should have attacked the shooter instead of getting killed in the oregon shooting he does say this as not criticism of the victims. and now a student has slammed the presidential hopeful. >> despite that backlash, rupert murdoch tweeted that carson is terrific and would be a real black president. let's begin the coverage with athena jones live in des moines, iowa. what's the latest? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. the murdoch comments relating to a lot of raised eyebrows. the question now, whether the latest comments will damage that appeal. >> i want to plant in people's minds, what to do in a situation like this. >> reporter: republican

presidential hopeful ben carson just can't seem to shake the firestorm he ignite. on wednesday, carson doubling down on controversial comments had he made about last week's oregon campus massacre. >> from the indications i got, they did not rush the shooter. the shooter can only shoot one person at a time. he cannot shoot a whole group of people. >> reporter: now, a survivor of the shooting has responded telling cnn, quote, i'm very upset he said that. nobody could truly understand what actions they would take in a situation like that unless they lived. carson first commented on tuesday, telling abc news what he would have done. >> i would ask everybody to attack the gunman he can only shoot one of us at a time. that way, we don't all wind up dead. i would not stand there and let him shoot me. i'd say, hey, guys, everybody attack us. he can't get us all. >> reporter: later tuesday, the

former brain surgeon recounted a much different action when he was confronted. >> the guy comes, puts the gun in my ribs, i just said, i believe that you want the guy behind the counter. he thought i was -- >> in that calm way? >> he said, oh, okay. >> you just redirected him to -- >> yeah, redirected him. >> okay. >> reporter: on wednesday, an unlikely ally coming to carson's defense. >> mr. trump, real quick on ben carson, you're tweeting differently about him, are you defending him? >> now, trump and carson have been holding their fire against one another in recent weeks. trump even said he'd tap carson for a cabinet position if he wins, chris. >> all right, athena, thank you very much. in other news, hillary clinton has been distancing herself from president obama a bit lately. but tonight, they're going to be rubbing elbows at the same dinner in washington. she recently implied the president should do more to stop

what she deems the benghazi witch hunt. and the transatlantic trade agreement, a deal she supported. let's bring in senior correspondent brianna keilar live in washington. brianna, you can't be lockstep with a president want to replace but what's the divide down there? >> well, perhaps this may be a built of an awkward dinner, as you point out, chris, you have hillary clinton breaking big with president obama on this but also breaking herself, contradicting herself on this trade deal that she's heralded dozens of times. as she's seen on the left from bernie sanders, really just adding to the list of things that she's breaking with president obama on. for instance, proposing this no-fly zone in syria, as well as scrapping a key obama care tax, proposing that he relaxes his deportation policies.

a number of things going on here. she made the switch yesterday. take a list ton this. this is what she told pbs news hour. >> i'm worried about currency manipulation, not being part of the agreement. we've lost american jobs to the manipulations of countries, particularly, asia have engaged in. as of today, i am not in favor of what i have learned about it. >> so, this switch on president obama's signature trade deal just one of several breaks that she's taken with him. you can imagine, michaela, a number of democratic candidates, really, i guess sort of seizing on this moment. bernie sanders a little understated i guess you could say. all he said was he's glad she reached this decision. he made this decision from day one. martin o'malley low in the polls saying, wow, what a reversal. he accused her of switching her position on the eve of the

debate. which, of course, cnn will be hosting next week. this is also an issue, important to point out joe biden as he considers a presidential run, this position will be more difficult to take allowing hillary clinton to contrast herself with him. >> the zingers will continue to fly all the way up and including the time in las vegas. brianna, thank you for that. meanwhile, democratic challenger bernie sanders is gaining steam, closing that gap with clinton, competing even beating her in early voting polls. how she preparing go into the tuesday's debate. >> good morning, michaela. bernie sanders is not prepare for this debate. he's not planning any flu full-fledged mock debate. he is calling experts to talk policy. this campaign is really treating this as an important moment for

him. he has been doing well in the polls. the latest polls in in tha s is hampshire. he is leading, up 42 to clinton's 28%. also in iowa, certainly how he draws the poll distinctions with clinton up there on the debate stage will be very important, it will be key for him. and that's something that i asked sanders about as he approaches, as he prepares for the debate. >> you're looking at a candidate who has run in many, many elections. have held executive positions in my life. and you're looking at a candidate that does not go without attacking people personally. i just don't do that. but what i think democracy is about and what i think of debate is all about, is in fact, differentiating the differences

of opinions that we have. >> sanders said he is very ready, very clear he has a whole litany. items that he's ready to take and willing to take clinton on the ttp. the keystone pipeline, wall street, a few that he named yesterday. sanders is going to have endorse meant from his representative in iowa. >> we should point out that bernie sanders is going to be live on cnn today, sumlin, at 1:00 p.m. eastern. coming up in the 8:00 hour on "new day," bernie sanders' campaign manager jeff weave letter join us. a lot to get to. let's discuss all of this with editor in chief of the daily beast, john louis. gentlemen, we have a lot to talk

about, let's win with ben carson. he said gun victims should fight back. that would solve the problem. and then also had an interview at which he talked about being at a pop eye chicken. and he did not fight back. let me play for you what he did in that situation. >> guy comes in, puts the gun in my ribs. i just said i believe you that want the guy behind the counter. he thought -- >> that's what you said, in that calm way? >> in that calm way. he said, oh, okay. >> so you just redirected him to -- >> i redirected him. >> okay. >> don't shoot me, shoot that guy. that's one of his suggestions. >> yeah, not exactly a profile moment. the problem obviously, with what ben carson said in the fantasy vision of how you handle a shooting. is that there was an army vet, chris metz, who was at the shooting who pushed the shooter,

who survived and shot multiple times and still many people were killed. and the fantasy vision is deeply assaulting people in the shooting. it's a reality challenge. >> giving ben carson the benefit of his own intentions, this is a very coldly logical man. okay? he is a surgeon. he looking at things very forensically. he says he wasn't trying to offend the victims. he's saying this is what people should do in these circumstances. i think his answer to be the mintz scenario, mintz the hero, everybody should have gone with him. >> well, when they asked him about it, he did not know about chris mintz. he was spouting out. >> was this the logic or the articulation of what you talk about and what you don't as say candidate? >> the logic is the problem. he as a neurosurgeon would like us to consult him before we start talking about neurosurgery and the right way to separate

conjoined twins or something like that. the fbi says, run, hide, fight. run if you can, hide if you can, fight if you must. that would be advice if you wanted to offer advice. >> politically speaking, lindsey graham came out and said rationally, ben carson has no idea what he's doing. >> he said that to me, by the way. >> he did? >> really? >> so lindsey graham said to you -- >> you have no idea how much it hurts me that you don't know. >> he said rightly, he has no idea, none of us have any idea what we would do in a horrifying situation like that. but lindsey graham, voters are not supporting him. rational explanation versus ben carson, how do you explain that? >> that's the story of the last republican primaries. responsible is the mission of the republicans. you're trying to be more

inflammatory, get more attention and play to the base. >> it mean anything that trump defends him. >> oh, yeah, of course, it does. >> yeah, donald trump sort of operates in the same way. take something he saw in a movie or something he saw on a television show and convert it to his policy that he's recommending. these are people who are not professional politicians. they don't fully under that. we're all paying a lot of attention and we want to believe what they're saying could in fact be policy for the nation and we want to test it out. so pulling out something that he saw in a movie some day is so inappropriate. >> rupert murdoch came out in support of ben carson. he defeated ben and candy carson terrific. what about a real black president who can properly address the racial divide? >> why are you asking errol.

and the morgan freeman -- >> everybody is stumbling over the word "real." at least part of ben carson's appeal is that for people who don't want to be seen as racist, want to think that they're going in a somewhat progressive forward looking direction on race, but happen to be conservative. and don't like any of the policies of barack obama, they would like somebody else to be there. somebody to be, you know, in some ways, their political black friend. saying is this a guy that's conservative. he's clearly not racist. he came up the hard way. and he thinks differently, on taxes on affirmative action and this and that. ben carson is your guy if that's what you're looking for. even stylistically, very different than obama. i was with obama with rallies and watching him in 2008 when he gave the victory speech. there was this electricity. it was stunning. and for ben carson -- let's

remember, buy standing into the president's face, basically insulting him for a lot of people -- this is what we've been looking for, a guy who is genuinely conservative. a guy who is black working class. and i guy who doesn't like obama, representing something differently stylistically and policywise, he's going to run for president. >> what about the tweet? >> the tweet is the tweet. how many votes is he going to change based on that tweet. >> rupert murdoch tweets himself. that's a genuine comment. so, you know, we joke some people should be followed around by lawyers -- "my client meant to say" -- i say it's not necessarily old school issues, it's the issue that errol raised. some of the folks who haven't done the due diligence who build the back log to get elevated

quickly. and the difference that is so insulting, deeply racist, the question of who is real black, right it's a game played on the left against folks in the center for a long time historically. this is kind of the malcolm martin divide but deeper. but to say to the right is tone-deaf and insulting. >> we should note, ben carson will be live with wolf blitzer at 1:00 p.m. on cnn. tune into that. also, we're just five days away from the first democratic debate hosted by cnn and facebook. be sure to watch it tuesday, 8:30 p.m. here on cnn. do you have a question you'd like asked during the democratic debate? i suggest you login right now. you could record a short video for instagram and #demdebate. sources telling cnn that the 26-year-old shooter who killed nine people at oregon umpqua

college last week he was trying to commit sue site in 2008. >> reporter: hi. we're learning what happened at those very tense moments here at the university. two plain clothes detectives here what's. happening on their police radios. they quickly response to the scene. they're not wearing bulletproof vests. they follow the gunfire which takes them to a classroom. they themselves come into gunfire. that's when their training comes in. they fire three rounds. and the shooter retreats to the classroom and takes his own life. no doubt, those officers' actions ends up saving some lives. we're also getting information about the shooter's troubled past. we learned in 2008, he was discharged from the mill taeshgs after one month, he didn't get through basic training because he tried to commit suicide back

then. because he was not dishonorly discharged he was able to legally purchase guns. two of the victims have been laid to rest. there will be another funeral today, with several more over the next few days. this community, michaela, is going to be in mourning for quite sometime. >> dan, that's an important piece of insight into this man. everybody is wondering what was missed? what was the motivation, thank you for that. russia is stepping up its military campaign against syria by land, sea and air to shore up the assad regime, or not. overnight, russia's defense minister said cruise missiles fired for ships hit isis targets in syria. this comes after two u.s. aircraft had to be rerouted to avoid a close encounter in syria's airspace. let's bring in arwa damon. arwa, two points, the sense on

the ground and the impact of human desperation. >> reporter: well, on the ground speak to anyone but the russians and the assad regime. they will tell you that it's quite clear that russia's intent is not necessarily to simply destroy isis, but perhaps is more focused on ensuring that the syrian army is able to recapture key territory from a variety of different rebel forces. turkey, nato, the united states, all disputing russia's claims that it is in fact only targets isis or other terrorist organizations. turkey saying only a fraction of strikes, according to nato, 10%, actually hitting isis. i've been watching a lot of youtube videos over the last few hour. it's heartbreaking, desperate attempts by syrian volunteers knowing the syrian civil defense or the white helmets scrambling trying to extract, according to these video, civilians from homes that have been reduced to

severe rubble. and a heart wrenching video of a child drenched in blood, crying out for his mother. while we talk about military maneuvers on the part of assad regime or russia or the u.s.-led coalition, alisyn, less not forget who it is who the maneuvers are impacting. >> arwa, you're reporting always top stuff. remembering the human toll, thank you for that. doctors without borders calling for its cause for an independent probe for an air strike that hit one of its hospitals. 22 people including doctors and patients were killed. president obama called the head of the medical group to apologize. he promised full cooperation with afghan and nato. house republicans will hold a public vote today for their choice to replace house speaker john boehner.

overnight, kevin mccarthy received an endorsement from past vice president dick cheney. and daniel webster of florida. the big floor vote will happen october 29th. the coast haguard has ended the search for el faro. it's now a search mission as of wednesday. they're now going to the navy to look underwater. the president of the company that owns the cargo ship said there will be unsending support for the crew's loved ones. 33 people were on board so far. only one body has been spotted in the water. well, pentagon officials making it clear the united states will not cooperate with russia in syria. so where is this conflict in the middle east headed? we will get perspective from a top russian journalist. tax and consulting advisors started taking the middle market to the global market.

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okay. here's the situation. russia says it is in syria to fight isis and that it wants to work with the u.s. the juxtaposition is that u.s. sources and those on the ground say the location of troops and most by russia are going at assad's enemies. and we just had two u.s. planes that had to be diverted due to

russian jets. what's going on? let's bring in vladimir posner, he's say journalist there. mr. posner, i'm sorry about the weather, out might have control. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for being with us. i guess the question is, why hasn't isis provided proof that it's hitting ta inting targets the concern that they're there to shore up the assad regime? >> well, they are there to shore up the assad regime. will putin said that russia is supporting assad. assad, as far as russia is concerned is a legitimate president, acknowledged by the u.n. has been represented by syria in the u.n. and he is legitimate. and he is the only legitimate person, if you will, or leader in that part of the world. so, yes, they are shoring up assad.

and on the other hand, russia does see isis as a real threat to its national security, because it's very close to the russian border. russia has a very large muslim population. and i think the russian view is this. let's get rid of isis. let's figure how to do that. once that's done, then let's take a good look at what mr. assad is about and maybe some have kind of coalition government. but the first thing to do is get rid of isis, when you say they've not finished proof. i don't know how you do that, simply by pictures? aerial pictures? there seems to be enough reconnaissance on all sides to see where the bombs are falling. >> they say we're hitting isis targets and if you look at where they're hitting and troops on the ground, this is not where isis is. they're on the western side of

the country. not where assad wants to shore up his territories, not where isis is necessarily. >> i can't answer that question, except for one thing, mr. putin said very clearly, unequivocally, we are not putting boots on the ground. in that sense he was reflecting, shall i put it, sentiment in russia. russians do not want their husbands, brothers, father, children, to be fighting in that part of the world. volunteers -- possibly. there are people who would go there to fight. there always are such people. but i doubt very much there would be a real military force of russians fighting on the ground, except if putin was willing to risk losing a lot of his popularity in russia. i do believe they're fighting isis, but they're also fighting what is called the moderate opposition. it's not very moderate.

some of these people have cut out the hearts of their enemy and eaten them on television. not moderate at all. in my personal opinion, the best thing would be for everyone to get out, and let the syrians deal with their own problems. but that's not going to happen. clearly, the u.s. is involved. russia is involved. and the best would be to get rid of isis. i think that's what's important. i do believe that's what president putin thinks. although i've not had the opportunity to ask him that question. >> you have heard the reports there are at least 600 boots on the ground and to house thousands mores with facilities. there does seem there is going to be a land component and manpower there, it would be consistent with efforts to shore up the assad regime which is struggling against the rebel base which you know the u.s. and west support. how can russia work with the u.s. against isis, if at the same time, it is supporting the

efforts of main that many deas a dictatoral terrorist? >> he is a dictator, there's no doubt about that. the real question, can there be an agreement between russia and the west. particularly the united states. when i say the west, obviously, it's u.s. that calls the tune. can there be some kind of agreement that lets deal with it in the following manner, first, fight isis and then deal assad. the united states says we cannot accept mr. assad remaining in power. russia says, that's not the way to go. there they be able to find some kind of agreement? i really don't know. at this point, it seems to me, that both sides have taken a very hard position. and there's no -- no give on either side. >> right. >> either and probably, it would

be considered a loss of face, if you will, if one set, well, yes, maybe we can. there would immediately be an attack, especially in the u.s., with elections coming up, if obama were to move a little bit closer to what putin wants, he'd be accused. the democratic party would therefore lose some of its prestige. all of this is politics. >> all of this aside -- >> there is some diplomacy and practicality in play. kerry has to lavrov, let's go after isis. and lavrov said, yes, let's go after isis. and only shoring up putin, coming in turkish airspace and fighter jets. these are signs of provocation, not of cooperation. >> look, chris, if the russians had bombed a hospital by mistake, by mistake, in any country the way the u.s. did, and then the president would have said i'm sorry and

apologized, do you think that would have worked? >> i just think that suggestion is a complete distraction, mr. pozner from what i've just said. accidents happen in war. that's the problem. >> sure. they through twice. they're very close to the turkish border. i don't think it's a provocation at all. russia wants to have good relations with turkey for a whole lot of reasons, including economic, and for building gas pipelines in turkey. it has no interest in worsening relations with turkey. i think that was just a mistake. as other mistakes have happened. and i do think that in fact -- i believe so, that mr. putin would like to work with the united states, rather than against it. whether or not that's going to happen, i don't think depends only on mr. putin. >> mr. pozner, appreciate your perspective. especially in the rain in berlin. i look forward to having you back on the show. >> i'm going to be singing

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just five days away from the first democratic debate. so, this morning, we are going to take a look at the how the dem front-runners, hillary clinton and bernie sanders differ on some of the key issues. with us to help, richard soper. and hillary, undecide at the moment. you guys are fascinating to talk to. let's talk about the key issues, something that's come up in the past 24 hours. trade, neither one support the tpp, transpacific partnership. what's interesting, hillary clinton has totaled 45 times that she pushed the trade bill. what happened in the past 24 hours? >> well, i don't think you'd say it's the very same trade bill

because the trade bill has just been completed, right? i think as secretary of state she was part of the obama administration and supported the idea to come up with the trade deal that met certain environmental standards. now, we have the trade deal. and her view is it does not met her strong test. >> sally, is that how you see it? >> though were impressive verbal gymnastics from richard. >> thank you. >> she changed her mind. she changed her mind. the difference is, a lot of issues between hillary and bernie is not where they came out on the issues, but how long they've been there. bernie was clearly against these kinds of trade deals that sort of are, you know, the children of nafta, and things that have shipped jobs overseas.

the difference is hillary buts her finger in the wind and changes her mind. a lot of people see bernie sanders as the wind of change himself. that's the difference. >> let's get to the economy and see where they differ on the economy. both of that support higher taxes on the wealthy. both support raising the minimum wage. bernie's is higher to $15. impose accountability on wall street, what's the difference? >> well, i think both of them are in a good place in terms of creating jobs, in terms of raising the minimum wage. in terms of straining protections against the abuses on wall street. so, i think it may be a difference in tone. it may be a difference in range. i don't know. we'll see. i think it's going to be one area where i think there's going to be a very healthy debate. >> okay. sally, do you see a difference? >> yeah, i think most democratic primary voters who have been paying attention do, too.

again, bernie sanders consistently against give-ways to wall street. consistently against strong reform and accountability. hillary clinton has gone back and forth on this. she was once again a bill that would help big banks. and then she voted for it as a senator. >> actually -- >> -- the largest donors in her campaign have been consistently from wall street. people see her cozy with wall street. that's just her record. >> i think as new york senator she had a long and quite distinguished record with wall street with various pieces of legislation, about restricting abuses by hedge funds and so forth. i mean, i would put her record against anybody's in terms of wall street abuse. >> let's get to the topic on so many people's minds this week and that is gun control. and what to do about gun violence. they both support background checks and closing loopholes at gun shows. here's where they deliver. hillary says to repeal the

protection of lawful commercial in arms act. sala sally, let me start with you. do you think this is something that she'll be able to go after him after the debate? >> yes, she should. she should before the oregon shooting and should now. this is something that people don't know about bernie sanders but should. he's from a pro-gun state. he has a very strong record in challenging or not supporting common sense gun laws. hillary clinton has a strong record in fact supporting dmons gun reform. this is the point where she is with the majority of democratic americans. she should hammer him on this. >> i don't know if anybody is going to be hammering anybody. we'll have a healthy debate as we democrats do. and shouldn't be anything like rushing the attacker, right? hillary obviously feels

passionate about this. she's been a long time advocate for gun control. she supports the measure that would allow people to go after manufacturers. it is time. it's way past time, that we've got guns out of the hands of these criminals or crazy people. i think if hillary is elected president, that will be a priority. >> let's talk about syria. this is a point that will be a true distinction. hillary supports training syrian rebels to fight isis. bernie sanders opposes traying the renes. hillary supports the no fly zone. he supports the no fly zone. she breaks with obama administration in syria. he supports obama strategy in syria. how do you think this will play out, richard? >> certainly, hillary clinton supports a very robust foreign policy. and that's reflective of her time as secretary of state. i think senator sanders supports perhaps a more limited

prevention in the world and focus elsewhere. and it will be an important distinction between them. and i think a distinction that will be important to many voters and that will be on display. >> last word, sally. >> again, this goes to not just where they are now but were they were. bernie sanders consistently against the iraq war and other irresponsible american interventions. and hillary clinton was for it. and then when other people were against it, she's against it. that temperament, particularly hawkish is hurting her among other things. >> richard, sally, thank you so much. we'll be watching to see how it plays out tuesday night after the debate. new details about the oregon shooter. he was damped from the army because of a suicide event. the head of the brady campaign to prevent gun violence joins us next.

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we are learning more about the oregon massacre gunman this morning. law enforcement officials say he attempted suicide while in the army. this has brought a heated gun control debate. here we are again. >> here we are. >> we're talking about it again. we learned new details that we just mentioned, suicide attempt by the gunman in the massacre in 2008, discharged from the army. yet able to legally obtain some 14 firefirearms. do you believe that stricter laws could have prevented him from getting his hands on these guns? we don't know the details specifically of the case. what we know every single day in this country, 89 people are killed in this country with guns. there's so much more to get guns out of the hands of convicted

felons, the dangerous and mentally ill. background checks are ineffective. >> you've got the support of the american public. let me pull up our polling, 90% of americans favor background checks. we have talked about this before here. you think, now, is this a tipping point. the conversation has reached a fever pitch? >> i think we're so clearly in the middle of a tipping point. first of all, you're starting to see the vougs of the american public reflect in real progress in the states since the tragedy in sandy hook, six dates have expanded brady background checks to gun sales. those states are safer as a result. hillary clinton just announced that gun violence is a major part of had her platform. four years ago, that would have been unthinkable that the major presidential candidate would do that. it's real outrage. we're ready to hold our elected leaders accountable. >> but i want to show you

something that is interesting we've seen happen. in oregon, the "the new york times" is reporting that many in oregon are bristling at these calls for stricter gun laws. and you can understand the concern there. that's a state and community in pain and in fear and in frustration. >> yeah. >> and mourning the logs of their community citizens. what's your message, though, to the people, when they hear gun laws, gun control? what do you say to them who are so concerned about this infringing on their second amendment rights? >> that it doesn't. we're talking about one specific thing which is background checks. >> how can we make that clear? i think that message is getting lost in the noise. >> we are only talking about keeping guns out of the hands of people we all agree shouldn't have them. convicted felons, domestic abusers, those dangerous ill. i think we need to challenge our elected saying they're for gun

control. saying where does supporting back ground checks and supportingsupport supporting second amendment conflict with that? because it doesn't. >> i want to show you -- i think this story, there's no sense to be made of it. in tennessee an 11-year-old shot and killed his 8-year-old neighbor. what more needs to be done to make sure there is not ease of access even? obviously, to me, this feels like a storage issue, a gun safety issue, et cetera. there were other things at play here. but an 11-year-old getting their hands on a gun. >> it really all comes down to the same message which is keeping guns out of the wrong hands. there are policies that can do it. keeping the hands out of purchasers. and parents have to take responsibility. it actually relates to school shootings. in two-thirds of the school shooti shootings, the gun comes from the home or a relative.

parents are the first line of defense even when it comes to school shootings and the nine kids in our country that are is not unintentionally every single day. and almost all of those are with parents' guns. parents need to take responsibility too. we need a realization not based on fear. >> we saw what "people" magazine did with putting the lawmakers and their phone numbers out. we know citizens and voters and lawmakers are upset about seeing nine more people buried because of gun violence. it's so dividing. and divisive. people who are smart and safe gun owners want to know they can still have their rights? >> and what we need people to realize, there's a lot to prevent the 89 people buried every single day. the only place this is an issue is in congress and state houses. the 90% of americans supports

background checks. according to surveys, that's more than baseball or kittens. we need our elected leaders to step up. we need to close the disconnect between what the american public wants, what's costing lives and what our elected leaders are doing about it. >> you can get in on the conversation. i know you're passionate about it as well tweet us using the #newdaycnn. we're following a lot of news. let's get to it. i would not stand there and let him shoot me. >> dr. ben carson said everyone should have attacked the shooter instead of sitting back and getting killed. >> frankly, i think he was treated unfair. >> shooter connell shoot one person at a time. >> we've learned a lot about trade agreements. sometimes, they look great on paper. >> breaking president obama, opposing the signature trade agreement. >> these are issues that i've

had a very strong opinion on from day one. >> the u.s. coast guard will not be going out on search and rescue efforts. >> decision to end the search, suspend a search is painful. >> i want her back. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning, everyone. welcome back to your "new day." ben carson is not backing down, he's doubling down on what to do when confronted with a gunman with an as rsenal of weapons. carson said if he were in that classroom, he would have rallied everyone to attack the gunman. >> carson said the statements are meant as criticism by a teenager who was spared said carson is out of line. media mogul rupert murdoch is

coming to his defense. he tweets carson could be, quote, a real black president. there's a lot going on. and cnn has it all covered. let's start with athena jones live from des moines, iowa. >> reporter: good morning, chris. there is a lot going on. and that murdoch tweet is raising a lot of eyebrows. ben carson says what he thinks he doesn't worry about political correctness. the question now is whether his latest comments will begin to damage that appeal. >> i want to plant in people's minds what to do in a situation like this. >> reporter: republican presidential hopeful ben carson just can't seem to shake the firestorm he ignited. on wednesday, carson doubling down on controversial comments he made about last week's oregon campus massacre. >> from the indications that i got, they did not rush the shooter. the shooter can only shoot one

person at a time. he cannot shoot a whole group of people. >> reporter: now, a survivor of the shooting has responded, telling cnn, quote, i'm fairly upset he said that. nobody could truly understand what actions they would take in a situation like that unless they lived it." carson was telling abc news what he would have done. >> i would ask everybody to attack the gunman because he can't shoot all of us at a time. that way, we wouldn't all wind up dead. i would not just stlanand there >> reporter: but just a day later, the former brain surgeon recalling a much different reaction. when he was held up in baltimore to xm radio. >> the guy comes in, puts the gun in my ribs i said, i believe you want the guy behind the counter. >> in that calm way?

>> in that calm way? >> in that calm way. >> you just redirected him to -- >> redirected him. >> reporter: an unlikely ally. >> mr. trump, you're tweeting differently about him are you defending him. >> i thought he was treated unfairly. >> reporter: now, trump and carson have been holding their fire against one another in recent weeks. trump even said he'd tap carson for a cabinet position if he wins, chris. >> thank you very much. let's shift to hillary clinton. what's behind her course correction on trade. cnn's brianna keilar live in the washington bureau with more. what do you see? >> she is breaking big here, chris, with president obama when it comes to the transpacific trade partnership, which is his signature trade deal. she has said that she does not support it. and she's also breaking with herself. because she has said that this is the gold standard of trade deals in the past when she was secretary of state. really just add this to the list

of things that she has broken with president obama on, for instance, she has supported scrapping a cadillac plan task that pays for a chunk of obamacare. she's supported a no fly zone in syria and said deportation practices are too harsh. these things, trying to create some distance, especially as v.p. joe biden is weighing for a run to because. his office saying he's very much behind this trade deal. and you have other democratic challengers who are sort of criticizing clinton. bernie sanders really challenging clinton saying is this a place where i was from day one. it's good she's gotten to this position. and martin o'malley, really low in the poll accusing her of moving to this for the debate.

>> conservatives dealing a possible blow to house majority leader kevin mccarthy's path to the speakership. cnn's pretty cam reporter manu raji live on the hill for us. hi. >> reporter: hi, it's a drama-filled day on capitol hill. republicans will gather behind closed-door to select their nominee for speaker. what we're expect, kevin mccarthy, currently john boehner's number two man in the house. he does have support. you just need 125 votes to become the next speaker candidate for the republicans but the challenge for mccarthy will be what will happen on the house floor, late this month. on october 29th. when the full house will have to decide who they want to select as speaker. and that threshold needing 218 votes in order to become speaker of the house. kevin mccarthy does not have that 218 votes.

and why? largely because of that house freedom caucus. those conservatives who announced their support for daniel webster, a long shot candidate, a conservative from florida to take sthat speakership. but they could ban together if they so choose and make life difficult for kevin mccarthy and prevent him from ascending to that speakership later this month. >> thank you for that background. russia's air strike in syria posing a bit of a clash. cnn's barbara starr has more from the pentagon. what's happening? >> good morning, alisyn. all of this aimed at making u.s. pilots safe over syria. two f-16s came within 20 miles of a russian fighter jet. under new rules, the f-16s broke off and changed direction. the new rules require u.s. pilots to move away, when they

are within 20 miles of a russian jet. not that they think that the russians are going to aggressively shoot them down. but the russians are very unpredictable in their flying practices. and this is an effort the pentagon says to absolutely make sure u.s. pilots are kept safe. so russian pilots coming close to u.s. fighter jets. russian pilots also coming close to u.s. drones flying over syria. also another concern, obviously, those unmanned drones. all of this coming as russia also stepping up its naval strikes. it's ground action. something the u.s. intelligence community is watching very carefully. they believe one of the big messages from moscow here is putin is saying, my troops are out there. my troops can reach out and touch. chris. >> barbara starr, very daunting and also a little surprising to u.s. intelligence. let's talk about that.

have they been blind sided? and as what do you make of the republicans to disband the benghazi committee wednesday? let's discuss this with adam smith, a member of the benghazi committee and a ranking member. congressman, good to have you. let's unpack these one by one. why should that committee be disbanded with hillary clinton's date to come up there, why not get her to testify and see what she has to say and then do it? >> i'm sure she will come up and testify. she has lost focus on what it was established purportedly to do. and that is to establish the events of that night. unfortunately, it's all about secretary clinton trying to take her numbers down which representative mccarthy made clear last week is their sole focus. and that's a terrible use of taxpayer dollars. chris, after 17 months and $4.5

million the committee still cannot tell you what it is looking for, it's time to take the committee down. >> pushback is, one, you're not taking kevin mccarthy with benefit of context. he's saying what they discovered with benghazi and what wasn't reveal said what motivated the downturn in the numbers not about turning her numbers down. two, what we've seen in the e-mail there may be more there than what hillary clinton was transparent about, and that's why we aren't clear about benghazi, and that's why we keep investigating. your response? >> my response is it's not supposed to be about her e-mails. if the justice department is issuing go over the classification of it, other whether they have all of the e-mails they're supposed to have, that's for the justice department to decide and the chairman saying that is not what our committee is about. what is our committee about, unfortunately, after 17 months the chair and republican members still can't answer that question

i think mr. mccarthy's after the fact efforts to rationalize his comphev comments or reexplain them, don't answer the history of the committee. this isn't just about what mccarthy said on a given day. it's the fact that this committee has conducted business without democrats president. they've interviewed witnesses without telling us when those witnesses didn't corroborate their conspiracy theorys. they've given no insights into the facts of that day. it's the coumulative impact of it. then you have to determine enough is enough and a waefste taxpayer dollars. >> next topic there are reports

that u.s. missed russia coming into syria, didn't see it, didn't prepare for it. what do you think about it? >> well, if you go back a few months, it's certainly the case that i don't think our intelligence estimated that russia would go in with air power, with ground power. i think the expectation was more that they would continue and escalate the materiel support for the regime. i'm not sure if that's the decision that russia made or putin, he's the decision maker there. that may not be a decision that they made until fairly recently. again, the intelligence committee doesn't have a crystal ball than the rest of us. i think until we see signs what the russians are up to, then that intelligence was reported to us. it's difficult faulting them knowing what exactly what putin said before he makes the decisions himself. >> we had a guy on from russian television that said russia wants to work with the u.s. when

it comes to isis. they have more to feel afraid when it comes to isis than the u.s. does. they have big populations. they're closer in terms of access to land. so they would do that. in terms of assad, what's the mystery? we're backing up assad? russia's backing them up. they said, he's the only legitimate rurler there. and we're going to do it. if it's so out in the open, why does the u.s. seem so confused by the motivations and the way forward? >> well, i don't think we're confused by the motivation. i certainly think it's clear that putin isn't being honest about what his motivations are. they announced the military campaign is a way of going after isis. trying to defeat isis. then they went and attacked not isis but the modern acquisition. the turks announced a few months ago, you might recall, that they were joining in the campaign against isis. what did they do? they went in and bombed the

kurds. i think similarly, they're using the threat from isis which is a threat for them, as well as for us. as a shield for their true objective which is propping up a friendly regime, maintaining their military basis. in that respect, isis is useful to putin. that doesn't isolate the fact that isis is a scourge, and obviously, you make this hobsonnian deal where you weaken the reign and it will come back and bite you as well. >> well, the criticism on a political side is that it makes the united states look weak. russia does whatever it wants. turkey does whatever it wants. russia did this in the ukraine with crimea. . and russia just basically nods its head and does whatever it wants anyway. is the united states being weak in this situation? should there have been a harder stance? does this speak for a lack of

cohesiveness in that region? >> i definitely think we should take a harsher stance. i've been saying that we supply defensive weapons to help ukraine in this onslaught. and in syria, i think we have to reconsider options that the administration has been reluctant to move forward in. that might mean no fly zone in the southern part of syria. it might mean we're not going to allow bashar al assad to continue barrel bombing. sending up helicopters to barrel bomb people, we're going to take those down. i think these are steps that we're going to have to consider anew. because there are reputational costs to be seen as not willing to support people that we're behind, not willing to take a strong position and being challenged by others. i think that has implications that extend far beyond syria and the middle east. >> representative adam schiff, thank you very much.

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skeptical. joining us now is retireded major general james "spider" marks and now the executive dean of the university. great to have you. let's talk about this. these two f-16s were forced to divert, retreat, basically, because they came within 20 miles of the russian jet. why is the u.s. having to to retreat? >> what we don't want to do is pick a fight with russia. we have never had had a hot war with russia and we don't want to do. however when the generals send the command you're going to have to get out of the air. they're saying, great, however, we will swarm every aircraft we can in a designated area. you need to watch out for us. not us watching out for you. i understand diverting so we don't have an accident, that makes perfect sense but i think we have to show far more presence. >> doesn't it show that we're

not coordinating with them? >> oh, we're not coordinating. where it matters inside the cockpit, the control centers, we're not communicating. >> do you have a sense that's going to change? >> no, we have no experience working at that level with the russians. this is new for us. we know how to conduct a dialogue, where that matters, that's never been done before. i don't see this happening. >> russia has fired 26 long-range cruise missiles from the caspian see. 930 miles away from their target. that's the first time i understand russia is using long-range missiles rather than in training. what does that say to you? >> it's big time. what that shows, they've got the technology that we have. they're now employing it in a way internationally that we've never seen before. look at the map and look at the overflight. they've violated the airspace of

iran. they've essentially violated a little bit of turkey as well which is a big time problem. they're doing that without asking any questions at all. >> what is the backlash for this? what does turkey and iran do? >> they'll say don't do that again. that's it. there's very little they can do after the fact. russia has established that they will do with impunity what they want to do. and u.s. will respond. which is unfortunately. >> russia also says they're going to be targets isis targets but in fact, they are targeting the opposition from what the u.s. can tell. so, now what. >> oh, completely. when you look at these targets, you see where, you know, assad's forces are along. and opposition forces are positioned where assad is and isis is. where russia is attacking thargs going after forces that are anti-regime to try to take us

down. that is not the intent here. >> so the u.s. also launching air strikes against isis at this time? >> yes, absolutely. we will continue to do that. certainly naulot in the same volume. russia has done 20 or 25. united states, to this date, don about six. there's a mismatch. >> so there's a mismatch. how do you see this playing out? >> well the real issue to me, we've spent american treasure, we've put ourselves at risk. we've got ourselves politically at risk. and we're saying we want to train anti-regime forces but we want them to go against the regime. we need to let that loose and let them go against isis and regime. but we also have to build that up a little bit. the message that we're sending now, you're kind of on your own. >> just in the past hour, reuters has reported that u.s.

lawmakers plan to launch a probe into whether or not u.s. intelligence agencies were surprised by all of this. do you think we had any idea of what russia was planning? >> i think we have a magnificent intelligence community. we have incredible collection component. it's what you do about it. it's what concerns me. >> do you think we knew what russia was planning? >> i'm certain we did. i'm certain we did. it's how you work that. you provide a conundrum, essentially saying this is what we know, this is what we've seen, what are you going to do about it? that's what we need. >> thank you. dr. ben carson revealing he was once threatened at gunpoint. did he take his own advice and rush the shooter like he said the oregon massacre victims should have? hear in his own words coming up.

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carson controversy again. a neurosurgeon and gop growing star claims everyone in the oregon shooting should have rushed the gunman instead of sitting back and getting shot. in terms of gun sales in more

violence, carson said he'd rather see a body riddled with bullet holes than more gun control. meanwhile, rupert murdoch tweeting out that carson would be, quote, a real black president. the u.s. and syria said it struck missiles. the pentagon said two had to be diverted from the path of russian fighter jets in the skies of syria this as it escalate. the u.s. government is taking on rogue drones. the faa is testing technology that can detect small unmanned aircraft that fly within a five-mile radius of certain airports. the system reportedly can pinpoint the drone operator and force the drone to land. federal officials say there's been a increase in getting

drones. and greg hardy for 31ing his girlfriend is raising eyebrows. he said he's coming out "guns ablazen against the patriots. curious phrase. adding i've not seen tom brady, have you seen his wife? i hope she comes to the game. and i hope her sister comes too. . that's why i said a curious phrase, when he said guns ablazing. that person saying that people caught in mass shootings should rush their attackers. talked about being attacked himself during a radio interview but his position is much different than the one he's advocated. >> a guy comes in, puts the gun in my ribs.

and i just said, i believe you that want the guy behind the counter. >> that's what you -- in that calm way? >> in that calm -- >> okay. >> he said, oh, okay. >> oh, so you just redirected him to -- >> redirected him. >> okay. >> here to response to all of the comments cnn political commentator and political strategist donna brazile and ana navarro. ladies, great to have you in the studio. >> let's start with ben carson. >> i was going to ask you to explain it. >> you want to be responsible for everything. not only what's up with ben carson's comments even the victim of the shooter has said it's upsetting to him and that had you can't do that in that scenario. also he didn't know that chris mintz, a vet, had rushed the gunman and been shot seven times. so ben carson wasn't aware of this. >> how could you not know that chris mintz did this? i mean, he was all over the

internet, looking fine and shirtless with seven bullets. >> but he's a brave guy. >> courageously brave. >> how do you explain that, donald trump said he thinks ben carson is being treated unfairly. why would donald trump rush to ben carson's defense in this scenario? >> i don't know, the stars are all aligned. normally he's not one that gives twitter love. i can't explain ben carson. that's way beyond my pay grade and my comprehension level. i think he needs to stop digging this hole. i don't think he meant to offend anybody but i think he is beginning to offend some of the folks. if the victims themselves are saying, look, we are offended. it's time to stop. move on, let's talk about national issues, and let's not, you know, relitigate what happened in oregon, when you were not in that classroom. and people who were, like chris

mintz did rush the shooter. >> the question is, is this a pattern of what he had believes is candor that may be resonating with the base, gay is a choice, i don't trust a muslim unless they reject sharia. you should rush the gunman. some of these may be the guy at the end of the bar-type statements. and now they've become part of the convention of running for president. so does it work for him? >> no. short term, everything works. he's been getting an awful lot of attention. we've talked about him, what, two days. that's two days more than i'd ever talk about ben carson. i respect him. i think he's a great surgeon. but when it comes to some of these issues, perhaps it's good to get a political adviser that will help him, so he's not out here insulting people like chris mintz. >> you know with frankly ben

carson and donald trump. i don't think ben carson is trying to insult anybody. that's not his persona. that's not who he is, or how he comes across. but he's saying a lot of things that can be misconstrued. >> donna, strategically speaking why would donald trump align himself with ben carson? >> look, they have -- >> i mean, he likes the way he says thing. >> they have good chemistry. i watched them on the stage. good chemistry, clearly, mutual respect. so, look, whatever is going on on the republican side, soon it will be over because we're going to have a big, big night on tuesday when the democrats finally get an opportunity to talk about the issues. their vision. maybe just for one night, we don't have to talk about donald trump. >> why is your woman hillary clinton running away from your man barack obama? >> look, i've got a woman and a

man? >> yeah, it's a new day. call the police and firemen! >> i'm not even touching that. >> look, why is the secretary of state, who once was called the gold standard, has come out against it. i think because in the final details, some of the standards that she believes should be part of this deal are not in the deal. and because she understands it -- >> oh, good man -- >> come on. >> oh, give me a break. coming out against it because she's running for president. and she's got a left problem. and bernie sanders is making her sweat. >> no, the republicans and republicans. we need to get independent views in this. >> they've been out all over the world talking up the tpp. for years and years. >> it doesn't hurt. >> did she flip-flop and doesn't stand for this?

>> tpp is opp -- >> she's not saying -- >> i think she's able to defend herself. i think she'll be able to explain why these are her view. there's no reason that hillary clinton should stand on every position that barack obama or joe biden or anyone else. or that a clinton has held before. this is hillary clinton's platform. this is her issue, her vision. i think she'll, able to defense herself. >> we've seen it before, right? she was for it before against it. >> what's going to happen on the stage with her and bernie? bernie says i know there's others on the stage. obviously there's a focus to see who can really distinguish themselves. bernie said you're not looking at a candidate that will go against anybody personally, do you think hill ary will go to te

same standard? >> i think hillary will explain where heshe's coming from. this is not a republican debate. we're not going to have partisan, petty problems. we're going to have a big discussion about big issues. democratic talking points, they're not one page. you can't put it on a 3x5 card. it's like 35 pages. >> there's going to be no partisan sniping? >> it can get ugly. >> oh, i'm sure it will. martin o'malley, jim webb, they're also there to play as well. >> and martin o'malley has a lot on the line. some of these guys are really out there to go from being an asterisk to being a blip on the rule. >> we have 1%. is this all 1%. this is going to be a dynamic exchange. i think hillary clinton, bernie sanders may be the main, you

know, item of whatever contingent. but you're going to see the other candidates try to interact. >> i think it's going to be revealing because we haven't seen that interaction amongst the -- >> you defend what you believe and under scrutiny. >> and the styles are so different, right? the bernie sanders and hillary clinton style. i think there should be more debates. everybody in the democratic party is asking for more debates. >> in the democratic party, we have forums, we have debates, we have conversations we don't have 17 -- or 18. >> what's wrong with a debate? with every candidate on the stage, vice chair of the dnc are calling for more. >> six sanctioned debates and there will be more forums around opportunities for the candidates. >> oh, they're there. >> one last quick thing. is hillary prepping hard for this in terms of how to deal with what comes at her? >> knowing secretary clinton,

hillary clinton, absolutely. this is a woman who has always done her homework. but i guarantee you, bernie sanders and the rest, martin o'malley, you notice, the five, i'm neutral. i'm trying to love five people. >> i can't even bring up some of their names. >> now that i've got my man and my woman here. by the way, can i just say something about being real blacky. >> please. you qualify. >> i mean, president obama has been a dynamic good phenomenal president. and you know what, if mr. murdoch doesn't like this blackness -- >> i'm not going to define what real blackness is. i don't know what it is. certainly, the definition is not going to be set by an old white man from australia. there you go. >> donna, ana, i know you love to debate.

>> ideas first. also, we're just five days away from that first democratic debate hosted by cnn and facebook. it's october 13th. 8:30 p.m. right here on cnn. if you'd like a question you'd like asked by the democratic debate head over to the facebook page or use the #demdebate. we're aware the oregon suicide attempted suicide. we're going to speak to an author who studies mass killings and families who have loved ones who commit these atrocities, how they cope. you totalled your brand new car.

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survivors and families of the nine victims of the oregon campus massacre still asking why. we know that the gunman attempted suicide while he was in the army. were warning signs missed by his family and friends? >> i want to turn to edward sullivan.

he's interviewed survivors of mass shooters. he's the author of "far from the tree." we're struggling here, i think it's interesting the perspective you've gained from talking to family members. you've sat down with the gunman in sandy hook's father. you spoke to the killer of the columbine survivors. i can't imagine losing a loved one but knowing that their child p perpetrated such hour rirrific violence. >> one of the obligations of parenthood is to know your child and be able to help your child. and what a lot of parents have described is enormous grief for

the other people who have lost children. enormous grief for those who have died but also enormous grief and self-criticism that they didn't know and couldn't see and weren't aware of what was going to happen. and yet over and over again, i found that the parents did not cause the problem and did not have the ability to know that this problem was out there. >> you spoke to peter lanza, the father of the sandy hook shooter. i know he has struggled with understanding how it could have happened. he was mostly estranged from his son for the last two years before the killings. was there any sense at all -- i mean, this was a troubled kid. you talk about how troubled this child was. but did he know it was taking a turn for the worse? >> these kids in most instances are very secretive. and there's a lot of rhetoric out there saying, oh, we only need to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. whatever the mental disorder or

personal disorder or psychopathy is, drives this behavior we don't have a screening test for it. we can pick up that people are suicidal, we could know that a person portion, especially disaffected young males who are suicidal will actually commit a murder/suicide and in all of these instances the parents were very worried about these children. they were all engaged in helping their children. but the children had no evidence of what was going on. when you look at how many parents are astonished for when their kids come out of the closet, you notice only a idea that parents know that. adolescents are able to keep secrets. >> talk about that further challenge of, you know, for example, this gunman in oregon. 26 years old. this is not a child. this is not even a teenager.

this is a young man. and if you have a child or an off spring that has some of these challenges and issues and is troubled, there's only so much parents can do, once they're an adult, correct? >> well, you can restrict access to guns in so far as the guns are in your own house. >> correct. >> that's something that you can readily do. i think the difficulty is that often, you have some understanding that your child is suffering. in this instance, the child had an asperger diagnosis and was having a rough time. often the diagnosis blinds you to the possibility that there are other problems too. though you recognize what part of his problem is you don't know what all of his problem is. the thing to do is have the most possible open lines of communication with your child. and not to assume because he has one problem that he doesn't know another. some autistic people are

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"late night" east host taking merciless jabs at republican hopefuls who have been described as less than energetic. jeb bush, ben carson, if you were sleeping -- pun intended -- here is what you missed. >> jeb. latest polls have him in fifth place at 8%. which means all he needs to win the nomination is for during the next debate the stage to collapse. the smart guys have jeb as the odds on favorite by 2-1.

>> i would not just stand there and let him shoot me. hey guys, everybody attack him. he may shoot me but he can't get us all. >> i think he's a little over inspiring how good his presence might be? you're going to shoot me? hey guys, listen up. i need you all to rally behind my charismatic presence and charge with me into certain death. who's with -- >> he was good. trevor noah was very good. >> fantastic. >> you know that you have done something significant when you take trump's spot in the "late night" line up as the target. >> i also like steve colbert's "jeb" with the exclamation mark. so great. >> so why are they making fun of him? >> because ben cars season doubling down. when this first happened he was

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>> i would not just stand there and let him shoot me. >> breaking with president obama opposing his signature trade agreement. >> i am not in favor of what i have learned about it. >> i look forward to a vigorous debate on the most important issues facing the country. >> russia is stepping up its military campaign in syria by land, sea and air. >> forcing a u.s. plane to divert from a mission in syria. >> there is no agreement with the russians on how both countries pilots will operate in the skies. >> this is "new day" with cris cuomo, allsyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, welcome to your "new day." thursday october 8th. 8:00 in the east and ben cars season picking up a powerful new backer after his refusal to back

pedal from comments. carson claims everyone in that classroom should have rushed the shooter. >> and rupert murdoch tweeting that carson would be, quote, a real black president. there is a lot ahead of the big cnn debate next week. let's begin with athena jones from iowa. what is the latest? >> good morning, that murdock tweet is getting a lot of attention this morning. and when it comes to ben carson, part of his appeal voters say is that he's not a politician. he says what he thinks and doesn't worry about political correctness. the question now is whether these latest comments will begin to damage that appeal. >> i want to plant in people's minds what to do in a situation like this. >> republican presidential hopeful ben carson just can't seem to shake the fire storm he ignited. on wednesday, carson doubling

down on controversial comments he made about last week's oregon campus massacre. >> from the indications that i got they did not rush the shooter. the shooter can only shoot one person at a time. he cannot shoot a whole group of people. >> now, a survivor of the shooting has responded. telling cnn, quote, i'm fairly upset he said that. nobody could truly understand what actions they would take like that in a situation unless they lived it. carson first commented on the massacre on tuesday telling abc news what he would have done. >> i would ask everybody to attack the gunman because he can only shoot one of us at a time. that way we don't all wind up dead. >> i would not just stand there and let him shoot me. hey guy, everybody attack him. he may shoot me but he can't get us all. >> recounting a much different reaction when he was once held at gunpoint in baltimore to sirius xm radio.

>> guy comes in and puts the gun at my ribs and i just said "i believe you want the guy behind the counter." he said okay. >> oh so owe just miss -- redirected him to -- >> i redistricted him to -- >> okay. >> on wednesday an unlikely ally. >> mr. trump, you are tweeting differently about him. >> i thought he was treated unfairly. >> now trump and carson have been holding their fire against one another in recent weeks. trump even says he'd tap carson for a cabinet position if he wins. chris? >> thanks. let's now look at hillary clinton turning on president obama and one of his achievements. the tpp deal she once supported strongly. now she doesn't. is this just a political play? let's tourney to brianna keeler live in the washington bureau.

yes you distance yourself when you one but? >> but certainly i guess you could say it raises a lot of eyebrows when she does do so. she is breaking big with president obama. she's contradicting herself because of the secretary of state she heralded this deal dozens of times. but her campaign will say she said she was waiting on the details. now she's been briefed and she doesn't agree with the trade deal. but you see her in this context of where she is politically. she's getting challenged from the left by bernie sanders. and so this is the position that she came to as she's had a bit of a lukewarm reception from unions of big labor i should say as she runs for president. and here is what she ended up telling pbs news hour. >> i'm worried about currency manipulation, not being part of the agreement. we've lost american jobs to the manipulations that countries particularly in asia have engaged in. as of today i am not in favor of

what i have learned about it. >> so really add this to the list of hillary clinton breaking with president obama on certain areas. for instance, she proposes scrapping a tax on cadillac plans that pays for quite a chunk of obamacare. she's proposed a no fly zone over syria as well. and she came out against the keystone xl pipeline. not necessarily breaking with the president but certainly understood cutting him because he has not come to a position on that. this is also something i think you look at in the context of vice president joe biden as he is weighing a run at this point, michaela. these are positions that will be hard for him to take. for instance, we know his office is saying he still very much support this is trade deal. >> and likely that trade deal a big topic at the debates in washington on the 13th. bernie sanders meanwhile preparing to make the case he's

been right from day one on issues like tpp. closing the fundraising gap with clinton now and even beating her in some polls. going into tuesday's democratic debate is he ready? >> it is really interesting. bernie sanders is not preparing in a typical way. he's not going through full blown mock debates. no one is standing in as hillary clinton. but he is studying up. his top strategists tell us he's "briefing books and talking to experts this week going through specific policy issues. the sanders campaign is really treating this moment as a very important one for him as the candidate. he's been doing well in the polls. in new hampshire he in fact is in the lead. upped 42 to clinton's 28. and he's also inching closer to clinton in iowa. so certainly how he'll handle some of these policy distinctions with clinton while up there on that debate stage will be key for him.

and i talked to him about this, how he's approaching this as he preps for the debate. >> you are looking at a candidate who does not go about attacking people personally. what i think democracy is about and what i think debates are about is in fact differentiating the differences of opinions that we have. >> and that said, bernie sanders makes it perfectly e clear that he is ready with a laundry list of ideas and policy distinctions he wants to highlight between him and clinton over tpp, over wall street. over the keystone pipeline. going into this weekend he hopes to have a real boost of energy and momentum. he is rolling out tomorrow his first congressional endorsement for representative. into the weekend he'll hold three big campaign rallies. this is important for the

campaign to send him in with a boost of momentum. >> let's find out more about what bernie sanders is doing. joining us is his campaign manager jeff weaver. hi, thanksing if br on "new day." >> good morning. how are you? >> i'm well. what is bernie sanders doing today and the next couple of days to prepare for the big debate? >> bernie is really not a sort a showman. he's getting briefs and a serious candidate and likes to talk about issues in a serious way. so, you know, i know a lot of other candidates typically have these stand ups where somebody plays the other candidates and what have you. >> and why isn't bernie sanders engaging in these mock debates? >> well because he's not into the showmanship to the debate. so he wants to dig deeper into some of the issues that we believe will be asked about at the debate so we can have a substantive discussion about the issues facing america. if you compare what happened at

the republican debate we are not interested in a political food fight on the stage and i don't think the american people are either. they want to hear about how are you going to address income inequality, how are you going to address the high cost of college education, how we're going too deal with climate change. that is what people want to hear from the candidates on the stage and not petty personal attacks like we saw in the republican debate. >> let's look at the latest polls. this is the nbc maris poll and where the candidates stand in new hampshire. bernie sanders is 42% now. hillary clinton just 28% in new hampshire. and joe biden if he were to run is at 18%. some have suggested this is because bernie sanders is from the neighboring state. how much impact do you think that is? >> well i think this is what this poll tells you -- and if you look at polls in iowa and elsewhere. what these tell you is the more people know about bernie sanders, the more they want to vote for him. so as he's exposed to people across the country and his ideas for transforming america are introduced to people around the country, what you are going to

do see is people in new hampshire have obviously come to bernie sanders. people in iowa are moving in his direction. and you are going to see this in state by state by state. that is how we elect a nominee is state by state. and as bernie sanders is introduced, the more they know about him, the more they like him and the higher his vote totals go. >> i want to ask about his fundraising. if you compare the second quarter fundraising to the third quarter fundraising twine him and clinton, the second quarter she had $47.5 million roll in to his 15 million. the third quarter he's closed the gap. is this really just from grassroots small donations that he's amassing this? >> absolutely. we have over 650,000 individual contributors who have given over a million contributions to the campaign. average contribution, a little over $30. this is a campaign funded at the

grassroots by working class and middle class americans. we don't have a super pack. we don't have a lot of rich donors. so this is how the modern grassroots campaign is funded. by every day people who contribute what they can. >> i want to ask you about the issue that some pundits believe that hillary clinton will be able to go after bernie sanders on at the debate and that of course is gun violence and what the senator plans to do about it. what has the senator said since the oregon massacre about what he believed should change? >> look, what happened in oregon is appalling and everybody is clearly shocked by it and we need to do something about it. and that is where the senator stands. the truth is that bernie sanders has a strong record on gun safety legislation. he has supported an assault weapons ban since before he was elected to congress in 1990. voted for and supports background checks. and closing the gun show loophole and making the

background checks stronger. he's supported limits on the size of magazines so you don't have magazines with 20 or 30 or 40 rounds of ammunition. this is an important issue we need to address and he has a record of doing that and he is going to continue speaking out on this very, very important issue. we also have to deal with the issue of mental health intervention. there are a lot of individuals out there who need mental health intervention who can't get those services currently. >> and what would he suggest about that? >> well we need to make a huge investment in making mental health services available to americans. one of the problems is even when you have somebody in crisis who's identified as being in crisis, often they have difficulty accessing services in a timely way or getting inpatient care in a timely way. so they are left on the street. >> one of the ways he differentiates his plan from hillary clinton's is on whether or not gun manufacturers could be sued. why doesn't senator sanders believe that the gun manufacturers could be sued.

i mean isn't this up to the criminal justice. >> it is done in the civil part of our judicial system. but this is the point. in vermont. we're a small state a rural state. with a strong culture of gun ownership and a lot of piece those businesses are -- he is concerned about those types of people being caught up potentially in lawsuits. in terms of the big manufacturers, you know, when nur congress you get a bill and you have to vote up or down. so it is not always the bill that you would craft if you are writing it yourself. so can someone make the case that this law needs to be sort of imagimassaged or changes nee be put back in. of course. and he's open to those kind of changes but in the senate or house you get a bill and you have to vote on it up or down even if you don't like all the parts of the bill.

>> will bernie sanders be talking about benghazi or hillary clinton's e-mail issues? >> no, no, and no. people don't want to hear about all of this distraction. this is the republican playbook. they don't like to talk about issues because they don't have anything to say for the american people. more tax break ts for the rich. nothing to say about college education or racial justice. nothing that is not offensive to say about immigration reform. the democratic side we do have something to say. and bernie sanders certainly has something to say and those are the issues we want to talk about. the issues that effect people in their homes and lives. not these benghazi e-mail distractions that you hear so much about. >> we'll look forward to watching it all play out. tuesday night. coming up on "new day" we'll talk about with first congressman to endorse bernie sanders. what does he like so much about bernie? we'll ask about that.

new details this morning about the troubled past of the 26-year-old gunman who killed nine at oregon's umpqua community college. turns out he was discharged from the army in 2008 for trying to commit suicide after one month of basic training. give us an update dan on what we know. >> reporter: well this was 2008. we don't know all of the details. we do know that the shooter chris harper mercer joined the military. joined the army. he never got through basic training because according to one law enforcement source he tried to commit suicide. and he was discharged. now, because it was not a dishonorable discharge, he was then allowed to legally purchase guns. in the meantime we're getting some more information about what happened in those final tense

moments here at the university. we know that two plain clothed officers heard what was going on and rushed to the scene. they then hear the sound of gunfire, go towards that classroom. and then they themselves come under fire. they returned fire, hitting the suspect once. the suspect then goes back into the classroom and then takes his own life. we should tell you that because of those officers, undoubtedly they wound up saving several lives. and once again it is those first responders that come to the scene. they weren't even wearing bullet proof vests. so pretty amazing stuff. >> and also look, this furthers the understanding of what do you do to prevent these? suicide is a huge component of gun violence. it almost dominates the statistics and that is why that information about this shooter matters. dan thank you. so here is the latest on the syria situation vis-a-vis russia and the u.s. there will be no working with them. that is what we're hearing from ash carter, ruling out

cooperation with moscow, as long as it is propping up assad. this as we learned two u.s. aircraft had to be diverted because they were coming too close to others over syria. live at the pentagon. we had someone on from russian television who said they are in there to back up assad and fight isis. there is no misdirection here. plain as that. >> well, that is clearly the russian view. the u.s. view somewhat different. and right now what the pentagon is all about is keeping american pilots safe in the skies over syria. they do not believe at this point that they can trust the russians, that they will have to take their own security into their own hands. that is why you are going to see u.s. planes continue to divert if russian planes come within 20 nautical miles of them. this is not about the retreat we are told. this is about the pentagon taking responsibility for the safety of american pilots and air crews in the skies. so we've had this one diversion.

we also know that russian fighter jets are now shadowing. in at least two cases u.s. military drones flying over the turkish border trying to maintain border security. so the russians very much on the move. ash carter saying no cooperation on strategy. but he wants to get that technical agreement that will help keep everyone safe in the skies, even as the russians continue their offensive. more naval fire, more ground action, pounding targets in western syria that the u.s. believes very clearly are targets that are anti assad targets that the russians are there to prop up assad. >> barbara, thanks for that update on syria. here at home flooding in south carolina is expected to get worse in the next few days as all of the water flows downstream. the total death toll climbing to 19 after the bodies of two missing men were found.

at least 13 dams in south carolina have failed or been breached. several more monitored. >> senator harry reed is suing a company that makes exercise bands. he was using one when it broke and slipped out of his hand, causing him to fall. he lost vision in one eye and injured his ribs. he's seeking more than $50,000 in damages. >> bill cosby will testify tomorrow. cosby's deposition in the case will be sealed until december, at least. the accuser is judy huth. and she says cosby forced her to perform a sex act when she was just 15. cosby has repeatedly denied wrong doing. >> so with russia flexing military muscle in syria

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if they are there and we know why what are we going to do about it? the auto over "the accidental admiral." currently dean of the fletcher school at tuft's university. admiral thank you for being here. so we have a man on from russia tv. he says russia is there to back up assad. he is the only legit person. he should be there. they have said it a all along. putin has said it. that is why they are there. i don't think they will put a lot of boots on the ground yes the ruxs are shy about that. and yes they will also help you fight isis because they are as vulnerable as you are and more so. that is it. if it's so plain why is the u.s. pretending it is confused. >> there are two problems with that argument. the first one is assad is a vicious war criminal. he's gassed his people. >> barrel bombing. >> barrel bombed them.

brutalized and pushed seven million outside of the count. and those inside the country. >> before you get to the second point. let's take a step on the first one. they are saying that is why they are there. we keep hearing from u.s. officials if they are there to back up assad and we think -- they are saying that is why we're there. why is the u.s. not dealing with that on its face and saying okay, they are there? >> it sounds like there is this vacillation because we don't know what to do. fair point is this. >> somewhat. what i think we will continue to do is keep pressure on russia in other venues, including the sanctions which were levied over ukraine but i think will segue nicely into his point as the war criminal. >> what is the second point. >> the second point is the danger of these forces, u.s. and russia. you mentioned the intercepts. we've also seen them intercepting our drones. these are big aircraft. they are firing cruise missiles. they have land troops and ten warships in the seas.

it is kind of the example of putin taking his shirt off again to show military russian might. that is bad because we have u.s. forces there. and inadvertent collision between forces would be devastating. >> you call it non confliction. >> yeah. deconfliction. >> deconfliction, which is like a fancy term of art for saying how do we not shoot at each other. but if you are going after certain targets and they are going after different ones eventually something terrible is going to happen. >> potentially it will. there is a difference between operating together and crafting a strategy alongside which we're not going to do and doing the deconfliction which you mentioned which is vital. we can separate the targets. we can separate the air space. we need an adult conversation between the militaries to make sure we don't have an inadvertent collision of some kind. >> so it seems like russia does whatever it wants and america kind of just shakes it head. we just saw this in ukraine.

and they are going to do whatever they want and the u.s. huff and puffs can then doesn't blow a house down. >> what we see is the advantage someone like putin had is because he's a totalitarian leader. >> u.s. intel failed. you didn't see it coming. >> here would be my response. until we can drill into the vladimir putin's head we're not going to see that intel coming because he is drive theegz events very personally and tactically. that is an advantage he has that allows him to turn inside our circle. >> so what do we do? the u.s. keeps saying assad must go. he can't be there. russia says we don't think so. we think he's the right guy and maybe you get a coalition government down the road. so what do you co- >> first and foremost i think prioritize and focus on the islamic state. arming the kurds. it is launching the air campaign against -- >> let russia -- >> let me get to that point.

we're going to take on the islamic state first. over in syria. we keep the pressure on russia through external means -- >> that pressure working? because he seems to get more popular not less. >> actually his ratings have gone down. and sanctions take a long time to work. look how long it took to crack the iranians on the sanctions deal. so they are working. it will take time. low oil prices will help. we have to pressure other venues but the bottom line is we should not sign up to supporting assad. >> well, that seems unlikely at this point. not that long ago during the crossing the red line phase of syria policy the president went from well let's see who gassed all of these people to saying i want to bomb in syria and congress held him back. so the u.s. has been somewhat all over the map on this. >> we have. i think we could take a stronger leadership role creating a the real strategy that prioritizes going after islamic state, puts

external pressure on russia, aligns us with sunni allies in the region, not just saudi arabia and the gulf states but also jordan and egypt and also leverages turkey's position and hopefully get nato engaged in this. that is a coherent strategy. we need it. >> politicians look at the situation, especially if they are e anymore cal to the cause of the president and say this is proof that the u.s. is weak. is that a fair analogy? or do you see it as fair versus insane. >> i think the united states is strong and has a leadership role to play. we could play a heavier role at the moment in the middle east. we famously decided we are erp going to do a pacific pivot some time ago. that hasn't worked out so well. we may not be interested in the mideast but the middle east is interested in us. >> thank you for being with us on "new day" and help us understanding. >> bringing the world together. i love it. bernie sanders providing a formidable challenger to hillary clinton.

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. vermont senator bernie sanders getting his first endorsement from a member of congress. hillary clinton already has more than a hundred. so why aren't more senators in the house and senate feeling the burn. raul grijalvgrijalva, thank you joining us. what's he got that she ain't got. >> bernie is a friend. and i wanted to do for bernie's campaign what i can to reinforce his message. i think the strongest thing that bernie has is a message, an agenda. it is resonating well with the the american people. it is resonating well because there is a connection and the connection is americans' interest frustration with where we are, where the economy is, where wages are, where inclusion

and participation under democracy isn't. bernie is talking about. that and that consistency i think is something that not only has drawn me there and he's a friend. but i think as other members begin to also hear from their constituents as other members begin to look at what the motivation that bernie is creating across the country, i think more and more people will begin to give very very serious consideration to his campaign. >> well you have said the word "consistency" a couple of times. do you see that as the distinguishing characteristic between bernie sanders and hillary clinton? >> no i want to be also -- i think bernie has been great at making sure that he sticks to the issues. and he has an historic record with those issues. he's been good to stick with the issues. hasn't demonized, degraded any opponents, hilly in particular. and i respect her. formidable person, capable person. but when i mention consistency,

the hardest thing in politics is to stay on course. and bernie has done that for decades. so i want to reinforce that message because i think bernie is absolutely correct. we're in a transformational period in the political life of this nation. and i want to be part of doing what i can to bring that transformation about. >> so it is not that hillary is wrong. it is that bernie has been more right for more time. >> well that is part of it. and also i think you have to understand that this is doct-- bernie is representing a point of view, a message a value and a vision. and this is not new. he didn't put on these shoes yesterday morning. this hasn't been an epiphany. it is just this is who bernie is and this is the time in the history of our nation where that message is not only being heard but being understood. and i think that is the big

difference. >> well look, we've had the senator on the show many times. we are always enthusiastic giving him a chance to test his message. we're hoping to get him on tomorrow to see where his head is leading into the debate. but when making this determination, you have to decide which message you like better and also you have to weigh that with the practicality of who has a better chance of winning. do you see bernie sanders having a legitimate chance of beating hillary clinton? >> i do. i think it is going to be an intense campaign, intense fight. but i -- just like bernie is in this thing win. i've endorsed him and the people that are supporting him are in this thing to win. and to change the tone, the texture of american politics and that is -- that is the struggle. and so we have a messenger. it is bernie sanders. and i'm comfortable with it. i choose to support him because i believe in him. i choose to support him because he's a good, honest, decent

human being. and i choose to support him because he is lending voice to issues that have been muted in american politics for so long. >> what are you hearing in the hallways of congress? why are they slow in doing the same as you? >> i think we all come to our own conclusions. we end up in congress in the same way. we have to appeal to voters. i'm not going browbeat and strong arm any colleagues. what i believe is people will come to their own conclusions. and i respect that and i think people are seriously thinking about it. and that is what's important at this point. >> what do you want to see out of the senator in the debate? as we know debate, you have been in plenty. they are a contact sport. even if you want to say i'm not going talk about the other people, that is not who i am. you have to in a debate to a certain extent. you have to figure a way to establish distinctions and there is an inherent negativity. what does he have do. >> i think he has to -- for me,

bernie continues to talk about the issues at that debate. he continues to defend those positions and continues to speak this those terms, i think he will defend himself well by sticking to the issues and he will defend himself well by the mere fact that he's on a stage as a co-equal. those values and ideas have been le legitimatized and more importantly he doesn't have to do anything than to stick to being bernie and talk about the issues. >> being on equal footing is all he needs is what you're saying. >> at this point, yes. but i think we're in it to win it. >> representative gr, thank you. are you feeling the burn?

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here we go with the five things to know. ben carson criticized by survivor of the oregon campus massacre for saying the victims should have rushed the shooter. hillary clinton coming out against the tpp deal she support as secretary state. she's now prepping for the first democratic debate that's tuesday here on cnn. a conservative group of lawmakers is rejecting kevin mccarthy and instead supporting daniel webster of florida. the big house floor vote is october 29th. russia striking in syria overnight. two u.s. military planes were diverted from the path of a

russian fighter jet over syria. families of the el families. families of the el faro crew mourning today. all right. from a woman who rescues sloths in south america to the doctor who cares for the homeless in pittsburgh, we have picked the top ten cnn heros of the 2015 and by "we" we mean anderson cou cou cooper. and yes he's here to reveal the top ten next. because we're changing. big things. small things. spur of the moment things. changes you'll notice. wherever you are in the world.

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good to have you back with us here. i want you to be relaxed for this. >> i'm -- >> okay. we love this time of year. because we share an every day person changing the world. today we get to reveal the top ten of 2015. take a look at the finalists. >> fighting the water crisis in his homeland. his non profit created a rain water harvesting system that now provides water to six village, more than 10,000 people in india's driest region.

and from pittsburgh, jim withers. monique pool. in 2005 surround her home into the a sanctuary for sloths in the south american country of syranac. richard joiner has led his rural community in north carolina to better health by helping young people grow and distribute 50,000 pounds of fresh food each er year. magg maggie. today she helped provide a home for about 50 children in nepal and a school for hundreds more. in virginia. after serving in iraq and afghanistan this u.s. marine found healing when he hiekd the appalachian trail. now he supports other combat

veterans as they walk off to war. >> kim carter, cycled in and out of incarceration and homelessness and decided it was time for a change. today she's helping hundreds of women in similar circumstances reclaim their lives. ro chel ripley, determined to keep a promise she made to her native american grandmother. her non profit has delivered an estimated $9 million in aide to the lakota people in south dakota j jody lost her best friend. she's provided assistance to hundreds of single moms battling disease. and a surgeon who treats first and bills later. since 2010 his non profit has provided care to more than 100,000 uninsured or undersured patients to chicago's troubled neighborhoods. >> and here with us this morning

bright and early, anderson cooper. the two of them have been just having quite a moment. we'll interrupt that for now and put it on pause. >> helps sloths. i'm a little obsessed with the sloths. >> then she became inundated with a sloths. >> who doesn't want to be? they are the greatest animals. >> takes a long time though. >> one thing i think all the honorees have in common is they kind of had this a ha moment. >> absolutely. and these aren't people with necessarily access to huge stores of money or power and yet they saw a need and they said you know what? there is something i can actually do about this and maybe they started off really small but they grew it every single day. and that is what's good about this cnn heros is not only the money cnn gives. each charity gets $10,000 and whoever becomes the one for the

year gets more. >> it's someone who you look at them and you say, you know, that could be me if i was a little better person and more motivated. >> it has this inspirational quality. >> without a doubt. i leave december 6th we're airing the all-star tribute to the cnn heros on cnn. and by the end of that not only have i cried a couple of times backstage because i don't want to cry in front of people because i like to push my emotions deep down inside. but i feel like i got to do more. you feel inspired like you actually can make a difference. >> and for all us jaded journalists it is very important for to feel that. >> a lot of us in the field come across these people and maybe they didn't fit into a story but they were just doing something amazing. >> yeah. >> i also just love that cnn -- this was going on way before we came here.

when we first came here we were joking about why we were coming to cnn and what was the draw? and you were certainly at the top of the list. but i love that heros thing they do because it is so unusual for the media to reward virtue. >> before he goes because we know he also has a busy day on tuesday. running off to vegas he's going to be there. >> -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> what are you wearing? >> i don't know. i haven't figured that out yet. >> are you taking suggestions? >> yeah sure. >> i'm saying black turtle neck. strong. >> and because it is -- >> and because it is you you have to roll it up. >> are you excited? what comes over you before you have to do one of these? what are your motivations? >> it is like any big interview. there is a lot of pressure but there is nothing like that presidential debate, this will be my sixth one. and you are on that stage and

the pressure is intense for the candidates. the first time all the democrats will be on the stage together. >> you don't have to wrangle with 17. >> there is not a ton of them. it will be nice to hear and see the dynamics. >> do you think there will be a point you may have to stop don lemon from rushing the stage and are you prepared for that. >> i have other people do that. >> i who luldic to sign up for that job. >> vote now for your favorite hero of the year at cnnheros.com. vote once a day every day for your favorite honoree. if that isn't good i don't know what it is. >> if that's wrong, i don't want to be right. we can't get much better that. we have coop and the heros but guess what? we've got even more coming up. ♪

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but like many who do extraordinary things he's surprised by the attention. >> this is just something of my routine. i was kind of surprised but at the same time i'm also really glad that people know that the teachers in this community are really invested in the community. >> i love it. >> and it worked. four others now do the same thing. >> i know a guy in l.a. that used to do this too. really amazing. hey why don't you do the business here. >> that was so nice. hey, thanks very much for watching "new day." thanks very much for having me. i appreciate it. the newsroom with ab ana cabrera. >> anderson, i hope you get a nap some time today. newsroom starts now. hello on this friday eve. thanks for joining me. item ana cabrera and we begin with a high stakes showdown for house republicans today on