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behind marco rubio and ted cruz, and get this, he's 24 points behind the front-runner, dr. ben carson. let's get right to our senior washington correspondent, joe johns. joe, what do we know about this jeb bush family and donor meeting that's under way right now? >> reporter: well, wolf, we do know these were regularly scheduled meetings, first over the weekend with bush 41, his wife, barbara, the parents, also donors there. big-money donors, in fact, an attempt to reassure them that all is well with the jeb bush campai campaign, even though he's seen some tough sledding over the last days and weeks. again, meetings today in houston, this time with bush 43, george w. bush, and more donors. of course, we do know the one thing jeb bush certainly has in its favor is the fact that he comes from a very well-established political family here in the united states. and we also know as they are promoting the fact that sometimes in politics at this

stage in a presidential campaign, the first can very well be last when the primaries come around, wolf. >> we do know he seemed to show some frustration with what's going on in this race right now. listen to this. >> if this election is about how we're going to fight to get nothing done, then i don't want any part of it. i've got a lot of really cool things that i could do other than sit around being miserable, listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize them. that is a joke. elect trump, if you want that. >> to some, it suggested that he was ready to maybe throw in the towel if things get uglier and uglier all the time. how's he responding to some of the criticism that's come up in the aftermath of that comment? >> reporter: well, trump continues to suggest that since he got into the race, it's caused very big problems for jeb bush, and he's also said more

than once over the last few days that his entry into the race has essentially caused huge problems, and the recent staff moves suggest that if jeb bush can't run his own campaign, how should voters expect him to run the country? let's listen to some more of what trump has said about jeb bush. >> so, he's meeting now with mom and dad. no, it's true. he needs counsel. and he was very angry over the week. he said, you know, if this is going to be this nasty, let them have trump as their president! it's going to be nasty. hey, putin is a nastier guy than me. >> reporter: trump, of course, has his own problems right now, trailing ben carson in the polls in iowa. here at this event in atkinson, new hampshire, he did take the

opportunity to point out the polls that show him doing very well and to really de-emphasize the polls that suggest he's trailing in iowa, wolf. >> yeah, he's number two in iowa right now, three polls that have come out in the past few days, although he's still number one in all the national polls and number one in the other states as well. so, we'll keep it into some perspective, joe johns. thank you. let's take a closer look at what's going on. join us, cnn political commentator, the democratic strategist, hilary rosen, and our cnn political commentator, essi cup. essi, what's going on in the jeb bush campaign right now? because that comment we just heard him saying, you know what, if we're going to be demonizing, you know, go ahead, elect trump, if that's what you want. that sounded as if he was getting so frustrated. >> i think he is frustrated. he has admitted, no one could have predicted how influential donald trump was going to be for how long in this presidential election. everyone is recalibrating. and when you're not self-funding, like trump is, you have to be responsible with your

donors' money. so, it's really no surprise that jeb bush is sort of taking a look at where the organization currently stands and having some tough but useful conversations about how to move forward. and i think his message is clear -- he does not want his campaign and his candidacy to continue to be defined by trump and having to defend or reject everything that comes out of his mouth. he wants to talk about issues. >> yeah, and -- >> he's brought that on himself in a way, because he is letting his campaign be defined by donald trump. and it's a little -- you know what, i think donald trump's kind of right here, it's p petulant of jeb bush to be saying that the problem he's having in this campaign is all about donald trump. >> says donald trump is right. >> he's got to have some message. and i think part of his frustration is that he doesn't have a particularly compelling message that is exciting

republican primary voters. i don't think that's entirely donald trump's fault. >> trump makes a fair point, if you can't deal with me, how are you going to deal with putin? >> i mean, it's a great sort of retor rhetorical jab which trump is great at, but i think more americans will feel more comfortable with jeb bush sitting across from putin than donald trump. >> i don't know if the american people -- >> if we asked that one question nationally? >> if we ask who's better at handling foreign policy, our poll shows trump is better than the other republicans. >> i think people can say that casually, but if they really are thinking about those hard moments in a very dangerous world, i mean, trump is pretty undisciplined. i'm not sure people would really -- >> not everything is going trump's way right now, especially in iowa. three polls within a matter of days now showing dr. ben carson significantly ahead, double digits in this latest poll. you'll see it right there, 32% trump, 18% cruz and rubio at 10%. jeb bush, look at this, 8% in

iowa. here's how trump reacted to dr. carson's lead. listen to this. >> i'm presbyterian! boy, that's down the middle of the road, folks, in all fairness. i mean, seventh day adventus i don't know about, i just don't know about. >> all right, so ben carson is seventh day adventus. he says he doesn't know about it, but he's brought that out. what do you make of that? >> i think plenty of people in iowa know what a seventh day and ventist is, and i think we've seen ben carson consolidate the religious conservative vote, which is very strong in iowa for a republican primary. it's carried that state in the last several republican nominating contests with rick santorum and mike huckabee, and you know, ben carson could collect it, too. in some respects, trump would do better to keep his mouth shut about other people's religions and focus more on his message.

but you know, clearly, those religious conservatives are going to matter less in new hampshire, they're going to matter less in south carolina, they're going to matter less in nevada, so -- >> but they do matter a lot in iowa right now. >> in iowa. >> they do. and to her point, seventh day adventist, 18 million people around the world. this isn't a couple of guys in a church basement somewhere. it's actually something that, especially iowa vevangelicals ae very familiar with. it's protestant. it's a branch of protestantism. and like every other religion of that size, there's a spectrum, fundamentalists, adventists might disagree scripturally with other evangelicals, but progressive adventists will not. it makes absolutely no political sense for donald trump to try and scare iowa voters about ben carson's religion when that's probably one of the main reasons they are liking him so much. >> and remember, donald trump said, he says i just don't know about it.

>> well, then don't talk about it, maybe. >> that's deserving. dr. ben carson is now ahead in iowa, number two in most of the other polls in some of the other states as well. he had this exchange on "meet the press" yesterday with chuck todd. listen to this. >> what if somebody has an unwanted pregnancy? should they have the right to terminate it? >> no. think about this. during slavery -- and i know that's one of those words you're not supposed to say, but i'm saying it -- during slavery, a lot of the slave owners thought that they had the right to do whatever they wanted to that slave, anything that they chose to do. and you know, what if the abolitionists had said, you know, i don't believe in slavery, i think it's wrong, but you guys do whatever you want to do. where would we be? >> let's talk about this for a moment, because dr. carson says no exceptions as far as abortion

is concerned -- rape, incest, no exceptions. he says this is still murdering the baby. >> you know, dr. carson has been on the way extreme on this issue. he also said, which we didn't play in this interview, that women view their unborn child as the enemy, if they choose to terminate a pregnancy, which is completely offensive to women who are making an extremely difficult choice. you know, look, i think he ultimately is too extreme for this country. and you know, but this is a change election for republicans. that's -- you know, we've experienced change elections on the democratic side. this is a change election for republicans. they're grasping at straws, looking for the most change candidate. i think that's why you're seeing carson way out there, that's why you're seeing trump out there. question is, is there going to be somebody else who comes in with a sort of a more mainstream view that actually can get a majority of americans' support? >> quickly, go ahead. >> well, i mean, if you're pro-life -- i'm pro-life -- if

you're pro-life, that message actually probably appeals. and so, that's why he's doing well among republicans. it is not -- that particular point is not representative of the mainstream, so i'm not sure in a general how well that would do. >> thank you very much. we're following breaking news out of south asia right now, where scenes of panic and destruction are beginning to emerge from the rubble of a massive earthquake. the 7.5-magnitude quake struck northern afghanistan near the border with pakistan but was so intense, it could be felt as far away as india and china. at least 180 people have been killed, including 12 afghan girls who died in a stampede trying to escape their school. it's still not clear how much the death toll could climb. since the quake took down communication in so many places. journalist catherine james is joining us live from kabul with the latest on the damage. catherine, what are you seeing there? what are you hearing? >> reporter: hi, wolf.

yes, today was a scene of panic, even in kabul, where we felt the quake. for myself, i was in a three-story building. and initially, the jolts here aren't that uncommon. you feel them from time to time, but this one is definitely probably one of the biggest in recent decades that was felt here. and in this situation, we started calmly walking, and as the quake continued, probably at about the 30-second mark, a few people did start to panic. and even one person yelled "run!" and there was at least 15 people trying to get through one door. and once we got out into the street, i saw at least three women break down in tears and another woman faint. and i think it comes off the back of quite an intense few weeks here in afghanistan and these kinds of things just add to that pressure that is felt here. there's also going to be, for

the regions that have been affected, they have already had some quite extensive security issues, and this will just further compound that problem. >> it certainly will. that death toll almost certainly will rise. this is a very remote area, so communication, as i said, is very difficult right now. what are they bracing for in kabul? >> reporter: in terms of numbers of casualties, it's really not clear. it's nighttime at the moment, so any kind of rescue efforts are completely hindered by that. the remote areas are very difficult to access. and keep in mind, also, it's a very mountainous region, so there's been landslides, there's risk of further landslides, and just earlier this month we saw one of the provinces that has been affected, kunduz, had about a two-week battle for its provincial capital and the regions next to it have been affected. and the northeast is one of the

most food-insecure provinces. and the world food program had already been talking about its difficulties in getting even the basic necessities to people in those areas. and this is likely to further compound and also, perhaps, increase the number of displaced in the region. >> catherine james in kabul for us, horrific story that we're watching, and presumably, those numbers will go up. thanks very much for that. we'll stay on top of that breaking news. also coming up, the former british prime minister, tony blair, now apologizing for the "mistakes" of the iraq war. plus, "the new york times" reporting that a russian spyship is operating dangerously close to undersea cables that carry nearly all global internet communications. we have the details, the possible russian plans, much more coming up.

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tony blair, was one of the strongest u.s. allies in the iraq war, and now he's apologizing for the bad intelligence that led to the 2003 invasion, saying the decisions, the mistakes that were made back then ultimately played a role in the rise of isis and other extremist terrorist groups. an exclusive interview with cnn's fareed zakaria, blair also said removing saddam hussein from power was still the right thing to do. >> given, however, that saddam hussein did not prove to have weapons of mass destruction, was the decision to enter iraq and topple his regime a mistake? >> you know, whenever i'm asked this, i can say that i apologize for the fact that the intelligence we received was wrong, because even though he had used chemical weapons extensively against his own people, against others, the program in the form that we thought it was did not exist in the way that we thought. so, i can apologize for that.

i can also apologize, by the way, for some of the mistakes in planning, and certainly, our mistaken in our understanding of what would happen once you remove the regime. but i find it hard to apologize for removing saddam. i think even from today in 2015, it is better that he's not there than that he is there. >> fareed's joining us now live from new york. sort of a qualified apology from tony blair, saying, yes, there were no weapons of mass destruction, the intelligence was bad, but getting rid of saddam hussein was still the right thing to do, even though saddam hussein, as you and i know and everyone knows, had also nothing to do with 9/11. >> that's right. this was something that happened in the wake of 9/11, could never have happened without 9/11, because it gave the bush administration the kind of license to do it, and the public was willing to accept something like this. and yet, you know, there is some

truth to what blair says in this sense. i've been thinking about it in doing this documentary, wolf. as you know, 60% or so of iraq is shiite. they were horribly persecuted by saddam hussein. about 20% are kurds, and they were horribly persecuted by saddam hussein. so, probably from the point of view of the iraqi people, an iraq without saddam is still, with all its problems, better than with him. the question, of course, becomes was it worth it for the united states to have spent all this blood and treasure in doing it? >> yeah, it's sort of a surprise. and you got him to apologize, saying there were no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, the intelligence was bad. he formally apologized for that. but it's rare in these kinds of political circles to hear that kind of apology. we haven't heard that kind of apology from president bush or vice president cheney or then defense secretary rumsfeld, right? >> you know, it's striking,

wolf. in doing this documentary, i tried to get to the highest levels of the bush administration. mostly people didn't want to talk. the ones we were able to get were utterly unrepenting. you couldn't get anyone to even say small things, you know, smaller-level decisions were mistakes. and then when they would say they were mistakes, everyone was pointing the finger at everyone else. i think blair was genuinely reflective. i think i caught him in a reflective mood, and he was willing to note not only, as you say, that the intelligence was bd, but that the postwar pl planning that were the serious mistakes for which he apologized, and he acknowledged that all this probably did contribute to the rise of isis. yeah, that is not something you hear much. in american politics, as you know, it's very tough to get anybody to admit that anything they did was wrong, because then it becomes the story. better to just stick fast and claim you've never made a mistake in your life, which, of course, strikes me as kind of

bizarre for anyone. >> a lot of people say the decision after the invasion to go ahead and basically destroy the iraqi military set the scene eventually for the sectarian warfare we're seeing now. many of those iraqi generals, for example, who were sunni, have become the leaders of earlier al qaeda in iraq and now isis. and that's one of the reasons why the country is in such a mess right now. and i'm sure you point that out in your documentary tonight. i want you to listen, though, right now to donald trump. he says the u.s., the entire world, the people of iraq would have been better off if the u.s. had stayed out of iraq, and for that matter, stayed out more recently from libya. here's what trump told our jake tapper on "state of the union" yesterday. >> right now, iraq is a training ground for terrorists. right now, libya, nobody even knows libya. frankly, there is no iraq and there is no libya. it's all broken up. they have no control. nobody knows what's going on. >> so, the world would be better off with saddam hussein -- >> 100%!

>> -- and gadhafi in power? >> 100%! as far as assad is concerned -- >> what about the human rights abuses? >> you don't think thaerz happening now? they're worst now. people are getting their heads chopped off, they're being drowned. they're far worse than they were ever under saddam hussein or gadhafi. >> you could make the case that iraq under saddam hussein was being contained at the time, u.s. no-fly zones. he wasn't really a threat. iran has now come in, as trump likes to say, and has a dominant role in iraq. right now in libya, with gadhafi, he gave up his effort to develop a nuclear capability. as bad as he was, what's going on in libya right now is so much worse, the terrorism that's unfolding. what do you say when you hear trump make those points? >> you know, as you say, look, there's a powerful argument there to be made. i think this is a kind of position worth hearing out. there's a kind of old-fashioned, real politics school in the united states that perhaps would have always advocated this.

the trouble is, and tony blair talks about this in the documentary -- he says in iraq, we went in and took out the regime, and what followed was chaos and islamic terrorism. in libya, we went in, took out the regime, but didn't get involved in nation-building. chaos and terrorism. in syria, we didn't do anything, didn't take down the regime. what has resulted? chaos and islamic terrorism. the region is in turmoil. so, laid out, wolf, if you had saddam hussein in power and the arab spring had broken out and then went to damascus -- you'll remember that's what happened. it started as an uprising following the arab spring. it would probably have happened in iraq as well. the kurds might have risen. the shia might have risen. remember, 80% of the country didn't like saddam. and then he would have probably responded. so, it's quite possible that something very much like syria would be taking place in iraq now, had saddam been there. the big difference is, the united states would not have owned the problem, because it did not precipitate it.

>> and as trump likes to say, the u.s. has spent, what, at least $1 trillion or $2 trillion in iraq, lost thousands of lives. so many american troops came home severely injured. and who knows how many times or thousands of iraqis are killed in the process as well. i'm really looking forward, fareed to your documentary later tonight. it's entitled, "long road to hell: america in iraq." it airs at 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight only on cnn. fareed, thanks very much. coming up, a rare glimpse into the elite delta force and the raid on an iraqi prison that revealed america's evolving role right now in the war against isis. we have the video and the details, coming up next.

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prison in northeastern iraq. the jailbreak saved dozens of hostages who were reportedly facing imminent mass execution by the terror group. the mission also cost the life of an american soldier, master sergeant joshua wheeler, a husband, father of four. he's the first u.s. soldier to die in combat in iraq since 2011. our senior international correspondent, nick paton walsh, has details. >> reporter: you're now right inside the jailbreak that revealed america's changed role in iraq. they think they're rescuing kurds from this isis jail, but look who staggers out. terrified iraqis. even their eyes lit up by fear caught on the kurdish soldier's helmet camera. it's edited, but u.s. officials tell cnn it's genuine. more cells opened, it seems, and the iraqi soldier and civilian

hostages keep coming. an office, an isis flag. more cells. and perhaps a target through the light of the door. then, a quick close-up, likely of an american commando. "don't be afraid," he cries, as they search the prisoners. remember, they were expecting kurds. perhaps these men are isis, have guns or bombs. it's the americans who seem in charge here. the captives' relief palpable. u.s. officials saying they faced imminent execution.

it's unclear when, before or after this footage, the americans here learned one of their own was gunned down. but their mission went on to rescue 70. that first combat death since 2011 in iraq forcing public acknowledgement american commandos were now boots on the ground. >> nick paton walsh, who's joining us now live. nick, what else are you learning about this mission? >> reporter: well, interesting, actually. the pentagon on the record now saying, somebody mentioned in that report that, in fact, master sergeant joshua wheeler lost his life during that raid, most likely died before the footage you saw there. we're hearing from u.s. officials that, in fact, it was during their attempt to breach into the compound where much of that fighting began, the fire seemed to have hit him. he later died of those injuries. so, unclear if his colleagues were cognizant of that. i'm sure some of them were, but

regardless, they continued the mission. major wheeler, 14 tours in afghanistan and iraq. that's a bit of a reminder how lengthy, what used to be called the war on terror, has gone on and how it's morphed into this complex fight against isis, and perhaps how these images, which the pentagon say they knew the kurdish peshmerga special forces were filming before the raid and intended to release perhaps these images help explain to the american public how weary of american involvement on the ground in iraq, exactly what the forces were doing. secretary of defense ashton carter says more american soldiers will be in harm's way and we can expect more missions like this in the future. wolf? >> nick paton walsh for us. thank you, nick, very much. up next, cold war era concerns over russian spy ships and submarines taking up positions near critical communication lines. could they be planning an attack on the internet? we're going to take a closer look. can a business have a mind?

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a report in "the new york times" says russian spy ships and submarines have been lurking near a vital undersea cables, cables that carry a vast amount of the global internet communications. the report says russian patrols are up 50% in the last year, including one ship that was tracked off the u.s. coast on its way to cuba just last month. brian todd is joining us now. brian, there's speculation over what the russians are up to based on this "the new york times" report. what are you hearing? >> reporter: that's right, wolf, a lot of concern reported in the "times" and elsewhere this afternoon about russian naval operations becoming more aggressive, not only off the east coast, but elsewhere, out near europe and other places. "the new york times" reporting several pentagon officials,

roughly a dozen, are concerned about russian activities near special undersea cables, cables that carry internet connections. the "times" reporting spy ships are operating aggressively in areas near where the cables are extending. they extend, you know, hundreds of miles deep and thousands of miles across the globe. and of course, we rely on those cables for almost all of our internet communications. as the "times" reports that military officials are concerned about russia possibly either disrupting those cables, possibly even consulting them if a broader conflict breaks out. pentagon officials, no u.s. agency is really speaking on the record about this. the russians are saying that that report is basically ridiculous. we have a quote here from a russian foreign ministry spokeswoman, saying, "as we can see, the media has been constantly whipping up hysteria lately, trying to make russia look like the aggressor. all those reports are not based on facts but based on assumptions. they give assumptions but no

facts." another official told me this looks like the pentagon devising random threats to make the russians look bad. on the record, the pentagon spokesman, captain jeff davis, said they're not going to comment on sensitive intelligence matters, that it would be a concern to hear that any country was tampering with communications. we have to say, wolf, there's no evidence yet of any cable cutting or anything like that. it is a concern raised in "the new york times" report about these russian naval operations becoming maybe a little more aggressive. >> no evidence of cutting and certainly no evidence in either of any tampering, right? >> that's right, no evidence of tampering and no u.s. agency's really speaking on the record about this threat. we'll have more on this in "the situation room." >> thanks, brian. thanks very much. up next, the republican rivalry out on the campaign trail. we're going to hear directly from marco rubio on his relationship with jeb bush, his message to voters, also his favorite movies. stay with us.

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let's get back to the presidential race for the white house. right now the republican race for president, specifically. jeb bush, senator marco rubio, they're running neck and neck in most of the polls, although both of them fell behind the republican front-runners, donald trump and dr. ben carson. their past friendship, their current rivalry has ruffled some feathers and sparked talk of the trail on rubio's part. our special correspondent, jamie gangel, caught up with senator rubio out there on the campaign trail in south carolina for a cnn exclusive. >> let's talk about jeb. the two of you both say you're friends. we went back and looked at your victory night, november 2nd, 2010, when he introduced you. he said that you were the man

for our time. >> bushes get emotional, so i'm going to try my hardest. my wife has told me, don't cry, don't cry. but marco rubio makes me cry for joy. >> i'm not sure anyone quite believes the friendship is so warm anymore. >> not on our part it isn't. i mean, i'm running for president. i'm not running against jeb or anybody else in this race. >> so, some might say, look, jeb was your friend, he was your mentor, he helped you get elected, he helped you raise money. some might say this is a betrayal. couldn't you have waited for another election? >> well, i don't see the presidency that way. i don't think there is a line where we all wait and just hand the presidency off to each other because you've paid your dues. i'm running for president because i don't see anyone else on either side who's campaigning on the agenda and the views that i have. i don't view the presidency as some sort of honorific office

that you just step aside and let someone else move forward. this is not that kind of thing. we've got to move forward in this country and turn the page. >> jeb has subtly, not so veiled, painted you as barack obama 2.0, that you're young, inexperienced, first-term senator. is jeb bush more experienced than you are? >> i think there are people running that have more experience on the issues we faced 35 years ago, 25 years ago or 15 years ago. when it comes to the issues before america in the 21st century, there's no one running that understands them or has shown better judgment on them than i have, and it's one of the main reasons i'm running. so, when people run for the presidency or any office, they will say things because they think it gives them a competitive advantage, and that's fine. i understand the politics of it, but that's not what the campaign is about for me. i'm going to tell people who i am and why i'm running and what i'll do. >> let's turn the corner. you want people to get to know you better. so, look, i know two things about you. your favorite sport is football. >> yeah. >> and your favorite team has to

be the dolphins. >> yeah, and the florida gators. >> what do you want to be growing up? >> i wanted to be either a football player, football coach or sports broadcaster. >> and you wanted to play in the nfl? >> yeah, i did, and i would have, had it not been for my lack of size, speed and talent. >> you were not the greatest high school student in the world. >> no. >> is the story true about the teacher? you were a disrupter. >> yeah. >> that she was bribing you not to come to class? >> look, and it cost me a lot of money later on in life, right? because i had to go up and take classes and pay for it myself and take out loans for undergraduate degrees. so, i regret not being a good high school student, but i wasn't. but once i started paying for college, i became a really good student. >> is that what turned it around? >> part of it, but part of it was, hey, it's time to grow up and get going here. i was not even a great student in college, but i was a veracious yard. had i not read a lot, i think i would have struggled in college. >> favorite book? >> obviously, i think the bible is the most extraordinary

document. >> second favorite book? >> there are a number to pick from. one of the ones i really enjoyed is the one about churchill. i think it's called "the last lion" or -- >> light side, favorite movies? >> well, some of them are not for kids to watch. i think i love "the godfather" >> i like andy garcia. one and two were fantastic. i liked "pulp fiction." i like "wedding crashers." >> favorite music. >> i grew up listening to a lot of r&b music and some of the '90s hip hop music. it's really grown and exploded is electric dance music. >> it's not necessarily part of -- it's used for that purpose, but it's genius and it's a 21st century ability to take music and use it in a way that motivates people. you have others out there. >> i have no idea.

>> they are like djs and muse sigss. that's a genera that's global and growing rapidly. it's unbelievable. >> you like hip hop. you have four young kids. do you let them listen? >> not really. the key is not the music. it's the lyrics. you don't want kids exposed to lyrics that shouldn't be. there's a a difference between a 44-year-old man and a 16-year-old listening to that and not understanding the difference between artistic expression and reality. >> good stuff. jamie is joining us now live. we learned something about marco rubio in that interview. what's next for him as his campaign moves forward? >> look, i think the challenge nw is can can he take it to the next step? he's number three, but trump and carson are still way up here. he has to raise money more money. i think he has to decide whether

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we're two days away from the next republican debate. jeb bush has been taking a closer look at his campaign. jamie is still with us. i know yao doing reporting on what's going on in the bush campaign, these strategy sessions underway in houston texas. what are you hearing? >> first of all, there's no question that they are shocked to be at this place in the polls at this point in the campaign.

that said, the campaign is pushing back on talk about donors panicked. what you heard from jeb bush this weekend where he got out there and said he was frustrated, expect to hear more of that. there is going to be a new sheriff in town. jeb feels empowered to speak his mind. and he's going to be speaking out more often and spending a lot more time in new hampshire and south carolina. >> are we going to see some of that come through in the next republican presidential debate in boulder, colorado, on wednesday? >> i think that's absolutely correct. i wouldn't be surprised if you saw fireworks. every debate is important, but this debate is critical.

this is substance, that's his wheelhouse. they want him to take control of this debate. so i think you will see a much more vocal, strong jeb bush. >> it's clear to me and to you that the front runner donald trump gets under jeb bush's skin whr he says this guy is low energy. it seems to resinate and deeply irritate jeb bush based on those comments he made just the other night that if this is going to get. really ugly, there are other things i can do with my life. >> jeb bush is a smart man. he's a decent man. he never expected to be campaigning against donald trump with this kind of back and forth. he doesn't like doing it. that said, i think we're seeing

unleashed jeb here. i don't know that he will directly after donald trump, but you will see a much more outspoken candidate. >> is he really frustrated at the low poll numbers in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina and certainly nationally? >> absolutely. they are frustrated. they are shocked. but you know what, wolf, everybody keeps saying in this campaign how did we get here? it is very surprising. nobody expected it. nobody predicted it. and you know, they just never thought they would be in this place. >> we'll see what happens next. they have a lot of work to do. all the campaigns have a lot of work to do to get ready for the next debate. thank you very much. good work all around. . for all the latest in politics and presidential contenders,

head over to cnn j politics.com. you get the best information right there. also just in with e deadlines looming on the debt ceiling, the white house and congress may be close to a new budget deal. we're getting new information. stay with cnn for that. in the meantime, the news continues next on cnn. hi there, thank you for being with me on this monday afternoon, i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. got to begin this hour with the head of the fbi saying crime is on the rise across america because police officers are nervous. the nation's top law enforcement officers are in chicago tackling policing in america and that includes the director of the fbi himself. he has come under scrutiny for suggesting that officers are pulling back from doing their jobs over what's become known as the ferguson effect. is there a national police slowdown happening in the wake