state's first female prisoner to be executed in 70 years put to death by lethal injection. she was convicted of murder for convincing her murder to kill her husband douglas almost 20 years ago was pronounced >> kelly is a woman who made a tragic mistake and a tragic decision. she paid her dues for it. >> reporter: in the five-hour delay leading up to her execution, her three grown children pleading before georgia's parole board to commute their mother's sentence to life in prison. >> they're just beside themselves over this decision they made. >> reporter: the georgia u.s. supreme court, u.s. supreme court, federal appeals court denying all of her appeals. the effort to save her life reaching as far as the vatican. a letter on behalf of pope francis, asking them to exercise mercy.

g gissendaner's lawyers saying she sobbed, and went out singing "amazing grace" and this -- >> i asked if she had any messages to give her children. i said, i need a statement to give to each one of them. she said, it's easy. i love you. i love you. i love you. i am so proud of you. >> her co-conspirator, her former boyfriend, he had a separate trial, he was found guilty but sentenced to life with the possibility of parole. in fact, he could be paroled in as few as seven years. quite a difference. alis alisyn? >> that's part of why this case has aroused so much interest. let's bring in a friend of kelly

g gissendaner. reverend zap pashpa, i want to with you. what was it about kelly that inspired so many people to try to save her life? >> it's a lot of things. i think one is just her authenticity and the way she has taken her experiences, her experiences both of causing pain and experiencing pain, and tried to use those to help so many other people. >> what did she think about this disparity in the sentences? she conspired with her lover to kill her husband. it was her lover who delivered the fatal stab wounds. he did not get the death penalty. he got life in prison. as we just heard from our reporter, he's eligible for parole seven years from now. why did she get the death penalty? >> that's a big mystery and nobody really understands why

this turned out the way it did. she was offered life. her attorney at the time counselled her not to take it and here we are. that's something her lawyers have been trying to dispute, the disproportionality of the sentences. >> her children spoke out, trying to save her life. pope francis tried to save her life. what were her last 24 hours like? >> it's just been -- the whole experience has been a roller coaster. she's had -- she's constantly been preparing to die, but also hoping for clemency. she's been trying to stay strong for her children. in fact, one of the many tragedies of today was her children were supposed to be with her, but they were forced to choose between speaking with the board of pardon and paroles or being with kelly and they chose to plead for her life so she didn't get to be with them and get to say good-bye to them in person.

that was difficult. >> we can only imagine how difficult that is for them. let's bring in joey jackson. we don't mean to downplay the crime, there's a man dead here. but explain the disproportionate death sentence between what she received and the person who actually did the stabbings. >> good morning. there's a process and the process provides for a death penalty if it's a murder-for-hire case. prosecutors have a great deal of discretion. at the time, she was offered a plea deal. she declined that plea deal and opted to move forward. at the discretion of the prosecutor they sought the death penalty, put forward their case and it was compelling enough to get the case. certainly, one of the arguments is the disproportionality. the person who committed the stabbing in the neck and the back didn't get the death penalty because he cut a deal

with the prosecutor but she did. it was offered and what was offered to her, you don't move forward. as a result of that, you'll spend the rest of your life in jail. she declined that. we can argue that all day and night, but for georgia which provides for the death penalty, 31 states have it, 19 don't, and as a result, she's dead. >> why didn't she take that plea deal that would have spared her life? >> her attorney at the time counselled her not to. i think she put a lot of faith in that decision. it's absolutely true there's a process. the other part is board of pardon and paroles has the option to grant clemency. in the cases where they have granted clemency in the last 40 years it was because the sentence was disproportionate to the co-defendant. >> one other issue is rehabilitation. the system provide says, in all

types of criminal justice cases for punishment, deterrence. if we're going to have a system predicated upon a person who could better themselves, find christ and a redeemable quality which could be better for society, why not view that? the parole board opted not to. that's their discretion. >> isn't death row -- people on death row, we don't believe they're going to be rehabilitated. >> i think what reverend zappa would argue, the pope would argue and others would argue, there's always hope and always an opportunity if you have the commitment to move forward. certainly she got a theology degree. she, by all means, was assisting and ministering other people. the parole board has the right to say, you committed the crime. there are victims here. that person who died was savaged, his body eaten in the

woods, left for dead. we can't lose sight of that. the parole board said, she deserves and was given the death penalty. we're going to carry it out. >> do you believe she was a changed person? >> absolutely. absolutely. i didn't know her 18 years ago, but the person i know is not capable of that. kelly is so deeply remorseful at the same time of what she's done. her transition has been real. her kids will tell you that. the chaplain who's worked with her for 18 years will tell you that. >> did she ever explain to you why she did the crime to begin with? >> she's talked a lot about the kind of person she was at that time. she said she was selfish, lived a bit of a crazy lifestyle and didn't know how to love people like she does now. we haven't talked in detail about that. i do know she's deeply

remorseful -- was. >> we know you were a friend of hers. she became a friend to you over these past five years and we know you're feeling that loss this morning. joey, i just want to say the georgia supreme court, the chief of the georgia supreme court, pope francis, this woman's children, all appealed on her behalf to ask for her to get life instead of death. why wasn't the parole board more flexible on that? >> there's a couple ways to evaluate that. the system has to look at whether any legal errors were committed here. the fact is if the legal process carries itself out and a jury in its wisdom opted to give death then, of course, they have the skegs. why go against a jury's decision? that's one view.

the other is why have a clemency board if they're not going to consider compelling evidence, who have come to know you, who have come to find you have turned your life around. there are five members of that board. the majority has to vote. governor doesn't have discretion but he appoints that board to seven-year terms. they considered everything. they decided, look, you committed a heinous krirnlgs you were the impetus of it and as a result, you're paying the ultimate price. >> we appreciate you both being on with this this morning. fireworks on capitol hill for funding over planned parenthood. the president of the group's organization grilled for five hours. defiant richards called it true and offensive they profited from federal dollars. quite an emotional day on the

hill. >> it was. the line of questioning aimed at planned parenthood ranged from accusations around hosting pricey parties and over-the-top fund-raisers to providing abortion. >> the outrageous accusations lefltd against planned parenthood based on heavily drd videos are offensively and categorically untrue. >> reporter: on capitol hill tuesday -- >> do you defend the sale of baby body parts? >> no. >> reporter: gop members grilling planned parenthood president cecile richards for more than four hours for the company's use of $450 million annually of federal funding. >> you could have provided every single service to every single woman last year if you did not get a penny from the discretionary fund of united states congress. >> i disagree. >> reporter: at one point representatives slammed for their line of questioning.

>> the disrespect, trampant here's today tells us what's really going on here. >> you don't expect us to be because you're a woman. >> absolutely not. >> reporter: congressmen on both sides of the aisle fiercely defending their side. >> you're getting a ton of dough. >> we harp on a woman's right to make choices that are hers to make. >> reporter: richards was asked to explain the apology after this undercover video. it was first in a series produced by anti-abortion activists discussing the transfer of fetal tissues. >> which statements mp you apologizing for? >> i was apologizing for the -- what was said in a nonclinical setting, in a nonappropriate way. i don't believe -- >> you can't go go both ways. you can't say i'm apologizing

for statements in one video and then not tell us what those statements were. >> reporter: richards reacting to the hearing on msnbc tuesday night. >> they are obsessed with ending access to reproductive health care for women in america. >> reporter: some democrats at the hearing agreed. >> republicans are doubling down on their war against women. >> senate republicans' efforts to shut down the government over funding of planned parenthood failed. today house lawmakers will take up the issue to continue to fund the government. >> we'll take up the issue right here on "new day," thank you. we'll have more about this battle over planned parenthood funding. we'll speak to the organization's number two as well as u.s. congresswoman diane black who wants to defund planned parenthood. we'll talk to the activist who produced those controversial undercover videos. breaking news out of afghanistan.

thousands are fleeing kunduz this morning. afghan security forces are unable to take back the city despite u.s. air strikes and nato special forces. let's bring in cnn's nic robertson live with the very latest. people think, syria, iraq, they forget there's a war going on. >> reporter: the taliban has been getting stronger. the taliban were pushed back yesterday out of some places they had taken. taken the jail, released 600 people, taliban. the government took that back. by the end of the day, taliban retain that from the government. the government can't get enough reinforcement in. they have cut the highway to the south where reinforcement would come in from. u.n. worried because 600,000 people have fled the city. more than 100 civilians killed and injured.

afghan government says the taliban using civilians as human shields. the taliban state that's not true. the commander is still alive. it is a very confusing picture. the reality on the ground here is the afghan forces are struggling. they need the u.s. air support. most of the taliban casualties have come as a result of that. the taliban are not giving up easily. details of the casualties that are occurring right now on the ground, those specific details very hard to come by. alisyn? >> thanks for all of that. the united states pulling spies from china in an effort to protect their identities following that cyber attack on the u.s. office of personnel management which affected about 21 million government workers. the u.s. concerned chinese can tell u.s. intelligence, days after president obama met with china president to stop cyber

attacks. joaquin could pose a serious flood threat to city as long the east coast, which are already getting soaked. lots of rain from southern florida. meteorologist chad myers joining us. >> now we're saturating the ground with this rain. can you imagine another hurricane going over saturated ground with all the roots completely in mood. rain from new york city up to boston. the heaviest rain is new england. this is joaquin. this got significantly more important today than yesterday because now forecast to be a cat 2 hurricane. still drifting towards the bahamas. the american model taking it up and turning it toward north carolina but some other models not doing that. 110-mile-an-hour storm off the florida coast. so, what are the u.s. models

doing? turning it back to the left. turning it around to the backside and a trough that could drag it back towards new york city. what is the european model doing? taking it to the bahamas and sending it out to the ocean. does it go to bermuda or the u.s.? we don't know yet. we know the european model did very good with sandy five days out. we don't know what it will do now. things are completely different. we know whether joaquin hits the u.s. or not, there will be more flooding here because this isn't from joaquin. it's from a big low pressure center that will develop off the east coast not even affected by joaquin but it will make significant rainfall, could be 10 more inches of rain with or without joaquin. >> stay on it. we'll stay with you, my friend. , so the case against planned parenthood, very big hearing on capitol hill. republicans want to cut federal funds because of its lawful precuring of fetal tissue and

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by our opponents to entrap our doctors and clinicians into breaking the law and, once again, our opponents failed. >> we heard the accusations, we heard the answers. so, should planned parenthood be defunded? to discuss, ben ferguson, host of "the ben ferguson show," and maria. ben, take the prosecution, because that's really what this is. what's the best case to get rid of planned parenthood or defund it, in essence, and, maria, you respond. >> the fact they have people on camera selling baby parts is where i would start. i want to make this very clear. this is not about taking away a woman's right to choose. this if we defund planned parenthood, this does not change roe v. wade. those trying to fear monger saying, this takes away a woman's right to choose, it's not -- >> ben, ben, i have to stop you there. ben, hold on. >> no, no, let me finish. >> if you take away -- >> let me finish. >> go ahead.

>> let me finish. you have the same right if we defunded planned parenthood with my tax dollars. the point is this, you don't take a half a billion dollars of taxpayer funds to give to an organization that butchers babies to sell their parts and was caught on camera multiple times. you can say these videos were doctored. there are multiple videos that have been put out in full length that are not drd that blatantly show people in leadership roles at planned parenthood selling baby parts which has nothing to do with a woman's right to choose. it's very clear. >> maria, i want to give you the opportunity to respond here. what ben is saying is a fact is exactly what planned parenthood is saying is not a fact. they're trying to recoup their costs for something that's purely legal and that is donation of fetal tissue. maria, go. >> that's exactly right. i think the facts here matter, even though i know republicans

love to live in a fact-free zone. number one, planned parenthood is an organization nationwide that gives access to life-saving health care services to 2.7 million americans every single year. if you take away the funding from planned parenthood, that will go away and, yes, 3% of that goes to abortion services. and none of that is paid -- none of the abortion part, except for the ones that are allowed under the law is paid by taxpayer dollars. >> maria -- >> hang on. >> maria -- >> hang on. let me finish, ben. the part that the videos show, by the way, those videos have already been debunked by a forensic investigation, they were sliced, diced and spliced. >> they haven't been debunked. >> in today's digital world you can take videos to show whatever you want to show, and that's exactly what this organization did. >> ma radio yeah. >> by the way, this organization -- >> it's a great talking point. >> has taken away a woman's

right to choose for many, many years. bottom line is, it was legal -- >> let me -- >> maria, hold on. you made your point. >> what planned parenthood did was absolutely legal. >> let me say this. >> it was part of the services they provide. >> you made your point. >> chris -- >> they provide life-saving services to women. >> you can't run out the clock on this one. let's be clear. the idea they sliced these tapes, let's deal with that. >> it's not an idea. it's the truth. >> you cannot -- let me finish. you can say that all you want to and say there's a conspiracy. the fact is you have high executives at planned parenthood openly talking about performing abortions in a different ways to get the vital organs of babies to people that want to pay for them. you cannot deny that that was a conversation that happened in multiple locations around the country. it's an absolute lie to imply that this conversation did not

happen. this conversation happened. it happened on video. it happened with multiple people in multiple locations. and just because you put a press release out and you all go to this training to say, oh, well, they sliced and diced it, the video is -- >> hold on, guys. >> hold on, guys. >> they are in the business of selling baby parts. >> hold on. bottom line, as you know, they say they're not selling baby parts for a profit. that they are -- >> the videos say they do. >> well, sort of. i mean, the video -- >> of course -- >> hold on. they say between $30 and $100. this is hardly -- wait a second. hold on, maria. this is the bottom line. planned parenthood has one version of events and they say the videos are heavily doctored. the people who make the videos say there's no editing whatsoever. who will be the ultimate arbiter of this? who will tell us the truth whether or not there's editing?

they've each done their own investigations. maria? >> if you even talk to the people who put out this video, they will tell you that this is -- that this is something that they actually put together by slicing and dicing. >> no, they have not. >> at the end of the day -- ben, let me finish. at the end of the day, they were not able to prove that planned parenthood did anything illegal because, by the way, what they do do, and they are not paid for, is they do -- they take fetal tissue, which the women who are having these abortions sometimes by necessity are asking for the fetal tissue to be given to science for, gerngs life-saving research. the bottom line here is, though, this is -- >> let me ask you -- >> hang on a second. >> let me ask a question. >> let me finish. this is completely political. and i know that this is political crack for republican base, which will help whatever -- whoever is running to win the nomination.

but if you focus on this -- >> maria, let me say this. >> ben, ten seconds. >> it will be a political -- >> let me say this. >> hold on, maria. >> women support planned parenthood as majority -- >> maria, you havetogiveben a final -- go. >> this is the part that's shocking to me. the obsession with defending a group, i cannot imagine under any circumstance where a woman would look at her doctor at planned parenthood during or before an abortion, and ask them to perform that abortion in a different way to then be able to sell the baby parts of the child they're aborting. to imply that's a normal conversation shows just how perverted and sick planned parenthood actually is. because no woman says, crush the baby in a different way to save the organs to then sell them. >> ben, maria, guys -- >> this is -- >> this is a perfect illustration of why this is such a heated debate on capitol hill and beyond. we appreciate you both being on.

>> why i'm against these types of remote debates. i think they're a waste of time and unproductive. people don't move off their position. it's more moral than logical. we'll have the players on. that can be helpful to you. you have the man who made the videos, one of the main people at planned parenthood, we'll test their positions. people do not move on this issue. it doesn't happen. it's become very an analogous to guns in this country. has the u.s. shifted its position on syria? john kerry now calling russia's involvement in syria a possible opportunity for america. how can that be? you'll hear the secretary in his own words when "new day" continues. we have three chevy's here. alright. i want you to place this award on the podium next to the

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air strikes however does not allow for ground strikes. secretary of state now telling cnn the u.s. could actually benefit from moscow's involvement in syria. kerry's comments coming in an interview with elise, who joins us to explain. >> guys, i was surprised by the candor of this interview. clearly the u.s. was really caught flat-footed by the russian military buildup in syria. there's been a lot of talk about how they've now ceded the ground to russia and there are new fax on the ground. secretary kerry trying to acc t accentuate the positive, saying they want to work with russians. >> reporter: a lot of talk this week about president putin's actions in syria creating new realities on the ground. some have said that it's kind of boxed the u.s. into a corner a little bit.

is that true? >> i couldn't disagree more. i don't see how it boxes us in the least. in fact, i think it opens more options but makes life very difficult for president putin, because if he's going to side with assad and with iran and hezbollah, he's going to have a is he veers problem with the sunni countries in the region. that means he could even become a target for those sunni jihadis. this is very complicated for him. he needs to work something out. i think it's an opportunity, to be honest with you. i think it's an opportunity for us to force this question of how you actually resolve the question of syria. and the bottom line is, you cannot resolve it without including the sunni in a political solution, a political agreement ultimately, and that will mean that you're going to have to have some kind of transition, some kind of timing.

because as long as assad is,there you simply can't make peace. >> for years you've been saying assad should go. now you're saying -- >> no the argument -- >> -- choose a successor? >> we have not been saying -- we've said for the last year he needs to transition out over a period of time. we have not -- >> how long are you talking? >> let me finish the one talk. for a period of time, all of coalition were saying he had to leave immediately. that was the original statement way back when. we've changed that over a period of time. we said, no, that's not going to work. we need to have an orderly transition, a managed transition, so that you don't have a fearful retribution, loss of life, revenge. >> reporter: a vacuum? >> you don't have a vacuum, you don't have an implosion. all of these things. these are legitimate concerns. so, we concluded that it would be better and, perhaps, stand a better chance of reaching the mutual consent if it was done over a reasonable period of time

so that you have a strong sustaining of the delivery of, you know, whatever government services are left. there's not many, frankly. to hold the institutions themselves there, so you are something there to build on, unlike iraq years ago, where you can actually begin to put together government and a future for syria. >> so, the secretary at least clearly trying to spin russian involvement on the ground there as something positive, but that's got to complicate things for the u.s. >> well, it does because it creates a reality on the ground now that they can't do anything. even if they wanted to get rid of assad, they couldn't, because if you look at some of the weapons the russians are bringing in, it has nothing to do really with isis. it's really just about trying to prop up this syrian military. so, what they're trying to do is harness that into a way to work against isis. clearly, this makes it impossible for the u.s. to go against anything russia wants. russia wants to keep them there.

>> defense of the u.s. and secretary kerry, it's complicated. when we interviewed president obama about the red line, i was very aggressive with him. he was telling me, slow down. we don't know what the assad did here, the regime. four days later there was the bombing, and then pointed out, your days are number. this is complex. they have to find a way forward. making the case is also part of this. this is a tricky one. >> also, it's one thing to say assad should stay, but if you don't get the opposition to go along on the ground and stop fighting, it's not going to work at all. and the anti-assad crowd, you have saudi arabia, turk y qatar, a lot of these countries don't want to keep assad. that's really what secretary kerry is trying to do this week, get everybody on the same page. >> global affairs correspondent, elise, good to see you. donald trump is back on fox news. couldn't stay away from the mothership. it wasn't all kissing and making up on o'reilly. we'll show you ahead.

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>> same thing -- i didn't mind -- he was calling him a clown. that's not presidential. >> well, donald trump ending his fox news boycott. last night he went on o'reilly, who challenged him there about calling his rival marco rubio a clown. will donald trump make a tone shift now? cnn political commentator and washington correspondent for "the new yorker" ryan liz joins us and political correspondent for "gq" jason. you couldn't see chris' facial expression, which spoke a thousand words. jason, let me start with you. will we see trump temper his tone? >> i would say no. i think that's unlikely to happen. i don't really know what he has if he tempers his tone. what is he going to say if he's not outlandish? is he going to offer his policy proposals or geopolitical insights? i think his entire candidacy has been based on that tone and it's

working for him. >> why? i'm smiling because it's a rhetorical question, at best. ryan, he has tapped into people's disgust with the process. he's become a face of their discontent. is there a downside to that? obviously there is, especially among us. we don't like how he is. doesn't mean his base doesn't. what is a man to do? >> look, if he's really serious about winning the republican nomination, he has to enter some phase here where he actually does the work that is necessary to win it. i mean, he can't just show up on television every day and insult republican candidates and insult people in the media. >> ryan, he's -- he is putting out more substantive things. >> that's exactly what i was going to say. look, the most boring interview he's done so far, and i say that as a compliment, is the one he did yesterday with cnn where he just sat down and talked about his tax plan. he talked about it in a fairly knowledgeable way.

and i think there has to be that side of his candidacy if he's going to be taken seriously by people in the republican party who are deathly afraid of him and will do everything they possibly can to make sure he doesn't win the nomination. >> jason, there's another question. not only will he temp his tone, but is he setting the tone for the republicans right now? so, let me play for you what marco rubio said about donald trump last night. >> it's very clear. he's a very insecure person. he doesn't like to be criticized. presidency is a tough job. you are going to be criticized. you can't flip out every time somebody says something about him. he does. he got bood a stage. he had have i few people show up to an event he gave. just today tom brady said he's not endorsing donald trump despite these reports. so, he's very sensitive guy. that's fine. that's his problem. >> jason, is that a winning strategy for marco rubio to take

the gloves off and go after trump like that? >> i think it's an interesting attack from rubio. it seems like it's designed to get under trump's skin, saying he's insecure, mentioning tom brady. he wants to drive trump to madness. rubio has to be careful, they all have to be careful. they don't want to turn this into a circus side show -- >> that's the problem. why is marco rubio talking about donald trump? he doesn't want to talk about donald trump. he gets asked about him incessantly. if he doesn't answer, he looks weak and the media comes after him why he doesn't talk about trump. he's forced to do it. governor kasich says, i don't want to talk about trump. he can't get on tv as a result. we're getting into a little chicken and the egg situation with donald trump, aren't we? >> i think you nailed it, chicken and egg, catch-22. he's candidates, you don't want to risk being rick perry and scott walker who, you know, perry arguably got into a fight with trump and it led to his

demise. walker ignored trump, was ignored by the media. his polls sank. and he disappeared from the scene. i think all these candidates are trying to figure out, you know, trump is like this giant, blaring sun in the campaign that they all have to navigate around. and if you want to get on tv, if you want to be part of the conflict of day-to-day politics, that means talking about trump in some way. >> jason, the point is, the francis effect. pope francis came. there is an opportunity to change tone. there's an opportunity to be different than donald trump, and then compete on that basis with voters. that's the question. do you think too many of them were trying to play the same game as donald trump? he is certainly the master. >> yeah, i think they can get caught playing that game. i think what ryan said is right. you are kind of in this impossible situation. if you don't talk about him, you get ignored. i think rubio is -- look, we've obviously been talking about trump for the last five minutes. rubio has been steady in terms of keeping his head down, moving

along. occasionally he'll get drawn into the trump stuff but that's in response to questions. he's not on twitter line jeb bush trolling trump. rubio has been pretty good about it. i think the tone he set is actually working for him and i wonder if more candidates might try to follow that path. >> we will watch with great interest this week what happens on the campaign trail. ryan, jason, thanks so much. donald trump will talk to cnn's don lemon tonight. tune in 10:00 p.m. eastern. cnn/facebook, first democratic debate, october 13th, 9:00 p.m. in vegas. >> where was that? >> vegas. bill clinton says the trump campaign is fact-free. ahead, you'll see how the former president responds in a cnn interview to trump calling hillary clinton the worst secretary of state ever. ♪

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former president bill clinton speaking candidly with cnn. in an interview with erin burnett he takes on critics like donald trump and tackles the all-elusive question, will he be a huge force in hillary's campaign? take a listen. >> reporter: you say you can't insult your way to the white house. you say donald trump could be the nominee. have i to play this for you. this is something he said in the interview yesterday about your wife and i want to play it for you and get your reaction. here's donald trump in my interview yesterday. >> i always respected him. i actually liked him over the years. but when we look at what's going on in the world, when we look at the job that hillary did as secretary of state, she goes down as perhaps the worst secretary of state in history. when i run against her evenly in the polls, i'm doing very well against hillary and beating her. erin, if you look throughout the world during her reign and the

reign of obama, the whole world is blowing up. we've lost our friendships. we've lost everything. >> well, the thing about branding is, you don't have to be -- you can be fact-free. and i think -- [ applause ] so even the republicans admit that the sanctions on iran were well done. and that it was a major achievement to get russia and china to agree to sign off on these sanctions and to enforce them. she did that. that's what made the talks possible. so, even people that don't like the iran deals like sanctions. there will be someone on the other side of the debate, if he becomes the nominee, he'll have to hone his criticisms a little more finely because the facts will be easy to marshal.

but, you know, he's good at this. that's what he does. >> you know, voters recently asked by quinnipiac to say the first three words they think about her. honest, liar, untrustworthy. why is that? >> come on, erin. i've answered these questions for three days. i'm not here to practice politics. if i were sitting in your chair and you were sitting here, and you wanted to run for office, and i had four or five months to make sure nothing but the opposition's negative claims on you were run, and i presumed your guilt with every question and i beat up on you, do you think i could run your favorables down? >> yeah. >> look, i trust the american people, they are innately fair but they have to have more disclosure. she wants her e-mails released.

the state department and the intelligence agencies are arguing about whether any of them should be retro actively classified. that will play out however it does. but she's the only secretary of state in history that ever said, just release them all, all my work-related e-mails. and so far, as i said, you get the record out, i think she looks great. >> the question is, how much of a force will you be in this campaign? we haven't seen a lot of you. you're out here today, and i will say, you just gave the most succint and clear for secretary of state that i've heard. [ applause ] >> well, first of all, it is true that i have done markedly less to this point than i did eight years ago when she ran. eight years ago i did a lot by now of what i've only done two

things. i did some of the fund-raising events so she would be free to go out and campaign. i couldn't do more because this year we had foundation trips through africa and still one to finish to latin america and so my foundation life was full. and so now when this is behind us, i'll be able to do more about this. it's not going to change my profile. it gives me a chance to talk to her supporters and tell them what i think they should know and answer their questions and freeze her up to campaign more. i have no idea what else i'll do. >> it sounds like we are going to see more of bill out there. >> sounds like it. >> it's about the capacity, the role and the ratio, right? he can be a distraction. he can also be a help. this is his wife who's running. it's not him. they are different people. they see things differently. that's relevant. but at the same time, when you're dealing with donald

trump, if there's anybody -- >> any secret weapon who would go toe to toe with donald trump and win, it would be bill clinton. whether you like his positions or not, this man makes a good case. >> when he's disimpassioned and amused when he talks about donald trump, he doesn't engage. he says, when you have a master brander -- >> that's his genius. >> interesting. >> all right, we are following a whole lot of news this morning on a wednesday, so let's get right to it. >> why do you need federal dollars? you're making a ton of dough. >> you don't expect us to be easy on you because you're a woman. >> the accusations against planned parenthood, on heavily doctored videos are categorically untrue. the state of georgia has killed the only woman on death row. >> the first woman executed in

that state in 70 years. >> nobody understands why in turn out the way it did. >> how could anyone in my party think this clown is fit to be president. >> when they see i want to make america great again, they say, you know, we really like him. this is "new day." good morning. welcome back to your "new day," the fight over defunding planned parenthood heating up this morning after a fiery day on capitol hill. >> the head of planned parenthood did go to capitol hill and she insists the videos produced by opponents, as she calls them, were doctored and outrageous and the allegations are categorically untrue. she's calling her critics obsessed. suzanne malveaux live from washington. niece are all characterizations. what is the context and content? what was revealed in the hearings that's helpful in

understanding this? >> reporter: this was a standoff many republicans were waiting for. what we heard was a line of questions aimed at planned parenthood around accusations of hosting pricey parties, the top fund-raisers to, of course, providing abortion. >> the outrageous aaccusations leveled against planned parenthood based on heavily doctor the videos are offensive and categorically untrue. >> reporter: in an emotional and fiery hearing on capitol hill tuesday -- >> do you defend the sale of baby body parts? >> no. >> reporter: -- gop members grilling planned parenthood president richards for more than four hours over the company's use of roughly $450 million annually in federal funding. >> you could have provided every single service that you did to every single woman last year if you did not get a penny from the discretionary fund from the united states congress. >> well, i actually disagree. >> reporter: at one point, republican representatives slammed for their line of questioning.

>> the disrespect, rampant here today, tells us what is really going on here. >> surely you don't expect us to be easier on you because you're a woman. >> absolutely not. that's not how my momma raised me. >> reporter: congresswomen on both sides of the aisle fiercely advocating their positions. >> why do you need federal dollars? you make a ton of dough. >> we harp on a woman's right to make choices that are hers to make. >> reporter: richards then asked to explain the apology she issued after this undercover video surfaced in july. it was the first in a series produced by anti-abortion activists, discussing the transfer of fetal tissue with planned parenthood employees. >> which statements were you apologizing for? >> i was apologizing for the -- what was said in a nonclinical setting, in a nonappropriate way. and i don't believe -- and i

don't believe -- >> you can't have it both ways. you can't say i'm apologizing for statements in one video and then not tell us what those statements were. >> reporter: richards reacting to the hearing on msnbc tuesday night. >> they're obsessed with ending reproductive access to women. >> reporter: some democrats at the hearing agreed. >> republicans are doubling down on their war against women. >> reporter: senate republicans' efforts to shut down the government over the federal funding of planned parenthood failed. today house lawmakers need to take up the issue as part of a vote to continue to fund the government, chris. >> thank you very much. we have executive vice president of planned parenthood, dawn legans joining us. >> hi, chris. good morning. >> what about those in the video saying saying things certainly objectionable and not helpful to the planned parenthood cause. >> those are actually -- the people in those videos are amazing and compassionate,

wonderful doctors and staff of planned parenthood. and what happened is that they were trapped by undercover anti-abortion activists. what they actually said was left on the cutting room floor. planned parenthood does this because women ask for it. we do it in very few places where we're able to allow women to make fetal tissue donation, and we're very proud of that work. and like cecile richards said yesterday, what she apologized for was that those were clinical comments in a nonclinical, nonconfidential setting and we talked to those doctors about that. >> one of the problems you have is optics and perception. this is about abortion on a loornlger level. this explanation of what these people say on the videotape is arguably inaccurate and unhelpful to you. had they talk about the lamborghini, making money, it's offensive, period, let alone to those who see abortion as a

deeply moral issue. instead of saying, they're out of line, we'll deal with them and this is wrong in how they said and how they said it. don't say it's in a nonclinical setting. that's not helpful. >> terrible optics was five hours of haranging and grilling cecile richards yesterday and not letting her get a word in edgewise where she was explaining very clearly what planned parenthood does, who planned parenthood serves and why planned parenthood is so important to the women, men and families of this country. what i thought we saw yesterday from the republican majority was evidence they don't understand women. they certainly don't understand women's health. they certainly don't understand the very programs they oversee, like medicaid. >> i understand what you're saying. and you can certainly suggest that that was not a fair hearing yesterday. i don't think anybody expected it to be. certainly your organization didn't. this was about defending yourself against allegations. what i'm saying is if you had

said, if your organization had done something to take people to task for speaking this way about something that is so emotional and religious to a lot of people, it would have helped your cause. you know, i've asked that question, you answered it. >> the issue, chris -- i'm happy to say, but the issue is, we know those videotapes were extremely doctored. people edited them -- >> they're their words. >> one question to another question. they left all kinds of things on the cutting room floor. those are not fair representations of planned parenthood or of the work we do or of the 1% of our affiliates and health centers that even able to offer tissue donation which, again, is what women ask for and do of their own accord. >> two issues that have to do with the money. one is, are you able to show that what you do with fetal tissue research in terms of the harvesting, procurement and

recouping of money and expenses is net to neutral? can you show that and can you show that the federal dollars that you are given do not go to abortions? the two big charges are, you profit and you commingle. can you prove that those are untrue? if not, why wasn't it done at the hearing yesterday? >> well, i think, cecile richards did a great job of showing no federal funds go to abortion except in terms of three narrow exceptions -- rape, incest and the life or health of the mother. >> she said it. i'm saying, could you have proved it. i don't mean to interpret you but it's a point of clarification. she certainly said it, right. she did not prove it. you know what i'm saying? sometimes it's hard to prove the nonexistence of a fact but is there anything you can do to help -- >> i think what you said. we are heavily regulated. we get state and federal medicaid funds primarily that are reimbursement for service. we get looked at and talked to and provide all of the

documents, thousands and thousands of pages of documents -- to the congressional committee, which they clearly had not read, so they would have had the evidence they need to see exactly how planned parenthood operates f they had bothered to look. >> what happens if planned parenthood is not funded by the federal government? >> millions of people are denied the choice that they make every year to see the health care provider they believe can do the best for them and the congressional budget office said, over 400,000, i believe, women in this country would not actually have access to care because in many places, we are the only option that they have. >> the push on that is, oh, there are lots of clinics, lots of places that this -- they can get -- women can get health treatment. by the way, you make a lot of money. you can keep on doing exactly what you do now. you don't need this government's money. >> well, absolutely untrue on the last fact.

planned parenthood is actually a nonprofit organization. and we could not provide the services, the health care services, just like a hospital or any other doctor without those federal funds that reimburse preventive health care services. on the other matter, though, just saying there are a lot of clinics in the world doesn't mean that they do great care, that they're in the right location or they can aabsorb the planned parenthood patients. finally, i think it is so insulting to say that poor women in this country, especially, should not get to choose their own doctor, but the members of the republican majority in congress think they get to pick for women. that's outrageous. >> the reason that we have to test you on the points that matter is because this is an issue that has been very clouded with politics and the overlay of how people feel about abortion that is often not

fact-sensitive. people either believe in choice or they don't. i got to put the questions to you because the only way we have the conversation. thank you for coming on "new day," appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. coming up, we'll test the other side, republican congresswoman diane black who sponsored the bill to defund planned parenthood, and also we'll have david on, the man who did the undercover videos. how doctored are they, why is he really doing this? alisyn? meanwhile, republicans in the house preparing for the post-john boehner era, the search for new leadership and new message. now under way, manu is live in washington with more. what is the latest? >> kevin mccarthy is really trying to differentiate himself from john boehner largely because a lot of conservatives are skeptical of boehner's leadership style, and one of the reasons why he was actually forced to leave the speakership because there was a vote expected on the house floor that would have put a lot of his colleagues in a tough spot. so, what kevin mccarthy is

trying to do is emphasize how his style is a lot different than john boehner's. he continued to make that case last night. >> what you're going to see is a conservative speech that takes a conservative congress that puts a strategy to fight and win. i don't speak ill of any republican because every republican should have a voice here. that's going to be the fundamental difference. i believe in the bottom-up strategy. >> yeah. that strategy is something the republicans were talking about behind closed doors yesterday for their first extended discussion about the way guard for their leadership team, but mccarthy right now seems to have enough support to become house speaker. there is a larger, more significant, more contentious fight, i should say, heating up for the number two spot under kevin mccarthy. that is for position of majority leader. there are two men vying for that spot. steve scalise of louisiana and tom price of georgia.

there was an effort yesterday by conservatives to recruit another man, trey gowdy of south carolina, eventually passed on that position. so, that fight is very significant, too, because those people will have a huge say in determining the direction of the republican conference and how combative they'll be, not just with the white house, but with the senate, too, particularly as we head into a very, very contentious session this fall dealing with a major, major fiscal battles in which republicans in the white house will need to reach some sort of resolution to avoid yet another fiscal crisis. back to you guys. >> manu, we'll be talking to you in the coming days and weeks. a series of appeals were not enough to stop the execution of the only woman on death row. kelly gissendaner, the first woman executed in the state of georgia in seven decades. martin savidge joins us with all

the details. >> good morning. she was executed, or scheduled to be executed at 7:00 eastern time last night. that hour came and went with no announcement from officials. now we learn why. there was a desperate effort being undertaken by her legal team. this is a breakdown of some of what they were trying to do. they went to a federal judge the day before, got denied. georgia board after peels, didn't get clemency. went to 11th circuit court of appeals, that didn't work. went to the georgia supreme court, that didn't work. we are told they went to u.s. supreme court as many as three times. eventually just after midnight, time and hope ran out. she was, in fact, put to death. protesters were there as were members of her family who spoke. >> we just want to thank y'all so much. we were not able to see our mom today because the boards of pardons and paroles made us make

a choice to either try and come and save her life today or see her. we chose to try to save her life and they still denied us. >> now, we need to point out that, of course, she was tried and convicted for the 1997 murder of her husband, but where there was controversy is the fact that her co-conspirator, her boyfriend at that time, the one who actually killed the man, he got life with the possibility of parole. she, for planning and, of course, supporting that murder, got death. she turned her life around in prison. justice in the minds of at least the parents of the victim was carried out properly. back to you. >> martin, thank you very much. we have breaking news this morning. thousands are fleeing the northern afghanistan city of kunduz overnight. afghan forces failed to push back the taliban despite help from the u.s. and nature toe. those taliban fighters are fanning out across the region, shutting down roads, torching

government buildings and there are plans to fight back. let's take you to the state of play with barbara starr live in washington with more. we don't talk about afghanistan a lot. doesn't mean there isn't an ongoing war there. what's the latest? >> this is the war president obama has believed is largely wrapped up. the taliban casting a dissenting vote. they're on the move in kunduz in northern afghanistan. their biggest victory, the taliban, since 2001, to be able to take this city. now there are reports, more than 6,000 afghan civilians on the run from the city, more than 100 injured and killed as the taliban continue to dig in, dig into civilian areas, which makes it very tough. afghan forces trying to get them out of there, but now there has been a second u.s. air strike. this time near the airport. we are told this is because coalition forces that are in the area, you can read that to mean some u.s. capability, they were

coming under threat from the taliban. so, again, for the second day in a row, a u.s. warplane had to roll in, drop bombs near the airport to push the taliban back from that position to keep coalition forces safe. this is turning into, perhaps, a more difficult situation than the afghans or the u.s. had expected. not clear at all when the taliban will finally be out of there. alisyn? >> bash remarthanks for your re that. clerk kim davis said she moat meth with pope francis when he was in the u.s. supposedly the meeting lasted ten minutes. there are no photos. the pope thaked her for her courage, told her to stay strong. the vatican will not confirm or deny davis' meeting. >> did they take photos? >> no. >> interesting. >> what does that mean? >> you have to take her at her

word, she met with the pope. there's no photographic evidence. >> it's her legal team saying it, right? so what's their motivation to lying? it will be found out. eventually somebody from the vatican -- czink the motivation is obvious, no. >> why set yourself up for that disappointment? first of all, why would the pope meet with kim davis? for all the tolerance he talked about, he's head of the catholic church, and he said he believes in the ability to conscientiously object to that which offends your faith. >> good point. >> the leader of the republican pack and now future seer. he says rand paul will be the next candidate to drop out of the race. we'll put that proposition to our political panel. see if they agree with him. .

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prediction or even rand paul saying, i'm not going anywhere? let's talk with our cnn political commentator van jones and margaret hoover. great to have both of you here. margaret, rand paul was on "new day" and he said, it's absurd to think he's dropping out of the race. locally he's doing better than in national polls. and then what happened within the next 24 hours is his super pac said they are -- one of his super pacs that l said they're giving up. they're not going to fund raise anymore for them. the heed of the super pac says, i'm done fund-raising for him. i wasn't going to spend money on a futile crusade. don't see the point in it right now. >> the founder of that purplepac, which helped found the cato institute.

they think rand paul has not -- the lack of wanting to engage internationally -- >> hasn't he done that? >> they felt he could have done it more so they can't raise money. we know all dollars are not equal in this contest. superpac money can't be used to pay campaign staffers to travel to events. the money most important to look at with rand paul is the money reported at the end of the day today, september 30th, which is the end of the fund-raising quarter. he raised $7 million last quarter. will he raise a commensurate amount this quarter? >> do you think people are getting psyched out by trump? >> here's the other thing -- >> i didn't ask the question yet. >> the only way to keep a candidate in the race is to have another candidate say he's about to drop out. do you think anyone is going to step out because donald trump says they're going to? >> maybe he knows something we don't. you've had some people leave the race, somewhat early. why not if the conventional wisdom is true in your party,

which is trump won't make it, carson won't make it, why not hold on because the race changes fundamentally if he drops out? >> the reason trump is on the offensive is because that's the only thing that got him in front in the first place and his numbers are falling. that's why he's going after rand. >> what do you make of all this? >> he's loving it. >> from a democratic point of view, it is amusing. let's call balls and strikes fairly here. let's not forget, rand paul's father stayed in when he ran for president, when he had not a penny to his name because he was fueled by the power of his ideas. the reason you have such an intense conflict between these two guys, rand paul sees himself as a serious intellectual. he has serious ideas. he's willing to go against his party sometimes when he thinks his party is wrong based on principle. as best we can tell, donald trump has no principle except being donald trump. so, it's a perfect clash between

these two very different types of leaders. the idea that rand paul or anyone named paul is going to do anything based on what some super pac says or some donor says. this is not that kind of family. they believe what they believe. they say what they say. but they are serious and they hate, they hate the fact that donald trump is so unserious and is doing so well. >> rand paul has also gone after other members in his party, namely ted cruz. let me play for you what he has just said about ted cruz's, basically, kamikaze tactics. >> ted has chosen to make this personal and call people dishonest in leadership and call them names, which goes against the derocorum and rules of the senate. he's pretty much done for and stifled. it's because of personal relationships or lack of personal relationships. it is a problem. >> has ted cruz been stifled?

>> ted cruz -- rand paul is not wrong there. if you talk to any number of -- just talk to anyone on the hill or who works on the hill or knows anything about the senate, i've not heard many positive things said about ted cruz by staff or other senators. he -- the senate is, for all of the chumminess that is mocked by the outside, a collegial body where people have to work together. if you go against that decorum, you limit yourself. ted cruz lit himself on fire and has inadequately -- >> you campaign in poetry, govern in prose. van, here's your challenge. bill clinton is so eloquent, he is so good at making the case. he's probably the person you want making the case for hillary the least, so what do you do with this incredibly effective

political animal that you really kind of don't want to overshadow in your candidate. what do you do here? >> i'll tell you what to do. let the big dog bark. i completely -- >> bring it on. >> let the big dog bark. listen, bill clinton is not only going to overshadow hillary clinton. bill clinton would overhad dough elvis presley, the beetles, bono all together. he is a star's star. he makes news when he exhales. let him get out there and make the case. >> bring it on. >> you have a thing for bill clinton. >> the secretary explaining stuff is because he does it so well. let him get out there. >> why do you say bring it on? >> i say bring it on -- >> because she loves bill clinton. >> -- for all the reasons donald

trump -- >> you meant to say that. >> no. bill clinton saved the democratic convention in 2012, the explainer in chief. we also know the obama kcampaig had the hook to pull him off the stage as quickly as possible. for all the goods bill clinton brings, he brings in equal, if not more negative numbers especially in the context of hillary presidency. he got her in trouble so many times in 2008. >> but for the primary -- >> that's also how you know the clinton campaign knows they're in trouble. their numbers are slipping. they have kept him totally off center stage. they're worried about her numbers if they're resorting to bill clinton this early. >> margaret, van. >> look, she's right. this is the time to bring out the big guns. why? because the big guns have been pointed at hillary clinton for months now and there needs to be a full force response from her su

surrogates. she just happens to have one of the best surrogates in the history of american politics. >> now we're done. thanks, guys. meanwhile, donald trump will talk to don lemon on cnn tonight. tune in at 10:00 p.m. eastern. mark your calendar, cnn and facebook will host the first democratic debate, october 13th, 9:00 p.m. >> a tuesday in vegas, i love it. quite a showdown over planned parenthood on capitol hill. the group's president getting grilled by republican critics out to defund planned parenthood. we'll speak to the woman in congress leading that charge next.

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after exhausting all appeals and despite a plea from the pope, a georgia woman was executed overnight for the 1997 murder of her husband. kelly gissendaner was put to death after the georgia supreme court and u.s. supreme court refused to step in. witnesses say that she sang "amazing grace" in her final moments. she's the first woman executed in georgia in 70 years. the u.s. has done nothing to

prevent americans from joining isis, according to a new bipartisan report. it also says there is no plan to prevent those americans from returning stateside once they have been radicalized by isis. 7,000 foreign fighters joined isis over the past nine months. more than 250 of them americans. the palestinian flag set to be raised at the u.n. for the first time today. palestinian president mahmoud abbas and u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon will preside over a ceremony this afternoon. abbas calling the historic event a beacon of hope in trying to achieve independent station. fashion icon ralph lauren stepping down as ceo of the company that bears his name. he turns 76 next month. the company announced that this man, stefan larson -- i don't think we have a picture of him -- former president of old navy will take over in november. ralph lauren says he will stay on as executive chairman and chief creative officer. he expects his relationship with

the new ceo to be a partnership. chris? a new profile of donald trump and it's pulling no punches. if mario cuomo said, a politician campaign in poetry and governs in prose, we can shove that notion aside in the case of donald trump. he campaigns in poetry in much the same way a wild hog sips chardonnay. you quoted my pop. i don't know if he would have agreed to donald trump in the context you did it, but what's your main point? can't you read, mark, he's at the top of all the polls? >> i think the going -- i think what do the headlines say, donald trump is not going anywhere. you can look at it as he's not going anywhere, or he's not going anywhere and here to stay. because we're so clever at "the new york times" magazine, we did that to readers to impose their own views on whatever that

means. >> now, what's your take on it. you avoided writing about him. tell us why. tell us why you think it's now important to do it and what do you think the future holds? >> well, i avoided writing about him because i didn't think he was serious, both in my business and out of my business, i thought, one, he wasn't going to do this. he flirted with this notion for many, many campaign cycles now. i thought it was a publicity play for him. and then even when he announced, i thought that he was touching a lot of third rails, going after undocumented immigrants and wounded veterans and so forth. or p.o.w.s and so forth, this wasn't going to end well or end quickly. eventually, look, you just have to, you know, see where these things are going. and he was clearly getting a lot of traction very quickly and it became impossible to ignore. as a journalist, you have to go where the story is. he's been the story for almost three solid months. >> why is he slipping in the polls?

his team will debate that, by the way. they'll say he's holding, not slipping. if the numbers are what they appear to be, and there is attrition, do you think it's a francis effect? do you think it's the wash of the second debate where everyone seemed to raise their game? what do you think it is? >> i think it's gravity in some ways. in some ways it's impossible for him to sustain the momentum he was. i think he would even say the race to time. again, he's still in the lead in virtually every poll. i think it will be more interesting is if this continues and he actually has to campaign from behind a little bit. and, you know, he can seem a bit reckless in going after gratuitously his fellow candidates. it will be interesting when he needs to do this to take the lead and regain momentum. >> another choice is the media likes to build you up to tear you down. his tone catapulted him but now it seems he's getting it from all quarters. even fox saying he shouldn't be saying the things he's saying.

what does that mean in terms of going forward? >> first of all, the fact he has so many enemies and taken on so many sacred cows. certainly, fox news and the republican party is not someone anyone has gone after if they're running for office nationally. is frankly exhilarating. this is someone who has absolutely no interest in catering to the money interests, to the donors, to the lobbyists, to wall street, to the rules of political correctness. within the republican party, especially, you know, especially around an issue like immigration, this is an incredibly thrilling and refreshing thing to see. in some ways i think he's been very deftly -- very deft in turning around these fights he's picked and sort of used it as a badge of honor he's going after these people who have gotten into the status quo situation that created him. >> what do you make of this new piece where his wife is talking for the first time? she's been intentionally

contempt out of the fray. she's saying, i'm going to pick my spots, i'm going to go forward. what's your take on that? >> i think -- i just saw the cover now. at home with the trumps on "people" magazine, which for some -- >> coming to a tv screen near you soon. >> it actually makes me chuckle for some reason. at home with the trumps. seems like another reality series. this is not melania trump's show. i think she'll pick her spots but, frankly, the spouses of the candidates except for bill clinton have not been part of this campaign at all. again, i don't think she's going to be a big part of what we see going forward but i think this is probably part of an ongoing effort and more of a sign that trump is really here to stay. when you get the "people" magazine cover and the wife talking, it's usually a signal that you're somebody now for real. >> when i come to you to talk turkey near the end of november, pun intended, what do you think you'll be saying about donald trump? will he be in the race?

where will he be? >> the great thing about donald trump is that -- have i no idea. no one has no idea. i asked him repeatedly in all the time we spent together, i said, mr. trump, where does this end? he would say, i have no idea. he would pepper it with a profanity or two. and, you know, at one point we were standing on one of his golf courses in southern california before the second debate. he said, i have no idea and it was sunset and we were palace verdis, he said, i have no idea but it's beautiful. i thought that was aladistillatn of him. >> the artist coming out of you. the sun and the trump and the beautiful, i love it. >> all unintentional. thanks, guys. >> always intentional. thank you, sir. what do you think? did you see the piece? read it and tweet us.

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the outrageous accusations leveled against planned parenthood, based on heavily doctored videos are offensive and categorically untrue. it is unacceptable that in the 21st century women in america are routinely harassed for accessing a legal medical procedure. >> well, that was the head of planned parenthood pushing back against republican critics during a contentious hearing on capitol hill. joining us is one of those on capitol hill leading that argume argument, congresswoman diane black. thanks for being on "new day." what's frustrating about that hearing and watching it today, those arguments go around and around. planned parenthood says these videos are heavily doctored and

edited. you say they're not. when will the congressional investigation into what happened here be complete? >> there are three different committees that have jurisdiction over this issue. yesterday was really about funding. that was the purpose of that particular hearing yesterday. of course, judiciary will be having their hearing as well as energy and commerce. you will hear more about the different parts of this as time goes on. i think judiciary is looking at these films and what happened in these films, whether they are illegal activities, from the films that are out there. and there are unedited films. if people want to see that, they can do that. what ms. richards was talking about in the forensic analysis that was done by the agency that they hired, which, by the way, is a democratic polling agency or democratic -- >> sure. everyone is hiring their own sort of self-interested agency to look at it. we need a neutral agency to see what happened and what should be done, if anything. you know -- >> that's correct, alisyn.

that's what coalfire is. it is not affiliated with any political party. it's a well-known forensic company. >> sorry to interrupt you, coalfire, the company you're referring to, it was funded in part by the alliance-defending freedom, and they're a conservative christian nonprofit. i don't want to get too far in the weeds because the investigation congressional hasn't been done yet. let me put up a poll for you. a recent u.s. towed po"usa toda. should all federal funding of planned parenthood be cut off? only 29% say yes, 65% say no. furthermore "usa today's" poll went on and asked, if the government is shut down over planned parenthood being defunded, whom would you blame? president obama, 11%.

congressional democrats, 10%. congressional republicans, 43%. it seems as the public as a whole is not with your mission here. >> a couple things, alisyn. one thing is, i don't want to shut down the government and neither do many of our colleagues. we want to shut down illegal activity at planned parenthood. the second thing is the american people have still not seen these films. we find only about 15% of them have actually looked at the films. i encourage people to go out and look at them. another poll i can point to where people did see these films and prior to seeing them, they may have had the opinion that you have, or that you cite in this poll. after seeing them, we see this number go way up that more than 50% of the people say no, you should withhold the funds until the investigation is done. i want people to take a look at these films. the third thing i want to be sure i get here is that in my own bill it says if planned parenthood decides they're going to suspend abortions, they'll

still get money for their other services. as ms. richards said yesterday, only 3% are aboerss. why not suspend those and do their motion, affordable health care for women. she has that choice. she can do that. >> the problem is, is if women can't go to planned parenthood anymore for abortions, abortion doesn't go away. unwanted pregnancies don't go away. what goes away is access to safe, legal abortions. as we know from countries that don't allow abortion, women still resort to abortion, but they do so in a more desperate way. is that what you want for american women? >> alisyn, look, abortions are legal and there are abortion providers around. we're talking about planned parenthood and their possible and what i feel looking at those films as a nurse for more than 40 years, activities that are very close to the line of being illegal. and we cannot allow that to happen here in this country.

look, it is our responsibility as congressional members to investigate and look into what happens, especially when taxpayer dollars are given to an organization. >> sure, that's your prerogative and you want an investigation. but you're trying to defund them before the investigation is complete. one more element, many of the private health care clinics you and other republicans say, why don't women go to these private health care clinics. in fact, they don't take medicare, many of them. poor women would not be able to get services, certainly abortion services. half of the planned parenthood patients, this is interesting, are on medicaid -- >> alisyn, i have to interrupt you because that is not so. for every one planned parenthood clinic there are community health care centers that do take medicaid, required to take medicaid if they receive federal dollars. for every one planned parenthood clinic, there are 20 qualified health care clinics around this country. >> yes. according to -- >> so, that's not true. >> there's another detail about those clinics. you're talking about the public

clinics. >> that's right. i'm talking about community health care centers. >> that's fine. i was talking about the private clinics that sometimes lawmakers say that women should go to. but about yours, the public clinics you talk to in those numbers, according to the hhs, most of them do not have a certified og/gyn on staff. are you comfortable with women going to these for reproductive services and birth control without being able to see an ob/gyn? >> let me tell you what i am comfortable with. back in 2009 when i was a state senator in tennessee, we defunded planned parenthood. and we were able to take care of everyone in that state. as a matter of fact, we only have four planned parenthood clinics in our state. we have over 280 federally community health qualified centers. i know it can be done. it was done in our state. it's been done in other states as well. i will tell you, there is care

out there for these women. we increased the number of dollars even in my bill. we give an additional $285 million so we can assure women are taking care of. look, i'm a nurse. i've been here for a long time. >> not just just nurse, ob/gyns. >> at these clinics if there's not an ob/gyn in the clinic, they will refer them >> okay. congresswoman, diane black. thank you. coming up. we will speak with the man who produced the controversial undercover videos. we'll be right back. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all, my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be.

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good morning. welcome back to "new day." it is wednesday, september 30. 8:00 in the east. fireworks on capitol hill. people want to defund planned parenthood and they are making their case. the president of the organization is saying they are wrong. grilled for five hours. vehemently denying that planned parenthood profits from the sale of baby parts. and. >> obsessed with taking healthcare away from women. insisting the tapes were heavily doctored. cnn's national correspondent is live with the latest. tell us what happened. >> reporter: republicans used multiple angles of attack to make their case that federal

dollars should not go planned parenthood. including accusations around hosting pricey pear parties, found raising and the boasting salaries. >> the allegations based on heavily doctored videos are the offensive and categorically untrue. >> an emotional meeting on capitol hill on tuesday. >> do you defend the sale of baby body parts? >> no. >> gop members grilling planned parenthood president cecile richards for more than four hours over the company's use of roughly $450 million annually of federal funding. >> you could have provided every single service you did to every single woman last year if you did not get a penny from the discretionary fund of the united states congress. >> i disagree. >> at one point republican representatives slammed for their line of questioning. >> the disrespect, the misogyny,

rampant here today, tells us what is really going on here. >> surely you don't expect us to be easier on you because you are a woman. >> absolutely not. >> congressmen on both sides of the aisle fiercely advocating their positions. >> why do you need -- you are making a ton of dough. >> we have so much work to do but instead what do we do? we harp on a woman's right to make the choices that are hers to make. >> after this undercover video surfaced in july, the first in a skeerz released. discussing the transfer of fetal tissue by planned parenthood employees. >> which statements were you apologizing for? >> i was apologizing for what was said in a non clinical setting in a non appropriate way and i don't believe -- >> you can't have it both ways. you can't say i'm apologizing

for statements in one video and then not tell us what those statements were. >> richards reacting to the hearing on msnbc tuesday night. >> they are obsessed with ending healthcare for women in america. >> republicans are doubling down on their war against women. >> the effort to shut down the government over the federal funding of planned parenthood failed earlier this week. today house lawmakers are going to take up the issue as part of a vote to continue to fund the government. chris? >> let's bring in the man who produced the videos and started all of this. david dlied africaleiden from t for medical progress. court says you have to turn over your stuff, david. you have to turn over all the videos. the supporting documents. you have to show what you did, how you did it. you are fighting that to quote or paraphrase representative jordan from ohio. you want it both ways. you want to expose the videos

for what you want them to be but not turn over e everything. why not turn over everything? >> interesting question. we're -- cmp is complying with all the investigations that have requested footage from us. and actually in that court case that you mention there is an unconstitutional prior restraint, temporary restraining order against us that prevent us from complying with a federal subpoena to hand over all the materials that is conducting the investigation right now. >> three judge panel ordered you to participate in discovery ordering you to turn over all those things. i think they understand what the a tro is. are you going to comply. >> i can't say too much about the specifics because i'm not an attorney. so i can't say so much about the litigation. but i agree, we're happy to talk about what we did and how we did it. so long as the other party in that case is willing to talk

about their fetal sales contracts and -- >> one thing has nothing to with the other. i am a lawyer. i'm raising this because it doesn't smell right. you are about exposing but you don't want to expose everything. it makes it seem like there is something you want to hide. dunes that criticism? >> i understand the criticism. i don't think that's accurate. and i don't think that's really a fair representation of what's going on in the court case. i'm sure you are familiar that discovery can often be used as the fishing exaddition. >> did you edit the videotapes? >> you know, we create summary videos similar to the summary videos you produce for a news brad cast like this one. but the full footage of the conversation has always been posted to our youtube channel in addition to the summary videos. >> it is not the same as the

summary videos. i've had the pleasure. i've watched a lot of the raw and what you put out there. they are not the same. when you edit you make choices. is it fair to say you did match certain questions with different parts of conversations and move things around to show what you think matters? >> no. absolutely not. no. the edits that are made in the summary videos are just the highlights of the tapes. there is no changing in the ordering of the conversation whatsoever. >> but do you believe it changes the context of what the conversations were? >> no. not at all. and for statements, you know, when you are talking about using ultrasound guidance where to put your forceps on a late term fetus in order to harvest the brains or lungs or heart. there is no context in which those statements become acceptable to most people. >> not most people. because you have 65% of the american people don't want to defund. so what you are talking about is conservative catholics like yourself and people who are pro life. >> the poll that got those

numbers didn't mention anything about the numbers or the baby parts scandal planned parenthood is em broid in right now. >> of course it does. that doesn't come out of nowhere. >> the poll only asked about planned parenthood. it didn't specify the context at all. >> that is a conversation for another time. because that is just between your and my reckoning. >> half the american people haven't -- >> that's true. the question is however that assumes that seeing the videos informs you of the truth. and what planned parenthood and other people who see it, says no. you are doctoring it to make it seem like what you want it to be. >> right. there was an new forensic analysis, an actual forensic analysis. produced yesterday. >> which one? >> shah showed the video tape -- >> the ones from control file f

systems in colorado. >> -- >> cmp has no connection to the but that is tan -- >> here is what really created a flash point i want you do speak to. carly fiorina. very passionately in the debate. very cogently brings across this image of an aborted baby on the table, the heart beating, the legs moving. is that an aborted fetus that is in that image? >> i don't have a visual of what you're showing me. >> you know what i'm talking about david. it is a miscarriage. you know the mother was interviewed. you know you didn't ask her for permission for it but that is beside the point. >> that is not what carly fiorina was referencing. she was referencing the sequence in our video that shows footage of a born alive infant from a late term abortion actually moving in a specimen pan while holly o'donnell who used to work

at stem express is talking about the harvesting of a brain of an infant of the exactly same -- >> so you think it's a different image than the one that was pointed out -- >> if you're -- >> okay. >> if you're showing the image of the walter frets right now that is not the image. >> i don't know now the names. i don't own the material the way you do. i -- because the mother says. you know what i'm talking right? there was a mother who -- >> yeah. >> [ inaudible ]. >> and you used that in the video right? >> yeah i've spoken with lexi frets, the mother. and -- >> what [inaudible]. >> used to illustrate exactly the kind of late second trimester baby, fetus, that we're talking about in these cases of organ harvesting. >> if you are talking about organ harvesting and the abortions and how terrible, why would you use a stillborn fetus, which is not a function of an abortion? >> do you think the fetuses are

different somehow? it is the same gestational age. it is the same baby whether it's born dead or alive. >> it is also -- >> that is the same kind of infant. >> absolutely. it is also completely irrelevant to the point you are trying to make, which is look what they do to these babies. it was born stillborn. it was not aborted. doesn't that matter to you if you are talking about abortion? >> i think what matters is that is an example of an 18 to 19 week fetus, which is the exact same gestational age that planned parenthood routinely aborts and harvests the organs from. >> right but you use as an example of look at the babies they abort. look what it is. look what they do. but it wasn't aborted. isn't that misleading? >> no. because the subject, the creature that is being aborted is the same kind of thing. it is the same kind of fetus. that is not miss representing at all. >> it is not a creature. it is not a thing. it is a little person. and the point is if you want to

represent a little person, do it fairley. this is such an emotional thing. it is so religious for people. that baby was not aborted. it matters in the context of your conversation. >> it is the exact same gestational age fetus. i don't see how you could say that's not fair to show an illustration of what a fetus at 19 weeks looks like. >> my context. you are saying what they do in abortions. this wasn't abortion. that is my point. let's move on to a different point though. one legal aspect of this. there is a charge against you that you did illegal things to procure these videos. do you believe that will be substantiated on any level? or do you defend against that any level. >> the center follows all applicable laws in course of our investigative journalism work. >> and the idea that you

obtained them illegally, that there wasn't consent to the subjects, that you needed the consent for them, what is your response to that? >> yeah, no. most of the recording laws that are relevant -- i mean, all of the recording laws that are relevant to the conversations we taped are either takes place in one party consent states and in order to record public conversations. >> and you know that is often a question of discretion. you have to fight that out legally. you know that. >> we're prepared to do. >> is if you could go back. would you not summarize the video? would you just put out the raw and avoided what is certainly criticism of the production result? >> you know i think even if we just put out the raw files, which is quite a difficult

things actually. they are pretty hard to work with. planned parenthood and their allies in the media are still going to have problems with my it. are still going to say they are not real. that is the only thing they can say. they can't defend the actual conte content. so they are engaging in denial right now trying to say they are fabrica fabricated. >> you gave them the ammo by doing the editing. there is nothing easier than mu putting out raw footage. it is the editing that takes time. >> you know, i think it's important for the public, in order for the information or the accessible to make sure that you are presenting the highlights and presenting the most important pieces of what are -- >> to you. >> two, three four hour long conversations. >> what's most important to you. it comes down to subjectivity. >> that's why the full tapes are the posted. >> but foes them. and takes us to the lawsuit

where you are not putting everything out. people need to have the full information. david daleiden, thank you for representing your side. appreciate it. >> thank you chris. a russia is launching its first air strike in syria. moscow has been building its military presence there. a concern for many in the obama administration. right to barbara star with the details. what do we know at this hour? >> reporter: a u.s. official telling me a short time ago that all military intelligence indicators show that the russians have conducts their first air strike in syria. it took place in the western city of holmes. why is this so significant this location? this is an area where isis is generally not operating but antiassad forces are. why would the russians strike here unless they are planning to have an intent to prop up basher

al assad. that is what the u.s. is looking at. earlier today a russian general went to the u.s. embassy in baghdad, spoke to the u.s. military defense attache there and informed the u.s. that these air strikes would happen and told the u.s. it should get its planes out of syrian air space. the u.s. not doing that. the russians did not tell the u.s. exactly where they were flying. think didn't say it would be this area of homs where there are anti regime forces fighting the assad government. both sides, washington and moscow e we're supposed to sit down and talk about this. we'll see what happens next. >> thank you so much. secretary of state john kerry responding to criticism of the iran nuclear deal from republican candidates. in his conversation with cnn

kerry also addressed the possibility of american prisoners being held in iran. tell us more about your conversation. >> it was remarkably candid. we talked a about a lot of o things. we talked about the situation on the ground in syria which is developing as we speak. be e with also talked a iran. there's been a lot of talk about four americans being held in iran. washington post reporter jason rizaian. amir ahmadi and recently there's been noise about whether there could be a possible prisoner swap. i posed that the to secretary kerry. >> president rouhani was speaking to cnn's christiane amanpour and he laid out clear terms. and he said there have been talks about that. what are your red lines in these

talks? >> well i'm not going to discuss, i'm not going to draw red lines and i'm not going to get into the details of any discussion of those talks. >> but there are some talks about how to move forward though. >> we are constantly. i have raised them in all of our sessions. we've had a lot of conversations. we are continuing those conversations now. and i am hopeful that the day will come soon. obviously sooner rather than later. but soon, when all of our citizens can come home. >> several presidential candidates have talked about tearing up the iran deal. is that -- what do you think of that? is that possible? president rouhani called it laughable. >> well even -- you know, donald trump has very clearly and other candidates i've noticed on the other side. >> marco rubio, ted cruz. >> they have said -- >> they will tear it up day one. >> i don't know which have. donald trump he'll live wit. work to improve.

it but he recognizes it is not a wise thing to tear it up. i haven't followed closely who said what. i just say this. if this agreement is fully implemented over the course of these next 16 months, and iran has rolled back its program and undone, destroyed their stockpile and limited their enrichment and reduced all of their centrifuges, and they have expanded the breakout time to one year, i would think it would be folly, pure folly for any president to walk in and say i'm going to tear it up. i don't think the american people would allow it. i don't think the world would allow it. it would not be a wise, prudent move. it would be a dangerous move and not well received anywhere in the international community. >> and not only on the face of the iran deal but this administration wants to get that iran deal implemented so it can work with iran and syria in other aspects.

clearly they want that relationship with iran to flourish. i don't know how realistic that is but they definitely want to see if there are more opportunity there is. i'd also watch the space on the prisoners. secretary kerry doesn't want to get into the discussions and the intricacies. i would watch that space. >> thanks so much for all that. thousands are the fleeing kunduz overnight. an afghan official says there are not enough troops to combat insurgents. a limited number of coalition forces are on the ground this morning advising and assisting troops. >> more breaking news. tropical storm joaquin now a hurricane and posing a threat to the sbhier east coast. the problem with this one is we don't know where it's going. >> absolutely. after 48 hours hurricane center

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even without impact or an eye wall land fall. we will see an awful lot of rain. maybe 10-20 inches in some spots. and that could be a bigger problem with flooding like with iran and agnus and all the storms that weren't really big storms but they were flod makers. >> always interesting with the different models. chad, thank you. back to our breaking news. what is next for syria now that russian air strikes have begun? we will hear from the state department next. of things. what we're recommending as your consultants... the new consultants are here. it's not just big data, its bigger data. we're beta testing the new wearable interface... ♪ xerox believes finding the right solution shouldn't be so much work. by engineering a better way for people, process and technology to work together.

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breaking news this hour. russia launching its first air strike in syria. the obama administration has expressed concern about the russian military build up in syria. but secretary of state kerry says the u.s. can actually benefit. how does the u.s. benefit from moscow being involved in syria? >> well as the secretary said, there could be an opportunity here. look, russia has a long-standing military relationship with syria. they have had a long-standing presence there. the fact they are adding to those capabilities is not new. what is new is what we are worried with them doing with those additional capabilities. there might be a constructive role for russia and the

coalition to cooperate against isil going forward. so having them there with sufficient military capability focused on isil and that threat there is room for conversation. >> some experts say russia really isn't that interested in bashar al assad nor that interested in syria's sovereignty what. they are interested is in expanding russia's reach and by putting their military machinery into syria, that is what they are really doing. >> well, you know, probably best to talk to putin about what his overall strategic intent. i this i what we're seeing is this is somewhat of a reactive move by russia. they see the pressure assad is under. they know he's not gaining any ground. they recognize that he has lost the ability to govern wide swaths of his country. and they have got interests in syria. as i said, long-standing military presence. so some of what they are doing is to shore up what they believe

to be their own interest. what our concern is in doing that you are propping up the assad regime. and the future for syria can't be under basher ar al assad. he's the reason isil has been able to grow and fester up inside the country. >> and without assad then a what? >> that leaves us this very intense effort by secretary kerry to try to find a way to get a military transition in syria. to get isil completely defeated. what will sustain that is good governance. good governance in syria is the going to happen with a assad. so how do you get it done? how do you work out a transition where he gives power and a government can come in so people can return to their homes and have a normal life. >> he doesn't want to give up power. >> there are two companies with influence. that is russia and iran. and russia and iran are both operating inside syria.

they have both had influence inside syria. and one of the reasons why the secretary wants discussions with foreign minister lavrov is to see what kind of pressure russia can put on bashar al assad. to date they have not shown much interest in pushing too hard on assad. and we understand that. and why the secretary hosted two meetings here with our european and arab allies to try to get at what it could look like to game that out so we can have those discussions with the russians about working forward on options. >> is there a feeling at the state department you wish you could rewind the clock four years and do something different? taken a different tact with syria to begin with? >> no i don't think so. look, the conflict in syria began with minor protests that bashar al assad reacted to swiftly and brutally. >> you don't think that the arming the rebels would have changed the situation there today? >> you can go back and look at

this a bunch of different ways. it was -- i don't think we should forget the credible threat of military forces are which led assad to give up his declared stock piles of military material. a credible threat of military force off his coast actually did that. and we're not turning that blind eye. the coalition continues to fly, even today, missions in syrian air space and we're going to continue to do that? isil in afghanistan, that too has become a hot spot and the taliban has seized control of a major city. what is the u.s.'s plan. >> to continue to support the afghan government as they go after the taliban in kunduz. and they are. they are undertaking operations to retake kunduz. there have been at least i think one air strike there by operation resolute support,

which is our support mission there in afghanistan. and it just underscores two things. one, the importance of our mission in afghanistan which is to continue to improve the capability o of the ansf and get them into the fight. >> it doesn't seem to be work. they lost kunduz. the taliban has regrown its strength. >> it's a fluid situation. let's see how it goes. they are undertaking operations to get kunduz back. we all recognize this is not insignificant development. and i don't mean the u.s. the afghan government still recognized the let let. and the afghan national security forces are more competent can capable than just two years ago. this is their country. the whole idea of this mission is for them to secure their own country. make their oin citizens stable. >> thanks for being here. let's get to chris. a lot of money, a lot of time but not a lot of results. a new report says we've done nothing to prevent americans from joining isis.

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the u.s. is failing to stop the flow of foreign fighters joining isis. according that scathing new report from a congressional committee. it says more than 25,000 foreigners have traveled to syria and iraq, including 225 americans to join the terrorists. let's talk with republican congressman mccall. thanks so much for being on "new day." lots of troubling key findings here. let me read some to our viewers. currently no comprehensive global database of the foreign fighter names. iist recruiters e websites and apps. >> this is a bipartisan report let me stress. the terrorists don't check our

party affiliation. republicans and democrats came together on the committee to find the best way to protect americans. we found very disturbing. we don't have a national strategy. the intelligence sharing is not where it should be. the fact we don't have a national strategy both militarily politically but also back in the united states to counter this radicalization we find happening over the internet on a daily basis coming out of syria into the united states to radicalize followers as well. the threat environment's very high and we need to have a strategy. >> well we sure do. and let's just break it down a little bit. whether you are talking about, the federal government failing to develop early intervention strategies. that is getting right at the beginning. right at the root of it. why don't we have strategies? many have been suggested. >> it hasn't been a focus. we spend billions with the military with air strikes, billions to prevent terrorists from getting into the united states. but very little on the

prevention side for early detection. there are warning signs in all of these cases before a terrorist attack occurs. we've arrested over -- about 67 isis followers in the united states over the last year. and that is the good news. the thing that keeps me up at night is the chattanooga case, for instance, where we didn't know about it. in most of these case where is a terrorist event occurs, you find their friends or family or they went to a mosque and the radicalization warning signs in the mosque were not reported or detected early. and i think we need to focus o a lot on that. we do a lot to combat it overseas but not enough i think here in the united states. >> let's look at that next point, that jihadist recruiters are the using secure websites and apps to community with americans. surely we have the technology to infiltrate this and break it up, no? >> we don't. i think this is one of the greatest challenges of the law

enforcement. in the post snowden era the terrorists have very savvy, a new generation. different from others. a new generation of terrorists who are very savvy on the internet. and what they do allsyn is they communicate. and once they have the hook on someone in the united states, they go into what's called "dark space." a dark platform of communication that is so secure that even if we have a court order we can't see the communications. and if you can't see what they are saying it is very hard to stop. >> several dozen of these americans one report says, who have gone over the receive jihadist training have made it back into america. are we tracking those? >> it's a sensitive subject. if i can put a broader picture. 30,000 foreign fighters from a hundred countries. 5,000 with western passports

that could get into the united states. hundreds of americans, and this is who we know of. we don't have good intelligence on the ground in syria. so you really don't know what you don't know. these are just the numbers that we know of. 250 americans have traveled to the region. and many of those have returned to the united states. each one of those a potential ticking time bomb. if wean and charge them with evidence under the constitution, we do so. and if we can't, then we have to expend tremendous resources to monitor them to make sure they don't kill americans. but it is a tremendous challenge. >> congressman, what is the one thing that could happen today that would help solve some of this? the easiest, the fastest thing that could happen? >> well i think it is -- it is a variety of things. one is to eliminate the threat at its source. that is a military objective. politically u6rd talked a lot about assad earlier in the program. that has to the be dealt with. yump has to tighten travel restrictions with the foreign fighters. and then we need to deal with

this prevention piece of radicalization over the internet in the united states. and if we do nothing, this threat will just continue to grow as it has. and as we stated in our report. >> congressman mccall. it's all very ominous. thanks so much for explaining it to us today on "new day." what is your take? tweet us or post your comment on facebook. michaela. >> we're thrilled to is have this lady with us here this morning. lisa ling. speaking out for the first times. wait to hear what they have to say. lisa joins us in a moment. when a wildfire raged through elkhorn ranch, the sudden loss of pasture became a serious problem for a family business. faced with horses that needed feeding and a texas drought that sent hay prices soaring, the owners had to act fast. thankfully, mary miller banks with chase for business.

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warren jess is serving time behind bars for sexual assault and abuse of minors. now two are speaking out about their father claiming he sexual abused them too. take a look at this. >> warren's abuse of the innocent began long before he became the prophet. he found his first victims at home under his own roof. >> when i was really young, probably between the ages of 4 and 6, it was at night. he came to my room. i kept thinking father, do you know what you're doing? are you awake? i was thinking there's got to be a reason. because he teaches these strict principles of morals and everything. it just scared me. i tried to convince myself it

didn't happen. but all my life it would come to my mind. i nefrl told anybody. >> why didn't you tell anyone? >> because father knows best. >> lisa ling joins us now. so compelling to listen to her speak. so brave of her. how did that come about? because i i can't imagine it was something she was eager to do necessarily. >> no. she and her brother actually talked to us. and these aren't people who are eager to go write books or become famous. they have only been out less than two years. and they desperately want people to know that their father is a flawed. and most importantly they really want to convey to their father. because he really is the only person who can change things. >> they you will. >> she called me and asked if we could call the prison to air our episode. because he's the only person who can make a change and admit to the people that he's been a fraud and tell the people the

truth. >> and do we know if he knows she has gone public? zblim i'm sure he probably knows by now. he has a select few people he communicates with. she was on the list but obviously he's not in his good graces anymore. >> he's well aware of the allegations and he is very very resistant to them. the question becomes what can she do to herself to break his hold over her? as you know the victimology very often is that the abuse continues because of the lack of admission. so what do they do? a and. >> and this is one of the reasons she and her brother are so eager to speak out about the abuse. talking about issues pertaining to sex. they are things they are incredibly modest about in their community. but this is so important for them to convey. people in their community need to know what he was like before he became the prophet. that there was something in his nature. that he was a pedophile. and thousands and thousands of

people still believe he's the hand of god and believe in every word that he dictates from prison. >> well it is powerful stuff. you are going tune in tonight to watch that. but up coming in season two there are some other things. and one you are really excited about. took a lot of work. took a lot of building of confidence. you went inside a biker gang. >> we did. we embedded with the biker club that has been targeted the hardest by the federal government. the mongols, based in los angeles, with chapters all over the country. >> they were involved in the waco thing. >> they weren't involved in the waco shootout but since then the fbi has ratcheted up on all biker clubs. particularly this one. >> did you go mongol? >> i won't say i go soft on them but we went inside and it was fascinating. another episode is the fatherless towns. we spent time in a jail in

richmond virginia, a city where households are missing many men, so many of whom are incarcerated. and these men were allowed to participate in this incredible faurd program. because so many people behind wars are parents and the idea is to connect with their kids. and the idea culminates in a father/daughter dance inside the jail. and i strongly suggest people have a box of kleenex. the idea is to incentivize fathers do right by their daughters when they get out. >> this is life with lisa ling. >> good one. >> very proud. thanks for joining us. e hopefully we'll see more owoff. this is lisa ling. airs tonight right here on cnn, 9:00 p.m. be there. >> that is good stuff. but we have even more. coming up, the good stuff. how was your commute? good. yours? good.

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trooper killed in the line of duty. she tells her parents she wants to take her allowance and do something for them. >> i got them ice cream. >> why did you get them ice cream? because i. >> because remember, a five-year-old values nothing as much as they value ice cream. and yet she bought them all sundsu sundaes because their friend died. >> because of the day we just had, it is almost a tear jerk ii er. it is one of those things, it makes us realize why we do what we do. >> they say on the job cops. but really there is such an intimacy among them. and when one of them dies it is like family that is lost. and this little five-year-old really tapped into that. >> sweetness and innocence on such a hard day can soften the blow. >> she says she wants to be a cop someday too. >> ooh wow. >> how about that? >> five-year-olds understand ice

cream and friends. >> ice cream for all our friends. time for newsroom with carol costello. apparently we're having ice cream today. >> sounds great to me. newsroom starts now. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin this hour with breaking news in the fight against isis. and an uneasy alliance that now faces a new test. this morning we learned that russia has launched its first air strike on extremist targets in syria. and adding to the drama, russia has told the united states to ground its war planes in that country. there is a lot to break down. cnn's barbara star is tracking from the pentagon. and more. barbara, what's happening in syria. here is the latest carol.