jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> set your dvr to record "outfront." "ac 360" with anderson starts right now. good evening and thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news and video that might not be easy to watch especially if you're a parent with a child in school a. high school classroom in south carolina. here is the first. >> hands behind your back. give me the hands. >> that's a school resource officer throwing the female student to the floor, now here is a slightly different angle. >> hands behind your back. give me your hands. give me your hands. give me your hands.

give me your hands. >> as you might imagine, this video is getting wide play around the country. shows a single moment in time. we don't know what happened prior to that. jean joins us now. >> we're continuing to get more information but this did happen today in south carolina at the spring valley high school and that is a school resource officer from the richland county sheriff's department. we do know that the sheriff's department has just come out with a statement saying that their sheriff is actually looked at the video and has numerous questions tonight. they are beginning an investigation because this sheriff wants some answers. once he has answers, he will publicly let it be known what they are. now here is what we don't know. we don't know a lot because we don't know what came before this iphone started rolling that video, but our affiliate wis is

saying that in fact, the student was refusing to compile with the teacher and the school administrator to leave the classroom. they called in the school resource officer and asked the school resource officer to take over. according to wis, the school resource officer placed this student under arrest for disturbing the school, asked the student to compile to leave the classroom. the student refused. asked a second time, refusal. then according to our affiliate, that's when the iphone starts rolling where the student is resisting the second request for arrest and to leave the room. at this point, the school district also has undergone their own investigation and they have given a statement to cnn saying that they are deeply concerned about this incident. this is a school resource officer is to protect the student, not to harm the student, but at this point the big question is why and what is

the complete story. >> the officer is, what, placed on leave or? >> he's placed on administrative leave to not come near that school. he will not perform his duties as a school resource officer at that high school or any other school at this point. >> appreciate that. we'll continue to gather information. joining us is legal analyst s sunny house tin and harry. >> what do you make of this video? >> i got a couple questions first here. we don't see what happened earlier, but based on the report the officer asked this child to get out of this seat twice. let me tell you something that's got me really mad, anderson. cops are at a school in the event there is a crime. too often these teachers and these schools are calling on the cops because they have a disruptive student in the classroom. this is not a cop's job. this is the job of the teacher and if the teacher can't handle it, to call the principal or somebody that's trained in that.

so they don't want to be the bad guy so they call the police officer in. now what the police officer did basically was all legal. he can pull that child from that and, you know, he can. but the fact is i wouldn't have done it that way. >> you think there are other ways to handle it. >> i would have basically told that teacher, listen, if you can't handle this child are you personally going to sign the complaint because if i have to touch the child, that child is going to be placed under arrest. now the school is suecond guessing. >> i don't know what video harry is watching but this is illegal. cops can only use excessive force and this is a police officer when their life is in danger, this kind of force. >> that's not true. >> the issue here is whether or not -- >> that's not true. >> it's reasonable and necessary the force used. if you look into the profile of this officer, he is a power lifter, a competitive power lifter, he squads 940 pounds.

the kind of force that he used with this child in a school is absurd. i'm not angry about, you know, the fact that an officer was called in. i'm angry that this officer chose to hurl and assault a 13 -- a child onto the ground. >> what do you think they should have done if the child was not willing to leave -- >> there are so many things that can be done. you can ask for backup. you can forcibly remove a child, certainly, but you don't have to flip over a chair after you choke the child and then hurl the child across the ground. >> she was resisting. >> there are ways -- >> resisting? >> ma'am, first of all -- >> wow, you know the fact that an officer can use whatever force is necessary to effect an arrest. i have nothing to do -- >> the only -- >> watch the video. >> resisting that appears is not following an order by the police officer. that, i think that's what you

mean by resisting. it doesn't seem like the child -- >> she's sitting there. she's sitting there in a very docile way, in fact. >> you want to sit for two hours to wait, more cops come, for teachers come. the school should do something like this, this is what annoys me, anderson, the schools think the cops are there to be able to do something like this and then what they do is turn around -- >> are you annoyed by the video? >> i would have done it a different -- >> how about the assault? >> legally that officer could have pulled that child out of that seat, no problem. >> can he assault a child? >> does her age matter? >> of course, it does. i think it matters -- >> it's a high school kid. >> it matters legally. >> high school kids have killed police officers. >> come on. >> i'm not saying she would have. >> in terms of humanity, we're talking about a female. we're talking about a child. and i think when you look at it legally in terms of what is the reasonable and necessary force, why would a power lifter, a football coach, a competitive

power lifter -- >> it doesn't matter how strong he is. >> need that amount of force -- >> when did you win a case because somebody was strong or so strong or stronger than somebody else? it doesn't matter. >> it matters. >> this officer properly reacted -- >> properly? >> i believe he did. >> that's the problem with law enforcement. >> i would have walked over to the child and said listen, if you don't get out of the car, out of the chair, i'm going to pull you out of here. do you want that? this is after i spoke to the teacher and i spoke to the principal saying you're signing the complaint if i have to touch this child and i don't think that's happening here. i think the school is turning around here. they will point fingers at the police officer because he acted the way he acted. >> there is no justification to use the type of force. >> you say without a doubt this is excessive -- >> then change the rules at the school -- >> you don't think it matters what happens before. >> the beauty of having videotaped incidents like this

is you can allow jurors and allow the american public to use your common sense and allow your eyes to see what your eyes are seeing. i don't think any american seeing this video would say that this isn't -- >> we don't see the beginning of the video. >> think about it if it were your child. >> i would kick my child's butt if he didn't get out of that chair when a police officer told him to get out of that chair. i'd throw him more than this kid got thrown down. >> thank you very much. of usually a lot to learn about this incident. just ahead a third warning sign for donald trump. the third poll in a row out of iowa confirming the new leader is dr. ben carson. how is donald trump reacting? you'll see that ahead. did that bacon you enjoyed this morning increase your chance of getting cancer or the hot dog for lunch? there is a new report out that worries a lot of people, dr.

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downplayed the first and began taking sharper jabs and some believe carson's religious believes. here is a sampling back and forth and the part about religion so you can decide for yourself what to make of it. >> we have a breaking story, donald trump has fallen to second place behind ben carson. we informed ben, but he was sleeping. >> i don't get into the mud pit. >> carson is lower energy than bush, i don't get it. >> i'm not going to be talking about people. >> carson, i don't know what the hell is going on there. >> i've been attacked since i got in this thing. it's nothing new. >> ben carson is a very low energy person. >> the only question is will there be ten attacks a day or 15? >> i'm presbyterian. boy, that the down the middle of the road, folks, in all fairness. i mean seventh day adventous i

don't know about. >> he said he would apologize if he said something bad about carson's faith, which he said he did not. van is a former obama administrationed administration advisor and jeffrey served as white house political director during the regan administration. jeffrey, do you like seeing trump throw jabs at carson saying he is low energy, he brought up carson's religion, you can make of it whatever you will. he said he basically doesn't know about seventh da daday day adevntous? >> no. i spent some time today going back and looking at presidential primaries and both parties and wow, i mean, all the way back to 1960 when john f. kennedy was

accusing jeffrey of being a draft dodger and planning on flooding the polar sections of milwaukee with african americans in public housing. these things have been pretty brutal on both sides and frankly, i think historically speaking, this is just as normal as watching grass grow. i really don't see anything and i understand why they do it. they are trying to differentiate themselves from their opponent and draw a sharp line here. so i don't think that there's anything that's new in this at all. we've seen it before and we're going to see it again. >> amanda, invoking dr. carson's religion, whatever trump is trying to accomplish by bringing it up and whatever he meant by it, we're talking about a republican primary in iowa where a large evangelical turnout is crucial. >> it's perfectly fine for donald trump to listen. it's part of his public persona and he's comfortable talking about it. i don't see this as a potential

concern for him but what i do think is really interesting about the carson trump dynamic is trump is really the only one willing to go negative on carson. look at the people who are so willing to go after trump when he was leading in iowa. you had marco, you had rand, jeb, just tearing him apart but they are quiet when it comes to carson. so i'm sort of wondering if they are comfortable carson actually winning the iowa caucus because if you look at the last two cycles, it doesn't matter who won. huckabee won, santorum won it and then they didn't win anything after that. so i'm sort of wondering if people are comfortable, carson being a trump killer in iowa -- >> that's interesting. >> -- and a longer gain. >> you have this op ed you argue the iowa numbers may not be such bad news for trump. >> first of all, i really agree. iowa is a special place, it's a small place being a big celebrity doesn't help as much.

it usually goes in weird directions talking about huckabee or santorum. you really could let trump have his balloon pop by carson but maybe people are making too much of this. trump is still number one or two in every poll taken everywhere. basically number one every place else so in that situation, you have to start accepting the fact i hate to say trump could lose iowa and win the nomination especially when you look at the fact he's dominating in this new way of politics. i don't agree this is not new. his tone is very unpresidential. even in the past when you had attacks they weren't in this tone. why is it working for him? it's working for him because in a new media era of reality tv and social media where being a bragger doesn't hurt your ratings in reality tv. being controversial doesn't hurt your following on twitter. so the old rules prereality tv, preessential medimmedia

presocial media are falling away. he's playing a new set of rules. >> jeffrey, to van and amanda's point, if there is a long game, how do you see that playing out if they figure dr. carson is going to get iowa just as huckabee and santorum got before because the large evangelical turnout and then trump looking for new hampshire, south carolina and other spots later on. >> he's right. he's way ahead. trump is way ahead in south carolina and new hampshire, as well and van has one point at least that i agree with him on and i would remind that ronald reagan lost the iowa caucuses to george h.w. bush and went on to win in new hampshire and south carolina and go from there. i think i know he lost pennsylvania, the beauty contest here in pennsylvania to bush. the contest went on until may when bush finally yielded. so this can go on for quite awhile and, you know, trump is leading, absolutely in these

other places, just losing in iowa in and of itself isn't going to mean anything. >> to that point, i think trump is playing a longer game. if you look at his activities, he's betting big on florida. miami, jacksonville and picked up the endorsement, state republican party and opened an office. i think he's making a big play there because it would be tremendous if he actually knocked out support from marco and jeb in his home state. that's a big power play that i think trump is the kind of guy to try. >> yeah, good perspective. >> one thing -- >> real quick. >> one quick thing about this particular fighting style of carson, he is using judo. you have a barroom brawler approach from a trump and he's actually being thrown around by the calm, cool judo of a carson. it's very interesting to see a style of fighting that actually does seem effective against trump. nothing else has worked. you got to give carson credit for being effective in one

state. more on the side of the trump campaign that hasn't got much attention but could make a difference, the ground game. given how much donald trump talks about poll numbers, you may conclude this is all they have and you may think when it comes to local effort, he's just winging it. we found the reality is just the opposite. >> i love virginia. man. >> reporter: donald trump knows how to rally a crowd. >> go ahead. >> reporter: but it's the army of supporters working behind the scenes that could make him a formidable contender. >> our ground game is all over. south carolina tremendous ground game. >> reporter: the billionaire celebrity status lures fans by the thousands. >> for the typical campaign in iowa as you do seven pizza ranches in a day and you get crowds of 30 at most. we do one event a day and get 3,000. >> reporter: at every event, volunteers sign on trump's unconventional supporters convincing people who never caucused before to be precinct

captains in iowa enlisting them to phone bank in new hampshire and training them on turnout in nevada. the push starts before trump fans even arrive. they sign up for free tickets online entering their contact information and helping the campaign build a database of potential supporters. state directors say they are inundated with volunteers, some as unique as the candidate, unafraid of using unorthodox methods to attract attention. >> if i'm going to be hanging up signs and putting things out, i'll wear the hat and take my parrot with me, he likes people. gets a lot of people's attention. >> reporter: the campaign keeps a lean staff at new york headquarters. paid employees are fanned across nearly a dozen states, including some that don't vote until march. the campaign aims to send a message to critics and competitors. trump is in it to win. so what's your response to people that don't think mr. trump is in it for the long haul? >> well, i can't say it on the

air. so it's a -- but i think that a typical -- a polite response would be check the score bored when the clock has run out. >> reporter: trump's fame works for and possibly against him. his brand is so big that he spends next to nothing on advertising. but his popularity comes with a cost. >> it's probably not a logistic possibility to be hitting all the small diner, the famous ones for mr. trump because he draws such a media presence. doesn't mean he can't connect with the people but on a larger scale. >> reporter: the early states aren't used to large scale campaigning and many voters prefer close contact with the candidates. which may help explain why trump now trails in iowa. making that army of volunteers all the more important. sarah murray, cnn, washington. well, up next, donald trump and his beginnings in the business world. he said today it's never been

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seven figures in fact. take a look. >> my whole life really has been a no and i fought through it. i have been, and you know, i talk about it. it's not been easy for me. it has not been easy for me. i started off in brooklyn. my father gave me a small loan of $1 million. >> now, a lot of people would not describe $1 million as a small loan. they would call it a small fortune. donald trump is coming a long way. randi kaye takes a look. >> reporter: long before the glitz and gold of trump power on manhattan's fifth avenue, there was a small trump office on avenue z in coney island where donald trump and his father fred trump first bonded over real estate. >> i started off in a small office with my father in brooklyn and queens. i learned so much just sitting at his feet playing with blocks listening to him negotiate with subcontractors. >> reporter: his father had discovered his love for real estate at an early age.

fred trump teamed up with his mother elizabeth trump to form e. trump and son, the e be gbegs of trump empire. he needed his mother to write checks, he was not old enough. he began with garages and build homes for middle class and veterans returning from world war ii. he was left $30,000 by his dad, fred trump senior who was also a builder, a lot of money then but fred trump worked like he had pennies. fred trump did not like to put his name on things he built. donald got his start in the business in his 20s after working on deals with his dad in queens, donald trump began searching for distressed properties in new york city. >> he used to say, donald, don't go into manhattan. that's the big leagues. we don't know anything about that. don't do it. i said dad, i got to go into manhattan. i got to build the big

buildings. >> reporter: that's just what he did proving to the man who gave him his start just how much he taught him. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> more now on donald trump's rise and the doubts that have dodged him every step of the way about his true wealth and his true success as a deal maker. joining us is tim o'bryan and author of trump nation. he's not, we should say right up front, one of donald trump's favorite authors. you were sued by trump. that was eventually finally dismissed and lost on appeal, correct? >> yeah, got dismissed. >> okay. first of all, the fact, what do you make of donald trump saying he had a rough road the whole way, started off with a small loan, $1 million from his dad? >> it's all very silly. donald was born on third base and pretends he hit a triple. the reality is he inherited about $125 million. >> really? >> yeah, from his dad after his father passed away the family

sold off the real estate empire and at least $125 million. he had a trust fund his father set up for him when he was a young man. >> you told me once of a case where his dad bought a bunch of chips at a casino. >> correct, in the early 90s when the casino empire was in trouble and having trouble making debt payments in 1990, fred appeared at the trump castle and bought about more than $3 million worth of chips and so donald had the cash to meet debt payments. he certainly got more than $1 million from his father he benefitted as a young developer. his father was deeply tied into the manhattan political machine. the democratic machine. and through those relationships, the trump family got enormous tax abatements on projects they built when he redeveloped the grand hyatt, he got $111 million

in tax abatements that over 40 years. >> to be fair to him, he's always acknowledged his dad was big in construction in brooklyn and queens, i mean, construction in manhattan is another kind of thing, isn't it? it does say something about donald trump that he wanted to come to manhattan and make his money here? >> absolutely. i think he did something in manhattan. his father probably could never do. that's a different issue than the notion that all he ever got from his father is $1 million. he got tons of money from his father and he got tons of connections and financial support from his father that made his career in manhattan possible. >> his -- i mean, his business, it's -- you've said it's much different than a lot of people realize. that his business now is a lot of it is licensing his name to buildings around the world. >> yeah, donald is a human shingle now. he's never been a good business operator and a disaster --

>> how can you say he's never been a good business operator? >> he's a good self-promoter and good at licensing his name on everything from mattresses to underwear to vodka to men's clothing but running a business on a day to day basis, he lost a lot of his early gains in real estate because he didn't run those businesses well and certainly the casino slipped through his fingers. >> he says he got out of atlantic city at the right time. he was praised. >> he lost control of atlantic city before it spiralled down because he didn't run the casinos properly. >> thank you for being on. >> thank you. >> we have breaking news from a place that rarely functions smoothly. bipartisan congressional leaders in the white house agreed to a deal and principle to raise the debt ceiling and head off a government shut down. final details are being worked on that include lifting budget caps and a vote could come as early as wednesday. just ahead inside the deadly rescue mission to free dozens of isis hostages in iraq, there is

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tonight a look in the mission that cost a soldier his life. u.s., kurdish and iraqi forces took part in the mission to free hostages facing imminent mass execution. we're getting a look how exactly it went down. kurdish officials released video taken by a helmet camera worn by a kurdish soldier. retired u.s. army general analyzed the video for us guided by general's expertise and jim sciutto walks us through the dramatic pictures. [ gunshots ]. >> reporter: the tape starts with the crackle of gunfire, which our analyst identified as ar-15 rifle shots. the same weapons seen on all the troops on this video. fire burns in the adjacent room possibly started after flash bang grenades were thrown to

stun the enemy. a common technique used by u.s. special forces and four kurdish soldiers emerged from the darkness in a four-man stack, evidence of their u.s. training and with them, the first of many freed hostages. this man appears to have blood on his clothes. as more and more hostages are rushed out, kurdish commandos yell at them in arabic to move, move very quick and none of the hostages have shoes. our analysts believes their isis captors wanted them barefoot to make escape even harder. about 30 seconds into the video what looks like controlled chaos turns into mayhem. mixed in with it is the sound after ak-47s most likely used by hostage fighters. they are told over and over to

hurry. the tape cuts to another room, a massive black isis flag hangs on one wall and kurdish commando heads to a hallway that is lined with what could be prisoner cells. one of them still secured with a padlock. then another edit in the tape. an ar-15 rifle fire rings out again. finally to this scene, hostages being frisked. at this moment these troops don't know for sure if they are prisoners or isis fighters trying to conceal identity. they are searched for weapons, suicide vests and what the u.s. military would call pocket litter, phone numbers, information, any intelligence written down that could be passed to someone on the outside. then we see and hear americans for the first time. >> hold that guy there. we got four coming. >> the soldier on the right our analyst said has markings on his helmet and sleeve consays tant

with the army's delta force. during this mission we're told before this portion was filmed, a delta special force operator is wounded and more than 70 hostages are freed. coalition forces launch an air strike so it can never be used by isis again. >> its credible to see that. i understand the u.s. defense secretary carter acknowledged there will be more special operations forces in iraq like this one. how does it line up with the contention there are no u.s. combat troops on the ground? >> acre knowledged it and appeared to be intentionally so. i asked him about this, how measures up with the administration's claim, one he didn't dispute that what we saw there is indeed combat and he also made clear in his words that this is a capability the u.s. has. it's a good capability. and it's one he intends to use going forward. these are called advice and assist missions but part of the

assistance sometimes means, as we saw here, coming to the aid of your local partners on the ground. that's exactly what that special forces operator did mortally wounded in this attack. you see more of these, may not be a masked round exercise like we saw during the invasion of iraq but certainly danger and i'll tell you, anderson, there are people in the pentagon pushing for more roles for u.s. combat forces such as ground advisors but that decision stays with the president. >> terrible loss of an american hero. thank you very much. more than 12 years since u.s. troops invaded iraq and four years since the last soldier was pulled out and wheeler was taken. it's racked by violence and civil war with the added threat of isis now. just ahead, cnn's fareed zakaria, "long road to held, america freed in iraq" joins us

now. you look at the origins of the war and think it was in retrospect a terrible mistake. you supported the over throw of saddam. >> i did. i thought it was a functioning iraq that would be a middle ground between the very brutal and repress sieve dictatorships of the middle east and islamic jihad violence but as the united states goes in and topples saddam and goes well and pagmaka series of catastrophic errors. essentially dismantles the whole state, the dismantling of the bureaucracy and as a result, takes these young sunni men who are totally disaffected, angry with the new regime and throws them onto the streets but they all still have guns. >> and many military train sglg and many have military training. this is the old army and this in many ways was the core of what

became al qaeda and iraq and isis. the military core appears to be these disaffected soldiers and in some cases burro cats once on top of iraq. >> we still see some of these people lined with isis now. >> there is no question isis military command suffers from the theology in that. the military guys seem to be former saddam people, which is weird because they were not religious at all. in someways, this is a power grab, the guys we pushed out of power, this is their way to get back. >> you interviewed tony blair for this, the prime minister in england at the time. he essentially apologized, said was a mistake of intelligence, but that the world is better off for saddam hussein. did you talk to folks from the bush administration? >> funny you said that. we tried hard to talk to senior people. we got to some. mostly they didn't want to talk. so hard to get former senior

people and those are guys who really made the decisions. tony blair was supporting the decisions, all this was done by the bush administration. the ones who did, and -- >> pointing fingers at each other. >> one guy will say this was done in baghdad, other guy says no we got instructions from washington. try to figure out who came up with the idea, one thing was clear, no one wanted to apologize guides or take responsibility. >> shows the difficulty when you have foreigners in a foreign land, i mean, it's hard enough to figure out how to, you know, control crime here in the united states, try to figure out all the different forces in a foreign country, it's a huge task. >> it's contaexactly right. that's where i've come to. if you look at iraq, we got rid of the regime and tried this very ambitious nation building.

we left it to the libyans saying this is for you and turn into a mess. in yemen new elections and syria we've done nothing and it's turned into a mess. the middle east is in huge turmoil and the idea that, you know a few more special forces here and no fly zones there and if only the united states were to get involved, we should have some humility looking at the documentary, the main sense i get out of it is there's a very complicated part of the world in huge historical turmoil. it will sort itself out and the idea an american nudge or push here isn't going to make much. >> look forward to watching it starts 15 minutes from now. "long road to held america in iraq" premieres at 9:00 p.m. a new steady linking processed meat to cancer, hot dogs, cold cuts, bacon, putting that in the same category as

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with a big fat c saying they raised the risk of stomach and colon cancer and says red meat probably causes it, as well. sanjay, what does this report actually say? >> well, you know, it's a pretty big deal, they basically said we have sufficient evidence to say that processed meat causes cancer in humans. just to give you a little bit of context, this is, they sort of looked back in time at some 800 studies that go back over 20 years, you know, many, many different countries involved in the studies and look at this and say let's draw a conclusion now and based on looking at all those studies, they say there is again, sufficient evidence that processed meats cause cancer in humans and said red meat probably causes cancer in humans. it wasn't quite the same level of evidence but significant they even put numbers on it with processed meat, they say if you're eating 50 grams of

processed meat a day, two slices of ham for example, you're increasing your risk about 18% of developing colon cancer. so they said that evidence is there and here are the numbers. >> i mean, what does that mean for consumers? should we stop eating bacon and processed meats? >> well, you know, i think that depends on how much you want to tolerate risk and how much you love bacon, you know? we know there are certainly risks to all sorts of different things. >> for me it's hot dogs. >> well, and hot dogs was on the list. >> i know, i know, we're showing pictures of hot dogs, freaking me out and making me hungry. >> you love your hot dogs. right? it's like most things in life, you have to sort of look at the risk and figure out is this something you are willing to tolerate in terms of risk based on your love for the food or whatever it may be. let me give you something important, anderson. risk, headlines are talking about relative risk, the relative risk increase is 18%

but if i told you that the overall risk in the united states of developing colon cancer is 5% thanks means if you eat this processed meat regularly, it will go from 5 to 6%. it's an increase. is it dramatic? it depends how you look at these sorts of things, but this is a risk you need to take into account and balance it with your love for any particular food. >> how does it balance with smoking, asbestos? >> this will also maybe freak you out a bit, anderson. we looked at numbers, this agency, international agency for cancer research that basically categorizes substances, any kind of substance and says is this something that causes cancer in humans? is this something that possibly could cause cancer in humans? does it probably cause cancer in humans? they find things that cause cancer, there is about 118 things on the list. look, you know, obviously processed meats will get added

to the list today, asbestos is on the list, cigarette smoking, cell phones, last year were put on the list of things that could possibly cause cancer. so, you know, people always say looks like everything can cause cancer and when you look at the list, you can understand why people say that. again, this is based on data and gives you a context of what that risk is. >> sanjay, good to have you on, appreciate it. as you expect, the meat industry is not happy. several groups blasted the findings in a statement the north american meat institute said the panel's vote quote classifying red and processed meat as hazards defies common sense and studies showing no correlation between meats and cancer and cancer and more many studies showing the many health benefits of balanced diets and

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time for "the ridiculist", with more than a year to go for the presidential election, things will get weird. candidates can melt down, burnout, get caught in scandals we can't anticipate but say what you will with photos on twitter and hiking of the appalachian trail, one thing we don't do here is we don't put wookies in handcuffs.

he got fined about $5 for the infraction but not before he was taken away by several police officers. who was he campaigning for? dath vader, of course. darth vader was pledging to build and demand more transparency. this has been going on for years thanks to a graup called the internet party and put yoda on the ballot this is not his first run in with authorities. the actor that plays him was detain the at the airport because he was stopped for his cane that looked like a right savior and we were treated to impersonations. >> the unusual ways of the cane got an officer's attention but that the passenger and the light saber cane were cleared to travel within five minutes. i always wanted a light savor. >> that was my chewbacca. >> was that your chewbacca?

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you at least on "the ridiculist." we'll see you at 11:00 p.m. eastern. another edition of 360, "long road to hell, america in iraq" hosted by fareed zakaria starts now. in baghdad today, bombs go off on average every 12 hours. the awful routine that follows each bomb looks hauntingly familiar to americans who watch the iraq war play out on television. familiar except for this. after many bombings, he plays his ce