that's it for us tonight. i'm don lemon. i'll see you back here tomorrow night. "a.c. 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. we have breaking news tonight from one end of the country to another. water still rising and more dams failing in the carolinas. and new developments in roseburg, goregon. we begin with that. late word from police there. they're playing close attention to whether the gunman's mother, avid gun collector, herself, bears responsibility for the shooting rampage that took nine lives at umpqua community college. they tell us they're aware of the mother's social media postings and electronic window perhaps into her thinking about firearms, crime, her son, and possibly his state of mind. additionally, we'll get the thoughts on all this from frankly remarkable woman who survived the shooting outside roanoke, virginia, just a few weeks ago. that shooting, of course, caught on live television. first our sara sidner joins us

from roseburg tonight. sara, as we mentioned the police are now looking at the shooter's mom to see if tshe is in somewa responsible for any part in this. what do you know about it? >> reporter: we know that they have been looking at those social media posts. we know that they are looking at her as part of the investigation. as they would anyone who is close to the shooter. so they're looking at multiple different things. including the mother and her social media postings. and his as well. anderson, they also know about 34,000 posts that are linked to his mother. >> talk about these postings. what did the mom say about her son's mental health? >> reporter: she talks a lot on different various websites. she's a yahoo! user with the name tweetybird. according to the e-mail that is linked with that. let me read you one of them. she's asked about guns and talks about guns a lot, she talks about health a lot. in one of the exchanges back in 2009, she says, "i keep two full

mags in my glock case and the ars and aks all have loaded mags. no one will be dropping by my house uninvited without acknowledgement." she also, anderson, posts a lot of information on health websites and that's how we find out some information about her son and his health condition. she says, "my son has asperge s asperger's. he's no babbling idiot nor is his life worthless. he's very intelligent and is working on a career in film making. my 18 years' worth of experience with andabout asperger is paying off. she's, indeed, a licensed nurse. she also reveals, she, too, has asperger's. si scientists have never linked violent behavior with asperger's. the shooter here at umpqua

community college both have the syndrome. police are

i have so many things. yes, i think about it. and, you know, of course, it was tragic. it was something that will be in my mind forever. every single day, you know, i don't -- i'm trying to focus in on the things that i can use my energy for. and it may not be -- of course, thinking about adam and allison. everyone that loved them. >> i want to ask you about what you remember and i don't want you to answer anything that you're not comfortable with so

i'm going to really leave it up to you to say what you want and i'll just move on. how much do you remember of what went on? when this person walked up why you were being interviewed. did you see them? did you realize immediately what was happening? >> no. i most certainly didn't. this is something that your brain just doesn't process. as to i saw someone approach, it was early in the morning. it was at a time that there really is no activity at our visitor's center and chamber, and i assume that this was maybe a maintenance person that was coming to ask questions. the person looked a little on the almost boxy, i can't describe that, but obviously in hindsight when you find out that he was in full body armor, that makes sense. but just basically came up behind adam and then immediately -- i mean, that is where it became very confusing

because he immediately while having a camera on him, himself, and while we are on air, live, that the bullets started firing and, again, it was very difficult to say what is that? it was just very, very fast. >> you know, i've read studies of shooting situations where oftentimes people don't know at first, i mean, they hear a shot, even if it's close, but they don't understand what it is. because the scene, the situation that you're in. did you, when the shot started to ring out, did you know instantly what was going on? >> yes and no. obviously it was something. it was, again, very fast. when the bullets started coming, when i saw the horrific results of these bullets, adam was next to me. he was right in front of me. and when he was hit, i immediately without necessarily thinking, i don't know what

caused me to react in this way, but i dropped to the ground exactly when he did. we were down on the ground side by side. i was not hit. he was. and i basically just was in a fetal position so to speak, and i played dead. i just did everything in my power to contain myself just to lay there in hopes that it was over and that he would think he had accomplished his mission. he did come back. there was other things, of course, alison, i did not see what happened, but he did come back. he stood over me. he shot me in the back. which i had really thought was much worse. i had anticipated he was going to shoot me in the head. i don't know. i think he may have run out of bullets. >> i understand that during the recuperation you actually made the decision to watch the video. why was that important to you? >> yes.

it was important because i essentially didn't want to suppress my thoughts. i wanted them to match with reality. it was certainly hard to watch, but, you know, i don't want to be guessing at it. i want to know what happened. i certainly, as in our conversation right now, it's difficult to talk about, but it's something that needs to happen as part of the mental healing process. >> have you always been this strong? i mean, you are impressive. >> well, thank you. >> i'm not trying to butter you up. i mean, i'm just -- i'm really -- i just think your strength and your determination is really extraordinary. and i know -- i want to ask you about the oregon shooting because obviously when you've been through something like this and you hear about another shooting, what goes through your mind? >> oh, sick, i will say, again, i'm so saddened by that. my daughter who had just flown in here from oregon, she's a

teacher. certainly not at that school, but she's a teacher in oregon and to think that it happened in oregon, in a school, you know, something just -- as even more tragic, my goodness. it -- where does it end? where does it end? >> you wrote an op-ped about how this whole incident has affected you, how it's changed some of the ways that you look at the world today. i'm wondering how has it changed your outlook? >> i keep seeing all of the banter back and forth, and everybody wants to do the right thing. you know, the gun control laws. how can we make them better? mental health issues. how can we improve them? how can we make things better? and i just feel as though while we're waiting for these things to improve society, maybe we can all look within ourselves and look at our community and say, you know, what can we do, ourselves, within our family?

are our kids exposed to maybe a lot of violence that's not necessary? maybe we're a little desensit e desensitized as to what we view on a daily basis. we are working on something that i additionally feel strong about, and that is what we're calling, i'm almost embarrassed to say this, but it was named vicki's vision. i will say it's something that's much needed in our community. it is a community center that we can all use and, again, make us stronger. >> we'll put the link on our facebook page and on our web page for vicki's vision on facebook. vicki gardner, thank you so much. amazing lady. as we said at the top of the broadcast, there is breaking news out of south carolina. another dam giving way. and some incredible acts of bravery including this. a man does the one single thing they say no one should do. wading right into the flood waters without much help. a pastor putting his own body in danger in the service of souls. trying to bring back coffins that had begun to float away.

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volume of flood water is still making its way down streams and rivers and tonight another dam has just failed. the latest run is in lake elizabeth which is just north of columbia. that makes 11 so far in south carolina. the death toll also rising in south carolina and north carolina and now it stands at 17. at the same sometime, though, we're learning as how powerful and deadly these waters have been, we've also begun hearing story after story of length and courage in the face of it all. our gary tuchman has one such story. >> reporter: 86-year-old george has been a widower for many years. he and his dog were driving 1,500 miles from his home in ottawa, ontario, to his condo on the florida west coast. he happened to be in columbia, south carolina, during the worst of the torrential rain and flooding. he pulled off the highway because the driving was so dangerous, but floodwaters overtook his car. he was trapped. but he was about to meet an extraordinary family. tom and julie hall were out in the floodwaters trying to make

sure neighbors were safe. they saw a car stuck against the fence and tom slowly made his way closer to see if anyone was inside. his son, bryce, shot this video as his father made his way to the car. >> dad cannot tell if there's someone in the car or not. >> reporter: minutes later -- >> i got to a point where i could see a little bit better and i'm waving like this and i see this hand come out of the window. i'm like oh, my god, that's not what you want to see. so he's waving, and that man's -- you got to go get him. >> i couldn't stand up. the current was too strong. it would have swept me away. >> reporter: tom called a very busy 911 but couldn't wait for help to arrive. he started to walk and paddle his arms to the car. battling the current and deep water. we went to the exact site now dry. >> the only thing i had for safety was all these tree branches and i basically would grab a tree branch and i'd walk it over and i'd grab another

tree branch and i would walk it over and i was just using these tree branches to make sure my feet didn't get swept out from under me. >> reporter: and the car was right over there by that fence, that's the distance you had to go in water that got up to 5 feet deep. >> yeah. >> he said leave the dog behind. and i said, no way. >> he's hyperthermic and losing it a little bit and i'm getting more tired. i have no idea when 911 is going to come. i just didn't think they were going to get there in time. >> tom hardly could stand on his own feet. now he had to drag me, too. >> reporter: you didn't think you were going to survive? >> i didn't -- i didn't think that i wasn't going to survive, but -- you don't have any option. you've made a commitment and we're in it together and, you know, he said to me in the car, i'm not afraid to die. i told him that i was and we wmp weren't going to die. >> reporter: tom hugged george

from the back. george hugged his yorkie. they had 150 yards to go to navigate to safety. at one point, george started to float away. tom grabbed him but couldn't make the last 50 yards. it was then his wife, julie and son, bryce, came in the water and to the rescue bringing george, tom, and, yes, tila, to safety. basically you ensured your husband and george's survival by coming out. >> i hadn't thought about it like that, but maybe -- >> we were out of energy. we couldn't go any further. we were done. >> reporter: tom and julie hall and their three sons are taking care of george for now and have quickly grown very close to him. george feels the same way. and says he will be forever grateful to tom. >> somebody saved your life, you know, not only mine, my dog's, too, like, you know, of course, you know, this man is unbelievable. >> gary, that makes me want to cry. this age of negativity, where so

many people are cruel to each other, to see that is just, i don't know. it's the best thing i've seen in a long time. what's next for george? >> reporter: it is amazing. george still wants to go to florida. he doesn't have a car anymore, but he's planning to rent a car, drive with his dog to florida, and this will be the last time he believes he does this drive because i told you, george has been a widower for many years. he met a woman last year, became his girlfriend. they got engaged. they were planning to get married but she passed away last year. >> oh my god. >> reporter: so he's now all alone. he doesn't have any family here. he was born in germany. he left 60 years ago to come to canada so he's going back to germany where he still has family. he's planning to move there but he pledges and so does this wonderful family that they will stay close. both of them. the rescuer and the rescued. >> wow. gary, thanks very much. that's incredible. incredible story. we've seen these last couple days life-saving acts of bravery like that. just incredible. that said, we really haven't

seen anything that compares to this next story. act of bravery aimed at comforting the living by rescuing the dead. it happened yesterday near a cemetery. ask yourself when you watch this, what would you do? floodwaters had begun washing caskets and loved ones away. take a look. >> reporter: there are caskets that have come up out of the ground. these guys say they're going in. you i goes are going in to get him? why are you going in to get them? >> somebody's family out there. got to show respect. this is respect. we got to respect the dead. that family's suffering. their family out there popped up out of the ground. i think it's the human thing to do. >> reporter: you're headed out right now? >> right this second. >> reporter: all right. be careful. >> that's wayne reeves, pastor at new life ministries in somerville, south carolina, waiting into the flood. quite a ways we should point out there. he is bringing back one of the caskets. the pastor is not a rescue professional, he was, however, a man with a job to do. he joins us tonight to tell the story.

pastor wayne, these couffins, when you saw they started to float in the water, what went through your mind? >> well, i just knew something had to be done. you know, here is somebody's mom and dad out here and the river was rising and they had already, when i saw them, they already drifted 150 yards away from the burial site, and so i was concerned that they may get damaged and the family members would suffer even more. >> so how did you go about doing something? >> well, i drove up and i saw what was going on, i stopped and the first thing i did was inquire was any family members there? there was no immediate family, but some cousins and so i asked them to notify the funeral home that had buried them to follow the procedure to get those bodies, coffins, so i proceed to go in the water. solicited help but couldn't get any. i went in and walked out.

i knew the area very well. i knew what was there because up there. i walked out about 300 yards and floated the mother back and at that time a deputy came up and asked me not to go back in the water for safety reasons. and they would send out a rescue team to get the other coffin. and so that's what we did. >> were you concerned at all about your own safety? because, i mean, as you said, you solicited help. it sounds like other people wrpt really willing to do it. >> no. i don't know what their countricountrncerns were. it didn't bother me. i'm a get it done type guy. at the same time, we're all americans. we watch out for people and do the right thing. it was somebody's mom out there and dad floating around in the water and i was afraid that more damage would come to the corpses and the vaults if they were to open and they were going to wait for the water to come down, that would be three or four days or even weeks. and at that time, who would know where the bodies would be.

and out of respect for the family and the deceased, i just felt that the right moral thing to do was to go get them and bring them and secure them until the proper authorities could remove them and keep them in a safe place until such time we could rebury them. >> i think it's incredibly honorable what you did. how is the community doing overall? the last few days have been just impossible to imagine. >> most of the main arteries are closed. flooded. hundreds of homes are flooded. we're right now still in devastation. >> pastor wayne reeves, again, i think what you did is extraordinary and i appreciate you taking time to talk with us tonight. thank you. >> thank you for allowing me to be here. >> again, somebody just did what had to be done. seems a shame to turn to the world of politics now. we're going to take a short break. i'm going to talk to the target of donald trump's latest twitter war, stewart stevens who worked on mitt romney's campaign predicting trump would drop out of the race by february 1st.

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the republican front-runner it bears repeating he is the republican front-runner still, donald trump took aim today at claims he's looking for an exit strategy. the speculation started after he described a scenario in which he might drop out of the race. on "meet the press" he said if his poll numbers sank into the single digits and saw he wasn't going to win, he's, quote, not a masochist. mr. trump's poll numbers slipped a bit causing some to see those remarks as a signal he's looking for a way out. this morning on cnn's "new day" he said, no way. >> i was asked a simple question by chuck todd at "meet the press." and people, i gave a very honorable and honest answer. i said, sure, if i was doing terribly, like some of these people, i wouldn't stay in. i mean, who would stay in? but i'm not. i'm leading every single poll. one poll came out yesterday, or the other day, i'm at 35% nationally. i'm not getting out. i'm going to win. okay? i gave a very honest answer, but the press takes an answer like that and they make it like, oh, there's a big story. they make headlines out of it.

it's ridiculous. >> well, on cnn yesterday, stuart stevens, mit romney's former campaign chief strategist predicted donald trump would drop out of the race before the iowa caucuses and new hampshire primary. he doesn't think trump is willing to risk losing. trump responded perhaps not surprisingly by attacking stevens on twitter saying, "political strategist stuart stevens who led romney down the tubes in what should have been an easy victory has terrible political instincts." starting twitter wars is a specialty of donald trump's. his talent for free publicity unmatched by candidates on the campaign trail. trump spent $2 million roughly on his campaign so far which is a modest amount when you consider how much others have spent. cnn asked the trump campaign about that report. they do not dispute it. stuart stevens joins me now. in addition to being the most recent of the trump rage, he's also an author. good to have you on. >> good to see you, buddy.

>> i want to give you the opportunity to respond to donald trump if you want. this is a familiar refrain from him that everyone associated with the romney campaign, a campaign he, himself, endorsed is a loser and somehow unfit to criticize him. >> in sports it's thought you need to win something before you criticize those who have done that. mitt romney won a nomination which is something most people don't do. a lot of people try to do. you and i and donald trump have all received the same number of votes for president, anderson. so i think let's wait and see if he does stay in and if people vote for him. and if he wins. then i think he can go out and if he wants to talk a little trash, that's fine. but before anybody's voted for, it seems a little silly. >> talk to me about your belief he's going to get out before any votes are cast which doesn't risk losing, which would go against his own brand. the polls show him leading though there have been some changes here. why would he get out if he's

still leading? >> well, because he's going to lose. i mean, do you think donald trump is going to be the next president of the united states? he's not. most people who run for president lose. it's like the super bowl. it's hard to get there and there's some belief that, you know, 50% of the teams who get there lose. >> why do you think he's going to lose? i mean, nobody thought he would get this far and he often repeats that. the pundits have been wrong about whether he wouldn't enter the race in the beginning, wouldn't show his, you know, he wouldn't file papers. nobody really thought he would get this far. >> i think you have to step back and use what we know about politics in common sense. if you look at the iowa electorate, would they nominate donald trump, say, for governor? i think that's a good question to ask because that's the same body of voters that you have to go to. would he be able to get nominated in new hampshire for governor? it's hard to imagine. he's unlike anybody else who has been elected there. and i just don't think it's going to happen. i don't think that voters know a lot about donald trump and i think that the easiest thing in the world to say i'm for donald

trump if somebody calls you up on the phone, but i think it's a very different thing when you think about who you want to represent the party who won't embarrass you and who you think can actually win in november. >> that's interesting, so you think -- are you saying in fact do you think not that people are going to change their mind, those people who are already saying in polls that they support him, but the polls, themselves, are inherently flawed, people called up on the phone because he's so well known say, oh, yeah, trump, as opposed to who they are really in the end going to vote for? >> i don't think they're flawed. people are asaying what they believe now. i don't think that's what they'll believe on election day. life imitates high school. >> in so many ways life imitates high school. >> it's fun to hang out with people who are having fun. donald trump has been having fun. fun to hang out with him. what do we know about running for president? it's the least fun experience an adult can enter into voluntarily. so this will not continue. it won't be fun for him. and i think it will be less fun to hang out with him and i think

voters will drift away to more serious candidates. >> how do you think it becomes unfun for him? is it -- if poll numbers drop or just the grind, or, you know, staying in small hotels in a different place every night, shaking so many hands? when do you think it becomes unfun? he hasn't campaigned in the traditional sense. he's held huge events. he tweets which gets media coverage. he calls in to television shows. he gives interviews from new york. but he's not campaigning like anybody else. >> i thought it was very telling that we learned today that he's only spent $2 million. i think if he was out there spending, say, $5 million or $10 million a week of his own money, you would have to look at him as a more serious candidate. my experience with self-funding candidates is they talk about spending their own money more readily than they spend it. >> that's interesting. >> and i think that he said that he's not going to raise money from other people. and if he wake up and donald trump has placed a $25 million, $30 million, $40 million buy, we'd have to re-evaluate that and think he's a more serious

candidate. but you're not going to be able to win this race by tweeting your way to the oval office. it's not going to happen. and he's -- look, in 2011, in april, he was getting 26% of the vote in a poll that cnn put him on. i remember we were laughing about it with mitt romney. mitt was saying i'm losing to a guy who's not even in the race. >> right. >> so i don't think that it's a certain percentage of the people are drawn to a guy named donald trump. i don't think they'll stay. >> let me ask you if trump were to get out, whose race is this you think to lose? does it come down to a standoff between bush and rubio or do you think this whole outsider, you know, thing we've seen with dr. carson and trump and fiorina is going to continue? >> i think two things on this. i don't think the party will nominate someone who has not been elected to office before. i don't think that we're going to see a presidential nominee in their first elected office. i think that dr. carson and

carly fiorina are terrific for the party, very compelling people. i don't think they're going to be the nominees. i think that the second thing to look at is who is going to win these first four states? iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, and nevada. to win in this business of getting nominated, you have to win. so coming in close really doesn't matter anymore. so who's going to win iowa? who's going to win -- >> right. >> -- new hampshire? and i think that in overwhelming probability that the nominee will be someone who has won at least one of those four states. >> okay. interesting. stuart, i can hear right now donald trump's fingers on a text machine right now tweeting something about you, possibly even me. i eagerly await. >> i think you can tough it out, anderson. >> i think i'll be all right. it's all right. wodn't be the first time. stuart, thank you very much. really great to have you on. interesting stuff. just ahead, the latest on this bombshell.

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one week from tonight cnn will host the first democratic presidential debate in las vegas. i'll be moderating. the wildcard is joe biden, will he run or won't he? several sources close to biden say he's close to anonouncing hs decision. the vice president is grieving over the recent loss of his son, beau, and said he doesn't know if he's up for a president sh run. in august, maureen dowd wrote that beau biden's dying wish was for him to enter the race. denying a report by politico that mr. biden leaked the emotional detail to dowd to lay the groundwork for a race. joining me, gloria borger and cnn political commentator dan pfeiffer who was a senior adviser to president obama. gloria, you've been calling sources again tonight. how does this politico article and the pushback from the vice president's office factor into joe biden's timetable? >> everybody i talked to who considers themselves an ally of joe biden says to me, look, there's a lot more pressure now for joe biden to make a decision

sooner rather than later. i'm told there's going to be a family conversation this weekend which could be conclusive. and even his friends are saying, look, he's lost control of his own story. you know, people don't vote for someone for president because they have sympathy for you. they vote for someone for president because they have a message and they believe you're going to be a strong leader and they think he needs to get to that part of his message really quickly if he's going to get in. >> dan, regardless of who told maureen dowd what and for what reason, is there a risk for the vice president being seen as indecisive? he's obviously grieving. there are realities, particularly time and money. >> i think people are going give him a very wide berth to make this decision so i don't think public reception is an issue. what is an issue is eventually with his -- where he's going to run out of time just because of the logistical -- >> when does he have to get in or not? >> i think he's probably within a few weeks of that. he's probably the only person

left in america who can get in the race at this late stage and still have a shot. every single day hillary clinton and bernie sanders have more people on the ground in iowa, more people on the ground in new hampshire, building organizations and raising money and he's coming from a complete standing start because he has no current existing political organization to build off of. so he has a lot of work to do so i think, you know, everyone wants to give him as much time as he needs to make the decision. he should. but the pressures of putting the international campaign are coming to bear here pretty quickly. >> gloria, it's interesting to try to figure out who would have leaked this to politico, if, in fact, it was true. was it one of the other campaigns, one of the democratic campaigns to sort of subtly push back on him and show him how tough the race could be? there's a "new york" magazine report the clinton allies are arming themselves with opposition research on the vice president in case he does decide to run. >> yeah, i mean, look, if you're the clinton campaign you'd be foolish not to have opposition research on every candidate who might run including joe biden or

o'malley. they have opposition research on -- i mean, i think it would be very divisive in the democratic party, freror exampl if hillary clinton pointed out you were on the wrong side of the decision to go after osama bin laden, for example, on the wrong side on syria, you know, all kinds of issue, because you were -- anita hill hearings are sort of questionable. that would not be good for the president. i know that biden had lunch with the president today. we don't know what was discussed, but if i were sitting in the white house right now, i kind of wouldn't want to see this war going on between these two top lieutenants of mine. >> dana, it would be tough, would be interesting for hillary clinton to hit joe biden over his record of vice president. closely tied to the information as anyone else. >> i think that would probably be a fool's errand because hillary clinton's ultimate -- what will decide whether hillary clinton becomes president or not if she's the nominee is can she get the obama coalition, the people who turned out for president obama in 2008 and 2012 come out for here? she's seen as positioning

herself against the president, i think that would be very bad for her long term political future. >> interesting. gloria, thank you. dan pfeiffer as well, good to have you. coming up, as the search for survivors go on, family members are asking why a missing cargo ship sailed into what would become hurricane joaqin. amerivest selects the funds and manages your portfolio. is it run by robots? no no, you can talk to a person anytime. 'cause i don't trust robots. right...well, if the portfolio you're invested in doesn't perform well for two consecutive quarters, amerivest will

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tonight the coast guard has found only debris from a cargo ship that vanished in the caribbean as hurricane joaquin passed through. the el faro. the ntsb is investigating. family members are zefshsearchir answers tonight. ♪ >> i can't go there. and i've cried so much that i can't -- i have no more tears. so he's got to come -- they all have to come back. >> reporter: but for many of the families, why did they go in the first place? >> captain laid out his plan and given his plan and given what he had in the way of information about the weather system. his plan was a sound plan that would have enabled him to clearly pass around the storm with a margin of comfort that

was adequate in his professional opinion. >> reporter: but even if the ship hadn't run into mechanical trouble as it did with its propulsion system, weather reports last tuesday show joaquin already brewing as a tropical storm. the 5:00 p.m. forecast predicting it would become hurricane strength. that just hours before el faro even set sail at 8:00 p.m. that night. its path leading directly into the eye of the storm. family members of those aboard visibly an ary over that decision. >> that's what i do not like. if they knew the hurricane was coming they should have kept them there and waited to ship them back out. that makes no sense at all. >> reporter: at daybreak today, the search for surviiurvivors continue. the coach card dispatching planes. three naval cutters working around the clock along with commercial tug boats. so far only one of two lifeboats has been found badly damaged along with one victim in a neoprene survival institute. >> we're looking for survivors,

any signs of life, any signs of that vessel. >> reporter: the ntsb launching its own team to jacksonville apart from coast guard to investigation, but the outlook is grim. and after four days of searching, family members like the mother of mariette wright fear they may never see their loved ones again. >> she loves the sea. she couldn't live without being on the sea somehow or somewhere. and that is her life. and now i'm so afraid she has lost it to the sea. >> martin joins me now. i understand the ntsb, they're expecting to hold a news conference tonight. any sense of what kind of updates they may have for these families? >> reporter: well, you know, i think that right now they're just going to be at the very beginning of this investigation. of course, what the family wants to hear is that their loved ones have been found alive and well. that information would most likely come from the coast guard, not the ntsb. but short of that, then families are going to want to know why. why did this happen? how did it happen?

and also to make sure it doesn't happen again to someone else's family. but we're in very early days, anderson. >> martin, thank you very much. the commander of u.s. forces in afghanistan says the united states would, quote, never intentionally target a protected medical facility. general john campbell testified before the senate armed services committee today three days after doctors without borders hospital was struck killing 12 staff members and at least 10 patients including at least 3 children. there will be questions remaining about how this could have happened. senior international diplomatic editor nic robertson joins me. today was the first time the u.s. has actually admitted it made a mistake here, right? >> reporter: yeah, yesterday general campbell was saying it was an accident, now he says it's a mistake. doctors without borders had criticized him for trying to blame the day before, blame it on the afghans who said he called in or asked the u.s. to call in the air strike. now he's trying to be very, very

clear that it was a mistake but the strike was called in by u.s. forces and therefore, u.s. forces have a responsibility and will through the investigation answer the questions here. >> nic, is there any more clarity about the chain of events that actually led up to this? >> reporter: doctors without borders have given some information which we didn't have before which gives some vital clues into the sequence of events. they say that the aircraft flew around over the hospital, large compound, single building, there was only one building in that compound that was hit. a lot of others were spared, but the plane came over several times, targeted that one building, went around several other times, came back, targeted that one building. went around several more times, came back, targeted that one building. that's why doctors without borders are saying that this is a war crime, you can't call it a mistake because each time air controllers, forward air controllers would have had to make all their normal checks as we know that they do before a

strike is brought in. on each of those separate occasions. doctors without borders say for them this information, what they have on the ground, what they're hearing, it doesn't add up. >> all right. nic robertson, thank you. just ahead tonight, what nsa leaker edward snowden says he would do and what he would give up just to return to the united states. ♪ while you're watching this, i'm hacking your company. grabbing your data. stealing your customers' secrets. there's an army of us. relentlessly unpicking your patchwork of security. think you'll spot us? ♪ you haven't so far. the next wave of the internet requires the next wave of security. we're ready. are you? more data means more freedom to do..whatever. that's why at&t is giving you 50% more data. that's 15 gigs of data for the price of 10.

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