u.n. tune in next sunday as i'll be talking to more of the world leaders who are in new york for that general assembly. thanks to all of you for being part of my program. i'll see you next week. good morning. reliable sources will begin in a moment but breaking news it's only getting worse and worse in south carolina as historic rainfall is causing catastrophic flooding in parts of the southeast with 15 inches of rain in some spots. there are dams breaking, bridging buckling, whole buildings collapsing and the local national weather service announcement calling the amounts mind boggling. these are live pictures of wis in columbia. they have been doing exemplary work all morning. the anchors begging people not to venture out for the exact reasons you're seeing now. people in apartment buildings unable to leave because the flood waters are so high. these are the pictures we're

able to see. there are other areas we're not able to see yet where evacuations are ongoing. reports of some evacuations by helicopter. citizens are being told to remain where you are if you're safely able to do so. the truth is it's too soon to assess the damage or know how many people have been hurt because it's still happening. the flood is a very basactive situation. nick, the priority is keeping people inside. >>. >> that's the major concern this weekend, much different tone. on saturday we saw a lot of people out. they were out in that flood water. today the real big issue is it's affected the sewage system so there's a lot of floods and material, oil, gas and who knows what else in that water. the weather has been relentless.

you see the images there your screen. dozens of water rescues taking place. some residents in the neighboring county of charleston took shelter. that heavy rain and incoming also a concern today. high tide expected to happen on that coastal county of charleston. we could see more damage in the hours ahead. >> thank you very much. deep concerns for some of local communities we haven't heard from in local areas. this is a coastal event. it's also an inland event. we'll be bringing you more on the stories as the hours progress all day on cnn. turning now to thursday when a 26-year-old gunman opened fire at umpqua community college in roseburg, oregon killing nine people and wounding many more. there's a numbing sameness to these shootings.

there was one one big difference this time. it involves what we did not see. that's face of the gunman. think about it. can you picture him right now? maybe not. you night not even know his name. there's been a clear pull back in the amount of coverage given to the gunman when compared to mass shootings in charleston or new town. in this case the local sheriff refuses to name the killer. >> i will not name the shooter. i will not give him the credit he probably sought prior to this horrific and cowardly act. you'll never hear me mention his name. >> this is the issue that's being debated in news rooms all across the country this week. our job is to report news, all of it. the counter argument is getting attention. the news coverage makes them famous and makes copy cats more likely. a media campaign has challenged

all of us in the news business, challenged us to refrain from naming gunmen and showing their pictures over and over again. i want you to hear all sides of this argument starting with founders of the no notoriety. they're son alex was killed in the aurora theater shooting. thank you for talking with me. >> good morning. >> karen, we spoke on friday. you were feeling good you weren't seeing this face of this most recent killer. you weren't hearing the name very often. you feel your campaign is having an impact, right? >> of course. this is simple. rampage mass shooters crave the spotlight and the media is giving it to them. they are giving them a sort of ammunition to use to go on these rampage mass killings and that

ammunition the fame. >> you believe that we have seen progress in this most recent tragic vent. cnn has been using the name very occasionally and never shone the face of the gunman. one of the reasons is because we have seen in one of the blog posts that he thinks the more you would kill, the more attention you would get. we could tell he was seeking attention and thus media outlets denying that attention. tom, what do you say to journalists, many of whom have said on twitter that we have to dig into this person's past. we have to know who they are in order to learn lessons from this attack. >> i couldn't agree more. you do have to learn more what they are. the facts come up it's pretty much the same thing. these individuals, and this is what the data is saying, want as one of their motivational triggers fame. when you put, as you did when my son was murdered, the thing's

picture, 24/7 across the screen, you hit start button for all these disturbed people that want to go out and do this to start their planning and in some cases start the executions of their arts. no one is saying don't name them. you can name them once. don't be gratuitous. don't take them into anti-heroes and don't call them monostores. that's what they want. don't give it to them. our children are dying. >> the studies back this up. there was the latest study led at asu that concluded that there's a contain general effect in mass shootings and school shootings. >> all the people that are experts agree, the fbi, the chief of police, the fraternal brotherhood of police. everybody agrees, even the people who train to deal with these mass shooters when they are in progress, train our lee

rows that go out and stop them, don't name them. no one is saying don't name them ever. don't turn them into anti-heroes. >> tom, i can't help but notice when we spoke in january and again here this morning, you always say "thing." you say it to describe a gunman. you strip away their humanity in the way they should be treated. let me ask sarah this question. newtown was in some ways a turning point for this country. there's a perception that if nothing changed after newtown, nothing will change in future. that brings up the nra. the argument identify seen on fe people from twitter is it plays into the hands of the nra or plays into the hands of people that don't want to see any legislation happen because it takes away attention from the horrific act that was committed. where do you stand on that? >> i absolutely agree.

it lends itself to this implication we have seen over and over again that these are just isolated events. this is something that occurs that we can't stop from occurring. that's something that lends itself to that implication. it takes away from the larger picture which is the fact that on the same day as the ucc shooting, an average of about 30 or 32 other americans were also killed by gun violence. this happens every single day. this is something we should be talking about every single day. this is not just some random occurrence that occurs every once in a while. this is a pattern and needs to have solutions. >> jeb bush said he was taken out of context when he said stuff happens. there's a long sound bite on

youtube where you can hear what is said. you said it personally affects you when you hear mass shooter? >> i don't know the whole psychological reasons behind why. i do know that victim, family members and survivors and whole communities like newtown pretty much refrain from saying the shooter's name. it humanizes the act. it reminds us that a person made the conscious decision to commit something as horrific as what occurred. i think it's honestly a coping mechanism for survivors to distance ourself from that humanity and that decision and from that person and allows us to focus on our own healing and the positive change that we hope to create out of what happened. >> we saw on friday the words forget oregon gunman trending on twitter. popular on facebook as well. people directing attention towards the victims and heroes in roseburg. tom and karen, let me ask you about your campaign going

forward from here. you want news outlets to down play or very infrequently cover manifestos and statements from gunmen. is that something you're continuie ining to lobby for? >> this is just one part of a complex situation with shootings throughout our country. this goes across the aisle no matter what your feelings are on the gun issue, mental health. stopping notoriety and reducing rampage mass shootings can be accomplished right now. we don't have to wait for an act of congress or more funding. this is something that the media can do right now, a responsible response to reduces rampage mass shootings. >> in answer to your question,

don't post the manifestos. don't put them on your television screen. that's what these things want. don't give it to them or nor people will die. >> i appreciate you all being here sharing these stories. i know when these incidents happen it dredges up terrible emotions for all you have. it means a lot that you're willing to talk about it and persuade people out there. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i think there's been a lot of persuasion going on. we've been seeing it in news coverage. to hear the other side of this. let me bring in jim warren. jim, you and i both know this is an incredibly complex question. we've seen different decisions made on this story versus other stories. what do you believe is the right approach? s >> well, first of all, a sense of proportionalty.

incredibly heartfelt. their pain and frustration is s misguided when it comes to how much information should be out there. it doesn't mean you try to glamourize these folks. are they really all the same? is charleston the same as oregon. finally, we need this stuff to make sure that we don't pass out a whole lot of grotesque information. i wish these folks would look at the lines of a great 1978 play. it was about a war and war correspondence in some fictional african country and he turns and says people do awful things to

each other but it's worse in places where everybody is kept in the dark. information is light. information in and of itself is light. i think as painful as that might be, we've got to get as much as we can. the horse is out of the barn in a digital age. it doesn't mean you plaster the screen for hours. i think what you're doing is terrific. count counter pose this way the way you travel air tragedies. was it the engine, the wing, a drunken pilot. we have the ntsb or somebody giving us a report on what happened. if only we could do that in similar fashion among all these tragedies. since yesterday afternoon, six shootings of males in five different incidents in chicago.

sadly, nobody cares. >> i think you care. i think people in chicago care. >> perhaps. i think the headline was divine intervention. if you live in a nice, quiet neighborhood like i do on the north side of chicago, you're really not impacted by a lot of stuff happening on the south and west sides. your interest just isn't galvanized no matter what you may tell pollsters about your interest in gun control. >> you brought up an important point is there's misinformation that spreads after these massacres. i've been seeing a lot of information about the gunman. some claiming he was a muslim when it seems he was an atheist

tarti i targeting anyone who was religious. there must be a balance while we don't make these people famous. that's difficult when there's wall to wall coverage. >> it's something that you, yourself as a terrific journalist knows all about it. it's the problem of fact checking in a world in which you want to often be first not necessarily third or fourth or fifth with perhaps a more nuance take. it's awfully difficult. i feel for you guys. 24/7 cable channels. at papers it's a little bit easier. you can step back but even now the internet is pushing us down the path of getting something out quickly. that's when errors take place. i don't know how we avoid it. >> awfully complex. thank you for joining us. >> pleasure is mine. >> we want to stay on this topic

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journalists say there's some data available but not enough. news organizations who try to get gun license records are stymies. this week president obama handed reporters a data driven assignment. >> i'll ask news organizations because i won't put these facts forward, have news organizations tally up the number of americans who have been killed through terrorist attacks over the last decade and the number of americans who have been killed by gun violence. post those side by side on your news reports. this won't be information coming from me. it will be coming from you. >> using the data that is available, journalists like fox were quick to respond. he created this chart highlighting what is really is huge disparity. the president's twitter account shared that story and said

thanks zach. cnn also made a chart comparing 400,000 gun deaths versus 3380 terrorism deaths. here is a bar graph from the international business times showing terrorism deaths since 9/11 versus gun deaths last year and this year. some conservative media outlets were quick to push back. let's hear from zach. he's the world correspondent for fox. zach you made this pretty quickly. how do you respond to people saying you were doing obama's bidding? >> the president raise an important issue of national concern. i knew this data so i thought it was important to get the accurate facts out quickly and our readers would be interested in seeing it.

it's a form of fact checking fp the data doesn't didn't. i would have posted it any way. >> he's been using this device for some time, terrorism versus gun deaths. this is first time he's challenged journalists to make it a story. i wonder if this starts conversation about whether the mass shootings should be labeled a form of terrorism. >> i think that's interesting. the definition of terrorism is fraught and complicated. i think mass shootings are on their own terms. lots of people die and it's not necessarily political my motivated in the way we ordinarily understand terrorism to be. the policy solutions are often quite different. >> james, let me bring you in here. you run the trace. it covers gun issues every single day. you've started this site partly to create and make available more data because you say there's too much that's unknown

about this problem. >> part of the president's statement that i refer to, the fact that federal research is not happening. >> that's because it's been restricted by congress, is that right? >> that's right. the last time was 20 years ago that the cdc did meaningful research into that. there's an appropriations writer that's been continued on effort for 20 years. that's one place where you can point to the lack of data there. when federal dollars aren't spent it can be a disincentive. >> are journalists filling in the gaps? >> what's required to create those kind of data sets is often the kind of things that academics are better suited to do. one of the things we can do is facilitate the circulation of that research when it does come out. we can provide some of the fact

checking that zach was talking about and we can do some original reporting but as you mentioned in the intro, that is difficult. i think there's 27 states that bar access to concealed carry records. there's some reasons for that. there are reasons about not wanting that data shared. there's a valid argument to a certain extent on the gun owner side. you can't see how many of those concealed permit holders commit crimes. we did a quick peace in ohio. the rule there was that journalists could go county by county, look at the records but couldn't take notes. you had to memoriyize what was happening which made i useless. now the law is you can't see the records at all. there seems to be where public access information is this issue, it's a lot of stuff is kept behind closed doors. >> it's helpful to shed some

sunlight on these. it's funded by mike bloom berg. they wouldn't call it a gun control group but i would. the nra has called your site another thing to mislead america. how are you all trying to counter that? i assume you don't agree with that statement. >> i wouldn't agree with that statement. we have a couple other individual models. >> which means he's provided some of the initial money. >> right. that's absolutely true. we're in the process of raising some more as we go. he does pieces that i think have a lot of balance to them. there was one where he talked about being an ammo horder and

using that lightly. the idea of how does this ammunition market work. he's able to lay that out there. i think that's part of it. we have talked to gun owners throughout our coverage. >> you're saying doing the work every day. >> that's right. that is a belief we bring to this coverage that the rate of gun violence is too high. we're transparent about that. then we're journalists. we go and we seek out stories and report them out. that's what we do. >> on one of most poplarizing topics in america. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, hillary clinton does her best donald trump impersonation on snl.

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>> did somebody say vacation? oh, my god. they're multiplying. >> a cameo in that cameo. we talk about candidates success or failure. let's go out to hollywood, west hollywood to be specific. good morning. >> hi. great to see you. >> do you think clinton accomplished something last night on snl? >> yeah, of course. this is where voters are a lot of these days particularly young voters. keep in mind that first time voters next year were born at the end of the clinton presidency. in some ways she's introducing herself to them for the first time which is astounding to think about since she's the best known politician in america now. it was effective. she's allowing them to make fun

of her. she's going along with the game. this is an important medium for all candidates. they are spending time in places like this to find the voters. >> i thought the fact she appeared with the woman that mocks her was notable. that performance is very effective. i think it's got a lot of teeth to it and can hurt clinton overtime. >> it's definitely an issue once you've had human to human contact to somebody. do you approach it differently. i think snl's writers have been very smart in the way that they go after politics. the entire show really, the jokes about the guys who are sort of at the bottom of the presidential pack and they should get out because they have

dement dementia. have just a little bit of humor and it's funny and true in a lot of cases. >> i'm sure we'll see donald trump make his own cameo. i thought he might show up on the season opener, now i'm thinking later in month. i thought hillary's impersonation of trump was good. >> yeah. it was great. it was something that people think about. >> what do you mean? >> the fact that he calls people losers. if you interview somebody on the street, if they don't like him that's usually the thing they cite. it's an effective political dig as much as a joke. >> interviews this morning trump said he liked the impersonation but didn't like the wig. he thought the hair was totally off and they have to make that

better. i think it was notable the clinton knowledge to substantive issues. her delay in expressing the keystone pipeline and slow evolution of gay marriage. these were issues she was able to address and poke fun about within the confines of safe, comedic place. >> i had hoped you would have some reporting intel on this. like how much time did she have to review this ahead of time. did she know what the lines back to her. she seems like she's acknowledging i could come sooner. it's a sense from saturday night live perspective because they allowed her to be herself and have a fun routine where she's singing. >> i thought so. this is another example of how old fashion television still

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debates. >> in september, you raised this million dollars then you started campaigning. we've seen cnn mention your name in local polls. nbc put out polls. didn't mention you at all and some national polls haven't either. what are you doing to guarantee that at least you're tried by these pollsters. >> this is a system that's pretty good for billionaires and politi politicians. if i was a billionaire i could spend two years running. if i were a senator i could collect my paycheck while still being a senator. as a harvard professor i have to give up my paycheck the moment i start politicking for president. i can't connect any money from the company until two months before the primary.

>>. >> what are you doing to get attention to get on these polls? >> everybody we can. i have been the most active person fieging on this issue for the that's eight years. >> you're running a one issue campaign about campaign finance. tell us what the point is. >> it's not one issue. it's the fundamental issue. all these democrats are out there talking about all the things they're going to do. those things are incredibly important dealing with climate change, dealing with income inu quality, getting a minimum wage that's a living wage. they're not credible until we get a democracy first. we don't have that. >> you want the citizens equality act. this would promise what? >> this would change the corrupted system and making it so it's not a system depending on 400 families funding half the election so far. we would make it possible to have a representative democracy. they need a representative democracy if they'll get any of

the things they're trying to bet passed passed. >> a lot of news would say you're not a serious candidate because you're not planning on staying in office if you're elected. >> if you don't want to be the most powerful man in the world they're saying you're not serious. i want to get us a democracy back. question not get what the democrats are asking for until we get this democracy back. they won't say that. you won't ask about it. you let them go on. >> you're saying the press doesn't ask enough about money and politics? >> we spent the last eight weeks lining the depths of donald trump's train. it didn't take an eight week course to understand donald

trump. this is what we should be talking about. >> trump has brought up money and politics quite a lot accusing his rivals of corruption. >> thank god he did. if you're going to start talking about how we're going to take on wall street, you can't take it on until you change the way elections are funded. this is not a stunt. >> how can it be a stunt to be fighting for democracy? we don't have a democracy. everybody out there who is fighting because they believe we need to have health care we can afford because they believe it's time america have climate change.

those people who care about those issues have got to step back and say, wait a minute. we can't get what we want till we get this democracy back. that's what i'm trying to fight campaign for. this is a serious campaign. i've got incredibly senior managers in this campaign. he's done an incredible amount here. i've got to democrat guru, drew weston. this is a serious campaign. >> what are news executives say to you about that? i ask because cnn's first democratic debate is coming up. the threshold is 1%. in the polls we have seen you're below that 1%. >> i think the measure should be viability. i raised a million dollars in a shorter time than anybody else except for the top two candidates. >> should the networks use

fund-raising. >> they should use viability. they've been in this business for four, five, six months they haven't come up to fund raising in the speed i came up to that level. don't shut out an outsider because he's not a politician, merely because he's not a billionaire. i have earned the right to address this issue. i have talked about this issue more than anybody else. more people have seen me talking about this issue than anybody else in nation right now. this is the critical issue. what i'm trying to argue for is this fundamental idea. i get nobody knows my name but everybody knows this principle. this principle of democracy. barack obama used to joke that a black man with the name hussein can't get elected. i'll take his odds.

i'm a white class, middle-aged man, those odds are pretty long. fight for this principle shouldn't be that odd. they're all some day we'll get around to reform. it's got be day one. if it's not day one, it will never happen. if it doesn't happen, nothing they will are talk about will happen either. >> i don't think you have funny glasses. they're perfectly fine. thank you for being here. next, a journalist freed after more than a year in an egyptian jail launch a campaign to win the lease of colleagues that are still imprisoned around the world. you have to hear his story after the break. ♪

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raised so many concerns constructively and they did not respond to my complaints. i asked them, the first question, are we legal in egypt, is our broadcast license in place. the answer was, yes, it is. aimportantly we found in court that the broadcast license had been revoked days before i started the job. that made the situation much worse in court. it gave our captors more fire power. and then it gets even worse for me. the network sued egypt while we were in the cage and their own lawyer warned them. they rejected his warnings, so he quit in court, confirmed the accusations to the prosecutor. and i had written the network as well, don't sue egypt while we're in the cage. they didn't listen to us. it made our situation worse. that is also one example of how

it is a political score settling. there's another aspect to it. >> many people have said that these instances are increasing where journalists are being treated as geopolitical pawns. we talk about it on this program, journalists who are jailed for doing their jobs. it's hard to understand what it actually feels like. how would you describe what it felt like to be behind bars now that you're going to be advocating for other journalists in the same position? >> you don't go through an experience like this without being a changed man. that's what kept us going in solitaire confinement for one month. we knew that we were fighting now for a bigger cause, and you guys protected us. i also paid for my legal fees in prison. i founded this ngo in vancouver

to help journalists across the globe. we have 65 this year who died and more than 200 behind bars. i feel that's my way of giving back. i have a lot of experience myself now from what we have been through. i have a lot of contacts, photographer in egypt i am fighting for. atina in iran serving 12 years for a ka toon. part of what i'm going to be doing for the next phase. >> i'm glad you mentioned them. those cases continuing. thank you for being here this morning. appreciate the time. >> thank you very much, sir. we'll be right back in just a moment. a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought.

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