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tonight at 9:00 eastern only here on cnn. you can always follow us on twitter. tweet me @wolfblitzer. i'll be right back here in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" tonight, two major scares. a close call for u.s. fighters over syria and a new poll tonight showing donald trump leading in three key states. his campaign making big changes. "outfront" tonight, trump's campaign manager. eight search for 28 americans from the missing cargo ship called off at this hour. investigators searching for answers on to why the ship lost power. new details on that. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, terrorist nukes. we're monitoring two major national security stories
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tonight. first, cnn has learned that smugglers got their hands on nuclear materials. enough to apparently build birth dirty bombs. and two f-16s diverted their missions when a russian fighter jet came too close as russia rapidly escalates rebel groups fighting the assad regime. we're covering these important stories from every angle. pamela brown has the latest on the frightening nuke sales and begin with barbara starr live from the pentagon. how close did those u.s. pilots get to the russian jet? >> well, good evening, erin. it was two f-16s headed to an isis target in eastern syria. what happened is a russian fighter jet came within 20 nautical miles of them. that sounds pretty far away, right? but now there are new flight rules for u.s. pilots. if the russians come within that
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20-mile limit, they must divert, they must turn their course. why? because right now there is no technical military agreement on how both country's pilots will operate in the skies over syria if they encounter each other. the u.s. wants this agreement in place. until it is in place, they are going to obey this new 20-mile rule. not that they think that russians are about to shoot them down but the russians are very aggressive flyers and there's a lot of concern about a mistake up in the skies. erin? >> barbara, you're talking about them being aggressive flyers, a miss stak mistake. this is a mess. if a u.s. and russian plane were to collide, if something were to happen, what would happen then? a lot of people would think this could mean very serious. >> well, it would be catastrophic in terms of the potential implications and this
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is why, of course, that the pentagon, the obama administration is pressing the russians so hard to sit down and have a second round of talks. one set of talks last week and come to some kinds of understanding. i don't think there is, as i said, any indication that the russians would plan some kind of catastrophic accident but if it were to happen, it means you have a russian air crew down and a u.s. air crew down. that would just be a disaster. nobody wants that to happen. so they are really looking to get these rules of the sky, if you will, set down so everybody know what is they are doing. >> barbara starr, thank you very much. barbara using words like disaster and catastrophe. that brings us to our next story. terrorist nukes. cnn has learned that they have sold them to islamic terrorist groups, possibly isis. one of the criminals saying, quote, i really want an islamic buyer because they will bomb the americans.
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pamela brown is "outfront." >> reporter: if the alleged plots had been carried out, the results could have been devastating. that could be used to make a dirty bomb. instead, the police of moldova said earlier this year they broke up the operation and arrested this man, along with others, in a carefully orchestrated steam as dealers allegedly tried to sell radioactive cesium to men they believed were associated with terrorists. it's so dangerous because even a small amount could contamination several city blocks and cost billions in cleanup. >> we have to be very concerned about this region of the world. it really is a transit and gateway by which smugglers can transit material through moldova to other regions. >> reporter: tonight, authorities tell cnn they worked with the american agents from the fbi to foil at least three
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plots to smuggle radioactive material since 2010. >> the proliferation is smuggling, the movement of this material around obviously has grave consequences. we're going to continue to work internationally as this demonstrated to try to stem that. >> reporter: moldova's close proximity to russia where radioactive material can be made, makes the selling of this big business for terrorist organizations. >> a group that has billions is certainly willing to pay that for material that could terrorize or shut down a city. >> reporter: in 2014, people were arrested for allegedly smuggling uranium but tonight counterterrorism experts said the newly revealed string operation showed a potentially more vulnerability. >> if isis were to acquire radioactive material, they could use it in the region or for other purposes if they wanted to
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transport it and bring it here to the united states. >> reporter: and now the latest string operation from february, the seller at the time said an isis fighter was trying to buy the materials but the fbi and other officials concluded the seller made that up in order to start a bidding war and, erin, there's no indication yet that isis has successfully bought any of these materials but that doesn't take aware the fear that they could end up in the terrorist hands. >> thank you, pamela. a frightening story. "outfront" now, art keller and former cia operator bob baer. let me start with you, bob. you say isis could use this material to actually -- what would it be capable of doing? what could they do with it? >> erin, let's take cesium. it's an isotope and radioactive.
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you could close down new york city for five miles if you used a drone. that's basically closing down manhattan with eight ounces. if you took eight ounces of plutonium and spread it across manhattan, you could close new york city for the foreseeable future which in the terms of the experts, as they told me today, is 12 to 15 years. >> it's impossible to comprehend something like that, art. it's almost as if it is out of a horrific science fiction novel. could that happen? >> i'm sorry. was that for me? >> yes. >> yes, it could definitely happen. the fbi is working with the moldovan authorities but this is the most corrupt area in the world. it's at the top of transparency international's most corrupt areas and moldova is one small
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country there. so there's huge vul ner ra bill teas in that area. what is terrifying is what we don't know on this. >> on that front, bob, the a.p. talked about wanting to have plots to attack the united states. one man saying, "i really want an islamic terrorist because i want them to bomb the americans." is it possible isis could already have some of these materials now? >> absolutely, erin. i obviously don't know whether they do or not or whether they have any true motivation for buying this stuff but today when this story came out, i asked an arms dealer who's dealt in plutonium before. in the '90s i understand, the facilities are open. i said, what about today? he said, give me two months. 2 to 5 million and i'll give you 8 ounces of weaponized plutonium
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and this guy has bought it for the fbi before and i think he know what is he's talking about. so there is this potential. it's not just moldova. it's all of eastern europe that this stuff can flow out. it's the kind of doomsday scenario that hasn't happened yet but the potential is still there. >> it's pretty terrifying. when you have people who want to do it, you have people who have it available. i mean, art, how much does this stuff cost? how difficult is it to deliver? those would be the things that would so far at least have prevented an attack like this from happening. >> it's one of those things that it's what the market will bear, like any other commodity. you know, presumably any seller is going to have a fairly hefty surcharge realizing if she delivers it into terrorist hands and they successfully carry out an attack, that's going to be the most wanted smuggler on the face of the earth.
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i don't think it's going to be cheap. i think bob's figures of 2 to $5 million is probably a valid figure. so i can't really speak to price. but, you know, being able to transfer those kinds of funds, whether it's in cash or wire transfer, that won't make it a little difficult but it's not necessarily super easy to move around cash in the quantity of millions and leave no traces. >> so bob, how worried should the u.s. be? >> i think we should be very worried and i spoke to pentagon advisers today and they are extremely worried. i am worried but they are even more worried and they studied this every day. there's simply no good way to make absolutely 100% sure that one of these brokers doesn't get an isotope to the islamic state. it's impossible to stop it completely. >> it's a terrifying verdict. thanks very much to both of you.
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key states. ohio, pennsylvania and florida. >> delighted to be here. >> reporter: ben carson coming in second but it was trump's standing in florida that had him gloating today. >> we're killing everybody. and don't forget, you have a sitting senator and an ex-governor in florida. >> reporter: he boasts marco rubio and jeb bush by double digits in their home state. the same goes for ohio governor john kasich. >> we're beating the governor of ohio, he's a nice guy, by the way. >> reporter: trying to make headway into key early voting state where he's badly trailing the leaders. he downplayed the latest numbers. >> last time who was winning in october four years ago? >> reporter: rubio campaigning in new hampshire echoed his former mentor. >> what's going to matter is what voters are ready to do in early february and that's what we're aiming towards. >> reporter: and while carson is
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rising in the polls, he's also facing questions over his comments and the aftermath of last week's community college shooting in oregon. >> not only would i probably not cooperate with them, i would not just stand there and let them shoot me. i would say, hey, guys, everyone attack him. he may shoot me but can't get us off. >> reporter: he suggested that the media was trying to twist his remarks. >> we're living in a culture now where you have a group of people who just sit there. they don't try to listen to what you're saying. they are just trying to find a defect. >> reporter: despite carson being on his heels in the polls, trump is defending his rival. >> i thought ben carson was treated -- frankly, i thought he was treated very unfairly. >> reporter: meanwhile, here in iowa, where polls show that he's also on top, trump told me he has a team ready to turn that support into a caucus victory. >> we have a great team, we have a great ground game and i think we're going to do very well. i think we're going to do better than the polls. >> and as for organizing the
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folks to turn out on caucus night, a former "apprentice" contestant warmed up the crowd by talking to them about what it will be like on caucus night, trying to education first time caucusgoers. >> athena, thank you. joining me now is s.e. cupp and jeffrey lord. s.e., let me start with you. we've been hearing it for weeks. it went from everyone saying trump would go away. the whole story is, he's peaked and then he's done. >> i learned more than a month ago not to make predictions about trump. it doesn't end well. he's out conventional politics. you kind of have to plan for everything when it comes to trump. but i will say, the same is true
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today as it was true a month ago. 75% of americans are not choosing trump and trump's unfavorables are still incredibly high. not to mention he's doing very well in key states, florida, pennsylvania, ohio, but the first states he needs to address are iowa and new hampshire. he's doing well there, too. but he hasn't been growing in supporters over the past couple of weeks. he's really sort of tapped out, at least for now, at the 25% range. that could go up but it could also mean that he's reached every trump supporter that's out there and there simply aren't any more to come. >> jack, what do you say to that, that he has peaked? >> oh, definitely he's not peaked. this is a stunning poll if you're marco rubio and john kasich and jeb bush. john kasich is a popular
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governor. senator rubio is the sitting senator of florida and very well liked. they are losing by double digits here. there is a message here. i noticed governor bush said this is like herman cain four years ago. this is not about herman cain. this is about a movement out here of outsiders. when you add ben carson to it, these are stunning numbers. >> they are stunning numbers. i have to think on one level, if it were jeb bush that we were talking about that had these leads in all of these states, given the money that he had and everyone said he would be the presumptive nominee, they were talking about who was going to be vp and who would be in his cabinet. with trump, people are still saying, is it real? >> that's right. nothing about trump is explainable. any number of things that he h said would be disqualifying for practically any other candidate. he doesn't have a war chest because he doesn't need one. he's got his own money, right?
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he doesn't need the media to prop up his campaign and pay him attention. he gets that no matter what. so the traditional things that would cut off a candidate's campaign, lack of money and press, he doesn't have to worry about that. it's so hard to play the guessing game with trump based on, you know, past knowledge and history. he really is running a totally different campaign. that said, you can sort of read the electorate. 75% of republicans are choosing someone else right now. now, he doesn't have to win them all. he can still be sort of the minority pick but have the most votes and win the nomination but he's going to have to get past some guy who is are inevitably going to rise. >> jeff, one thing that s.e. said here, take my joke, s.e., 95% of americans who are employed don't look at the
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unemployment rate. anybody in the lead at this point would have most people not supporting them, right? i mean, are you trying a little too hard? >> no. look, like i said -- >> yes. >> like i said, you know, i'll be honest, i did not think trump was going to get as far as he had. i don't particularly enjoy the campaign that he's running. i think it's one of subtraction and not addition and i want to grow the republican party but you cannot -- you know, you have to admit that he has outlasted a lot of people who thought he was going to be a flash in the pan and he's got some pretty impressive scalps in rick perry and scott walker. i'm sure there are plenty more to come. so i'm completely honest about trump's success but i have to believe that the american people and especially conservative voters, are going to start asking more of their candidates than i believe they have asked thus far from donald trump. >> to the point s.e. made about the scalps, jeb bush, carly
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fiorina, rand paul, they are not getting anywhere at this point. scott walker, as s.e. pointed out, is out, rick perry is out. who do you think will be out next and will it be soon? >> i like my former senator from rick santorum. he's a good guy. but i look at this and like the others he's not able to carry his own state against donald trump. this does get to be an issue of money after a while and if you don't have the money fueling these campaigns, it becomes quite difficultly, as governor perry and walker found out. i think governor bush is on the verge of finding this out. he's got some money but at some point here, you know, his donors are already starting to get skittish, very skittish, and this isn't going to help. >> i appreciate both of your time, as always. next, trump 2.0.
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tonight, a new campaign phase for donald trump and a new visible role for the two men in their life. trump also planning to roll out a new ad campaign. >> reporter: shifting gears, donald trump in iowa today into what some are calling a new traditi traditional campaign. there will be a book release, campaign manifesto, standard for presidential candidates. >> it's going to come out in three or four weeks. i'm so proud of it. with everything else, i'm writing books. >> reporter: and while trump repeatedly boasts he's self-funding his campaign, it's been revealed that he's being
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relatively frugal, so far, spending a paltry $2 million. >> actually, not less than anyone but trump has spent less than the top could be tenders and many find that $2 million hard to believe, considering his high cost of transportation alone. still, a little more than 50 floors below his gold-plated penthouse, for decoration, there's a wall of shame. pictures of dejected dropouts, rick perry and scott walker. compare that to the democratic front-runner. clinton's campaign is staffed by hundreds. her war chest in excess of $70 million. less reliance on free media. his campaign manager saying he'll be rolling out a big ad campaign spending, quote, whatever is necessary to be
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successful. and then there's the woman who some call his secret weapon. >> it is my pleasure to introduce to you today, a man who i have loved and respected my entire life, my father, donald j. trump. >> ivanka has, in the past, acted as her father's envoy. >> his father told my daughter that he had tried to call me and i didn't get the message. >> yes. >> so i simply called him back. >> now the savvy business woman is expected to bolster the gender gap. ivanka will handle women issues even though polls have shown steady support for trump among republican women voters. >> i will take care of women. i respect women. i will take care of women. >> many of the plans for the second act were first reported by "the washington post." one of the biggest challenges for a candidate hoping to go all the way at this stage is trying to qualify for the ballot in all 50 states and the trump organization says it's working on that now. erin? >> joe johns, thank you very
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much. "outfront" now, donald trump's campaign manager. corey, thank you for being with us. ivanka introduced her father when he announced his candidacy. we haven't heard very much from his wife melania, though. is that going to change? are we going to hear more from melania? a lot more from ivanka? >> ivanka has had the opportunity to be in new hampshire and opening up the new hampshire office there. it's great to have her on the trail but she's been a good part of the campaign. mrs. trump will be joining the trail as well and we're expected to have both of them and continue to grow our campaign. >> we're going to be seeing more of them and more of melania trump. they are glamorous, gorgeous, wealthy, women who live lives far different than voters. why do you believe they are going to be assets to donald
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trump? >> well, look, if you look at both of them, they are both successful in their own right, exceptionally intelligent. ivanka has her own line of business and shoes and products that she's involved with. she's really someone who many younger women aspire to be, look up to as a role model. she's a person who balances a difficult work life and has her own children to be part of and wants to be helpful there in any way she can be. she's really a true role model for many women in america and want to make sure that they can do the work ball and everyone so hopes to have. >> so corey, donald trump says he doesn't need to change his style on the trail. you were in the room and he admitted that he had been childish at times. will there be a new, kinder, gentler donald trump that is not
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on twitter trading barbs. ? >> look, i think what you know about mr. trump, he's a counterpuncher and you have these candidates running for office, you have the politicians all talk and everything that deems to be appropriate, he responds in kind times ten and we've seen the success as candidates that have attacked him most viciously. you look at rick perry and he didn't stay in the race and scott walker, he decided to attack. when you look at the other candidates, their poll numbers continue to go down and mr. trump's poll numbers continue to go up. the lesson should be, don't attack mr. trump. he will respond in kind times ten. >> times ten. the numbers that came out, corey, i wanted to know what cost you're factoring into that. it would seem that just the plane trips that donald trump has taken so far this campaign season would top $2 million.
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>> well, i want to be clear on this. what we've said is the fcc report is going to be available on october 14th when it's publicly required to be disclosed. that would surround the total investment he's made into the campaign so far. look, we've been privileged to have a number of people who have been unsolicited and contributed to the campaign. people go on donald j. trump and we also receive thousands upon thousands of unsolicited donations from 20 cents to $20 or $50 because people want to be part of what we call the silent majority, to make america great again that. is all being accounted for and that will all be reported on october 15th. >> all right. so your boss loves to talk about the polls. it's one of his favorite things and always knows which one he's winning. i'm sure he corrects you whenever you get anything remotely wrong. here he is. >> i'm reading every poll. i'm reading every state. i'm not going anywhere, okay? >> i'm leading everything. right now i love polls because
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i'm leading everything. i'm killing the governor in florida and the senator from florida. i mean, it's been amazing. >> so, i'm curious, the latest polls, your boss is ahead, 23%. let's take the state of pennsylvania. ben carson is nipping at his heels everywhere. rising, rising, rising. donald trump has been defending ben carson. why? why not go a little tougher on him if he's threatening him? and it looks like we literally just lost our shot. corey is joining me from las vegas from a very high floor in a hotel, there for a campaign event tomorrow. so i apologize. we lost that shot before i could get that answer. "outfront" next, joe biden looking very much like a candidate today. he took a swipe at hillary clinton, a pretty funny one. we'll let you hear it yourself. would candidate biden be too late to join the game. and the cargo ship that went
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tonight, vice president joe biden sounding like a presidential candidate because he took a swipe at the democratic front-runner hillary clinton. you've got to hear it. >> and if i don't move, i'll be demoted to secretary of state or something like that. that's a joke. that's a joke. that's a joke. >> yeah. you know, it's those jokes that aren't jokes but clinton was not joking today at all when she broke ranks with her former boss, the president. brianna keilar is "outfront." >> reporter: hillary clinton breaking from her former boss and breaking big. >> as of today, i am not in favor of what i have learned about it. i don't believe it's going to meet the high bar that i have set. >> reporter: added to the list, where clinton has taken a position against obama, the no-fly zone in syria and the
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announcement she's against the keystone xl pipeline before obama announces her decision. bernie sanders saying this -- >> i'm glad that she reached that conclusion. this is the conclusion that i reached from day one. >> reporter: a new poll shows clinton well ahead of bernie sanders and joe biden in florida, ohio and pennsylvania. but her trade deal switch comes as sanders challenges her in iowa and new hampshire and the possible biden run threatens to siphon off some of her supporters. biden considers a bid, sounding a lot like a candidate at a latino event slamming republicans. >> people are depressed and the message i have for you guys is, these guys don't remotely speak for american. >> reporter: as he weighs a candidacy, the draft biden super pac is out with a new tv ad. josh artborn is a senior adviser
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to the pac. >> the point is to tell a story of biden that many people outside of delaware do not know, a story of overcoming personal tragedy. >> reporter: one source close to the president says there will be a family conversation that could determine whether he gets in the race. >> and that was brianna keilar "outfront" reporting. mark preston is here on the set with me. let's start with this. joe biden, if he got in now, he doesn't have a lot of time. he's the vice president and knows everybody, he's very well connected but he doesn't have enough time to get the ground game in place? >> he's positioned as the vice president to build something very quickly. he's already run for president twice. as we see from the polls right now, bernie sanders, he's winning in the state of new hampshire and he's very close in iowa right now. so joe biden has got to look at that himself and say, i can get in, i'm doing okay in the polls and haven't even announced that i'm running.
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>> hillary clinton has $100 million. she's the juggernaut. does he have the staying power? >> i think so. in this day and age, you don't need $100 million. look for jeb bush is. he has a lot of money to try to save himself when it comes january. >> but it's hardly delivering him as a front-runner. >> certainly not at this point. >> joe biden, he has a number of weaknesses, weaknesses that many of us love, you, i'm sure, included, a tendency to put his foot in his mouth, like this time. >> isn't that a bitch. i mean -- excuse me. this is a big [ bleep ] deal. >> you cannot go to a dunkin' donuts unless you have a slight indian accent. >> the first sort of mainstream african-american who is articulate and bright and clean. >> all right. does that kill him or in the era
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where we say it's authentic, biden surges. >> it hasn't killed him yet and he's the vice president of the united states. i mean, that's all you have to say. joe biden is beloved, even by republicans. i had a republican who is very well known in the strategic game and he says, you know what, i really don't want joe biden to run because i really like him and we're going to try and kill him. all you have to do is keep showing it over and over again. does the american people really care? >> no. in fact, they see them and smile and laugh and he's endearing. however, when you are not running, you can be endearing and wonderful and then when you run all of a sudden spite and anger comes out from your competitors and from voters, even for joe biden. >> and your approval rating will start to drop. when hillary clinton was secretary of state, she was in the 060s. once joe biden declares, if we expect he does, will he drop to
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10%, 8%, 9%? >> and what voters does he peel away from? >> he peels more away from hillary clinton. they certainly don't want to see joe bidden get in in earnest. be sure to watch the first democratic presidential debate tuesday night at 8:30 in vegas. why the ship "el faro" went silent. jeanne moos on donald trump's hat. it's favorable much more than the man who wears it. they speak louder. we like that. not just because we're doers. because we're changing. big things. small things. spur of the moment things.
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ooh! we have a winner. all: what? [chuckles] he's supposed to pick one of us. this is a joke, right? that was the whole point of us being here. breaking news, president obama offering his condolences tonight to the crew, including 28 americans. they were all on board a cargo ship that disappeared in a category 4 hurricane. the president saying in a moving statement, "may god bless the
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men and women of the "el faro" and may he watch over and protect all of those who serve." martin, what are officials saying about why they finally called this search off? >> reporter: u.s. coast guard officials are talking about that and they'll tell you that every search and rescue operations unique but the decision is always the toughest decision of all and a lot goes into the equation. first of all, how long have the victims potentially been in the water and in this case it's been since thursday morning when the vessel sank. what is the sea temperature like and then how many aircraft, how many ships have been looking and the high technology they've been using and scanning. that search area over and over and over again and not finding any sign of survivors. you add that up, the grim equation gives you a kind of finish line and, unfortunately, they crossed it about 45 minutes ago when this search and rescue
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effort officially ended on the part of the coast guard. >> martin, so many questions about what happened here. we know the last words we understand at that point from the ship, "we are now sailing into it. we are in the middle of it. and the question is, why? why? the ship's owner refusing to answer crucial questions about why the ship was there in the first place. marine they refused to take any questions from reporters despite us asking a lot of them and many to be had. some former crew members talked about issues of age with the vessel, there was leaks when it rained and problems with some of the equipment but none of that adds up to dangerous issues. it's a u.s. flag ship, that means the standards they had to
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meet are very high and claim they met every standered and passed every inspection. the real issue is going to be what was going on in the minds of the captain. for instance, did he feel pressure to sail into that hurricane to keep his schedule? or was he pressured by the company to keep the schedule. ngsb will look at that. they have a human performance team. those are difficult and dangerous questions they are experts at trying to decipher. really, what we know is the search for survivors is over tonight but the search for answers is just getting started, erin. >> it is and those families sls. up front next, jeanne moos on the hat that covers america's most famous head of hair.
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ever since donald trump tossed his proverbial hat into the ring, his actual make america great campaign hat has taken on a life of it own. >> reporter: when donald trump starts giving away his famous hats. >> who wants it? >> reporter: his people all want it, but some want a different slogan instead of. >> make america great again. >> reporter: how about make cheese great again or make america crepes again? or make america british again. you, too, can make your own donald trump hat thanks to this
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guy in washington post political writer. one of bump's colleagues suggested. >> we should have been called who wants to be a milner. type in your per freferred slog and you got yourself a trump hat. phillip bump got the idea when he saw new york city mayor bill de blasio showing off his new headwear. >> i think this hat says it all. >> reporter: de blasio's prof s progressive slogan, make america fair again. what a thrill to wear an original trump hat while generating new hat slogans. one guy opted for the donald's own favorite word. >> they are just losers. >> reporter: even the hilary campaign jumped on the band wagon generating slogans they said every republican candidate can wear. >> it's nice when you have something that short of is bizarre and weird and kind of
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blows up. >> reporter: the slogans range from crafts but catch ki to reflections upon the hat itself. this hat is blue and black and refers to the old is this dress white and gold or blue and black flap. some suggestions didn't fit. let bill clinton date again exceeded the 14 character per line limit, but for both the donald and the media, this hat fits. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> all right. tonight on cnn, lisa ling has an outstanding show. you get to go inside with america's toughest out laws. the mongol nation bike group. >> drew is president of the santa fe chapter, and owner of no regrets tattoo shop. why is it important for bikers clubs to have at the ttattoos identifying them with the club?
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>> for me it's pride and love for the nation and the club. >> are you surprised that law enforcement might call you a gang because you kind of look the part? >> yeah, i can see why even other bike clubs would call us, you know, cholos on wheels, gangster bikers. >> what is the difference between you-all and a gang is? >> you have to be a breadwinner to be in this club. that's one of the first questions we ask is, do you have a job? you know. i have my business right here. his family own street sweeping and graffiti removal. you can't be a dead beat and be in the club. >> it's incredible. with the news about biker clubs, you definitely don't want to miss that. that's coming up at 9:00. thank you for joining us. we'll see you tomorrow night. set your dvr, please, to recourt
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"outfront." "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks very much for joining us tonight. the world's two nuclear super powers over syria. the united states and russia have been bombing targets fighting two different wars apparently pursuing very different agendas. russia has already been flexing military muscles. today there something new, a sign of how uncomfortably close these different fighting forces appear to be to one another, not just elbow to elbow, eyeball to eyeball, american and russian war planes. barbara starr is monitoring developments tonight from the pentagon. barbara, what happened? >> there were two u.s. air forces f-16s coming out of turkey over eastern syria trying to strike an isis target when russian aircraft came within 20 miles of them under the new rules the u.s. has, the u.s. pilots broke off and left the area.
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