all right. tru thanks so much for joining us. our breaking news continues right now. "ac 360" tonight with john "ac 360" tonight with john berman. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening, i'm john berman in for anderson. i said good evening but it's not good, it's awful again. another town suffering what should be the least normal event imaginable, a gunman on a school campus. tonight roseburg oregon where a 20-year-old man opened fire at a community college killing at least ten people. at least seven people are being treated at local hospitals. reuniting with loved ones, the campus a crime scene. we'll hear from those students tonight and we heard from the president a short time ago as frustrated or frankly, as angry as we have ever seen him. president obama said thoughts and prayers are not enough.

>> somehow this has become routine. the reporting is routine. my response here at this podium ends up being routine. the conversation in the after path of it, we become numb to this. we talked about this after columbine and blacksburg, after tucson, after new town, aurora, charleston. it cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun. and what's become routine, of course, is the response of those who oppose any kind of common sense gun legislation. right now, i can imagine the press release is being cranked

out. we need more guns they will argue. fewer gun safety laws. does anybody really believe that? >> another evening in the united states of america filled with grief. the chaos began this morning as the 911 calls started to flood in. 10:38 this morning local time the first calls come into authorities. >> active shooter ucc 11:40. somebody is outside one of the doors shooting through the door. we do have one female that has been shot at this time. >> reporter: within minutes, law enforcement on the scene. >> exchanging shots with him, he's in a classroom. >> exchanging gun tshots with a male. >> confirmed report he has a long gun. >> reporter: the shooter is a 20-year-old male believed to have four guns, three pistols and a long rifle according to the a law enforcement official.

>> i heard like a loud bang. there was a couple girls running, sprinling away from the building and i hear screaming after that first gunshot and then i looked out and saw the people running and said we need to get out of here now. >> dispatch as many ambulances as possible to the scene as possible. >> reporter: the gunman kills at least ten before police are able to stop him. >> officers from around the county immediately responded to the college and upon arriving there, they located the shooter in one of the buildings. officers engaged that suspect. there was an exchange of gunfire. the shooter is deceased. >> survveivors were evacuated t nearby fairgrounds to be reunited with loved ones. john joins us on the phone. john, what's the latest the at the fairground? are the students still there? >> there are still students here and we don't know if more are

coming. that's one thing officials can't tell us and can't tell us if more people have been killed other than the ten reported. and right now for the parents who are here or for the loved ones of these students still at the fairgrounds being asked questions by the fbi, it's just a heartbreaking, heart wrenching process because they have gone the longest without hearing from loved ones and starting to assume the worst. >> we should say that number of ten, the number of ten killed, the sheriff told us a few minutes ago it is unclear and refused to answer questions whether the shooter himself is included in that number ten to get that out there. you've been talking to parents who arrived looking for their children. what are they telling you? >> that's right. it was interesting you just heard president obama say that the response has become routine but for them, this day is anything but routine. they were just enjoying their lives, doing what they do here working and then get this awful, awful message this happened and created a lot of panic. most people who had loved ones

at this school were able to immediately establish contact, which again, why for the parents and loved ones who haven't this is gut wrenching. an awful period of waiting and waiting to hear their loved ones are okay. >> it has to be simple y devastating. brady winter was in the very next room where the shooting happened. he joins me now. brady, i understand you were in class when the shooting started. take us through what happened. what did you see? did you hear? >> so i was in class. we heard a really loud pop. it sounded like somebody hit the floor with a desk or a table and we didn't think too much of it. sounded like a fight was breaking out. kind of startled everybody in the classroom, so my teacher actually went over to the door, there is a door joining the two

classrooms and was waiting and asked at the door to the other side, said is everybody in there okay? didn't hear anything. heard just a few more seconds of silence, heard about four or five gunshots after that and that's when we realized, these are actual gunshots. somebody said these are gunshots. we all kind of froze and bolted out the door. >> so this all happened right next to the room you were in. what was going through your head at the time? >> a lot, honestly, it was pretty fast. i wasn't really any time to think. it was fight or flight. i was just praying that everybody was okay, just hoping that everybody can make it out and just praying that i was going to make it, to be honest. >> did you realize it was gunshots at first? >> not with the first one. it wasn't, it wasn't as loud as you would think and i think that combined with the fact that it's not something you're expecting. it's the fourth day of school.

just started college this week, you're not, that's not on your list of things you ex many spect. >> when you ran out of the room, where did you go? >> i ran straight out just ran as far and fast as i could. i ran to the back of the campus towards the creek and ran down a hill where i waited for about 15, 20 minutes. >> were you prepared in any way for this? is this something the school ever talked to you about? >> no, it's something you get ready for in grade school and high school possibly but honestly, none of the preparation really prepared you for what happens. you don't have time to think. like i said, it's fight or flight, you just go. >> how long -- >> and in this case, i'm glad that we didn't have hallways, thank goodness, our door was facing outside, we were able to make it out of the building. >> when did you finally feel

safe? >> it took awhile. i mean, it was gradual. it wasn't all at once when i saw officers, there were officers staggered all over the campus with automatic rifles. i'd say once i got on the bus, they actually made us get in single file lines and put us on a bus to take us to the fairgrounds to evacuate the campus. it sunk in there. the feeling of today doesn't really leave you. >> how long before the police got on the scene? there was the 911 call they say, something like 10:38 a.m. your time. how long after you heard those first shots before they were there? >> i'd say within ten minutes of the shooting we heard sirens and staggered at that point. most of the vehicles didn't have sirens and i couldn't see, so hard to tell but definitely there was a multitude of police officers and emergency vehicles. >> how are you doing? >> it's mixed, you know, honestly. i'm concerned for the families

of those involved. i'm just praying that the people that were affected will be able to cope with this and will be doing okay. that's who i'm concerned about. >> school is closed for the next several days. do you think you'll feel safe again back on campus? >> it's hard to tell. it's hard to tell. it's not something i'd want to think about at this point. >> brady, we're glad you're doing okay. thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. all right. joining me now cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and former fbi profiler mary o'toole. describing the shots in the classroom next to them and describing how the police arrived within minutes, very quickly. we heard from the sheriff describing a shootout between the police and the man who is

dead. w what does this tell you about the vent? >> sounds quick. apparently the shooter himself hit the location so fast and fired weapons so fast in there and they -- once the police response was there, he was still shooting and the police had to come in and directly take him on. the active shooter protocol used to be the fact that the police would gather in front of the location, get together and go in. the new protocol is hearing shots fired, go in and take the shooter on right away. that's the most important thing. don't worry about people that are injured or killed. take that shooter out right away. i think the police did a very good job here. >> why is that? why do you take the person out right away at this point? >> the fact is the longer you wait, the more he's killing. as a police officer, you get there and run in right away because if you're delayed at any moment, two, three, five more people being killed.

as a police officer, you go and take him on right away. >> tom fuentes, the weapons, three pistols and a long rifle. let's talk about capacity. that's enough of an arsenal to carry out what he carried out. >> the assault rifle would have a firing rate of 700 rounds per minute factoring in a second or two for each 30-round magazine, the pistols would be slower. the virginia tech shooter had two pistols and killed more than 30 people in a short amount of time. he prevented police from coming by chain locking exterior doors. that's how quick it can happen. >> we don't know it was an assault rifle, all we know it

was a long rifle. >> there was a report earlier today it was in the cnn has note point is well taken. the handguns themselves, right, you need to be 21 not united states to buy a handgun from a licensed dealer but legally you can be given as a gift, get it at a gun show. does that tell us how he got the guns? >> no, because we don't know if he's a resident of that city or state. we heard he's possibly through the midwest. we don't know him. we haven't identified him to know where he's from, if he's even an oregon resident where that would matter. >> mary ellen, one of the questions people ask is what kind of person can do this? >> in a case like this with this kind of lethality, this is an individual that thought about this for a long time. it's not something that just happens yesterday and they snapped. they have been thinking and

planning this for some time, when you see these cases that involve excessive firepower, a lot of ammunition, it suggests someone that's a mission-oriented shooter and that means their goal is to come in and shoot as quickly and extensively as they can to get maximum lethal tity and with th shooter, notoriety, being famous even if it's for a couple hours on one day is really important to them but the idea that creates a person whose thought processes allow this kind of thing, that begins years ago. so there were warning signs all along the way and probably particularly in the last 24 to 48 hours. >> we'll talk more about that. you say mission-oriented. what an awful mission. the panel will stick around. new details we are getting about the shooter and what investigators are focussing on as they try to piece together what happened and talk about

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guns were recovered at the scene. it is interesting, we do not know the name of the shooter. it hasn't been released and we don't know whether this guy was a student at the community college. deb has been investigating and deb, there is a lot not released about this which is interesting. what are you learning? >> sometimes authorities don't release the name until they know for sure. this is a small town. they have one coroner that has to go through the victims and identify them. what we know, the coroner's sources i've been speaking with are investigators are looking very, very closely at the gunman's online profile. they identified the gunman by a cell phone that he had with him. that cell phone allowed them to find a car in the parking lot, which authorities did search to make sure there were no explosives. the sheriff is the one that decided not to release the gunman's name as they try to

develop a more accurate profile who he is. what we do know according to a source, they believe he's from the midwest, that's what they are looking into. he traveled to the west coast within the last 48 hours. he went to seattle, washington and investigators believe he was there to meet someone, unclear whether he did or not. we do know that he then drove south six hours to the area where umpqua college is located. the medical examiner will have to identify the victims and one thing they will do is try to figure out whether any of the victims had a connection to the shooter, whether in fact, someone on that campus was deliberately targeted by this particular gunman. now, he did have a prolifc online life including youtube videos, which are filled with hateful rants against women, against the people on these sort of anonymous chat boards he's interacting with and filled with

curses, very disturbing to watch. it looks like the ramblings of an insane person. what we do know is these youtube videos, john, were getting thousands of views before the shooting. so he had an online persona, online community of people at least listening to them, whether anyone was listening to him in real life, that is something investigators are looking at closely. >> if this is the guy thousands of people saw what he was at least thinking about online, we'll talk much more about that in a second. first, deb, any physical locations searched in connection with this person? >> well, that's what they are going to do. that's absolutely one of the things they will do. they will go to his home and look there to see what they can determine. there was just to set the record straight, there were postings on a chat board. it is unclear whether those postings are real, whether they were doctored, allegations are

being made but investigators are looking closely to the possibility that some people jumped on board the the bandwagon to make the active alone gunman into something much greater within the sort of insane community of people who are quite disturbed. >> that's deeply troubling on many levels. i want to bring back the panel, deb, stick around. tom fuentes, harry and mary ellen o'toole. what we heard from deb, if the shooter was talking about intentions online and encouraged by people and giving tactical advice by people, what does that say about him and what does it say about those people? >> well, it's pretty stunning if that ends up being the case. for him to talk about it makes sense because in almost every case we've seen in the past, there is what we call leaking,

which the offender tells somebody ahead of time what they will do. that was social media and how they announce what they will do. leaking i would expect in this case. if these other people were watching this and encouraging this, then we have a real issue with people being numb to these warning signs because this is exactly the behavior that we identified almost 15 years a go, behavior reported on. it really nullifise see something say something. that's more of a failure on part of the human beings watching that. >> deb reported, mary ellen, this person was apparently very angry at women. it's notable this community college is more than half females, 58% female but if this person was ranting about women

saying to have a hatred towards women in general, what profile does that fit? >> a shooter who is like this hates women, but they are okay with african americans or they are okay with this group or jewish people but just hate women. in my experience and i had a lot of these cases, that's simply not true. they tend to be equal opportunity haters. they hate everyone and their view of the world is one that we call ni call nileistic. it's a hatred that crosses all genders and ethnic backgrounds. to say just women, i doubt that's the case. >> tom fuentes if this online chatter is accurate and connected to this person and this persons announcing intentions in a way online, should someone have said something? obviously, i guess the answer there is yes but should police have noticed? is there any mechanism for law enforcement to observe this kind of thing? we're looking at live pictures

right now of investigators on the the campus at work. it's still a crime scene and very large crime scene at that but tom fuentes, about the online chatter, what mechanism is there to monitor this type of thing? >> there really is no mechanism and many of these sites are anonymous so even somebody chatting with him or encouraging him may not know who he is or where he's at if he doesn't reveal it. you can have this anonymous w t banter going back and forth which contributes to freedom to say anything and really no mechanism of law enforcement to track sites or anonymous people on them. they are out there and nothing that can really be conif there is no way to the identify them. >> what is interesting is when you read the postings, also, he's egged on by a couple people in those chat rooms, oh, you're not going to do it the but if

you do, here is how, here is what you should do the with people. here is how you can kill the most number of people. so it's very bizarre as to the conversations they are having and if they don't do it and a posing of an fbi tip line, nobody called because there is an expectation as twisted or da ranged or sick as they are, nobody has the guts to go and do it. it's until you see the true unraveling of the human mind that allows them to cross that line and start firing on innocent people is unfortunately one of the things like well, we didn't think he was going to do it but apparently he did. >> the people that egged him on, if they did egg him on, are they any legal liability. >> i think there has to be culpability here. if he stayed in the chat line, i'm going to attack this school tomorrow at 10:30. somebody should have called the

police even if they didn't know him so police would be ready if it happen today and the fact that if the fbi who has a very good tracking unflit to track people down on the internet can track someone someone who egged him on and told him how to commit the attack and aware of it, that will be a legal question. i want to bring it back to the physical investigation because deb reported something interesting is this guy is from the midwest may have arrived in the area within the the last 48 hours. is it possible he has no connection to the college? >> we were talking about the fact he might have been chatting with some woman who went to that school. all right? and then chatting with her and she somehow rejected him. here is a guy from the midwest. how do you find a school in the middle of nowhere to attack? >> finding that connection has to be one of the key parts of the investigation.

>> could be one of the victims. >> which is why they have to identify the victims and see whether in fact there was any sort of communication between any of the people that died. >> there will be something there. >> and that gives us a good sense where the investigation is tonight. deb, harry, tom, mary ellen. thanks for being with us. more on the weapons authorities found. he came equipped to do more harm and we'll talk what the shooter has in common with other mass killers. hold the phone. because at&t and directv are now one! which means you can access your dvr at the dmv.

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roseburg oregon grieving tonight and a nation. a massacre, ten people dead, at least seven others hospitalized as we've said, authorities say they recovered four weapons from the scene. pamela brown joins me now with the latest and pamela, these four guns found, what do we know about them? >> we learned, john, officials have recovered three pistols and one long gun. assault rifle style weapon that was recovered from that scene

that they believe belonged to the gunman and we learned at this hour one of the guns has been traced. atf is working very hard right now at this hour to figure out whether the gunman bought his guns legally. the governor, it's important to point out said the gunman is 20 years old because you have to be 21 to buy a gun however we're being told he may be a little older. so there is conflicking reports about his age but we believe he's in his 20s so the gun may have been gifted to him by a family member or obtained it legally or illegally. we don't have the answers to that and we're learning, john, there were no explosive devices found on campus near the crime scene, anything like that. we know earlier today that was a question. there have been a the tf bomb-sniffing dogs on the scene and no explosive devices found and very important to point out there. >> any idea of the make or model

of the gun orca pa capacity of nation? >> it had quite a capacity because at least ten people were killed but officials at this point are staying tight lipped and not giving specifics of that and speaks to difficulty of covering this case because it is in a remote area, three hours south of portland and from my ex experience covering this, the information is coming out more slowly, piece mill because of the information. >> a lot of people are noting that right now. any sense of when there will be more information coming out or when some of these questions will be answered? >> that's a good question. we heard from the sheriff's office and he didn't give the identity of this gunman. a lot of people wonder is this someone that may have been a student at the school? were there warning signs? that information has not been publicly available.

i've spoken to law enforcement officials that the think that that is something that should be coming out shortly because as we know, this gunman is now deceased and even though it's a very active investigation, we still need to know the answer to those questions, john. >> pamela brown, thank you, appreciate it. dead killers take some secrets with them. we can't ask why he fired. we have seen this type of thing before carried out by the same type of killer. joining me now to talk about this is dr. drew pensky, host of "hln's dr. drew" what was your reaction when you heard about the shooting today? >> my first reaction is here we go again. since sandy hook i've been sitting in front of cnn cameras lamenting we crossed into a new period of history that is frankly disgusting and tonight, we've crossed into yet another zone where as was reported a few minutes ago, you heard that this

man was rambling online about his intent to harm people, and the trolls and participants and social media thought it was appropriate to egg this guy on, to encourage him to murder. that's how far we have sunk in social media. that is what goes on how deta detached people feel when they interact in social media where you literally can encourage a murderer to carry out their act. that's another line we have crossed that i don't know where we're going with this but it's truly disturbing. >> i want to talk about the reaction online to this person but first, what about the act of going online if that is in fact what happened, if this turns out to be accurate, if this person did go online saying hey, i'm thinking about a mass shooting at a school tomorrow. what kind of person does that? >> if you remember the west virginia shooter -- i'm sorry, the virginia tech shooter did a prolonged video where he rambled

on in a mechanic state. we have videos presented here locally in southern california by the santa barbara shooter and this particular shooter, the one we were reporting on today has an erie similarity, someone socially isolated, detached, somehow different than other people, unable to connect and a profound failure. when you add inability to emphasize other people's agencies or emotion and agitated state, you have a serious combination that can result in this sort of crime. >> it has a sort of disgusting performance quality to it going online before hand doing this, this kind of rant on a video. >> again, i would urge you to just think of it has the moderate incarnation of writing a manifesto and taking a video and putting it online. the only thing that is different is it's online in realtime and

interacting with other humans in that context and rather than them contacting the fbi, they are giving him advice how to carry out his act. it's not funny. >> dr. drew pinsky, always appreciate your insight. thanks so much for being with us. >> you bet. >> just ahead, president obama's message. he was angry when he spoke about this earlier tonight and we just got the mayor of the town where this mass cure took place, he'll speak to us when we come back. ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch! try alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmm...amazing. i have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.

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ten people dead in a mass killing at umpqua community college in roseburg, oregon. joining me on the phone is larry rich, mr. march you, thank you for being with us, this is something that should happen to no town in anyplace in this country. how are you and the people of rose burg hoburg holding up ton? >> the best we can. when we found out earlier today, it was like oh, no, here we go again with the nation shoot ing

and happened to be here in our town. the bigger shock will be when the names are released and we're going to recognize some of the names and that's going to be very hard for many of our citizens. >> we were speaking to people at the fairgrounds earlier tonight where the reunitediing is suppo to happen and we heard how difficult is it for parents who have yet to find their children. it's got to be such an awful pe feeling right now. >> it was and i was there towards the end when you can imagine the feeling of being a parent and a loved one and still sitting there realizing that yours isn't coming back. that's -- it was really emotional and very hard to be there. my heart went out for those families that were still sitting there in that room. >> mr. mayor, what questions do you have this evening? we don't have the name of the person that carried out this

act. we certainly don't know why perhaps this person did it. what do you want the to know about what happened today? >> i think in everybody's mind is why would somebody do this? would drive somebody to this point and i wish we could figure it out so this non-sense of killing one another would stop in our country. it's getting crazy. i wish we could figure out how to put an end to it. >> what's tomorrow going to be like in roseburg, oregon. >> harder than today. right now we got the shock but when we start recognizing those names, that will be harder for so many of us. it will be the most difficult point i believe will be tomorrow. >> thank you so much for being with us. know tonight and tomorrow and for the weeks and months ahead the entire country is thinking about you. >> thank you so much, appreciate it. what happened today in roseburg happen in so many other american cities. that's the point the president made today, he was visibly

angry, as angry as many of us have seen him and called on americans, people to demand changes to the nation's gun laws. >> to allow this to happen every few months in america, we collectively are answerable to those families who lose their loved ones because of our inaction. when americans are killed in pi mine dis easters, when american are killed in natural disasters, we work to make communities safer. when roads are unsafe, we fix them. to reduce auto fatalities. we have seat belt laws because we know it saves lives. so the notion that gun violence

is somehow different, that our freedom and our constitution prohibits any modest regulation. >> we're joined by cnn dan phifer. dan, you worked for him for a number of years. what did you make of his emotions tonight? >> this is as angry as i've seen him. >> period? >> period. prior to tonight the angriest i've seen him after new town. i had this conversation with him, exactly what he said at the podium and i've had it privately on countless occasions because this has become too much. every few weeks congress did nothing. he calls the families and goes to the funerals and to be able -- to not look the people in the eye and say we cannot do

anything about it gets the to him. >> i talked to people in the administration and say the biggest regret the president has, not the biggest regret is that he hasn't been able to make any progress on his view in gun laws. >> i think that's completely true. this is, he's incredibly frustrated by this. think about every other developed nation as he pointed out has a shooting like this and change their laws and don't have shootings. we have almost every week of the second term we have one and the problem is the members of congress don't feel the pressure to do this. >> is it just the members of congress? does the president himself take responsibility? >> he used the pronoun our responsibility here. he feels he is the president of the united states, the captain -- >> does he feel he failed here? >> he feels he failed to do more. the problem is, this is not exclusively a republican problem is republicans in the senate almost unanimously block

background checks a couple years ago. >> it's interesting and i don't know his political affiliation but sheriff john hanlan, he and someone vocally opposed new gun laws in this country. he wrote a letter after new town saying there should not be, for instance, new background checks for people doing private sales at gun shows. there are people out there, even people like this sheriff connected to the shootings who do not want the laws themselves changed. >> this sheriff is in the minority and country is in the minority in law enforcement. sheriffs, chiefs of police are the largest advocates for common sense gun regulations like background checks. look, this keeps happening over and over and it only happens here in america. we don't have a monopoly on the mental ill or monopoly on disenfranchised use but this happens more than anywhere else in the world. what is different? our gun laws are more laxed.

>> there is people who say don't poll lit size this or that, the president said let's politica politicalize it. where is agreement if it's not on background checks, where can everyone get together and say we agree on these few things, let's at least do this? >> in the country there are lots of agreements, assault weapons ban, changing background laws, majorities of republicans in some case s agree on. republicans majority are afraid of the minority of public opinion, making a call to action for citizens to put pressure on their lawmakers because until people who advocate safer gun laws put, start knocking on doors, calling congressional offices we're going to keep repeating what happened after new town, which is the country gets upset, the country mourns,

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advisory on hurricane joaquin. the dangerous category four storm is slamming the the bahamas with winds of 130 miles per hour. all along the east coast millions of americans want to know if this storm is coming for them. meteorologist jennifer gray joins us now with the details. jennifer, what's the latest on the storm's track. >> well, the 8:00 advisory, 8:00 eastern time hasn't changed much this storm is still at 130 mile per hour sustained winds with gusts up to 160 battering the central bahamas. this storm basically sitting right over the bahamas for two solid days and it's going to stay there for much of tomorrow before it takes the turn north. the models still not agreeing much at all but they are coming together a little bit more and

most of them taking it out to sea, which is very interesting. i want to show you the latest track from the national hurricane center. we won't have another update for another couple of hours but looking at the floor, you can see staying category four and weakening as it travels to the north and then that cone still anywhere from north carolina all the way up through the northeast, however, most of those models like we said, john, are taking this to sea. >> what does that mean for the east coast? will the east coast feel the effects of the storm? >> we are going to the the see a flooding threat for possibly south carolina and alsoindirect winds, we're talking about beach erosion and we could see some flooding in the northeast as well. but the good news is the models are still taking it away from the east. so the farther it is from the coastline, the better off you will be. unrelated to the storm, though, we are talking about massive

flooding across the carolinas for the weekend all because of this upper level low. it is expected to deepen a bit. that's going to suck in a lot of tropical moisture and we're talking about anymore from ten to 15 inches of rain across south carolina. they have already received a lot of rain over the past seven days. the mountains and then the coastal areas, so we're talking about flooding tremendous amount of flooding and also in north carolina, six to ten inches of rain possible through the weekend. john? >> ten to 15 inches of rain of water in the lowcountry, south carolina, people are ready, getting ready dealing with emergency preparations there. at this point, doesn't matter what happens with hurricane joaquin, they have serious problems. jennifer gray, thank you so much. really appreciate you being with us. that does it for me but stay with us for more on the hurricane and mass shooting in oregon. wolf blitzer anchors the second

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thanks for joining us for another live hour of "ac 360." the breaking news tonight, another heartbreaking evening from the small town in america, gun violence shattering the pose of a community in oregon. at least ten people were kill when had a gunman opened fire in a community college in roseburg, oregon. tonight we know the shooter is also dead. he was in a gunfire exchange with police. president obama spoke from the white house clearly frustrated that yet another mass shooting has happened in the united states. he said the gun laws