this historic game. we have more on it coming up now, how the angered fans were and what happened in this game. >> crazy stuff. but first, donald trump heading into tonight's gop debate no longer as the undisputed republican front-runner. so how will carson's momentum change this race? we have a lot to cover. let's begin with cnn's sunlen serfati. she's live in boulder, colorado, the site of tonight's debate. good morning, sunlen. >> reporter: good morning. when ben carson takes the stage, he will have momentum on his side. he will be up there, side by side with donald trump, so this tug-of-war that's emerged between the two will be at center stage. carson has been prep in florida for the last few days and aides say he is ready, willing, and prepared to challenge donald trump tonight. for his part, donald trump has been hammering down on ben carson out on the campaign trail. clearly not handling his own drop in the polls too well. here's how he put it last night in iowa.

>> iowa, will you get your numbers up, please? will you get these numbers up? i promise you, i will do such a good job. by the way, before i forget, will you get the numbers up, iowa, please? this is ridiculous. and please do me a favor. let me win iowa. i refuse to say "get your asses in gear," i will not say that. but will you do me a favor and work with my people and get out on february 1st and vote and give me a victory. if i lose iowa, i will never speak to you people again. >> reporter: this comes as john kasich has been taking on a much more aggressive tone on the campaign trail. yesterday at his sendoff rally, he really laid into all of his republican opponents for what he called their hysterical policies. >> do you know how crazy this election is? let me tell you something, i've

about had it with these people. i'm sick and tired of listening to this nonsense and i'll have to call it like it is, as long as i'm in this race. >> reporter: the kasich campaign acknowledging to cnn this is, of course, a shift in his strategy in advance of tonight's debate, so it's very clear he's trying to shake things up. >> certainly a change in tone for kasich and also for trump, essentially begging voters to come out and support him. fascinating stuff. thanks so much. meanwhile, clinton widening her lead in several state polls. appearing on the colbert show, insisting if she's elected, she'd take on the big banks and let them fail if necessary. >> you put forth a plan for reforming wall street and wall street embraced it. is that a good sign? >> well, i'm not sure what they're talking about, because i

certainly didn't get that message if they did. paul krugman, columnist for "the new york times," prize-winning columnist, said i came out with a tough, comprehensive, effective plan. because what i did which is really looking at the problems that we have and trying to preempt the problems of the future is to recognize that we don't just have big banks in our economy that pull a lot of strings and make a lot of decisions. look at what happened in '08. we had a big insurance company that had to be bailed out. we had lehman brothers, that failed. we have to look at the whole financial system. >> so if you're president -- >> yes? >> and the banks are failing, do we let them fail this time? >> yes. >> we let them fail this time? >> yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. first of all, under dodd/frank, that is what will happen, because we now have stress tests and i'm going to impose a risk fee on the big bank if they

engage in risky behavior. but they have to know, their shareholders have to know that, yes, they will fail and if they're too big to fail, then under my plan and others that have been proposed, they may have to be broken up. because if you can't manage it, then it's more likely to fail. >> so much material to break down this morning. let's bring in cnn national political reporter, maeve rustin. trump is playing a new political tactic and i believe the technical term is begging. mark, what do you think of him saying to iowa, please, do me a favor, let me win iowa. >> not only that, alisyn, he also noted that evangelicals have let him down and he's perplexed because he said he's a good christian. in order to win the iowa caucus, you need the support of the

conservative christian vote. but as we saw in this national poll, ben carson has a 22-point lead with him when it comes to christian voters. and we've also saw many iowa polls in the past ten days or so that shows that carson is top this iowa. right now donald trump is at a crossroads in his campaign. the question is, does he continue going on with his schmick that he's doing right now that he offers these sweeping ideas that he can help fix the nation but not get specific, or does he stop offering policy proposals much line jeb bush or some of the other candidates are doing, if he follows the latter, i think he puts his campaign back on track. if he continues with the schick, he will continue to fall. >> of course donald trump doesn't get why he's not up in iowa. he has succeeded following his gut, now it's not working.

who knows what happens with the next set of polls. but how do you think this plays for him going into tonight? >> i don't know if it's the best strategy to get out there and complain about your poll numbers. it's not necessarily about what everyone wants to be hearing about on the campaign trail. but we are seeing donald trump build a serious ground game in a lot of the early states, and that's going to be important as he tries to get his message out. tonight at the debate, there is a big question about whether people are now drifting to carson, because they really like that contrast of the quieter, more mild-mannered surgeon, and maybe they're getting a little bit tired of donald trump schtick. he had very high unfavorable ratings to begin with, so we knew he had a ceiling, and now we're seeing him slide. he has to show tonight he can be a good contrast to carson and he's clearly been going after carson's competency and his energy in recent days, i'm sure we'll see him do that again

tonight. >> mark, can we talk about john kasich for a second? because here is a guy that in a normal year has all of the ingredients, right, to be a front-runner. smart guy, successful governor. even he, yesterday, on the campaign trail, was basically saying he can't make heads or tails out of what's going on with ben carson and donald trump and he went after them. so listen to this. >> we got one candidate that says that we ought to abolish medicare and medicaid. have you ever heard of anything so crazy as that. telling our people in this country who are seniors or are about to be seniors that we're going to abolish medicare and medicaid? we've got one guy who says we ought to take 10 million or 11 million people and pick 'em up -- i don't know if we're going to go in their homes, their apartments. we're going to pick them up and take them to the border and scream at them to get out of our country. that's just crazy. that is just crazy. >> so mark, what becomes of a

guy who like john kasich in this crazy, topsy-turvy year isn't getting traction? >> i think if you were to look at the field and who is best positioned to become the choice for vice president for any of these candidates, you've got to look at john kasich. he comes from ohio, he's very learned on capitol hill, he was the budget committee chairman. he knows what he's doing. the problem with john kasich is he is running in a year where there are 15 other people are running. former governors, current governors, senators, and he can't seem to break through. he also got into the race so late into the game. and that is what's hurting kasich. tonight, though, i think what kasich has to do is that he has to show that he is going to start challenging some of his colleagues on that stage, so to speak. because he said he wasn't going to do it. but if he wants to instill some confidence in his campaign, he needs to do that tonight. >> mark, you and maeve are hearing the same thing we are from kasich's people is that they have money to sustain. they're not going anywhere. that's going to be an advantage. this field has to thin out. and i figured out why you're

smiling. you're smiling so you're waiting for my next debate prediction that you can shoot down like o'malley. and i'm going to make one. i believe what kasich said yesterday is not him losing his cool. this is a tactic you'll see from him tonight. we saw it projected by governor sununu on the show. they've been talking in the upper echelons of that party about what they need to do. and they're going with the, i've had it. don't let the media steal this election. tonight you'll see a john kasich you have not seen before. and you say why i'm wrong? >> and i absolutely agree with you in this case, chris. i think that what we're seeing from kasich is a new line of aggression. clearly, people did not -- they warmed to him in new hampshire, but he started to slide. that's the place where he's really staked his campaign. so they see the need for a shake up here, to show more aggression, much in the same way that jeb bush has needed to do with his voters, and tonight

you'll really see kasich take on trump and the other contenders on the stage to say, wait a minute, guys, this is not what you're looking for, you want a more experienced, competent candidate and i can be that person. so we'll see. >> so last time carly fiorina was really sort of boosted by that debate. how do you think that tonight will reshuffle the deck, mark? >> a lot's on the line for all of these candidates, but carly fiorina got a bump out of the fox debate back in august. she did well in the cnn debate last month. lots on the line for her, because we haven't seen her. she hasn't been out there, she hasn't been front and center. in many ways, carly fiorina has kind of slipped off the radar. we've actually seen that in the polling, not only in the states, but carly fiorina needs to reestablish herself as she tries to portray herself as the smart ceo that is an outsider in washington. a lot on the line for her tonight to try to pull that off. >> but she'll still be hitting

the same note. >> and jeb. >> well jeb's always had to make a push. he has. >> go ahead. >> after slashing all those salaries, he'll have to really perform tonight to show his donors that he's got some way to connect with voters out there after this huge shake up we saw in his campaign last week. >> but i'll tell you, again, governor sununu is not a name you'll hear very often, but this is a man who's always sought out for his intelligence on strategy. and what they're saying right now, it is time to take this race back. they believe we have taken it from their party. and they'll take it back tonight. kasich's such a great guy to do it because he's such a fighter. maeve, mark, thank you. >> quick programming note for you tonight, after the debate, it's all about who did well and why. how did things change? the man on your screen will take you through. a special two-hour "a.c. 360" starting at 10:00 p.m. eastern. coop and the best politial team in the business will break it

all down for you. nick? all right. the u.s. is ready to begin taking direction action on the ground to step up attacks on isis in syria and iraq. defense secretary ash carter telling the u.s. senate armed services committee that the u.s. won't back down from supporting its partners. jim sciutto live in washington with more for us. >> reporter: this is something the president has resisted since the start of military operations against isis. in fact, he said it wouldn't happen. u.s. troops in ground combat. but now we learned those options, hard options are on the table. the defense secretary boils them down to, as he said, the three rs. those three rs stand for raids, like the one we saw, the u.s. delta force took part in last week, where one delta force operator was killed. raqqa, which is isis' home base in syria and ramadi in iraq. operations to supplant them from there. here's how the defense secretary put it yesterday on capitol hill.

>> we won't hold back from supporting capable partners in opportunistic attacks against isil or conducting such missions directly. whether by strikes from the air or direct action on the ground. >> here's what you're talking about here. you're talking about special forces helping kurdish and iraqi forces on the ground in raids like we saw last week, but you also heard on the hill yesterday talk of forward deploying u.s. advisers with local units on the ground. these could be forward ground controllers calling in air strikes or just advisers at the front lines, helping the local forces fight better and take on isis. something that they haven't done successfully on the ground recently. and here's something to keep in mind. combat certainly in danger there. you have a new danger now with russia operating on the ground and into the air in syria, and they're talking about it even in iraq. remember, those russian strikes are meant to defend regime of bashar al assad, anyone fighting that regime. some of the people fighting that regime are people that the u.s.

support on the ground. a lot of dangers for those forces. and we saw the reality of those danger last week one delta special force was killed. now to an update on that south carolina police officer who killed a female student to the floor in her classroom. he will find out later today if he still has a job. his supervisor claims the girl bears some responsibility for this incident. cnn's martin savage is live in columbia, south carolina, with the very latest. what's new in this, martin? >> reporter: good morning. as you point out, the sheriff in this county has said he plans to move very quickly on this case. that's why it's anticipated some sort of a announcement could come out for noon. for student resource officer ben fields, it could be high noon. the 16-year-old high school student violently thrown to the ground by school resource officer ben fields claims she does have injuries to her arm and face, at least according to

her attorney. the fbi now investigating. >> she may have had a lot of rug burn or something like that, but she was not injured. >> reporter: in the incident report, the south carolina sheriff's deputy said he used muscling techniques, after she refused his request to get up. then according to the report, she hit him in the chest with a closed fist. >> i don't want anybody to think just the fact that he did strike the officer, that's justification for some of the actions that he's took. >> we've heard about his reputation and we've heard that he's a really, i guess i could say, dangerous man. >> the second student arrested, 18-year-old nia kenny says it all started when the 16-year-old refused to hand over her phone to the math teacher, and that's when fields was calleded in to remove her. kenny says she was crying, screaming at the officer, fields then arresting her for disturbing school. >> he said, you got something you want to say? you want some of this too? and i was just like, no, and i just put my hands behind my back.

>> reporter: in 2007, army veteran carlos martin filed a lawsuit against officer fields, claiming he used excessive force when questioning him and his wife about a noise complaint. the jury ruled in fields' favor in 2010. but martin claims race was a factor in his arrest. >> when i saw the video, it just reminds me of all the nightmares and what i've been going through for ten years. >> reporter: a student in the classroom who posted this video wrote that fields is, quote, a cool dude and not racist. >> black people are attacked. >> reporter: still, many parents of the richland ii school district are outraged as are school officials. >> this individual,we've made it clear that we do not want him back on our school grounds and in our schools and that's been a permanent request that we've made. >> there is some debate as the to whether or not officer fields should lose his job, but as you just heard, many believe that he definitely should not be back inside of that high school again, at least not in the capacity of being an officer. chris? >> all right, martin, thank you for that. we have a lot more on that

story. > but i want to tell you about this. this is happening in sacramento, california. video capturing a fight breaking out in the lunchroom. the school's principal, don ross, he gets wrestled and thrown to the ground by a student. he gets right back up and tries to break up the fight again. in the end, you have three students from floren high school being arrested. officials say three school employees suffered minor injuries. no criminal charges, meanwhile, against the south fatally shot 19-year-old zachary hammond back in july. hammond was unarmed, in his car at a parking lot during a drug sting. he was shot and ill cann ekille by lieutenant mark tiller while he was attempting to drive away. it contradicted the officer's testimony that he was trying to run him over. however, the prosecutor declined to bring charges, because deadly force was justified. and also new this morning,

two savannah, georgia, police officers shot overnight, both survived and are expected to recover. officials say they were trying to make a traffic stop when the driver took off. one of those suspects was shot and killed. i tell you, watching these stories makes you wonder what's going on the in the world, but how about the world series? what a start we had to baseball's fall classic. the kansas city royals and new york mets takes fans on an emotional roller coaster. 14 innings! it didn't end until after 1:30 in the morning. there was also a power outage. some fans at home in the dark wondering what's going on. andy scholes supposedly crying? four minutes and you start to cry? >> i was okay, chris, during that brief delay. it wasn't anything like a super bowl light outage last night. only six minutes. but, you know, chris, this was the second longest world series game ever. it took five hours and nine

minutes to complete. the game finally ended around 1:30 a.m. eastern this morning. and this game had itall, including that power outage you were just talking about, knocked the broadcast off the air momentarily. happened in the bottom of the fourth. the game delayed about six minutes when fox's broadcast truck actually lost power. they decided to continue the game without instant replay. viewers only missed one batter before fox took the international feed of the broadcast. big story last night was big pitcher edinson volquez, pitching this game with a heavy heart. royals say that volquez didn't know about his father's death until after he came out of the game, but either way, he played a great game. now, bottom of the night, mets were two outs away from winning this one when alex gordon took deep. bottom of the 14th, this was a big play for the mets.

david wright, the throwing error allows escobar to get on base. then three bars later, eric casbra comes to the plate. he would hit a sacrifice fly, that would end this marathon as the royals take a wild game one 5-4. a quick turnaround for game two. it's tonight at eight eastern. the royals are going to counter with johnny cueto. i don't want to be a downer for the mets fans, but 17 out of the last 20 game one winners including the last five have gone on to win the world series. it's amazing they'll have to buck that trend. >> can we also talk about the commitment of east coast sports fans? that game went until 1:30 in the morning. >> that took stamina even just watching it. >> i don't know how y'all do it. >> that's because we're old. to young people, 1:30 in the morning is not -- >> if you have to get up and go to work. >> but no one gets up when we

do. this is unnatural, what we do. but you know what's tough about that game, when it goes that long, it can hurt a little bit more than a normal game. >> i totally agree. and big series are all about swings of emotion. it's all about how you come back. back to one of our top stories now. will that south carolina school officer who was involved in the arrest of the student here, will he lose his job today? we could learn his fate as early as noon. the justice department and the fbi opens a civil rights investigation. we'll look at the legal fallout, next.

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all right. so it gets deeper. the fbi and the department of justice both launching civil rights investigations into the violent classroom arrest of a south carolina high school student, actually, two students were arrested. were the officer's actions justified, which means okay in the eyes of the law? if not, what should have been done? these are the questions. for perspective, matthew horace, the senior vice president of fjc

professor services. and moe ivory here for the cause as well. thank you both. one of the big questions when this story started is how did this begin, because where the video picks up. we now understand better from the second student who was arrested in this situation, she's made a statement on television. here it is. >> we've heard about his reputation and we've heard he's a really -- i don't want to say -- yeah, i can say, dangerous man to get involved with on that level. >> i've been told by a number of the students that he is referred to as officer slam, as opposed to officer fields. and that's telling. >> that's her opinion on the officer. that is what it is. however, she also said, what happened is the girl's on her cell phone. the teacher said, get off the phone. she said, no. she said, give m refused to tur over the cell phone, then the

school resource officer was called, which is really just another way of saying a police officer. when you see this, there is obvious outrage. however, you say, let's start with the first moment he puts his hand on the student and you can tell a different story, which is what? >> i think the story is, anytime you go to affect an arrest, if a person is being noncompliant -- >> is that what he was doing? >> i think we heard him say, if you don't do this, i am going to arrest you. so he decided at that point he was going to arrest her and take her out of the classroom. >> let's do the analysis step by step. let's take one step back, what do you believe, mo, the officer should have done before saying, i'm now going to arrest you? >> i think the officer should have told the teacher right away, why don't we remove the other students from the classroom if you think this is a big enough problem. but i think the teacher is where it really begins, even before the officer was called. because in 2015, what teacher doesn't know how to deal with a student who doesn't want to give

up their cell phone? >> mo -- >> it just doesn't seem like a big enough problem. >> we have both heard from teemps all over the country who say, i don't know what to do, i feel powerless, i'm afraid i'm going to get sued, they don't listen. so he calls the assistant vice principal, we are told, reportedly. i don't know if the person doesn't show up or whatever happens, then she goes to the officer, the resource officer. so let's say she could have maybe handled her classroom better, but she didn't. she now calls this officer. the officer says to the kid, get up, get up, get up. no, no, no. now you say, matthew horace, it is right for the officer to move into arrest mode. with a high school student. that's what's fueling a lot of the outrage. what's happened here, it's gone from a disciplined issue, from the teacher to the vice principal and now becomes a police matter. the police were called and the principal and the teacher asked the police to remove the student. those were the instructions that the officer was given. once that has been made and an officer puts his hands on an individual and says, i need to

take you out of this room, the dynamics totally change. and we can talk about whether it should be there or not, but that situation changed as soon as he put his hands on -- >> yes, you're a highly decorated officer, you're not just an average officer, but let's take it as low as we can go. the most average person, would you have done what you saw in that video? >> once i have given the command for the student to get up a number of times and the time has waned down, it's time for that student to get up and time to put hands on and affect an arrest, if an arrest is appropriate. >> mo? >> no, chris, i totally disagree. i believe that the training -- and from everything that i've are trained, and even from the sheriff who spoke about this, he did not follow proper procedure. because the first thing that he should have done was to try to de-escalate the situation, not affect an arrest. because in a school, he's also taught different methods to deal with students that welcome unruly or don't handle themselves correctly. she was not even unruly. all she was doing was very

quietly saying, i am not going to give up my cell phone. there could have been a number of ways he could have de-escalated that situation without touching her. >> no one is saying that what the kid did was right. everyone gets the kid should have gave up the phone. yes, the parents have responsibility, but let's stay with the circumstance. what's your question you had for mo? >> i've been listening to this on the radio for the last two days. each time this happens in america, can we make all the students in the classroom leave so that the police officer or the teacher can now deal with this one student? >> now, the parents in the country, many of them will say, no, i don't want my kid compromised because of the bad kid in the class. >> this is an untenable, optical situation for law enforcement -- >> how is it untenable. why couldn't you have just dragged the desk out -- >> i'll tell you why. this is why. once i put my hands on someone, particularly someone else's child, i cannot win the battle

of the optics. once a person decides they're not going to comply with lawful commands, i just can't win >> what about the other sides of the analysis on that, mo, when a cop tells you to do something, you may win. you may hire mo ivory and show it was a wrong command, an abuse of process, an abuse of power, but in that moment when you are told to comply with an officer and you decide to resist, you are asking for force? >> no, you are not asking for force. you are saying you are being 16 years old and you are saying, i do not want to give up my cell phone, which should be something that any resource officer in a high school should not how to deal with. i don't think that that says, okay, now please slam me to the floor like a rag doll and drag me across the floor. i don't know why anybody doesn't see this situation as totally an abuse -- an assault, anything that you want to call it. >> i wouldn't say it's fairly divided so far in terms of the response we've gotten, mo, but there are a lot of people saying, enough with these kids who don't listen, the cop is a cop, this is what they do.

what are you hearing, hamatthew? >> i'm hearing both sides of the fence. on the radio last night, there are equal number of people who are saying, when she first got asked to leave the classroom, she should have got up and left the classroom. she got up a second time and didn't. then it escalates to a police matter because the teachers decide we need police presence, but we don't like what happens when the police officer come. we can't have it both ways. >> chris, i had a conversation with my listeners last night about whether or not we should even have police officers in schools. and many, many people overwhelming believe police officers should be in schools, but not acting in that manner. >> and that's why we have some work to do here. on the one hand, you see what happened in sacramento, california, where the lunchroom turns into a mob scene, who's going to help? the mass shootings, who's going to help? but when you get in these situations, it's a different perspective. nick, over to you. the discussion continues. >> it will continue right here on "new day," in fact. right now, politics.

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ben carson surging into the lead nationally ahead of tonight's republican debate. carson holding a four-point margin over donald trump in the cbs news/"new york times" poll. trump now pleading with voters to get behind him after two iowa polls show carson's lead widening. house republicans scrambling to secure enough votes to pass a bipartisan budget agreement. gop leaders expressing confidence that the measure could pass as early as today. that deal spares seniors a major increase in medicare premiums. it also increases domestic and defense spending. this morning, house republicans vote privately on paul ryan's

nomination to be the next speaker. a full vote will happen tomorrow morning. the senate approving a controversial cybersecurity measure that would give legal protections to companies that share information with the federal government. like your information. critics say the legislation lacks adequate privacy protections for everyday americans. the senate measure now has to be reconciled with a bill already passed by the house. all right, well, the pentagon considering putting boots on the ground to fight isis in syria. so this morning, we bring you to the front lines. cnn was there as kurdish fighters geared up for an all-out offensive. we have a live report for you, next.

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good to have you back with us here on "new day." the white house escalating the fight against isis. defense secretary ash carter announcing the u.s. will soon begin, quote, direct action on the ground in iraq and syria. meanwhile, kurdish fighters in northern syria are making process against isis and are preparing for a u.s.-backed defensive against the terror's strongholds. cnn's international

correspondent clarissa ward spent several days on the front lines and joins us live from erbil, iraq. >> good morning, alisyn. we spent time in areas that have recently been liberated from isis, but you won't find anyone on the ground celebrating. and that's because the damage that has been left behind is so enormous, and people are still so uncertain about what the future holds. weeks ago, these dusty planes were held by isis. this is what's left of its presence now. the charred remains of a training camp hidden in a pine forest. it's where isis trained an elite unit of suicide bombers that attacked kurdish positions with devastating effect. kurdish fighters known as the ypg took this entire area from isis in august, but holding it, along a front line more than 400 miles long, is a huge challenge. in the shadow of mt. abdulazeez,

the commander told us he had lost 30 of his fighters in a recent battle when isis came down from the mountain. >> translator: the enemy attacked us with a large number of fighters, using heavy weapons. they took control of three villages and after that, the clashes lasted for hours until we were in control again. >> reporter: he is a battalion commander, but this is the size of his battalion. a handful of poorly equipped men. the nearest friend lly forces a miles away. the cost of pushing isis out has been enormous. streets here are draped of the flags of fighters killed in battle, along desolate roads, through abandoned villages, we saw scene upon scene of devastation. the wreckage of months of fierce fighting and relentless coalition air strikes. dozens of villages like this one that were liberated from isis months ago are now still completely deserted.

that's partly because the isis militants before they retreated planted land mines and booby traps all across this area, but it's also because many people here aren't convinced that isis won't be coming back. in this tiny village, we met a woman who's lived her all her life. she told us she was too afraid to leave home when isis was in control. that they beat and killed people and brought misery upon the community. there were no air strikes before they arrived and then the strikes started. there was one next to me. we were scared of everything. not just isis. are you still afraid, i ask? she says not, but glances warily at the kurdish ypg fighters with us. the kurds question the loyalty of many of these villages, claiming they harbor isis sympathizers. the killing may have stopped, but there is no peace here.

one of the main problems you have now in syria is that the ethnic and sectarian divisions are so deep, after years and years of fighting, we drove through one village where a little boy was actually chanting "god bless isis." and another kurdish fighter said to us, yes, we are syrians, but we are kurds, first. >> clarissa, thanks so much for that insight as to what's going on over there. great to have your reporting. well, after dancing with the media for the past three months, donald trump now says we're scum. so which candidate is using the media to best advantage this week? it's a surprising one, that's next. it's back t-mobile's most popular family plan. get 4 lines with up to 10 gigs of 4g lte data, each. no sharing just $30 bucks a line need new phones for the family? get the samsung galaxy s6 for zero upfront, and just ten bucks a month.

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the media is rated -- and you're right. they're scum. they're horrible people. they are horrible people. >> hey, i resemble that mark. candidates and the media, it's often a love/hate relationship. so who is doing best that week? joining us now, cnn contributor and author of "the war for late night," and frank sesno, also the former washington bureau chief for cnn. gentleman, thanks so much. you guys are scum, as donald trump would say. let's talk about, bill, what donald trump is going. he's used the media so effectively -- >> who's done it better? >> no one has done it better these past three months. why is he seeing a dip? >> i think it's partly because someone else is resonating and he's having trouble with that. but he's basically a creature of the media. he's a person who's used it extremely well and it's built him up. so now the turn on the media is sort of like, you know, captain reno saying there's gambling in rick's cafe.

>> i'm shocked! >> how can you be shocked by it? >> he's skillful at it, he knows what he's doing, and no candidate ever loses votes by attacking the media. >> and next saturday, he'll be on "saturday night live," so will he turn around this relationship he has with the media? >> i don't think so. donald trump is nothing but a poll watcher and knows he ignites the outrage factor in a lot of people. people are outraged by the media. he's quite right. our status with the public in the polls has consistently been miserable, so shoot the messenger. but he'll go on "saturday night live," see if he has a second act, he'll ignite a different crowd. but i think donald trump's real problem here is he's starting to sound like a rerun. it's the same old thing over and over again. the trick in running for president is you've got to be out there all the time, but sometimes you've got to be sounding like you're saying something new. >> somebody who's doing something new is ben carson. let's talk about how ben carson has been using the media.

he's using new media. he has used facebok incredibly effectively. he has 4.3 million likes on facebook. i believe that's more than donald trump. and he also is sort of using facebook to give this very personal view into himself and his family. he put -- in fact, his wife actually posted something on facebook. this was a post from candy, his wife, talking about her husband, and sharing this sweet personal photo. is that what's allowed him to surge? >> well, partly, that's it. and i think even when you do see him on television, he's very low-key, he's very considerate. sort of the anti-trump like that. he's not outrageous in his performance. what he says can be seen as outrageous, and that will be interesting to see. he's now moved in front. there'll be more scrutiny on him. and when there's more scrutiny on him, he'll get more on the griddle. but you have to remember, there are also different sorts of media. there's a conservative media that he can appear on and be celebrated, and what he's saying

there is not seen as outrageous. >> frank, jeb bush is also doing something unusual, with new media. just yesterday, he put out this, let's call it a nostalgia reel on twitter and it showed sort of pictures and some commentary of him and what he liked so much about being governor. and that was interesting. that, also, got a lot of reaction. so jeb seems to be taking a page from new media. >> i'm not sure i understand the strategy behind that, though. he's reminding people he was governor. he's reminding people he had a job in politics, but this discussion is about the future, not the past. people know he is the past. they know his last name is bush. if anything, the past has been a liability for him. that's why tonight's debate is so important. he has got to figure out how to merge some personality, some fire in the belly, some media, new and traditional, with some excitement about the future and where he's going to take people. that has been his problem. i think pictures about how he was governor and how he did florida years ago is not

something that's going to ignite the republican party and move him out of single digits. >> you know, viewers ask me, often, why do you guys put trump on? why do you spend so much time on donald trump? why don't you interview hillary? and i have one simple answer for him, he says yes. >> he's available. >> that's what's odd about him attacking the media. these been universally available. he has used every outlet he can possibly find. and hillary has been very judicious. she was under the gun, she was really reeling for a long time. but interestingly now, you see her emerging because she had a very good week. she appeared on with stephen colbert last night and it was almost like a victory lap. everything's going well, all of a sudden, and she played it very well. she was a guest on "saturday night live," too. >> but is it the same going on "saturday night live" and stephen colbert as actually coming on cnn and facing tough questions? >> it's not the same, but you know, the way the world works now, it is an extension of. because these candidates have to

do all these media. you know, what ben carson is doing with facebook is he's targeting narrow demographics with very specific messages, and that's what hillary was doing last night. when she goes on colbert, she was going to one audience. when she goes on cnn or cnbc or anyplace, she goes to another audience. she was relaxed, funny. last night, she was trying to show her personal side. she had a pretty good free pass from stephen colbert. that was the next best thing rolling that get-to-know-me video from the convention. so these candidates know all these different media and use them and play to each one's audience. >> so i know you both were watching hillary clinton last night, but there was this little thing called the world series. >> i was going back and forth. >> what happened about this four-minute blackout. the fox satellite truck went down? >> it was stunning to me. i said to someone else, this would never happen to us. we would rehearse this. we would know what to do.

it took them forever to figure out to fix it and they went to the other feed. by the way, they never missed any of the commercials. >> talk about old school media, your satellite truck going down. >> you know, that happened to cnn 100,000 years ago, it's not supposed to happen anymore. it's a bad thing and a bad thing when you have millions and millions and millions of people watching. and there are redundancies. there are systems for this. >> you'd think! >> we don't want to miss a moment of you, so we know what we're supposed to do if there's a problem. >> well done. frank, bill, great to talk to you guy. please tweet us using #newdaycnn or post your comment on facebook. we're following a lot of news this morning. let's get right to it. even though she was wrong for disturbing the class, i'm looking at what our deputy did. >> will officer ben fields keep his job? >> we've heard that he's a

really dangerous man. iowa, what hell are you people doing to me?! >> reporter: dr. ben carson is going toe to toe with the entire republican field. >> please do me a favor. let me win iowa. >> he and carson start getting locked in a murder/suicide pack. that is the best thing for the candidates beneath them. >> we've lost our picture. >> a five hour, 9 minute game one, the first game of this 111th world series. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota, and michaela pereira. >> good morning, everyone. welcome back to your new day. in a matter of just hours, a police officer who body slammed that student in her south carolina classroom will learn whether he still has a job. officer ben fields has been suspended without pay after video of that arrest sparked national outrage. >> fields' boss says the girl

also bears responsibility. this as the fbi and justice department launch civil rights investigations. we have cnn's martin savage live in columbia, south carolina, with the very latest, which is? >> reporter: good morning, chris. we are all standing by waiting to hear what will be the fate of this particular officer. the sheriff here says he was going to act pretty quickly on this matter. it's expected that could come as early as midday, today. in other words, it could be high noon for officer ben fields. the 16-year-old high school student violently thrown to the ground by school resource officer ben fields claims she does have injuries to her arm and face, at least according to her attorney. the fbi now investigating. >> she may have had a lot of rug burn or something like that, but she was not injured. >> in the incident report, the south carolina sheriff's deputy said she used muscling techniques, after she refused his request to get up. then according to the report,

she hit him in the chest with a closed fist. >> i don't want anybody to think just the fact that she did strike an officer, that's justifications for some of the actions he took. >> we heard about his reputation and we've heard that he's a really, i guess i could say, dangerous man. >> reporter: the second student arrested, 18-year-old nia kenny said it all started when the 16-year-old refused to hand over her phone to the math teacher, and that's when fields was called in to remove her. kenny says she was crying, screaming at the officer, fields then arresting her for disturbing school. >> he said, you got something you want to say? you want some of this too? and i was just like, no, and i just put my hands behind my back. >> reporter: in 2007, army veteran carlos martin filed a lawsuit against officer fields, claiming he used excessive force when questioning him and his wife about a noise complaint. the jury ruled in fields' favor in 2010. but martin claims race was a factor in his arrest. >> when i saw the video, it just

reminded me of all the nightmares and what i've been going through for ten years. >> reporter: a student in the classroom who posted this video said that fields is, quote, a cool dude, and not racist. still, many parents of the richland ii school district are outraged, are outraged, as well as school officials. >> this individual, we've made it clear we don't want him back on our schoolgrounds or in our schools and that's been a permanent request we've made. >> the sheriff has said that when he saw those videos from the classroom that made him absolutely sick to his stomach, he has not said how he is going to rule on the case of officer fields, but it's never a good thing when a boss says that what you do nearly made him throw up. >> well, the situation, no matter how you look at it is disturbing. so martin, let us know what happens down there. in terms of the analysis, we have what happened before the video. we have, what else could the teacher have done? and then we do have what the officer did and could have done. and we look at him through the

lens of what he did in that video and also what he has done before. it is important to note that this is not the first time this officer has been accused of excessive force. army veteran, carlos martin, as you heard, he had been involved with this officer. he said he recognized ben fields the instant he saw that video, because fields treated him the exact same way, he says, ten years ago. carlos martin joins us now. now, it is important to note, mr. martin, thank you for joining us here, your case against the officer was dismissed. there is another case pending against him, but with that as context, tell us, what was your experience? >> basically, i was coming home from work, i just got done doing a uniform inspection. officer fields was already in the neighborhood. i was going to my apartment. when we crossed paths, i acknowledged him by nodding my head. i was going to put the keys in the door and i heard a car peel off. the officer looked at me, he's like, i'm out here for a noise violation. i said, it couldn't have been me. i handed him my information.

he didn't understand the information i handed him, because i gave him my paper license, i called him dude, he didn't like me calling him dude, he threw me down and started beating on me. >> he says, show me your i.d., at some point. you showed him a paper license? >> no, i showed him all the registration i had, but i gave him the paper license from the alaska d.o.d.. >> he looks at it and says, what is this? and you explained. >> and i was like, dude, just calm down. >> he was already exorcised? >> yeah. >> he's like dude, just calm down. he's like, i'm a richland county law, don't call me dude. i'm like, you addressed me by, hey, you. and he's like, i don't know your name, and i was like, i don't want know your name, either.

and he slammed me down on the ground. >> and what did he do? you're a big guy? >> at the time, i was 190 or whatever else. actually, i got in the gym after that. but what he did to me is started making all these racial comments. >> he puts you on the ground and there were racial comments? >> and that was all done on the internal affairs report, which is already proven. >> the neighbor goes to get my wife at the time, tatiana, she comes out and takes pictures of the situation. he calls for backup. all the women and children that were watching, used to come to football games, whatever else, and they watch officer fields beat on me. he gets nervous. >> how many times does he hit you? >> countless times. he gets nervous and basically calls for backup? >> were you fighting? >> not at all. i was laying on the ground, as you can see, protecting myself, curled up in a ball. >> why do you feel the need to

keep hitting you? >> i don't know. he used a whole can of mace. when the backup came, they tack attacked my wife. they put her against the car, handcuffed her, picked her up while she was handcuffed and slammed her against the ground, face first. >> so now what happens? >> we went through the lawsuit. tatiana had a chance for her case to be presented. she's the one who didn't win her case. they said she was too close who took the picture. and the judge admitted to knowing someone on the jury, which is illegal. >> your ex-wife's case got dismissed because of some technicality. what about your case? >> i never had an opportunity to go to court. what happened was, my lawyer basically tricked me out of my case. he basically told me if i dropped -- accepted the charges from the police, that we would go sue for all the other charges as far as me losing my marriage and my job and everything else, and these were the bigger facts, or whatever else, and drop this charge, and he would represent me pro bono.

once i dropped that charge and whatever else and i had written in the letter to him, he's like, oh, i'm charging you $20,000. >> so that's somewhat outside of what matters in terms of our analysis. so he arrested you. what happened to the charges against you? >> he was found not guilty on all charges. the judge gave us direct guilty of not being guilty. they also committed perjury on the stand for lying about pictures they deleted. because we took more than two pictures. she took between 10 to 15 pictures, but they deleted evidence from the racial comments. he admitted to all of it already. >> so the headline is, you were arrested, but found not guilty on all charges. it didn't go to trial, you're saying? you're saying the judge took the case and gave a directed verdict? >> correct. >> which means his acknowledgement of the facts meant it didn't need to go to anybody else. >> correct. >> all right. so then you didn't wind up suing this officer. so that takes us to -- >> no, i am suing the officer, but my case is in the united states supreme court. >> you're going a different way. >> correct. >> you believe when you see this

video, you're not surprised, this isn't about the circumstances as presented to the officer, you believe this is his instinct how to act in a situation? >> absolutely. and i'm not even surprised his actions is that. i'm more surprised that sheriff lot continues allow him to do the same thing. the reason why he's at the school he's at is because he beat me up and they moved him to the school and put him around children. >> why would they take an officer who had a force issue and put him in a school? >> that is the question of the day. >> now, there is all this hearsay on the ground there. basically, at this point, you have to almost dismiss it as gossip. cops get cases against them. it happens. they're dealing with bad situations. it's not to excuse their behavior, but it's part of the job sometimes. kids there say he has a reputation. >> absolutely. >> in the neighborhood where you live, is that true? is this something that followeded this particular officer? >> well, the children in the neighborhood all watched him beat on me, so it's no surprise he did the same thing or was not afraid to do it in the school. >> and you say he was making racial comments? >> it's already documented. he admits to the racial

comments. and me as a soldier and my wife as a soldier protect the laws of this country, who protects us when we come back home? >> the idea that this man can't be racist, he had a girlfriend who was black, what does that married? >> that doesn't mean anything. black people can be racist against other black people, so what does it mean? >> what do you think should happen? >> i think he should be removed from his position and instead of complaining about the problems, let's come up with a solution. and i think the solution should be bridging the gap between the police officers and the public and how do you do that? i think police officers should be body cams before they go make any type of an arrest. i think they should do retraining about how to deal with the public. but at the same time, i think the public should be officered classes about the different laws and how to encounter the situation. is everyone going to go? no. but i think they should be made available and start doing things where the community and public can do things, the police department can do things together. >> what would you have been done

if you wouhad been called and t teacher says, i can't get this kid out of the classroom and you were a police officer? >> i think it's more about a conversation. i don't think it take officer fields to flip a child, throw the child across the classroom and handcuff her down, it's very unnecessary. it's the difference between being a police officer and a bully. >> carlos martin, thank you very much for sharing your story. i know it's not a story you like to tell. we appreciate it. we need to understand as much as we can, as many different perspectives as we can get. alisyn? >> actually, i'll take it here, chris. if you want to get in on this conversation, you can post your comments on social media. but also, with so many officer-involved shootings making headlines lately, president obama essentially walking a bit of a tightrope in a speech to police chiefs. he said, america is safer because of their efforts, but the prth also addressed concerns about racial profiling and excessive force. michelle kosinski is live at the white house. quite a conundrum for the president. >> you got it exactly right. you're speaking before the

police chief, so you can hear him being extremely careful. and when he talked about racial bias, it can go both ways, and the relationship between police and communities is a two-way street. he also seemed to be addressing those controversial comments made by the fbi director last week, when he said because police are under such scrutiny now, some might be holding back some on the job, and that could lead to more crime. well, the white house has domestic disputed that. and the president in his comments said, well, you can't cherry pick facts and rely on anecdotes. on guns, the president has said he'll keep speaking out about it and he used some stats of his own. listen. >> since 9/11, fewer than 100 americans have been murdered by terrorists on american soil. 400,000 have been killed by gun violence. that's like losing the entire population of cleveland or minneapolis over the past 14 years. >> you know, without using his name, he also answered the comments made by donald trump

that president obama is trying to take away everybody's guns. the president denied he's trying to do that and urged people to use their votes to show that they want universal background checks and to keep assault weapons from falling into the wrong hands. alisyn? >> michelle, thanks so much for that. well, the u.s., to begin stepping up attacks on isis in syria and iraq, including taking, quote, direct action on the ground. defense secretary ash carter telling the senate armed services committee that the strategy shift will mean more air strikes and special operations raids. jim sciutto is live in washington with more. jim, after all of the debate, the long debate about this, now it seems to be moving quickly. >> no question. this is something that has white house has resisted since the start of military action against isis. in fact, the president assured it would not happen, but now hard options on the table for a more forward roll for u.s. troops in iraq. this is the way the defense secretary broke it down on the hill yesterday. he calls it the three rs.

he says there will be more raids like the one we saw last thursday with u.s. delta force involved in that raid to free those hostages, where a delta force operator died. also, more operations targeting raqqa. this is isis' stronghold on the ground in syria, and ramadi, one of its main strongholds on the ground in iraq, just west of baghdad. u.s. forces supporting local forces on the ground. here is how secretary carter laid it out on the hill yesterday. >> we won't hold back from supporting capable partners in opportunistic attacks against isil, or conducting such missions directly. whether by strikes from the air or direct action on the ground. >> that direct action includes u.s. special forces, supporting local troops on the ground, like we saw with the delta force and those kurdish commandos on thursday, but also, you heard from the chief of staff, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff on the hill yesterday, saying that they might also forward deploy u.s. advisers with iraqi units on the front

lines. these could be ground controllers calling in air strikes or advisers up there helping them take the fight to isis, that would put, if the president approves these options, much closer to combat. and the danger now on the ground there, not just combat from isis, et cetera, but you have russian war planes in the air, bombing really anyone who threatens the regime of bashar al assad, that includes some forces that the u.s. supports on the ground. it's a very dangerous theater and we saw that danger last week when one u.s. soldier was killed, the first in four years on the ground in iraq. and they'll continue to face that kind of danger. alisyn? >> jim, i'll take it. and as we've both been hearing, there are guns pointed in all directions on the ground there. a very complicated situation. another complicated situation, china. not backing down on its claims in the contested south china sea. the chinese authorities have now summoned the u.s. ambassador after a navy warship passed within 12 nautical miles of china's controversial man-made islands there.

a maneuver china's foreign service minister calls extremely irresponsible on the part of the u.s., but the u.s. says there will be more patrols near the island chain soon. happening overnight, a bit of a scare in the air for an american airlines flight crew. a laser light trained on the cockpit of an airbus 832 from phoenix to san diego. thankfully, that plane landed safely. there were reports the pilot needed medical attention after touching down. that is being denied by the airline. this is the second laser incident impacting a commercial flight in the area in the last month. all right, well, game one of the world series is still going on at this hour. >> oh, is it? >> just kidding! the mets and the royals battled for 14 hours before kansas city finally won. woop-woop! there was also a lot of drama because a power outage knocked the telecast off the air. >> this is game one. >> it's a record. >> can they have more drama?

>> i don't know. andy kennedy? >> i don't know. but one thing's for sure, it hurts for mets fans. it took 5 hours, 9 minutes to complete and the game finally ended around 1:20 eastern this morning. the biggest story is royals pitcher edinson volquez, his father passed away earlier in the day in the dominican republic, and there are conflicting reports about whether or not he knew about that before taking the mound. the royals says volquez's wife requested that he not know about his father until the end of the game, but a source say that he found out on the way from the ballpark. allowed three runs in six innings before leaving the game to be whith his family. alex gordon deep to tie the game. the first run given up all season. and eric hosmer will end the inning, sac by fly.

as for that power outage, guys, it took place in the fourth inning. the game was delayed for about six minutes because fox's broadcast truck lost power. after conferring with joe torres, the mets and royals agreed to continue the game without instant replay. viewers only missed one batter before fox took the international feed. but fans not knowing when the game would resume on tv started freaking out on twitter. this tweet says, this is fox right now with homer simpson dumping water all over control panels. another tweet said, here's a live shot from fox's headquarters. apparently, bill murray works there. and my personal favorite from last night, apparently hot and chewie helped get the broadcast back on the air. they flew the millennial falcon and were working on the truck out there in the parking lot. >> i love chewie, fixes things and solves problems.

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would you get the numbers up, iowa, please? this is ridiculous. i mean, i am second. it's not like terrible. but, i don't like being second. second is terrible to me. >> that was donald trump, pleading for support in iowa, ahead of tonight's third gop debate. a new cbs news/"new york times" poll shows 71% of republican voters are still undecided today. so maybe begging will work with them. let's bring in our cnn political commentators. we have kevin madden. he's a republican strategist, and paul begala, a democratic strategist. also senior adviser to a pro-hillary super pac. kevin, let me start with you. what do you think of this new strategy of trump's called begging? >> well, what's not new is that he has constantly pointed to the polls as the reason people

should support him. and now that those polls are starting to show a trend line that's going in the other direction, you know, blaming voters for these polls out in iowa doesn't seem like that smart of a strategy. look, i know donald trump says he doesn't get it, but i get it. and anybody who's worked on campaigns gets it. the voters out in iowa, these are professional voters. they're taking a look at the candidates and judging whether or not they have the temperament and the vision to be the president of the united states. they're getting to that process now, where they're selecting a leader of the free world. and as a result, i think trump's numbers are starting to come down. but, there's still a lot of time here. that 71% number that we've seen in "the new york times" poll. >> we can put that up. >> yeah, that has to be viewed as an extraordinary opportunity by these other campaigns that a lot of these voters haven't sent in yet, and there is a chance for them to go out and grow

their support as they get closer and closer to the caucuses and primaries early next year. >> certainly, that is the only poll number that the rest of the field is paying attention to right now. that and trump's built-in negative. they don't have the same case with ben carson. paul, let me ask you something. what we're seeing with trump, he's trying to find out how to get to that next gear. he struggles with the media. he uses the media, because he cherry-picks media. he likes to frequent the places that give him a pass. so he's struggling with the media. that's about trump specifically. how about the party in general? what do you see as a political opponent of the gop of what is going on within that party that creates opportunity for your side? >> well, they seem to be ignoring the very fine autopsy they did after they lost to barack obama the last time. that autopsy says, we have to do more to reach out to latinos and other people of color in america, to young people, to women. they seem to be ignoring all of that. why? because their voters want them to. they're following their voters, okay? this is not a problem of

leadership only in the republican party. it's a problem with those base voters, not all republicans, but those base voters, those activist voters. and what they seem to want most of all is someone who will bash immigrants. i think tonight in that debate, you'll see donald trump go back to act i, not act ii. he needs an act ii, but he's not going to do that. in his announcement speech, he exploded on to the scene with some very insendicendiary comme about mexican immigrants. and there's about 25% of the republican electorate that seems to respond very favorably about that. >> kevin, do you have the same assessment? is that what they want, to bash immigrants? >> i think paul is talking about some folks who are very vocal. and i think there's a large swath of the republican electorate that really does care about the future of this country. how we grow the economy, how we make the nation more secure and more prosperous. and i think those voters are the

ones that are ultimately going to decide who the nominee is. tonight's debate, because there is a focus on the economy, does provide a lot of these other candidates, like jeb bush, marco rubio, carly fiorina, those that have said, this has been a campaign that's too much about personality, it's too much about donald trump bragging about polls, and it's not enough about substance in the direction we want to take the party and the country. this is an extraordinary opportunity for them to show command on the issues and really provide an agenda that is visionary for the party and the country, in a way that helps consolidate that larger swath of the republican party that really does care about those issues. and is more defined by what they're for and not defined by what they're against. >> we haven't seen that so far in the field, but that will usually be the way forward. kevin makes a couple of interesting points. first of all, the cnbc debate is a tailored debate. it being mostly about business issues and financial fiscal

issues, paul, it's going to create a challenge for ben carson. this has not been a strong suit for him, thus far. but tonight is a chance and a test for him to show how well he'll do. what do you hear about there being a sea change tonight? kasich not just speaking off the cuff. this is a new direction for him, saying, enough is enough. trying to take this race back. we heard the same from former governor sununu, and he is very plugged in terms of the upper echelon in the tactics. >> i was not at the bush family retreat, but he's trying to retool and get back into this. i think kevin's advice is right. they need to talk about what they're for. the democrats did, there was a minor tussle between hillary and bernie, but mostly the democrats talked about what they were for and they prospered. i don't think they're going to listen to you, madden, they're not as smart as you. dr. carson seems to not be able to go five minutes without

making an analogy to hitler or slavery. i'm not quite sure how he will get them -- maybe capital gains taxes or something. you watch. i went to college with mike g gotlin, who coined gotlin's law. every time dr. carson hits those buttons, which i think are crazy, he moves. not despite his incendiary comments, but because of them. and so does mr. trump. so if you're john kasich who has done the yeoman's work of trying to run his state of ohio, he can't get a word in edgewise, he'll have to say something equally crazy. >> did you hear him lace that in there, that republicans like talking about nazis. >> very quickly, guys, we have to talk about, kevin, i'll pose it to you, what's happening with hillary clinton in iowa. she's a 41-point lead now over

bernie sanders. is that about biden dropping out or benghazi? >> i think it has more about biden dropping out. now it's become essentially a two-person race. we always saw in the previous polls where hillary clinton had a lower ceiling was because a lot of her support maybe sometimes, 15 to 20% of that was going to biden. and that has now swung back towards hillary clinton. i think the atmospherics have changed for hillary clinton, in a way that is helping her right now. but the fundamentals that she has on questions about her trust, on questions about her relatability for voters, i think that's what's going to help her going forward. >> were those jazz hands? >> i was going for the grand. >> you achieved it. a question, do police officers belong in the classroom? that question being debated after the violent arrest of a

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third debate tonight for the gop. it's going to be a big deal. it's going to be the university of colorado. there are going to be fireworks, because you got a new leader coming into the polls and his name isn't trump. what do you think we're going to be watching for? let's get it from the perspective of a party member who's also an elected official. republican congressman from colorado, scott tipton. thank you for joining us. let me state a proposition for you. do you believe the gop is the party, more so, of trump and carson, or of bush, rubio, and maybe kasich? >> you know, i think right now, it's a very fluid situation. if we step back to the last presidential election at this time, we saw rick perry and herman cain leading the polls. the poll that you just released in the previous segment saying 71% of republican voters have yet to make up their mind, i think it's going to be very fluid and i think coloradans are really looking for people that are coming forward with solutions to address some of the challenges that we have in our state and in our country as

well. >> do you think that the people at the top of the polls now will be there six months from now? >> you know, i think it's hard to say. there's a lot of frustration, certainly, in the state of colorado and nationwide. wanting to be able to see progress, to be able to get this economy moving. to be able to get our people back to work. and i think the candidates come forward with those best solutions will be the ones that will rise to the top. and i think, again, it's a very fluid situation, and these debates are going to be able to help allow the candidates to have that opportunity, to be able to give their vision for where america can go. >> do you think the best solutions have been what is motivating ben carson and donald trump to stay in the top of the polls? >> i think we see a common thing, frankly, through all of the republican candidates. it's about getting the economy moving. we've seen a washington that's grown too big, too cumbersome, and we've got to have solutions that are going to empower the

american people to be able to provide those opportunities for our families, to be able to have good prospects looking forward and to be able to have some of that security that they need not only economically, but in terms of their personal safety as well. >> i know that people in your party are scratching their heads. you know, a lot of republicans talk about how we had perry and cain. they were not like donald trump and ben carson. they didn't represent the same things politically. they weren't as unorthodox, this is different, what you guys are dealing with. and we heard that frustration voiced by governor kasich. do you feel where he is coming from in terms of saying, i don't want to hear about these guys anymore. this is ridiculous. it's time to get back to what's going to win this election for us? >> we can get back to what's going to win the election for us, but i think it's also noting that there is real frustration in the electorate. people are not seeing the progress they would like to be able to see out of government, because it's impacting them literally at home. their ability to be able to grow jobs, to be able to get a job

oftentimes in our district, and i think those are something that all of the candidates are going to be able to draw from and hopefully to be able to put forward good, positive solutions. >> i know that you haven't picked a candidate yet, but if it were trump or carson, would you get behind them? and do you think you could win the general? >> you know, i listened to the democrat debate and we had the mirror image of hillary clinton and bernie sanders, seeing who could outbid each other to spend more american money. they feel, apparently, we're just one tax increase, one regulation away from prosperity in this country. but it is those policies that are inhibiting our ability to be able to grow the economy. very mindful in the state of colorado. and we're seeing this nationwide. we have the lowest labor participation rate in four decades. for the first time since we've been keeping records, we've seen more small businesses shut down than there are new business start-ups. we've got a lethargic economy

and the people in our district want to be able to have that hope for the future and bigger government, more taxes, more regulation, that's what the democrats are proposing. that's not going to be the solution. i believe our republican nominee is going to be coming out with ideas to be able to empower the american people rather than shackle them with more big government. >> the problems are there. they're obvious and the political cycle suggests that the republicans should win this race. if you look at it historically. and yet, you have two people at the top of your polls that many suggest can't win. how surprised are you that you're in this situation right now? >> well, again, i'll go back to the fluidity and the poll that was mentioned in previous segments. 71% of republican voters have yet to make up their mind. so i think it's going to be very dynamic. i think the ideas that we're seeing out of kasich, fiorina, you know, she was very specific in some of the ideas that she wanted to be able to put forward. i think we'll see this debate continue and i think,

ultimately, we're going to settle on a candidate who's going to address the concerns of the american people and be able win the election. >> well, this is in your state, in your wheelhouse. you're on the house committee on small business. certainly, that's the engine of our economy. hopefully the ideas will be flowing tonight. thank you, congressman, for your perspective. >> thank you, chris. >> alisyn? all right, chris, video of that south carolina student's arrest sparking outrage across the country. should police officers be enforcers of discipline in the classroom? we'll discuss that, next. popular family plan. it's t get 4 lines with up to 10 gigs of 4g lte data, each. no sharing just $30 bucks a line need new phones for the family? get the samsung galaxy s6 for zero upfront, and just ten bucks a month. plus, get a samsung 4g lte tablet on us when you get a new data plan only from t-mobile.

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you will get time for even hurting an animal. this is a child. regardless of what the degree, what the job title is, you do not treat a child like this. >> south carolina parents demanding answers at a school board meeting last night, after watching video of that sheriff's deputy arresting a female high school student by throwing her to the ground. the incident raising questions about whether police officers even belong in schools. our next guest works to improve interactions between young people and police. she knows the challenges well.

li li lisa therow works with youth. so do police officers belong in high schools? >> well, i think they can be very effective in high schools. i know many who are affected, but there have to be some rules in place. and the u.s. department of education has made very clear to school districts, to law enforcement agencies, what those conditions are. and the first is very clear role definition. the second is repeated, rigorous routine training. and the third is clear agreements between the schools and law enforcement agencies about the use of force and the use of arrests in public schools. and i would say in this situation -- >> just let me stop you for one second, you said, sro, that's school resource officer. can you tell us -- it's interesting to hear these guidelines laid out, because it does seem like something broke down in this incident, but what

are they supposed to be doing, if not interceding in moments of defiance, what are sros supposed to be doing every day? >> well, that's the $64 question, which unfortunately we have left up to every school district to answer. and that's part of the problem we're having right now. it is pretty clear that when you have school resource officers doing school discipline, for instance, a child not paying attention to a teacher and looking at a cell phone, which is a disciplinary school incident and really not something that requires law enforcement, when you bring school resource officers into that kind of incident, you see escalation of terrifically minor incidents into these kind of brutal or sometimes arrest situations that lead to young people dropping out. so i would say, if we're using school resource officers for that purpose, that's the wrong purpose. no, they don't belong in school. >> let me just get to this cell phone video, because the reason that we all know about what

happened there is that another student took video of the incident on his cell phone. and then he posted comments with it. and he has an unexpected perspective. let me read to you what this other student said and then have you remark on it. in the comments section, he posted, this officer is a cool dude. he is not racist. girl was asked to put the phone away, but told teacher no. an administrative was called and asked her to come to his office. she told her no. he then called the resource officer. when he got there, he asked her nicely to get up. over and over. he did nothing wrong. he asked her to get up, but she wanted to show off. to some it looks bad, but she wanted to prove that she was bad. what do you say to that? >> well, this is not unusual. this is typical of teen defiant behavior. and there are easy ways to de-escalate this. and the first thing that anyone who works with teenagers know is don't turn this into a power struggle in front of peers where the teen is going to do all sorts of things to come out looking like they're on top.

so -- >> so what do you do? what is the answer if not a power struggle? >> well, there are many de-escalation techniques. there are ways of saying, look, let's not make this an issue. let's do this between us. please step outside. it seems to me the teacher, the administrator, and the school resource officer all need some training here. and it disturbs me to think that a teacher or an administrator needs to call for backup all the time, because then it affects the way teachers and school administrators use their authority. in fact, they seem to cede their authority to police when they with youth one on one. what happened here is not an isolated incident. i'm sure you can find principals and teachers across america saying identical things happened with parents and their cell phones all the time. i can think of 20 sros who would have suggested to that officer a different way to do it. >> in fact, this very school, asked your organization back in

april to provide them with some recommendations, because they thought things were going wrong in their schools between teachers and students, and you gave them recommendations. is that right? >> actually, no, it was advocates in the community who were hearing concerning stories about use of force and arrests and suspensions in that school system by sheriffs and others law enforcement agents, and they asked us to submit a proposal to the richland county sheriff's department, which we did, proposing school resource officer training. and for one reason or another, we never heard back, but i wish i could say this is the only law enforcement agency that has not responded. there's very little investment in training of law enforcement officers, who are really put in a very difficult position between being there for the good of the youth and to enforce laws in a very murky legal position, with even less guidance about what to do with kids who are defiant, or who may have mental

health or special education needs. >> it seems that one thing everyone can agree on is that there needs to be better training. lisa thurau, thanks so much for your expertise. i think we need some levity. ahead of tonight's debate drama, stephen colbert asked hillary clinton if she would rather run against donald trump or ben carson. you'll hear her response, ahead.

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cbs news poll has placed dr. ben carson ahead of donald trump with carson leading 26% to 22%. and with those two leading the gop polls, hillary clinton is salivating at 100%. >> apparently the top political halloween costume this year is donald trump. that is going to be the top costume. meanwhile even jeb bush doesn't want to go out dressed as jeb bush. >> i don't know. >> not the funniest there time? >> they could have done better. >> regetting to be a tough crowd? >> yes. because we've had a hundred days of this. >> i like the colbert thing and i like that she got hillary clinton to talk about what she'd do with the big banks. i like the space he's creating for himself. >> creating late night news on the talk shows zble specially him. for the first time donald trump is going into that republican debate as not number

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. donald trump has fallen to second place behind ben carson. >> he set himself up to look like a failing candidate. >> it's a marathon. it is not a sprint. >> iowa, what the hell are you people doing to me. >> why do you want to be president of the united states? >> hands behind your back. >> even though that's not my daughter i still feel some strong reactions to it. >> seeing her being thrown across the classroom like that is really traumatizing. >> how disruptive was the student. >> he's a battalion commander but this is the size of his battalion. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michael ra pereira. good morning, wednesday

october 28th, 8:00 in the east. we could get a real shake up tonight in the gop debate in colorado. carson topping the polls but he's going into a debate that is discussing economics. it is going to be a challenge for him. we have trump in second. and we have the rest of the field desperate for attention. and that is why we're all looking to tune? >> so with the spotlight on carson what will trump do tonight? and will another candidate pop to the top tier? live in colorado. >> sunlin -- also known as the better snuff. >> good morning. i have to tell you when ben carson hits the stage later tonight he comes with momentum on his side. he'll be standing side by side with donald trump where this tug of war that's emergen e meerjd

recently between the two will be on stage. and aids to the carson campaign say he's ready and planning to take on donald trump. this is what we've seen from trump in the last few days really zeroing in on carson in the campaign trail. very clear that donald trump is not taking his drop very well. here is how he put it to iowa voters last night. >> iowa, what the hell are you people doing to me? i don't like being second. second is terrible. iowa will you get your numbers up, please? will you get these numbers up? i promise you i will do such a good job. by the way before i forget, will you get the numbers up, iowa please? this is ridiculous. please do me a favor. let me win iowa. i refuse to say get your asses in gear. i will not say that. now if i lose iowa i will never speak to you people again. that i can -- >> now this comes as kasich is taking a much more aggressive

and combative tone on the campaign trail. and a sendoff rally yesterday he laid into each and every one of his republican opponents for what he called hysterical policies. >> do you know how crazy this election is? let me tell you something. i've about had it with these people. i am sick and tired of listening to this nonsense. and i'm going to have to call it like it is a as long as i'm in this race. >> the kasich campaign has acknowledged to cnn that this certainly signifies a shift in the strategy that he will take up there on the debate stage. certainly mila we can counted mile as one candidate really going to flip the script tonight. >> it is going to be very interesting. hillary clinton opening up about what motivates her. she appeared on "the late show" with stephen colbert last night. dishing what it's like to run. why she wants it so badly, and how she can get america back on

track. >> you look in the last couple of weeks that you are having fun. >> right. right. >> is it fun to run for president of the united states? >> some days. >> yes. >> some days. it really is fun. some days it is just very hard work. and you do so me vents you do kind of lose track of a where you are. but most days something happens during the day that really makes you feel like yes, i know why i'm doing this. i am so committed. and it is because somebody said something to me on a rope line -- >> well that leads me to my next question. why are you doing this? why do you want -- this is the question ted kennedy could not answer in 1979. why do you want to be president of the united states. >> i want to be president because i want to build on the progress that we've been making and make it possible for more people in our country, particularly young people to live up that irown god given possibly. and that means we've got to get

back to providing opportunities we've got to get back to making the economy work for everybody. and we have to defend the progress we've made in women's rights and gay rights and we soo to protect voting rights and immigrant rights and everything else. >> but how do we do is that? those are noble goals and you are the fifth presidential candidate i've had on the show so far. and bernie sanders was sitting there. and he said many of the same things. and his answers are the democrat socialist answer. and in the debate with senator sanders, you said the united states is not denmark. denmark has those things and they have those things with high taxes on the middle class. >> right. >> how would we achieve themmed in the yieds? how do you get those things is this. >> first we have to get back to putting the middle class at the center of our politics. and we've got to make it clear that what has been tried by the

republicans every time they get a chance, cutting taxes on the superwealthy, getting out of the way of corporations doesn't create broad based prosperity. it creates more inequality. >> so there is hillary giving her best with steven colbert. let's discuss mr. jeffrey lord and cnn commentator anna navarro. help us mr. lord understand the mind of trump. what's going on with him up there? talking about the poll numbers. he seems a little lost. >> no i think he's having a good time. i think he's a little amazed at the latest poll numbers. one of of the things i found very interesting in that cbs "new york times" poll. it said that 55% of the trump voters said that they were committed. they were for trump, period. 80% of the carson voters said they were not so committed. that they might eventually wind up somewhere else. which doesn't show a lot of, you

know, sort of rock solid commitment at this point. so i think that is very, very interesting. >> and i want to ask you about jeb bush anna. you come to us fresh from houston. the jeb bush family retreat that everybody sort of regrouped and figured out what to do about jeb. so what will we see tonight? what is the new and improved jeb. >> it's interesting. because it had actually been scheduled for weeks and weeks. so it was an emergency donor meeting. it just happened to coincide with all that's happening in the press. i think jeb is looking forward to this debate. as the the debate that should be about financial issues. it should be about economic policy. it should be more policy focused than the five hours of debate we've seen sfr. he was making a comment, there's been five hours of debate. there hasn't been a question asked on the national debt. >> is he changing his tone or style? >> i think he's going to be more comfortable with the topics. he has been working very hard on this. he knows. he understands that debates

matter and that he needs to improve his performance. he doesn't live in a bubble. he's heard it. he gets e-mails from people like me and others saying look, you know, you have got to step this up. i think he's putting a lot of effort into it. let's see what we see tonight. >> what i keep hearing from the campaigns of those who were the underperformers right now. is 71,% 70% of our field haven't decided yet jeffrey. so those numbers are the all artificial because 7 out of 10 don't know what they want to do yet. and that is what they are holding on to. what is your message the a kasich, to a bush, to a rubio who are staying this is going to pass and i've still got 7 out of 10 bhor looking more something? >> it is a very simple message. the reason all of this anger is out there is because the base of the republican party feels that they abandoned the leadership of the party abandoned conservative principle. they in essence through ronald

reagan over the side and went down the path of moderation. and typified by this debt ceiling deal that is going on right this minute in washington which i think it's safe to say the base is furious over. >> jeffrey, the debt ceiling -- let me ask you something strategically about the debt ceiling. it seems to be played by those critical of this deal and others like it that you just referred to as some type of allowance of spending. isn't that intellectually dishonest. when the debt ceiling is actually the opposite. you have already greed to spend the money. now you must pay for it. it doesn't change your spending. why play it that way. >> the "wall street journal"ed published in their notable and quotable section something from ronald reagan's memoirs. where he learned to get 70 and 85% and go away and come back and get the rest. the problem is that people on

our side feel that there is just a total surrender to president obama, to the american left as it were. and frankly republican moderates. that they just give in. we're not even talking 70 to 80%. we're talking nothing. and that is the problem. and that is the -- i think this is what east really fuelling the trump and carson campaigns, which between them are anywhere depending on the policy anywhere from around 50 to 65% combined. >> i think tonight could be very interesting. we are for the first time going to see a leading ben carson. he's still not going to be in the center of the stage. but he's beginning to lead in polls. i think we should watch for how donald trump reacts to him. donald trump is lost out there. for all of these months he's been flailing around sheets of paper saying the polls love me. i love the polls and now all of a sudden the polls don't love him anymore. and he doesn't love them anymore. the contrast between the two is

going to be a very interesting dynamic. >> is it subject matter. for ben carson, talking about economics has not been his strong suit so far. he's most unorthodox there. this debate is very tailored to those issues. how do you think that plays. >> i don't know. i don't think trump or carson have gotten into the weeds on policy in either of the two last debates and it hasn't hurt them. so this is going to be supposedly a more policy specific debate. will they be able to kind of post and be personality driven as they have been in the last two debates? >> talking about -- i think you fastened upon why trump has such a surge. there is anger out there. we've done lots of voter panels getting the pulse of people. >> right. >> jeffrey ry you are a trump supporter. how do you explain the dip he's experiencing? >> oh i do think polls go up and down here and, you know, the coverage goes up. it goes down.

it will change a few more times. one thing i think we should keep in perspective here. we're all sort of iowa centric. but even if trump won the iowa caucuses, ronald reagan lost them and still was nominated. and senator santorum and huckabee both won them and never got close. so in other words just winning iowa by itself, whether he wins or loses isn't the game here. you have got to go on to these other states. in ronald reagan's case this took months to settle until george h.w. bush finally withdrew in may that year. >> we're beginning to see the volatility of the race. i just hope this things lasts than that baseball game last night. we're going to be talking about the republican primary till we die. also this morning, it's official. lindsey graham is the most fun gop candidate. because he was at a bar last

night. there is a cnn initiative called the -- politics on tap. >> initiative. it's not an initiative. >> yes it is. it is an initiative to show the candidates in an informal setting. there you see dana bash having fun with lindsey graham as she played this pajama party game with him that is a little like truth or dare. she cleaned it up to call it date, marry or make disappear forever. and posed some questions to him. and the women he said he would marry is carly fiorina because she's rich. [ laughter ] >> listen, you know. first time you marry for love. second for money. lindsey might be doing it the other way around. >> [ inaudible ]. >> let's just shoot for the

mother load. anna, jeffrey. thanks for having fun with us. we'll all be watching tonight. thanks. after tonight's debate a special two hour ac 360 at 10:00 eastern. anderson cooper and the best in the business will break it down for you tonight. >> and beer will not be served at that one? >> only initiatives. >> [ inaudible ]. other news here to get to, in fact breaking news. house speaker in waiting paul ryan says he'll supports a bipartisan budget deal. let's get to manu raju live on the hill with the details. >> reporter: well today really marks the end of the john boehner era and the beginning of the paul ryan era. there are two major developments happening today.

republicans will nominate paul ryan to secede john boehner. and then today the house is pushing through a major budget deal on john boehner's final days in office. a deal that boehner has cut himself. one he has cut behind the scenes with other leaders and the white house who would raise defense and domestic spending by roughly $80 billion. in addition would raise the national debt limit until march 2017. effectively taking that big fight off the table for mr. ryan heading into the his speakership. paul ryan has been mum about this all along. he's been critical of the process but he just released a statement that he said what has been produced will go a long way towards relieving the uncertainty hanging over us. and that is why i intend to support it. now john boehner was asked about his strategy to help paul ryan and here's is what he had to say yesterday. >> i made it clear a month ago when i announced i was leaving they wanted to do my best to

clean the barn. i didn't want him to walk into a dirty barn full of you know what. so i've done my best to try to clean it up. >> indeed that is what he's trying to do. paul ryan will have one opponent today. that is daniel webster of florida. and that speaker's nomination contest. it shouldn't even be a contest. ryan is expected to win very big and then he'll have to deal with other issues now that the fiscal matters are taken off the table. of course the house still has to pass it and the senate and we're expecting the votes to be pretty close. and we'll know later today whether that south carolina sheriff's deputy who slammed a female student to the ground in her classroom will be fired. his boss says the girl bears some responsibility for the incident. cnn's martin savidge is lie in columbia, south carolina what is the latest there martin. >> reporter: even though the sheriff has said that maybe the girl does bear responsibility

here. he has said his investigation is focused solely on the school resource officer. said he was going to act quick. he hear a press conference slated for noon. it could be high noon for ben fields. the 16-year-old high school student violently thrown to the ground by school resource officer ben fields claimed she does have injures to her arm and face. at least according to her attorney. the fbi now investigating. >> she may have had a rug burn or something like that. but she was not injured. >> the sheriff's deputy said he used muscling techniques after she refused his request to get up. then according to the report she hit him in the chest with a closed fist. >> i don't want anybody to think that just the fact she did strike the officers that just fiction for the actions he took. >> he heard about his reputation.

we heard i guess i could say dangerous man. >> it all started when the 16-year-old refused to hand over her phone to the math teacher and that is when fields was called in. >> he said you got something you want to say? you got something you want too say? you want sml some of this too? and i was just like no. and i just put my hands behind my back. >> carson filed a lawsuit in 2007 against fields claiming he used axesive force when questioning him and his wife about the noise complaint. the jury ruled in field's favor. but martin claims race was a factor in his arrest. >> when i saw the video it reminds me of all the nightmares and what i've been going through for ten years. >> a student in this wrote that he's a cool dude and not racist. >> still other parents are outraged as are school

officials. this individual we've made it clear we do not want him back on our school grounds and in our schools that's been a permanent request that we've made. >> and so the next big significant action in this case is not going to happen in the high school behind me here but likely at the sheriff's office a little less than four hours from now. >> we'll stay on that story to be sure. so why does the election matter? here is a reason. for the first time in more than two decades, scores on national math exams slumping. the average fourth grade math score this year was 240 out of 500. down two points from 2013. average eighth grade also down. why? some cite the new standards. others say the new standards are exposing the deficiencies. police are looking for two burglary and assault suspects. caught on camera.

they snatch a sleeping man's bag. the man wakes up, chases them. but then a female suspect rea reaches into the bag, took out taser and tased him several times. the last jolt -- yeah. sends him tumbling onto the tracks and onto the third rail. he stayed there for some 90 seconds. here is what's amazing he comes too. he survives. bottom line he survives suffers a concussion and other injuries. but he's going to be okay. they say somehow he was insulated from third rail. third rail is usually insulated from weather but not people. but he wasn't electrocuted. >> so you can touch the third rail -- >> let's not tst. >> it and the issue of whether you were grounded or not. but what's going to be very interesting or not is when they catch those people and hopefully they do the charges are going to go from robbery to perhaps

attempted murder. we should find out today whether that south carolina police officer will remain on the job. deputy ben fields has been accused of using excessive force. he's been accused of it before. so we'll speak to the mother of a young man who is currently suing this officer. stick around. doesn't care who you are. man woman or where you're from. city country we're just everyday people fighting high blood sugar.

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resource officer who's violent arrest of a female student has sparked rage nationwide. the fbi and justice department are both launches investigations. joining us this morning from columbia, south carolina. samantha taylor has a son currently involved in a lawsuit against deputy fields. also with her, cory sellers, an attorney and south carolina representative. given your son's interaction with this officer, which i'll duet to the meat of that in a second, i'm wondering your reaction when you hard and saw this video involving the same deputy. >> good morning. my reaction actually when i saw the video was that i wasn't surprised, unfortunately. i was outraged. but i was glad that someone was able to get it on tape. >> so the lawsuit you have is going to go to trial in january. the background here for folks,

there was a fight off school grounds after school. the resource officer, officer fields handled the accusations. he alleged this was a gang related fight. that was never proven. but your son was expelled and not allowed to graduate. and you believe officer fields fabricated that claim of him being involved in a gang correct? >> absolutely. yes. >> what's happening now with your son? was he able to graduate? >> unfortunately he did not get a high school diploma. he wasn't able to be allowed to attend any of the richmond two high schools so he had to attend a program to get his ged instead. and currently he is in the reserves and working a regular job because he could not go to college based on the expulsion. most colleges wouldn't accept him that he was interested in attending and it kept him from being able to join the military as well. >> and this is exactly the issue

is when a situation like this happens, that the concern is about the impact it has on a young person's future. >> exactly mila. what we' michaela, we're reinforcing and building that pipeline to prisons here. especially for persons of color. the trav industesty is not justn but two young ladies now kicked out of school who actually have criminal records, one for just videotaping what she felt to be a wrong. and the other for being obstinate in class. i think there has to be a clear difference. nobody is excusing her being obstinate in class. but what we're saying is the behavior afterwards is excessive and outrageous. >> let me ask you then. i was a teenager. both y'all were teenagers. being an obstinate teenager. we know that comes with

challenges. we don't know if there are other mitigates circumstances with either of these two girls. we don't know. the investigation continues. but in your mind samantha, do you feel there is a role for police in the classroom? >> i do feel there is a role. i think that the role should be for situations that might be a tad more excessive than what happened in the school day before yesterday. >> right. generally we've understood that the school resource officers are there to protect the kids from situations. and police officers are supposed to be correcting kids from that. in terms of accountability bacarri, we nose these investigations are ongoing, whether it is a civil rights investigation on the justice department. we know the fbi is leading an investigation. do you have confidence in this process? >> well i have confidence in the

sheriff of richland county to do what is right. i look forward to his announcement later. but i can honestly say to you this morning i don't have much confidence in the fbi coming in and handling this investigation. the comments of the fbi director dealing with incidents like this in social media and his newfound ideal of the ferguson effect somehow being chilling on good officers. but it always seems to catch the bad officers. doesn't really make much sense to me and it's been rejected thoroughly by the white house and by loretta lynch. so no. the director of the fbi doesn't inspire confidence in any of us doesn't here. but we do hope these young ladies get justice at the end of the day and we hope they are able to understand this community loves them and they matter. >> and we should find out the fate of that officer later this morning. to both of you as parent, samantha i know you have another child. not going to attend spring valley high i understand. >> correct. >> and that is because of what happened with your son and ongoing issues?

>> yes. yes. my older three children were choiced into the school. we did not actually live in this area that would have assigned us to the school. and i thought that spring valley was a really good place for them to be. but based on what happened with my son and the continuing issues with this resource officer, we decided that when our youngest son goes to high school next year we will not be requesting for him to attend spring val. >> and bacarri, you have a 10-year-old stepdaughter. it brings in this conversation into our homes. how do we talk to kids about what these videos show us? we haven't rush judgment. how do you talk to your kids ab these kind of things, especially for families of color? >> man, i honestly didn't know what i was doing or getting into trying to raise a young daughter a young girl. it is a learning experience every day. i'm just very blessed and

thankful for her mother and the support. but yesterday at dinner for her maurice birthday she was asking what did she do? why did this happen? why did the officer treat her this way? are why did the girl who videotaped it get in trouble? and all we can say is we love you, we hold you up. you mean the world to us. and teach her about making the right decisions and just every day telling these young people that you love them. making sure they have someone out there that loves them. and holds them up and adores them. and that is all i know how to do as the father and i pray that is good enough. >> keep on going it bacarri. and samantha you too. thanks for telling the story of your son and wish him our best. thanks for joining us here on "new day." okay well the third republican debate is tonight. who will steal the spotlight? and what is the deal with the candidate's green rooms? wait till she show you the pictures. you totalled your brand new car.

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well the stage is set in boulder colorado for tonight's

third republican presidential debate. and there is no shortage of drama among the campaigns, including a fight over the size of their green rooms. here with a preview is the chief strategist and communications director for the republican national committee. good morning. great to see you. i read that you said every single one of these debates takes five years off my life in terms of negotiations. and last night sounds like no different. what went wrong with the green rooms. >> nothing went wrong. it is all good. we're basically here at the course event center in boulder. it is an unbelievable facility. but it is used for sporting event. have with 14 candidates to take the stage. so when you have 14 people you have to utilize every piece of real estate here. changing room, training room, locker room, referee rooms. so this is not like going to a facility you can have identical rooms. and some didn't like the size. we worked through the night. the team found new rooms, got

everybody happy. so we're good to go. we're ready to focus on the debate tonight. >> let me just show our viewers who missed the negotiations some of the pictures. rand paul was not happy. because on the left is carly fiorina's green room. i has a jacuzzi in it. on the right is rand paul's green room that looks like a jail cell. then he tweeted out the next was trump's green room which looks like a beautiful, you know, flat screen tv. a home theater it looks like. and then on the right you see rand paul's toilet. a nice shot of that. and then here is the piece de resistance. marco rubio's green room he said was an actual theater. rand paul was upset about these accommodations. and then this is what the rnc ultimately came up with. and that is the green room you ended the night is giving him is much more spacious. wow. there is a lot that goes into these debates. >> that's right.

but, you know, that is what we as a party want to do. chairman riens priebus set out the cycle to get the party involved. to advocate for the candidates. we make sure they have what they need so they can focus on the debate and lay out their vision for america. but those are the behind the scenes. >> let's talk about the prefer the changing trends in terms of the republican candidates and what we might see tonight. this is the latest national poll trends from the "new york times." it shows what's happened with carson who has seen a pretty meteoric rise over the past three to four months. trump as you can see just now dipping slightly for the first time. rubio slowly climbing. jeb bush up and down. carly fiorina as you know has done well after the debates. what do you think we're going to see tonight? >> obviously tonight's debate is focused on the economy and jobs. talking about how to put people back to work.

and so each of those candidates lays out their vision. again, i think you are going to see more volatility in the next days leading up to the iowa caucuses. tonight is our third debate. really start to engage more, look at their candidates who they think is best for them. i think you are going to have more of that churn. but that is generally how the process has worked historically. and i don't think this year will be any different. >> donald trump will still be in center stage because he's still leading the, sort of, when you crunch all of the number together of the polls. we increasingly heard how jeb bush's family, in particular former president george h.w. bush is feeling about this campaign and the campaign that donald trump has launched. let me read to you what he has said according to the "new york times." jeb bush's brother neil has vented privately about how bad mr. trump is for the country. and their father has been highly irritated by mr. trump's

ridicu ridicule. he's throwing shoes at the tv when his son gets attacked and insulted by him. what do you think of donald trump's tone? >> far be it for me to predict what anyone is going to do tonight. as for your previous comment, that it is natural feeling of any family. i this i 23 your wife, husband, father or daughter was really invested in this campaign. they are going to feel passionately about all the candidates and any candidate taking pot shots at them they are not going to like as much. >> we'll be watching tonight. hope you get some rest and relaxation tomorrow after all of. this thanks for taking time. >> plenty of time. we got a full twelve days until the next one. >> there you go. don't rest on your laurels. what is your take?

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welcome back to "new day." we have passed the rubicon, my friends. defense secretary ash carter announcing the u.s. will immediately begin direct action

on the ground. that means u.s. boots in iraq and syria. the motivation? the recent success of kurdish fighters in northern syria and a move to have u.s. forces give them a boost. clarissa ward has spent several days on the front lines. she's joining us now live from erbil, iraq. good to see you. i hope you are keeping you and the crew safe. what is the sense of being on the ground and the need for u.s. troops? >> reporter: well chris, good morning. we spent time in areas that have recently been liberated by isis. but you actually won't find people really celebrating there. and that is because the scale of the devastation that has been left behind by the fighting is enormous and people are still very uncertain about what the future holds. weeks ago these dusty plains were held by isis. this is what's left of its presence now.

the charred remains of a training camp hidden in a pine forest. it is where isis trained an elite unit of suicide bombers that attacked kurdish positions with devastating effect. kurdish fighters, known as the ypg, took this entire area in august. but holding it along a front line more than 400 miles is a huge challenge. the commander told us he had lost thirty in a recent battle when isis came down from the mountain. >> translator: the enemy attacked us with a large number of fighters using heavy weapons. they took control of three villages and after that the clashes lasted for hours until we were in control again. >> reporter: he's a battalion commander but this is the size of his battalion. a hand full of poorly equipped men. the nearest friendly forces are miles away.

the cost of pushing isis out has been enormous. streets here are draped with the flags of fighters killed in battle. along december late roads, through abandoned villages, we saw scene upon scene of devastation. the record of months of fierce fighting and coalition air strikes. areas like this one is now still completely deserted. that's partly because of isis militants before they retreated planted land mines and booby traps but also because many here are convinced that isis may be coming back. we met this woman who had lived here all her life. she said she was too afraid to leave home. there were no air strikes before they arrived and then the strikes started. there was one next to me.

we were scared of everything, not just isis. >> translator: are you still afraid i ask? >> she says not but glances wearily at the kurdish ypg fighters with us. the kurds question the loyalty of many of these villages claiming they harbor isis sympathizers. the killing may have stopped but there is no peace here. >> all right so clarissa, let's talk about the military first and then the larger battle. what do you see in terms of the need and potential for effectiveness of u.s. forces on the ground? >> well i think it really depends what type of engagement you are talking about, chris. certainly if you talk to the ypg fighters who we spent time with on the front lines they are separate for more american support. heavier weapons, armor piercing weapons. superior training, they want equipment and more sharing of intelligence. but the one thing you will not

hear them asking for is boots on the ground. and that is a universal theme with all the different rebel groups i have spoken to inside syria. none of them wnt to see u.s. boots on the ground. and that is partly because they understand that the visible u.s. military presence in this region would be incredibly poerlds polarizing. if we're talking the more convert raids secretary carter seemed to be indicating that could be a different story. >> very interesting. please stay safe. all right. so we're going from war to the good stuff. stay with us. ♪ ♪ the beautiful sound of customers making the most of their united flight. power, wi-fi, and streaming entertainment.

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