jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> i'm sure they will be wonderful to that little lucky dog. thanks for joining us. set your dvr to record "outfront." "ac 360" starts now. >> good evening. thanks for watching. tonight the question is could we see the first signs of the next big shift in the presidential campaign? when republicans took the stage in boulder, colorado last night momentum seemed to be shifting for front runners and fading for others. today we got the sense of how the debate affected the larger dynamic and got a chance to look whether the event was conducted fairly and on the flip side, whether candidates answered question questions fact welly. that ahead tonight but three key candidates holding events today. brianna keilar in new hampshire and sarah murray with the trump campaign and in boulder, brianna, jeb bush addressing a heated exchange between him and marco rubio. what did he say?

>> reporter: this is an exchange that backfired on him. he took rubio to task for missing senate votes. rubio responded with a very strong rhetorical and bush was caught flat footed unable to respond. jeb bush certainly a little frustrated and humbled today acknowledging that his debate performance was not great, but he still stood by his critique. here is what he said. >> i think people when they get elected to serve, they ought to serve. the fact is three senators on the stage last night combined two bills they sponsored that became law and the gridlock has to be fixed and i don't think we'll fix it with someone part of that but someone who has a proven record to fix things. i can change washington like i did tallahassee. >> reporter: i've been talking to republican backers and admit this is not his forte, the debate stage and not necessarily a closer on these attacks.

jeb bush here today trying to stress that looking for a nominee it isn't about big personalities on a stage. that's what he said. it's not about performance but leadership and trying to convince voters he brings that to the table. >> i understand he was pressed today also on if his campaign could continue after last night's debate and the slashing of staff. >> reporter: that's right. he was asked to respond to criticism that his campaign is on life support. he said it's not on life support. what he said was i have the organization, so the ground game that i'm building in these early states, i have the money. he said i have the heart talking to backers of his. they emphasize he definitely has the money but we're certainly going to see if that's enough. >> appreciate the reporting. to donald trump who spoke to supporters in nevada took shots at his opponents, only some of whom he said he respected and believes president obama hates israel. as always, when he speaks there is plenty to talk about.

sarah murray joins us. last night i understand trump had something to say about it today. >> yeah, you're absolutely right, anderson. he looked at marco rubio and jeb bush on stage and said look today, the heat was on, these guys pretend like they are friends. trump said i've been saying for weeks that's not true and saw that on the debate stage last night. he saw hatred between the two gentlemen, which is a strong phrase to use between jeb who has been a mentor but i think we did see sort of the breaks in their relationship. donald trump seems to be reveling in that today. >> is trump saying he won the debate last night? i assume so. >> reporter: i'm sure you will be shocked to hear, anderson, that donald trump believes he was far and away the debate winner. take a listen to what he said about that today. >> so who saw the debate last night? [ cheers ]

>> and great, and who won the debate? >> you! >> yeah, we did well. everybody, i mean, i think there were a few people that really did well last night. we won every online poll. drudge, "time magazine" every week every time we have it. we won cnbc. >> reporter: now of course, many people felt like it was marco rubio and ted cruz but you can't question his confidence or energy when it comes to the race for the presidency. >> to ben carson, we'll talk in the next segment about his involvement with the nutritional company. he denied relationship and did so again today, first, we are joined with more from colorado. what did dr. carson have to say last night about the debate? >> reporter: it's very clear, anderson, he's not happy with the debate. he really didn't have a standout night and went long stretches without talking and seems to be

playing safe so today he really came out, much more forcefully than he really normally is out on the campaign trail and blasted the debate format. here is what he said earlier today in colorado. >> debates are supposed to be established to help the people get to know the candidates and get to know what's behind them and what their thinking process is, what their philosophy is and what it's turned into is a got ya. that's silly. and that's not really helpful for anybody. >> and carson is trying to capitalize on this unhappiness. he said he reached out to the other campaigns and he is calling for the other candidates to try to push to make changes before the next debate. he says he wants longer question and answer times and he wants better questions from the moderator but anderson, he would not answer whether he would boycott the next debate if those changes aren't made.

>> he was asked by a reporter about mannatech he denied having involvement with yesterday. what was his response? >> reporter: he continues to call the questions with mannatech and the controversial company got ya questions and doubled down today when he got into a back and forth with reporters here in colorado. he says that he had a formal relationship but wasn't paid for all of the videos that he appeared in but certainly, anderson, there are a lot more questions that remain here. >> thank you. let's dig deeper now, bring in senior political reporter knnia mallika henderson and our own ace, chief national correspondent john king, host of "inside politics." ryan, jeb bush's performance. a lot of people said this is the beginning of the end for him. do you think that's actually what is happening here? does he have a chance of a come back? >> things are very bad and his

problem in this campaign is high expectations. he was the guy that was supposed to be the front runner and dominating things and failed to meet those expectations. i still think if you look at john mccain's model in 2008, he entered the race as the prohibited front runner. his campaign collapsed. he reorganized and ended up the nominee. anyway, i think it's a little premature to chase jeb bush from the race as long as he has money in the bank. the old cliche is campaigns don't end. they run out of money and we don't have that much visibility into what he has on hand at this very second, but the last reporting period, he had enough on hand to go through quite a bit longer and he has a very well-funded super pact. so i don't see the case for him, you know, getting out of the race until the funds dry up. >> john, i mean, a lot of people pointed to marco rubio and said he looked stronger. he had the second longest amount of speaking time, bush was dead last in speaking time. do you think, i mean, has bush

been sure planted by his own pro toe jay. >> concede the point that marco rubio had a much better night. today jeb bush if you're a python fan was out there saying i'm not dead yet. that's bad for a candidate and he also had to get on a conference call with donors and state chairman to say look, i know i could have done better last night but don't panic. we'll get this together. rubio has this moment and the question anderson, what can he make of it. inside the campaign, positive phone calls and raised a lot of money and have bush donors that say he keeps faltering we're keeping an eye on you. the thing to watch now is polls. can he move in the polls? right now in the national polls, rubio nine and bush seven and iowa, bush is at six, new hampshire rubio at eight, bush nine. south carolina rubio eight, bush six. they are in the same exact place

in the national polls and key state polls. the question, anderson, if you grow, where does it come from? because the two guys with the biggest baskets right now remain trump and carson to grow sure, you can get a couple votes from carly fiorina or chris christie but if rubio grows, it has to come as the same question faces ted cruz, it would have to come from trump and carson. let's see. >> let's talk about carson. a lot of people were pointing to him. he's the front runner in some polls and waiting for him to take command of the stage last night but never happened. is he playing a different game than some of the other candidates on that stage? >> in someways he is and we talked to his business manager and that's dhis demeanor. he's not going to get out there and lean in and butt in and take time from other folks on stage and interrupt and i think the looming question for him, is he sort of a michele bachmann, hermann cane where his time at the head of the pact is brief or

is he more like a mike huckabee candidate or rick santorum where he'll be a regional candidate and really do well among evangelical voters. he's got to figure that out. i do think the people that like ben carson, like him because they think he's a god-fearing man if you go to iowa in those home schooling communities, they read his book and are familiar. these kind of debate settings are not necessarily looking for anything more than what they get, which is this dignified man who they like and believe he's directed by god and his decisions are lead by that and that's what they are looking for and that's what he presents himself as and any time he gets into a fight with the media, that even helps him. >> right. >> and he can denounce political correctness and all that. i think he did what he needed to do. i think the question is again, is he going to be at the top of the field for briefly or is he

going to be able to grow. >> ryan, you look at the two front runners, carson and trump and didn't have breakout nights last night regardless of what trump says. but i mean, i guess to the larger point that nia was talking about, did the debates matter as much for them? >> no, i think they do. these debates really, they really do matter. the audiences are huge and for a lot of republican, 10 million last night, 15 for the cnn, 25, excuse me, i think 25 for the cnn and fox debates. those are huge audiences, this is a big moment for the candidates and i think carson kind of blew it. this was his moment as not quite the front runner but someone who is at the head of that new york times poll and leading trump in iowa. this was a moment for him to say that he deserves to be called a front runner and he just sort of laid back and didn't bring a lot of game. i think for trump, he was trump. he was a little more alive than the last debate. but he didn't do anything, there is no second act we're seeing

from trump and like john says, we watch the polls over the next few days and see who is following the media winners, which were rubio and cruz. see if they pop or not. >> it was interesting, john, trump didn't go after ben carson on the debate stage because in the days before he had been pretty tough on the campaign trail. >> uncharacter ris tick. they say they thought the others and moderators would be tougher on ben carson and thought scrutiny would come from other places. they are stunned a bit by the drop in polls and think part of it is because negative haves gone up. they wanted to be careful and didn't want to go into attack mode thinking it would hurt more than it helped. >> great to have you-all on. just ahead, you heard ben carson says he has no formal ties to the nutritional supplement company mannatech even though he's given four speeches on their behalf.

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as mentioned, today dr. ben carson slammed moderators accusing them of asking got ya questions including his relationship with a nutritional

supplement company called mannatech. >> a relationship you had a ten-year relationship and offered claims they could cure autism, cancer, paid $7 million to settle a deceptive marketing lawsuit in texas and yet, your involvement continued. why? >> well, that's easy to answer. i didn't have an involvement with them. that is totally propaganda and this is what happens in our society. total propaganda. i did a couple speeches for them. they were paid speeches. it is absolutely absurd to say that i had any kind of a relationship with them. do i take the product? yes. i think it's a good product. >> that was carson's answer. keeping them honest, how does it stack up with the record? drew griffin has been doing digging. >> reporter: ben carson says he didn't have a special relationship with mannatech but whatever he had was profitable. since 2004, carson has delivered four paid speeches on behalf of

the company, a company that sells vitamins, minerals and glyco nutrients. according to a speaker's burro in washington, he was paid $42,000 for one of those speeches. listen to what he says in this speech from 2004. >> let me just briefly delve into how i became associated with the products of this company. >> reporter: sound like someone with no relationship to the company? carson goes on in this speech saying supplements help cured his prostate cancer and in 2014 gave this interview done with a company representative with the company's products on full display. it's produced with music and video over lays of the company's products. >> you know, i began to recognize that yes, traditional medicine is good, but also, you know, looking at some addition

of natural products, you know, making sure that people are well hydrated, making sure that people get the right amount of exercise. >> reporter: mannatech based outside of dallas has a history of trouble. in 2007, the state of texas filed this lawsuit claiming sales associates lied to customers about the effectiveness of the supplements. the company knows they are illegal claims but refuses to stop making them. two years later mannatech settled and paid $7 million in civil fines. >> even though when they are studied and this one actually hasn't been but when they are studied, they don't show any good. it's really difficult to prove healthy people are healthier if they take supplements. >> reporter: after the debate, carson insisted mannatech didn't pay him because he was paid by a

speakers burro to appear before sales conferences including mannatech and says he has no links to the cam pompany. >> doesn't mean i'm endorsing them or have a special relationship with them. there are some groups that booked me multiple times. it doesn't mean that i have a special relationship or involved with their product. they can easily go back and find out that i don't have any formal relationships with mannatech. >> reporter: we did check. all references to carson have been removed from the various mannatech websites to compile with federal election campaign laws. in a statement e-mailed to cnn the company says dr. carson chose to participate in videos while attending corporate events he gave his personal perspective and testimony. he was not compensated for his participation in these videos. >> drew, the texas lawsuit against mannatech claimed the company said the pills could

help with pretty terrible diseases, right? >> yeah, long sections of that lawsuit, anderson, detailing how mannatech sales people told customers these supplements could help with symptoms of alzheimer's, down syndrome and cancer and the lawsuit said of course there was no scientific evidence to back it up. >> as for dr. carson's use of the supplements, what does he say? >> carson is able to point out he's not giving up on traditional medicine at all, shouldn't be abandoned is what he said but these supplements can and should be used in congestico conjunction with approaches that have worked. >> article strong williams is dr. carson's business manager and radio tv talk show house and columnist joins me tonight. good to have you on the program. you heard drew's report. how do you describe dr.

carson's, i do. -- i don't know if you would call it a relationship. he said i didn't have an involvement with them, it's absurd to say i had any kind of relationship with them but four speeches and then appearances and promotional materials and sort of this infomercial on pbs or whatever it was we broadcast from youtube. what do you make of it? >> good evening. four speeches over 11 years. one of the things you have to understand about speaker's burro. they negotiate the contracts. they discuss their fees and dr. carson's fees and they make the decision what goes on dr. carson's calendar. he has no say so unless there is someone he knows like a school he wants to do an engagement for -- >> wait a minute. for dr. carson to say he was paid by the speakers burro, that's not true. >> but it is true. let me finish. >> i work with the same speakers burro and i can tell you -- >> that's your relationship. every relationship is different. >> oh, really, okay?

>> so let me finish, thank you. dr. carson was booked by the washington speakers burro and obviously, dr. carson gave these speeches over the last year to mannatech and dr. carson was in branson, missouri and he was there, just released his book "america the beautiful" and mannatech sponsored the speech. dr. carson was supposed to get on stage and talked about the product. he talked about his personal story and book and didn't mention mannatech once. when he left the stage, the ceo of mannatech met him and said you didn't mention it and we have orphanages in africa -- >> so they were annoyed. >> they asked him would he record the videos. what happened when he recorded the videos, when they were posted they werwere doctored an

edited. >> is that something you were aware of and trying to get them to remove? >> unbelievable. and what really was the nail in the coffin, anderson, was pbs was doing these specials on a healthy heart and healthy eating and they needed and the guy doing this, richard taylor junior needed to find somebody who was a neurosurgeon to be a part of it and so dr. carson agreed to do it, go to phoenix, arizona, do it for free and no cost and low and behold we find out pbs cannot do these healthy heart series unless nay have a sponsor. mannatech has another division of independent disstrant disstr. they were trying to get dr. carson to talk about the drugs and dr. carson refused to do it. the executive producer of pbs in 2014 -- >> i hear what you're saying.

>> yeah, it's -- >> but i got too many questions i don't understand and maybe you can clear up. one, four speeches over 11 years, in those 1 1 years, they were very publicly, you know, being looked into, they ended p up settling for $7 or so million so moving forward, you certainly wouldn't want your candidate and your friend and business associate associated with a company -- i mean, you can vet these companies easily before you go and speak at them. >> anderson, there are so many companies, especially in this business have all kind of issues. they put these products out there. they work for some. don't work for others. dr. carson felt the products were good but thought they were good for him that's why he continues -- >> was he aware the company was being -- >> much later. much later. much later. >> just finally, on the payment

thing, i mean, yes, the payment goes to washington speaker's burro or whatever thoe speaker burro and take their cut but the company is sending the check to washington speakers burro and washington speakers burro forwards it on for dr. carson. for dr. carson to say he is paid by speakers burro, they are not originating the check. >> if you're giving 200 speeches, 250 speeches a year, dr. carson unfortunately does not get into the details. he has no idea where these speeches are. he does so many he has no idea how it works with corporations. we don't get him involved in the details. he shows up, gives the speech. and listen, let me say this because i know you're short on time. it was dr. carson in phoenix, arizona andd distributors were trying to get him to say things and he said i wasn't comfortable.

in 2014 i said the relationship is over. he's been spooked. he doesn't want to deal with it because he doesn't feel right and it was over. >> but he was paid for the four speeches or three were money going to a charity that he's affiliated with and one was paid, correct? >> if the washington speakers burro was booking speeches, he was paid, yes. >> and he was paid by mannatech, it went through the burro but he was paid by mannatech right? >> yes, except for in washington because he did it for pbs and it was a charity. >> thank you for coming on. >> thank you for asking. >> the republican candidates throwing hardest punches at news organizations. why blaming the media is such a standard tactic and what went on last night.

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shared the stage and several of them traded jabs but the biggest punching bag was the media and audience seemed to eat it up. more on a battle tested tactic. >> reporter: a shield and a sword. >> to a lot of people in the media, this is a great big game and we're the players and we come out here and we do our thing and sometimes we're held up in contempt by people who write columns. >> reporter: it's a way to deflect tough and unwelcome questions and it's a way to show strength putting the press on the defensive. >> how do we decide who used to follow up? i seen 20 other people. >> at the moderator discretion. >> reporter: on cnbc stage, they showed just howfective media bashing can be. >> democrats have the ultimate super pact called the mainstream media. >> this has been a staple of republican politics since the

1960s. >> reporter: media attacks are plaus lines in front of conservative audiences. >> she says you came to her in 1999 at a time when you were having an affair and asked her to enter into an open marriage. would you like to take time to respond to that? >> no, but i will. [ cheers ] >> and i am frankly astounded that cnn would take trash like that and use it to open a presidential debate. >> reporter: most journalist will tell you they try hard to expunge any and all bias from their stories but many conservatives laugh at that. >> most of the people in my business are convinced that you are bias against all of us. >> i can spot those liberal media folk here to write their annual conservatives in crisis story. >> it goes without saying that there is definitely a media bias. >> reporter: the result, more political polarization. the more conservative you are the fewer main stream media

sources you trust. fox news has been fitted and candidates. on thursday several declared war e-mailing supporters asking for money and mocking the moderators and they are not the only ones doing that. >> it seems they lost their way and that they did not seem to be in command of it. >> reporter: the rnc, which picked cnbc for the debate put the media on notice saying bias won't be tolerated but were cnbc's questions any tougher than fox's or nrks nrcnn's? >> what those moderators were trying to do is get candidates to tell more of the truth. >> brian stelter joins us with senior political analyst david garrigan. david, for candidates to attack the media, clearly the audience last night was warned of the idea but is a politically easy trip? i think the moderators gave them ammunition and made it easy

because i do think some of the questions seemed kind of obvious ones that they could be attacked on. >> anderson, listen, as rand paul said last night, controversies in the sense of liberal bias and main steam media among republicans does stretch back to 1964 convention and that whole campaign and every since then, that's what the media started looking at can we -- i knew a lot of business people conservatives trying to buy one of the three networks to be an alternative and along came fox and of course, and i think there is more balance now than there used to be. there is a widespread feeling they don't get a fair shake. to be honest, i thought marco rubio had a point when he said that the benghazi hearings, that the hillary clinton emerged with a lot of praise in her

performance and i was among them. we didn't talk about the fact there was a clear inconsistency in her story and says basically she's a liar about what happened and with who she told what when and conflicted. that's a legitimate concern on the part of marco rubio and republicans. you know, marco rubio didn't mention that the reason the media got so interested in whether she could handle these republicans was republicans who told us that this was a rigged job, that this was a rigged process that the benghazi hearing. we looked at it through that lens when it was over. this is a complicated story. i think the media gets a general main stream media tends to be more liberal, talk radio tends to be very conservative and if you look at wall street journal versus new york times, they are

the opposite in how they look at the world. >> you look at the ratings of fox to say that's not main stream media is, you know, is just laughable and -- >> fox definitely is part of the main stream media. >> brian, it is interesting, i do think look, bias is an issue and something you rigorously have to think about and look at and, you know, if you make a mistake, admit it. i think there are many kinds of biases. geographic biases of when it snows in new york, it's a huge story. if it snows in the midwest, in new york media it doesn't pay much attention to it. >> that's what we saw last night. these moderators wanted to provoke conflict and turned out to hurt them, so ended up backfiring on moderators. what i don't understand is why they were not expecting what happened. there were lots of hints and very clear smoking guns. candidates were going to gang up on the moderators. why they weren't prepared to push back is perplexing to me and inside cnbc people are

rattled. there is a lot of embarrassment. >> it was poorly produced to be honest and the fact some moderators didn't have the quotes to back up what they were saying so if they were challenged on the quotes, i'm not sure where that is from and several segments later, let's go back to what we were talking about ten minutes ago, which doesn't work. >> absolutely, and as we heard last night, tom foreman last night after the debate was over, what trump had claimed said, you know, to the questioner, we don't know what you're talking about, i never said that and right there on his website and it was easily checkable but the woman asking the question or the reporter asking the question didn't -- wasn't prepared. i thought they lost control of i felt that they weren't coordinated among themselves so they were talking among themselves. candidates talking among themselves and got very, very messy as well as i think they had legitimate question about whether in fact the same kind of

tough questions had been put to the democratic candidates as had been put to the republican candidates and so it's going to put a lot of pressure on the moderator in the next democratic debate to be tough. >> cnbc does feel good for one reason because they had 14 million viewers watch last night. by far, extraordinary numbers. this time in 2011, debates were getting 3 or 4 million. much more people with watching and commercial time cost a quarter of a million dollars. the most profitable night. >> one note on the democratic debate that i did moderate. i got a flood of e-mails saying i was far too conservative asking, challenging bernie sanders on, you know, the going to the soviet union on his honeymoon part of a sister city trip and, you know, calling him a socialist and things like that. so, bias is in the eye of the beholder. everyone sees it when it doesn't seem to comport -- >> actually, anderson, i thought -- >> asking -- >> go ahead, david.

>> yeah, anderson, i thought in retrospect you got from media critics, you got high marks for an unbias set of questions. i think you should feel good about that. >> it was interesting, trump actually -- >> but you weren't trying to -- you weren't trying to make it a nasty stir them up throw things at each other debate. >> yes, which is not what we want. david gur garrigagarrigan, than how two allies turn into arch rivals. try nexium 24hr, now the #1 selling brand for frequent heartburn. get complete protection with the new leader in frequent heartburn. that's nexium level protection. the has unlimited access is thatto information,tion no matter where they are. the microsoft cloud gives our team the power to instantly deliver critical information to people, whenever they need it. here at accuweather,

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i can print out like six different ways to get to work. i would be proud to have someone like micaela be my neighbor. i would love to have somebody like claudia be my neighbor. claudia: i feel like it's part of what san francisco should be. for months there has been rising tension and as we saw on stage in boulder last night, these two florida rivals are not even pretending to play nice. >> i'm a constituent of the senator and helped him and expected he would do constituent service. he was the most talented guy in the field. he's a gifted politician but marco, when you signed up for this, this was a six-year term and you should be showing up to work the literally the senate, what is it like a french workweek you get three days

where you show up? campaign or just resign and let someone else take the job. there are a lot of people living paycheck to paycheck and looking for a senator that will fight for them every day. >> 30 seconds. >> i listened to jeb as you walked around the country and said your modelling your campaign after john mccain and will launch a furious come back carrying your own bag at the airport. you know how many votes mccain missed -- jeb, i don't remember. i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's vote record. the only reason why you're doing it now is because we're running for the same position and someone convinced you attacking me will help you. here is the bottom line, my campaign will be about the future of the america, not attacking anyone else on this stage. i'll continue to have tremendous admiration and respect for governor bush. i'm not running against governor bush. i'm not running against anyone on the stage. i'm running for president because there is no way we can elect hillary clinton to continue the policies -- >> let's talk about what

happened and where do things move forward for jeb bush. joining us, tim miller. good to have you on the program. when marco rubio said that, it clearly got a response from the audience where it said somebody told you it would help you to say this or attack me. is that in fact, true? is this something you guys had worked on governor bush turning to marco rubio and using the french line, the french work hours line? >> that's not true at all. this is about public service and that's what marco doesn't get and i think over the long haul, this comparison is going to be one that accrues to our benefit. when jeb was in florida he worked tirelessly and turned the state around and cut taxes every year, balanced budgets, reformed the education system and since marco has been in the senate, he hasn't really done a lot. it's not just about the missed votes. it's that he doesn't have a lot of accomplishments. that's the real argument that we'll have. >> but in terms of the -- >> in the course of the next 100 days and that's would be that's

going to be a winner for jeb. >> it didn't win on that stage and clearly was a moment which i mean, i'm assuming your campaign had thought out and hoped would be a powerful moment. on something like that, do you do mock debates? do you practice debating with your candidates? >> obviously, everybody goes through debate prep and i think jeb does that, as well. for us, we want to let jeb be jeb and we think he's the best candidate on the stage. he's the most prepared to be president. so obviously you work through it and prepare questions even if he's going to do an interview with you we do that. most importantly, it's who is the person that's prepared to fix d.c. and do the job as president? we think on that issue, this is a good contrast for us and there are going to be a lot more debates, as you know. >> where is the lane moving forward for you guys? is it focussing new hampshire? we had anna navarro on talking about the great ground game.

clearly debates, at least three that have taken place have not gone the way many in who support governor bush would like to have seen them go. where do you see this moving forward? where are you going to get out of the single digits? >> i saw them tell anna things will be okay and they are. we in new hampshire, we have the best ground game in the field and i think we have a very strong ground game in the other early states. jeb was in new hampshire and received the endorsement of jude greg who is probably the most popular politician in the state and just finishing off now a town hall with 300 people. luckily for us, this campaign isn't going to be decided by pun dan -- pundits. we'll have a lot more resources there and we feel like we're in good shape to be competitive and we'll see over the next 100 days. >> all right, tim, we'll see, appreciate you being with us.

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a lot of people paying a lot of attention to a small airline you might not have heard of until now until a aircraft caught fire. dynamic airways flight 405 was heading to venezuela, 17 people

were hurt in the fire and evacuation that follow, one seriously. now a safety inspector is digging into every inch of this small and young carrier's operation. the story is unfolding between conversations of air traffic control. the flight crew and another behind it. more from randi kaye. >> reporter: a pilot with a keen eye notices the first sign of trouble. fuel leaking from the plane taxiing in front of him. dynamic airways flight 405 he radios it in. >> hey, dynamic, out of the left engine looks like it's leaking a lot of, i don't know if it's fuel. fluid leaking out. >> reporter: air traffic controllers contact flight 405. >> dynamic, do you copy? >> we copy. we probably need to go back to the ramp. >> reporter: before they could. >> engine is on fire! >> fire rescue units received the call at 12:34 for reported engine fire aboard the jet. our units deployed.

within two minutes, the first units on scene. >> reporter: they find a boeing 767 on fire right on the runway at fort lauderdale hollywood international airport. thick black smoke spewing out of the jet's left side into the sunny florida sky. all of it forcing an evacuation of the 101 passengers and crew. the jet's emergency slides are deployed. within minutes, everyone is out. some lucky enough to simply walk away. others were taken on stretchers and in wheelchairs, more than a dozen were taken to the hospital, one with serious burns. in the meantime, fire crews doused the plane with water and special white foam to knock the fire down. it covers the tarmac but leaves the plane's burned out left engine on full display. the plane was taxiing out for take off on it's way from florida to venezuela when the engine suddenly caught fire.

passengers on other airplanes nearby captured the terrifying scene. posting pictures and video on twitter, many writing simply, plane on fire. both runways were closed. the airport shut down until late afternoon when the north runway is reopened. at least 111 flights delayed, nearly 50 cancelled. >> and randi joins us from the airport. i never heard of this airline. what do we know about it? >> reporter: we're learning more about it, anderson. it's called dynamic airways. it's been around in the u.s. for about five years. it has two international destinations only from the united states, one to venezuela where this plane was heading and the other to guyana. this plane was 29 years old. what we don't know is whether or not the engine that caught fire was the same age or maybe it had been refurbished or replaced. we tried calling dynamic airways for a comment and they would not make a comment at all.

the good news is everyone did get off the airplane within minutes and there is a special team that is on stand by about a mile or so away from this airport specially trained for situations like this. they were on the scene within minutes making sure everybody got the help they needed. >> do we know much about the injuries sustained? >> reporter: we know that there was some burns and i'm told it's actually pretty common when you go down those emergency chuts, those slides, that's how everybody got off it is common to get minor burns but there was one passenger who was seriously burned and was at the hospital. 15 people were taken to the hospital. two with serious injuries. >> all right, randi, thanks very much. we're live for two hours tonight. after the break reaction from the debate from some of the staunchest republicans. did any candidate last night impress them and when it comes to front runners, which fell the most in their eyes and ohio governor john kasich and more when "360" continues. i am totally blind. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night,

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welcome back. 9:00 p.m. here in new york. crunch time after last night's republican debate. keeping the candidates honest and what they said. first, a recap of the lights of another memorable debate. >> this is the man that was a managing