targeted christian students? we are also learning more about the precious victims' lives taken. we have the story covered as cnn can. let's start with anna cabrera. what have you learned. >> reporter: more than 100 investigators are on scene, searching for answers. we're hearing more from students here at the college, describing that horror, that broke through and rocked this normally peaceful rural community. ♪ overnight, a mass of candle light vigil for the victims of umpqua community college's deadly mass shooting. disturbing new details coming from a father whose daughter was hit in the back by a bullet, describing how the gunman targeted those who said they were christian.

>> are you a christian? he would ask them? and if you're a christian, stand up. they would stand up and he said, good, because you're a christian, you're going to see god in just about one second and then he shot and killed them. he kept going down the line doing this. >> reporter: thursday morning, around 10:38 a.m., 911 dispatch receives the first calls for help. >> the active shooter, ucc, 1140 college road. >> somebody is outside one of the doors, shooting through the door. >> reporter: the police say he was carrying body armor and ammunition, along with three pistols and one long rifle. he open fire on a classroom, shooting the teacher at pointblank range. >> it was rapid fire over and over and over again. you could hear the people -- you could hear them moving and c crying. >> i said to the teacher, we need to get out of here right

now. we heard the second and third gunshots. >> reporter: within minutes, officers swarmed the campus. >> he's in a classroom. >> exchanging gunshots with the male. they're in snyder hall. >> reporter: the shooter continued his rampage into the science building, casualties found in at least two different classrooms. >> i will not name the shooter. i will not give him the credit he probably sought prior to this horrific and cowardly act. >> reporter: the gunman shot dead at the scene. and the sheriff praising the heroic actions of two officers who arrived here at the scene within minutes of that first 911 call. keep in mind, this is a normally gun-free zone here at the college. there are no armed security guards or armed officers normally here on campus. and so given the amount of

ammunition, the number of weapons this shooter had, it's likely those responding officers may have prevented this tragedy from becoming even more deadly. chris? >> how to stop a shooting once it happens? how to stot them before they start, how to assess people as risk. hoy to decide who gets weapons? all of these issues present themselves every day. anna, thank you. here's what matters most in every one of these situations. those who were victimized. right now we know at least seven were wounded at this mass shooting in umpqua community college. those who are still alive and fighting for their lives, let's get to cnn's chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta live at mercy hospital in roseburg, oregon with more. what are they telling you. >> reporter: well, with this particular hospital, it's about five miles away from the scene. this is a small town, chris, just about 21,000 people live here. five miles away from the scene. what we know now from talking to

people inside the hospital, ten people, ten people who are injured were brought to this hospital after the incident occurred. we know that one of those people died in the emergency room here behind me. three people were transferred to another hospital and the others were getting operations and treatment here. so it was ten injured, originally, chris, that were brought here. one did not survive after making it to the emergency room. we know that this is a level three trauma center, chris. this is the hospital that is not used to seeing this sort of thing but remarkably, back several years ago, they actually took care of a similar sort of incident. where 23 people were injured in a mass shooting. so these are seasoned doctors, seasoned professionals in here who tragically have seen this sort of thing before. i can tell you, chris, being here for a little bit now, everybody in this town seemingly has been affected by this. they either knew somebody, they've been somehow directly

impacted by what happened here. that's really the feel, the vibe that you get when you walk around this town today. >> sanjay, i'll take it here. that's the thing, a small community like that will be rocked to its core. we'll check back with you on the status of those victims that are being treated in the hospital. meanwhile, federal and local investigators are chasing every lead to learn more about that 26-year-old gunman and his motives. was the mass shooting a possible hate crime? were warning signed missed? joi that part of the story. >> he's 26 years old, christopher harper mercer is his name. he wore, apparently, according to reports, a military style garb almost every day and he had a close relationship with his mother. "the new york times" quoting her saying that she had to insulate her son from various things he found annoying, including bugs and animals and children.

what we also know about him is that his father is in southern california, his father actually spoke and confirmed the identity of his son. >> any questions right now? >> obviously it's been a devastating day, devastating for me and my family. all i ask is, i know you are here to do your job, all i ask is please respect our privacy. so far you've done that. >> any surprise at all? >> shocked. shocked is all i can say. >> the father lives in southern california. the mother, it appears, had moved to oregon. what we do know is very little is known about this individual. but investigators telling us that when he was shot, he was carrying a long gun, three handguns which he was able to reload. he was also in possession of body armor and he had a lot of ammunition. police now crediting other officers for responding so quickly that they were, in their

words, able to neutralize the gunman. he did appear to be armed for a long fight. last thing, he was also on social media but he doesn't have a very prolific profile as others we've investigated normally do. he was on a site, he said i've noticed so many people like this gunman in virginia who killed the two reporters, are all alone and unknown. yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. a man who is known by no one is now known by everyone, his face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet ab all in the course of one da i. seems the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight. investigators are looking at the motive to understand what was going on in his head. there are eyewitnesses who are telling investigators that he did ask people their religions. so they're looking as to why that may have played a role. chris, alisyn, michaela.

>> reading that blog post, it just spells out part of his motive that he liked the limelight. that that other murderer from roanoke had received. we will explore that on the program. meanwhile, president obama outrage by yet another mass shooting. the president admonishing the country for not fighting gun violence, saying somehow these massacres have become routine in america. >> but we are not the only country on earth that has people with mental illnesses. or want to do harm to other people. we are the only advance country on earth who sees these kind of mass shootings every few months. somehow this has become routine. the reporting is routine. my response here at this podium ends up being routine.

the conversation in the aftermath of it, we've become numb to this. we talked about this after columbine and blacksburg, after tucson, after newtown, after aurora, after charleston. it cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun. and what's become routine, of course, is the response of those who oppose any kind of common sense to gun legislation. right now, i can imagine the press releases being cranked out. we need more guns, they'll argue. fewer gun safety laws. does anybody really believe that?

there are scores of responsible gun owners in this country. they know that's not true. we know because of the polling that says the majority of americans understand we should be changing these laws, including the majority of responsible law-abiding gun owners. there is a gun for roughly every man, woman and child in america. so haw can you, with a straight face, make the argument that more guns will make us safer? we know that states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths. so the notion that gun lows don't work or just will make it harder for law-abiding citizens and criminals will still get their guns, it's not borne out by the evidence. we know that other countries in

response to one mass shooting have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. >> guns are certainly always an issue in these shootings but they're just one issue. there's a combination of things that goes into almost every one of these as we know, all too well. let's bring back dr. sanjay gupta and let's bring in former atf executive matthew horris. i want to unpack the boxes we need to check when assessing these situations. matthew, let me start with you. the first thing we'll hear is, if they had had armed security, allowed kids to carry weapons, teachers, authorized personnel, this guy wouldn't have had the ability to inflict this kind of damage. what is your take? >> well, my take is every time we have one of these incidents, that question comes up. when you get right down to the core, the people who are responsible for schoolings always say we don't want more guns on campuses.

we don't want more guns at elementary schools, middle schools or high schools. the dialogue discontinues and the narrative stays the same. >> when having weapon-on-weapon is an advantage, would security in the school make a difference? what can you speak to on that? >> well, i can say several things. number one, the president makes a very good point. in no other situation in society would we allow this to happen without bringing the people to the table to come up with a coherent solution. we haven't done that. number two, no matter what side of the fence you sit on, no one can argue the facts. almost every week since sandy hook there's been another school shooting in almost every state of the united states with the exception of five. too much, too little, too late, it continues to happen. chris, you and i are having this discussion far too many times every two weeks. >> sanjay, we're going to get the stats of different shootings and things. we'll put them up there for the audience to see.

mental health winds up rearing its head in mass shootings. not in all gun violence. there are plenty of reasons people can just be bad. when you find someone who is said to be suffering from mental health issues, how big a gap is there in the ability to get someone help if they don't want it? >> tremendous gap, chris. really at all levels, from the time that someone is actually able to be recognized as having some sort of mental illness to having a formal diagnosis to get outpatient treatment and most difficult of all, to get inpatient treatment. it has gotten challenging, more so. it's going in the wrong direction, really in terms of actually getting these people help. you're right, though, chris. the tendency always seems to be to talk about mental illness in the wake of one of these tragedies. people with mental illness are more likely to be victims of violent crime as opposed to perpetrators of them.

but it does come up. i think you have the situation where because the system is so broken, family members, friends, people who might otherwise help refer somebody, get somebody help, it doesn't even happen. that process doesn't even start. there's nowhere to go with it, chris. >> two aspects i want your opinion on, sanjay. one, we have representative tim murphy from pennsylvania coming on. he's been bush pushi-- pushing little in the house. to let family members know what doctors say and, two, to help coerce treatment at least for a limbed time. do you think that would be helpful? >> i do. i think ultimately family members and close friends as well, family members certainly are often the front line here. this is one of those things where it can be difficult to detect. certainly early on. so i think being able to have

family members empowered, enabled in this way and to be part of that process is important. >> you know what the other side is. >> coerced is a strong word. >> i used that word. hipaa laws saw you can't disclose information. >> if i substituted the word diabetes or something else, instead of schizophrenia or some other mental illness we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. it's sort of one of these self-fulfilling things, chris, because it becomes so stigmatized that people don't even want to talk about it. they don't want to admit potentially they're getting treatment for this sort of thing. it becomes a real challenge. we talked about parody with regard to mental illness for a long time. parody means that it gets treated the same, not just

financially but in terms of erasing that stigma. we are nowhere close to that right now. so because of that, to your point, chris, i think it's difficult to coerce people into this. because they -- people are legitimately and understandably worried about what the ramifications may be if their treatment, their diagnosis becomes public. >> matthew horace, right now there's no law on the books that would stop someone who doesn't have a record of being adjudicated mentally ill or somehow incarcerated from being stopped by a background check. what law could be designed that would have stopped someone like this from getting a gun. if you don't have a criminal record, you haven't been adjudicated mentally ill, how would you flag someone like this? >> that's a tough call, chris. you have the people that have been diagnosed, the people who have been adjudicated. there are hundreds of thousands of people that haven't gotten to that stage yet that are powder kegs waiting to explode. we see this come up time and

time again. that's the challenge here, chris. >> is the answer more guns or less guns? >> the answer is less guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. that clearly is the answer. >> how do we do that, right? that's the plague. that's the plague. matthew horace, i know we have the conversation too often but it's the only way to get to a conclusion. dr. sanjay gupta, we'll check back with you quickly as well. >> mick? more on the breaking coverage of shooting in oregon ahead. we are also keeping a keen eye on powerful hurricane joaquin. the category 4 storm is battering the bahamas with 130 mile-an-hour winds and heavy rain. it is barreling now toward the east coast of the united states. we are following joaquin's every move with cnn meteorologist chad myers at cnn center in atlanta. of course, this is the question, is it headed towards the east coast? is it going to veer east? what do we know at this hour? >> the cone from the national hurricane center says this does not touch america. the center of the eye does not

touch america. that does not mean that there won't be influns on america because there will be significant flooding from the tropical moisture just in the nature of the storm itself. 130 miles per hour per hour, wind gusts of 160. this has been battering the bahamas for 48 hours. a major hurricane, category 4, down in the bahamas now. it is going to turn to the north, try to turn back to the left a little bit. i don't believe it's going to get there. there are still models out there that say it may get there. i'm not telling you that the chance of landfall is zero. it is not zero. it may be five or ten. even the hurricane center itself will tell you the cone only is supposed to catch hurricanes in that cone 65 to 70% of the time. there could be a left liar or lier. it's all of the moisture coming up from the tropics into the carolinas, georgia, virginia, maybe even d.c. could you imagine d.c. with 5 inches of rain in 24 hours?

that is possible with any one of these cells because there's so much moisture. you walk outside, it is just muggy. look at this map right here, clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. the big ingredient is the tropical moisture heading into the southeast. >> finish the line, alisyn. >> here i am stuck in the middle again. >> with you. >> with you. >> cheryl crowe. >> 11 people killed including 6 u.s. service members and 5 civilian contractors when their military transport plane crashed at jalalabad airport. while the taliban claimed responsibility on twitter, the u.s. military denies hostile fire was involved. they are continuing to investigate the cause of the crash and we, of course, will follow all of those developments. house speaker hopeful kevin mccarthy did what many expected him to do. he is back pedaling on his

controversial comments crediting the benghazi committee for hillary clinton's sinking poll numbers. he claimed to have unintentionally misstated his position, saying he did not mean the investigation was political. instead, he said it was about finding the truth for the families of the four americans killed in the benghazi attacks. however, that is not what he said. more clarification, this time from the vatican, clarifying this morning, explaining the circumstances behind the pope's meeting with kentucky clerk kim davis during his u.s. visit. a deputy vatican spokesman says she was one of several people, several dozen people in fact that pope francis met with briefly at the vatican brs in washingt -- embassy in washington. the only real audience he granted was with one of his former students and his family. his meeting with davis should not be a form of support in of her position in all of its peculiar and complex aspects.

an outraged president obama says mass shootings have become routine in this country. the father of reporter alison parker who, of course, was gunned down on live television has made gun control his mission. he joins us, next.

so i need to collect your phones so you can't post pictures. [screams] okay, how does it feel to not be connected? my chest hurts. well let me give you your phones back. [laughing] let me show you a better way to keep connected. the 2016 chevy cruze offers built in 4g lte wi-fi ® that connects up to seven devices. so this thing puts out its own signal? yes. what? this is next level chevy.

you haven't seen your bedike... in days. no, like you haven't seen a bed in weeks! zzzquil. the non habit-forming sleep aid that helps you sleep easily, and wake refreshed. because sleep is a beautiful thing. decisions, decisions. the new edge+. this one would keep me organized. i could list all the days i've been banned from social media. hmmm, wait this thing has built-in live broadcasting? i don't know what nerd came up with that, but it's awesome. you think they'd censor pippa's doggy-ola's? censored, not censored. censored, not censored. introducing the samsung galaxy s6 edge+ and the note5.

emotional president obama expressing outrage after the mass shooting at that oregon community college. clearly frustrated that more has not been done on gun control. >> our thoughts and prayers are not enough. it's not enough. it does not capture the heartache and grief and anger that we should feel. >> well, our next guest is one of those families who has lost a loved one to gun violence. andy parker, you'll remember his daughter, alison parker was killed in sawing while broadcasting on live television. andy parker jones us now. mr. parker, it is so tragic that we need to talk to you again about something like this but here we are. i can't believe it's only been a month, actually, since your

daughter was so brutally killed, something that the whole country was shaken by. and you said then that you would make it your life's mission to try to fight gun violence. what was yesterday like for you as you heard the news of what happened at this school? >> well, alisyn, it was like a gut punch, again. and my heart broke for the families out there. and it quickly then turned to just absolute rage, because i can't believe that this is continuing. i think the president pretty much nailed it yesterday by saying that we have to politicize this. certainly there are -- there's the mental health component, the hipaa laws that are blocking efforts to identify people that are mentally disturbed but the common denominator here is the two ea too easy access to guns.

that has to change. we have to call these politicians out that are taking blood money from the gun lobby. >> you've written an op-ed for "usa today" in which you say we are engaged in a war in this country, a war between rational people and zealots. a war between good and evil. at first blush you could think you're talking about terrorism there. we know you're talking about gun violence. >> we are talking about domestic terrorism. the fringe groups that are immediately the knee jerk reaction is you're going to take away our guns. that's absolutely not the case. any effort you make to try and make meaningful change, that's what they're going to say. the politicians and these fringe groups are aiding and abetting domestic terrorism. that's the simplest way that i could put it. we are at war.

>> cnn has put together some striking numbers that i want to show you and our viewers. because it compares how many americans have been killed by domestic terrorism or any terrorism, frankly, just americans killed on u.s. soil since 2004 versus u.s. deaths by firearms. look at these numbers. 313 by terrorism and by the way, cnn used a broad definition of terrorism here, they included ft. hood, the man who flew the plane into the irs building and then look at u.s. deaths by firearms. 316,000. okay? exponentially more. you have regrettably become an expert in the past month in this. what gun law could have prevented what happened yesterday? >> well, you know, that's hard to say, because you don't know, but anything that you do -- any

closing of a loophole can make a difference. i wanted to go back to your terrorism comment, alisyn, because one of the nuggets that i learned was that there are a thousand people, a thousand people on the fbi's no-fly list yet the nra successfully backed efforts to allow them to have, to purchase firearms. they can't fly but they can buy weapons. i mean, that is what we're talking about. >> yes. >> the politicians that allow that to happen are aiding and abetting terrorism. they have blood on their hands and i'm going to be going through virginia, because we have every state official -- every state office is up for election in november. it's one of the unique states. and terry mcauliffe, our governor and i are going to be going across the state to identify these cowards that are not doing anything about it and

we're going to call them out. >> you know, you know the argument on the other side, which is if you have stricter gun laws or more gun laws, it's only the bad guys who will get their hands on guns. you state that's a fallacy. you cite what happened in california as a kind of example of positive change through laws that can make a difference. what happened? >> absolutely. the gun violence restraining order. the mechanism is in place throughout the country in states, if someone is threatened they can get a restraining order put on them, if someone feels threatened, but it doesn't include a firearm. which that's ludicrous to think you can put a restraining order on someone but if they have a firearm, that's okay. but in california, they crafted that law to take out firearms,

if there's an instance that justifies taking those out. so that's the kind of change we need to make and the kind of laws that need to happen in virginia and all across the country. >> there you go. mr. andy parker, we're thinking of you and your family as well as all the victims from yesterday. thank you for being on "new day." >> thank you. we'll have more on the college campus massacre. up next, we'll talk with an expert who has developed a test to identify social tendencies. could it also be used to prevent future mass shootings? we'll take a look. laquintays at and fires up free wi-fi, with a network that's now up to 5 times faster than before you know what he can do? let's see if he's ready. he can swim with the sharks! book your next stay at lq.com! with their airline credit card miles. sometimes those seats cost a ridiculous number of miles...

or there's a fee to use them. i know. it's so frustrating. they'd be a lot happier with the capital one venture card. and you would, too! why? it's so easy with venture. you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. just book any flight you want then use your miles to cover the cost. now, that's more like it. what's in your wallet? we were in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen. so i just started poking around on ancestry. then, i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. it turns out i'm scottish. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt.

each sheet is 75% more absorbent charmin ultra mega roll equals mega value. so you can use less with every go.

which means charmin ultra mega roll lasts longer than even the leading thousand-sheet brand. enjoy the go with charmin. digestive core.r so choose ultimate flora by renewlife. it has 30 billion probiotic cultures. feel lighter and more energized. ultimate flora. more power to your gut.

this is cnn breaking news. we're following owl all of the news out of oregon after the massacre on the campus of umpqua community college in roseburg,

oregon. the shooting left nine dead and at least nine wounded. the shooter was also killed. police investigators say the 26-year-old gunman was armed with three handguns and one long gun and enough ammunition for a prolonged fight. the father of one of the injured says the gunman singled out christians during his killing spree. we'll continue to follow all of the details. let's get over to chris and michaela. more often than not when one of these happens, what do we find out? people knew, whether it was a parent or a friend, somebody knew that the shooter wasn't right. they were deranged, isolated, had mental health issues. maybe they had treatment or medication but didn't want to stay on it. why is it so hard to prevent these shootings in light of that? here's somebody who has been taking this question seriously and working toward an answer, dr. kelly posner. she's developed a mental health questionnaire that has proven to help.

doc, it's good to have you here with us. we've known each other a long time. you've talked about this almost incessantly when something like this happens. what can help move toward a solution? >> chris, we know 90% of shooters have well documented suicidal issues. if we screen, that means just asking a few questions, that will give us a chance to identify these people before things like this happen. not lenly do 90% have well-documented issues that can help us catch them but almost a third of them say that suicide was their motive. 90% of shooters -- i'm sorry, 60% of shooters have had clear depression, extreme depression or desperation yet only a small percentage have had any kind of mental health evaluation. >> this questionnaire, i think we have an example of the one of the questions. i think it's important to understand the line of questioning. let's put it up. have you wished you were dead or

have you wished you could go to sleep and not wake up? that's counting on the person to self-report and to be honest. in those cases of 90%, can you trust that they will be forthcoming? >> yes. actually, you can. most people who are suffering, actually want help. >> it's a cry for help? >> and the problem is people don't ask them the questions. 50% of suicides have seen their primary care doctor the month before they die. we should be asking these questions like we monitor for blood pressure. everybody, everywhere. and we can't rely on people to come and tell us. so, yes, we can. and one of the very helpful things about these questions, is it's tiered. if they answer that, the question is, have you had thoughts of killing yourself? if that's no, you move on to a behavior question. if it's yes, you get into the more serious questions that help us identify people at high risk.

>> it's not academic. it's practical. you've put it to use and seen it work. where and how? >> phenomenally, actually. it's been used all over the world, from the schools in south africa to local police chiefs. >> even the military, right? >> yes, 117 languages. it's been rolled out throughout the entire army. the marines did a total force rollout and went to all 16 installati installations, including okinawa and trained every support worker. >> it's interesting. you think it has to be institutional, instructional. i was reading your material, the case for even making sure the janitor is armed with some of these questions. you say any person that comes in contact with somebody who has suicidal feelings can have an impact. >> exactly. because there may be places -- you know, i went this big hospital system said we trained the janitors and this clinician who had worked with the v.a. said, exactly, i'll never forget that case where the other person

that vet spoke to was the janitor. it doesn't mean the janitor will ever need to ask those questions. if he's in that position where he does, he will. the marines, every time a lawyer or clergy met with a marine, they are a screener. in tennessee, the largest provider in the country of outpatient care, they reduced their suicide rate by 65% in 20 months. you know what, they brought it to life by telling a story about this man who they had called a few times and he said he was fine. the last time he said you called me and asked me those questions. i was on the bridge. if you hadn't, i wouldn't be alive. >> what's the overlap between somebody who wants to commit suicide and kill other people. is there an overlap? >> almost a third of them say suicide is actually their motive and 90% of them have suicidal

issues. i'm not saying that that's the reason they're doing it always but it's a way to identify them. there is tremendous overlap. >> why hasn't it happened? >> that's the next question. why is it not widely used? why aren't all medical professionals using this, schools, institutions? >> sometimes it's just about how you get the message out there, which is why i'm so grateful for this tune. there are about 40, 45 states that have started to go top down, that means schools, police. do you think a policeman wants to hospitalize somebody unnecessarily? definitely not. the fact that entire communities can do this. i want to say, it is imperative that the national suicide prevention strategy implement community trainings where, you know, on suicide prevention and stress management and part of that is about asking. we say just ask. >> just ask. >> it may save a live.

>> dr. kelly posner, thank you for coming on. this is something we care intensely about it. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> alisyn. >> great conversation, guys. we're following all the breaks news. president obamaed amonday iring the country for not fighting more against gun violence. will lawmakers finally act? we'll ask one, coming up. ...deserve irresistibles treats. new from meow mix, with real salmon, chicken or tuna. the only treat cats ask for by name.

awe believe active management can protect capital long term. active management can tap global insights. active management can take calculated risks. active management can seek to outperform. because active investment management isn't reactive. it's active. that's the power of active management.

want bladder leak underwear that try always discreet underwear and move, groove, wiggle, giggle, swerve, curve. lift, shift, ride, glide, hit your stride. only always discreet underwear has soft dual leak guard barriers to help stop leaks where they happen most and a discreet fit that hugs your curves, you barely feel it. always discreet underwear so bladder leaks can feel like no big deal. because hey, pee happens. get your free pair and valuable coupons at always discreet.com

authorities may release the identity that matters today. that would be of the oregon shooting victims. nine people were killed, at least nine others wounded by a deranged gunman on the umpqua community college. the gunman singled christians. authorities are interviewing family and friends. the goal, to figure out if he could have been stopped. >> more gun violence to tell you about, a 6-month-old baby girl was shot and killed in cleveland, ohio while riding in a car with her mother and two other passengers.

police are still hunting for the shooter. the baby becomes the third child shot and killed in cleveland this past month. it's prompted hometown hero lebron james to tweet several pleas to stop the violence. the u.s. making it clear, it will continue with military action in syria. the real issue is whether russia and the u.s. will collide while trying to carry out apparently very different missions in syria. white house officials charge that moscow is targeting syrian opposition groups, including those backed by the u.s. to support its ally, president bashar al assad. russia's foreign minister denies those allegations. president obama calling on the country to find the courage to change. in the wake of the deadly gun violence in oregon. we'll speak to a texas lawmaker who is a gun rights advocate about what he thinks. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain...

shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain.

tell 'em cedric sent you. i tried depend last weekend. it really made the difference between a morning around the house and getting a little exercise. only depend underwear has new confidence core technology for fast absorption and the smooth, comfortable fit of fit-flex™ protection. get a coupon at depend.com when broker chris hill stays at laquinta he fires up the free wifi, with a network that's now up to 5 times faster than before! so he can rapidly prepare his presentation. and when he perfects his pitch, do you know what chris can do? and that is my recommendation. let's see if he's ready. he can swim with the sharks! he's ready. la quinta inns & suites take care of you, so you can take care of business. book your next stay at lq.com! la quinta! if an electric toothbrush was going to clean better than a manual. he said sure... but don't get just any one. get one inspired by dentists. with a round brush head. go pro with oral-b.

oral-b's rounded brush head cups your teeth to break up plaque, and rotates to sweep it away. and oral-b delivers a clinically proven superior clean vs. sonicare diamond clean. my mouth feels super clean. oral-b. know you're getting a superior clean. i'm never going back to a manual brush.

.

around outraged president obama admonishing the country for not fighting gun violence more effectively. the president calling on the country to, quote, find the courage to change. joining us now is the chairman of the homeland security committee. congressman mccall, thanks for being in studio. this seems like deja vu all over again in the most sickening way. you are chair of the house homeland security committee. we've been focused on terrorism and we know the reports you've been issuing about that. does it feel this morning as maybe you're focused on wrong thing and gun violence is what we should be talking about with homeland security? >> a lot of terror events that happen involve weapons. there are warning signs usually along the way that we miss. this obviously looks like a case of mental illness. we've seen this story way too many times in the past. i think we have a mental illness crisis in this country. i'm not sure what law could have possibly stopped this from happening. it shows we need to deal with

mental illness more effectively. >> you see this as an issue of mental illness. you don't see this as an issue of too many guns in the hands of the wrong people? >> i was a federal prosecutor, prosecuted gang cases. if you're mentally defective under the law you can't purchase a weapon. i don't know that it's nosily that we need more laws, we need to treat mental illness. and if someone is mentally ill, those signs should come up with family, friends and the gun dealer. >> but how can the gun dealer know that you're mentally ill? there's no national data base of people becoming unhinged. how can the gun dealer ever know of that? >> if somebody is a little bit off or maybe they're changing or radicalizing as a terrorist, those signs are sometimes hard to spot. you're talking about a second amendment right and the constitution as well. and so to deny that right, just on a hunch, raises all sorts of legal questions as well. i think part of the problem is

addressing mental illness, having people identify people in the family or friends who seem to be off, a little off base. just like in terrorism, we talk about radicalization. the warning signs of radicalization, spotting those early, getting them on the off ramp so we can treat them, so we can stop this kind of violence from happening. >> you and i have had many conversations about terrorism and what to do about it and how much it scares americans. cnn has put together overnight the numbers of americans killed by terrorism since 2004 versus by gun violence. look at the numbers. there are 313 u.s. deaths from terrorism. by the way, cnn took a broad approach to what they call terrorism. they couldn'ted the ft. hood shooting, they counted the plane crash into the austin irs building, they counted the sikh building.

>> one number i don't see on this chart are the 3,000 who died on 9/11 in this city. >> yes, this was since 2004. we weren't counting 9/11. firearms are so much more. is there nothing congress can do? >> again, i mean, congress will look at this issue. most of these cases are mental health, mental illness cases. >> what can you do about that? what more could you do, if it's just mental illness, keeping guns out of the mentally ill? what law? >> there's a law on the books already, if you've been adjudicated mentally ill, you cannot purchase a firearm. at what point is someone denied the constitution.t right under - currently under the law it's a judge that does that. >> the problem is a lot of these people get their hands on firearms before they're adjudicated mentally ill.

they haven't committed necessarily a crime that's gotten them into jail before or the system. but they are unhinged. i mean, listen, it sounds like you're saying there's not much more we can do. >> i think the obligation as citizens in the country to identify friends or family who are going down this path. in every case, you'll see in this case as well, i'm sure people will come out of the woodwork saying, yes, he was saying crazy things and yet it was never reported to authorities. >> okay. >> a lot of this can be stopped if that was brought to the attention. >> let's talk about that. if somebody had raised a red flag and said this person appears to be becoming more violent or more unhinged, then would you be comfortable with police going in and taking away their firearms? >> i think you would have to have a psychiatric evaluation to determine whether that person is qualified to own a firearm. and under the law, you have to be mentally adjudicated, mentally defective.

i think we have a mental illness crisis in this country. we have veterans returning with ptsd. we have mental health issues out there that need to be addressed and dealt with. i don't think passing another gun law on the book, no gun law probably could have stopped this case. tell me what law could have been passed to stop this case. >> maybe if there were more background checks, wherever he was -- we don't know yet, the history of how he got the gun. >> we don't have all the evidence. the president came out without knowing all the facts. i don't know all the facts in this case. i don't know how he purchased his firearm. and i don't know what the signs were of mental illness prior to his purchase. >> here's what the president had to say in terms of a challenge to congress about this. listen. >> we spend over a trillion dollars and passed countless laws and devote entire agencies to preventing terrorist attacks on our soil. rightfully so.

and yet we have a congress that explicitly blocks us from even collecting data on how we could potentially reduce gun deaths. how can that be? >> how about that, congressman? how about more collection of data? how about more of a database that flags people? how about anything? >> you're getting into privacy issues as well. someone has -- goes to a psychiatrist, do you want the government taking those health records and putting it into a database? >> right. this is exactly what you're talking about in terms s of -- m mental health needs to be flagged. what's your answer? >> we spend billions of dollars militarily keeping the threat out of the united states. we do very little towards prevention of combatting violent extremists in the united states, those who radicalize.

we're doing very little to stop that. i think the same argument applies here. he's right. we're applying all this money to counterterrorism as we should. but looking very little at prevention. i think this is where the health community needs to step up. i think people, average citizens in the country who see family members who see friends, who are becoming mentally ill, the warning signs, these need to be identified and treated. but to take someone's private medical records, there's a law, a hipaa violation under federal law, to take those mental health records and put it into a federal database. you'd be discouraging a person from going to a psychiatrist in the first place. >> obviously it's complicated or we would have solved it already. >> thank you. we're following a lot of news this morning. so let's get right to it. there's been another mass

shooting in america. >> somebody is outside one of the doors shooting through the door. >> i yelled at her, there's a shooting, get in the building. >> multiple shots were fired. >> at least ten people are dead. >> he came in and there was gunfire immediately. >> people were running away from the building. i knew exactly what had just happened. >> what was going through your mined? >> i hope i make it. >> asking people one by one what their religion was. >> we are the only advanced country on earth that sees these kind of mass shootings every few months. >> there may have been overwhelming sense of rejection. >> this is something we should politicize. this is cnn breaking news. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. you're watching "new day." we are following breaking news for you on the campus massacre in oregon. authorities have identified the shooter. what they do not know is why he opened fire. nine people were killed and at least nine others wounded. did he target christians in in killing spree?

>> some of the victims and witnesses say that's exactly what happened. that they were targeted because of faith. what was the motivation is unknown. meanwhile, president obama is outraged saying new gun laws, not prayers, are needed to stop the violence. we have every angle of the story covered as only cnn can. let's start with cnn's ana cabrera in roseburg, oregon. the latest? >> reporter: good morning to you, chris and alisyn. there are more than 100 investigators, state, federal, local investigators all searching for answers to what happened and why. this is a very small town, seems everybody here has been touched by this tragedy. and this morning, we're hearing more from the students here at this college describing the horror as that gunman opened fire. overnight, a massive candle light vigil for the victims of umpqua community college's

deadly mass shooting. disturbing new details coming from a father whose daughter was hit in the back by a bullet, describing how the gunman targeted those who said they were christian. >> are you a christian, he would ask them. and if you're a christian, stand up. they would stand up and he said, good, because you're a christian, you're going to see god in just about one second and then he shot and killed them. he kept going down the line doing this. to people. >> reporter: thursday morning, around 10:38 a.m., 911 dispatch receives the first calls for help. >> the active shooter, ucc, 1140 umpqua college road. >> somebody is outside one of the doors, shooting through the door. >> reporter: oregon plos say the 26-year-old gunman was carrying body armor and loads of ammuniti ammunition, enough for a prolonged gun fight, along with three pistols and one long rifle. entering a classroom, he opened fire, shooting a teacher at pointblank range according to witnesses. students overheard the gunshots. >> it was rapid fire over and

over and over again. you could hear the people -- you could hear them moving and crying. >> i said to the teacher, we need to get out of here right now. we heard the second and third gunshots. >> reporter: within minutes, officers swarmed the campus. >> he's in a classroom. >> exchanging gunshots with the male. he's in the classroom on the southeast side of snyder hall. >> reporter: the shooting began in snyder hall but it didn't end there, the shooter continued his rampage into the science building, casualties found in at least two different classrooms. >> i will not name the shooter. i will not give him the credit he probably sought prior to this horrific and cowardly act. >> reporter: the gunman shot dead at the scene. now, the sheriff praising some heroic actions of two officers who were the first to arrive within minutes of those 911 calls.

when you think about that, this is normally a gun-free college. we've learned that there were no armed security officers on campus at the time. you think about the ammunition, the number of guns this shooter had. it's likely that the responding officers' quick actions may have saved lives. chris, alisyn? >> thanks so much for the latest. we know at least nine people were injured. the mass shooting at umpqua community college. for more on the victim's condition, let's go to cnn's chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. what are you learned, sanjay? >> reporter: well, we're about five miles away from the scene. this is a relatively small town, alisyn. we know that ten injured were originally brought here, one person died in the emergency room here behind me. and the other nine patients, three of them were transferred to another hospital. they were all women, between the ages of 18 and 34. they all suffered gunshot wounds

to the head. they're being cared for in another hospital. four patients got operations in this hospital overnight. we know one person still remains in critical condition. everyone now in this hospital behind me expected to recover. they're saying that cautiously but that is the expectation. i should also point out, this particular hospital has been through this sort of thing before. they describe themselves as seasoned. why? because back in 1998 there was a similar mass shooting, 23 people were injured and brought to this hospital and others in this area. so this is a community, this is a hospital that has seen this sort of thing before. michaela? >> too many times before we've seen this as a nation as well. sanjay, thanks so much. we'll be checking in with you again. meanwhile, federal and local investigators are digging up disturbing new information about that 26-year-old killer. why? why did he do it? what caused him to gun down ninen in the people? were signs missed? cnn's deborah feyerick is here

with the latest for us. what are we learning. >> reporter: that's exactly what investigators are looking at. here's what we know so far of the gunman, we take a look. we know he is 26 years old. his name is christopher harper mercer. he, according to "the new york times," witnesses say that he wore military type clothing a lot. he had a very close relationship to his mother. now, his mother was interviewed along withis father. the mom, apparently lives in douglas county, oregon, very close to the college. that's where the college is as a matter of fact. there's an e-mail address that links this man, the gunman to the college. his name also appears in a theater listing where he's described as a production assistant. his dad who does live in southern california did speak to the media after he identified his son. >> any questions right now? >> obviously it's been a

devastating day. devastating to for me and my family. all i ask is, i know you are here to do your job. all i ask is please respect our privacy. so far you've done that. >> any surprise at all? >> shocked. shocked is all i can say. >> and you can just see how emotional the father is. as far as the gunman's online profile, what we can tell you, he was on a website where people share different kinds of information. he posted five times since july. he references two shootings, one of them is the shooting of the virginia tech reporters. he also references a shooting by -- of a police officer near houston who was executed at a gas station. what we do know is some of the arsenal, some of the weaponry he was carrying. he had a long gun, he also had three handguns. he was in the possession of body armor. he had ammunition as you heard ana cabrera reference. he went not to one class but two

classes. on that blog site we're getting a little bit of information. he talks about being alone and unknown. he says, seems the more people you kill, the more in the limelight you will be. investigators now looking as to whether his motive was to question the religion of those that he shot. guys? >> deb, you and i know all too well this fits a pattern that he was deranged, that he did this, people knew things but couldn't get him help. he didn't want help. a lot of the story repeats itself. in fact, 15 times. that's the number times president obama has taken to a podium following a mass shooting. he is very angry about what he says has become all too common. take a listen. >> and, of course, what's also routine is that somebody, somewhere will comment and say, obama politicized this issue. well, this is something we should politicize. it is relevant to our common

life together, to the body politic. i would ask news organizations, because i won't put these facts forward, have news organizations tally up the number of americans who have been killed through terrorist attacks over the last decade and the number of americans who have been killed by gun violence. and post those side by side on your news reports. this won't be information coming from me. it will be coming from you. we spend over a trillion dollars and pass countless laws and devote entire agencies to preventing terrorist attacks on our soil and rightfully so. and yet, we have a congress that explicitly blocks us from even collecting data on how we could potentially reduce gun deaths.

how can that be? this is a political choice that we make. to allow this to happen every few months in america. we collectively are answerable to those families. who lose their loved ones because of our inaction. >> but inaction on what front? what law would have made a difference? what might make a difference? to get insight into how important this fight is for president obama and really, frankly, all of us, former senior adviser, cnn political commentator, dan pfeiffer. the president's frustration is obvious. it has been in the past. the focus on gun laws when something like this happens, what law would have made a difference here? >> i don't know that we know all the details yet about what would

make a difference here. >> let's see if it fits the pattern. he was deranged. people knew it but they couldn't get him help. he felt isolated. he was able to go online or a store and buy weapons. >> the united states have a monopoly on the mentally ill, sort of disenchanted, disenfranchised use like this. we have more shootings like this then than any other country in the world. our guns are more lax. doesn't mean any law we pass will solve all of them or stop all of them but the idea that we would do nothing -- >> don't we have more gun laws than anywhere else in the world. >> there is greater access to guns here than any other area. australia they had one mass shooting, changed the laws. they haven't had one since then.

>> for the president's second term, there's been a mass shooting every week. >> newtown was so hideous, it shook the country so deeply. it felt like if there was ever a time there would be a tipping point it would be after newtown with all of those little children killed. i believe that the president, after that, did propose all sorts of things, an initiative that consisted of 23 executive actions and 3 presidential memoranda, most of which would have needed congressional approval. the president has taken executive action to bypass other things such as immigration. if he feels this strongly, why not go around congress. >> he took a number of steps. there are limits in terms of what you can do on their own. i'm confident the white house people can get through any additional steps they would make. although many positions have significant support among

republicans in terms of public opinion, people who are for additional common sense gun safely laws are getting outworked, outorganized by the nra. until politicians in washington are more afraid of the average voter than they are the nra, we'll be stuck right where we are after newtown, another tragedy, politicians go out and say, i send my thousands and prayers, the news media covers it and nothing happens. >> you know why that is. full disclosure. i'm a gun owner. when you look at gun laws, okay, you're going to come up with as many ways as you can to keep something like me from getting a gun. a bad guy will be able to find 100 ways to do it, person-to-person sales, secondary market sales, online sales. you really are just restricting the lawful, not the unlawful. >> that's not what we're trying to do here. what is important -- the argument can't be we're going to do something or nothing. right? there are a set of common sense things. i don't think closing the gun show loophole or background checks or limiting assault

rifles -- >> what about enforcing the laws on the books more? why don't we make it if you catch somebody in the commission of a crime with a gun, they go away forever. why not put money into mental health. >> we should do all of those things. the argument can't be we're going to do nothing. you hear republicans say enforce the law. do you know who has been blocking for years and years and years funding for the atf? republicans. we need no additional laws. just enforce what we have. this is not true. the states that have tougher gun laws have fewer deaths. >> about enforcement. >> it does not mean we should do nothing else. >> those areas we say we should do things on, we do nothing on them. mental health matters and we don't do anything on it. >> there are a number of executive actions, put those in place. there's an effort in congress. there's more to be done.

it shouldn't be just that we're not going to make the common sense steps that clearly we've seen on the state level. no reason we can't do this federally. >> dan pfeiffer, thanks for being on "new day." we want to go right now. we are joined by the oregon governor kate brown. thank you so much for being on "new day" on this terrible day in your state. can you tell us what you've learned in the past 12 hours about what happened? >> well, my focus right now is on supporting the entire community of roseburg and helping the students and families heal. >> governor, will this tragedy make you reconsider anything about how you do business in your state? will you want to change anything, be it gun laws, be it dealing with the mentally ill, whatever? will you change something because of this? >> it's very clear that these types of tragedies must end, not

only here in oregon but across the country. but today, along with my fellow oregonens, i'm focused on providing comfort and care to the families of roseburg. >> yes. governor, you know, we've just been having this conversation because there's just this feeling of resignation in the country. you heard it from president obama. you heard it in his voice. he's had to make these speeches too many times. you as a governor and other governors across the country having to come out and comfort victims, it feels as though we have to be able to get our arms around this situation. and yet, today, it's hard for anybody to come up with a solution. do you have any thoughts on this? >> those are conversations for the days ahead. right now, i'm focused, along with oregonians across the

state. we're hearing from oregonians from across the state, they're sending donations, they're sending their support and they are sending their blood to help support, comfort and care for this roseburg community and the students at umpqua community college. >> let's talk about the victims, nine lives lost and at least nine injured. do you have any update on the status of those injured? >> those details i will leave to law enforcement at this time. >> the sheriff who is investigating this said yesterday that he's not going to name the shooter. and in fact we do have just scant details about the shooter. we are happy to oblige. we don't need to name the shooter. we don't need to know much about the shooter but it does help to know if there was any sort of motive or what his background is, because, of course, everyone tries to see if there were any red flags or anything that can

change in the future. do you know anything about the investigation? >> i hope those answers will come in the future. right now, the community of roseburg needs our support and i would ask that my fellow americans send thoughts and prayers as this community begins to heal. >> everyone is, governor. everyone around the country are sending their prayers for their community. do you know anything about reports that we've heard from the surviving victims that christians were targeted? >> again, i'll leave those details to law enforcement at this time. my focus is providing support to the families. i will be meeting with administration and staff at umpqua community college today to offer my condolences. i will be offering my condolences to the family. and i will be meeting with our

law enforcement community, firefighters, police officers, first responders, who did an incredible job yesterday under very difficult and harrowing circumstances. >> governor kate brown, our prayers are with you and your community as you move forward. thank you for joining us. the community of roseburg, oregon, a small pacific northwest city along the i-5 corridor in oregon, rocked by that college massacre. ahead, we'll get the latest on the investigation from the local sheriff. >>mine hurt more.. >>mine stopped hurting faster! neosporin plus pain relief starts relieving pain faster and kills more types of infectious bacteria neosporin plus pain relief kills the germs. fights the pain. use with band-aid brand. they speak louder. we like that. not just because we're doers. because we're changing. big things.

small things. spur of the moment things. changes you'll notice. wherever you are in the world. sheraton. we'll be with you shortly.. yeah right... xerox predictive analytics help companies provide a better and faster customer experience. hello mr. kent. can i rebook your flight? i'm here! customer care can work better. with xerox. wait i'm here! mr. kent? (gasp) shark diving! xerox personalized employee portals help companies make benefits simple and accessible... from anywhere. hula dancing?

cliff jumping! human resources can work better. with xerox.

you totalled your brand new car. nobody's hurt,but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do, drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. new car replacement is just one of the features that come standard with a base liberty mutual policy. and for drivers with accident forgiveness,rates won't go up due to your first accident. learn more by calling switch to liberty mutual and you can save up to $509. for a free quote today,call liberty mutual insurance at see car insurance in a whole new light.

liberty mutual insurance. we have more breaking coverage of the campus massacre at umpqua community college in oregon. 26-year-old gunman opening fire, killing nine people, wounding at least nine others. this shooting fits a pattern we've seen too often. one of the good pieces of news in this is that he was stopped by police before he could do more damage. the man responsible for that, douglas county sheriff, john ha hanlon and his men and women. what do you know from those responding at the scene to what the intentions of this shooter were before -- beyond what he had already done? >> good morning, chris. obviously we're still early into this investigation. detectives have been working all

night, conducting follow-up investigates, going door to door, canvassing neighborhoods, trying to develop more information into this horrific act. they've done a complete sweep of the college. they've been processing the scene. they've been to the residence of the shooter. again, it's really too early to tell what the motive was. >> he was armed to the teeth and bringing it to those who responded to the scene. that's why they had to take him out, yes? >> that's correct. >> now, when these situations happen, of course, it's new to where you are up there and thank god for that. we often ask the question how do we avoid it the next time? you've taken a step in that direction. you say i'm not going to tell you this guy's name because he doesn't deserve the notoriety

for this. there should be no up side to what he did. that's something that's been debated in the world of journalism. we applaud you for it here on "new day." what fuels that decision? >> i'm sorry, what was the last part of that question? >> why take that? usually law enforcement puts out the information pro forma. you don't want to do it. why? >> no, i don't. i don't want to glorify the shooter. i i don't want to glorify his name. i don't want to glorify his cause. in order to prevent that, i'm refusing to state his name. the oregon state medical examiner's office will put out a notice identifying who the shooter is, but, again, that's the only information that will come out. you won't hear his name from me or from this investigation. >> have you heard from those processing the scene whether or not it is true that he was asking people about their faith?

>> i haven't heard that. again, we hope to get some of those answers and details of the actual shooting and what transpired in the classroom as this investigation progresses. >> how do you stop a man like this from getting a gun? >> you know, the debate and the discussion over firearms is going to occur. now is not the time. we want to focus on completing this investigation, doing a thorough investigation and more importantly, we want to focus on ensring that the vict ensuring that the victims and family of victims make it through this difficult time. >> in the past, you've taken opportunities to talk about it, because this is when we talk about it. in the moment of crisis is when it matters. when it fades, only the families are left carrying the legacy of the burden in these situations. in the past, you've said gun laws aren't the answer.

you wrote a letter to joe biden saying i'm not going to enforce gun laws because they're an infringement of constitutional rights. what do you believe the line is. >> again, chris, i want to stay focused on completing this investigation and focus on the families of the victims. the discussion over firearms and control of firearms will occur. i'll dime in at a later time. now is not that time. >> the families of the victims are going to ask for this to not happen again. you're going to learn this firsthand. those of us who have covered these have learned it dozens of times. that's what they're going to want. please don't let this happen again. guns will come up, mental health will come up and what we can do about it. in your mind do you believe we're a law away from this not having happened? >> i can't tell you one way or the other at this point. >> do you think that that

discussion is part of the solution in situations like this? or do you think it's avoiding what the answer to the solution is? >> do i think the discussion surrounding firearms -- >> yes. >> and the control of firearms is the solution? >> yes. do you think it's part of the solution? >> it's certainly got to be part of the discussion. the discussion has to occur. but, again, i want to stay focused on this investigation. i want to stay focused on ensuring that the investigation is conducted thoroughly and concisely. i want to ensure that this community has an opportunity to heal as well as the victims' families. right now, that is my focus. >> i totally hear you on that. it's something we observe scrupulously every time. i say every time because i've been to more of these than i have probably been to anything else when it comes to news coverage. i think it is respecting the families. i do think it is part of the

healing process. what they want most is to not see this again. what do you think of what president obama just said that we are fooling ourselves and we're not caring about each other if we continue to ignore the role of guns in these crimes? >> well, respectfully, chris, i'm not going to get involved in the gun debate at this point. >> why am i pushing you on this, sheriff? it's not because i don't want to respect the victims. you weighed in on it in the past. i want to know if your perspective is different being knee deep in one of these situations. >> my position on it has not changed. >> you still believe it's not about gun laws, it's not about uniform background checks, none of those things would help, sir? >> again, i want to stay focused on this investigation and the welfare of the community and the welfare of the families and the victims in this horrific incident. i'm not going to waste the time

today or any time in the real near future having the firearm debate. >> sheriff, look, no one is going to fault you for that. take care of your community. take care of that scene. no one can ask for more than that. i will tell you, you should weigh in on this. it matters. it matters every time. the problem is, the conversation ends too soon. what direction it should go, we have to leave that to the collective. but it's certainly a conversation to have, the earlier we have it, the better, because it gives us an opportunity to do something more. i respect your position on it. take care of your community. let us know how we can help, sir. >> thank you. >> all right, sheriff, appreciate it. that community of roseburg, oregon shaken to its core by this shooting. what happened inside that school during the shooting? we'll hear from a survivor, next.

before earning enough cash back from bank of america to take their act to the next level... before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time... 2% back at the grocery store... and 3% back on gas... vince of the flying branzinos got a bankamericard cash rewards credit card, because he may earn his living jumping through hoops,

but he'd rather not earn cash back that way. that's the spectacle of rewarding connections. apply online or at a bank of america near you. ...of fixodent plus adhesives. they help your denture hold strong more like natural teeth. and you can eat even tough food. fixodent. strong more like natural teeth. fixodent and forget it.

this is cnn breaking news. yes, we are continuing to follow this breaking news, terrible news out of oregon. that massacre on the campus of umpqua college, the community college there in roseburg. nine people killed by a gunman, nine others wounded. the shooter was also killed. police investigator say the 26-year-old shooter came to the school, he was heavily armed. he had three handguns, a long gun and had with him body armor and enough ammunition for what they say could have been a prolonged fight. president obama says the country has become numb to mass shootings that have become somewhat routine. he's calling for a change to gun laws. >> we go to cassandra who was in the classroom next door. we know it's been a long night for you. it's only 4:30 your time. how are you doing? >> yes. i'm not doing so good.

i've been better, obviously. >> cassandra, what happened? >> haven't slept since -- >> tell us about when you were in your classroom and what you first saw and heard. >> it was just a normal day. all my classmates and i were just on the computer lab, on the computers, right next door in snyder 16. and we were doing our work and our teacher was just talking to us about what we were going to do today, how we were going to -- what was the plan for the day. and then my teacher actually left to go get some papers and then within five seconds later, we heard -- i heard a -- all my classmates and i heard a really loud noise. it sounded like a book being dropped or a table that fell down. so we all jumped, didn't know what it was. we asked this guy in our classroom. he said maybe it's a gunshot. he said if it's a gunshot, it's going to echo. it was honestly pretty loud.

so then this classmate of mine went out to the door and she stepped outside to go see the next classroom right next door and she -- when she came back in, the shooter shot her in the arm, the left arm, and the lower abdomen and she collapsed in front of the doorway. so then the doorway is open and her friend over there, we pull -- she pull the door open, locks it, turned off the light and then she's trying to do cpr on her friend as we're all in panic mode at that point. >> oh, my god, cassandra. do you know what happened to that classmate that was shot? did she live? >> last i heard she wasn't but i don't know if that's correct or not. >> so you hear an incredibly loud noise. you don't know if it's a balloon popping or a desk collapsing, one of your classmates gets up and she herself is shot by the gunman. another classmate locks your door. what happens in your classroom?

did you all take cover? what happened next? >> well, you know as a teacher -- i told you the teacher wasn't there. so we pretty much had to take control as students. we came together, we took control, barricaded into the right corner of the classroom and called 911 immediately. i tried to get 911 on the phone and the line was busy. i called repeatedly. they said are you calling from the umpqua community college shooting? i said, yes, i am. there's a woman shot in our classroom, can you please hurry. i called my mom right away. and i was just in panic. and i called my mom to tell her there's a shooting. she didn't understand me at first. i said mom, there's a shooting at school. i was just in complete shock. >> and you were on the phone with your mother as all of the next events unfolded. you stayed on the phone with your mother. tell me what that conversation was like. >> you know, i tried to talk to her. it was just really hard.

i was overwhelmed and terrified for my life at that point. i was saying a love you a lot to her. she was saying it back. it was an emotional time for both of us. my dad was also there, too. it was emotional for all of us at that point. >> were you telling your mother what you were hearing and seeing and was she telling you what to do? >> she said to barricade the door, barricade the doors and get down on the ground. you know, i'm on the ground and i'm just afraid to get up. so we didn't barricade the door that he was -- you can't intent from inside the door. i was listening to what she was telling me to do. she was saying you're going to be okay, you're going to be okay. i was so terrified. >> could you hear the gunman saying anything, cassandra? >> i couldn't hear him say anything. there's a crack underneath the door. i saw footsteps and shadows it

looked like. that's what i saw. i honestly did not hear anything. i think i was too far away or i wasn't paying -- i was listening to the shots after shots after shots. >> cassandra, the scene you're describing is so terrifying that even i am having a physical reaction just imagining what it was like for you. how did you and your classmates stay quiet while all of this was happening and hiding in your classroom? >> we tried to stay as quiet as we could. i was on the phone with my mom. i told her to talk to me. the gunman is either next door or somewhere nearby. and i was worried for all my classmates and my life. it was just horrific. >> how did you all know when it was safe to come out? >> then i saw police -- i saw like a s.w.a.t. person.

they said they were yelling get down, get down to the shooter and then i heard a couple more shots and i'm assuming they shot him and then they tried -- they tried to come into our classroom. the door was locked. we opened the door frantically. they said the shooter is down, you're safe. stay in here. we need your information, your name, number, phone number, address or what you saw or witnessed. >> cassandra, do you know this gunman? >> no. i have never seen him in my entire life or my three years at ucc or anything in roseburg. >> cassandra, we are so sorry that this happened to you and your classmates. we're so sorry for your loss. thank you for telling us about everything you endured yesterday. thanks so much for being on. >> thank you. >> let's get over to chris. >> that poor young woman and all her classmates. how many times have we seen faces like hers, blank and numb with the shock of what they had to find a way to endure and how

savvy people are coming now that they have gotten familiar with the fact that this could happen and how they respond. the big question still remains why, why did this 26-year-old person do this? we'll speak swt formwith the fo president of the school about the impact and the need for change. second his room is ready, ya know what he becomes? great proposal! let's talk more over golf. great. how about over tennis? even better. a game changer! the ready for you alert, only at lq.com. when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most.

that detergand we'll have to like half thuse like double! maybe more! i'm going back to the store? yes you are. dish issues? get cascade complete. one pac cleans tough food better than 6 pacs of the bargain brand combined. cascade. now that's clean. you premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah... surprise...

your insurance company tells you to pay up again. why pay for insurance if you have to pay even more for using it? if you have liberty mutual deductible fund™, you could pay no deductible at all. sign up to immediately lower your deductible by $100. and keep lowering it $100 annually, until it's gone. then continue to earn that $100 every year. there's no limit to how much you can earn and this savings applies to every vehicle on your policy. call to learn more. switch to liberty mutual and you could save up to $509. call liberty mutual for a free quote today at see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance.

the massacre on the campus of umpqua community college is ravaging that small community of roseburg, oregon. nine were killed, nine others at least were wounded. joining us now is a man who feels this incident so termly deeply, joel olsen is the former president of umpqua community college. in fact, sir, i understand you just retired. but you feel very, very connected to this school. you say you love this school. it's where your heart is. your heart must be torn in two this morning. >> well, michaela, that's correct. and you know, it's difficult to put into words how i feel. i'm very emotional about my role

in this community. i love this community. there are no words to express what this has done to this community. >> there are no words. i'm sure. because i think we're all struggling with this. we as journalists have covered this kind of story of mass shootings all too many times. i know there are too many communities and too many people just like youen stading the ens trying to make sense of this. there was a vigil last night. you were there, i understand. is that the sense you get from everyone in roseburg, they're just struggling to understand why and why roseburg? >> well, you know, i was there at the vigil last night and one of the things that took me back, if you will, in terms of emotions, is how many people were there. there were hundreds of people there.

the sentiments were pretty much the same. people were still in shock. >> i bet. >> and we're struggling, as so many other communities have done, as you mentioned. >> right. >> we've covered this way too often. i wonder when this country will come to grips with the issues about guns and weapons and how people seem to take them, to take out their own anger and cause so much harm and so much danger and so much pain to the communities that we're in. >> i understand that that was a real moment of debate on your campus last year. we know you have security personnel on your campus. but that there was a debate, a heated, a tough debate about whether to arm the security personnel on the campus of

umpqua community college and the school opted to not do that. give us a little insight. do you think there are many regretting that now? >> you know, i can't speak to that, whether or not people regret it. it was my decision to begin the debate, because on campus we try and have an environment where people can express their own opinion. it was absolutely, you know, split right down the middle, 50/50. >> interesting. >> in terms of whether or not we should have armed security officers or whether we should have unarmed security officers. it was my decision, based upon, you know, the input that i took from faculty and staff and students to not have armed security. >> how do you feel about that decision now? >> i think it was the right decision.

you know, when a shooter comes to a campus, if you will, he or she is going to do whatever amount of damage or carnage they can do in the first three to five minutes. so whether or not there's an armed security person there or not, really i don't think prevents that person from doing what they intend to do. >> joe olson, we know that horrible, horrible incident happened in some ten minutes of terror. it is forever, forever going to change the lives of so many in your community and around our nation. we stand with you in roseburg today, sir, thanks for joining us. >> thank you so much. i appreciate the opportunity to express my opinions. >> chris, we stand with roseburg. we stand with all the other communities, newtown, you've talked about it, all the communities that have been affected. >> question becomes what does it mean when you stand with them? that matters today and it matters even more so in the days to come. the question is what happens

then? this campus this man was president of was one point a quiet little community, the next it was this. we have a witness to the massacre in our next hour of "new day." hear what it's like to live through one of these. get that urgency as to why we have to stop it. (man) hmm. what do you think? ♪ (stranger) good mornin'! ♪ (store p.a.) attention shoppers, there's a lost couple in the men's department. (vo) there's a great big un-khaki world out there. explore it in a subaru crosstrek.

love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.

aftit gets pretty stuffy.r a while, when dad opens up the window, what's the first thing he does? (kid sniffs) (dad sniffs air) the tobin stance. but when we open up the windows, you can see the dust floatin' around. there's dog hair pollen more work ♪ ding dong wow! what's this? swiffer sweeper swiffer dusters removes up to 70% of dust & allergens. stays on there like glue. you can't do that with the other broom. wow, i love it! (family sniffs air) the tobin stance. that's totally what it is.

we are learning more about the gunman behind the shooting spree at the oregon college. we'll get all of the details what happened from a witness straight ahead when a wildfire raged through elkhorn ranch, the sudden loss of pasture became a serious problem for a family business. faced with horses that needed feeding and a texas drought that sent hay prices soaring, the owners had to act fast. thankfully, mary miller banks with chase for business. and with greater financial clarity and a relationship built for the unexpected, she could control her cash flow, and keep the ranch running. chase for business. so you can own it. chase for business. the internet of things. what we're recommending as your consultants... the new consultants are here. it's not just big data, its bigger data.

we're beta testing the new wearable interface... ♪ xerox believes finding the right solution shouldn't be so much work. by engineering a better way for people, process and technology to work together. work can work better. with xerox. i'm angela, and i quit smoking with chantix. for ten long years i was ready to quit. but i couldn't do it on my own.

i needed help and chantix was there. and i did it. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. some had seizures while taking chantix. if you have any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse or of seizures. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if have these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away as some can be life-threatening. tell your doctor if you have heart or blood vessel problems, or develop new or worse symptoms. get medical help right away if you have symptoms of a heart attack or stroke. decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. use caution when driving or operating machinery. most common side effect is nausea. i never thought i would be a non-smoker and i'm so proud. ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. you totalled your brand new car. nobody's hurt,but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay

three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do, drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. new car replacement is just one of the features that come standard with a base liberty mutual policy. and for drivers with accident forgiveness,rates won't go up due to your first accident. learn more by calling switch to liberty mutual and you can save up to $509. for a free quote today,call liberty mutual insurance at see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance.

there is a shooter. there is a shooter. >> confirmed report this is a long gun. >> she opened the door and gunman shot her. >> multiple shots. the look on her face was horrifying. >> because you are a christian you are going to see god in just about one second and then he shot and killed them. >> i was terrified. i have never been more tear fied for my life ever. >> people running in every direction. >> let me be very clear. i will not name the shooter. >> he's got to have some kind of connection to that school somehow. >> somehow this has become routine. we've become numb to this. >> we have got to get the political will to do everything we can to keep people safe. >> our thoughts and prayers are not enough. it is not enough.

>> this is cnn breaking news. we want to welcome your viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." but we are dealing with something all too familiar. a small town in oregon now in the national spot, mourning nine victims as the country's latest victims of mass shooting attachment gunman opening fire at the umpqua community college. and the president saying we have become numb to these shootings. have we? >> this as investigators try to figure out why this 26-year-old went on a rampage. were there warning signs? and what about the reports he targeted christian students? we are also learning more about the victims. anna is in roseburg for us. what have you learned? >> well we can tell you that the college just behind me, just beyond these police vehicles is closed today. investigators are still processing what is being

described as an extensive crime scene. we also know there are about w. all looking for answers into what happened and why. in this small tight knit community rocked by this tragedy, we're hearing more stories. stories of horror from the students in the classes describing shot after shot after shot. >> overnight the vigil for the victims of the umpqua community college's deadly mass shooting. disturbing new details coming from a father whose daughter was hit in the back by a bullet describing how to gunman targeting those who said they were christian. >> are you a christian he would ask. and if you are a christian stand up. and he said good because you are a christian you are going to see god in just about one second.

and then he shot and killed them. and he kept going down the line doing this to people. >> thursday morning around 10:0030 a.m. 911 receives the first calls for help. >> somebody is outside one of the doors shooting through the door. >> oregon police say the 26-year-old gunman was carrying body armor and loads of ammuniti ammunition. enough for a prolonged gunfight. into the classroom he opened fire shooting a teacher at point-blank range according to witnesses. >> rapid fire over and over and over again. you could hear the people -- you could hear them moving and crying. >> i said to the teacher we need to get out of here right now. and then we heard the second and third gunshots. >> within minutes officers swarmed the campus. >> shots with him. he's in a classroom. >> exchanging gunshots right now with the male.

he's in a classroom on the southeast side of snyder hall. >> is shooting began in snyder hall but didn't end there. continuing his rampage into the science building. casualties found in at least two different classrooms. >> i will not name the shooter. i will not gave him the credit he probably sought prior to this horrific act. >> the gunman shot dead at the scene. >> reporter: now the sheriff, the governor, the whole community wanting to keep the focus on the survivors and the victims. the bodies of the victims and the shooter were all taken to the medical examiner. we hope to begin learning some of the identities of these victims in the next few hours so we can share their stories.

allsyn. >> thank you for that. nine people were also wounded in the shooting at umpqua community college. for an update on that. >> sanjay gupta is live in roseburg oregon. what do we know at this hour? >> i just spoke to the chief medical officer at the hospital here. we know they had about 15 minute notice before the ambulances started coming in. we're about five miles from the scene. ten people originally brought in. nine survived. one person actually passed away in the emergency room after actually arriving here just to give you a sense of what they were dealing with. they felt they were ready to take care of these patients. but obviously so many patients at once made this a mass casualty incident as they called it. overwhelming number of patients. know now there are three patients remaining here.

three transferred to another hospital. all suffered gunshot wounds to the head. critical condition. they were all women between ages o 18 and 30. there were others treated and discharged. one patient here still in critical condition. the others are in serious to fair condition. so they remain optimistic that all the patients here that are still in the hospital are going to do well. one thing i should say, you know, it is a small community. this is a small town. everyone knows each other here. and there is some direct relationships between some of the staff that were caring for the patients and some of the victims that came in yesterday. so just emotionally heart wrenching stuff. and it is still ongoing. michae michaela. >> i think it shakes any of us that are from a small town like that. you realize. you drive by people on the road and look into the cars to see if you recognize people. everybody is going to know somebody that is affected by this. thanks for that update. we appreciate it. f. now disturbing details are

emerging from -- about this 26-year-old shooter. investigators are furiously trying to figure out a motive. what could have caused him to commit such a heinous act. >> here is what we can tell you about him. we do know his name. and we are reporting hit. he's 26, his name is christopher harper mercer. two things link him to the college. one is a college e-mail address. another is a theater group at the college in which he is listed as the production assistant. we also know according to people spoken to by the "new york times," he military style clothing every day. he also had a very close relationship with his mother. his mauriotheauricother mother' about five miles from the college. his father lives in welfare wv and earlier he spoke to the press. >> devastating day. devastating for me and my

family. all i ask is -- i know you guys are here to do your job. all i ask is just respect our privacy. and so far you have done that. >> is there surprise at all? >> shocked is all i can say. >> shocked indeed. the weapons he was using, three handguns. a shotgun. he went to two buildings. his online profile. he listed himself as lithium love. he talks about two recent shootings. including one of the -- quote, when they spill a little blood the whole world knows who they are. the more people kill the more you are in theline limelight. he was talking about the gunman being alone and unknown until the tragedy. >> a visibly upset president obama admonishing the nation saying somehow these have become routine in the u.s. calling for gun laws to stop the violence. take a listen.

>> i'd ask the american people to think about how they can get our government to change these laws. and to save lives. and to let young people grow up. and that will require a change of politics on this issue. and it will require that the american people individually, whether you are a democrat or a republican or an independent, when you decide to vote for somebo somebody are making a determination as to whether this cause of continuing death for innocent people should be a relevant factor in your decision. if you think this is a problem then you should expect your elected officials to reflect your views. and i would particularly ask america's gun owners, who are

using those guns properly, safely, to hunt, for sport, for protecting their families to think about whether your views are properly being represented by the organization that suggests it is speaking for you. and each time this happen, i'm going to bring this up. each time this happens, i am going to say that we can actually do something about it. but we're going to have to change our laws. and this is not something i can do by myself. i've got to have a congress. and i've got to have state

legislatures and governors who are willing to work with me on this. >> well that was president obama expressing his deep frustration. and it sounds like resignation at some times about what's happened in oregon. we want to bring in now melanie bouquet, a student at umpqua community college. she witnessed the massacre and her husband sean joins us well. thanks so much for being with us. we know it is 5:00 a.m. your time and we know it's been a long night. melanie, how are you doing. >> i'm doing okay. physically i'm glad i'm okay. mentally i'm stake shaken up and in kind of in disbelief. >> you were in the library at 10:00 in the morning when all of this unfolded. tell us what you heard. >> i just heard a bunch of yelling. and i stood up to look, as anybody would, and saw a bunch of people running. just a bunch of chaos right outside the door -- or right outside the window. so i heard a lot of people

saying get out of the library. another girl and i just stayed in there and hid. >> and why did you stay and hide under a desk instead of running out? >> you know honestly i have three kids to think about. and i didn't know where the shooter was. i didn't want to be a running target if he was right outside of where we were. >> i know that you heard people yelling "shooter, shooter" and "let's get out of here." but you stayed and hid you should the desk. how long did you hide under that desk? >> i believe we were under the desk for at least an hour. >> oh my gosh. and what was happening? what were you hearing? what were you thinking? >> i had heard some gunshots. i had heard people yelling right out -- from what sounded like right outside the library windows. honestly i just sat under the

desk and prayed. i didn't really know what else to do. >> sean when you heard there was something terrible happening at the community college and you knew your wife was there that morning, what happened on your end? >> initially i just -- i texted her just to try to touch base with her. and eventually tried calling her a little bit later. and when she wasn't getting right pack to me it made me a little worried. but, you know, she eventually did. >> how long did you have to wait sean before you knew she was okay? >> i had probably pretty close to a half hour or so. >> and what was that half an hour like? it was nerve wracking. i hear guys talking about it. and everything going on. a few of them talking about how they couldn't get ahold of their loved one that was there.

so hearing that and then realizing that my wife was there too and not being able to see her, you know, it was pretty nerve wracking. >> did you think she was one of the victims? >> i was trying not to think about that too much. i was more or less waiting for the call and hoping and praying she does does call me back. >> melanie you were under the deskase understa as i understan another student. were you having a conversation? were you talking to each other? >> she wasn't under the same desk. she was a row over. we could see each other but we weren't speaking. we were just trying to stay invisible i guess is a good way to put it. >> melanie, did you hear the gunman? did you hear any talking? >> i had thought i did. honestly i'm not really sure what i was hearing because there was so much chaos.

i know i heard gunfire. and i'm having reason to believe that the gunfire was that coming from the sheriff's office and not the actual gunman himself. >> when did you realize that it was safe so go out? and how did you trust it was safe to get out from under the desk? >> we thought we heard all clear. and the other girl poked her head out and i looked and said is it clear? is that what we just heard? she said i think so. so we got up together. and i saw out the side window where we were walking there were some officers and students standing in the grass. so we proceeded to the front of the library. and we both looked at each other and said we're not comfortable going out there. we still don't know what's out there. so we went back to where we had seen the officers by where we had been hiding. and went out the emergency exit. so we knew there were officers standing by so we knew we were safe. >> and melody, you seem incredibly composed for having

lived through this. but does this -- does this get, sort of, into your bloodstream and, you know, your dna? and how do you plan to be able to feel safe again and go back to school? >> honestly, i don't know. i was a wreck yesterday. i'm actually surprisingly composed this morning. i don't know. just hearing somebody when i was at a church last night just pop a water container and hearing that popping sound just completely freaked me out. so honestly i don't know how this is going to go in the long run. >> shawn, you took to facebook yesterday to try to process all of this. how do you make sense of what happened there in your town yesterday? >> you know, none of this ever makes sense no matter where it's

at. i mean, yeah i took to facebook because i know there are some media sites and pages on facebook they follow. and they generally are pretty up to date on what's going on. and so, you know, it's so early on in the process what's going on you don't see this on the news on tv. >> basically your message. what message did you want to get out there? >> i guess for somebody that wanted to do this, i mean i don't understand myself personally how you can get that way and be able to do what these people are doing. but you know, i mean -- it's kind of hard really to say. you know, think about what's going on? why do you need to involve people? and then of course message out to everybody involved, you know, we're really sorry for anything that may have happened to you or your families.

and you know we pray you can get by and heal through all this. >> melody and shawn boqua. we pray that you will heal as well from the trauma of yesterday. thanks so much for being on "new day." >> thank you. >> our hearts are with them. terrible thing to have a witnessed. we're going to get back to our breaking coverage of the shooting in oregon. first we want to give youen update on hurricane joaquin. the powerful category 4 has been lashing the bahamas. even though some models say it may miss the eastern u.s., we do know it is still expected to daump whole lot of rain. give us the new forecast. track it for us. what do we know? >> the forecast does keep it off shore for the u.s. the entire time. moves it up towards atlantic, cl canada but really even missing that. how many times in your lifetime could you talk about the

category 4 hurricane, 130 miles per hour, 360 miles from miami and not really worry about it? i can't even think that i've ever thought about that in the 52 years i've been alive. 130 miles per hour. but the suction of this low pressure center should crdraw i up and away from the u.s. if it doesn't -- and there are still computer models that say it may not get all the way over there. then we could see some impact. i don't think we're going to see wind impact. but we're going to see flooding impact. all of this tropical moisture. and it is going to get sucked into the carolinas. into the virginia, maybe even georgia. and that will cause flooding. an awful lot of rain. up to 10 inches and i've seen computer models saying up to 15. how does this happen? how do you get up to 15 inches of rain? well you have a significant tropical storm here. a low pressure system here f and it is going to suck all of this moisture and throw it onto the

appalachian mountain chain and up the hill and the rain is going to come right down the mountains and through the rivers and into the cities that live along the rivers and we could see significant flooding this weekend. we'll be here. >> i know you will chad and i appreciate you're following the models and there are no clear answers right way way and you take us through that and it is the nature of it. also breaking over night, 11 were killed including six u.s. service members and five civilian contractors when their military transport plane crashed in afghanistan at a jalalabad airport. right near the pakistani border. the u.s. military denies hostile fire was involved. the taliban claim they did it. we're going to follow all the developments. a massive hack of credit reporting agency experian is expecting -- sorry, it is affecteding 15 million t-mobile

customers. hackers stole social security number, driver's licenses and passport numbers of new t-mobile customers who requested credit checks. between september 1st and september 15th. banking and credit card information was not breached they say. >> now the circumstances between the pope's meeting with kentucky clerk kim davis. she was one of several pope francis met with briefly at the vatican embassy in washington. and that the only real audience he granted was with one of his former students and his family. the vatican says the meeting does not mean the pope supports davis's position. you will recall she spent six days in jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. >> we're going talk with a lawmaker who is doing exactly that. we know mental health matters in the mass shootings.

we don't do anything to address the problem. he wants to. hear his solution and why he says that solution is being frustrated. ahead.

we're back with more on the campus massacre. the numbers don't lie. the states with more. one congressman has been working

tirelessly to push through mental health legislation to help families deal with tragedy before tragedy happens. it's been stymied virtually every step of the way. joining us is pennsylvania representative tim murphy. you and i have come to be friends over this issue. and i'm sorry to once again have the exact same situation that brings us together all too often. what can you tell the american people about what common root causes are in these mass shootings are at least and what we are not doing to help stop them. >> what we are not doing and this comes from the legislative and executive branch. it gets pushed aside. and say let's look at this another week, another month, another year. and in the three years i've been working on this, hundreds of thousands of deaths from suicides, drug over doses, homicides, the slow motion death of all have occurred.

they are even more discriminatory to those in minorities and in poverty. we have a federal system more interested in protecting people's rights to be sick than hair rights to be well. we have a criminal justice system more interested in putting people in prison than giving them hospital beds. we don't have enough providers or places for care. we spend and waste billions on absurd programs like making collages and the buying paints and the having websites with the sing along songs and refuse to even acknowledge that schizophrenia and bipolar illness exists. and then you have folks out there that say they don't ever want to be involuntarily committed you end up stymieing those laws that saying if someone is seriously ill and propensity towards violence because they don't have a involuntary commitment --

>> one step at a time. the first thing they say is not now, tim. not now. let the blood dry. be there for the families. don't politicize this. you say what many say and increasingly more are saying which is no, now is exactly the time. explain that to those who say your wrong. >> congress will probably have another moment of silence when we get back next week. and i like many americans will be sitting there extremely frustrated saying we don't need silence. we need action. and if americans want to do anything, they ought to pick up a approximate pen or go to a computer or pick up their phone and call congress and say move this comprehensive mental health legislation, hr 2646 helping families and mental health crisis act. because once again congress will say, you know, we've got other priorities to work on. and again i put blames on both sides of the aisle. leadership from top to bottom who push this aside.

we ought that instead of saying maybe we think about this more, talk about this more. these family, these victims, they are hurting. they are in pain for the rest of their lives. they don't want people talking about the compromise and putting this off. they need action now. so i hope americans speak up. >> the families say don't let this happen to anybody else. the advocate, many healthcare advocate, specifically mental health part of healthcare say, woe, don't paint all the mentally ill with the same brush. don't take their privacy rights. what about the hipaa laws you. didn't tell people to get treatment. we don't want their records out there so people can review thesmt. we don't want any of this tim. don't takes us down this road. >> and you know what, my legislation nor any legislation is going to take us down the road to take away people's rights to privacy. but when you have federal laws that are set up that actually prevent families from helping and then blame families for not helping, that is perverse. when you have federal laws that say family members can't know

when someone has an illness, when you have colleges that are more worried about being sued than notifying family members when there is a problem. when you have federal agencies that specifically pay for groups to go out there and take people out of hospitals and then block them from getting help that is the perverse problem. my legislation is supported by the american psychological association. national alliance for mental illness. mental health of america. many programs out there doing it. congress has to get offs its tough and deal with this comprehensive problem. we should all be incredibly frustrated but don't just be frustrated. be vocal and tell congress to move this legislation. >> what are the obstacles? how can we ask questions to those who are stopping this process to see what it is that's motivating their recalcium trance. >> the recalcium trance comes in a low makers wants do but not

understanding. gee we don't want to take away someone's rights to refuse treatment. eon't to take away their rights either. but they have a right to be well. families are a right whether here in oregon now or issues in connecticut, or california. those families had a right to see their children grow up. and those who were still alive, they had a right to go through life without dealing with trauma the rest of their life. that is where congress has to hear the voice of the american people and say stop squandering the opportunity. stop delaying. stop letting more people suffer in this. that is the key. america needs to speak up. let's. >> reporter: let's use an opportunity about the worst in us and use it to bring out a opportunity in the best in us. representative, tim murphy, as always good to hear you voice. sorry it is on occasions such as this. >> let's keep trying. >> what do you think about what the congressman said? twees us using #"new day" cnn.

or post your comment on facebook.com/"new day." >> much more of our breaking coverage head ahead. and specifically we're going to look at what happens next for theroseburg. we're going to speak with a state lawmaker who represents that area. talaquinta and fires up free wi-fi, with a network that's now up to 5 times faster than before you know what he can do? let's see if he's ready. he can swim with the sharks! book your next stay at lq.com!

here we go with the five things to know for your new day. at number one, police working to find a motive for a massacre at that oregon college. ten people are dead, including the gunman. we know of at least nine others wounded. one victim's father says the shooter singled out christians. >> breaking news this morning, the economy added 142,000 jobs in september. job gains in july and august were always revised down. this is a deviation from the solid growth of the last few years. the unemployment remained unchanged at 5.1%. hurricane joaquin is still bearing down on the bahamas. a powerful category four storm.

it will probably steer clear of the east coast of the united states. however that intense rain is not going away. bat down the hatches. 6 u.s. service workers and five contractors were killed when their plane crashed near an airport in jalalabad. u.s. officials are making it clear they will continue with military actions in syria as russia mounts strikes amid deepening concern over their strategy. with mounting gun violence comes mounting outcry for gun reform. president obama didn't hesitate to begin outcry again last night. take a look at the other factors and take some action. we have experts ahead. welcome. wooah!

that's an egg! it's hard to prepare for something when you're not ready for it, huh? absolutely. want to meet a car that can detect things before you can? yeah! meet the chevy equinox, with available forward collision alert. it can help warn you when you're approaching another vehicle too fast so you can take action. i need that. ford escape doesn't have that. aw, come on ford. love this vehicle. very smart car. this is really nice. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all, my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. every someday needs a plan.

let's talk about your old 401(k) today. for my frequent heartburnmorning because you can't beat zero heartburn! ahhh the sweet taste of victory! prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah... surprise... your insurance company tells you to pay up again. why pay for insurance if you have to pay even more for using it? if you have liberty mutual deductible fund™, you could pay no deductible at all. sign up to immediately lower your deductible by $100. and keep lowering it $100 annually, until it's gone. then continue to earn that $100 every year. there's no limit to how much you can earn and this savings applies to every vehicle on your policy. call

to learn more. switch to liberty mutual and you could save up to $509. call liberty mutual for a free quote today at see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. my psoriatic arthritis i'm caused joint pain.o golfer. just like my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. and i was worried about joint damage. my doctor said joint pain from ra can be a sign of existing joint damage that could only get worse. he prescribed enbrel to help relieve pain and help stop further damage. enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis,

lymphoma, other cancers, nervous system and blood disorders and allergic reactions have occurred. tell your doctor if you've been someplace where fungal infections are common, or if you're prone to infections, have cuts or sores, have had hepatitis b, have been treated for heart failure, or if you have persistent fever, bruising, bleeding, or paleness. don't start enbrel if you have an infection like the flu. joint pain and damage... can go side by side. ask how enbrel can help relieve joint pain and help stop joint damage. enbrel, the number one rheumatologist-prescribed biologic. nine killed at this hour, nine others wounded.

investigators say the 26-year-old gunman was armed with three handguns and one long gun and enough ammunition for a prolonged fight. he was killed in a shootout with police. >> with president obamapresiden. has families ties to this area. i understand your family goes back to the 1800s. you grew up in roseburg. you call it home. it is your district. but you are also a lawmaker, representative. what would you like to see happen in terms of laws and legislatio legislation in your area? >> first, thank you for having me today. it is obviously difficult to put into the wards what our community is the dealing with with right now. as a policy maker obviously the

first instinct is to start thinking how to do we flechbt in the future. but right now i just don't think it's appropriate for officials to go into that. my concerns and my focus is on the families and the victims and making sure this community can somehow just pick up the pieces and start moving on with our lives. >> that is so vital and so important. healing and comforting the victims and the victims families. but sir, we have also heard the governor of your state of oregon. we have also heard the sheriff of the county that roseburg was in both echo your sentiments and say now is not the time to talk about gun control legislation. sir, with all due respect, if not now, when? >> it could be next week for all we care but right now the wound is still open and bleeding. you talk about my ties to this community. i drive by this campus literally every day of the week. my business is located five

miles from here. my father and my parents house is located close by. so i go there frequently over the weekend. so this means everything to me. and this issue obviously will be addressed in a few short months when we go back up to the salem for the short session. michaela the whole reason i took this interview is because i wanted to reach out to your folks and your audience and beg for your prayers. this as faith based community. a the solid community. it is not a joke. half the town is related to each other. we love each other. everybody knows everybody. e had a gentlemen that is a local business owner call me at 11:00 last night while still laying awake trying to convince myself this was just a nightmare. and told me one of miss managing employee's wife us one of the victims. so even at that point i've already got a small connection to somebody that's a been a victim of this tragedy. >> and i respect that. i really do, representative.

. my point is and please know you do have our prayers. you do know that you have the prayers of the nation with you. but you also know as the man of faith as i know of a person of faith that faith, prayers without action is fruitless. we have to also act. so that is my challenge to you is to make sure that this does get dealt with in the weeks and days ahead. i will give that to you. let me ask you more about the community. you know that obviously all of the people in the community are reeling from this. what are you hearing from the townspeople? because i know as you mentioned everyone knows each other. everyone knows someone that was touched by this. what is their reaction to this senseless tragedy? >> you know, frankly as i was walking around at the prayer service slash candle light vigil last night i didn't hear a lot of anger. i saw a lot of pain. i could hear the pain, the crying. but i could hear the hope and hoping for these people and praying for these people

directly affected by this. this community, frankly, is not like a lot of other parts of the nation. it is certainly not more like the urban communities. the rural community of the roseburg and the greater douglas county area. we're doers, we're fighters. we're not victims. i'm just -- i'm telling you i'm very blessed to be the representative of this community. we're looking on how we can improve our lives and how we can prevent this from happening in the future. but right now 24 hours haven't even passed. >> i know. >> and when it comes to being in leadership i'm very disappointed in some of the national figures that have been making comments on this situation considering how fresh it is. we don't even still have the full facts. when i met with the governor and other elected officials, when i was listening to john hanlin, the stats he gave me yesterday are different from the stats i heard over my ear piece when i was listening to you folks. as far as how many dead how many

wounded. there are too many unknown facts. >> it is early stages. but you can also understand that so many of us are tired of being here again and that is the concern. we want to make sure this kind of thing does not happen. that is a challenge for you there in your community. and we say thank you to you for joining us today. sthoox much for joining us. >> do you have one -- i have one thing to say. >> go ahead. >> we have a go fund me account i set up at 1:00 in the morning because i just could not sleep and i was like what do i have to do to help these people. ucc victim relief at go fund me. i'm begging people across the nation to help these folks in the healing process. we don't want anybody with a dead child or a dead spouse or a victim in the hospital to be burdened with the financial burden that is coming. >> thank you. we appreciate it. >> michaela. how could this happen again? this is always the question we

ask after another senseless shooting. when we come back we'll discuss the politics of guns and stopping the violence. ♪ (woman) one year ago today mom started searching for her words.

and my brother ray and i started searching for answers. (vo) when it's time to navigate in-home care, follow that bright star. because brightstar care earns the same accreditation as the best hospitals. and brightstar care means an rn will customize a plan that evolves with mom's changing needs. (woman) because dad made us promise we'd keep mom at home. (vo) call 844-4-brightstar for your free home care planning guide.

san fwhile this parking loting lies still. life, proposition d and mission rock will create a new neighborhood right here with 40% affordable housing, 8 acres of parks and open space, all connected to public transit, and generate $25 million a year in revenue for san francisco. vote yes on d to turn this into this. ♪

the report iing -- my respoe here at this podium ends up being routine. the conversation in the aftermath of it. we've become numb to this. >> the president clearly frustrated. but, you know, the question winds up getting turned back on him. what has he done about it?

what have lawmakers done about it? about gun law, mental health, culture of violence that is almost uniquely american. we've covered dozens of these. yes the reporting is fresh. the investigation is new but surprises are unlikely. so let's discuss. we is senior politics editor for daily beast and cnn senior washington correspondent. good to have you both. let's start with this pliemry assertion. it is too early. don't politicize this. let them heal. we hear pretty the lawmakers more than anybody else. is that a hedge or do you believe it is the right place to be? >> very rarely are any gun legislation passed as a reaction to these sort of things. so yeah we hear that. is it a hedge? >> probably. but, you know, something that as the president said that's kind of become routine because there isn't a lot of political courage out there or political will to pass more gun legislation. we've actually seen less gun

restrictions even get more lenient in wake of sandy hook. >> so just for two prime examples that happened on "new day." after the lafayette theater shooting in july, governor bobby jindal of louisiana was on "new day." we asked about it. he said now is not the time to talk about it. we must let the healing begin. an hour ago we had the oregon governor, a democrat, kate brown on "new day" asked her what can change. what will you change? now is not the time to talk about. when exactly is the right time for politicians to talk about these things? >> great question. it is always delay. never talk about it. the problem here is the president is right. he went through the litany of names of shootings that have really become, you know, one word touchstones of the horrors of our culture here from columbine, you know, to sandy hook to new town. but there is never a good time here. there has to be a conversation on both sides. certainly the presidential campaign, the middle of a presidential campaign is also going to be not a good time to

talk about this. so there is never a good time to talk about this. but yes the president deserves some of the blame for this. no question. he has not rallied the question behind this. now he doesn't really have the standing to do so, if he ever did. the republican controlled congress certainly is not going to take up this issue. so it is going to be on the voters. it is going to be on the american people to call upon their leaders to do something. >> leaders go first, jeff. allsyn has showing my nine different presidential candidates, tweets fw from them. o'malley, trump, huckabee, kasich, bush. all saying we pray for them. and only one saying we need to do something right now and i'll do everything i can to achieve that. that's hillary clinton. but look the case politically is this. bobby jindal said not now. have we heard anything since on this about what to do? what not to do? no.

of course not. because the gun debate is going nowhere in this country. we know that. what about all the other elements? in mass shootings and again they are just a percentage of the gun violence we have in the country. but mental health is a constant refrain. and senator tim murphy we just had on. he can't get his bill pushed there. the culture of leadership gets almost no voice. >> the last time any kind of gun legislation was passed in was in 2007 after virginia tech. and president bush signed into law and one of the things that kid was added mental health records to the background check. but in a lot of states they haven't done anything. they either don't have the funding and nothing has happened. so the laws are out there. and one of the executive orders that the president signed was encouraging states to update these laws state by state. but there isn't a consistency. and the other interesting thing is this year in april, the pugh

research center has polling. people who think that gun rights are more important than further restriction on guns, it became more. 52% of people. >> right. >> so the country even is more in favor right now for less gun -- for more gun rights rather that more restriction zwls the president came out and said there are 23 executive actions can take right here and now. i don't have to wait for congress and i'm going to do that. and they sounded great t the time. make sure what jackie is talking about, have states coordinate more. but what's happened with those? why haven't they seemed to make a dent? >> it is a great question. i was thinking about that when i saw the president speaking last night. more frustrated. more angry than i've ever seen him in more than a decade of following him and covering him. but he did not mention his kmektive orders. so that is a question question

for the white house today. to go through this check history will of 23 things. the reality is the executive actions he signed were largely window dressing. let's set up a the blue ribbon commission for this. let's do this. they need new laws and congress needs to be involved in. this needs to be much more than the executive action. and. >> and they need to focus on a lot more than just guns. >> thank you so much for that. cnn's coverage of the campus massacre continues after this short break with carol costello. ♪ (vo) making the most out of every mile. that's why i got a subaru impreza. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.

♪ it's the final countdown! ♪ ♪ the final countdown! if you're the band europe, you love a final countdown. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. when laquinta.com sends craig wilson a ready for you alert the second his room is ready, ya know what he becomes? great proposal! let's talk more over golf. great. how about over tennis? even better. a game changer! the ready for you alert, only at lq.com. could protect you from diabetes? what if one sit-up could prevent heart disease? one. wishful thinking, right? but there is one step you can take to help prevent another serious disease. pneumococcal pneumonia. if you are 50 or older, one dose of the prevnar 13® vaccine

can help protect you from pneumococcal pneumonia, an illness that can cause coughing, chest pain, difficulty breathing, and may even put you in the hospital. even if you have already been vaccinated with another pneumonia vaccine, prevnar 13® may help provide additional protection. prevnar 13® is used in adults 50 and older to help prevent infections from 13 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. you should not receive prevnar 13® if you have had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. if you have a weakened immune system, you may have a lower response to the vaccine. common side effects were pain, redness or swelling at the injection site, limited arm movement, fatigue, headache, muscle or joint pain, less appetite, chills, or rash. get this one done. ask your doctor or pharmacist about prevnar 13® today.

but it is not the device that is mobile, it is you. real madrid have about 450 million fans. we're trying to give them all the feeling of being at the stadium. the microsoft cloud gives us the scalability to communicate exactly the content that people want to see. it will help people connect to their passion of living real madrid. why are you deleting these photos? because my teeth are yellow. why don't you use a whitening toothpaste? i'm afraid it's bad for my teeth. try crest 3d white. crest 3d white diamond strong toothpaste and rinse... ...gently whiten... ...and fortify weak spots. use together for 2 times stronger enamel. crest 3d white.

good morning, i'm carol costello. i'm going bring you right out to roseburg hospital. an update from the victims from a terrible shooting on an oregon campus. let's listen. >> the two, three that remain are expected to recover well and at this point are remain in stable critical condition. >> how do you train for a mass casualty incident like this? >> we have community wide trainings for this exact situation. and we integrate with the level two and