tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 16, 2015 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
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quote, if something is coming, it will extend beyond october 21st, if only someone had a time machine. >> oh my gosh, is this what we're going to see in the future? will we no longer have to bend over and tie our shoes? >> wow, we can be even lazier. thank you for joining us. anderson starts next. good evening. we begin tonight outside boston where republican presidential front runner donald trump is on the campaign trail. trump is holding a rally tonight at an elementary school near the new hampshire state line saying he prefers merry christmas to happy holidays but sparring between trump and jeb bush over the 9/11 attacks. bush took to twitter to defend his brother after trump larked out at him. in an interview that aired earlier today, stephanie rule asked trump if he could ensure the american people in times of crisis like president bush in 9/11 and trump said he has a
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bigger heart than all of them, much more competent and then said this. >> when you talk about george bush, say what you want, the world trade center came down during his time -- >> hold on. you can't blame george bush for that. >> he was president, okay? don't blame him or don't blame him but he was president. the world trade center came down during his reign. >> george bush jeb bush said ho for donald trump to criticize the president for 9/11. we were attacked and my brother kept us safe. jeffrey lord and cnn political analyst and correspondent mag e maggie. some might say this is a political third rail for donald trump invoking 9/11 and president bush during a republican primary but jeb bush brought it up at the republican debate arguing his brother kept the country safe and donald trump touched plenty of what in past years might have been considered political third rails. >> i think that's exactly right.
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there are voters within the republican primary in states like iowa and states like south carolina who remember george w. bush very fondly. for them i think this will be considered an insult and as you say, jeb bush brought this up in the last republican debate and used exactly that language, he kept us safe. i think donald trump is very aware of what may or may not get under jeb bush's skin and i think that is part of the intention in saying this. i think he knows that it will aggravate jeb bush. he has already sort of gotten to him and gotten in his head by saying he's low energy. you saw jeb bush repeat that repeatedly. i think jeb bush is more comfortable talking about his brother and father, he seemed unsure of how he wanted to relate to both of them earlier in this primary and so he may be more comfortable now. i don't think this is a surprise this is coming from donald trump. >> jeffrey, i guess there is two different ways to look at it. this is him talking off the top of his head, you know, not
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something that was prethought out. just happens to be his opinion and he's expressing it because it came up in the interview and came into his head or that there's more calculations here that he feels by linking jeb bush to george w. bush. there is some benefit in that. how do you see it? >> yeah, there is some benefit. there is what i call the regan bush divide, which divides in essence the regan conservatives from the bush sort of moderates and the republican party. when you talk in this fashion and let's -- i'm not talking specifically about 9/11 but there is considerable disagreement within the republican party, the base of the republican party over the bush presidency and they certainly are familiar with the fact president bush 43 left office with a 22% approval rating and was unable to get his successor elected as president regan was able to do. there are considerable differences along that line, so when donald trump sort of touches this nerve, there is a
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positive response to it. the kind of folks that call in to talk radio shows, those would be sort of the regan base as it were. so there is a method here, a method to his madness if you consider it madness, which i don't. >> maggie, was it a mistake for jeb bush to respond to trump? you have this back and forth and, you know, it's getting a lot of pickup, obviously. >> i think that to my point earlier that jeb bush i think is feeling more comfortable talking about his brother, part of it is he accepted he may need his brother to the point jeffrey is talking about about the divide, that is real. voters within the party, within the republican party base that don't like jeb bush, were never going to like jeb bush for many reasons, jeb bush came into the race with very high unfavorables as did donald trump but donald trump is able to change his in certain cases, jeb bush had a much harder time. being a bush is a very mixed bag in the republican primarprimary. there are voters in response to a sense of congressional
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excesses and white house excesses during the bueschsh er. you have not heard somebody talk about the issue of 9/11 used in this way and that remains to be scene how it will play out. jeb bush accepted his last name is bush and particularly evangelicals who are not going to be with donald trump. we seen poll after poll. the rise in ben carson is because of e van g-- e van gel support. >> i wonder if donald trump is going to start to link secretary clinton to former president clinton. president clinton said he could have killed bid laden in 1998 -- >> that's exactly right. >> whether he does it on this issue, bin laden or 9/11 or whether he does it in other ways trying to link hillary clinton to the presidency of president
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bill clinton. >> that is exactly right, anderson. we have just by circumstance the brother of a president running on the republican side and the wife of a president running on the democratic side so i would think very much he will treat secretary clinton and president clinton just as he treated jeb bush and president bush 43 in precisely the same fashion and go after them for whatever mistakes he sees in the clinton era. osama bin laden being one of them. you're absolutely right. >> we'll see. up next, bernie sanders was leading the polls in new hampshire and hillary clinton got a boost since the debate and now essentially tied in the state plus what clinton said about donald trump today. that's next. also new details about a tragic case in upstate new york. a teenager beaten to death at a church. his own parents and four others charged with the crime. a witness alleges the beating lasted more than 14 hours. i'll speak with the former member of the church coming up.
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kind of like ordering wine equals pretending to know wine. pinot noir, which means peanut of the night. we told you last night how bernie sanders raised a lot of money since the debate. hillary clinton has gotten a big boost in new hampshire. a new boston globe poll just out today shows her in a statistical
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dead heat with sanders in new hampshire, 37-35%. just last month, sanders had a 16% point lead over clinton according to a cnn poll. clinton sat down with jake tapper with an interview that included her latest thoughts on donald trump. listen. >> speaking of politics, let's talk about the front runner on the other side of the isle, donald trump, his daughter gave an interview saying her dad is not a politician but really changing the dialogue and really disrupting the process in a very positive way. do you agree? >> first of all, i have a really high regard for her. she's a wonderful young woman. >> and friend of chelseas, i think. >> yes, she is. i think what she said is born out by what's been happening. he has brought his oversized personality and his reality television experience to the highest level of american politics. and seems to be getting a very positive response among a large part of the republican electret.
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so that's up to the republicans. they there to decide if that will be their nominee or not. i have called him out in things he said which i thought were uncalled for, insults and attacks on immigrants, on women and just unacceptable be said about the president. so i'm going to continue to criticize him for going beyond the bounds of what i think is appropriate for anybody running for president. >> joining me now is cnn political commentator paul and also with me again, cnn political analyst and presidential campaign correspondent maggie hab ehrmann. hillary clinton leading bernie sande sanders and trailing in some polls. >> right, that same poll a month ago had her at ten and now she's up two.
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like the old hem said, many danger toils and snares. so i couldn't as a hilary guy wouldn't get too excited but i like seeing her move 12 months in a month in the right direction. looks like she's turned the corner. new hampshire has a rich tradition of neighboring favorite sons, ed from maine won but mike from massachusetts won. paul from massachusetts won. john kerry from massachusetts won. they usually go for a neighboring senator. bernie is from a neighboring state and running a great campaign. i'm really happy to see hillary come back like that but this will come back and forth 50 times. >> you have no doubt about that, polls will go up and down in those states. >> absolutely. independent and smart and had to poll there because the electret is fluid. both parties have pretty
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interesting primaries. it's really going to be tough to get the polling right. >> maggie, you heard clinton in that interview navigating the interesting relationship between her family and donald trump's, their daughters are friends at this point. do trump and clinton benefit from having each other to go after of having the other to portray as beyond the pail or trump portrays her as the worst secretary of state ever and she portrays him and calls him out as she said on various things that he in her opinion goes too far on? >> he's been more useful for her. remember, he did his whole very long kick off campaign speech back in june and he didn't talk about her. it took him until she wanted him until he said anything about her. he would argue that's him being consistent because he says i don't hit people until they hit me. he is however useful because the comments he is making primarily about immigration, the comments and his announcement speech
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where he talked about rapist and criminals, those have been very useful as a foil. she can use that to tar the entire republican field and frankly, a lot of what trump said, much of the rest of the field had to respond to. you have seen this time and time again. you saw it impact scott walker. you seen it impact jeb bush. he's extremely helpful to her. >> paul, the reporting from new york magazine tonight saying that it's really a matter of when vice president gets in, not if. i know you're going to try and bob and weave and quote biblical passage because you have a biblical passage by everything. i'm impressed by this. >> i'm a person of faith. >> i know you are. i know you are. do you have a gut feeling if he's going to run? >> no, here is the thing, honestly because i don't know. i know as a general matter, i speak more loudly and certainly when i'm pristinely ignoranigno.
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i don't doubt he has what it takes to be president. i mean that. i think joe biden would be a great president. who no one knows, even joe is does he have what it takes to run for president? >> here is my question, why wouldn't he run for president? obviously, look, there is the personal loss that he and his family experienced, the worst kind of loss there possibly is but this is what politics do. they run for things and if he doesn't run for this, this is his last really opportunity to run for something. i mean, everybody says he's not a guy that cares about money. i guess he could be on boards and stuff or do some kind of work, but why wouldn't he run? >> because he knows really better than anybody because he's run twice before. he has said this in interviews. this takes your heart, soul, time, attention and you know, his heart is broken. maybe he finds healing in running. i saw him on tv at the labor day in pittsburgh.
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man he looked ra jooejauf nated. so you have no idea. it is true, mo said the only cure for presidential fever is embalming fluid, carver said running for president is like having sex, you don't just do it once and decide you're done. >> not quite the biblical passage i was anticipating. >> not biblical, a little pro b profa profane. >> you'll have to read the bible more tonight to make up for that. >> relatively good week for the clinton campaign. how much of a halt if joe biden jumps in the next couple days? >> i think there is anxiety around hillary clinton supporters what will happen with him because the question is not put to bedme. a lot of people thought the window closed the other night. she had a strong night, no question about that but the question is not, a lot of people
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says there is not a window prior. did the window suddenly shut or is there before and now? her debate performance according to a lot of people i have spoken to around him is not really a factor in how he's considering this and people have said that publicly. i tend to believe it. i think joe biden as paul said wakes up feeling one way one day, another way the next day, he has said different things depending on who he's talking to and at different moments. it's so hard to try to free this decision. i don't think he knows what he's going to do. the reasons not to do it would be he might not win and if you read his book, which is a couple years old now and talks about the various times he was encouraged to run for president and didn't, you know, there's a lot that went into this and back and forth. sometimes he did, sometimes he didn't. >> maggie, thank you. paul begala, as well. if you missed the debate or want to see it again? it will re-air again tonight at
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10:00. coming up, word that former nba and reality tv star lamar odom was conscious enough to say hi to his estranged wife khloe kardashian whose been at his bedside since found unresponsive at a brothel. also, i'll speak to a woman trapped in a car. look at the images when a mudslide hit and just swept the vehicle away, as well as a lot of other vehicles. incredible video and we'll hear from her ahead. ♪
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basketball star and reality tv star lamar odom remains hospitalized but tonight there is word he regained consciousness for some amount of time. it could be a sign of hope. odom has been in the hospital since tuesday when he was found unresponsive after spending several days at a brothel outside las vegas. what have you learned about his condition? >> reporter: anderson, late today we got some good news,
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actually, from a source with knowledge of the situation telling cnn that lamar ocdom is conscious and said hi to khloe kardashian but he's still in guarded condition and to add to that, his mother-in-law kris jenner talking to "access hollywood" with good news saying odom gave a thumbs up to those at his bedside, he's not at a coma. he is still critical however but now off the ventilator she told ""access hollywood."" he has a breathing mask. there is serious damage to his vital organs. it's a wait and see situation and you can bet his fans are watching. on the basketball court, and later on reality tv, lamar odom's highs and lows played out for all to see. often on the defensive about nba drug suspensions and his commitment to the game. >> i never knew i was going to have a hit tv show. i didn't plan it. [ laughter ] >> but my focus to basketball is
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there. >> reporter: so many distractions, so much sadness. in 2060 come lost his infant son to sudden infant debt syndrome and later talked openly about it with espn. >> when he passed, i couldn't really like just leave the hospital. i stayed with him for about three hours and just sat there with him. >> reporter: odom suffered lose before. his mother died of cancer when he was 12. in 2011 on his birthday, he shared this with his twitter followers, november 6th, my born day, i'm 32 years old, god is good. 20 full years without you mommy, i love you. mama, i made it. i hate cancer. on the basketball court, a public display of that loss. his mother's name kathy on one sneaker and on the other, grandma for his grandmother who raised him. lamar's father joe odom was a heroin addict who left his family when lamar was very young. lamar's wife khloe kardashian
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encouraged them to reconcile and they came together on the coup's reality tv show "khloe and lamar". >> reporter: on the show, joe odom asked for money. >> i'm not asking him to be a father. i'm asking hill to act like you are my father. >> reporter: in 2013 after years of rumors about lamar odom's drug use, joe odom told radar online that his son would be better off out the ckardashians. lamar wrote about his dad, his own demons may be the only thing he gave to me. he disrespecting the only family that loved me without expecting anything in return. there were lighter times, too, on "keeping up with the kardashians" odom went public with his fear of the dentist. >> i'm scared. >> he'll literally put you to sleep, you won't have to hear a tool. >> i'll do it. >> and tried learning how to swim. >> hold on, hold on, rob. >> the water pushes you.
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>> it's not pushing me because i always wind upright -- >> keep your legs up though, don't put them down. >> reporter: when odom and khloe kardashian first fell in love, reality tv fans couldn't get enough of it. >> i want to get married now. >> reporter: but the marriage sow soured amid rumors odom was cheating. their separation and pending divorce played out on television. >> i lieed to everyone because i had to lie and say i was with my husband when in fact, my husband was missing with another girl. >> reporter: but ever since lamar odom collapsed at the nevada khloe has been by his side at the hospital. >> what else did he say? how personal did it get? >> reporter: it got really personal, anderson. things that pose people probably would never share with the public, he and khloe talked about fertility issues, job issues when he was signed with the dallas mavericks, whether or
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not they wanted to move to dallas. big decisions shared openly and maybe that put a lot of pressure on him. maybe he couldn't take it. we don't know what happened but all that matters is he's showing small signs of improve the. >> certainly a lot of people pulling for lamar odom. joining me is his former college basketball coach and he's been in touch with khloe kardashian since he's been in the hospital. >> jim, i understand you got encouraging news from khloe kardashian today. what did you learn? >> she reached down and said lamar, i love you and he blinked. that was early in the morning and then this afternoon as they had planned, they were taking some of the things out of him, some of the intensive care he was under and his kidneys were all right, he was off dialysis and awake now. so that's probably the most encouraging news we've had since it all started. >> there's been a lot of
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different reporting about khloe kardashian's role in the recovery. is she making medical decisions for him? >> i don't think -- i'm not sure about that, anderson, but i know she's at his bedside and she promised me that she would stay at that hospital until they walked out together, that was her words. >> i think you spoke to him some two weeks ago. did you see anything like this coming? >> no, not at all. he had just finished working out. he called me and told me he moved to vegas and he was happy and upbeat and he sounded really, really good and i was encouraged because we've talked about everything. and, you know, he's kind of sly on some of the things but boy, he's a wonderful, wonderful young man. we just hope and pray we can get through this. >> i know hopefully he pulls through this. i know you said you want to hug him and kiss him but also smack him upside the head.
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>> i did say that because, you know, it's kind of like what you do with your children. we want him to understand just how serious this is because i know it's not something he really wanted. that's not the way he wants to live his life. he's a great, great young man. he's kind and has great humility and he's just a genuine person. >> how much of what happened do you think has to do with the lamar odom story? i mean, the history that he has lived through, the family history? >> you know, anderson, i'm not quite sure any of us would know when you lose your mother at 12 years old and your father is not around and a series of things of tragedies and death and you just don't know how people will react to things like that. i don't react very well but you don't know how people react to things like that. >> do you think after having had this experience that there are
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people around who can help him move forward? >> well, there are. i know khloe will help him. i'll help him. we have friends and family that love the guy, he can live with me if he wants to, however, he must want to help himself. i've always said if it is to be it's up to me and it's up to lamar. if he wants to be helped and take the right path, then he'll have all the support in the world. >> if it is to be, it's up to me. i like that. jim, thank you so much for talking with us. >> okay. you know, lamar might be one of the most popular guys to ever play in the nba. the outpouring of love for him is unbelievable. >> certainly a lot of people pulling for him tonight and have been for days now. jim, again, thank you so much. >> okay, anderson, thank you. well, just ahead tonight, a witness describes the fatal beating of a teenager inside a
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church that lasted 14 hours and didn't end until lucas leonard was dead. former member of the church is speaking out tonight when we continue. when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. if you struggle you're certainly not alone. fortunately, many have found a different kind of medicine that lowers blood sugar. imagine what it would be like to love your numbers. discover once-daily invokana®. it's the #1 prescribed in the newest class of medicines that work with the kidneys to lower a1c.
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welcome back tonight. there is fatal details on the beating death of lucas leonard. his younger brother was beaten but survived but apparently with serious injuries. this rocked the community in upstate new york. authorities say they was part of a counseling session and the boy's parents, their mom and dad are charged with manslaughter. four other church members are charged with assault. today the judge ruled the case will go to a grand jury at the hearing a witness gave a stomach turning account of what took place inside the church on sunday night and how long it lasted. jason carroll has details. >> reporter: bruce and debra leonard did not testify during the preliminary hearing today. >> charge is manslaughter in the first-degree. >> reporter: instead, they sat and listened to damaging testimony about what allegedly happened in that church counseling session. in the end, their 19-year-old son lucas was dead. their 17-year-old son christopher left in serious
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condition. daniel irwin, a deacon at the word of life christian church told the court he saw bruce leonard strike both of the boys inside the church's sanctuary and said leonard hit his son lucas several times. i heard the sound of a strike, stop, then it started again. irwin told the court he saw lucas was bleeding from his leg, moaning and rolling back and forth on the floor and irwin said he saw leonard strike his younger son christopher five or six times with something that looked like a belt and the beating went on for 14 hours starting around 8:00 sunday night and lasting until 10:00 a.m. the next morning. when asked why the beating finally stopped, it was said because luke was dead and several church members including leonard's brother christopher and his father tried performing cpr but it was too late. >> would you like to elaborate more what happened inside and
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tell us about your experience? >> no, no, i have no comment. >> reporter: outside court irwin would not comment, nothing about the motive for the beating nor about allegations the counseling session was ordered because leonard wanted to leave the church. the leonards are facing manslaughter charges in the death of their son, four others including the boy's stepsister sarah are facing assault charges. all have pled not guilty. police say they have not concluded why the session turned violent, bruce leonard allegedly told investigators his sons may have molested children who belong to the church but police say there is no indication of that whatsoever. they say seven children here from the church were taken into protective custody, interviewed and examined and police say there is no indication any of them were sexual assaulted. >> the deceased and his brother are victims in the crime and i want to put out there, again, there is no evidence that these
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brothers did anything. they are at this point true victims. >> debra leonard's attorney believes his client is also a victim saying debra did not have the physical strength to beat her sons, debra leonard claims she only took part in the beginning but that other church members held the brothers down while the beatings took place. >> i have indicated before and i will continue to indicate that we are looking at other charges and if other people should be charged, we will present that evidence to a grand jury. >> reporter: jason carroll, cnn, new york. >> this case with disturbing details put a spotlight on the word of life christian church. it's a small congregation made up of five families, about 35 members. ch chadwick is a former member. based on your own experience, what was this church like? >> my own experience, it was at times confrontational.
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but it also had another side. i learned a lot of music. i learned a lot about the word of god. i just didn't learn how to live the word of god and that's the key difference. >> but when you talk about confrontational, just in your own experience, i know you didn't see any physical violence back when you were there, but just in terms of what was confromati confrom -- confrontational? >> attitudes. if, for example, if you did something that wasn't necessarily liked by the leadership, you were sometimes embarrassed publicly or shunned in someway. other times you weren't. >> shunned in the sense people weren't allowed to sit with you, people weren't allowed to see you socially? >> at times, yes, yes. there was one particular family that was, i thought, was always
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targeted was bruce and debbie leonard. i know -- again, i know they did a heinous act and a despicable horrible crime and they need to be accountable for that but they also, too, were victims. >> you say over the years, they were targeted by the leadership of the church? >> yes, they were. >> a witness call what had happened to lucas and his brother, called it a counseling session and i know you said you never witnessed physical abuse and it's important to state that but did you ever see a counseling session? >> i found myself on the receiving end of a counseling session. it was, again, never abusive physically. it always focused around the spiritual, the psychological, and emotional abuse of it all. there were times that i was being accused of things that i didn't do.
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and that was one of the reasons why i left. >> do you think the church should get shut down? >> yes, yes, i do. >> because -- >> sadly, yes, i do. it's sad because the community needs a church. every community needs a loving church. and again, we have to be accountable and responsible for our own words and actions. >> based on what you know, were you surprised this happened, this death happened? >> i was appalled. >> appalled is one thing but surprised is another. were you surprised? >> i was more than surprised. i was horrified. i don't know how anybody could beat somebody to death like the way they did just for wanting to leave a church. i don't understand. and i'm very sorry for how negatively this has affected
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their lives. you think you're over something and it comes back, and you want to overcome, you want to forget. but when situations and circumstances and atrocities happen like this, it makes it very difficult. >> chadwick, appreciate you speaking with us tonight. thank you very much. >> thank you. just ahead, rivers of mud turned highways treacherous in southern california. look at this video trapping hundreds of vehicles and i'll talk to a woman that shot this video. she was trapped in her friend's car. >> i think if we get out of the car we would be killed. >> yeah, yeah, we're not getting out of the car. >> i don't know what to do. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm.
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experience. >> reporter: a neighborhood street turned into a raging river a part of one of california's busiest freeways, interstate 5 turned into a muddy lake and the drought stricken fire ravaged southern california hills short but heavy downpours can create mayhem. they were on their way picking up their brother from school when they were broadsided by mud. >> all of a sudden, i look to the left and this entire embankment gave way and it was a freightening feeling of there is several feed of mud coming at me. >> reporter: they ran leaving their truck behind happy they are still around to dig it out the next day. >> if we were 15 feet farther, we're completely covered. you know, there is no chance of getting out of that. >> reporter: the flash floods came so fast and so furious that this little car was nearly
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swallowed whole but we're told by troopers that the driver of the car did manage to get out uninjured. it wasn't just flash floods and sliding mud but hail like folks who have lived here all their lives have never seen before. golfball-sized hail slammed down damaging cars and homes. >> i'm from kentucky so i'm no stranger to bad weather. this is the worst storm i have ever seen in my entire life. i was in a hurricane, a typhoon in japan one time. nothing compared to this. >> reporter: this meteorologists say is just the beginning as the climate cycle of el nino will bring to california. even though the state needs the rain, too much, too soon could be disastrous. >> we'll have a geologist come out to inspect the hillsides and make sure they are stable and safe because of yos bviously wi lot of rain, slides that happen on the first day happen later. >> sarah joins us.
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what's the latest on the ground? >> reporter: look, it sprinkled a bit but we can see dark clouds rolling in and there is a lot of worry because this is really, anderson, the beginning of el nino and effects of el nino on california could be great in someways if the rain is slow and doesn't come down really quickly and heavily, or it could be as we mentioned a real hassle and make a huge mess and create a lot of damage if its fast-moving and a lot of folks worried about that here tonight. >> yeah, sarah, thanks very much. take a look at this video shot by ray in a car on route 58 when she got trapped. >> this car is going to hit us. oh my god! >> we're floating. we're floating! >> can you imagine? we're happy to report ray is safe tonight and joins me by phone. ray, your video is terrifying. take us through what happened. when did you first realize you
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were in trouble? >> well, i think we first realized it, you know, shortly after before the video started and it just got worse and worse and worse and it, you know, it took about six, seven minutes for the whole thing to, you know, come to a stop. it was incredibly fast and furious. >> and your car, it actually started floating at some point, didn't it? >> right, not my car. i was the passenger in the car, and my friend was driving and yeah, it started floating. we floated around. we bumped into several other vehicles and when everything stopped, we were on the bed of a semi truck. >> that's incredible. >> there was another one right by our door and then this --
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after the rain stopped and everything stopped, it was all real quick, you know, everything stopped and then a gentleman came up and he helped us climb out of the window to get out of the vehicle and he stayed with us the whole way through all the mud and muck until we got to high ground so we got to, you know, rescue vehicles and things to where we got to where the sheriff was. >> did -- i mean, did the mud come out of nowhere? it came that fast? >> it just came that fast. >> and how high was it getting on the vehicle you were in? >> it was getting high on our vehicle, but we were more floating than some of the vehicles, you know, we floated more. but we didn't float over the wall. we were afraid people were going to float over the wall and that
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would have been really bad. >> and i mean, obviously, there was no control over the car. you were at the mercy of wherever it took you. >> yeah, we were just floating around like a ball. >> how were you finally able to get out? >> well, everything stopped. you know, after, you know, seven, eight minutes, everything stopped and, you know, we waited awhile and stuff and figured what are we going to do, what do we need to do and stuff and the gentleman tim came up and helped us out of the vehicle and they certainly weren't going nowhere and he stayed with us until we got to high ground. i don't know, i think it was probably about four miles, i'm not sure, three or four miles until we got to the canyon where there were emergency vehicles and things.
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>> how are you doing now? >> doing pretty good. every time i tell the story, i get a little nervous and it all sort of comes back but doing okay. legs are a little sore. didn't get much rest last night. it was pretty, you know, pretty intense. >> i can imagine. thank you for talking with us. i wish you the best. >> have a great day. >> you, too, you deserve it. >> thank you. >> she certainly does. a huge scaffolding collapse leaving rescue works to serarch through a pile, when we continue. yep, greatness deserves recognition. you got any trophies, cowboy? ♪ whoomp there it is uh, yeah... well, uh, well there's this one. best insurance mobile app?
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scaffolding collapse in downtown houston. their injuries are not life threatening. palestinian groups call this a day of rage and lived up to its nape. an arson attack at a holy sight and tight security. the u.s. government knew about the doctors without borders hospital in afghanistan before it was targeted earlier this month. it's unclear why the information was not passed on to u.s. forces on front lines. 12 medical staff members were killed in the attack and at least ten patients. and due to an illinois state budget inpass, lottery officials say all winners of jackpots topping $600 will get ious. state budget expired back in ne, whenever a new one is passed, lotto winners will get winnings and anderson, let's get this very straight. illinois is still allowing you to go to stores, purchase as many tickets as you want, spend as much as you want, but if you win, you're not going to get any
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money for right now. >> wow, how long will the ious sit around? >> i don't know but a lot of people don't trust state government and a lot of people are going to indiana, wisconsin to get lottery tickets. >> thanks very much. that does it for us. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts right now. >> donald trump on the campaign trail tonight speaking out as only he can. >> when i win, when i win, when i win we are going to make america great again, better than ever before. >> this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon and that's not all. listen to donald trump on bloomberg tv. >> when you talk about george bush, say what you want, the world trade center came down during his time. >> jeb bush
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