these forces do not have a combat mission. >> but the u.s. is putting troops on the ground in syria to fight isis. >> we got to beat isil. we got the beat isil. these guys are evil. >> it's that feeling. yes, they do. >> a hillary clinton speech sprupted during a stop in stlaen atlanta a. civil icon stands up

for the front runner. the parents of a teen killed by police, heart broken and furious over the investigation into their son's shooting. >> we are more disappointed by an investigation that seems for focused on attacking the victim. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning, a very busy morning with a lot of breaking news. >> we do, i'm victor blackwell him we want to welcome our viewers him we gen with breaking news out of egypt. a russian passenger jet carrying 204 people has crashed in the egyptian city sinai. airbus metro jet took off just before 6:00 a.m. local time a.

flight 9268 was headed to st. petersburg. egyptian officials say it was with air traffic control 23 minutes into the flight. dozens of ambulances have been sent to the craft site. recovering this story from around the globe nick robertson will join us for just a moment. what are you hearing at this hour? >> well, we know is this flight took off at 5:58 local time here in egypt. on its way to st. petersburg at 6:20 a.m. that's when the flight disappeared in the mountainous region. the crash was located by egyptian fighter jets that were

patrolling the skies him we are hearing right now egyptian, emergency personnel have roughly 50 balances on its way to the crash site. now. we don't know if those ambulances have been able make it. anyone has been able make it to that crash site yet. we are hearing if anyone does survive him we are hearing from egyptian official, those people will be brought to cairo. we don't know the cause of the plane crash. there have been reports here in local egyptian media, that it could have been a technical issue. egyptian official, according to state and local media, are ruling out any sort of foul play at this moment. although, it is too soon to tell exactly what was the cause of this airplane going down. this is a popular route. we see planes like this come

home at time with russian sourist, escaping a lot of families on these planes and children among those presumably dead at this hour. >> tell us more about this region, sinai. the terrain there and what these crews will face as they try to, from the ground there, look for the wreckage? >> i point out it was egyptian fighter jets that fought the wreckage him because rate now in the northern part of sinai, there is an isis aligned militants. now, what we're hearing, we knead to make this clear, there is no indication this insurgency

made it difficult to go down. insurgents have killed hundreds of people over the past two years. >> that could be one possible delay in trying to get to this sight. but right now, egyptian officials are meeting with russian counterparts, russia is sending aid as well. we are really just getting a few bits of information as they come here. >> ian, thank you so much. >> let's go to moscow for that, where diplomatic editor nic robertson is following the story him you have been talking with russian officials, what are they saying? >> that i have call for a special investigation. they are sening three planes to aid with the recovery operations amount hot line has been

established here for families to call into. the foreign ministry here says that it is trying to gather whatever information it can get and we will provide that as soon as they get it. we understand that there were seven crew members on board but perhaps most significantly, trying to understand what precisely happened at this early stage. it is an early stage, there have been no official briefings yet to provide a detailed account of what people people, many outlets are reporting and obviously their reporting will be heard by the families of many of the people on board the allergic. what those families will be hearing, what is reported by many of the russian media out u outlets here is that the pilot called to say he was having

technical issues and requested an emergency landing at the airport. that's what the families of those on board the acre are alerting at this stage. very few other details. it was yet to be corroborated by officials here. president putin already calling for a special commission to investigate precisely what took place here. >> nic, can you tell us about the airliner that has crashed here? houveng has it been if service? what's its safety record? >> 1993 is when the airline began. it's commonly known as metro jet. if you look at the airline, what you see written on the side is metro jet. the details we have about this air frame, which request is that this air frame, itself, is

20-years-old, it came into service in 2012 with the metro jet. that's when they took possession and began using it. prior to that, it had been used by middle eastern carriers. so those are the slender details we have so far. the question, though, that i think is sitting out in everyone's mind at the moment is what was it apparently that the pilot was calling about? what technical issue was he having? what may have preceded this? were there any warning signs in the days ahead, of course, the investigation for the president is pushing for willing to get to the bottom of some of those details. >> lots of questions will hopefully be uncovered. >> we have analysis. we have aviation expert, i want to take this with us in two parts. reporting from nic robertson that right now in russia they

were called by one of the pilots to the grounds. there were technical issues. first, let's talk about the reporting. is it credible to believe that that reporting would be accurate so soon after the crash to say that that would be public so soon after this crash? >> it is credible. whether it's confirmed or fought, that is something we can find out when the black box is released or we actually get the conversation between the pilots and ground control, air traffic control. so if he had actually requested the landing. that might rule out it being attacked by a missile. because it sounds so something might have gone technical. this is a rapidly changing story. now, the actual aircraft st. a work horse. many airlines have them and as we heard, this one was actually owned by other people and at the

end of the lease is they give up the leads and another aircraft operator will take it over. but all the time, these acre maintained to the highest standards because it's over, the owner demands it. i don't think it's a maintenance issue although i hear that again speculation, some of the crew are complaining about the condition of the architect. at the end of the day the captain has a rate to reject an aircraft, if he doesn't think it's fit to fly. >> so beyond the concerns about the maintenance of the aircraft are you seeing anything here, any other variables that would would point to or ask is that a red flag that the investigation should be concerned about? >> well, let us put it this way. it is a very, very difficult area. there is local insurgency there.

so as your correspondent said, many hundreds have been killed over the years, it's in a difficult position. but i understand that the various authorities are actually getting ambulances there. apparently the reports i'm receiving is that it is a debris field. this didn't come down if one piece, which is the sad part about this. >> yeah, still waiting for confirmations about our team. one more question, as you look at the weather beyond the geopolitical situation there on the ground, any concerns about the weather that that could have played some role here? any anomaly there? >> well, you get weird things called wind shear. the weather, in fact was pretty good. but you don't know, but its pure speculation at this time. we have to get the weather experts on it. if the pilot has, in fact,

radioed and says he's got technical issues, that does mean that he's actually gone through all his procedures to correct these issue, if he gets warning flag, whatever, it could be a fuel blockage. we just don't know. there are many things, but hopefully we'll soon find out what is hatching to see the beebe debris field. >> i will put it to the egyptian authorities, russian torts him you say julien, more than 20 ambulances rushing to that area. 220 passengers, crew members, thank you so much. we will likely come back to you throughout this show to get your analysis as more information comes in. >> thank you. >> we will continue to follow the breaking news storiments reaction as well from world leaders on a major white house

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. >> new this morning the war on isis is intensifying. a video has surfaced online. it shos the beheading of four peshmurga fighters, at the end

of the video, a mast masked man addresses president obama before he executes one of the prisoners. he tells the president the reacts are if retaliation of a daring rescue that happened in northern iraq. >> this comes as the white house announces u.s. troops will be deployed on the ground in syria, fewer tan 50 special op forces, rather, is the most significant escalation of the american campaign against isis to date if syria. meanwhile the defense secretary ash carter is talking about the importance of the u.s. role in assisting rebel forces there. >> we got to beat isil. we will beat isil. these guys are evil. they're, you know, we are as i said the federal building. they are the evil. we can beat them, but keeping a beat means somebody who lives there has to be a part of the defeat and take over and that's the turkey part is finding

capability and motivated local force, when we can enable. >> cnn joins us to discuss, a lot of criticism coming out about the obama administration, flip-flopping, them not sending two force, what are you hearing? >> good morning, i'm hearing two dozen special forces are headed to syria, they're bringing u.s. troops that much closer to the front line, president obama secretly told defense secretary ash carter a few months ago, he wanted faster progress in the war against isis in both syria and iraq. he told carter to come up with a plan, a u.s. official tells us, now the president ordered a small number of special operations soldiers into northern syria to help local forces fight isis. the team, no more than 50 troops total could include members of the elite delta force and green berets as well as navy seals. their mission, to provide

communication and intelligence. until now the president has long said he would not put troops in syria. the white house insists that's true. >> these forces do not have a combat mission. this is not in anyway an attempt to diminish the risks that they will face or the bravery they will need to summon to carry out these operations. >> now, the special operations forces are expected to be sent from iraq across the border into northern syria. the u.s. will use f-15 and 810 jets from southern turkey. all a part of an effort to help forces to take back isis' proclaimed capital city of rocha. make no mistake, obama wanted to put troops on the ground. that's what's happening here.

>> if it isn't the thought you open the door to some special ops troops going in, you swing the door wide opened for a bigger mission here. >> reporter: that's certainly what others are saying, but the earn can, allison, still does remain if you put combat troops even in advisory roles, they end up in these situations, you can see casualties when that does, in fact, happen. the u.s. puts people on the ground him if combat occurs, u.s. troops don't move away him that's the concern here. >> thank you so much. >> retirement leiutenant general mark letterling. the president, as chris said there, has repeatedly promised u.s. grounds forces would not be enfwajed in isis. let's listen to the president and then we'll talk. >> i did not foresee a scenario in which boots on the ground in

syria, american boots on the ground would not only be good for america but also would be good for syria. >> i will not put american boots on the ground if syria. i will not pursue an open ended action like iraq or afghanistan. >> the resolution resubmitted today does not call for the deployment of u.s. ground combat forces to iraq or syria. now, combat force, that's the important phrase, the white house press secretary saying some of these conversations were about the fight against assad, not the fight against isis. does this correspond with the president's promise? is this a flip-flop a river? >> it is not a flip-flop, victor. again, a part of the challenge here is when civilians use and i include the president in that, even though he is the commander-in-chief, use the phrase boots on the ground. because it is not doctrinal. it is fought truly descriptive

of what is happening. we aren't talking unifor parts landing somewhere. we are talking about what the mission is of these individuals who will go there. i think there is an attempt to portray people who are in combat on the ground. when you have large forces there, that's a combat force. they conduct operations. they go after the enemy. in this case, special operators are advisers. they are helping knit together a very strange patchwork of not only sunni-arab coalition but also kurdish fighters. so they can be more effective in northern syria and in iraq. >> let's put that grabbing up. i think this is excellent forces, 300 and 1,700 and 3,500. we know there already fewer than

50 going into syria. leiutenant general, is there any reason to believe this will stay at fewer tan 50. a few doesn't can get the job done? >> i don't expect them to. they are a force unto themselves. there will probably be more in the future. 50 is the initial crunch. they can do a great deal. they are kicked as different kurdish forces try and fight. so they make that connection. more importantly, they are connected closely with these f-15s an a-10s that are rapidly going in to interlicht to reenforce the force tlmt are you talking about an unbelievable combat power generated by a few individuals on the ground who can gather intelligence and bring the fight to the enemy in cooperation with the kurdish and arab forces. >> let's extrapolate. we heard this from senator john mccain, chairman of the senate

armed services committee. he said if we have to put it up on the screen, if not. i'll read it. unfortunately, this limited action is yet another insufficient step, such judging incrementalism is woefully inadequate to the scale of the challenge we says face. so if you expect this will grow to more than 50, why not send in the number rightfully kneaded from the start? do you agree? >> that's the challenge with for mccain's approach from the beginning. what you have do is get the combat on the ground and find out who the right people to connect with. if we have the right people and they were fighting for their own, you have to find the right people first. if you literally deploy a large group of american forces on the ground and don't have a mission for them to do.

don't have someone for them to connect with they are wasted resources, right now. we are beginning to generate more intelligence, more partnership with syrian arabs and also kurd forces and we have had deployments into turkey with our air power. so all of those things build. again, that's very different tan say, hey, at the very beginning, we should ship hundreds or thousands into thissiar when you done have a clear mission set for them to do. >> thank you for your insight. >> thank you, victor. of course, we are coverig the breaking news as well, a russian jetliner crashes 224 people on board we're waiting for a news conference, expecting that to happen any minute. the latest after the break.

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. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> the breaking news this morning is out of egypt. a russian passenger jet carrying 224 people crashed in sinai. we get a lot of details, unfortunately, not all the details we are hoping to get. let's get you caught up to what we know, though, russian state media is reporting this a-321 was operated by metro jet kogalymavia. flight 9268 was headed from the

resort town of st. petersburg, russia. $224 people on board, including 17 children. they lost contact with air traffic control 23 minutes into the flight. egyptian officials say the wreckage has been found. dozens of ambulances have been sent the that crash sight. >> as which cover this breaking news, if anybody wants to know, what caused this plane to go down w. we want to bring in allison chin char. do know know if weather was a factor? >> one. to know at terrain, it's very highly elevated. this area here, we believe the plane has likely gone down him again, we don't know the specifics just yet. but one thing is not just the terrain the wind the clouds, a

lot of different factors go into this. this is using slight aware. notice you can use the path of the flight. this is the last spot that they were able to track that flight. when we take a look alt the wind, here is that pyramid again, looking where we believe the flight may have gone down, ten miles an hour. we look at not only the surface winds, boat the upper level winds, most flights fly somewhere between 20 to 40,000 feet above the surface. so you have to take into account, multiple layers of the atmosphere and the winds that are encountered. also looking at the satellites, again the sthd is the peninsula, we have a tropical cyclone that not only did that have an impact on the crash, it will not have any impacts on the recovery efforts as well so that is also very good news him. here is that sinai pens larks not looking at it very much.

this is -- we don't have much else out there. this is taken from nasa world wide. you can see a lot of clouds of this region. we were limited in terms of both clouds and any important wind that we would have seen throughout that area. guys, it is in my professional opinion that weather did not likely play much of an impact t. good news is during the recovery effort whether it will not be a problem for them some hopefully, that will provide some smooth weather conditions for the recovery effort. >> that's exactly where i was going to go, we have seen in the past, unfortunately, weather made it difficult for recovery crews to get to that allison chinchar, thank you so much. let's bring back our aviation editor julian yen. we have received something from the civil ministry this plane was flying at 31,000 feet when it disappeared from radar

screens, what does that tell you? what can you believe from thunder,000 feet being the last elevation or alt tute when this was on radar? >> well, it does confirm that everything stopped where it was. i am hearing other reports unconfirmed that the plane actually got down and split in two and there are reports again unconfirmed that voices have been heard suggesting there may be possible survivors, so it's not a recovery, but still a rescue operation. if that is true, that is relatively good news. we hope that is the case. it's interesting to hear your weather forecast there. your weather expert. of course, it is slightly mountainous. you get wind shear at those conditions, so that would be a factor. but this particular aircraft is

well able to cope with that, it has all the latest technology on board. indeed, it is a fly by aircraft. which means everything is run by batteries and batteries of computers and back-up systems as well. >> julien, alison kosic as well. are you hearing survivors, you are hearing reports of survivors possibly. anything that you can see l see in that central area of sinai that would pre vent rescuers from getting that fact? >> well, there is a level of insurgency. you get outbreaks, terrorists are related to isis. though a few hundred people have been killed. it's not a major area of conflict. but it's enough to be irritateing and to delay the masses. however, if there is a concerted effort. my understanding is egyptian fighter jets, that energy sponsor the debris or where the

plane came down. so it does sound as though there is an operation to get to the site and also to try and recover whatever they can. but i'm hopeful if the krois reporter is correct. so that's some communicators going around with have been a. >> coordinates say those are unconfirmed reports. totally unconfirmed from 31,000 feet, it would be nothing short of a miracle that there would be survivors. >> we hope for the best in the context of this. who is involved in investigations began as we hear the prime minister there in russia has launched, who else would be involved? >> well, obviously, the egyptian would be involved and the

israelis, well, sorry, the egyptians, not the israelis, because it actually lets sharm el sheikh and it is one of their particular airlines. it's known locally as metro jets. this time of year it starts to get cold, charm el sheikh is the ideal family resort and very popular. it's a series of schedules and flights, now, so normally, they don't have any problems. i really don't think it's a weather problem. it could well be a bird strike or fuel lines are blocked or something like that. or it could just be a catastrophic failure. it's come down. but, obviously, this is a fast moving story. information is coming in. albeit somewhat sketchy. it is terribly speculative.

i'm getting experts ringing me up with possible suggestion. they've also got other contacts within the aviation industry. they've all given them a thumbs up to this particular aircraft and its maintenance record. it's actually sort of going to need its surface schedules. >> i hear your phone ringing him we will come back to you later in the show him we will continue throughout the morning. we will be right back. in

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. >> a dozen or so protesters chanting black lives matter, cut off hillary clinton while she was speaking at clark atlanta university on friday. this went on for about 15 minutes. civil rights icon congressman john lewis says to confront the protesters shutting above clinton. cnn was there and has the latest. >> reporter: good morning, allison, victor, it was an extraordinary situation, one i have never seen before, a standoff between hillary clinton and protesters of black lives matter, which went on for almost the entire length of her speech as she tried to roll out her plan for criminal justice reform. democratic president hillary clinton click i kicked off her africans with applause.

she was met and escorted on stage by civil rights icon congressman john lewis. then this happened. just minutes into her remarks. about ten protesters of the plaque lives matter movement entered the front of the gymnasium and took over. clinton immediately tried the to address them. now, my friends, i'm going to get to some very important points that actually prove that black lives do matter and we have to take action together. >> reporter: congressman lewis and mayor reed went to the floor to confront the protesters, pleading with them to stop. among the crowd of more than 2,000. people been taking out cell phones to record as the audience became increasingly distracted. clinton continued to tell the stories of the struggles of historic plaque leaders, which garnered cheers from the crowd, but the protests continued.

for nearly 30 minutes, it was a standoff between hillary clinton and black lives matter. lewis and reed gave up trying to silence the protesters, instead, joined clinton on stage literally shoulder-to-shoulder to literally let her know they had her back as security continued. the crowd cheered, let her talk and applauded her victory. >> i appreciate the congressman and the mayor having my back. >> reporter: clinton then proceeded to layout ore reform. ar her remarks, she stayed for another 30 minutes. shaking hands with the choir, taking selfies. >> it's unfortunate they didn't listen to the secretary. because i think she would have been an asset, many of that

grow-op that they are concerned about. >> later, i asked the black lives matter protesters who kicked out what they had hoped to accomplish. >> to interrupt the process of exploration of plaque spaces and production for both. we don't think that, hillary's campaign has not been centered on prioritizing the lives of plaque people. >> reporter: several were disappointed they didn't get the support of lewis and many in the crowd. >> when you have a disruption, you hear that they're disappointed in us for doing some of the things they did when they were our age fighting for similar issues that haven't been fixed. then it's concerning because we're looking at each other like what else should we do? . >> reporter: those in attendance had mixed reactions. >> i think what they have to say is important. i don't think near method was particularly helpful. it made kind of all of us look bad in a sense. i think she's advocating for us, here we are fighting against

her, well the group was fighting against her. >> reporter: as for clinton. she moved on to south carolina t. african-american vote is vic i critical. there she spoke at an ncaacp meeting. it illustrates the challenge she faces with an older traditional civil rights leaders. it's far from clear she has the backing of young african-american voters who want her to earn their support and who she needs to win for the democratic nomination. allison, victor. >> thank you so much ron brown steen, good to have you. i wonder, is this an isolated standoff or indicative of something more, these candidates still have not crafted a response or wait to chu them in the conversation? >> boy, there are so many things to plunge into here, a few thoughts, first, you compare

hillary clinton to bill clinton. her husband and the overall center of gravity on these issues, that i have moved enormously. he crafted a bill by vice president joe biden that did increase federal penalties for a number of offenses and also expanded policing and so forth. now she has moved a long way from a policy perspective towards the black lives matter movement. yet is facing pressure to go further. second, it's still in the map. african-american voters are a huge asset and the two person race with bernie sanders, she was leading him 12 to one. real quickly the third.it was resonant about caulking about the previous generation as a famous story when john lewis was one of the freedom riders and almost killed for his heroic civil activism, traveling on

buses in the segregated south. john f kennedy famously said, can't you get your friends to stop? so there is a long politicians finding this comforting. there is also a generational split here. in the end, most older activists understand the way you had vans these goals is through the end in the political process. >> let's talk about launching african-americans yesterday and in the evening at that gala. is there anything indication that the level of support and the passion of support that we saw from african-americans to support barack obama will transfer to hillary clinton this cycle? >> yeah, i think, african-americans, their participation has been on a secular long-term incracy that began before obama. in fact, in 2012, african-american turnout i plaev for the first time ever was slightly higher than white

turnout. in a democratic primary, there is no question, hillary clinton will have a huge advantage of african-american voters, one if five, all the polls show her leading bernie sanders among hispanics as well overwhelmingly, the big question is turnout in the general election. i think part of the challenge there is not only unique to her, it's more generic. the they see the political process as a way of extending these goals, also, do they believe they need to have a conversation with all of society. right now, their energy has been zupting their allies in confronting those less sympathetic to those views. >> there has been a meaning between black lives matter and a couple candidates. they are with some of the candidates him we have the leave it there.

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>> coming up on the top of the hour now, a justice department investigation is under way into the shooting death of a south carolina teenager by a police officer. the incident happened in july. the stunning police dash-cam video was released this week along with the announcement that

the officer involved wouldn't be charged. we have the video there. >> that teenager's name is zachary hammond. the teenager says they are angry. they are disappointed. nick valencia is following this story. >> you have to look very quickly t. video happened quickly amount 19-year-old on a date with a woman the target of a drug sting. the newly released dash-cam video shows according to him and parents, the officer acted overly aggress i and their son did not have to be shomt we want to warn you, some of this video can be considered graphic. >> reporter: you can hear the tires screech as the leiutenant pulse into the parking lot. in less than a few second, gunfire. the two shots killed the driver, 19-year-old zachary hammond. vrths say he had drugs in his system and packaged cocaine in his pocket. listen as leiutenant tiller describes why he opened fire.

>> he hit me. >> the police camera show what they say was a drug sting, the target the passenger of the car, 25-year-old tracy morgan. she was on a date with hammond at the time of the shooting. her sobs can be heard as an officer stand over hammond. the video was released this week, days before leiutenant tiller is cleared of wrongdoing. after a careful consideration of the fact of the case the solicitor writes in her ruling, i have zermd that no criminal charges should be fired against leiutenant mark tiller at the state level. she continues, this has been a very difficult case. no parent should ever are to bury their child. >> we are more disappointed by investigation that seemed more focused on attacking the victim than investigating the shooter. >> at a press conference thursday, hammond's parents and attorney say the blame for the fatal shooting rests solely on leiutenant tiller.

>> you would need a set of glasses that doesn't even exist to say that leiutenant tiller was in danger of being struck by that automobile. >> in an interview shortly after the shooting the seneca police chief defended his officer. >> you know when you sign up to be a police officer, that career you might have to use deadly force. >> reporter: choking back tear, hammond's mother says the video proves her son should not have been shot. >> zach cared more about timmer's life than tiller cared ab zach. >> the hammond family and their attorney have reached out to the department of justice. we did reap out for the attorney who said his client acted if self conversations and the solicitor's decision supports this. >> let's bring in criminal defense attorney joey jackson. good morning.

>> good morning. >> no criminal charges for the officer, can the family move forward with a civil suit? >> i think they really could. i think they can do so successfully him when you examine this investigation you need to look at three specific things, let's imagine for a minute that viewers are jurors, you have to ask the following questions, one, was lethal force necessary, number two, the necessity of using any type of force leth am or otherwise, was it proportionate to any threat posed. did he act as another officer in his position would. if the answer photo those is not supportive. it becomes problematic. one of the things in looking at the eight-page report written by the solicitor is there was an ad mission there were policies and

protocols violated by the officer, it was dismissed as not relevant. they may have dismissed it in a criminal context. certainly in a civil context, it is going to be very relevant. in terms of the views were, we see people looking at i. i don't have to be descriptive. they're suggesting the, the solicitor, he was about to be run over and he was going to be sliding underneath that car him when this is brought to bear, i think you deal with a different standard with a civil jury, did this officer act in a reasonable way by a preponderance of the everyday and did he use force, was it fess by a preponderance of the evidence. i think it's a far different standards, they can be successful if it goes that far. >> we know a department of justice investigation is continuing. is it possible that officer actualer could face federal charges? >> you know, it's always possible, allison. i don't see it for the following

reason when you are looking at a federal civil rights criminal charge, you are looking at intentional deprivation of a civil rights, the right to be freed from excess iive force th is that he was careless, violated procedure. he was reckless criminally. he consciously disregarded the width by jumping out of the way of the car. procedures were violated. but from a federal point of view, you have to show he tension ally willfully wanted to deprive someone of their civil rights. it's not enough that you act with recklessness, based on those standards, allison, i don't see a successful civil rights produces cushion or the

federal government going after him. >> joey jackson. thanks so much for your analysis on this. >> there is a lot to tell you about the russian airliner. >> the next hour on "new day" starts right now. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning, i'm alison kosic in for christy paul. >> i'm victor plaquewell. we start with that news out of egypt. a russian passenger jet crashed in mt. sinai. it took off in the town sharm el-sheikh. it was headed to st. petersburg, russia. that was 23 minutes into that flight. >> russian officials say they're sending five planes to the site

of where the crash is and dozens of ambulances have been rushed to the crash site. any effort to reach the site, it could be difficult because of what it's like. we have rough terrain there. >> international editor nic robertson is live in moscow. >> aviation editor ian lee is in cairo. we understand the prime minister has been meeting with minsters and security officials, what are you hearing this morning? >> we are now hearing the prime minister will be headed out to the scene of the crash. we are also hearing from state media is reporting this is lakely a technical failure up there saying on state media, they're ruling out any sort of foul play. this plane took off early in the morning and 5:58 local time and

they disappeared from radar at about 6 checkpoint 20. about 300 kilometers into the flight t. site of the crash is in north central sinai. we are hearing roughly 50 planss have made their way to the site of the crash. now, reuters is reporting and which have not been able confirm this but reuters is reporting there are voices being heard at the site of the crash. now this plane, what we are hearing from the civil aviation administration here in iro this lane quell e if el from 31,000 feet. so anyone surviving thatsh kra. it is nothing short of a miracle but we haven't heard any official update from the egyptian officials what the site of the crash looks like and what's going on there.

this crash was found by egyptian military jets that were in the sky at the time. they were able locate this plane, now, if there are survivors, we are told by the egyptian government. they will be brought to hospital here in iro. but at this time from what we're hearing, both sides, 217 passengers, including seven crew members. there is no word on their fate at this moment. >> all right. in cairo, the latest reporting, the prime minister en route there to the crash scene in sinai. >> right. let's move on to we have richard quest with us right now. >> good morning. >> richard, good morning. we are hearing the pilot said there was some sort of technical problem. are you hearing that as well? >> okay. al "son, there was an enormous amount of confusion this morning of which we need to thread ourselves very carefully

through. for instance, the actual acre, itself, initial reports say it's an a-321, now egyptians say it was an airbus 380. i find that less likely with that number of passengers. so we have that level of confusion we have to be careful about. there there is this report of potential survivors, it came out at 31,000 feet. if you look at the rate of dissent of the aircraft, it's vertical rate of dissent, it seems highly unlikely there were survivors. again, that's the l. of confusion, then have you the effort of did the pilot make some calls saying that he was, there were technical problems or he had radio difficulties. >> that is not confirm. that is confusion this morning as well.

so an enormous amount of i can't call them facts coming from the egyptian author the egyptian side at the moment, with i we simply don't know. remember if these incidents, it is the stage of okurnsz that has the responsibility of investigating this, so it's where the accident happened that has, that has been able to hold the investigation and there is some question over whose airspace it was when the accident took place so i'm suggestings, allison, at this hour, we have to tread with ultimate caution, with every single fact, other than that, we know this metro airbus came out of the sky this morning with multiple loss of life. >> we are dealing with governments. some of the initial reports are

erroneous. i want to you stay with us. i want you to bring in nic robertson who is in moscow. we know that the russians are deploying resources and investigation, what are we learning? >> reporter: the latest the russians come from the embassy if cairo. on their official twitter account. that say bodies are beginning to be recovered and removed from the crash site. this is the first indication we've had that that is happening what the embassy in cairo is being back taught by force, okay, the larger russian infrastructure here, president putin has called for a commission, a special vision i commission to investigated. he's ahead of the transport minister. he will head that investigation. we heard as well now from the deputy minister of the emergency ministry here. they are playing a leading role

from events now. they are sending five aircraft, russian aircraft to aid in the recovery efforts. they're sending those to egypt rate now. we also understand that transport minister who will head the special commission. but the russians are putting the senior transport minister will be on his way to egypt as well. this is information provided to russians here. >> richardch i want to bring you back if. we learned that the last altitude record-of-or last on radar is 31,000 feet from the egyptian civil aviation ministry. is there anything that can be gleaned or ruled out. no record of a precipitous event

on radar, 31,000 and then gone? >> no, there is evidence of a precipitous dissent and you start in this case according to flight. the plane took off about 50 minutes not 58 past the hour. so it's about 18 to 20 minutes into the flight i believe when this incident took place. it's at 31,000 feet. it's in its initial crew's phase, which is an extremely safe phase of flight most incidents happen on takeoff and lanr landing. so for something to happen which brings down and fatally destroys aircraft is unusual. looking at the incomess as i see at the moment the plane gets to 33,000 feet.

it's higher than the egyptians gets to. it gets to about 33, that,000 feet. then its rate of dissent is kuwait dramatic. and it seems to have a very variable rate of dissent. it's falk and rising. and that goes for quite some second before the plane finally has succumbed. so whatever happened at 32,000 odd feet was dramatic enough that made the plane either uncontrollable or the way it was being flown, it aim uncontrollable and slow. >> richard, what can you tell us about the air carrier, metro jet in moscow. do you know what the safety record is like? >> no, i don't. i can tell you, i have been around since around 2012 and it has about five a-321s in its fleet. it flies under the brand of m

metro jet. >> that has not been since 1819, many aircraft fly around the united states, so that shouldn't be a concern. those are the two aspects that will be crucial. i have no doubt. those will be crucial. was the aircraft properly maintained? and that is talk about high russianallyvation. russia has had a safety problem

post-soviet union. many new carriers. they have had difficulty with safety. >> nic robertson. we heard from you reporting in cairo, that the egyptians have said there is no evidence of foul play here, considering the region, when this plane took off and started to have problems, have the russians made any comments similar to those or speaking auto all about the potential for foul play? >> the russians haven't made a comment at all. they will certainly be aware of their rates profile in the middle east. they will certainly be aware that isis made threats since they upped their operations inside syria. i don't think they'll join or make too rapid conclusions, the fact that president putin came out early on this, called for a

special commission. there are clear avenues this government wants to explore and make sure it doesn't have terrorist links or find out to the contrary, if that's the case. there will be many things that point in the other direction. but the russians will certainly be aware their no file and the threat to them over the past month in the middle east by isis has gone up. they have attracted a lot of negative attention from isis. they're targeting them they say inside syria. >> fic robertson, thanks. we will continue to cover this breaking news, the latest in the 50 ambulances en route. russian has sent five planes

there we hear this recovery mission begins as well. stick with us. we'll continue the coverage. >> right now. we move on to other news, isays preparing syria as isis strikes back with a message to the u.s. also ahead, deadly flooding in texas a. flash flood watch is in effect. we will get the latest from emergency officials. could jeb bush's presidential hopes ride an attacks against his friend, marco rubio? one campaign is struggle, the other gets stronger. we are breaking it down a little later this hour. zplmplt

zplmplts. >> new this morning, the war on isis is intensifying. a video reportedly surfaced online. it shows the beheading of four kurdish peshmurga fighters. at the end of the video, a masked man addresses president

obama before he executes one of the prisoners. he themes the president that these actions are in retaliation for a daring rescue that happened in northern iraq. coming as the white house announces u.s. troops will be deployed on the ground in syria. the deployment of around 50 special ops forces is the most significant escalation of the american campaign against isis to date. cnn is live for us from washington with the latest. you know to say the video is disturbing, talk about the timing, the timing is interesting as well. >> well, that's exactly right, we see special ops are headed to syria, bringing the troops that much closer to the front lines. >> president obama secretly told ash carter a few months ago he wanted faster progress against the war in isis in syria and iraq and to come up with a plan a u.s. official says, now the

president ordered a small number of special operations soldiers that northern syria to help local forces fight isis. >> the president does expect that they can have an impact in intensifying our strategy inside syria to taking the fight on the ground to isil. >> reporter: the change no more than 50 troops total could include the green berets and delta as far as and navy seals. tear mission to provide mission, communication and place to kurdish forces oak. until now the president long said he would not put troops in combat, especially in syria. the white house insists that itself still true. >> these forces do not have a combat mission. this is not a anyway an attempt to diminish the risk that they will face or the bravery they will need to summon to cheer out

these operations. >> secretary carter did not discuss the ground troops meeting with service members in alaska friday night he did say isis is one of the biggest threats. >> we have to beat isil. they're evil and you know we are as i said the noble and they are the evil. we are the many and they are the few and fundamentally we're the strong. so we will beat them and we're, but doing that now, and figuring out how to get better at it. >> the special operation forces are said to be across the border into syria, the u.s. will use. isis is self proclaimed capital

city. obama wanted to avoid putting troops on the ground where they will likely end up if combat situations him allison. >> the obama administration lacks criminal for doing this about face. they say, if we look at it, mr. believe it really is, not not sort of say, own up to it and say, yes, we changed our minds. we want to send small combat forces to start. >> well, i think the obama administration is saying we are only sending advisers, they don't want to open the door to that troops on the ground. as we've seen, recently, troops have been killed in these advisory roles. so it really does as you say open the door to a question of how involved these will be? these are small teams. we will keep an eye on the fact that these are the nose under the tent here allison. >> it's certainly important not to toerth these american forces will be in harm's way. thanks so much. >> all right. let's get more from cnn military

analyst mark hertling. first. let's get to the basic ws here, when we say they will be adviseing and assisting. who will they be advising and assisting. i think there are groups the u.s. doesn't know as much about it as it would like. >> that's true, when you take a lack at northern syria, very different from iraq t. advise and assist roles were to train a large formation of iraqi soldiers to go after isis in anbar and northern iraq. in syria, what you are talking about, consider this, are you in a neighborhood with a bunch of different people and you are traying to pull them altogether. each one of the special operators will try and coordinate action. they will provide them with tools, some with supplies and logistics. probably not much training, truthfully.

these are u.s. fighters. the u.s. will go in and attempt to coordinate the actions of a lot of desperate and various groups. we are talking about arab tribe that all fight for different reasons and kurdish forces fighting for sfwevenlt special forces go in to try to coordinate their action, defend their own territory and event wally retake rocha. >> the answer to one of the other questions, what exactly they will be dock here, they have many of these forces have varied interests and varied reasons for fighting. is it possible that the u.s. can go into syria and focus solely on isis and not pawn aside? >> definitely, thanks. >> that's the strategic intent. remember, one of the things i think we confuse is are we attempting to help top him assad? that is not the priority and

intent. we intend to destroy and defeat isis. >> i'm sorry. >> can it be ignored in. >> noing i think the free syrian armies are looking to encounter assad. they have to defend inner that own tribal areas t. special operators will, do they will defend them against advances of isis by helping them fight. more importantly by bringing in air power. i think that's the critical event that will occur that you will see in northern syria. >> the syrian kurds in the u.s. will be the special operation, commandsos said they want more, more arms, more resources, is it likely we will see in addition to the assistance of the man power going in, a large cache of weapons going to them as well? >> well, i've worked a long time with kurdish forces in northern

iraq. they are excellent fighters. they are also national ittic. what they want is a kurdish homeland. they want to defend themselves in a nationalistic way. that itself very different than you are talking about with the syrian-arab coles. they are looking to basically defend tear tribes. think of the kurds as one group, trying to defend a homeland that they are trying to establish, which causes other problems, versus the arab tribes, syrian arab tribes, which are very interested in tribal connection and it's going to be very difficult. but i think, yes, you will hear the mantra from the kurds with efadi more, we need more, that's because they want to establish their own state. >> all right. leiutenant general mark hertling, thank you' much. >> thank you. when we come back, we will have the latest on that breaking news out of egypt that russian jetliners crashing in sinai. reports now that bodies are being recovered.

>> that itself from the twitter account of the russian embassy in cairo. more on this story in a moment. in n the first line. we are already over 200,000. our collaboration with citi has been very important from the very beginning. citi was our biggest supporter and our only private bank. we are not only being efficient in the way we are moving people now, we are also more amicable to the environment. people have more time for the family and it's been one of the most rewarding experiences to hear people saying: "the metro has really changed my life."

. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> the breaking news this morning out of egypt. metro flight 9268 has crashed into sinai. russian state media reports the flight was carrying 224 people, sfaen of them children. at this hour, the russian embassy has reported that bodies are now being recovered from the crash site. i want to bring you aviation correspondent richard quest is following this story from london

and richard, something you said when you were up at the top of the hour stood out in which you had questions about the being an a-321 because of the number of people the number of passenger and crew? >> no, what this is, is no i have no questions about it being a 321. i believe it was a 321. the egyptians put out a statement saying it was an a-3 when the. so what i was saying is i have doubts about that statement. i'm pretty certain, this was, we know the aircraft identification code. we know the route that it was on, simply looking at the number of passengers on board tells me it's an a-320. i was just clarifying to anybody who has seen this report from egypt saying it's an a-320 i was doubting. that it's a 321. >> got it. >> to viewers who may be a

little unfamiliar, they're all a part of the same family, small short jet known as the - a-320. it goes from 18, 19, 20 and 21. and all really that means is that the aircraft gets longer and longer and longer to more passengers. once you start getting up to 220 passenger, are you talking an a-321. >> let's talk about the russian aviation industry and the number of incidents that you mentioned in the last hit. it has happened in the last several areas, several decades. >> eyou,es, i mean, russia has more accidents than say, for example, one would expect in western europe or in the united states. if you look at the iarta safety report for 2014, forgive me looking down, i want to get

these numbers absolutely right. are you talking about the accident rate of a million flights. you are still talking about a very high degree or margin of safety. north americans have one accident rate per million flights. europe the eu has 1.35 accidents per million flights. the cis commonwealth independent states has 2.fine. so it's getting on to nearly double, over double the u.s. rate. it's still compares very favorable to say africa which had 11.18. what does it tell me? it tells me that in russia and the cis, you have a fast growing aviation sector, with many new aircraft, many modern architect airbus and boeing going into the sector. it's training and infrastructure. both of those, you can't say one

without the other. training and infrastructure, not keeping up with the pace of growth. we seen it in asia, we seen it in the cis as well? we will see if there is a maintenance issue or technical difficulty as this investigation continues. richard quest in london for us. thank you so much. >> and the cause of the accident very much in question. allison chinchar has been looking at whether weather conditions could have played a role at the time of the crash. she joins us live from the weather center. allison. >> that's right wmt etake a look him we have a couple things to keep eye out for, the top okayography, up in the region where we do expect this flight likely went down, somewhere in this area. again, have you high elevation. with that comes winds, now, normally, those can be a factor, especially if you have planes taking off or coming down in that general aregion. but this plane would have been well up into the atmosphere. we are talking 20, 30, 40,000 feet up into the air, because it

had been in the air a while. it left down here in sharm el-sheikh. so it's been a while since that plane has taken off. winds likely in the a factor, regardless if it was in some of that rough terrain. we will take a look. we got the flight radar up here. we want to take a look at clouds. clouds were not a factor. neither were the winds. one. we do know the winds in this area were only around 10 miles per hour at best. now another. too, to note, when those winds, that's at the surface, the plane being a much higher, we take into account the winds in those higher he was of the atmosphere. those winds also, fougnot very strong, 10, 20,000 feet up into the air. the plane didn't encounter likely issues with the winds. clouds,s a, we had clouds over the water in this general area. not over the peninsula, itself. clouds, rain, none of that

should have been a factor. one. to note, as we go over the next couple of days, those conditions are expected to stay the same. allison, victor, we aren't expecting weather to hinder recovery efforts over the next couple of days. >> that is at least some good news as folks get doubt to this unstable and high ter ray area. >> allison, thank you very much. we will continue to follow this breaking news throughout the morning. zplmplth zplmplths. >> all right, new this morning, marco rubio, the strategic fundraiser, paul singer, now throwing his support and big dollars behind the junior senator from florida, endorsing what has been a good week for him a. rough weak for governor jeb bush. he's had to slash campaign staff salaries, deliver what has been described as a lackluster

performance at wednesday's debate, "wall street journal" columnist peggy noonan writing about this bid. she wrote this. it's hard for me to see how the can work. by hard for me i mane impossible him we are joined by republican strategist lisa booth, democratic strategy it's maria car don't na. it's great to have you with us. lisa, i want to start with you, this leaked jeb bush campaign memo to supporters calling marco rubio a ricky bet as the nominee against hillary clinton. marco rubio was asked about it yesterday. here's what he said. >> again, guys, it's a part of the decision they machltd think have a rate to make i. i don't think it's a job for republicans to do hillary clinton's job, one of the reasons we lost in 2012 weakened if nominees. i can't control the people's campaign. i can control mine. >> they mentioned hillary clinton him she tried this

against barack obama in 28. do you think it works this time for jeb bush and marco rubio? >> it's like dating the more desperate you get the unappealing you r. jeb bush is getting desperate. as he should. since mid-june his net favorably dropped. his campaign has had to slash their buck by nearly 50%. they cut pay rom by 40%, his chief ceo had to step down recently. he's got less cash on hand than other candidates like marco rubio, ted cruz and ben carson. the biggest problem for him. i think it's the fact that he's a lack lugser candidate. >> that is evidenced by the debate where he should have picked up the fact that marco rubio shut down attacks about his voting record. he hulled not have launched that attack. he received a counter brurksz as evidence by big donors.

>> they launch this on monday talking about how he can fix washington and what he fixed in florida s. that the problem that people don't believe that he's competent, that he can get the job done or they just want something else? >> i think all of that is jeb bush's problem, victor, before you can incredibly launch a "i can fix washington campaign" you have to launch a "i can fix my own campaign" campaign him i think that's what the underlying problem is. nobody from the beginning -- when i mane nobody, mostly republican voters have ever had any confidence that jeb bush is tear guy this time and that has been something that for him has been very hard to accept. every time he comes out to talk to the media, he seems like he's either whining, he's complaining, and, frankly, it is undercoreing everything donald

trump has been putting forth about jeb bush. he looks weak, he looks whiney. he looks wary, tired, doesn't have that fire in the belly. he always talked about being the candidate that will run a campaign in a joyful manner. >> the joyful tortoise, he said. >> exactly. it seems everything except that and so i think this is a time he has to reevaluate and, yes, he's saying that he's going to stay in this for the long run because he has a lot of money in his super pac. when you have a campaign that is foiling and you have to start cutting salaries and slashing staff, that's the beginning of the end. >> let's play. you talked about what some describe. you describe as whining and complaining him i want you to look at what jeb bush said about the next debate. listen . >> inaudible question ]. >> we will have more debates, do

whatever we can which is rudely interrupt standive questions. it's going feign. oh, yeah, you saw it. we're having lots of fun. >> what do you responds to that? i don't know if you can hear, we had the words there up on the screen he says i'll have to do what everyone else does, interrupt, maybe i'll get substantive questions. is he missing what he has to do? >> look, i think that jeb bush has the same problem as hillary clinton, they're yesterday's news, republican versus a lot of candidates in this primary field that represent the future. the biggest rob with jeb bush is republicans that really need to paint a contrast with the sale of the obama administration, richer class got richer and middle class are poor. middle class families have a state insurance premiums of 35%.

guess who the beneficiaries have been in the big insurance companies the hospitals who are consolidating getting bigger. the lower man is getting hurt, more small businesses than ever in this country have gone untan being created for the first time in history. we need a candidate able paint conforecast. hillary clinton will perpetuate the same failed poises. >> marco rubio, let me come back to you. this helps his campaign, there have been democrats that said he is the candidate they are most worried about. >> oh, i wouldn't say worried about. i think, frankly, hillary clinton will be able to go up against any republican, that is on the debate stage this past week and win because, frankly, every single policy that they are espousing will actually hurt the middle class, will hurt the coalition of voters that actually make up what america looks like today. they have no credibility talking

about growing the economy, when you talk about the last two presidents creating jobs, growing the economy t. last two republican presidents -- failing the economy and decimateing jobs. i have looked at the commitment it goes up under democratic presidents. let's make that work class every single day between now and election day, i guarantee you, i will be inviting you no the next inauguration of the democratic are the. >> it's also important to say, i have to finish up here. it's important to say we are talking both marco rubio and jeb bush in the single digits. >> not exactly. >> not a single democratic defended the obama economy during the cnn debate. >> they all did is there we have to wrap it up. we'll continue this conversation. >> maria, lisa, good to have you

this morning. >> thank you, victor. >> coming up in the next hour, could nbc shut out of hosting a gop debate? we will talk about the fallout with republicans after that cnbc debate. it happened in seconds from the time police stopped the car before the first shots were fired the victim's parents say the south carolina police officer was acting overly aggressive. we will show you the police dash-cam video next.

in. >> our justice department is under way into the shooting death of a south carolina teenager by a police officer. the incident happened in july. the stunning police dash-cam video you sea right there. that was released this week along with the announcement that the officer involved would not be charged. >> the family says they're angry, disappointed as well. nick valencia is following this story. good morning. >> good morning, we spoke yesterday to the south carolina state representative todd rutherford. he says he sees a flat out execution. cnn obtained that newly released dash cam video. we'll let you decide for

yourself. we have to warn you, some people may find i find it disturbing. >> you can hear the tires screech as the leiutenant mark fuller walks into the parking lot. in less than a few seconds, two shots killed 19-year-old zachary hammond. he was unarmed. investigators say he had drugs in his system and pack and cocaine in his pocket. listen as the detective describes he opened fire. >> he trade to hit me. >> south carolina police say was a drug sting t. target, the passenger of the car, 25-year-old tracy morton. she was on a date with hammond at the time of the shooting. her sobs can be heard as an officer stands over hammond. the video was released this week, days before leiutenant tiller is cleared of wrongdoing. after a careful consideration of the facts of the case, the solicitor writes in her ruling,

i have determined that no criminal charges should be fired against leiutenant mark tiller at the state level. she continues, this has been a very difficult case. no parent should ever have to burier that child. >> we are more disappointed by an investigation that seemed for focused on attacking the victim, which was zach, than vecking the shooter. >> reporter: at a press conference, hammond's parents and attorney say the blame rests solely on leiutenant tiller. >> you would need a set of glasses that doesn't exist that say leiutenant tiller was in danger of being struck by that automobile. >> in an interview shortly after the police chief defended his officer. >> we know when you sign up for a police officer, that potential can end your career, that you may have to use deadly force. >> reporter: choking back tear, ham's mother says the video proves her son should not have been shot. >> zach cared more about timmer's life than tiller cared

ab zach. >> we reached out to leiutenant tiller's attorney, he says his client acted in self-defense the solicitor's decision defends the officer's action. the hammond family reached out to the department of justice who tried to push for federal charges. we will hear from them later this morning. we have an interview in the 11:00 a.m. hour. >> pending civil lawsuit. who knows when, you know, if they will settle. we seen interested past cases in police officer shootings where families have received millions of dollars in these cases. the family is hope. for that. they don't see a lawful shooting from that video. you could decide for yourself, that video out there. >> nick valencia, thanks investigators in egypt are beginning to find bodies at the site of a plane crash. official, trying to figure out what caused a flight with more than 200 people on board to come down. at the top of the hour, we're going to have live team coverage on this breaking story.

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people again and other people who may be needing assistance. there was a bit a lull overnight. and we haven't received any calls for rescues. so we will be picking that up as day breaks. >> we're wishing the best today, with all you're dealing with here, lisa bloc, travis county, thanks so much. alisyn. former wnba player holdsclaw struggled making an impact on her career by starting the conversation no one wants to have. ♪ >> reporter: once dubbed the female michael jord, shameka holds claw -- off, holds claw spent decades of what she calls a mental prison. >> i was feeling these extremely highs and lows. when you're the star of a team,

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kosik in for christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. we welcome you and viewers from around the world. we're following breaking news out of egypt in a passenger jet that crashed in the mt. sinai area in egypt. the washington embassy said bodies are being recovered but no reports of survivors. >> let's get you caught up. metrojet flight 9268 it took off just before 6:00 a.m. local time. it was headed from the popular resort town of sharm el sheikh in egypt to st. petersburg, russia. but it lost contact 22 minutes into the flight. >> russian officials say they are sending five rescue planes. those planes scheduled to take off about an hour from now. we've got coverage from around the world on this, this morning. ian lee, live in cairo. we're beginning with aviation correspondent richard quest in london. and the latest report coming

reuters that there are reports from different authorities say that the black box has been found. and this is still within hours of this crash. >> well, it's entirely possible that the black box has been found. but hard to say. i'm treating a lot of this stuff that we're hearing from the scene with an enormous amount of caution. this accident only happened a few hours ago. less than three or four hours ago. we're talking about a smoldering wreck still on the ground. let alone time to be sifting through wreckage finding black boxes. this plane came out of the sky from 31,000 -- 33,000 feet, that's a very severe rate of decent. so we feel, although it may be compact, it's going to be deep. there's going to be lots of pieces. the black boxes are bright orange or red and easy to see. i expect them to be perfectly

readable and usable. we've seen far worse situations than this. but i would -- i would put a very strong red flag out against many of the reports that we are hearing. particularly about recovery of bodies, question of survivors. and locating the black boxes. the experts, if you like, the aviation experts, haven't even got there yet. >> what about report, richard, that the pilot radioed to request a landing at a nearby airport before the aircraft was disappeared off the radar? >> yes, we've heard this one. that apparently he said there were some technical difficulties. but again, i'm going to put that with a red flag. pilots don't usually just say we're having some technical difficulties. we need to land an emergency. they're usually a little bit more precise than that. and tell the air traffic controller, you know, exactly what it is they need.

or what has gone wrong. maybe, maybe not. depends on how overwhelmed they were in what they were doing. every accident i've ever covered has always had this sort of pilot said this. and when you finally get to what they actually said, it's usually something completely different. so, certainly, we don't know if there was any may day. we don't know what if anything, the technical difficulties were. but we do know, we do know from independent verification from flightraid adar 24 that this pl gets to about 34,000 feet before it comes out of the sky. and the rate of descent is quite dramatic, going up to as much as 6,000 feet per minute. >> you made it clear, it's early in the investigation. taking a lot of these reports with a lot of caution. richard, thanks very much.

let's go on to ian lee, live in cairo for us. ian, what do you have. >> reporter: just to reiterate, what richard said, a lot of caution. we have been sifting through a lot of different rumors that have been coming out here in local media. and from other sources. the picture from what we're hearing from government officials here is that about 20 minutes into this flight, when the plane was a little over 150 miles north of sharm el sheikh, the departure, where the plane departed that is when the plane encountered some difficulties. and what that is, we do not know. we're hoping to learn more once they do recover the black boxes. we do know egyptian emergency personnel are on the site of the crash. this is the northern-central part of sinai peninsula, this is a mountainous terrain.

that could provide difficulty for sources trying to recover bodies, as well as wreckage. we heard that this wreckage was initially spotted by egyptian fighter jets and they reported to the egyptian authorities. and then they sent out about 50 ambulances. so, a lot of ambulances heading to that scene. but that's really, as far as we have it, all that the egyptian government has been saying. now there have been other rumors of voices being heard at the scene of the wreckage. and about that, we just cannot confirm. so, we need to dispel that right away. there also have been reports that people has saw the plane coming down. we just don't know any of that information right now, but these are some of the rumors, that if people are looking online, these are some of the things that they might be seeing. so, right now, we're waiting for the news to come out from that

black box, from this investigation, exactly what happened. >> ian, thank you so much. and you can only imagine that there are families that are waiting for some clarity here after the reports that this plane crashed. and we are getting some of the images of many of these families that are getting this news. and it's important that as ian stressed, and richard astressed as well, that the reports that we're getting from even many. news organizations, from state media, that we get some clarity. that this soon after a crash, we have to be careful. >> heartbreaking pictures here. you know, a lot of these families go from russia quite often to sharm el sheikh, is this a resort area in sinai. everybody goes to dive and enjoy the beautiful coast there. a lot of families often go on these flights to enjoy a holiday. heartbreaking to see these pictures here. all right. let's go ahead and move on to

cnn aviation analyst wes abend. i know you've been listening to our reports so far. what are you thinking? we're hearing that the weather was clear at the time that this plane may have gone down. >> reporter: yeah, good morning, alison. i'm getting reports as you have. i echo richard quest, you know, it's very early stuff. we're only eight hours -- a little over eight hours into this accident. that's not a lot of time. and what you said about the weather is absolutely true. i was looking at the international weather site, i realized when i got mine, there was only one system. and it looks like it moved far off to the east. i don't even think they were affected by it, and even if there was a weather area, you know, says that situation that we encounter all the time. so, what disturbs me, you know, the airplane was up to cruise altitude. we don't have a lot of accidents up at cruise altitude, at least,

you know, in the past, we've -- we have reported on some of them. let me just say what we do know, it's a-321, part of the a-320 familiar. it's a reliable aircraft, a stretch version. it carried a lot of people according to the russian reports if correct, 217 passengers, seven crew members on board. there's a lot of seats on that airplane. in any case, it's a highly computerized airplane. but once again, let me say it's a very reliable airplane. in that area of the world, a lot of radar, so there should be targets out there that would have, at least, looked at the trajectory of the airplane. would have, you know, seen possibly the altitudes that this airplane went to, if it was having what we're calling right now, technical difficulties. i agree with richard, we would

have been a little bit more specific on reporting what exactly we had. however, they may not have known what they had. they may have had information on their screens that indicated some sort of problem that they were trouble shooting through a check list. and at this point, you know, it's hard to say. but like i said, it disturbs me that something happened at cruise altitude. there's plenty of time to divert and get the airplane on the ground. something may very rapidly have occurred on board that airplane that went from bad to worse very quickly. >> explain a little bit more about cruise altitude. and why it surprises you that something may have gone wrong at that altitude? >> well, cruise altitude is a very stable portion of the flight. the autopilot is on -- it's a very -- the altitude, the atmosphere is very sensitive up there. so any pilot input makes it --

makes it very -- the airplane is very sensitive to fly. so autopilot is generally on. pilots are generally monitoring systems. so it's a very low-stress environment in the cockpit. because, you know, takeoff is higher stress. landing is triey ! higher stres. but at cruise, it's a matter of making sure the airplane is working fine. so, if a problem occurs in that low-stress environment, you've got plenty of time to establish what your problem is go through the appropriate checklist, what ever has come up as a problem, and then if you realize, it's a problem that requires diversion to an airport, you've got plenty of altitude, even if both of those engines quit. i'm not implying that is what happened. but you've got a lot of altitude to alternate airports. . in that area of the world, there

is plenty of alternate airports. all of this thinking would have gone through the crew's head. so cruise altitude, you know, there's just plenty of time. so, what i'm saying, something happened that was immediate and these folks in the cockpit, were unable to handle it. quickly enough. because, like i said, cruise is a time that you should be able to get to checklists and establish where you're going to go. >> all right. les abend, aviation analyst on for us. les, thank you so much. stand by. we'll likely reach out to you sometime within this hour. still ahead, u.s. special forces get closer than ever to the front lines in the fight against isis in syria. plus, you've seen the video that cost the police officer his job. just what's the role of school resource officers? we're going to talk to a training expert later in the

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new this morning, the war on isis is intensifying. a video purportedly from the terrorist group has surfaced online and it shows the beheading of four kurdish peshmerga fighters. at the end of the video, a masked man addresses president obama before he executes one the prisoners. he tells the president that these actions are in retaliation for a daring rescue in northern iraq. this comes after the white house announces that u.s. troops will be deployed on the ground in syria. the deployment of more than 50 special ops forces is the most significant escalation of the war. chris, what's the significance of this video which is clearly very disturbing? >> well, the significance of the video that we're going to see about two dozen special operations forces heading to syria. and that brings u.s. troops that

much closer to the front lines. >> reporter: president obama secretly told defense secretary ash carter, a few months ago, he wanted faster progress in the war against isis in both syria and iraq. and to come up with a plan, a u.s. official says. now, the president has ordered a small number of special operations soldiers into north syria to help local forces to fight isis. >> the president does expect that they can have an impact in intensifying our strategy. for building the capacity of local forces inside of syria. to taking the fight on the ground to isil. >> reporter: the teams no more than 50 troops total could include member of the army's delta force and green berets, as well as navy s.e.a.l.s. their mission to provide am institution and communications and supplies to forces on the ground. until now, the president had

long said he would not put troops in had combat, especially in syria. and the white house insists that's still true. >> these forces do not have a combat mission. this is not in any way an attempt to diminish the risk that they will face, the bravery that they will need to summon to carry out these operations. >> reporter: secretary carter did not discuss the ground troops while meeting service members in alaska friday night. but he did say isis is one of the biggest threats. >> we've got to beat isil. we're going to beat isil. these guy, evil and they're, you know, we as, as i said, the noble, and they are the evil. and we are the many. and they are the few. and fundamental, we're the strong. so, we will beat them. and we're -- we're doing that now, and figuring out how to get better at a time. >> reporter: the special operations forces are expected

to be sfreent from iraq across border into northern syria. the u.s. will use f-15 and jets launched from an air base in turkey, all to eventually take back isis' self-proclaimed capital city of raqqa. make no mistake here, obama likely will have to put troops on the ground. >> thanks for that report. let's talk more about this in historical concepts with douglas blinkley. good to have you. i want to start with the president's repeated promise that u.s. ground force would not be there in syria. listen. >> i do not foresee a scenario in which boots on the ground in syria, american boots on the ground in syria, would not only b good for america, but also would be good for syria. >> i will not put american boots on the ground in syria.

i will not pursue an open-ended action like iraq or afghanistan. >> the resolution we submitted today does not call for the deployment of u.s. ground combat forces to iraq or syria. >> now, there are arguments that the president was discussing combat troops. and is this not a combat rule. and he was discussing in the fight against assad and the fight against isis. but this is the candidate who ran in 2008 on ending the wars in iraq and afghanistan. and who has spoken many times that the u.s. should not be engaged in endless war. >> well, that's right. i think the white house made it keenly clear yesterday is that they are not considering this a combat mission. it's a bit of a semantic game. are any boots on the ground? the white house says no, that we're simply really going to train in logistics and perhaps

have a few special ops go on missions. but mainly, we're there to help. we're there to help locals do the fighting against isis. but as you just heard secretary of defense carter say, isis is evil. you don't often hear that word "evil" being repeated out of the pentagon. they're determined to snuff out isis. and the president has made a decision that we need special ops forces on the ground to do that job. >> let's but that graphic back up. more than 3,500 there. 5500 troops in afghanistan and will be there until the end of the president's term. 50. fewer than 50 going to syria. what does this escalation in these countries mean for the president's legacy? >> we're still mired in the middle east. i think you were right in your initial question. president obama came in really

wanting to get us out of iraq, get out of afghanistan, close down guantanamo and we'd be heading to a new era in foreign policy in the middle east. that has not happened there. we're still mired there. although troops are coming home, we're down to 10,000. and you can feel the withdrawal at some moments. but then yesterday, you're feeling, you know, getting into syria in a very real way with special ops. and that term "mission creep" keeps coming up, are we now going to start escalating over there. there's some confusion and that's because it's a very confusing part of the world. >> now, there are more than a few gop candidates for president who have talked about how -- they've now criticized this decision. many of them have launched their campaign on economic domestic issues. obamaca obamacare, jobs we just knew that the economy grew 1.5% in

the last quarter. lindsey graham is not one of them. he's running on military bona fides. >> what we've learned that obama has given syria to russia and iran. they will dictate the future of syria. at a minimum have a veto of what happens to syria. which means this war never ended. this is why this is a half-fast strategy. it's not a force to allow them to destroy a force within syria. if you're not willing to put military pressure on assad, he stays in power, you can't negotiate a settlement for the syrian people in the region. we've effectively given russia iran and syria. >> douglas, put into context, how this race has now shifted, the race for the white house, from economic issues to those of national security? >> well, senator lindsey graham is the hawk's hawk. and he's wanted to do everything under the sun in the syria

crisis. the president's looking for a more moderate course. whether this is enough of sending in special forces, we'll have to see. probably not. it's a very dense and ugly situation over there. and senator graham's correct in the sense that russia and iran are now at the peace-negotiating table. they're looking out for their own interest until syria. but maybe some kind of diplomatic peace, maybe the keeping of assad in syria, after all of this, might be the end result. you know, the united states is trying not to send ground troop en masse. they're trying to learn the lessons of iraq and not make another mistake. but it's like a magnet, syria. the birth of isis keeps drawing us back. for the reasons you showed at the top of the show. the beheadings. the heinous crimes against humanity. and the feeling that the united states has to do something. we're doing it from the air, and now we're doing it with special ops, we'll have to see whether

that's enough to get the job done. >> indeed. some criticism coming in from senator john mccain saying is this not enough. douglas blinkley, thank you very much. a russian passenger airline crashes in egypt. 224 people on board. we're learning from the russian embassy on cairo on its twitter account that the bodies of plane crash victims are being recovered from the plane crash site. russian leader vladimir putin has now declared sunday a day of mourning for the victims. we're going to have live team coverage coming up.

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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we've been following the breaking news out of egypt this morning. a russian passenger plane carrying 224 people has crashed in the sinai region of egypt. there are no reports of survivors. and we are getting our first images of st. petersburg, here at the airport, that it's where the flight was scheduled to land. these are presumably family and friends coming to see what happened. the jet was believed to be carrying mostly russians. it had taken off from the popular resort town of sharm el sheikh. >> we've got live for us richard quest in london. ian lee in cairo. ian, what's the latest you're hearing from the egyptian officials? >> reporter: well, what we're hearing, just right now, just came in from the russian embassy, they just tweeted out that everyone on board the plane

has been killed. that coming from russian officials. now, we'll know from the egyptians that their emergency crews are on the scene of the accident. we are hearing that the prime minister and other government officials are on their way there to oversee this investigation, this recovery, as it takes place. the crash took place a little over 20 minutes into the flight, coming out of sharm el sheikh, about 150 miles north of that city. it disappeared and hit in this area, that is very mountainous. so that will make it difficult in this recovery effort. we've heard a lost rumors this morning, but we're waiting to get these black boxes, to get a definitive answer on what happened in these final moments of this plane before it hit the ground. it was traveling at an altitude

of over 30,000 feet when it disappeared from radar. the egyptian government has dispatched dozens of ambulances to the scene. but as we heard right now, everyone on board, according to the russians, all 224 have been killed. >> ian, i wonder if the prime minister's office and very likely they have not, said when they will be stepping in front of cameras to give an update. we know that the prime minister has been meeting with ministers and security officials and has said there will be some update. do you know when that will happen? >> reporter: we are expecting, hopefully, something later today. but they haven't given a specific time yet. we have been in contact with people who are showing on this trip and right now, what they're saying that they really aren't giving much information. they don't want to give

information. they don't want to give anything that is inaccurate. and this morning, we've been shifting through a lot of details that have come out from this crash. a lot of them have been inaccurate. so we've been very careful on what we're reporting because of all of these rumors that are swirling around. and that's what we're hearing from egyptian officials now, that they're going to wait. but this plane was on its way from sharm el sheikh, to st. petersburg, russia. we see a lot of these flights, people escaping the cold. a lot of family members. there were 17 children on board this flight. this is something that we do see a lot. also it does make it tragic, that you have so many people, these families who were returning home from their holiday vacation. but we are waiting to see exactly what is the cause of this accident. >> indeed. hopefully, we get more information soon. ian lee for us in cairo. thank you so much.

before alison gets to richard quest, we just got some tape in from secretary of state john kerry speaking about this tragedy, this crash in egypt. let's watch. >> we learned today about the loss of airliner flying, russian plane flying from egypt, sharm el sheikh to st. petersburg, i think 224 people on board. and we simply want to extend our condolences to russia and to all of the families. we don't know any details about it. but obviously, the initial reports represent tremendous tragedy and loss. and we extend our sympathies to the families. and all those concerned. >> so condolences comes from the u.s. and also from france, as this tragedy continues to unfold. let's discuss this more with cnn

aviation correspondent richard quest in our london bureau. what are you learning about the airline and safety? >> okay. miss this is metrojet is the brand chairman two was traveling. kolavia is the previous brand. if you look at the metrojet and predecessor, you see two previous incidents in 2010 and 2011, relatively, i say relatively, minor accidents. nothing -- one on the ground, a fire on the ground, and another, a bad landing. but nothing -- you know, it doesn't sort of have a catalog of incidents related to it. but it did change its name in 2012 from kolavia to metrojet.

it has 5 a-321s. the profile is basically a charter carrier. if you look at its last flights, it's shuttling back and forth from rush asia and egypt and sunshine destinations. the profile of this particular flight is particularly interesting. forgive me, i'm going to look down to read the notes so i can get this right. according to flightradar 24, you have the plane getting up to 31,500 feet, roughly 25 minutes into the flight. then you have a very sharp rate of decent. the rate of descent becomes quite dramatic. and then the rate of descent goes back up again. the plane never climbs but it is clearly progressing on its way down. and the speed drops off

dramatically. it drops off all the way down to its maximum speed of 400 knots down to 184 and then farther and farther down. so, what it's starting to tell us, is that what happened happened caused some form of aerodynamic stall. and that's why the plane literally can no longer stay in the air. >> we talked with one aviation analyst a short time ago that said it's not very often that you have a plane at that altitude, have an issue at this cruise altitude. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. i mean, i said at the top of the hour, 10%, according to boeing's study and the irt safety report, less than about 10% of incidents happen in the crews. you know, this was 20 minutes in. on initialing climb, done with initial cruising altitude. it basically reached 32,000 feet when this happened. it is very rare for incidents to

happen. and when they do happen in the cruise, you look -- my first instinct is always explosion. was there some form of terrific activity, was there some sort of bomb, mh-17 type. that's not just being dramatic or alarmist. experience has shown that's what tends to be what happens in the cruise. but we're now seeing a raft of incidents starting with air france 447, going through air asia of which this may be one of them, where you have an incident in the cruise, and it depends on how the plane is being flown. although this aircraft was 18, 19 years old, it's still a highly sophisticated piece of aeronautical machinery. and how the pilots would have responded to a technical incident, or a technical failure, that is going to be crucial. as the investigation. they first need to find the black boxes. once you have the data recorder

and the cockpit voice recorder, my feeling is, this becomes quite a clear cut case. >> richard quest in london. thank you. coming up on "new day," the infighting and uproar among republicans after the gop debate. are the republicans national committee extending the next debate with nbc? and the media trying to get control of the next debates. hear why. i'm mary ellen,

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suspended its partnership with nbc, cnbc's parent company for the debate in february. to discuss the infighting or uproar over the debates. ben ferguson, jeffrey lord. we saw cnbc cave to trump's demands in the past debate about the opening statement, although john harwood said it was always going to two hours. next debate coming up december 10th. what kind of demands, do you expect, i'm going to start with you, ben, that we're going to hear from the group of candidates? >> i think a little bit more class from moderators to make sure the cnbc debate never happens again. there was really no order to the debate. there wasn't even continuity of questions. one after the other, from one end of the spectrum to the other, there was not even a theme that you could latch on to. i think they want to kind of know where are we starting? where are we going in the middle? what's going to happen at the end, to make sure this debate

which was really nothing more than an attack on the gop candidates as a whole is not going to happen again. because it's not good for the voters that cnbc deserve to be called on on what happened. and nbc. >> we have this response from nbc, is this a disappointing development. however, along with our debate broadcast partners at telemind de we will work if good faith to resolve this matters with the republican party. any chance that this can be resolved and that debate can go on as scheduled? >> well, one of the things that i think is interesting, this 23 february 26th debate is coming after the new hampshire caucus and new hampshire caucus. i have to believe the sphere of the candidates will be a whole lot smaller than it is right now. i'm not sure there are going to

be people within the republican party who are much in the mood for compromise on something like this. as a matter of fact, senator cruz has started to push the suggestion of having, or perhaps replacing this with a talk radio debate hosted by sean hannity and mark pleasurlevin. i noted that sean hannity said he's all in. it may be a plan to dump nbc but replace them with a talk radio debate. >> not all gop candidates are part of this. we know chris christie's camp is not. what's the potential for high profile boycotts if they don't get what they want? >> i think there's a very good possibility of that. that also tells you a lot about what the candidates think about the republican national convention and just what they are with their national concerns and conservatives. the republican national

committee for them, this is a crisis moment for them. they're completely out of touch with what the average conservative voter wants. and they showed that with what happened on cnbc. the reason you have to cancel this, you have so many people saying i'm done with you. i don't want to be connected with the republican national committee again. one, it's about the candidate's concern. but two, it's a way of saying to the voters i'm not the republican national committee. i'm not the old school gop. i'm not the old school candidate. and we hear you, and we're not going to let you run the show. >> and quite noticeably, the rnc not invited sunday. >> there's the message. >> indeed, there is the message. we continue to follow the breaking news out of egypt. a russian passenger jet carrying 224 people, crashing into a mountainous region in the sinai

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big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. students at the south carolina high school where a deputy violently yanked a girl from the desk staged a brief walkout. it was not to protest the officer's actions students were upset that deputy ben fields was fired after that incident. they want him back in the

school. the entire episode has put a spotlight on the tens of thousands of police officers who now patrol the nation's schools. the school resource officers. jason carroll has more for us. >> reporter: since these disturbing images went viral, the spotlight focused not only on the now-fired sheriff's deputy and his actions, but also on the role of school resource officers in the nation's schools. >> should he have ever been called there? that's something we're going to talk to the school district about. maybe that should have been something handled by the teacher and that school administrator without even calling the deputy. >> reporter: former deputy ben fields was called to the classroom after the 16-year-old student are refused repeated requests to leave by both her teacher and administrator. resource officers are used as a tool in schools. just this week in sacramento, a

resource officer helped call to break up a fight involving about a dozen students. this school's principal caused in the fight, the officer ended up breaking up three teenagers. trying to manage a defiant student is part of the officer's responsibilities but not all of the officer's responsibilities. >> really getting to know students and buildings a relgtsshrelgt relationship for them. >> reporter: according to the national association of resource officers the numbers grew in the late '80s under the d.a.r.e. to help children stay away from drugs and violence. more and more after columbine, after schools felt they needed access to armed officers. now some 82,000 sros are working full or part time at 43% of public schools. and with more officers, more

cameras, comes more scrutiny. the school resource officer in kentucky faces federal charges for handcuffing two misbehaving children with disabilities. in this video, a third grade boy struggles with the cuffs. and now in south carolina, an officer fired from his job and under a federal investigation that could result in even more punishment. jason carroll, cnn, new york. >> all right. let's dig a little deeper on the issues confronting students and the resource officers at their campuses. i want to first bring in hln legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson along with harvard law fellow o'neal joining me here in atlanta. thanks for joining us. what should have happened here? you look at dreing the line of keeping a student safe and discipline, what's the answer? >> it's really simple.

especially what we've seen with the influx of school resource officers in schools, the teacher are relying on them for discipline. the officer should not have been called. >> how should she have handled them jt student was not going to move apparently? >> the student was not posing any violent threat in the classroom. she could have handled that in a lunch break. pbis has strategies for detention. this particular student, apparently, based on reports, needed some type of counseling. this was some type of report that could have been handled after class. >> she should have left her there, even though it was disrupting everybody's class time? >> well, based on -- the problem is most teachers are not trained properly on classroom management skills. what she could have done is try to de-escalate the student's

behavior. just pulled her aside. not make an example out of her in front of other students to de-escalate. >> you say the officer should never have been called. joey, let me turn to you, the young student in that viral video isn't committing a crime, but she's breaking a classroom policy. how much does that create a problem from the start? >> you know, alison, that's an open question in terms of buy she's committing crime. here's why i say that. i looked at the statute. the statute is very broad. it talks about anybody who willfully interferes with the progress of a classroom. she's in willful and it's punishable by 90 days in jail. so you can make the art that it is an offense. just a couple of arguments to make. the police research forum, they did a study in august 2015, it

found 59 hours police in general receive on firearms training. they have 48 hours that applies to actual defensive tactic training. and only eight hours, alison, that applies and deals with interpersonal skills and de-escalation. that, to me, is incredible. my dad always used to say, bless his soul, may he rest in peace, that all the weapons he ever had -- he was a police officer -- all the weapons he ever had. the most important thing he had was his mouth. talk to people, reason with people, respect people. the issue why this occurred is really so unfortunate. it shouldn't have happened. it did happen. and now the student faces charges. the officer is fired. so unnecessary. >> joey, if you were representing the officer here, how would you argue this? would you say he used reasonable force? >> well, i couldn't -- i mean, that's what his attorney apparently is saying.

i mean, certainly -- look, we watched the tape. every analysis is the same as it relates to police doing what they're doing in terms of bringing the matter under control, was the force necessary? we all see the tape, you make that decision. was the force that he used really proportionate to any threat posed there? again, you make the decision. and were his actions reasonable. i can't make those arguments with a straight face, sure, i'm defending him, he did nothing wrong here. he followed protocol. i think that's in bad faith. i think what we need to say is, listen, there was an overreaction on the part of the officer, did he really deserve to lose his job? many people scream, of course, he did. but if you're representing him, you're going to look at the totality of the circumstances, what he's trained to do and what he did in this instance. perhaps some discipline is appropriate but not a firing. that's what i'd argue. >> joey jackson, we've got to go. thank you.

we'll see you in the 10:00 hour of "newsroom." we'll bring you the latest on a russian passenger jet crashing in egypt. "smerconish" starts right now. i'm michael smerconish, is it war against the media why not? you can believe the outrageous questions we're asked at the republican debate. to donald trump, you once told a contestant on "celebrity apprentice" is would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. or to another candidate, would you let another die rather than having an abortion? to jeb bush, to those who look at war, who do you look at those now and say your brother's war was a mistake. oh, wait, that were from the debate hosted from fox news