this is "new day" with alisyn camerota, chris cuomo and michaela pereira. >> it's october 5th, 6:00 in the east. we have breaking news, a 1,000-year flood in south carolina. first responders resuming search and rescue operations this morning. there have been hundreds of saves in deadly rushing water. at least count, five people killed on the state's roadways. that number almost certain to rise. governor nikki haley calling it the worst flooding in the state's history, a 1,000-year event. most highwayways in charleston remain closed. nick valencia, live in columbia, south carolina. how is it there, nick? >> good morning, alisyn. this storm has been lingering for several days here at this hydroelectricity plan t tity pl columbia, south carolina, they put out sandbags but it wasn't

enough. the river behind me swollen, the difference between today and a normal day, about 19 feet. a state of emergency under way, flood watches in effect from georgia to delaware as a deadly and historic amount of rain bears down on parts of south carolina. >> we haven't seen this level of rain in the low country in a thousand years. >> search and rescue operations will continue this morning in columbia. the capital pummeled by its wettest day on record. parts of the coast receiving up to 24 inches of rain in 24 hours. forcing more than 750 motorists to call for help sunday, trapped by the raging waters. >> our concentration right now obviously is emergency and rescue. >> reporter: officials deploying more than 600 national guard members. as local authorities say they've carried out 140 water rescues in one county alone. by air, the coast guard rescuing

a mother and her 15-month-old child from their flooded home. by boat, officials rescuing this man after he was found clinging to a tree after driving through a road barricade. >> this guy could have lost his life. luckily, we were able to get manpower down here. >> he just made a mistake. >> reporter: another motorist doing exactly what officials say not to do, try and drive through the deluge. moments later, the truck's bed is the only thing above water as a tree stops the vehicle from continuing to drift downstream. >> we have lost everything. >> reporter: for many, their cars left submerged. >> we continue to go through this, it's unlike anything we've ever seen. >> reporter: highways are closed, roadways are collapsing and dams breached. the historic rain overflowing lakes and rivers across

georgetown. >> the lake is past the tree line. >> reporter: forecasters are predicting another 10 inches of rain across the state and michaela, just in the last several minutes, the rain has starred to pick up again. ma kaichae michaela? >> nick, sobering images. thank you so much for that. torrential rain continues to fall this morning across south carolina, some of the hardest hit areas have already gotten as much as 2 feet of rain. so the question becomes how much more is going to come? and how long is it going to last? we turn to meteorologist chad myers live from the cnn center with a forecast. any relief in sight, chad? >> sure, michaela. it's going to stop today but it's already on the ground and running down the rivers. if you're talking flooding in columbia, that's the middle part of the state. that all has to eventually hit the ocean. there will be towns and cities that get hit hard even though the rain has stopped. this will happen for days and days and days. flash flood warnings from

charleston to myrtle beach. i've heard this called the 1,000-year flood. on average if you take where the river levels should be for a one-year flood, ten-year flood, 20-year flood, this is what we would consider to be once in a thousand years. there could be higher numbers than this. this was an event we haven't seen ever before. never before in the state's history. it's only been a couple for a couple, 300 years. this low pressure center spun for hours and hours and hours and pushed the same stream of rain over the same place. this is 24-hour rainfall. it just keeps going and going and going. finally we're stopping or at least slowing down. but not before, when you look at numbers like this for 24, 25, 19 inches in sumter, south of columbia about 24 inches of rainfall in three days. and it all puddled and clumped

into the rivers and the valleys and the water is still rising in some spots. chris? >> chad, important distinction you make. the rain stops, trouble doesn't stop. that's why we have to stay on the story. i'll be back with you in a little bit. let's get word from the ground right now, mr. becker, you hearing me okay? >> good morning. >> wish it were a better morning for you and the people there in south carolina. we've been hearing about the totals. we've been hearing about the ongoing nature of the chaos. where are you in terms of what you need to help deal with what's ahead? >> well, you're touching on one of our biggest fears is that really we had a little bit of lull in the rain, particularly in the columbia area, late yesterday and into last night. we don't want people to get a false sense of hope that this is over. we're expecting the flooding along our major rivers, possibly even more rain happening over the next several days.

this is going to be a long-term event. we have never seen an instance like this in south carolina before. one of the things that i can tell you this morning is that at least two counties are reporting ofrg 200 swift water rescues since we reported last night. one of the things we'll be looking at over the next couple of hours is strategy. it's still dark. most of the roads in south carolina are still closed due to flooding. those are for driver, motorist safety. we want people to stay off the roads. if they're dry where they are, stay put. >> are you able to handle this situation? knowing what you've already done, what you still have to do, do you have the equipment? do you have the man power? >> you can never be truly prepared for this. we can request assistance quickly from neighboring states or fema or federal agencies.

any resources coming up, we'll able to respond to those quickly. we originally had eight swift water rescue teams on the ground. we asked an additional nine from neighboring states. those are here and they are going to be out on missions very soon. >> you're looking at ten days of yofry her recovery here. i know these things are difficult to estimate. do you think you were in a position to start here? you've got blow back saying the state wasn't ready. is that fair criticism. >> as soon as we knew we'd get rain, coupled with the high tides, super moon, king tide, we were going to get a lot of water. we've had flooding in charleston the last two weeks. trying to get word out to people is always a challenge when the sun is out and the sky is blue. it's easy to stand by and look at rivers and say what could we have done differently?

we'll be looking at that for several years to come. right now we're focused on the emergency actions taking place, the life safety operations that we'll be engaging in throughout the day. >> all right. look, we are here standing by, ready to get out the word of what is needed. please let us know we're putting out the warnings that have come from you and the governor. stay home. don't go out into the water. only takes 12 inches to move a car, only a foot and a half of water that's moving to move a truck like we're showing on the screen right now. what else do you want people to know? >> absolutely. you get in your head sometimes i've got to get somewhere, this water isn't deep. you never know how stable the grounded is under moving floodwaters or standing floodwaters. we've seen multiple pictures and video coming in of washed out roads, sinkholes being formed after water recede, if you will. don't risk it. if you have to ask you can go to this road, that's your clue. stay home and stay safe. >> last point for right now.

i'm home, stuck in my house. i have to get out, the water is scaring me. i have medical needs or others around me do, what's the best course for a south carolinaen right now? >> call 911. if you have a life-threatening emergency, call 911. this is no time to worry about clogging the phone lines or thinking that your threat or emergency or what you're going through isn't that big of a deal to us. it is. call 911 immediately. >> are you going to put up auxiliary lines? >> yes. we are bolstering support, our counties, it's all based on local first responder requests. as soon as those requests come in, we're fulfilling them. >> mr. becker, as you get information, please pass it along to us. our producers will stay in touch. we'll get any word out you deem appropriate. >> thank you. >> good luck to you, sir. alisyn. possible clues found in the search for the cargo ship "el faro." the coast guard finding a 225

square mile debris field that includes styrofoam, wood and cargo. there's no official confirmation that the pieces are from the ship. fate of the 33 people on board, including 28 americans, is still unknown. new and concerning this morning, universities in the philadelphia area are on high alert after being notified of an unspecified threat. they were notified by the fbi. evan perez is live in washington with all the latest. what do we know, evan. >> reporter: this morning, about potential violence today has about 20 universities in the philadelphia area on alert. this is all because of social media postings that make reference to last week's community college massacre in oregon. one of the postings claims, quote, the first of our kind has struck fear in the hearts of america. on october 5th, 2015 at 1:00 p.m. central time, a fellow robot will take up arms against a university near philadelphia. the postings prompted the fbi and atf to issue advisories to

the colleges in the area. and law enforcement officials say there's no specific threat but the fbi says it warned universities out of an abundance of caution, but, quote, no specific college or university was identified in the posting. this all comes on a weekend when authorities in northern california announced they arrested four high school boys who they believed planned a shooting attack on a gathering at their school. this, authorities tell me, could end up being a hoax. for for t colleges that received these warnings were temple, drexel and university of pennsylvania. they say they plan to increase safety patrols today. ideas to address the violence that surrounds us, some presidential candidates have decline, others have yet to respond. hillary clinton is one who says she does have a plan that's going to be coming out soon.

it includes closing the gun show loophole that allows private sales without background checks. also, allowing victims of gun violence to sue firearm manufacturers and she promises to use executive action to force change. now to a bone-chilling account of the oregon community college massacre. one of the students inside the classroom is breaking her silence, exclusively, telling cnn the gunman entered her room calm and ready to kill. we want to warn you, this account is graphic and deeply disturbing. cnn's sara sidner is live in roseburg, oregon. what have you learn. >> reporter: tracey hew is a mother of three children. she was in the front row of classroom 15 when the gunman came in and she thought she would never see her children again. >> i really don't know how i survived. i just -- i don't know. i was actually planning on just, you know, waiting to see the black light, waiting to see

anything anymore. >> reporter: tracey hew live because she played dead. >> i was sitting in the front of the classroom, facing the teacher when everything happened. he just came in and shot towards the back of the wall and told everybody to get in the center of the room. >> reporter: it was one of her fellow students, he showed up on the fourth day of classes with guns, not books. he set his sights on classroom 15 in snyder hall at umpqua community college. >> he seemed happy about it. he didn't seamstressed or nervous. but when he came in, he told everybody to get on the ground. everybody tried to huddle to the ground and then the girl in the wheelchair tried to get -- she got off and tried to get down on the ground. >> wait. there was a woman in a wheelchair during all this? >> she had a dog with her. the dog was just on the ground. she got off the chair.

she where t she went on the ground, he told her to get back on the chair. she tried to get back and he shot her. >> reporter: he turned his attention to professor larry levine. >> he was trying to crawl down to the ground with us. he shot the professor and then he started shooting everybody on the ground. that's when i knew that, you know, this is it. i'm probably going to die, you know? i probably won't see my kids anymore. i probably won't see anybody anymore. >> reporter: face down on the ground, hit by a bullet in the hand, she thought about her three children. >> the warmth of the blood that was all over me, that's when i knew it was real and i remember whispering to one other person that was next to me, he's only one person. we have to do something about it or we're all just going to die. >> reporter: then she heard the shooter make a promise. he would spare someone.

what did he say exactly? >> he said that you're the lucky one. i'm going to let you live but i'm going to need you to tell the police everything that happened and give them this. >> reporter: he handed the man an envelope to give to police and then started asking his victims about their religion. >> he just asked them are you christian? do you believe in god? they said yes, he said, good, i'll send you to god. you'll be visiting god pretty soon and he shoots them. then he asked them about being catholic. he said yeah. he still shot them. i seriously don't know where he shot them or who he killed. he shot them either way. >> reporter: she said she could see that he was remorseless, that he seemed happy about what he was doing. he was smiling most of the time and that she felt like he had no mercy for anyone. four days after the shooting with be she still carries another a sad memento, her cell

phone has blood inside of it. that blood, some of that blood ended up saving her life because the shooter thought she was dead because she was covered in it. alisyn? >> i'll take it here, sara. we're all stunned into silence listening to this young woman tell the story about what happened, what a chilling, chilling, horrifying account. we'll talk with you more coming up in the morning. right now, breaking news. north korean officials have just released an nyu student detained for several months. that student entered the country illegally, a 21-year-old south korean citizen. he was handed over at the border with the south in the last 90 minutes. this just happened. kathy novak joins us with the latest. what do we know? >> reporter: well, michaela, this is an nyu student who illegally crossed from china into north korea back in april. he told cnn in may that he wanted to be arrested. that he thought that his actions would bring about some kind of great event.

he was facing serious punishment but instead what seems to have happened is that north korea has released him, handed him back over to south korean authorities just in the past couple of hours. now, the ordeal may not quite be over. he is a u.s. permanent resident but south korea citizen. south koreans may not simply cross into north korea without special permission. the national intelligence service here is investigating whether he may have broken local laws. alisyn. >> thanks so much for that. also breaking news overnight, another ancient treasure destroyed by isis, this time, the 1800-year-old arc de triomphe in palmyra. unesco, the united nations cultural organization condemned the destruction of palmyra as, quote, war crimes. we all want less gun violence?

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the gun laws have nothing to do with this. this isn't guns. this is about mental illness. i feel strongly about it. politically correct, we'll solve the problem, there will be no problem, et cetera, et cetera, you're always going to have difficulties, no matter how tight you run it. >> that was gop front-runner donald trump saying stricter gun laws will not prevent mass shootings, you'll always have problems. hillary clinton says she has a plan to curve gun violence. >> we have errol lewis and brianna keilar with us. what is hillary clinton expected to unveil today? >> reporter: a couple of key

things here, alisyn. one being a closure of a loophole when it comes to purchasing a weapon. that would be the gun show loophole which would allow people to go to i agun she and sell a weapon in an owner-to-owner purchase that allows them to go around and not get a background check. the other key thing we need to zero in on is that she is proposing allowing gun violence victims to -- allowing gun violence victims to sue gun manufacturers. this is key because bernie sanders is beating her in the polls here in new hampshire and yet while he's left of her on some issues, he's to the right on others. that includes guns. he's voted against legislation that would allow gun manufacturers to be sued. this is something she's doing to really draw contrast with bernie sanders, allison. >> that's interesting. she's drawing contrast between herself and the whole gop side who have said we have gun laws. >> this is a sweet spot for hillary clinton. this harkins back to the brady

bill in 19595, one of the crowning achiefments of her husband's administration. >> what is the politics and then what is the policy? what is she proposing that actually matters? what laws actually matter here that we don't have already? >> some of the loopholes, early estimates are that it might affect 2,000, 3,000 odd situations. there's an important loophole she is talking about closing which is this so-called charleston loophole where an innocent clerical mistake prevented the fbi from completing a background economic in 72 hours, three days. that what allowed dylann roof to get weapons. >> if the background check is not completed within 72 hours, it's not that you don't get the gun, you do get the gun without a background check. >> the default is ownership as opposed to further investigation. in this case, some clerk put in the wrong arresting agency for some background during a background check, he had

admitted that he had drug proo s -- problems and admitted to committing some crimes. the fbi couldn't track it down within three days and, therefore, he got the weapon. >> the problem here that we have is the compromise on whether or not to have checks 0 are not has come down to timing. many gun owners will tell you, if you need a gun today, you probably shouldn't be given a gun at all. it has come down to timing. this 72-hour thing sounds ludicrous. i see it in your face when you hear it. that's what it comes down to, timing. what laws will you change? you have the gun show loophole. >> should be closed. >> they're saying right now only registered owners get banged with the laws. if you go to get a gun, it will be hard for you. if you want to buy a gun from me, in new york state, you have laws. in a lot of states you don't, errol. >> that's right. >> they don't want to mess to those. >> person to person. >> freedom of exchange. >> that's what she's talking about closing. >> stepping in and sort of making it more difficult.

but these end up being proxies for the big question. that's really what all of this debate has been about for, say, the last ten years. this is a proxy for are you going to make it easier or harder? and it's going to kind of be a yes/no thing. it's a divisive issue. hillary clinton is signaling that in this divided, the polls say 52/48, she's going to play these politics. that's basically her style. that's basically her path to victory next year if she's going to have a victory. >> brianna, let's talk about how that will play in new hampshire. that's the live free or die state. let's look at the polls about how she is doing in new hampshire. right now, she is behind bernie sanders. he's at 48%. she's at 39%. >> that's right. bernie sanders from neighboring vermont has been doing well here. certainly new hampshire has this libertarian streak, but i think the clinton campaign is comfortable in feeling that this is something that is going to

play well here. that's a calculation that they're making. what's interesting, i think, to people who are looking at this debate now happening is, is anything really going to happen when you look at a campaign policy proposal. we have seen. this has been frustrating. a compromise on background checks failed in the senate. in a way, this is something that i do think, looking at hillary clinton's record, she believes in but at the same time, when you look at the political feasibility of this, it seems to be really up in the air. she is talking about using some executive action in order to, i think, appeal to democrats on that. >> it also goes to, errol, the idea of these mass shootings. they are less than 1% of overall gun crime. >> still, they're so sickening and so troubling. they make you want to do something immediately. >> ythey absolutely do. we have to not be confused about

why do we have gun violence. it's big major urban areas, organized crime, gangs. it works but nobody cares about them. somebody will talk about iraq, it's the mass shootings that wind up making people feel like they have to do something. we don't like to cover them. >> school shootings in particular, school shootings strike a nerve with people around the country. they should. >> but they have easier solutions than the regular crime. >> 60% of gun deaths are suicide. you're not talking about a majority of these being school related. >> a lot of these guys are suicidal. >> they end up taking themselves out. >> so yuicide is a hostile act. sandy hook, the nation being stirred to action, we thought that would be it.

a bill out of senate was supposed to move this forward. even that couldn't get past. >> the sheet ee ee eer -- shoot, his mother had the guns legally. gun security, access, is a big issue for people. you almost never hear someone getting prosecuting for someone else getting their guns and committing a crime. >> herein lies the issue. >> these mass shootings will not be a catalyst for change. you have to have somebody who thinks smartly about where the real pockets of necessity are when it comes to gun violence. they're there. >> the liability, clinton is expected to talk about today, that gets to that point. if you can be sued -- buy the gun and it passes out of your ownership, that's the end of it. if that liability can come back to you at some point. >> you don't go after a car manufacturer because they made the car. >> sometimes you do. >> if the car is faulty.

the gun is not faulty, it's who's using it. >> the background check, whether some of the gun stores are doing what they're supposed to do. >> going after manufacturers sounds good to the lefties. >> errol, brianna cab can you tell we have a lot to talk about with regard to this issue. tweet us using #newdaycnn or post your comment on facebook.com/newday. find chris maine on twitter. >> i'm not on twitter anymore. >> yes, you are. constantly. also, the first democratic debate will be hosted by cnn and facebook. it's just a week away. october 13th, 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. this is sure to come up, michaela. there's outrage following the weekend bombing of a hospital in afghanistan. it killed 22 people. doctors without borders wants an independent investigation of that air strike in kunduz. we'll give you a live report,

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we are following breaking news in south carolina. rescue and search operations resume this morning. first responders from multiple agencies looking for people who may be trapped by the flooding. hundreds of daring water rescues completed over the weekend. governor nikki haley calling the historic flood a thousand year event and blaming five deaths on the south carolina roads on the flooding. >> the group doctors without borders is demanding an independent investigation of a deadly bombing at one of its hospitals in the afghan city of kunduz. here's what happened. 22 people were killed by a blast, 12 staffers, 10 patients in that number. the pentagon is now acknowledging it may have accidentally hit the facility during a military operation. doctors without borders says it is now pulling out of kunduz and wants to know more about how

this could have happened. >> this morning, pope francis opening the vatican's three-week synod on family issues. bishops from around the world will discuss how the church should respond to the needs of the modern catholic family. the gathering happening as a now fired vatican priest comes forward to announce he is in a same-sex relationship. monsignor krysztof charamsa. let's have levity, shall we? hillary clinton severing up the laughs on "saturday night live." >> she was funny. >> i haven't seen it yet. i can't wait to. i'll see a clip. >> how about we show it to you? >> the donald. >> donald trump? isn't the one that's like, uh, you're all losers? i'm just an ordinary citizen who believes the keystone pipeline

will destroy our environment. >> i agree with you there. it did take me a long time toe decide that but i am against it. >> mrs. clinton, sorry to interrupt. i just wanted to say, my sister's gay. thank you for all you've done for gay marriage. >> you're welcome. it is great how long you've supported gay marriage. >> i could have supported it sooner. >> well, you did it pretty soon. >> could have been sooner. >> fair point. >> i love her arguing with herself. it's so good. the one who plays her to do it right in front of her. i love that with sarah palin and tina fey, too. >> that part is great. it's a no-lose for hillary clinton to go on here. >> well, it is -- it is potentially lose if you can't look in the mirror, which is what you're doing with the doppelganger there and not laugh at yourself. people are watching. she did well. i love the line where the fake

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if you want to figure out what's going on in syria, you need to hear from the man running syria right now. his name is bashar al assad, he's called the president there. he's given his first interview since russia garn air strikes in his country. in it, he praises russia and iran and slams western nations as terror supporters. seems backwards. you have to understand it from his perspective. he also talks about the air strikes going on there and how a

russia warplane violated turkish air space over the weekend. what's his take? it nearly sparked an international incident. we have with us steven seche, the former u.s. ambassador to yemen. mr. ambassador, good to have i don't with us. let's look at what he says and you can help us figure out what it means. terrorism on the one hand in these western countries on the other are perpetrating the same act, they attack terrorists but they are terrorists in their policies, whether by imposing sanctions or by supporting terrorism. all right. the perspective of this man given who he is and what he's accused of perpetrating on his own people, what is your read about that? who is the bad guy here? >> well, i think bashar al assad, chris, is feeling pretty much void by the russian support. his a big morale boost since the russian forces came in. i think what he's trying to do now is create a justification

for the russian entrance into syria and its support for the regime of bashar al assad and also at the same time, speaking to the iranian audience, the international audience to say we are back, we're stronger, prepared to defend my regime and all those who are opposed to it are on the wrong side of the fight. i think evidence will suggest that that's the wrong view for bashar al assad to take. >> what case can you make that bashar al assad is good for his people. >> i can't imagine a case that would make an argument like that. what we're see youing now is the response from the international community that says we will fight the fight we need to in syria. there's a last strongholds of the bashar al assad regime. >> the side note, the russian plane going through turkish air space, that is not an accident, that is testing limits. it gets escorted out by the

f-16s. the russian fighters want nothing to do with that fire power in the air. what is the message there and what do you think the response needs to be? >> we're seeing the fact that russia will test our resolve. we'll see how willing we and our allies are. this kind of testing will continue in talk of a no-fly zone is something we need to be cautious about as before we determine exactly what will be the rules of engagement, what russia really wants, how far it's willing to push and what we are willing to do in response. >> that's the big question, right? you talked to senator john mccain. at a certain point, you have to show whether or not you are a punk and willing to use force. that will be the measuring stick for the u.s. right now. next quote from assad. this is about russia. the russians talk to us about all the details concerning the syrian situation, including anything raised with the russians by any other country or any discussion between them and those countries whether they

were allies, owe points or enemies. there is complete transparency in this relationship. he's making the point that russia is being a fair broker here, it's not an inside situation. what's your take? >> well, clearly bashar al assad is making the russian case. i think the russian case is pretty weak. i think that vladimir putin and russia went in because assad is so weak. he really needed shoring up. his troops are demoralized, numbers are down. isil is moving in from the northeast. they're around in the northwest. i think what he really sees now is a life line. he's making every possible argument he can that this is a life line that's well adjusted by giving the forces that are aligned against him. >> here's the biggest gamut in terms of the case that he's making. let's put up assad's statement about the u.s. what is more painful is the exploitation of the refugees problem on the part of western countries and western media. they portray is as a

humanitarian tragedy written they feel pain, where the reality is, they are the greatest contributors to this condition through their support of terrorism and through the sanctions they imposed on syria. >> the sad reality, everyone involved in syria has begin to move together and mobilize to make sure this mass migration can find a way to stop. that means the u.s., turkey, our arab allies, all those assigned with bashar al assad. because everyone has a role to play in this. playing a blame game is useless. there's a human tragedy unfold be with. bashar al assad and everyone else needs to find wa way to ge this to an end. >> this new initiative of the u.s. military on rocca, what do you know about it? what's the plus/minus? >> isil or isis is really strongest, will occupy them and maybe that leaves the russian

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a community in roseburg, oregon is left with so many questions about why a gunman stormed a college campus and opened fire, killing nine people.

among those left wondering why this happened, the gunman's father. our ryan young spoke to him exclusively and joins us now from roseburg, oregon with that conversation. i'm sure it was a difficult one. >> reporter: difficult, obviously it's one of the toughest pars of our job when we go to someone's door and knock on it, especially in a situation like this. the father is searching for answers himself. he kept stressing over and over, he wanted to reach out to the families involved in this. he talked to us for about 25 minutes, 5 of the minutes on camera. you can feel his pain in terms of how he wanted to move forward, how he wanted to ask questions about how his son could even have all the guns that he ended up having. >> how on earth could he compile 13 guns? how can that happen? you know? they talk about gun laws. they talk about gun control. every time something like this happens, they talk about it and nothing is done.

i'm not trying to say that is the blame for what happened but if chris had not been able to get ahold of 13 guns it wouldn't have happened. >> did you know he had 13 guns? >> i had no idea he had any guns. i had no idea that he had any guns whatsoever. and i'm a great believer that you don't buy guns -- don't buy guns, you don't buy guns. >> even you, you want changes? you want the gun laws to change? >> it has to change. it has to change. how can it not? even people that believe in the right to bear arms, you know, what right do you have to take people's lives? that's what guns are, the killers. simple as that. simple as that. it's black and white. what do you want a gun for? >> a lot of people talk about his mental make-up. police will dig into that. what do you understand about his

mental make-up? >> i'm going to let the police follow through with all the investigations on that. whatever they determine is something they'll find through their investigations. i don't have any comment to make on his mental state, obviously somebody goes and kills nine people has to have some kind of issue. he's my son. he's my son, you know? there isn't any kind of disharmony or bitterness or anything like that between him and i. when he was down here, we saw each other, went for dinner and did things that sons and dads do, just talk and -- he lived with his mother the whole time. he didn't come and live with me at all. so we had a harmonious relationship. >> you spoke to him at length off camera.

did he talk any more about troubling signs that he had seen in his son? >> reporter: you know, none that he wanted to mention. he kept stressing to us over and over again, at first he only wanted to answer a few questions. he ended up going so forthcoming. one of the things he talked about was he wanted police to do their investigation. he had no idea this was even ever a possibility. he understands now that a lot of people will view his son as a monster. >> that's the part for him that's so hard, i'm sure. obviously this was a child -- his parents were divorced, correct? >> yes. >> when was the last time he saw his son. >> the last time was before his family moved to oregon. he really had no way to provide us with extra information in terms of why his son may have turned this way. look, he said he didn't know he

had the 13 guns. that was the thing that blew us all away. he's calling for gun control. that astounded all of us during the interview. >> ryan young, thank you so much. he joins a horrible group of people, parents of people who have committed these kinds of mass shootings and they struggle to understand why their own child could perpetrate such a horrendous act. >> this is what is ultimately so unsatisfying. i applaud him for speaking out. we always want to hear from the family. how could this have happened? what ends up being unsatisfying is there is no answer. often when you ask the parents, they didn't see it coming. he was estranged, not from his son but he hadn't seen him for over a year. still, no sign. you want them to put the puzzle pieces together and he couldn't put the pieces together. >> no sign he wants to talk about. the push back on this man, this family, where were you in this guy's life? there's no way he spontaneously

combusted. >> should parents be held responsible for their adult children's -- >> he's an adult. he's 26 years old. >> you're going to bear that. >> many will say you should, because somebody knows about what was going on with this guy. >> there were signs. there had to have been. >> that's going to be a big factor here. hearing it from this man, it made sense. >> where else do we go for any answers about him? we'll be talking a lot about this throughout the program. we have a lot of news to get to this morning. let's get right to it. the state of emergency for the state of columbia. >> just don't be stupid. don't try to drive through flooded areas. >> hundreds of saves in deadly rushing water. >> the best thing is that we still have our lives. we still have our lives. hillary clinton proposing new gun control measures overnight. >> he shot the professor and just started shooting everybody. >> did you know he had 13 guns? >> i had no idea he had any guns.

large debris field has been located. >> the biggest concern we have not heard from this vessel. >> the blame that's to be done is on the hurricane, not the captain. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, everyone. welcome back to your "new day." we do begin with breaking news in south carolina. the flood ravaged state gets even more rain. first responders fighting the historic high water levels this morning. to rescue people who need to be evacuated. hundreds of daring water rescues already carried out over the weekend. >> governor nikki haley is calling the flood a thousand-year event. that's about chance of happening, not historical context. take a look at the streets and roadways. they've had at least five fatalities. we don't know the number. it's likely to rise. and many, many thousands are without power. that will get worse as well.highways in charleston remain closed and with good reason. let's begin our coverage with

cnn's nick valencia, live in columbia. the swagituation there now? >> good morning, chris. just within the last hour, the curfew, that 12-hour curfew for the city of columbia has lifted. the rain has not let up. it's almost as if the storm is lurking over the state of south carolina. a state of emergency under way in multiple states along the east coast this morning. flood watches in effect from georgia to delaware as a deadly and historic amount of rain bears dunn on parts of south carolina. >> we haven't seen this level of rain in the low country in a thousand years. >> reporter: search and rescue operations will continue this morning in columbia. the capital pummeled by its wettest day on record. parts of the coast receiving up to 24 inches of rain in 24 hours. forcing more than 750 motorists to call for help sunday, trapped

by the raging waters. >> our concentration is emergency and rescue. >> reporter: officials deploying more than 600 national guard members as local authorities say they've carried out more than 140 water rescues in one county alone. by air, the coast guard rescuing a mother and her 15-month-old child from their flooded home. by boat, officials rescuing this man after he was found clinging to a tree after driving through a road barricade. >> this guy could have lost his life. luckily, we were able to get manpower down here. >> he just made a mistake. >> reporter: another motorist doing exactly what officials say not to do, try and drive through the deluge. moments later, the truck's bed is the only thing above water as a tree stops the vehicle from continuing to drift downstream. >> we have lost everything. >> reporter: for many, their cars left submerged. >> we continue to go through

this, it's unlike anything we've ever seen. >> reporter: officials closing all highways across the city as roadways collapsed and dams were breached. the historic rain overflowing lakes and rivers across georgetown. >> the lake is past the tree line. >> reporter: this is a life-threatening storm, just within the last 24 hours here specifically in columbia, south carolina. we're hearing from the mayor's office that there have been three fatality. the rain has been relentless. >> you're right. it's been relentless .torrential rain is unprecedented as you heard nick say. and only getting worse this morning. how long will the rain fall? we turn to meteorologist chad myers with the forecast. as you mentioned before, just because the rain stops, the trouble does not cease. >> right. we talked about low country, upstate and what that means in

south carolina. i'll go over it again. it means all of the water has to run downhill. we'll see 1 to 2 inches today in myrtle beach and maybe down toward charleston. that's it, 1 to 2. a lot of the energy from this system will move on up into north carolina on a pier into the outer banks. spread it around a little bit. it's what didn't happen over the weekend. we didn't spread it around. there's your 1 to 2 for today. the low pressure center was there. there goes the hurricane. that was joaquin, way out here. it was a separate low that made all of this happen. it was the low pressure that grabbed the tropical moisture and slammed it into north carolina. let me take you to a map here on the floor. here's what's going on. this is the low country, about 100 feet above sea level. this is upstate, thousands of feet above sea level. 2,000 to 3,000 feet. all the rain happened in the middle part of the state. it all has to rush downhill. even if you don't have rivers that are flooded in your area, those rivers may be flooded up above you and all that water still has to come downhill,

alisyn. >> oh, my gosh, chad, thanks so much for laying that out. steven benjamin, the mayor of columbia, south carolina, the state's capital. thanks so much for being with us on "new day." tell us what the situation is in columbia at this hour. >> alisyn, it's dire. we continue to work together, i will tell you, we couldn't have had greater support from our federal government, our u.s. army base here, ft. jackson, our governor is leading on this issue. all the local law enforcement, national guard folks are working together. the primary mission of preserving human life. we're working, of course, every single day to reserve property. the property can be replaced. we have three fatalities yesterday, we continue working to try and deal with this incredible challenge. thousand-year challenge. but we're doing it together. we appreciate you guys helping

to help us get the word out. we'll make sure you remain engaged so you can keep our citizens engaged with how l logistically how we will deal with day-to-day issues, drinking water, shelters, and the like. >> the fire chief has said he has lost track of how many rescues his guys have had to perform. do you have the manpower for what it's going to take to save lives today? >> well, absolutely. as we speak, as the sunrises, we're going to have a team of dozens of city police officers, dozens of sheriff's deputies and dozens of firefighters fanning out via copter, via boat or vehicle, going to rescue folks. we'll be knocking doors, as we check doors, we'll be marking them with an orange "x." just making sure that we've crossed every "t" and dotted every "i" in trying to preserve

human life. firefighters have indeed rescued so many people. that's why the curfew was so important. we had to get people off the streets so our first responders didn't have to go and fish out someone who didn't need to be on the streets. >> yes. >> they needed to be getting people out of their homes and helping people who needed help right now. >> mayor, you mentioned dri drinkable water. people don't have drinking water. the people who you're asking to stay home, do they have enough supplies? >>

as to where people can logistically go during the day. we have great corporate partners who are helping, walmart and others who are helping deliver thousands of bottles of water here. we're also in search of water buffaloes and other ways to try and effectively get water out in these types of situations. >> we are happy to help you get the word out about this. you said this is unlike anything you've ever dealt with before. can you give us a sense of what is making it so unique and dire? >> well, this is -- a couple days ago we were talking about a hundred year storm and one of our great local meteorologists said 200, 300-year storm. this is a thousand-year event. no one has seen something like this. we're talking about dams breaki breaking, at least a half dozen breaking across the city. we're talking about roads being damaged beyond repair, bridges being compromised. power lines and trees down.

prior to the storm coming, we had ten solid days of rain. so obviously, the ground is saturated. if we have strong winds, the ability for trees to fall down. our folks are coming together locally, not just our first responders. citizens as well. we'll get through this. 150 years ago, this great city burned to the ground. it's risen from the ashes. we'll do it again. >> if people do have power this morning, what is the one thing you want to tell them? >> if they have power, remain engaged, stay close to your tv. we'll make sure we get as much information out as possible. we know that an engaged, informed citizenry is an empowered citizenry, a more confident, more comfortable citizenry. we're working together to make sure we can get water. we're working with sg & e to

make sure people have power. this is a situation where a lot of us don't have the control we want to have. reman by your tvs. stay engaged and remain comfortable that everyone is working together on your behalf. >> mayor steven benjamin, we know you have a busy day. thank you for taking the time with us. thank you, mr. mayor. >> thank you. another big story breaking this morning, a 225-square mile debris field in the search for the cargo ship "el fara." are we any closer to finding the 33 people on board, 28 of them americans? cnn correspondent martin savidge johns us from the cnn center. what do we know. >> reporter: we have two coast guard cutters that continued searching overnight. they'll be descending on that area, that debris field. this debris field by the way we should point out has a lot of

stuff in it but they can't be sure it's coming from the missing cargo ship. they did get a life ring with the ship's name on it. there was a container discovered. wood, life jackets and sky row fo -- styrofoam spread across the surface. what they haven't found is any sign of the 33 members that were the crew. this vessel was on its way from the united states, jacksonville, florida, headed to puerto rico, as you mention, ran into trouble because it ran into the hurricane. last heard from 7:00 a.m. thursday morning. it reported it had a 15 degree list. it was taking on water and most worrying, had lost its propulsion. that was the last communication that was heard from the vessel. nothing has been heard more. family members obviously greatly concerned. there has been some questioning about sailing off when a storm was coming.

however, the families right now say their focus is on finding their loved ones as of course is the coast guard, the air force and navy. >> they'll feel comforted knowing there are a lot of eyes looking for answers out there. martin, thank you. >> you're welcome. authorities are digging up new disturbing information about the 26-year-old who carried out that massacre on an oregon college campus. sara sidner with the very latest. >> reporter: police gave us some new details about the shooter, basically saying that they found yet another gun bringing the total number of guns to 14. they found that gun inside of his home as they went through his home once again to make sure that he had gotten all the evidence out. they also have said and read through the medical examiner's report of saying that he indeed died of suicide. but we also know from police that he was shot. they said they neutralized him at one point.

we spoke to a victim who talked about that moment. she said that she heard him say, ow, at some point and that she believes that after he was shot by police, he decided that he couldn't do anything more and took his own life. now, here at the school, they are going to be offering counseling today. they have still kept the school closed. it will be closed for the week. they want to make sure that students will get counseling. we have talked to a victim who was in that classroom who said she will return to school. she knows it's going to be hard but this is something she has to do for her family, her three children and her husband. alisyn? >> oh, my gosh, she is brave to talk to you so openly about all of this, sara. thanks so much for that report. an nyu college student detained in north korea since april has just been released.

kathy novak in seoul with the latest. what do we know, kathy? >> reporter: we've seen pictures of won-moon joo being handed over. he was returned in line with a humanitarian gesture and adding that he had illegally crossed into north korea from china back in april. it seems from these pictures that he looks like he is healthy but south korean authorities will have their own questions not only about what happened to him in those six months or so that he was in north korea but also what he was thinking doing there. he is a south korean citizen, even though he's a u.s. green card holder and south koreans are not allowed to simply go to north korea without permission. the national intelligence service here will have questions of its own investigating whether won-moon joo broke south korean law. chris? >> thank you very much. we'll follow up on this in the show ahead.

benjamin netanyahu promising a harsh offensive against palestinian violence, this comes after the deaths of four israels in separate attacks in the west bank and jerusalem's old city. police are restricting access to the city, preventing all muslim men under 50 from attending prayer services at the holy site. the death toll is soaring in guatemala after a landslide engulfs a mountain village. a public ministry official says 131 people were killed when the side of a hill came crashing down suddenly on homes thursday night. hope is fading now in the search for survivors. more than 300 people are missing. well, democratic presidential front-runner hillary clinton expected to release her gun control plan today. we'll examine her solutions. will other candidates also offer solutions? we'll be asking some. logy empows to achieve more. it pushes us to go further.

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johns hopkins center for gun policy and research and professor of health policy and management at johns hopkins. let's start with the reality. we're violent, 11,000 homicides a year, 30,000 homicides a day, 406,496 firearm deaths since 2001 to 2013. we're violent by any measure, isn't that true, professor? give us the lay of the land. >> however, it's interesting that in aggressive behavior, even risk factors for violence, we're actually pretty average. what makes us very unaverage is our incredible high rate of homicide that's driven entirely by an enormous rate of gun-related homicide. >> let's look at the problems and the solutions. first, high risk can own guns.

high risk people can own guns. the solution is to increase ownership standards. what does that mean? how do you know who's high risk? look at this guy who just shot up in oregon. he passed background checks. what law would have made that different? how do you know who is high risk and who isn't? >> in the case of the oregon shooter, it's hard to narrow on one specific policy. a gun violence restraining order that california adopted could address a situation like this. when there are warning signs, based upon their behavior and stockpiling the guns that something is amiss, they can go to a court just as you would for domestic violence restraining order and take at least temporary action to remove firearms. >> all right. that's a specific statute, though, because certain states like new york state has that for a handgun carry permit. they talk to neighbors. you have to fill out paperwork. you don't have to do that for

most gun sales. that would be a legislative change that is possible, possible, but every time you add to the process, you get political push back. criminals can buy guns. this is the big one you hear from the pro-gun lobby. don't put it on me. i'm the good guy. don't make it harder to are me to get the gun. the bad guys buy them out of the back of a trunk. how do you deal with that? >> well, we've made it incredibly easy for the bad guys to get guns. what we found in our research, when you address the loopholes, it's not -- you don't prevent all shootings but you do have a measure impact on gun violence. as everyone knows, i think, we have a very illogical system for background checks. we require if you're going to purchase it from a licensed dealer but in most states, you can go to a private seller, no records, no background check. that makes as much sense as having an airline security system in which you have passenger screening in atlanta

but not in new york. that makes absolutely no sense. we need to address that loophole. it can be difficult to enforce those. one way we found is particularly effective is having a handgun purchaser licensing system. we've conducted research that shows pretty large effects in reducing both homicides and bui sides. >> the big number of gun crime we're not touching on is obviously that urban impoverished area gun crime, gang-fueled gun crime like what you have in chicago, a lot of these remedies don't apply there. but there has been effective policing in these communities where they talk to the gang guys and that's worked. that's something else that could be done more across the country. enforcing background checks, handgun purchaser licensing, that's what you were talking about. we'll move past that. there's a more aggressive and complete system of back ground checks and accountability, especially where handguns are involved. negligent gun dealers.

all right, this is something that many people believe, professor, is on the wane, that dealers have been stepping up their game. what do you see? >> it's hard to see. congress has done a lot to protect the gun industry where it's even difficult to see the data, to see who our problem -- where our problems are. generally what we find is about 5% of gun dealers put into the stream of underground gun markets roughly half or more of the guns used in crime. and typically, they have very specific issues going on that could be addressed with reasonable regulations. >> hold on, professor. let me get that stat out there again. i didn't catch it. the legitimate gun dealers, how much crime are they responsible for? not responsible in terms of their own actions but guns that come from them. >> yes. very small percentage, no more than 5% account for more than half the guns that are used in crime throughout the united

states. in some communities, that's even a more concentrated problem. there's a relatively small number of individuals, gun dealers, who really are taking advantage of a system that lawmakers have created to really minimize greatly their accountability. this makes no sense to gun owners or people who don't own guns. >> what' your best guess at what the number is of sales that are nonregistered dealer sales? there's 40 out there, comstat had a number. what's the best estimate? >> well, very old study now estimates 40% of transactions are between private individuals rather than through a licensed gun dealer. my best guess is that's probably a larger number now. we've done a variety of things to make that easier, one thing through being able to connect buyer and seller through internet.

i suspect that at least probably half of our gun sales are in these private transactions where there's no background checks, no record keeping and no accountability. gun owners think this is ridiculous. 85% of them want to close this loophole. >> all right. this last point here, few crimes are linked to owners require microstaff. this is a much bigger conversation. this goes into how you track the gun, what is a reasonable invasion of privacy. thank you very much for making gun sense for us this morning. this conversation has a much longer way to go. >> thank you. we speak to congressman daniel webster who wants to replace john boehner as house speaker. is he worried about his competition? we'll ask him. stick around.

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breaking news in flood ravaged south carolina. the death toll now stands at six this morning. as first responders resume search and rescue operations at

first light this morning. hundreds of daring water rescues were carried out over the weekend. governor nikki haley calling that historic flood a thousand-year event. doctors without borders expressing outrage at the bombing that leveled its hospital in kunduz, afghanistan, killing nearly two dozen staffers and patients. the group says the attack amounts to a war crime and is demanding an independent investigation. the pentagon admits the u.s. may have inadvertently struck the facility. doctors without borders is pulling out of kunduz. syrian ruler bashar al assad has given his first interview since russia started intervening in his country. he claims russian air strikes are, quote, essential to securing the peace. president obama says russian air strikes will only bring more stability. the american-led coalition is opening a new front in syria that will put pressure on isis's capital of rocca. a florida teen got the scare

of a lifetime. he was surfing with friends at volusia county beach when he came across a black tipped shark. he punched the shark after being bit on his hand. that's what experts say you're supposed to do. he did paddle to shore. he suffered lacerations that required surgery burt fortunately, he is okay. >> punch the shark. now i know. that's what i'll do. >> what's plan "b"? >> i don't know. >> slap him. >> swim. >> you need an expert to tell you. >> punch the shark? i didn't know that. >> the fact that he did, i would have freaked out and screamed which is not effect i.v. >> right. i think you're going to hit. i've been sitting next to you for some two years and three months. i think you'd hit somebody if they bit you. i know it's happened to me when i tried it. now to politics. battle for the speaker of the house.

chaffetz is throwing his hat into the ring as well. why do you think you are more qualified than kevin mccarthy or jason chaffetz? >> my battle is not necessarily within individuals, my battle is with the process and how the houseworks. i think the american people are asking for transformation and that's what i could offer. i want to push down -- there's a pyramid of power where a few people make all the decisions. i want to push down that pyramid of power, spread out the base so every member has an opportunity to be successful. i did that in the florida house when i was speaker there and it is transforming -- we transformed the way things work. >> okay. >> that's the key. get the membership involved. >> you have going to have to run against jason chaffetz and kevin mccarthy. what makes you better than them, more qualified? >> everyone knows, american people certainly are demanding

that we have change in washington. and we need transformation and i've done it before. that's what makes me qualified. i changed a system that took up the most important bills last and the least important first. i turned it around and started taking them up first so that we can get done with the appropriation and other items as opposed to passing crs every couple of months. and in the end, what we did was we ended every day at 6:00. we got our work done early. there were no deadlines that we pushed against. we finished with a cheer from both the house and senate members and also from the public. >> a cheer, that does sound good. that does sound different. let's talk about kevin mccarthy. he's been in the spotlight for seeming to suggest that the benghazi committee that he helped put together was designed to bring down hillary clinton. so listen to what he said on fox news.

>> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she's untrustable. but no one would have known any of that had happened had we not thought -- >> that's something good. i give you credit for that. >> congressman, what do you think of those comments? >> they may be unfortunate. i was in the race before those happened. to me, i believe, like i said, there was a cheer at the end. i want to tell you about. when we adjourned on time at 6:00 in the evening in the florida legislature, both house, republicans and democrats, leaped to their feet and cheered. they weren't cheering for me. they were cheering for the fact that this power h based system was done away with and we replaced it with a principled base, member-driven process. to me, that is the key. >> do you think that kevin

mccarthy has become disqualified or disqualified himself because of those comments? >> look, i have a faith i try to abide by. i don't try to judge other people. that judgment will be left to the members of our caucus and we'll see what happens there. but in the end, what i want to do is offer an opportunity to transform the house. i know we can do it. i've done it before and i think it's the right thing to do. >> were you personally comfortable with his comments? >> well, i would not have made those, however, the point is this. i'm not personally comfortable with the way the house runs. that's my problem. i think the american people are saying, they're not comfortable with the way the house runs. that's why our nebs are around 11%, 12% approval. everybody else doesn't really like us. that can change. i know it can change. the numbers flipped right side up after we made significant changes, changed to a

principle-based, member-driven process where every person gets to be a player. it helps everyone. it produces great public policy because we have an opportunity to actually debate, discuss, amend and present ideas that would be laws in the future. but it's done not with a few people. it's done with everyone. >> congressman, speaking of public policy, we want to ask you the question on the minds of so many americans today as well as politicians. what is the solution to stopping the types of school shootings and mass shootings that we have seen all too often? what's your idea? >> well, again, a lot of things, because of the way our system works, has pushed aside solutions. i believe dr. tim murphy, who is a member from pennsylvania, has an excellent bill which i've co-sponsored with him, that deals with mental health. that's a huge problem. if we don't address that, we're not going to get to the root of the problem. there are a lot of surface

answer but no root problem solutions. his bill does that. i hope when i'm speaker he'll be able to take that up, one of the first bills we take up. >> we are familiar with that bill. we talked about it a lot on "new day." what about gun control? do you have any sense that any laws need to be tightened? >> not from the federal law. not from the federal law. we need to enforce the gun laws we have today. in a lot of cases we don't. i think tim murphy's bill is probably the most important single issue we ought to deal with when it comes to mental health and gun control. >> congressman daniel webster, thanks so much for being on "new day." >> great to be on. one of the victims of the oregon shooting, rebecka ann carnes, we'll speak to a family member and see what he wants to come out of this tragedy.

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the community of roseburg, oregon is in mourning. one of the victims, rebecka ann carnes was related to oregon

senator jeff merkley who grew up in the area. i can't imagine what it must have been like for you, senator, to learn of the shooting in your state, your home state, a place where you grew up, called home, to then also learn one of the victims is related to you. this was your cousin's great granddaughter. >> yes. initially, of course, my stuff pulled me aside when i was in d.c. and said you have a tragedy in oregon. it's a tragedy in douglas county. douglas county is where i come from. i lived in myrtle creek and roseburg as a toddler. i had no idea a family member had been a victim until i'm driving down from roseburg. i get a call from my mother, having been called by another cousin. of course when it's in your state it has an impact. when it's in your county, hometown, but when it's your family, it just brings home the incredible numbers across

america have become very personal. this cousin, rebecka, 18 years old. >> just graduated from high school. >> on her cap she wrote the words and so the adventure begins. and she was looking forward to an exciting life. she had a wonderful summer and she had come back to start community college and pursue a nursing, perhaps a nursing degree. and just cut short. that is the story on -- >> countless victims. >> we've had more than 45 school shootings in 2015. >> so let us talk to you as a man who represents that area, as a citizen and somebody who called that area home. what are we to do? what are you hearing from the people first of all in roseburg? obviously they're in grief, mourning and it is raw. what are they telling you as a lawmaker they want to see happen? >> i can tell you what i heard time and time again, we have to

make it harder for disturbed individuals to access guns. realize oregon has a very strong second amendment gun culture, very strong hunting and target shooting culture, people embrace individual ownership and i support individual ownership. but when people have felony records or when people are deeply disturbed, it should be harder to access weapons. >> do you think it is a mental health issue or do you think it is a gun control issue or a terrible confluence of the two? >> it is both. for example, mental health is -- our system is not readily accessible when it needs to be. that matters. those who talk only about that are ignoring the full spectrum issues here. we have, for example, a background check system. oregon by even though as a strong second amendment state it voted to have, backed by initiative, background checks on

gun sales. just this year, the legislature voted to close the craigslist loophole. there's other problems with the background check system. you've had experts on. they pointed out the three-day provision that often means that somebody who should have been stopped by the background check system isn't because they can't access the records in time. >> if not for the background checks, then what? what is it going to take? what is it that you and your colleagues in the senate and all of the politicians in d.c., what is it they can get their hands around to actually make a change? we know that on each side of the aisle, there are strong stances. >> yes. >> how can we find some sort of consensus to protect 18-year-old high school graduates from being killed? >> well, when people say it really should be much harder for disturbed individuals to access them, they're talking about making the background system work, which is not now. a lot of the information never

gets into the computer on the front end and processed and available in a timely basis. the compromise that was stuck in america is that this system would be quick, not involve a substantial delay. we have to work it making that system work a lot better. there are other ideas that have been put forward and really i want to see the presidential candidates really immerse themselves. they're each coming forward with comments. let's see some leadership and debate on the republican side about how to address this. just talking about mental health is not enough. >> we know often times these things hit home, when they hit home, ignite a fire in us even more so. do you feel because of how close to home this hit for you that it will give you more cause to pick up the phone and call some of your colleagues, rattle some cages in d.c.? >> yes, absolutepy. i think the president when he said it's not enough to say our hearts and prayers are with you, there's a moral responsibility.

i have supported measures to strengthen the background system before. i've supported shrinking the size of magazines. it's not that there's any one thing that's a perfect answer but little things can contribute in different situations. what if a smaller magazine upon reloading occasionally a mass murder can be interrupted or tackled. so small things that protect the right to own guns for responsible americans but make it more difficult for disturbed individuals or felons to get their hands on them. >> condolences to you and your family. please send our prayers to them. >> thank you, michaela. the news is heavy, even the weather is heavy. how about a little bit of funny? want something funny other than my face? me, too. we have late-night humor that will get you going. >> donald trump, isn't he the one that's like, uh?

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saints quarterback drew brees picked the perfect time to throw his 400th touchdown. let's get the latest from the

perfect head. he has more on the overtime thriller in this morning's bleacher report. what do you have for us? >> look, going into last night's game, the saints lost six straight home games. the cowboys had won nine straight road games. both streaks are now over. dallas tied the game with under 2:00 to play, sending it to overtime. drew brees attacks. second play in ot, spiller, that guy is fast. fast forward, maybe, but brees serves up a game-winning touchdown pass, the 400th of his career. joining manning, farve, marino and brady throwing mo ining for more. giants running back, rashad jennings, i used to hate playing against this guy. so strong and fast. runs with bad intentions. 51 yard touchdown. look at this stiff arm. he emasculates rambo.

down goes frazier. the giants win, 24-10. both teams 2-2. we have six undefeated teams. packers, broncos, bengals, panthers, patriots. according to 538.com, your jets have a 44% chance of making the playoffs and 1% chance of winning the super bowl. >> congratulations. >> why did you have to bring the jets into it? jennings looked great, but did you see what williams did to him on the tackle? >> good stuff. getting the goose bumps. >> tossed him like a child. you should look up the play online. i'll explain the metaphors to you. >> in the meantime, let's look at laughs hillary clinton served up during the season premiere of "saturday night live." here's some highlights. >> i don't say outrageous things just for poll numbers.

i speak from my heart. >> okay. because i hear your numbers go down a little this week. >> mexicans are stealing our children. >> you think? >> i get in there. taxes go down, everybody gets a job. salaries go way up, rebuild a wall. it's huge. over in china, they're going to say, now, that's a wall. >> all anyone wants to talk about is donald trump. >> donald trump? isn't he the one that's like, you're all losers? [ applause ] >> do you think he'll win the primaries? >> he must. i want to be the one to take him down. i will destroy him, and i will mount his hair in the oval office. >> maybe you should take a vacation. >> a vexs-change? what did you say? >> a vacation. >> did anybody say vacation?

oh, my god, they're multiplying. >> i thought it was hilarious. it was great. >> so great to bring him back, too. >> we need the laugh. wonderful. meanwhile, back to our top story this morning, there is catastrophic flooding ravages south carolina this morning. rescue crews scrambling to find people who are trapped in their homes. we have the latest on this dire situation at the top of the hour for you. ach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most.

they made a mistake. there he goes. >> we haven't seen this level of rain in a thousand years. >> every ambulance in the city is out, attending to emergencies. >> we have lost everything. what i have on my body is what we have. hilalary clinton proposing new gun measures overnight. >> he shot the professor and started shooting everybody. >> you want the gun laws to change. >> it has to change. how can it not? >> if you look at libya, it's a mess. iraq is a disaster. >> i wish you could be president. >> me, too.

>> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alison kcamerota and michaela pereira. death toll on the rise in south carolina. it's now at six, but the number is early, unfortunately. the situation will be bad there not for days, for weeks. first responders are in the t thick of it, looking for people who need to be evacuated from flood-r floo flood-ravaged neighborhoods. >> the governor calling this a thousand year i veevent. we begin our coverage with nick valencia, live in columbia. what does it look like? >> good morning. large parts of columbia are without usable drinking water. 21,000 people are without power as the storm continues to linger and hammer south carolina.

>> reporter: a state of emergency underway in multiple states along the east coast this morning. flood watches in effect from georgia to delaware, as a deadly and historic amount of rain bears down on parts of south carolina. >> we haven't seen this level of rain in the low country in a thousand years. >> reporter: search and rescue operations will continue this morning in columbia. the capital pummelled by the wettest day on record. parts of the coast receiving up to 24 inches of rain in 24 hours. forcing more than 750 motorists to call for help sunday, trapped by the raging waters. >> our concentration right now, obviously, is emergency and rescue. >> reporter: officials deploying more than 600 national guard members, as local authorities say they've carried out more than 140 water rescues in one county alone. by air, the coast guard rescuing

a mother and her 15 month old child from their flooded home. by boat, officials rescuing this man after he was found clinging to a tree after driving through a road barricade. >> this guy could have lost his life. luckily, we were able to get manpower down here. >> they made a mistake. >> reporter: another motorist doing exactly what officials say not to do. try and drive through the d. moments later, the truck bed is the only thing above water, as a tree limb keeps it from going downstream. >> we have lost everything. >> reporter: many cars left submerged. >> what we continue to go through is unlike anything any of us have seen. >> reporter: officials closing all highways across the city as roadways collapsed. dams were breached. the historic rain overflowing lakes and rivers across georgetown. >> the lake is past the tree

line. >> reporter: if there is some good news to offer here from where we're standing, in the last couple hours since we've started reporting, the water has gone down two to three feet. just when you think there is relief, the rain picks up again. >> we can see it and hear it, and we know it is supposed to fall across south carolina today. thanks so much, nick. we know it's expected to taper off later today. that doesn't mean the flood danger is over. we want to turn to our meteorologist chris meyers live from the cnn center. just because it's not falling doesn't mean it's not inundated the ground. >> that's right. and because it has rained uphill, eventually, all of the water will run downhill into places that aren't flooding right now. the water bubble will eventually make its way to the low country and even into the ocean eventually. we have flood warnings from south caroli north carolina to south carolina and charleston. that will continue. river flood warnings in many more areas than that.

let me give you an idea here of what is going to happen. the rain will get up to north carolina today. it will shift away from south carolina. at least for briefly a time today. that's a good news. though it will shift flooding rainfall to north carolina. let me put some context on what this thousand year thing means. think about horse racing and you bet on a horse and it's 2-1. this is like a river event. a flood event that could half in any year, it would be 1,000-1. if you put a $2 win ticket, you'd win $2,000. you get the idea. it's a 1,000-1 shot of this happening in any given year, not that this happened in the year 1015 and the native americans have it written on a tree. that's not how it happens. it's the average or chance of this ever happening again. the numbers are staggering. 20, 25 inches of rainfall. where does that go? two feet of rain, it has to wash downhill. what happened? the rain came off the ocean.

it came down here into the mid country and all the way to the low country. that rain came down for hours, like 36 hours at a time. it just continued to rain. we have all of this water, this entire bubble, 20 inches or more has to eventually get down to the ocean. that'll take some time. that may take more than weeks in some spots for the water to truly recede back to where it was. >> chad, probability is good comfort but not right now because they're dealing with the reality on the ground. let's get to wyatt coleman, chief of the west columbia fire department. chief, we know you're against it. you're busy, so thank you for the time. exactly how you were geurgent i? what are you up against? >> we're still up against a lot of flooding in the low homes here on the river. we have a voluntary evacuation of the homes right now. some of the water are still receding but we're doing rescues for people stranded. >> do you have the resources you

need? are you asking for volunteers who are in the surrounding areas to come with john boats or anything, or is the state helping you? >> the state does have resources we can tap into. right now, we don't need them. we have all the surrounding countie counties. we notify the next county, and they send it to us. >> you're all in positions of leadership there, doing good in tone. everyone is measured in their response. but how tough is this for you? >> this is pretty tough. yesterday, one of our fireman was doing a swift water rescue and lost contact with him. luckily, he was able to hang on to the victim and they later found him. everything is fine right now. >> always reluctant to report the death toll. one, it changes and, two, when it's low, it inspires false confidence. what do you tell people that see the rain is slowed down, they want to get in and out, get themselves out, get supplies? what do you tell them?

>> we're telling them to stay home. none of the restaurants are opening up. most of the grocery stores are closed. they need to stay off the roads. we have probably about ten dams that broke in lexington county yesterday and flooded the roads and washed the roads completely out. people were steadily going around the cones and trying to drive through there. this is where the rescues are coming in at. >> do you think there's anything that can be done to help the waters recede, or is this just about time? >> this is just about time really. it's my understanding that the lake murray dam is trying to relieve the pressure on the dam so it won't overflow. all that has to come downhill, and it's coming toward us. >> what can you tell people? want you to use our cnn capabilities here to get the word out. what should people know? >> they need to stay home. they really do. the governor is asking them to

stay home. we're asking them to stay home and off the roads so when we need to go rescue people, we're able to get through there with no problem. >> hard to do though, right, sheriff? if you're there, if you have someone who needs things, you're taking care of them and getting scared about the water being around you, people like to take matters into their own hands. what's the balance? >> well, they need to leave it to the professionals. a lot of times, the people get out here in the john boats and don't know the swift water type situations. they get in trouble themselves and then we have to rescue them. all our rescue teams, swift water technicians, have the wet suits and the preservers to sustain their life in case they get in trouble. the people doing their john boats and stuff, they need to stay out of the way, if they don't mind. >> telling people, because of the overflow, you have to boil your water right now because the sewers are backed up. it's going to affect everything. you've been there your whole life. have you ever seen anything like this? how do you explain it to

yourself? >> no, sir. i've been with the city 39 years and never seen the river this high before. we've had flooding before, but nothing like this. we pulled in extra crews to handle any situation that we might come across. >> all right. let us know what we can do to get the word out. we'll help any way we can, including the umbrella over your head. you have bigger priorities. let us know how to help you, sheriff. >> thank you, chris. appreciate it. >> you take care. >> they have their work cut out for them today. another story, philadelphia-area universities are on high alert this morning after threats made on social media over the weekend. cnn's evan perez is live in washington with the latest. what were the threats, evan? >> this is a warning about potential violence today at 20 universities in the philadelphia area. they're on alert all because of a social media posting that makes reference to last week's community college massacre in oregon. one posting claims, quote, the first of our kind has struck

fear in the hearts of america. on october 5th, 2015, at 1:00 central time, a fellow robot will take up arms against a university near philadelphia. the postings prompted the fbi and atf to issue advisories to colleges in the area. law enforcement officials say there is no specific threat. the fbi warned universities out of caution but, quote, no specific college or university was identified in the posting. this comes on a weekend when authorities in northern california announced they arrested four high schoolboys who they believe planned a shooting attack on a gathering at their school. as you know, these things come up all the time. it could be a hoax. these colleges that receive these warnings, temple university of pennsylvania, they all plan to increase safety patrols today. >> hopefully students and people in the area will stay on high alert. thank you for that. keep us updated on that. a student who survived the oregon college massacre spoke

out exclusively to cnn. she said the 26-year-old killer simply showed no mercy. sarah spoke to her, live in roseburg, oregon. it's a difficult conversation to listen to. >> reporter: it is very, very difficult. it was difficult for her to tell us. she didn't want her face on camera, but she said it was okay to use her name. this is a mother of three children. a 6-year-old, 12-year-old and a 13-year-old. she had to explain to them what happened when they found out that their mother was inside the classroom when the shooting happened. >> i really don't know how i survived. i just -- i don't know. i was actually planning on just, you know, waiting to see the black light. just waiting to not see anything anymore. >> reporter: tracy hugh lived because she played dead. >> i was in the front of the classroom. facing the teacher when everything happened. he just came in and shot toward

the back of the wall, told everybody to get into the room. >> it was a fellow student. he sh he showed up with guns, not books. he set his sights on classroom 15 in snyder hall at umpqua community em stressed or nervous. he told everybody to get on the ground. everybody tried to huddle to the ground. then the girl in the wheelchair tried to -- she got off and tried to get down on the ground. >> there was a woman in a wheelchair, as well? >> she had a dog with her. the dog was on the ground. she got off the chair. she went on the ground. then he told her to get back on the chair. she tried to climb back on the chair, and he shot her. >> reporter: tracy didn't know it yet, but the girl in the wheelchair was dead. he turned his attention to

professor larry levine. >> he was trying to crawl down on the ground with us. he shot the professor and started shooting everybody on the ground. that's when i knew that, you know, this is it. i'm probably going to die. i probably won't see my kids anymore. i probably won't see anybody anymore. >> reporter: face down on the ground, hit by a bullet in the hand, she thought about her three children and waited to die. >> the warmth of the blood that was all over me, that's when i knew it was real. i remember whispering to one other person next to me, he's only one person. we have to do something about it or we're all going to die. >> reporter: then she heard the shooter make a promise. he would spare one of the male students. what did he say exactly? >> he said that, you're the lucky one. i'm going to let you live, but i'm going to need you to go and tell the police everything that happened and give them this.

>> reporter: he handed the man an envelope to give to police, and then started asking his victims about their religion. >> he just asked them, "are you christian? do you believe in god"? they said, yeah. he said, good, i'll send you to god. you'll be visiting god pretty soon, and he shoots them. he asked them about being catholic, and they said yeah. he still shot them. i seriously don't know where he shot them or who he killed. he shot them either way. >> reporter: you have no idea the courage it took for tracy to sit down and talk to us about what she witnessed, about her feelings, about how she survived. she was, she says, one of only three people in that classroom able to walk out of that cra classroom. the rest were dead or so dadly inju -- badly injured or terrified, they had to wait to get help

from paramedics and police. >> sarah, it's unbelievable. you hear her say, at one point, she thought they had to take matters into their own hands. she was still willing to do that. that was your visceral reaction. >> yeah. >> reporter: she was willing to risk her life. she was risking her life at that moment. >> absolutely. psychologists talk about the ripple effect of violence. hearing her talk about her three young children, all under 12 years old, i believe, who now have to live with the trauma and fear that their mother came so close to dying forever. >> they also have the solace that she didn't die. >> absolutely. >> something that matters also. one of the big challenges for people like this mom is dealing with the fact that she lived. >> i know. the survivor's guilt. >> that, too. >> just the fear that you almost died, sometimes is something that stays with you for a long time. >> she plans on going back to school? >> reporter: i asked her, i

said, what are you going to do now? she said, look, i decided to become a nurse. that's what i was in school for. i have to go back. i have to do this for my family. i can't just stop. i need to be able to help provide for my family. her husband is here with her, but most of her family lives in california. she says, i just -- i have no choice. i have to do this for them. i just thought, that was so incredibly touching because you do realize, this is the only community college in the entire county. i mean, this is it for her. this is closest she can get to be able to go to school and be able to take care of her children. she's not going to stop. i also asked her if she was able to talk to anyone, get any counseling, and she says, i'm just not ready yet. i haven't done that yet. the first people outside of her family she talked to was us. >> wow. >> that's not the best situation in the world either. i mean, the earlier you get the help, the better. >> sara, thanks for bringing us

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every time something like this happens, they talk about it and nothing is done. >> that was the father of the oregon gunman, speaking exclusively to cnn. hilalary clinton is set to outline her gun proposals today. let's hear from the other side of the aisle. former arkansas governor mike huckabee joins us. thank you for being here, even for this terribly upsetting topic. let's talk about what the father said. he wants to know how his son stockpiled 13 weapons. what's your answer? >> well, he was able to do it because nobody really reported any of the signs. this guy apparently was a loaner. he exhibited some traits of behavior and attitudes that were warning signals, but nobody acted upon them. he was able to obtain those weapons. some of which came, apparently, from his mother. some that he obtained. i think we always talk about what the weapon was, but whether it's a pressure cooker or whether it's a gun, we're

dealing with people who are either deranged or they're very focussed because they want to kill people in the name of terrorism. we have a not so much a gun control, we have a problem with sin and evil. this is an evil thing, when people kill another person. it happens way too often. >> yeah. >> i hear people say, we just have to do something, but we need to do something that makes sense and something that helps. >> of course. let's talk about that. let's talk about the solutions. i know that you've said this is a mental health issue, in addition to being evil, as you said, it's a mental health issue, not a gun issue. let's talk about that. what is the solution? if you know someone, if you have a neighbor, 20 something-year-old guy, who is a loaner, withdrawn, lives with his mother, has an arsenal of guns, what are you supposed to do? >> well, all over new york city, and you've seen the posters that say, if you see something, say something, and i think that's really the basic premise that we

ought to operate under, what i would call the voluntary social contract. if you see someone, if you know someone, whether it's in your family, you should say, first, you know, try to find out what that person is all about and thinking. if you need to, report them to the police and say, this is a person that is just exhibiting some behavior that is a little creepy and frightening. that's better than going to the people who are trying to ptect themselves and say, we're going to come after you. >> sure. but what's the law? i mean, what is the law? if you call the police and say, my neighbor is creepy, he never had a girlfriend, he's a loaner, he has a gun, actually, there is no law on the books that would allow the police to show up and do anything with that person. i mean, that's the problem, is we can all agree there is a mental health component here, with the latest mass shootings we've seen, but there's no law to stop it. i mean, can you propose anything that the police could do about

that situation? >> well, i think you're in a very dangerous zone, and this is when the president gets up and says, we need those common sense laws, the common sense measures, but he's never defined them. frankly, there is no law that prevents people from doing things that are violent. there are a lot of crimes that nobody sees coming until it's too late, but i think -- i want to go back to the heart of it. this is a matter of evil. it's a matter of a culture in which some people, this guy, for example, wanted to be famous. he made clear, he wanted everybody to know who he was because he was a loaner. >> yeah. >> i think the sheriff and your network and others said, we're not going to elevate this guy to a celebrity status by keeping his picture and name on the screen. >> yup. >> that's one of the most important things we can do. >> yes. i think that maybe that is one little incremental step, that we don't announce the names of mass shooters. jeb bush said, basically, bad stuff happens.

is that your feeling about these things, too? >> well, you know, i think that was taken out of context. let me defend jeb, and i'm, you know, an opponent of him in the primary, but he was asked a question. i think he probably would have wrded it differently if he had it to do over. i think what he was trying to say is car wrecks happen every day. there are airplane crashes. there are things that happen, some which we can prevent and some we can't. but we can't -- for example, we could stop most of the car wrecks if we restricted speeds to 25 miles per hour. there would be few car accidents if no car were allowed to go faster than 25 miles per hour. >> sure. >> as a society, we would never accept that. sometimes, we have to decide what risk are we willing to take? >> sure. >> never be an airline crash if we never had airplanes fly. i think what he was saying was -- >> are you saying, governor, that there is nothing we can do about school shootings and mass shootings?

this is a risk we're going to have to take because we respect the second amendment and people have the right to have guns, so i guess school shootings come along with that? >> no. i don't say that at all. the fact is, schools -- i know we perceive they're the most dangerous place and it's worse than it's ever been. statistically, that's not true. two million times a year, the presence of a gun in the hands of a legal gun owner stops a crime, a violent crime. we never hear that part of it. the fact is, every time we have had one of these shootings that the president mentioned, every one of them, happened in a gun-free zone. we can say we're going to have more gun-free zones, but that ends up being the worst thing. it just gives the shooter a real confidence that he walks into that environment and he's the only one armed. even in this case, it turns out that he shot himself. it was only when the police confronted him that he did that.

>> governor, there was someone actually in that vicinity, another student, who did have a firearm. he had a concealed carry license. he was a veteran. he talked about why he decided not to try to kill the gunman. listen to this for a second. >> we were quite a distance away from the actual building where it was happening. which could have opened up us to be potential targets yourselves. not knowing where s.w.a.t. was on their response time, they wouldn't know who we were. they could think we were the bad guys. >> that's a logical fear. if he had drawn his gun and raced to the scene, he was afraid he would have been shot by the s.w.a.t. team. it doesn't always work that way, that more guns would have stopped this crazed gunman. >> what he did was exactly right because he was a distance away. he wasn't like in the presence of the shooter. he did what everyone is trained

to do if you've had a concealed carry permit. it's not to go brandishing your weapon as soon as you hear of something going on. you're not a cop. you don't get to run to the scene. if you're at the scene and somebody starts shooting and someone in that classroom had been able to bring a weapon out. what we did have was a hero. chris mintz, a ten-year army veteran who was shot five times by this guy. but he tried to stop him. he physically tried to stop him. there were heroic actions in the midst of this. >> yes. >> nobody is suggesting if you have a gun, you're a mile away, you jump in your car and drive over and run out with your gun in the air. gosh, that is a good way to get killed. the cops don't know whether you're part of the active shooter scenario or whether you're a defender. >> that's the point, it's chaotic. >> no one is suggesting that. >> it's chaotic when these are unfolding. >> absolutely. >> let me show you what hillary clinton is proposing today. she's suggesting gun control

issues. i want to get your comments. tighten the gun show internet sales loophole. isn't that a no-brainer? shouldn't there be u universal background checks and people not be able to buy guns online? are you comfortable with that suggestion of hers? >> i mean, if it would prevent, but statistically, that has almost virtually no impact whatsoever on gun crime. once again, i think these are the mez suasures that get propo because they sound good, but if you look at the figures, that doesn't really change the dynamics. >> okay. you're still comfortable. you'd be comfortable with that? universal background checks, 93% -- >> it's up for debate. >> 93% of the american public support universal background checks. do you support those? >> as long as they're done without this extraordinarily cumbersome process, i think it can be done. there have been proposals where it can be an instant background

check. i think those are things that even the nra has supported in the past. >> governor, where does that leave us? how do we move forward, thinking we can send our kids to school and this won't happen? >> well, the fact is, sending your kids to school today is safer than sending my kids to school 30 years ago, when they went. it's a safer place. it doesn't sound like it because now, we have 24-hour cable news that gives us the reports non-stop of the crimes. parents are scared to death, thinking their kids, when at school, are sitting ducks. this is not the case. they are safer now. 700 people a year get killed because somebody beats them up with their fist. we don't make a big deal out of that, but the fact is, there's a lot of people who get killed in a lot of ways. a gun crime gets most of the attention, but it's not that our kids are just absolutely vulnerable every day they go to school. it's statistically not true. >> governor mike huckabee,

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new political news this morning. democratic front runner hillary clinton fired up and responding to claims that a house committee's investigation into the benghazi attacks is responsible for her dipping poll numbers. let's show it and talk about all of it with our cnn political commentator, jeffrey, and political strategist, paul, also

to a pro-hillary super-pact? >> what in? >> he is. >> hillary clinton is at a town hall in new hampshire right now, responding to claims that it is the benghazi committee hearings that have brought down her poll numbers. listen to what she's just said. >> fired up. >> look at the situation they chose to exploit, to go after me for political reasons. the death of four americans in benghazi. i knew the ambassador. i identified him and asked him to go there. this committee was set up, as they have admitted, for the purpose of making a partisan political issue out of the deaths of four americans. i would have never done that. if i were president, and there were republicans or democrats who were thinking about that, i would have done everything to shut it down. >> paul, i'll start with you. i mean, mccarthy didn't say exactly the benghazi committee was set up to bring downhillry

clint down hillary clinton. he said that was the result. >> i have a koll lcolumn that s it's not a committee but a super-pact. it's the eighth investigation, separate, different, into benghazi. the chairman of the committee set aside congressman mccarthy, who may be the next speaker, bragging about the political impact the super-pact has had. the chairman of the committee was asked, what does the e-mails have to do with the committee? he said, not much of anything. this has been a partisan witch hunt from day one. i love hillary, but i especially love seeing her fight like that. democrats want to see a leader like hillary who will fight. >> jeffrey, balance this with perspective. the eight committees that have been put together, the sum and substance of what's come agent, how do you see it? how much is political? how much is practical? >> first of all, let me say

about congressman mccarthy, i think this disqualifies him from being speaker of the house. i think he's totally wrong. congressman gowdy has done a remarkable job putting together the investigation, and i think that will unfold as we go along here. secondly, let's just be candid here, this is the old clinton mo. this is the now version of the vast right-wing conspiracy. this is aggressive. we're going to attack the attacker and damage ken star. this is the same game again, except this time, it's benghazi. frankly, i think we've seen this movie before. >> jeffrey, what more is there to learn about benghazi? eight different committees and the hearing coming up in a couple of weeks. what hasn't been answered by her? >> well, i think that they need to spend some time, real time with her, and go through exactly what she did. she was secretary of state. she ran for president in 2008, talking about the 3:00 in the morning phone call in all this. the 3:00 in the morning phone

call came, and she botched it. i think we need to go through this detail by detail by detail, and i think, frankly, we have to do this out of respect for the families of the people who died. for heaven's sake, this is not rocket science and shouldn't be. >> she has testified under oath already for seven hours. she set up, actually, the best report about this was independent, set up by her at the state department, it's called "the accountability and review board." it was co-chaired by a legendary career diplomat and a four-star admiral. they did an independent review. 29 recommendations, all of which the state department adopted. then the house intelligence committee, the senate intelligence committee, the house foreign affairs, the senate foreign relations, the house armed services committee, there have been eight invsves

investigati investigations. this benghazi super-pact committee has investigated this longer than congress investigated watergate or iran-contra. it is going to come down to the republican detriment. hillary will win it. i hope they don't cancel it because she's going to kick their booties. >> maybe kevin mccarthy is right, it has affected her numbers. bernie sanders is leading hillary clinton. he has 48% and she has 39%. jeffrey, what do you think that's about? is it benghazi related? >> well, i think some of it is just related to bernie sanders striking a cord with the left side of his party. he's also from vermont. i do think this is more like a eugene mccarthy kind of situation, and she is, if you will, lbj in this scenario. she's the front runner. i think bernie sanders is striking a cord here, and i think it's going to go beyond new hampshire. >> jeffrey, what else can you point to as an analogy to what's gone on with benghazi? paul pointed out whitewater,

iran-contra, 9/11, what have you ever seen investigated this much by this many different committees? eight different committees. >> watergate is a perfect example. i was in the white house when the iran-contra situation was going on. believe me -- >> not eight committees. >> it was a political investigation. >> but not eight committees. that's why i'm asking you. have we ever seen more attention paid to something than this? >> sure. of course. watergate. absolutely. >> didn't have eight committees. >> it impeached the president. >> it didn't have eight committees. i'm not saying the import of it. i'm saying the protocol. >> that's a distraction here. this is a house-select committee that is designed specifically to do this. the other committees had other responsibilities. this is a committee that is designed specifically to get into the weeds here on benghazi and put it to rest.

there is a difference. >> part of the point, that they even had to design a committee specifically for this, like they didn't have enough tools already, is what fuels a little bit of the suspicion about it. >> that's the way congress works, alas. >> jeffrey and paul, thanks so much for being on, and we predict this may come up at the first democratic debate. see i'm hedging. >> what did he call me? alas. i thought he said something else. i would have to hunt him down in his secret room he lhas. >> culture of violence. we saw hillary clinton's fiery side. what about her lighter side? she was on the season premiere of "snl." we'll discuss how she did and what might be in store for the rest of the candidates ahead on late night. >> i'm val.

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politicians run that show all the time but they don't play characters. she was in a sketch. >> wasn't just playing herself. >> no. she did the imitation. i think that was pretty out there and she could have flopped but didn't. >> being generous on a monday morning. i think the days of being there, people going, oh, a politician came, are over. they're all on late night all the time and there's different appearances and skits. media is everywhere. i thought she was okay. >> did it humanize her a little bit? that's what you liked? >> i they that was why she did it. i think people knew that's why she did it. then she performed. i think people enjoyed it. i don't think they felt like, oh, it's a stunt. i thought they enjoyed the idea she could make fun of herself. they were picking on her, too. >> it was amusing. she didn't play herself. the offensive, but she played a character. >> it's risky for any of them to do. it can go well. >> you can be embarrassed. >> okay. so donald trump also, we saw,

the actor that will now do the spoof of donald trump, we know he is going to be fantastic. he has the facial expressions down. how do you think he did? was he spot on? >> i've seen imitations, and he was fine. the material wasn't fantastic for him. i love him, he's a tremendous talent. i think he'll be really good in it. they really exaggerated the hair, which was good. >> effective. >> did they really exaggerate it? >> the difference is a narrow one. >> true. >> what did you think of it in? >> i thought it was very good. honestly, he was wonderful, the writer was okay. it's not far from what trump really says. that's the trick here. >> that's why it's funny and effective. >> five years ago, when tina fey did the sarah palin character, i can see it from my house. >> it's ridiculous. >> exactly. >> it's hard to --

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