just incredible. >> we'll see what happens. >> that's it for us. we'll see you back here at 10:00 eastern for an hour of "cnn newsroom." don't go anywhere, "smer cone issue" starts right now. >> i'm michael smerconish, glad you're here to recap an unbelievable week. the doc ahead of the donald in iowa. in colorado, doc has pulled out over trump on tax revenues. and with benghazi seemingly in hillary's rear view mirror, her campaign is about to unleash the big dog. bill going back out on the campaign trail. and nobody knows his impact like joe klein who wrote "primary colors" and he'll join us. but first, even though no american will cast a presidential vote in the next 100 days, a lot of candidates

out, rick perry, out. scott walker, out. and jeb bush just slashed his politic political staff. and mitch mcconnell is requesting they spend more time on his election next year. and donald trump said paul didn't deserve to be on the stage. so i asked rand paul for that. >> i was at the reagan library for that first gop debate. i thought it was absolutely bizarre that the opening question is whether donald trump is fit to handle the nuclear codes. question goes to carly fiorina, she responded. and he begins talking about you. >> first of all, rand paul should never be on the stage. he's number 11, how he got up here anyway. as far as temperament. i never attacked him on his

look, and believe me, there's plenty of subject matter right there. >> why is he obsessed with you? >> i think he was somewhat goaded into it. for about a week before that debate, people kept asking me what are you going to say. and i kept saying i guess i was easy on donald trump, i guess i'll be harder next time. i think he thinks there will be a get-up or dust-up right here. he's sort of the king of the one-line insult. i just don't think vulgarity equates with insight. eventually, he will be asked the question who do you want to be charged with the nuclear codes? because temperament is important. who do you want to be able to negotiate with putin? who do you want to be able to negotiate with all the world leaders? someone who is sane with the world view or just give me power because i'm all-knowing i just

have so much power because i can fix things because i'm winning that that notion is not what what we stand for some america. we always wanted to limit the amount of power of the an arch because we were concerned about that. >> ben carson says out of the box things and seems to get rewarded for them. he leads the register poll in iowa. >> i think it's good news that we have rotation among leadership in the polls and it isn't so mon 0 monolithic. you'll have five or six people within striking range of leading. jim weber is out, scott walker is, lincoln chafee is now out. some people talk about rand paul getting out. i know you don't like that. we're a long way from anybody casting a ballot. give my a general take on that

you get out? >> i'm all for letting people get out. we're not getting out until someone votes. we think our fortunes are improving. we think the government shouldn't collect your phone records. we think the government should put you in jail for marijuana. and we think the government shouldn't send you back to war in iraq. i think there are enough republicans attracted to it. >> is it true that mitch mcconnell is saying to you, you ought to focus on the senate and not on the white house? >> i think that's a completely false story. i don't think he's even been asked that directly. people report these stories because they have a conclusion and a narrative. and they write it trying to get what they want, but it's not the truth. >> okay. where's dad. i always admired your father? i haven't seen him on the stump. where is he? >> i'm a great admirer of my

dad. i think he's one of the greatest to ever serve in office. the race has to be those about those running. jeb's dad isn't going to be out there too much, i don't think his brother is. it doesn't mean he doesn't have a great respect for him. and so do i. >> senator rand paul just published a book it's called "our presidents and their prayers: proclamation of faith by america's leaders." >> we often talk about the separation of church and state. we haven't talked about our faith, a big part of our nation's founding. and talking about philosophy and beliefs on how government should be run. >> do you think they're telling the truth? i ask that question, senator, because pew research came out this past spring saying 22% of americans are now nuns. why is it not one single member of congress, 535, house and

senate, who say i'm in that camp? >> i think what you find even among the president from the beginning to now, you find some of them weren't as you as orange box. they did believe in something that is really important, that people should have virtue. that the people should have self-restraint and important civilizing force to not just say, oh, well, you have your liberty, do whatever you want. we also have this underlying virtue that gives stability and sense of purpose to a country. >> senator rand paul, thanks so much for being in the studio. >> thank you. >> so you heard rand paul say this, he's not getting out before people vote. hear on that, michelle bernard, columnist matt lewis and bob beckel. he managed walter mondale's presidential campaign and has a brand-new book out. "i should be dead, my life

survived politics, tv and addition." you heard what rand paul said, matt lewis, i'm not getting out before people vote? >> well, we've seen the polls that we've with donald trump at or near the top, that that's the new normal. things really change when we go into iowa. i would not be surprised if we're not surprised. somebody that's fifth place now could end up winning iowa. >> as you know, we register the poll that carson is ahead of the lead of trump. donald trump had an interesting reaction to it. let's all watch. >> we have a breaking story. donald trump has fallen to second place behind ben carson. we informed ben, but he was sleeping. >> bob beckel, it worked with

regard to jeb bush. is that going to work with regard to ben carson? >> no. and it's funny about trump, trump will talk ago the polls. that's his justification for why he's the main man in the republican party. because he's always had the polls. he falls behind in a couple of good polls, all of a sudden, he's got to turn it into a negative attack on carson. i'll tell you one thing, he's very lucky, that the hearings were taking place on thursday. that tweet he sent out about bob sanfield in iowa and the poll was just outrageous. >> i'm going to show it. michelle bernard, take a look at this. this is the retweet from the donald where he says too much monsanto in the corn creates issues in the brain. then he quickly throws an intern under the bus when he realizes he's made a mistake. the young intern who accidentally did a retweet

michelle, a huge mistake in iowa, right? >> it a huge mistake, when it comes to social media and politics, 2016 presidential politics. big mistakes for donald trump. if i were, with regard to i, was i would tell him there's no surprise that ben carson is doing as well as he is in iowa with republican caucusgoers. he's deeply evangelical. he's quiet, he's soft-spoken. he's spoken to iowa the way the other candidates have not been able to do so. most importantly, if you're one of the other people running behind whether carson, iowa, you have to remember iowa caucusgoers also picked rick santorum and mike huckabee. >> i want to show you a montage of so-called gaffes of

dr. carson. vie an observation i'll show after we roll these 30 seconds. >> you know, obamacare is really, i think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight and when they come out they're gay. i think the likelihood of hitler being able to about accomplishing his goals would be diminished if the people were not armed. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. >> matt lewis, ben carson could pay for that commercial, roll it in iowa and help him win the caucus. and hillary could run it in the general election and it would cost ben carson the general election. your thoughts? >> i'm writing a book about who dumb to fail. but that's actually in the long

run in the general election death. that is the fundamental problem right now that conservatives and republicans have. in order to win the primary, it helps to say things that will maybe cause him the general election. >> you react as well. >> listen, that -- those kind of comments, that's not just going to win your general election. it's good answer. it's getting into nevada, states that follow that kind of stuff crazy. one of the things about carson, yes, he's soft-spoken and yes, he's evangelical. and they do vote in those caucuses. by the way, i look at the polls on trump in the cross hairs, and a lot of those people don't go to caucuses. but carson, what he says now may be a good iowa ground game, but for even republican, it's not that strong. >> michelle, i want you to hear a snippet from ben johnson's

radio show where ben carson said something else that is controversial, listen. >> you think biden? >> yes. >> why do you think he can beat hillary for the nomination? >> because hillary could well be in jail and it's hard to run from there. >> michele bernard, you're an independent, you're the exact type of voter that i talk about when i say this is lethal in a general election. but i'm speaking for you. go ahead sanhaeahead and react. >> most are going to think about a candidate on an issue by issue basis. what i find frightening about ben carson there's a bloomberg/des moines poll, what ben carson said about hillary clinton and slavery. iowa 88% agree with him.

that's wonderful for him at the primary level. but i think it's also a way of handing the election over to hillary clinton, simply because americans are going to hear those kind of statements. independents in particular are sitting at home and they're saying is this really who i want to be the next leader of what's supposed to be the greatest nation on earth. >> matt, i keep expecting a billowing of the so-called maverick field of carson and then jeb financially is struggling, got a lot of money in the back but cut 40% of his campaign staff. is he going to be around long enough to be the beneficiary if the mavericks start to drop? >> well compared to the democrats, joe biden, jim webb, lincoln chafee, they're going to clear the path for hillary.

other fox news shows, whatever, a column somewhere, so they have an incentive to stay in the race. jeb bush, was a man as churchill said, had a great future behind him. i don't think he's a candidate for the republican party today. >> here's what jeb bush is saying, he sat down with pat robertson. beckel, react to what he said. >> this means lean and mean and means vie the ability to adapt. the circumstances when we started the election were different. i have not met a person that thought donald trump would be the front running candidate at this point. god bless him for success in that regard. we'll see how how long it lasts. >> the most telling thing for me, if you're running as a republican, you still have to sit down with pat robertson it

you're seeking presidency. >> the word adapt, he's decided to concentrate his fire power in new hampshire which makes sense. he needs to come out of new hampshire at least long enough to compete in florida. my theory about this is, fiorina is already starting to fall. we don't have to worry about talking about the good doctor. he's not going to be the republican nominee, nor is donald trump. who between marco rubio and jeb bush wins florida. i think whoever does that is probably a very strong front-runner. >> well i know that you, bob, are looking at a potential rubio/kasich ticket. for me, i think it's kasich/rubio. as to which gets top billing. do you think beckel is wrong for the gop? >> well, i don't think john kasich can win a republican

primary. i do think marco rubio would win, who knows where he would go to for a running mate. >> can i just add, i really think we make a mistake by counting carly fiorina out. 2012 was the year of the republican women. if you look at iowa, you look at south carolina, all over the country, republican voters liked republican female candidates in 2012. people who were quote/unquote true to the republican message. who were true conservatives. and i think carly fiorina should not be counted out. >> but, michelle, what happened to her this week? she just took a hit in all of the surveys, what comes for it? >> well, i think what we see with her is a bump that every time there is a debate. i think the longer we get to see her in the public, debating all of the men that she's running against, the higher her numbers will keep going. >> she was really hurt by not

having another debate. there's a month since another debate, if there had been a week later, she would have been -- >> the problem is, when you do really well in a debate like she presumably did, you usually sustain that momentum going into the following week. in this case, she has fallen off dramatically. has anybody seen or heard from her in the last week? >> i will tell you the mistake people make, particularly with female candidates when you write them off, and underestimate them. that's what the entire party has done with carly fiorina. i'm not saying she's the republican nominee. but i think we have not seen the last of her. and i would not be surprised if towards the end of the primary season, we're seriously talking about hillary clinton and carly fiorina running against each other. >> hey, gang, i want to give beckel props. a couple weeks ago. you were here i asked you about

biden. one word question, bob beckel, does vice president bide gent into this thing? >> no. >> if the speech he wrote in the road garden, if you replace it with i'm a candidate of the president of the united states, it's remarkable to study that document. quick reaction from you before we go? >> i'm glad he did what he did. if hillary didn't get into trouble with the irs, he could get into this race anyway. the republicans will turn possibly to biden. >> thank yous f for being here. coming up a new gallup poll says 6 in 10 americans favor the legalization of marijuana. discover card

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money, according to a new study from the american medical association, pot use in this country has doubled in the last decade. and for states where recreational use has been legalized, it's been quite a revenue high. last year, the state of colorado collected almost $72 million in marijuana taxes. nearly double what it got from alcohol taxes. this year, it will be $100 million in revenue on $1 billion in sales. and yet when legalization was first suggested, governor john hickenlooper was strongly against it. how about now, governor hickenlooper joins me from denver. governor, you've called this the greatest social compamplt of the 21st century. how's it working out? >> well, i think we've made a lot of progress. and i should point out that we caught and measured the sales tax from pot, that's where about 70% of that sales tax, the tax revenue is from sales tax. so it's really not even close to what we collect from alcohol. i think the experiment is a

great experiment, we've made a lot of progress. a long way to go. >> i'd quote data from the american medical association, but i think your findings relative to adult use in colorado is that pot consumption is really not up. it's that people who are smoking are smoking and doing it legally, is that fair to say? >> right. i think that -- i've hud it all, having a high old time in colorado, it's my way or the highway. we've heard all of that. the truth is the people who weren't smoking pot still aren't. and the folks that were, still are and but now they're paying taxing. >> what about high school students? >> that's been my biggest concern. the high marijuana, every brain scientist that we've talked to is convinced that this is -- if even infrequent smoking, if your brain is still growing rapidly,

like when you're a teenager, it has very high probability to permanently remove a sliver of your long-term memory. diminish your long-term memory every time by the time you smoke. i think that's very disconcerting for us. kids are -- there's no big spike yet, but there is a clear increase on a number of kids when asked the question, do you expect you'll smoke pot again in the next year. that number seems to be going up. >> you know the gateway debate plays itself out when talking about the legalization of marijuana. is it a gateway to legal and worse things. where do you come down in that? >> well, i try to avoid getting to the debate because there's not much data to argue successfully one way or the other. what we have done, to say, all right, this tax revenue that we're getting, we're not putting it into anything else, roads or early childhood education.

we're focusing on making sure we have enough money to regulate. to make sure our roads are safe. also to make sure if we have a program, that if kids have an inclination of bipolar disorder, we have programs that can help them get back on track. i think that's a big part of how this experiment is working. do we have sufficient revenues to make sure we can handle all of the unintended consequences. >> what has been the most unexpected finding from this so-called experiment thus far. what caught governor hickenlooper by surprise? >> i think the biggest surprise wasn't that there wasn't a big spike in usage. you know, people who were smoking it, still are. the people who didn't smoke it before, still don't. i think that says that, you know, when you're young, it seems kind of exciting to, you know, get stupid. i don't know how else to say it. but as you get older, the attraction is as long, i think

it's more infrequent for most people. it is a recreational, occasional indulgence that they do. >> do you see this going the way of casino gambling in so far as other governors take a look at your revenue stream, and they say, well, we want that as well. and then when it's legal anywhere, it dissipates the impact it has on your state? >> well, i don't think we're seeing a whole lot of tourism marijuana, tourists coming here just to use marijuana. i don't think whether other states take it up or not will make that much of a difference. i will say, we do see which tourists come here, they are smoking marijuana more than other people. because they're obviously on vacation and indulging themselves. i tell the other governor, right now, we're not making any extra revenue from this right? in terms of spending the money to regulate the industry, making sure we have money for the appropriate programs.

and then money to educate kids. we need to make sure kids and their parents understand this high thc marijuana is permanently diminish your long-term memory. we still have spent millions and millions of dollars and we still haven't gotten everyone to realize, you're taking some serious risks, certainly as a teenager where your brain is going rapidly. >> so what i'm hearing from you, the bottom line is the jury's still out? you're still not sure whether it was a good move? >> well, i think we've got another year or two, two or three years to really be able to get enough facts to say for sure that we can do this. we have made a lot of progress. i said a couple times if i could -- after the election if i could have reversed it, i would have reversed it immediately. now, if i had the power to reverse that vote, i'd wait a year or two. we've still got issues with animals, how well we regulate

them, so that everybody knows that this candy or this fruit bar -- relates -- >> brownie -- >> with thc. >> brownie, exactly. all of those things that we got to make sure we get that stuff clearly depicted. if we get rid of the black market, right? drug dealers don't care who they sell pot to. seven years ago, anywhere, any teenager could buy marijuana anywhere and it was cheap. if you dry out the marijuana black market it makes kids less likely to get pot. >> you're making my stage manager awfully hungry. thank you, governor. do you want your state to follow colorado, tweet me @smerconish. still to come, how did she do? perhaps the best barometers of hillary's appearance of the benghazi is that fox stopped its live coverage before it ended and all matt drudge could say

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it was supposed to be a game-changer. hillary's downfall said some. the hearing investigating her actions as secretary of state during the deadly attack on the u.s. embassy in benghazi. the gop and fox news they've been salivating with anticipation. well, during 11 grueling, sometimes meandering hours, fox news actually stopped covering the proceeds. all of the conservative matt dredge could find to attack was hillary having a coughing fit. "rolling stone" says republicans practically carried hillary clinton up and carried her to the white house. was benghazi a game-changer in the opposite direction that opponent has hope. joining me now lanny davis,

joseph degenoa, former attorney for washington, d.c. welcome, gentlemen. joe, you go first. do you agree with the pundit crass that it was a net gain for hillary clinton? >> yes, in the short term, it will be a gain for her, but i predict it will not wear well over the long haul for a number of reasons. one point that the committee did not make which it should have, during her year as secretary of state, the day chris stevens was killed the secure was at nine. and also during the hearing something important that got missed, she said that the sidney bloomenthal visits were personal. and that's why they were not turned over. and finally something over the long haul that will not wear well. she said she was no under no obligation under the 1999 seca

law. information, that statement is false, the law is very required. she is required. in addition, the ard, the accountability review board, when she praises, said there was a waiver signed under that law, but it it didn't say by whom it was signed. that will be the next stage to look into it. for the moment, she has a temporary but yet fleeting victory. >> joe, i sent out a tweet watching all of this. i said it's interesting, sometimes, the gop likes to trash trial lawyers. they really needed one because there seemed like no cogent consistent theme to the questioning. i just think they scored no points. respond to that. >> i agree with you 100%. this is just like the rest of congressional hearings conducted by republicans over the last several years. there has been incompetence -- there's been a wash in

incompetence. some of the questioning was suburb by gowdy and by and large, no one knew in fact when the secretary said that benghazi was not covered by the seca act that she had to determine that low security was okay, not a single member knew that answer was false. >> enjoy it in the long run -- >> i'm sorry, i love joe -- >> i love him too. let's get married. >> there's only one american in america that will say that. in november 2016, a voter is going to say, you know, she lied about the seca act. the what? let's at least look at the big picture. this was supposed to be another investigation about this terrible tragedy. why did it happen? who is at fault? and most importantly, how do we

prevent it from happening in the future? this is what this extra investigation and this special committee was supposed to be about. i was on last night, on this cnn great network with mike rodgers who chaired the republican mike rodgers, now retired. the big house intelligence committee report which thoroughly examined all of the questions about benghazi. was critical of secretary clinton, as was the arb, about not having institutional capabilities of taking the request for more security and effectively implementing them. she accepted the words systemic failure in that report by ambassador picker rene and admiral mullen was published because she committed to publishing it. and mike mullen said, absolutely, she should be criticized on that. but on everything else, mike mullen said there was no standdown order that the state department failed to appreciate. and most importantly no

exploitation or politicization of those talking points. it had nothing to do with what happened with benghazi and how do we prevent it in the future. that's the big victory. >> lanny, i want to show you and joe and everybody what congressman jordan said on another score. and that was an e-mail sent to chelsea clinton. let's roll that. >> you're looking at an e-mail you sent to your family. here's what you said, at 11:00 that night, approximately one hour you told the american people. you said to your family, two officers were killed today in benghazi by an al qaeda-like group. can you tell the american people one thing and you tell your family an entire different story. >> so, lanny, she's telling her family, she's telling the egyptian prime minister one thing. and the one thing is it's terror-related but telling the public and ambassador rice something else, and the reason is because we're within 50, 55 days of the campaign where the democrats have said we've got al

qaeda on the run. the obama administration running for re-election, cannot afford the american people to see, no, you don't have al qaeda on the run, they're very active. and they just killed ambassador stevens and it all fits, no? >> no. let me quote the republican intelligence committee. there were multiple times about when that happen the cia wrote the sentence, croat the sentence spontaneous protest triggered. congressman jordan never said the cia. there are others who believe, including secretary clinton that there might have also been terrorist elements at the time she wrote the e-mail. and i haven't talked to her. that's my theory. what the cia says and what the republican intelligence says, multiple theories sorted out over a period of time. no political narrative by the cia. no political narrative by a republican chairman of the intel committee.

there was confusion. there was the thought of war. and ultimately, everybody knew it was not about a spontaneous demonstration. but it was about a terrorist attack, but that took a period of time. >> joe, didn't i just lay it out in 20 seconds more clearly than what republicans were able to do in 11 hours? >> yes, absolutely. that was part of their problem. they have a problem messaging. it's a blessing to the democrats and certainly a gift to hillary clinton. one thing that is amazing to the investigations it wasn't until trey gowdy came along that the people knew that hillary clinton only had had everything done on a private server lodged in her house. what was another interesting piece of information yesterday, she said when her lawyers went to visit the state department, they did not tell the people at the state department that her e-mail was on a private server. and that's because, she didn't tell her lawyers that. it's a very interesting set of circumstances which is going to plant a way out in the fbi investigation of the server.

and whether or not espionage logs were violated in the mishandling of classified information. i think over the long haul, these hearings will have serveuseful purpose. but all in all, i would say she's the winner in yesterday but it's going to be a short victory. >> lanny davis, joe dejena thanks for being here. coming up with hillary clinton on a roll, some people think it's safe to unleash the big dog? i'll ask political analyst joe klein. but demand for our cocktail bitters was huge. i could feel our deadlines racing towards us. we didn't need a loan. we needed short-term funding. fast. our amex helped us fill the orders. just like that. you can't predict it, but you can be ready. another step on the journey. will you be ready when growth presents itself.

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now, he comes out earlier than we expected to see him. do you think now they feel like the water is safe, and we can put him out without any repercussions? >> i think they should put him back away until later. i think they made a miscalculation that they might need him after the last week or so. but they don't need him because she was so entirely spectacular yesterday. it occurs to me that something that bill clinton used to discuss when he was running for office was the concept of responsibilities. "charlie mike" is a book all about responsibility. >> i think that we have a very quiet crisis in this country. about citizenship. citizenship is not just a passive thing. it involves responsible action. it involves getting involved. you know, we're dominated in this cycle by role information voters. the guys i write about in "charlie mike," are the exact opposite. they volunteered for the military. and 90% of our veterans say they

want to continue to serve when they come home. "charlie mike" is a book about two heroes who are linked by an awful tragedy, who come home, start public service organizations, that have become fabulously successful. they are representatives of the citizenship that the rest of us really need. >> the beauty of those that you write about in "charlie mike" i think is the organic nature of what they do. the book opens with a guy who is on his sofa, i think, in california. and he's watching a hurricane, handy decides i've got to get involved in this. >> actually, his name is jake wood. he played tackle for the university of michigan. was a marine grunt. and he's going to kill me -- university of wisconsin -- sorry, jake -- and he's watching the haiti earthquake. cnn. and he calls up a bunch of his friends, says, let's go down there and help. and within four days, they're running the largest emergency room in the biggest hospital in

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