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national epidemic of shooting sprees. nine shot dead in an oregon classroom and everybody's reaction was, here we go again. president obama got angry about how this is much too routine. jeb bush is under fire for shrugging and say stuff happens. was he making a legitimate point? will anything change? i'll talk to senator richard blumenthal introducing a gun control bill this tuesday. larry pratt, head of gun owners of america, says gun-free zones are the problem. and gail saltz who says blaming mental illness is wrong. first, the latest news, trying to combat years of inaction, connecticut senators richard blumenthal and chris murphy, representing the state where sandy hook elementary school shooting took place interduing new legislation on tuesday that will bar gun sales until background checks are complete. richard blumenthal joins me now. senator, if we couldn't get something like this post-sandy

hook with 20 young individuals, young americans, slain in a school setting, why might this time be different? >> this time should be different. history shows that time is necessary to accomplish effective measures to prevent gun violence. the president of the united states, ronald reagan, was almost assassinated. and jim brady paralyzed. it still took 12 years to accomplish the brady bill. in stockton, california, more than 30 people were mowed down by an assault weapon. in fact, an automatic machine gun. and the ban against assault weapons took five years to accomplish. so every reform has a tipping point. i think this incident, this horrific, unspeakable tragedy, must like sandy hook could be the tipping point. and that's why we're introducing a very common sense, sensible measure to close the loophole in the existing law.

so that no gun will be sold without a background check. >> what is a default sale? explain, i think people probably don't understand that this even exists. >> absolutely right. the default sale, in essence, occurs when 72 hours have passed. and the background check is incomplete. at that point, the gun dealer, a licensed gun dealer, is permitted, not required, but allowed, to make a sale. in other words, if there's no completed background check, the sale can go forward. now walmart voluntarily has said it's not selling guns to anyone without a background check. we've asked bass pro, easy pond, to do the same voluntarily. but they've failed to respond. that's why in part, and this tragedy is an added reason, we're going to close the loophole. more broadly, michael, the background check has to be

extended to all sales, not federally licensed dealers but universally. there needs to be more measures as well. >> senator, would have of the sales been prevented if what you're advocating been law? >> daryl roof, the shooter in charleton, south carolina would never have accessed that weapon if he had be required to get a background check. he got a gun because the background check was incomplete. and the point is not only that specific instances would have been prevented but simply, that america can be made safer by keeping this wash of weapons out of the hands of dangerous people. right now the law forbids a convicted felon to have a weapon. but 15,729 people deemed ineligible have bought guns, over the past five years. that's 15,729 people who in

effect were ineligible to buy a weapon under existing law. that law should be enforced. >> yesterday, ohio governor john kasich running for the presidency on the republican side of the aisle said this. you can strip away all of the guns but the people who are going to commit crimes or have problems are always going to have a gun. doesn't he make a valid point? >> he makes a point that access to guns right now is much too easy. by various means. and in a sense, the weakest link in the system, among the state, can populate the rest of the country with guns. because our boundaries and borders are so porous, that illegal trafficking means that guns can spread across the country. come to new york or connecticut with tough gun laws, through the means of transport from the southern states where there are relatively weak laws. so, he's right that right now,

we have a lot of guns reaching a lot of people who shouldn't have them. that's why a comprehensive approach is necessary. it's ban on illegal trafficking. >> this is your starting point, is what you're saying? >> and the starting point really has to be politicizing in a good way this issue. so, elected officials can be held accountable. because we face a public health emergency. it's an epidemic. >> senator richard blumenthal, thank you for being here. >> thank you. let's now get the other side, joining me from our d.c. bureau is larry pratt, he's the executive director of gun owners of america. mr. pratt, doesn't he make a valid point, the senator, in saying that you shouldn't get a gun purchased by default. you ought to at least undergo that background check? >> if you look at the recent mass murders, in fact, for quite some time, they get their guns legally. they don't have a previous record that's going to trigger

anything. so we're dealing with the fact that there are evil people who are going to do terrible things as this dirt bag did in oregon. and what we need to change, and what i hope the senator, one of these days, will take a look at, since he wants to look at things in a comprehensive fashion as he said, look at the laws that are denying people the ability to defend themselves. that was a gun-free zone in oregon, as so many -- of all of two of our country's mass murders since 1950 have occurred in such gun-free zones. i think that's a clue that we ought to be changing it and the senator doesn't get that memo. >> are you tell me that you will oppose that measure which they will introduce on tuesday that says if 72 hours elapses and the background check is not completed by default, the person ought to be able to purchase the weapon?

>> sheer, he's not -- >> sure -- wait a minute -- sure you'll oppose it? respectfully i want to know, yes or no, are you going to oppose that measure? >> sure, we're going to oppose it, absolutely. >> but why, why should someone, just because of bureaucratic ineptitude, hasn't completed a background check, why by default should someone get the weapon? >> that way, we're going to feel better that everything is okay if the background check is accomplished? >> i'm going to tell you something, as a firearm owner, i have multiple firearms under lock and key at home. i don't want you to think this is a left wing hip job. i'm going to sleep better as an american knowing whomever is purchasing a weapon at least has been investigated if the 72 hour isn't enough time that it should be extended before they get the gun? >> even though it's been shown it hasn't been addressing the problem. the problem is we're disarming the good guys. making them sit there and wait for a bullet, which is what happens with a

mass murder in a gun-free zone. and i think that is outrageous that we're not talking about the senator's love for gun-free zones. >> so your answer, and i don't want to be too simplistic, more americans should be armed? what you're saying, take away those gun-free zones and allow people to carry everywhere? >> would it have helped if some of the potential victimed have been armed in that english classroom? >> i don't know, frankly there's no requirement that a person has to be trained in that circumstance. i say to myself if one of my four kids were in that classroom and someone would have pulled out a weapon with the best of intentions maybe they would shoot my kid by error? >> you know, if that's going through your mind, maybe you ought not go to class. the fact of the matter is, you can't point to something like that that actually happened. your trying to argue against my position with a what if, could if sort of thing.

it just doesn't happen. the guy at the scene of the crime knows who the attacker is. >> you raised the what if scenario, saying what if someone had a gun in this school and could have taken this gun out. i want to show you two slides. you can react. slide number one, shows that the u.s. has 29.7 homicides per firearm per 1 million people. germ nit has 1.9. second slide, 4.4% of the world population but 42% of the civilian owned guns are here in the united states. doesn't that mean we have more homicides because our firearms are more plentiful? >> actually, when you look at the time frame that you've selected it's obvious you've cut out two world wars, concentration camps and other means of mass murder perpetrated against disarmed populations in europe. so, no, it's much more lethal to

live under a gun control regime than it is in the united states where you can protect yourself. >> mr. pratt, thank you for being here. >> thank you. now, many are saying that the fault isn't with guns but with mental illness, but is that actually the direct diagnosis? joining me now, psychiatrist gail saltz. thank you for being on the program. >> thank you. >> i read something from the "times," with the online work of the shooter whose name i'd rather not say. i want to put it up on the screen and get your analysis of this. talking about the roanoke shooter, i've noticed that people like him are all alone and unknown yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. seems the more people you kill, the more you're in the lime light. does that sound like a guy who wanted his moment in the sun, even though he's not here, quote, here to enjoy it? >> well, he's right, that we and the media do propagate and give

fame, even if it's infamy to people who do this. even if you're an angry, disenfranchised young man, that may be the place that you turn to, does that mean you are mentally ill? the classic sense that people who want to say mental illness is the issue. no, that is not schizophrenia, that is not bipolar, that is not the severe mental illness that would be flagged and prevent you from buying a gun. that is not the person that would come into the system. they will not be hospitalized. they will not see a therapist. they do have certain things in common that make them more likely to participate in something like that. data show that is the past history of violence of any sort, of any action with the law, of any arrest, a past history or current history of substance abuse. a past history of early trauma. there are certain things, and of

course, access to guns, those things correlate with mass shootings and they correlate with any kind of gun violence. >> i don't have your expertise, obviously. i look at incident, i read as much about this incident and look at the background, to me, there's similarities to the guy at sandy hook. meaning they were estranged from their fathers. live with their mothers. loners. et cetera, et cetera. i bet people are watching saying, gosh, i know somebody like that living in my social circle. how do they had know if they have that extra characteristic of actually being violent? >> the reality is, they can't know, we as health professionals can't know -- i'm unhappy that president obama mentioned mental health in his talk yesterday because it gives people the impression there is a flag we can specifically know. however if they have a history of violence, that does raise the

risk. what should one do? well if you want to supply the mental health system with methods of helping these kinds of people, there could be crisis centers. more crisis centers for people who feel angry and disenfranchised or the mother of the son who is not functioning and who is angry and disenfranchised and buying guns to bring them in and report them. we, as physicians, should be able to report, and we're not asked if someone has a gun. and take a gun away if they're meeting the criteria. >> you heard senator blumenthal say on tuesday, he'll be introducing legislation if 72 hours passes and a background check is still not concluded by default, an individual shouldn't get a weapon. and mr. pratt, my guest from a pro gun lobby says we're going to oppose even that. >> right. you know, that makes it seem completely like a political issue. i would add to background checks, >> how? >> that we should be screening

for people who have any history of arrest, of any violence, of substance abuse, because those are the things that from the mental health perspective specifically correlate -- >> libertarians will go crazy with that. >> i know they will but if they're going to look at the data that's the only way to do the screening. if they're going to ignore the data, that trumps any rights to correlate, we're not going to look at the science and gun violence. then it's a completely -- >> i think i know how the president feels. as much as i enjoy your company and respect your opinion, i'm tired of having this conversation with you. >> and i'm tired of having this conversation as well. we keep spinning a circle because one side tries to say it's mental illness, which it's not, and the other side tries to say something else. we need to look at what is the data? we need to use the data that is available. and those should be the screenings, if we want to supply mental health, i'm all for that. we are undersupplied.

>> gail, thanks for being here. gail saltz. tweet me. i'll read the best later in the program. coming up, donald trump finds religion. check this out. anybody buying that image? and jeb bush's response to the shooting was, stuff happens did he have a legitimate point? also kevin mccarthy brags about derailing hillary clinton may cost him the speakership of the house. who could take his place. to weigh in on all of that and more i've got tv's legendary dynamic duos, morton condit. and may i whet your appetite with classic "snl." >> presenting inside opinions and forecasts on major issues of the day. with morton kondracke fred barnes. >> where his platform be affected by the

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life to say that to you on tv. >> that will be on my headstone. >> hopefully, a hundred years from now. together, you have authored an overdue book. i'm glad somebody wrote it. jack kemp, the bleeding heart conservative who changed america." we'll gheet that in a moment. may i put up on the screen what jeb bush said in response to this shooting incident. in response to a question of whether more prayer would be helpful. he said, we're in a difficult time in our country and i don't think more government is necessarily the answer to this. i think we need to reconnect ourselves with everybody else. it's very sad to see. but i resist -- i had this challenge as governor. we had -- look, stuff happens. there's always a crisis. the impulse is to do something and it's not always the right thing to do. fred barnes was he being tone deaf or was he making a point of a tendency of

overreaction on the part of policymak policymakers. >> no, i think he made a good point. there is overreaction, the media has a lot to do with that, of course, what happened in oregon was horrendous. but is there a federal role here as senator blumenthal thinks so? i'm not so sure. >> morton, what's your point on this? >> when he said the other day, something about free stuff, i read the entire -- the entire quote. he was not obviously talking, saying that african-americans are intentionally dependant and waiting for for free stuff. he was saying what democrats do is that they offer a government solution with benefits in order to buy the votes of minority groups. now that's a perfectly legitimate thing to say. this, i think is perfectly legitimate. but you know, everything that you say that can be interpreted

as a mistake is being used against you. and you've got to just got to be very careful. and the way to do that for him is to be positive and have solutions to stuff instead of being as passive as he is often. >> fred, why is he stuck? there's a brand-new pew research survey. i'll put it up on the screen. it shows jeb bush he may have $100 million in his account for his pac. but he's at 4% in the poll, why can't he get, as his father would say, the big mo on his side? >> well, he's running a terrible campaign. i mean, that's the obvious reason. and the campaign is looking at the past. he's running on his record as governor of florida. it was really a fantastic record. he was an extremely successful governor, but he left, you know, nearly ten years ago. presidential races are about the future. i think jeb bush has a terrific tax reform plan that would spur the economy which is stagnated under president obama. and he needs to talk about that,

make that and other proposals that he has, of things that he would do as president that are forward-looking, that are in the future, instead of running on his record that something that voters are don't seem to care about. >> go ahead, mort. the other thing i would say is, he has a kempian attitude toward the world, we'll get into it but it's positive. he always says in the debates, we are on the edge of the greatest time in world history, you know. i look forward and see great hope. well, that's fine, except that the public thinks that we are in terrible shape, and we are. that median incomes have not risen for 25 years. we have a stagnant economy. what he's got to do is acknowledge that we're in trouble. god knows we're in trouble in foreign policy. you have to acknowledge it and say, here's what i'm going to do about it. i mean, trump is getting the whole benefit of everything that's going wrong just saying i'm the guy who is going to fix

it. and by the way, everybody else is stupid. >> and you're going to bet bored with winning. "snl" comes back tonight, hillary is going to be on "saturday night live." earlier this week, kevin mccarthy seems to have done an enormous favor for her. let's watch this clip and then you'll dissect it. >> the question i think you really want to ask me is how am i go to be different? >> go ahead. that is one of my questions. go right ahead. >> what you're going to see is a conservative speaker that takes a conservative congress that takes a strategy to fight and win. let me give you one example. everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she's untrustable. >> fred, when he links the benghazi commission to her dropping numbers he's confirming the existence of a vast right

wing conspiracy, no? >> i don't really think so. look, i have a bias here. i know kevin mccarthy quite well. my son actually works for him. i think it was inartfully said. he was saying look, he seemed to be implying this was done politically to get hillary clinton. when you see what the committee has actually done, the benghazi committee, they have been very straight. look what they uncovered. we wouldn't know anything about the server. we wouldn't know anything about the e-mails or the 400 or more highly classified, maybe they weren't marked that, but classified material that was going over this unprotected e-mail system that hillary clinton had. we wouldn't know any of that, that's what's hurt her. it's not because this benghazi committee has been political. >> morton, is he ready for prime time? kevin mccarthy? >> he's not ready. he was sucking up to sean hannity. he was giving sean hannity an answer that he wanted. what have you accomplished as a member of congress?

well, as a matter of fact, you don't even know about this -- maybe you do -- the house of representatives has passed a huge increase in medical research funding sponsored by fred upton of michigan, which -- which is a positive development that will benefit the entire country. does anybody know about it? >> i mean, kevin mccarthy ought to be citing things that have been accomplished by the republican house, if they have. the things that have been. >> gentlemen -- >> -- that benefit everybody, not just the republican party. >> gentlemen, i've got to ask you the question because you've written now the definitive book on jack kemp. what would jack kemp think of donald trump leading his party? >> he would be totally disgusted. he is -- look, he was -- when he died, he was unhappy with where the republican party was going. this is off a cliff.

jack kemp is the antithesis in every possible way except high energy of donald trump. jack kemp was in favor of citizenship for illegal immigrants with good records. he was in favor of free trade. he was in favor of positive ideas. he never assaulted an opponent, he would -- the whole idea of running by division is something that had he would be absolutely against. >> look, i work for him, as both of you know, and, fred, i pulled from your book just a coming of reminders. a guy with a strong bipartisan streak. supportive of tax cuts possessed the forethought to oppose the iraq invasion. he was equally reverentialing of mlk and abraham lincoln. final question for fred barnes, could jack kemp have competed in this incarnation of the gop?

>> yes, i think he would have been the voice of the republican party. i think he would have been a dominant figure, the party would be better. >> you think in a party where 52% or 53% are supportive of trump, carly and carson would have been supportive of jack kemp? >> yeah, jack was a very dynamic figure. the republican party needs him. there's also a lesson from jack kemp for president obama. president obama is going to be remembered as the president who wouldn't compromise. a lot of what he's done is going to be erased by the new president if he or shes a republican. kemp was always ready to compromise. and the things that he succeeded in are things that are part of the fabric of the american society. >> i agree the country has a need for him. whether this incarnation of the gop would be receptive to him is a whole different question. gentlemen, the book is tremendous. i appreciate you being here. >> thank you. >> thanks, michael. coming up trump and fiorina both ceos claiming their

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more to the point, are ceos qualified to run the country? >> donald trump and carly fiorina of two of the top in the polls despite having zero experience in elected office. and trump said he'd like to name a ceo as his secretary of treasury, take a listen. >> specifically, who do you think -- give us a name on wall street that you might consider as a secretary of treasury? >> i'll tell you what, i like guys like jack welsh, henry kravitz, i'd like to bring my friend carl icahn. we have people that are better

at negotiations. we don't use them, joe, we use people that are soft and weak and frankly stupid and incompetent. >> who better to ask about the whole ceo phenomenon than one of those people trump named. former ceo of ge, jack welsh. joins me from las vegas. jack, if he asks, will you serve as treasury secretary? >> no. >> why not? >> michael, i have got a wonderful life. i'm doing my thing. i'm out in vegas talking to groups. i've got my school. i've got a lot of things on my plate. and i don't want a full-time job. >> does the ceo skill set transfer, do you think, to the white house? >> well, parts of it do, clearly. i mean, there's no clear that leadership, making decisions, setting priorities, differentiating between priorities. absolutely would it translate.

now, some of the give and take. some of the negotiating skills, that would depend on the person. >> your tenure at ge was legendary. a 1981 to 2001 reign. the stock value increased 4000% if i'm not mistaken. do you think that jack welch could have gone from ge, from 30 rock to pennsylvania avenue? >> i probably wouldn't have been elected because i'm too opinionated. >> that's trump's blessing and curse, right? >> could i have done the job? absolutely. would i have the skills? absolutely. could i have been elected? would i want to run, would i want to be in that menu? absolutely not. and i don't think i'd be elected. >> isn't that both trump's blessing and his curse that he so opinionated and unmuzzled? >> it's certainly made this race a lot more interesting.

it's must-see tv when he shows up. i've talked to groups in the last week or two, groups of thousands, the first question is trump. trump is on everybody's mind. >> i have the same with my radio callers on sirius sm. i can't take my eye off the trump fnen nom none either. i guess the serious question is whether he has the temperament to be president of the united states. what does jack welch think about that? >> well, i've had two or three things with business with him and he sure gets things done. we had a real estate project, you probably have seen it in new york, it's called the trump international tower in central park. it was going bust. we found trump. gave him some sweat equity, he got the whole thing going, he fixed it in record time. and we walked away with $170 million from a wrecked building.

so, i mean, he gets things done. now, now whether or not -- i'm not here endorsing him. i'm just saying he is a doer. there's no question about it. he gets things done. >> let me ask you about another ceo on that stage getting a lot of attention. carly fiorina, of course, was the ceo of hp. your stock value increased 4000%. hers went down 52%. is that a fair metric on which her judge her tenure at hp? >> i had a longer tenure. i had more time to build my team. and hired away from a dysfunctional at hp. she may never have had the right chance or tune. i'm not here to judge her. her tenure in high tech at a very difficult time, i'm not that close to it to judge. and she got there, she fought through a maze of jobs in life to get there.

and she's been very impressive, surprisingly so to me, on the interviewing circuit, on the debate stage, she's been impressive. >> i know it's important to jack welch that republicans take the white house in 2016. so, who else on the stage is catching your eye thus far? give me another name. >> rubio, cruz, kasich. >> why does jeb bush's name not roll off of jack welch's lips? >> you know, not to quote donald trump, but he hasn't inspired me with his energy and his commitment to making this country grow again. to make this country -- he's got a great record in florida. he's certainly a very attractive man. but does he have the fire in the belly today to change the direction of this country? >> one question about the other side of the aisle. you want to see joe biden get into this?

>> well, i -- my view is, the republicans ought to be careful for what they would wish for. they were happy to have hillary lose the last time. and they got president obama. if they keep pushing on this on this thing too far, and joe comes in, i think he'll be a tougher competitor than hillary to beat. >> jack welch. don't put it all on red before you leave that town. >> i won't, michael. thank you so much for having me. >> thanks for being here. >> great. up next -- pulitzer prize winning journalist, big time historian david maraniss on america's gun problem and what it mean for the obama legacy and his fascinating new book on one of our great cities which gave us cars, music and so much more. how detroit fell so far. can it ever come back?

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it's become all too common for president obama to play consoler-in-chief. 15 times he sought to comfort us after mass shootings. >> i've had to make statements like this too many times. we must insist here today, there's nothing normal about innocent men and women being gunned down where they work. this is becoming the norm. and we take it for granted. we can't tolerate this anymore. >> the president's been pushing for tougher gun legislation to no avail. david maraniss is a pulitzer prize winner, noted historian. joins me from detroit. his latest book "once in a great city" is all about detroit's fall from an american success story to a symbol of urban decay. we'll get to that. let me tap david maraniss and ask, because you wrote a book on

president obama titled "the story." how titled is his legacy? >> i also wrote a book about bill clinton. i'd like to start by saying after clinton's presidency when he asked what his greatest regret was, he said failure to stop the genocide in rwanda. i think all of the problems president obama has faced he might say it's his failure to stop the issue of mass shooting in america. he has given eloquent speeches and now expressing frustration and anger. i think his regret might be, after sandy hook, he didn't everyday keep pounding away and talking about this, instead of just waiting for the mass shootings and giving those eloquent speeches. >> yesterday, he said the main thing he intends to do is talk about it. you've chronicled the '60s like no one else.

if it were lbj he would have been horse dollaring people on capitol hill and trying to cut some kind of a deal. is it president obama such a polarizing figure to ever get the republican votes that he needs? >> well, i think that's half of the equation. the politics in the united states are too polarized. i wouldn't put all ofthe blame on president obama. >> i didn't mean to. it's a pox on both of their houses, i think. >> absolutely. >> hey, detroit, like so many of other big cities have been plagued by gun violence. like many americans, 2011, you're watching the super bowl when that chrysler commercial comes on. and it really impacted you, how, why? >> we're from america -- >> it evoked all of the iconic images of detroit. the joe lewis fist. the mural of troy industry. and it hit me in a deep way because i was born in detroit. and that got me thinking about

what i could to do to write about detroit in its magical moment. what it gave america -- cars, motown, strong labor under united autoworkers. walter ruther, strong civil rights support during that key period of the '60s. i wanted to write about that moment of magic and incandescence in detroit and the shadows of what was to come. >> life can be luminescent when most vulnerable. what does that mean? >> that means at that point, 1963, everything seemed to be shining in detroit. and yet, all of the shadows of what was to come were there. the structural problems of it being a one-company town and the auto industry essentially abandoning detroit and the emotional tensions. ever since world war ii, over housing and jobs, the same frustrations that play out in 1967, just after my book, the

difficulties that so many urban places were facing, in terms of a declining population. sociologists in 1963 predicted that the city would lose 500,000 people a decade from then on. sadly, they were correct. >> they were right. i loved your treatment of lee iacocca. a good lehigh man and the rollout of the mustang. it occurred to me when i read the book, and ironically, detroit, while making those cars was taking itself down because dares gave mobility to individuals who were living in detroit and other cities to escape to suburbia. that's so much the fact of unintended consequences. in two ways in detroit, the freeways and the cars were sort of tearing apart the traditional african-american communities in detroit, making it easier for at the same time the whites to get out of the city and making it harder for the blacks to keep their communities intact.

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only from xfinity. 7:00 p.m. eastern, 4:00 p.m. pacific. i'm poppy haar low in new york. thank you for being with me. we begin this hour in oregon, remembering the victims is of the deadly massacre this week. we know the man who killed nine people and wounded nine others on the college campus committed suicide. we learned a short time ago when the sheriff spoke to the public we did indeed learn that he committed suicide after carrying out the heinous act. the shooter's father speak out for the first time one on one with ryan young. ryan joins us now from just outside los angeles in