in wonder. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> pretty wonderful. all right. thanks so much for watching. have a wonderful halloween. set your dvr to record "outfront." "ac 360" with john berman starts now. i'm john berman in for anderson tonight. we begin with a small number of troops but a big shift in this country's on going involvement, not just in the fight against isis but the larger horror story of the syrian civil war. today after years of saying no american boots on the ground in syria, president obama reversed course ordering several dozen special operations forces into the war zone and leaving the door open to send more. barbara starr has late details and jim accoosta working his sources. >> u.s. forces headed into syria. what will they do there? >> they will head into northern syria. this is an area where both

syrian, arab and kurdish forces in opposition to isis have been trying to gain traction to fight isis. this is a stronghold area for much of isis. so what will the troops do? go in and advice, assist, help the kurds and the arabs learn how to fight better, get them weapons, ammunition, communications, intelligence, there will be more air strikes we're told. everything to advice, assist them and get them out in the field. the troops will get there within the month. they will get a lay of the land and then begin to work but one of the key questions here tonight is how much do those kurdish and arab opposition fighters really want u.s. troops with them? we don't know. many of those fighters have told our cnn team led by ward, they want heavier weapons to fight with, not advice so much, john? >> barbara, we're talking about

fewer than 50 personnel. how much of an impact can this have? >> one of the key goals the u.s. set is for, to facilitate opposition fighters being able to retake the city. this isn't an isis self-declared capital. tens of thousands of people live there. isis completely dug in. the goal to get fighters to get it back and hold it really going to be a real long haul to get their most u.s. officials will tell you. 50 special operations forces, they can help. they can facilitate and give the fighters confidence and give them some technical assistance, but isis very well dug in. there's no way around it. this is all going to be a very long haul. john? >> barbara starr for us at the pentagon. thanks so much. president obama's decision, which whatever you think of it it is a big change for him. >> i do not foresee a scenario

where boots on the ground in syria, american boots on the ground in syria would not only be good for america but also would be good for syria. i will not put american boots on the ground in syria. i will not pursue an open-ended action like iraq or afghanistan. the resolution we submitted today does not call for the deployment of u.s. ground combat forces to iraq or syria. >> joining us now, jim acosta at the white house with more. jim, what's the white house saying about this announcement? >> reporter: well, they are saying this is going to be basically a deployment of 50 or so special operations forces that they will be serving an advice and assist role. white house press secretary josh earnest said they will not be engaged in a combat in syria but could potentially be involved in raids like the one we saw last week in iraq, a rescue mission during which a u.s. soldier died so it raises the question about these promises that president

obama made to the american people when the war on isis began and that he would not be putting u.s. combat troops on the ground to take on isis. we asked josh earnest about that during the briefing today and it got a bit testy. here is what he had to say. >> it would be great if we had a moment of clarity and you can acre knowledge, yes, this mission is changing and not what it was said it was going to be at the onset of this. i mean -- >> to say -- to say that, jim, would only confuse the situation. the fact of the matter is the mission that the commander in chief has given our military personnel in iraq and syria is a train, advice and assist mission and we've gone to great lengths to make clear that in no way diminishes ate mouthe amount of. we're quite clear there have been situations where combat boots have been on the ground. we've been quite candidate about that. >> despite that give and take

there, the white house press secretary said that this mission has not changed when it comes to taking on isis, john. >> nevernevertheless, the presi flat outside there would be no u.s. boots on the ground in syria. did they acknowledge the shift here? >> reporter: i think they are fighting against that and it's in sharp contrast with what the pentagon has been saying, talking about that mission in iraq last week, which will be similar, potentially to what is going to take place in syria. they are saying that u.s. forces are involved in combat in iraq and those raids that may be taking place from time to time. that's a departure from what the white house said. john, i think they are in sort of a box here that they are putting themselves into. you know, when they say advice and assist, i think it depends what the definition of advice and assist because when it comes to assisting the forces on the ground, there really is no

definition here. >> thanks so much. >> reporter: you bet. let's bring in more expertise, cnn military analyst, retired army lieutenant general mark and senior international correspondent clarissa ward and fareed szakaria. they said they will not be involved in combat operations but if there is a civil war, aren't you in the middle of combat? >> you certainly are, john. this is just a war of words between the false premise of the so-called boots on the ground, what is combat, what is advice. when the bullets are flying around you, you are in combat. i think the distinction is are they leading large american organizations in a combat role? they are not. they are advising and assisting

either syrian force, kurdish forces or iraqi and that's the key difference. >> our intelligence analyst, he called this move a band aid on a gaping wouldn't. >> we're talking about continuing to contribute to a strategy to defeat isis on the battle field and the president said we'll let forces do that and that -- in this case, it is the syrian arab coalition and the kurdish forces. we're contributing to that. we have said for over a year that when the conditions permit it, the military would advice the president that they could use more forces to do that. that's exactly what is occurring at this time because of changing conditions on the battle field. we have more engagement with forces, we have more lengths to the syrian and kurdish army. so we are in fact, providing that assistance to better

coordinate operations on the ground. >> in a defeat of incredible timing, you were inside syria alongside some of these kurdish forces that the special ops will be working alongside. what's your impression of their capabilities, what kind of success they had and what these american troops, how much of a difference they will make. >> john, one can't debate the fact that they have enjoyed really decisive and important victories against isis on the battle field because they are incredible fierce and brave fighters but perhaps because they enjoyed coalition and u.s. air support. we went into syria knowing that they were at the core of the u.s.'s strategy to try to defeat isis in syria and i have to say, it was quite striking spending time with them on the ground to see just how much work really remains to be done. they are still very under equipped, lightly armed, most of them carrying just ak-47s, old ak-47s. some of them fighting in

sneakers or even sandals. they don't have body armor. they don't have armored vehicles and they don't have heavier weapons, the type of armor piercing weapons that really if we're talking about a potential offensive on the isis stronghold of racca they would need because isis does have those weapons. most american weapons they took from iraqi forces. >> fareed, this is a big shift. the president for years said no u.s. combat forces in syria, no boots on the ground. this -- fewer than 50 people but it is boots on the ground. you've been critical of the white house strategy and said there is no strategy. so why this? why now? >> so i think that mark has it exactly right. this is a logical extension of the kind of tactical approach that administration has taken, which is when we can, we will try to do things that inflict pain on isis and the kurds are

inflicting pain on isis but it's good tactics and remains bad strategy. think about it this way, what if they were to win? if administration's wildest dreams came true and the kurdish forces push back isis and then take over parts of syria? happens then? who is going to govern this new real estate that's been taken over? are the kurds going to become the new vast parts of syria? no, the sunnis will not stand for that. there are six different sets of militias that are competing. this is always been the problem with the strategy for administration. tactically, i understand it, and the kurds are mostly just fighting a defensive battle. they are trying to not let isis beat them. fine, you want to help the kurds, that's good. what's the largest strategy if you're going to get into this, what is your ultimate objective? whom do you want to rule syria? and administration doesn't

really have an answer to that. the answer is not assad, not isis, not the iranian militia, not hasballah. that's a negative. what is the positive approach? that's where the hole here is. if this were to succeed, you will own real estate in syria. does the united states want to get into the business of occupying syria? we tried that for ten years in iraq. >> not even a little. it's a big problem. another big problem general, is russia. russia is now ever more involved inside syria bombing inside syria. there are russian troops on the ground inside syria. most of what russia is doing is in a differnt part of the country in the western part of the country right now. you can see those explosions, those mostly where the russian air strikes are. the u.s. forces, 50 of them or so will be in the absolute north and east of the country but will this need to be coordinated? will this operation need to be coordinated with russia? >> it certainly will, john. there are other things going on.

russia's strategy is not a strategy, as well. they are performing tactics to sure up mr. assad and his area of the country and that's it. they are not going to wonder to the north but i think as we go into the talks in vienna, the united states needs to have something more substantive on the table to say this is what we're doing. >> thanks so much. just ahead tonight, the uproar in the infighting over this week's republican debate. candidates taking aim at the questione questioners, media and party leader. we'll take you inside to what the party chair called a crap sandwich. and later, hillary clinton and the hacklers, why she came under verbal fire from what could be a powerful voice in the democratic primary and how she handled the situation. when a moment turns romantic

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. this sunday advisers to campaigns will meet privately to take control of the debate process, take control from their own party. they are seething from the questions and time keeping from a debate sanctions by the republican national committee for his part, chairman reince priebus announced the party is suspending it partnership with nbc for a debate planned for

february. he called the cnbc debate a crap sandwich. those were his actual words. ben carson complained about got ya questions. carson, ted cruz and most of the candidates took turns blasting the moderators and media and to be sure there have been ample critiques from left, right and center of how the questioning was done, that said some of the same voices from across the spectrum have concluded that many of the questions were legitimate serious, tough and fair. here is a small sampling. >> you're skipping more votes than any senator to run for president. why not slow down, get a few more things done first or at least finish what you've started. >> given the problems we've been discussing, why would you tax labor at a higher rate. >> your board fired you. i just wondered why you think we should hire you now? >> you've said that you would like to replace medicare with a system of individual family savings accounts. explain how that would work,

exactly. you've said something many in your party did not believe, that is that claimant change is undeniable and human activity contributes to it and the question is what do we do to deal with it. >> another complaint heard from ted cruz wednesday night is they got got ya questions and democrats got softballs from cnn in the democratic debate. keeping them honest we went back to the video by these asked by a guy that sometimes appears on this program. >> how can any socialist win a general election in the united states? why should americans trust you with the country when they see what is going on in the city you ran for seven years. you honeymooned in the soviet uni union. do you change your political identity based on who you're talking to? why did it take 18 reports and a cnn investigation before you and your colleagues took action. in candor, you and your husband are part of the 1%, how can you represent the views of the middle class.

as president would you sand by your principles if it ricked financial stability. >> softballs. perspective from david duringgu began and anna navarro, bush supporter and marco rubio friend and cnn political commentator to boot, david, you heard anderson questions and by the way at the first fox news debate a bunch of tough questions, so tough donald trump wanted a month-long rant after it. yet, the rnc did not suspend fox news from its next debate, they suspended nbc from its next debate. what is really going on here? >> well, it's a complicated story. the rnc and the candidates are angry at the president in general and particularly cnbc for what they see as a bunch of questions that were not just tough, the kind that anderson asked but insulting. donald trump early on was asked

aren't you just running a cartoon campaign? but that's an insulting question. what anderson was asking was a tough question, very much in the traditions of tim russert as so many people look to from nbc, that he asked very, very good questions, fair questions, things you ought to face, are they softball? no, they are not. they are hardball. they did sort of hit below the belt and you have the rnc with the candidates objecting but also an internal disdispute. the candidates themself want to take control and take it away from the rnc which the rnc does not want to lose control. there are two different arguments going on, one between the republicans in general versus cnbc, and secondly, there's an argument and tension, a fight between, within the republican party between the republican national committee and the candidates who would like to take control back. >> anna, it's interesting going

after the media is something you see candidates in both parties do from time to time and the media deserves plenty of criticism but are there limits if you talk about the media and what we do wrong all the time, are you not address b progreing of the voters and their lives? >> you know, this wasn't as much a general criticism of the media as it was a criticism, very specific criticism of this debate and these moderators who frankly were unprepared, couldn't quote the sources that they were siting and trying to question the candidates on fighting among themselves and interrupting candidates, did not allow a free flow of conversation in exchange, were very unfair and uneven with the time a lotted to the different candidates. it was an unmitigated disaster when it comes to moderating a debate. i saw reince priebus yesterday at a celebration for paul ryan last night and i can tell you he

was stowing and this is one of the few issues where all republicans are united. i am yet to encounter one republican who didn't find the moderators, the debate, the tone, the questions, everything just frankly offensive and unacceptable and so i think the rnc has ever right and reince is doing the right thing by taking these measures. you know, the networks get a lot of money and get a lot of viewers. 14 million viewers by cnbc, more by any other program they had and they have to stick to a few rules. one thing cnbc promised is this would be a debate about fiscal and economic issues. >> no, they were certainly not dominate, but van, you disagree. >> first of all, i definitely agree it was not as advertised. they said it would be an economic financial debate. people prepared and became a general got ya debate but you have to be concerned now because

there were some tough fair questions and frankly, some of the candidates just told boldface lies in the first of tough honest questions and they haven't been accountable for that. the other big challenge you have is the you overreact to this and run off and create, you'll see we're not going to go with tell telemundo. reince is saying we're only going to work with weekly standard. that's dangerous. weekly standard is conservative. the last time in 2012, the conservatives ran so far off into their media rabbit hole they believe they need to unsquu the polls, remember that? ro romney believed the pundits. there is a danger of the republicans getting too wrapped up in this. the media is wrong and victims that hurt them in 2012. it could hurt them again.

>> david, i want to bring up breaking news. "the new york times" is just reporting that a very, very important republican fundraiser, paul singer is a very, very wealthy man given a lot of money. millions of dollars to politicians over the years and just committed to marco rubio. this is exactly the kind of thing that a lot of people have been watching and waiting for to see if at a certain point, the performances at the debate, trends and campaign going a certain way so some uncommitted donors would start to commit. paul singer donated heavily to george w. bush. you know, he's a man courted by key advisors to jeb bush over the last several weeks, never theless after this debate, marco rubio seen as doing well and jeb bush not as well. this donor goes to marco rubio. david, how significant is this? >> it's a big story. i know paul singer. he is very unflew wednesdayu in

who are in very, very successful financial people follow his advice when they decide where to give money and coming out of this debate in particular when the press is turning saying marco rubio had a breakthrough and jeb bush had a brave night and is jeb bush finished and i don't think he is. that's the kind of question being posed. paul singer announced this very day that he's not supporting marco rubio and we'll see that and properly seen as a big break for rubio and big breakthrough for him. he was competition for paul singer to help and also, please understand paul singer is not just what money he gives, he also is very influencetial in bundling. this is a significant breakthrough for rubio. >> so, anna, you are deeply involved in bush world.

is this not the exact kind of thing that the bush campaign fears? >> look, i don't know that they fear it. i know that, you know, like practically everybody else running, they did compete and they did court paul singer who as david said, is an important donor. paul singer isn't only a donor but an activist and advocate particularly on gay rights issues and equality. he's got a gay son who he supports entirely and one of the leading voices in the republican party today trying to push the party on the gay rights issue. it's going to be interesting to see how that gets navigated because marco rubio is on the other side as paul singer on a lot of these issues and is my hope that paul singer is influential, frankly in tempering that issue with many of the candidates running and on the republican agenda and platform. >> all right. anna navarrogarrigan, thank you so much.

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hillary clinton barely began a speech when protesters with black lives matter drowned out the front runner. take a look. >> let her talk! let her talk! let her talk!

[ cheers ] [ applause ] >> civil rights leader john lewis tried to break up the protesters they were escorted from the room. this unfolded in a historically black university clark, atlanta. with are joined with the latest. how did hillary clinton handle all of this? >> reporter: john, i have to say it was really extraordinary. i've never seen anything like this and being there was more like 20 to 25 minutes you had this stand off take place. it was a group of about ten students or so that entered the room, she was about five minutes into her remarks when they

started shouting black lives matter. at first, she tried to address them directly and said yes, black lives do matter, let me explain why. she was drowned out by these chants black lives matter, what the hell are you talking about? these type of things and went on and on and on trying to say those remarks. well, congressman lewis, john lewis the civil rights icon and mayor of atlanta kasim reid went to the protesters on the floor, pleading with them, trying to get them to be quiet or to leave, you know, gently trying to get them off the floor. they would not. this took place for quite sometime. it was a big distraction as you can imagine. cell phone cameras were out. everybody was shooting this. they were filming this. it lasted for a long time. she tried to tell stories about the struggles of civil rights icons to which the crowd would respond and cheer and die down. so finally, what happened is that least awis and the mayor g

stage showing they had her back. security went and took protesters away and she thanked them. she turned and thanked them and back and went on with the speech talking about criminal justice reform. >> interesting to see. thank you so much. a lot to talk about. van jones is back with us. also here cnn political commentator ryan lizza. van, you talk and you've spoken about the political success of the black lives matter movement. when you see this video tonight, are the protesters trying to protest hillary clinton per se or are they trying to be heard? >> you know, i think probably at this point they are trying to be heard. it's remarkable to have a group, to have a slogan take up to much mind share. a year ago, you never heard the slogan, i think a couple things are going on. first of all, they have beenfective at getting democrats to take criminal justice and also to take black issues in particular seriously.

both wings of the party, bernie sande sande sanders wing were taking the black issue for granted. bernie sanders would talk about taxing wall street and fixing social security as sort of a trickle down justice. if we do that, it will go away. they will fire from that. hillary clinton has been much stronger on criminal justice. in fact, has gone and they have been very effective. the challenge now is they got to find a way since they have actually won, she was going to give a speech on their issue to continue to be heard without stopping other people from speaking, especially when they speak about stuff that in fact, is agreeing with the direction they laid auto. >> because hillary clinton was trying to address the very issues, i believe, they wanted addressed in that speech. for a democrat to win the white house, democrat needs to win well over 90% essentially of the

african american vote, so there is extreme sensitivity to protests like this. have the candidates found a successful way to navigate this issue? >> well, i think as van pointed out, the black lives matter movement has been incredibly unfleu influential in the democratic party. there were proclimate change reform protesters at every democratic event and frankly, that didn't have nearly as big of an impact as black lives matter. look at bernie sanders. he comes from an overwhelmingly white state vermont, he was not well versed in issues important to the african american community. and he got a lot -- he got religion after being protested several times. this protest today i think was a little bit more puzzling because you have hillary clinton here at a historically black college

with an icon of the civil rights movement john lewis and the crowd, overwhelmingly african american crowd on her side, as far as i can tell turning against protesters so just in terms of effective protest, it didn't seem to me like these students were or whoever they were got their message across or sort of got -- accomplished any goal. but overall, they have had a big impact on the democrats. >> guys, stand by. i want to bring suzanne back in. i understand you had a chance to speak to some leaders of the black lives movement about what happened tonight. what did they say. >> reporter: i talked to protesters tonight, avery jackson being the one who was the most vocal at that protest and they say look, they don't have any demands. they got what they wanted which was to bring up the issue of crime anytime justice reform. they felt it was more rhetoric than action and wanted to move beyond that and teal this is

something they don't want hillary clinton to take the black vote, young black vote for granted and i think that's what you're seeing here. that is the illustration, demonstration of the tough time that she might have when it comes to young african american voters who she desperately needs to secure the nomination. she has the traditional naacp leaders but for these young members of black lives matter, they say they didn't want a meeting with her necessarily, don't want more rhetoric, they want to see concrete steps, an action and convince them she's worth supporting, coming out for and voting for, john? >> van, quickly, what's your advice given the desires of the movement? what's your advice to candidates about how to deal with it going forward? >> first of all, you have to remember you're talking about young men, they were 10, 11 years old when president obama was elected. their entire life they had an african american president but seen all these funerals, seen the price of college go up, jobs go down, seen so many of their peers, non-violent drug offenders and others go to

prison. saying hey, i'm a democrat vote for me, they are not going to buy it. you got to not only say it but come from your heart and be out there with them so they begin to understand you're truly on their side. this chas to come out. if a -- you got to take these young people seriously at a heart level and rhetorical level. >> big numbers and big percentages both they need. thanks so much. just ahead, the passion that's driving ben carson supporters, why they say he's a perfect outsider to put in the white house. also ahead, former subway pitch man jared fogle in his own twisted words. the secret recordings that help explain why he pleaded guilty to child pornography and other charges. estment management, we believe active management can protect capital long term. active management can tap global insights.

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tonight ben carson campaigning in arkansas just finishing up a pep rally in west memphis. he went into wednesday's debate leading the republican pact in one national poll, several state polls, his numbers have been

steadily rising so have his campaign donations. that despite his somewhat subdued debate performances. in a full field of self-declared outsiders, he's drawing the support party insiders crave. so who are ben carson's supporters and why are they so drawn to him? is gary tuchman. >> thank you. >> reporter: marty miller and judy are on the road traveling around the country to ben carson events to sell campaign swag and to help sing praises. >> ben is a great man. great man. he's got a great, everything, what he says we need it. >> reporter: what is it that we need and he says? >> we need change. big government. we're getting too big of government. >> reporter: a few hundred people arrived outside a high school basketball arena in west memphis, arkansas two hours early in order to get good seats to see the man many describe as the most moral candidate. charlotte nickels is a college student at old miss.

>> i think that if you don't have someone leading who has a moral compass and, you know, is passionate about certain things then he's just going to make bad decisions but dr. carson definitely has very high morals. >> reporter: jim lance was the first person in line. >> i believe in the defense of our constitutional rights and i don't think anybody whose establishment is doing that. >> reporter: ben carson doesn't have the political experience of most of his republican presidential opponents, nor the high profile business experience of donald trump and carly fiorina. but to his supporters, it's all just fine. but fred row here with his wife isn't a supporter, at least yet. >> yeah, i'm mildly concerned about his lack of political experience, which is a reason i'm here to listen. >> reporter: his wife needs no convincing. >> the man is truly inspiring. he's a christian. he's a conservative. he's a good man through and

through. >> reporter: and what about the controversial statements dr. carson uttered? >> during slavery and i know that's one of the words you're not supposed to say but i'm saying it. >> he equated abortion with s e slavery. what do you think? >> i agree. i can't tell a woman what to do with her baby but like mike huckabee said, you know, fetuses should have the same protection and the 14th amendment as you or i. >> reporter: ben carson is a very different kind of presidential candidate and most here think that's a very good thing. >> gary tuchman joins us tonight. what did ben carson have to say at the rally tonight? >> well, john, as we speak, dr. carson is pressing the flesh following his hour and five-minute speech. he made several indirect references. he said that collectively, congress has 87 ocho -- 8700

years of experience. if you take that and divide by the total number of people you get an average of 16 years of experience. may not be exact but probably relatively close and the crowd here ate that up. he also said that our country was designed for citizen statesmen, not for career politicians. clearly considering himself a citizen statesman. finally, john, just before he came here, he was a few miles away across the mississippi river in memphis, tennessee where he visited the national civil rights museum and lorraine motel where 47 years ago this past april, dr. martin luther king junior was assassinated. >> thanks. up next for the first time, audio tapes of disgrace subway spokesman jared fogle showing some of his darkest secrets involving children.

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secretly recorded phone conversations that helped bring down subway pitch man jared fogle are no longer secret. they were played on "dr. phil." fogle talking about a sexual interest in children. he pleaded guilty to child

pornography charges and paid for sex with minors. 14 victims, the youngest 6 years old. tonight in the tapes, we hear from fogle himself. first, a warning, this is really ugly stuff. randi kaye reports. >> remember jared from subway. >> reporter: jared fogle, subway pitch man now child porn convict. for the first timesharing sick fantasies with a florida woman he trusted. he says she secretly recorded his every word, listened to him describing how he lured children in. >> you know, we shared stories and then you know, we get a little closer and a little closer and a little closer and before you knew it, you know, it was just like it happened. >> reporter: the recordings were made by rachial who was suspicious after he appeared on her radio show.

she worked with the fbi recording fogle's twisted desires for five years, the fbi would not comment but the u.s. attorney acknowledges it took the tapes into account before charging fogle. hermann trick the fogle into thinking she was setting up an underaged party for him. on the recordings, fogle suggests it's easiest to seduce children who are vulnerable. >> i think that girl from the broken homes could be a possibility, you know. >> uh-huh. >> i definitely think that and, you know, just show some affection. >> reporter: she says fogle told her he fantasied about touching her own children. >> will you let me see your kids naked? >> yeah. >> yeah? >> uh-huh. >> that would be okay? >> sure. >> how old are your kids again? >> 10 and 1 1.

>> yeah. >> uh-huh. a boy and a girl? >> yes. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i would love to see them naked. we're going to have so much fun, baby. you have no idea. >> he confirmed here fears that he did have a thing for middle school girls. >> middle school girls are starting to get [ bleep ] you know. you love how much i love [ bleep ]. >> fogle said he would love to watch the school girls in the locker room. >> i would love to try to do that sometime. >> yeah. >> that would be so amazing. i would love to put the video camera in there, you know. >> uh-huh. >> at the very least and watch them strip down. >> the key to finding a child open to his advances fogle says is picking out the ones who give a special look. >> you know who will give you the glance, you know what i mean? >> uh-huh. >> i mean, it's going to be setting it up the best we can and trying to get them as sexed

up as we can and sort of taking it from there. >> when he still thought there was going to be a party, fogle even asked the woman on the other end of the phone which of the children attending will be most promising and for a description of her children's male and female friends asking for specifics on those who were hot and cute. in the end, there was, of course, no party. >> back up. >> instead, fogle ended up in jail. >> all right. ra randi. this is awful. how much prison time is he looking at? >> john, as part of the plea deal he's facing five to 12.5 years in prison but anyone listening to tapes are wondering why he's not going away for longer. he talks about his first time being with a little girl saying she was 11 or 12 and felt so good. he talked about fooling around with little boys he said were probably 10, 11 or 12 and even suggests they go to thailand,

john, where they could be seen with young children and nobody would notice anything is going on. really disturbing stuff. we tried to call his lawyer. he said he had no comment. fogle will be sentenced mid november. >> we'll be right back. the cold truth is... okay kids, let's go. no one can really fill your shoes when you're sick. alka-seltzer plus day cold & flu has three cold symptom fighters to relieve your tough symptoms. [deep breath] stay unstoppable. alka-seltzer plus.

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anthony bourdain got a painful new tattoo. he let drunk men with a needle and mall lit chisel away. >> you went to malaysia, has it changed a lot? >> we do a show many years ago at sort of an emotional cross roads of my life, and i wanted to go back and see how things changed but i wanted to go back and see how i felt about how

things had changed. >> did you see it differently? >> i saw it very differently. i was miserable the first time but we went this time for their rice harvest festival. which is three non-stop days of drinking jungle beverages. i mean, for three solid days. the party just keeps going but what also keeps going is kareoke. >> you know what scares me more than tripe? >> cario key. >> anyway -- >> so malaysia. >> so three days in the jungle of constant drinking, of unlicensed alcoholic beverages, singing and tattoos. >> that's a dangerous combination. >> i thought -- this is what

they do. they collect experiences as reflective by tattoos on the body and thought how bad can it be? answer, bad. >> painful. >> two drunk guys, two drunk with like a needle and bamboo rod and two clubs hammering into my chest. >> and didn't give you anything, no percocet, no nothing, just alcohol? >> i did not plan -- it was -- it was like two homicidal woodpeckers pounding into my chest for two solid hours for this tiny little thing. >> please tell me they weren't at least singing while doing this? >> there was people singing in the background, people singing popular music off key in the background. >> wow. did you scream or anything? >> i tried to look manly on camera. >> right. >> as i did, but -- no, if the cameras were not rolling, i would have been yelping and

weeping and squirming and whining. >> maybe some of that is on the ed room floor. >> do not miss it this sunday night at 9:0 p.m. eastern. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. >> gop to nbc, you're fired. this is "cnn tonight" i'm don lemon. the republican national committee is suspending its partnership with nbc news for a february debate. what's really going on? and were the cnbc questions any worse than the fox debate questions? our political experts are here tonight and hillary clinton says black lives matter, but why doesn't everyone believe her? >> using the power of the feelings that come forward and yes, they do -- >> black lives matter!