trivia. big part of the news. >> absolutely. >> welcome to your "new day," monday, november 2nd, 6:00 in the east. first, the good news. the kansas city royals are number one. their first world series tight until 30 years, dispatching the new york mets in decisive fashion, 7-2 last night. we'll have plenty on that and the whole george brett conversation we had here we'll have with you again. first, new information on the mysterious downing of a russian passenger jet over the sinai peninsula on saturday. investigators now have the black box. >> russian officials say the plane broke apart in midair, its debris scattering over eight square miles. terrorism has not been ruled out. there are travel warnings to avoid some air space. this as the bodies of the 224 people on board arriving in st. petersburg. arwa damon is live in cairo. >> reporter: such a difficult situation for the families

awaiting the bodies of their loved one. adding to frustration is the fact that the more information we're receiving from different officials, the less we actually know about what happened. >> metrojet airline is holding a press conference in moscow this morning, saying russian passenger jet flight 9268 could not have broken apart in midair by itself. this amid new reports the passenger jet broke into pieces as it flew over the remote egyptian countryside. the fuselage disintegrating around 20 minutes into the flight. from an egyptian resort town to st. petersburg saturday, according to russian aviation officials. the airline company says the only explanation would be an external influence. overnight nearly 150 of the 224 passengers killed on board arriving in russia. mourners of the mostly russian victims gathering at st. petersburg airport where the air jet was supposed to end its

adjourn in. aerials of the crash site show mangled wreckage, strewn across nearly eight square miles. but egypt's prime minister says there are no indications that anything out of the ordinary was about to happen on this aircraft. egypt's civil aviation minister adding, there are no reports that the airline had faults. checks done before takeoff did not reveal anything and no one received any s. orano.s. calls. still, questions linger as to why flight 9268 hurled to the ground in a remote part of egypt, clear weather, an area plagued by a violent islamic insurgency. >> they leave distinctive markings. that should be able to be eliminated very quickly. >> reporter: the co-pilot's ex-wife telling russia state-run news, he complained before the flight to their daughter wishing

for a better technical condition of the plane. most passengers -- [ no audio ] >> and alisyn, the egyptian military at this stage, a source there has also been telling us that the area that the plane went down in does not contain any sort of militant activity or militant groups that have the capabilities to bring down an aircraft traveling at that altitude, alisyn. >> arwa, one more thing. we understand they did recover the black boxes. any word on the ground of when they will get the data out of them? >> reporter: no, we don't know just yet. they do not possess the capability to analyze the data and the duration of time it will take to extract information from them will depend on the damage that has been done at this stage. it could literally be anywhere from a few days to a few months. >> oh, my goodness. arwa, thanks for the information this morning. joining us now is david

susi. thanks for being with us. can you hear me? i think we might be having issues with david's ear piece. david, give me a wave if you can hear me. all right. we'll get back to david as soon as we resolve our technical issues. let me go over to michaela right now. we'll turn back to the crash of that airplane in a moment. other news, representatives from most of the republican presidential campaigns meeting over the weekend to demand greater control of upcoming debates. this follows last week's cnbc debate in which the angry candidates blasted the rnc and network for their handling of it. athena jones is live in tampa with the latest. oh, to be a fly on wall in that meeting. >> tell me about it. good morning, michaela. this is remarkable to see the campaigns uniting, not just against the tv networks but also against the republican national committee which has been

negotiating the debate format on their behalf. the meeting came, of course, after a lot of campaigns complained about the handling of the cnbc debate. the bottom line here is, they want more control over the debate format, more substantive and more focused debates. the rnc wasn't invited to last night's meeting but ben ginsberg, a top republican lawyer and debate negotiator was there to help facilitate the discussion. take a listen to how he summed up some of the campaign's main concerns. >> campaigns have been able -- should be able to get information about the details of the debate far sooner than they have this cycle. if you have that transparency and accountability, you can talk to the sponsors about formats and opening and closing statements and the way they put up graphics on the screen and even who the moderators are and the types of questions. >> now, we know the meeting lasted more than two hours.

we're told it was a collegial meeting. the campaigns didn't agree on everything. here are some of the demands the campaigns plan to make for future debates. they want a two-hour time limit to the debates. they want a chance for every candidate to make opening and closing remarks of at least 30 seconds per candidate. they also want editorial control of the graphics that are put up on the screen while the candidates are speaking and they want equal speaking time for each candidate. one thing the campaigns didn't all agree on was whether to hold just one debate instead of separate first tier and second tier debates. there would be a group conference call with each debate to discuss the format the campaigns would then decide whether they wanted to take part. one more thing i want to mention that's important, ben carson's campaign manager, barry bennett who organized last night's meeting said this new plan will not affect the very next debate, the debate on fox business

channel taking place just over a week away from now. this new plan won't affect that debate. it will start with cnn's next debate in december. alisyn? >> athena, thanks so much for all of that. we'll get back to the conditions from the candidates shortly in the program. right now we want to get back to our top story, the russian plane disaster and what brought it down. joining us is david susi, former accident investigator and inspector. good morning, david. >> good morning. >> you've looked at the evidence, now that that exists. why do you believe this plane broke up, exploded, basically, in midair? >> well, if you look at the pictures that we have of the accident site and the report of the distance, the area that's being recovered, we're looking at satellite images for cnn an we should have that very shortly. basically this is spread out so far it's indicative of an in-flight breakup at a high

altitude. >> we believe it's an eight square mile debris field. couldn't something mechanical have happened to cause this debris field? >> well, that's very, very rare. the only one that comes to mind at moment is flight 800 when we thought originally that it was a bomb or some kind of missile that hit that airplane and found out later it was a mechanical failure. it was a tank that was empty and ruptured and had an electrical failure inside, causing it to act like a bomb. that's been mitigated. airplanes now that have empty tanks are filled with nitrogen to make sure that can't occur. barring that, there's really no example of an airplane that broke into this many pieces from that far of a distance. >> one of the interesting juxtapositions is look at the debris field from mh-17, the plane shot out of the sky in the

ukrainian area. on the left side is mh-17. on the right is this russian metrojet. they look, to my untrained eye, almost identical. what does that tell you? >> yes. it's very, very similar in debris field. the difference, the critical difference is, if you look at the photographs themselves, on the mh-17 accidents, in those photographs you see small holes in the sign of the aircraft as we look around at the various pictures. those small holes came from a missile that -- a buke missile. it's designed to disable the aircraft. this incident today or yesterday is actually much more severe. it's smaller pieces. and the pieces themselves are not -- don't show those small pieces. whatever this was was big and it hit hard. this is a little bit different although similar in the debris field. >> that's interesting to hear.

we just heard arwa damon's reporting, according to egyptian officials at least, there was no militant activity in the area they were flying over. they were at 31,000 feet. i mean, that would have to suggest that somebody had basically a surface-to-air missile. >> either surface-to-air missile or something on board the aircraft that caused this to happen. that's important, again, to go back to the fact that a missile would have left shrapnel throughout the aircraft. they don't explode -- hit the aircraft and explode from the inside out. they break up as they approach the aircraft and dissipate. it's a little bit different as far as how that missile would hit. it looks more like, to me, there was something on board the aircraft that caused this to happen. >> let's look at the map of the countries right now over which there is a warning to airlines not it fly. you can see in the red, this is where the travel warnings exist, these are war-torn, obviously countries where there's a hot bed of activity. there are travel alerts over

places like egypt and turkey. is this always the case, david? or is this a result of this crash? >> it's not always the case. it is -- some of it is a result of the crash, however, there's a system in place called the notam. notice to airmen. that relies on the state, that state has to be aware of that and then notify that to iota or other groups. those groups have to put out notice to airmen. that's what results in restricted flight zones. they are reliant on the information coming from the very country where the airplane is taking off. >> yes. >> which it may not be the best way to do that. that's something we've been looking at since mh-17 as a way to improve that. >> what does this mean for americans who want to vacation in egypt or turkey? these are popular tourist spots. >> well, these notams are

available online. i recommend if you're going to these places that you look at them yourself. they're designed for the pilots to be informed of what's going on. it's a great source of information for people traveling in these areas to get a feel for what's going on in those areas before they travel. i though it's very important we are educated travelers when we go into these regions. >> last on this point, we heard from arwa they have recovered the black boxes but no idea when they'll be able to get the data? why not in the next few days? >> well, the data, i suspect they probably have that data or will have within the next day or two. what will happen, though, is because -- at this point, everything in this investigation is being treated as a criminal investigation. so you have lines of custody, you have ways to make sure of the fact that no one sees it that's not supposed to. they are very cautious about releasing anything that could hamper a criminal investigation should it turn into that. so they're very careful before

releasing that information. we are not beginning to get conclusions from the investigators until they've had plenty of time to analyze all of the data. >> that will hopefully be revealing. david soucie, thank you. here's what we know. the u.s. is going to put ground troops in syria. but what does that really mean? how many? what will they do? what won't they do? cnn's senior washington correspondent joe johns live at the white house with more on the plan. joe? >> good morning, chris. a little more detail from a senior pentagon official. we are told a little more about the timetable they're expecting. they say these special operations forces will be going in within weeks to a month. they'll be on the ground in a headquarters environment, a specific location, less than 60 days at a time. now, the administration has spent the weekend trying to make it clear that, according to them, this is not a change in policy. rather it is a continuation of

the campaign against isis. listen to secretary of state john kerry. >> isil is a modern threat that we have to respond to. and president obama has made a very straightforward and simple decision entirely in keeping with his originally stated policy. that we must defeat and destroy daesh. it is not a decision to enter into syria's civil war. >> these special operators are supposed to have five objectives, including helping the iraqis take back ramadi, enabling forces in security, securing the border between syria and turkey and degrading isis communications and actions in syria and iraq. so a big task for them on the ground and allegedly, supposed to start within the next month. back to you, michaela.

>> thank you so much for that, joe. a passing to tell you of, actor and former tennessee senator fred thompson being remembered this morning. he died of lymphoma. he was first elected to fill the senate seat of al gore in 1994 and briefly ran for president in 2008. he's also being remember for his role in a no nonsense district attorney in "law & order." >> reporter: he was known for his larger than life persona on screen and capitol hill alike. he garnered national game as an attorney during the watergate scandal, leading the line of questioning that revealed the audio tape system in the nixon oval office. a commanding presence at 6'6", he parlayed his notoriety into a movie career. >> advocacy is warm blooded. enforcement has to be cold

blooded. >> reporter: most notably in his prominent role as the no nonsense, straight-shooting district attorney in "law & order." he filled al gore's vacant senate seat in tennessee. >> i'm running for president of the united states. >> reporter: he ran unsuccessfully for the republican nomination in 2008 but it most remembered for being a man of the people. his family, mourning the death of the dynamic southern statesman releasing a statement reading in part, he enjoyed a hearty laugh, a strong handshake, a good cigar and a healthy dose of humility. fred was the same man on the floor of the senate, the movie studio or the town square of his home. the folksy former u.s. senator and actor lost his battle with lymphoma at 73 years of age. >> he was just here. >> he was just on "new day," i think three weeks ago. >> september 14th. >> september 14th.

he had such a big personality. he was fun to be around. >> he really was. >> wow. >> a proud tennesseen, born in alabama. >> strong guy. that's why not many people knew what he was dealing with. it is easy for people to get caught up in the "law & order" stuff and his charisma and forget where he started. >> he was walking the walk before anybody was talking the talk when it came to watergate and corruption. him being brought in from the outside, a lot of people didn't want to ask those questions of power. he was one of them that took it to power, too it to the administration. he'll be missed. thoughts and prayers to his fami family. >> absolutely. this e. coli outbreak leading chipotle to close all 43 restaurants.

health inspectors say the number of those infected could grow. kansas city, celebrate. your royals have done something that hasn't happened in 30 years. a world series championship. andy scholes has more on the epic game five comeback in this morning's "bleacher report." they certainly showed that one through nine they had the team on top. no question about it, andy scholes. >> absolutely, chris. this royals team, this lineup just relentless. every time you'd think they were down and out, they found a way to make a comeback. the royals, first team ever to win three games in a world series in which they trailed in the eighth inning or later. in the ninth, harvey ran into trouble. the double to left right here, making it 2-1. harvey would leave the game in this next play, the one mets fans will remember for a long time. on the ground out, he bolts for

home and lucas duda's throw is wide, ties the game at two. extra innings and then in the 12th, christian colon in his first postseason at-bat singles in jared dyson. that gave the royals the lead. kc wins it, 7-2. catcher salvador perez, your world series mvp. a victory parade will be tuesday in kansas city. in the most entertaining nfl game maybe ever, eli manning threw a career six touchdowns against the saints and lost the game. drew brees had seven touchdown passes. the 13th combined touchdown passes are the most in league history for a single game. the teams combined to score 101 points, the third highest total in nfl history. the saints would win this game 52-49 after the giants committed a face mask penalty with five seconds left that gave the saints the game-winning field goal.

guys, i'm guessing there are a lot of grumpy people walking around this morning. chris, your jets lost to the raiders, the giants lost that epic game to the saints and the mets lost another heart breaker. >> why do you have to bring the jets into this? >> he's rubbing it in. >> not a good weekend. >> it doesn't get worse. >> for him. >> for the rest of us, we're good. >> with a smile on his face. >> i like you like giving scholes a beatdown. you have to give it to the royals. they show they were the best team. they won. the giants, i'm a jets fan. i'd love for us to score that many points in two or three games, you know, combined. back to our top political story. republicans have this list of new demands, they want for future debates. they're taking aim at all of the networks except the next fox business network debate. what exactly are they asking for? how will this change the entire game? are their demands realistic?

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the whining over the cnbc debate is far from over. the various campaigns actually held their little meeting last night, coming up with a list of proposals on how tv networks should handle future debates. let's see what makes sense and what really is carping. this is also a question of control. we have cnn senior reporter for media and politics, dillon buy years and executive editor, mr. mark preston. i was getting snickering here on

set because i was being prejarative. what are they asking for and are those concerns justified? >> let's put it in perspective. you have 14 campaigns with 14 different agendas all trying to get to the same goal, trying to win the nomination. what we've seen over the past couple months is frustration on behalf of some of the campaigns. those who were not able to get traction, those who feel like they're unfairly targeted. what we saw last week at the cnbc debate seem to have blown the lid. having said that, a lot of the demands they agreed to last night are not necessarily demands. i don't think you'll have media organizations fighting tooth and nail on those points. we're going to go back to how it used to be done. i have been negotiating debates since 2006 for cnn with the

campaigns. always in the past it's been directly with the campaigns. this year it has been with the rnc as well. i think the campaigns now see their best path forward individually for them is to try and do it themselves. >> let's look at those conditions. we just put some up on the screen. this is what the campaigns want, the two-hour time limit. 30-second opening staples. that's something many press for. here's one that i don't know how you regulate. equal speaking time, editorial control of the graphics. jeb bush didn't like a graphic up during the cnbc debate. is there precedent for this? are they reasonable? >> yes, they're reasonable and sort of modest in scope. we know the ben carson campaign was looking for some pretty extreme demands heading into that debate, demands that would have turned the debates into something more like forums. asking for time limits, a certain amount of time to answer

questions, these aren't radical concepts. in a way, the media descended on alexandria to get the drips and drabs coming out of this debate was somewhat disappointed. to get to your point about equal time, how do you measure that, gauge that, ensure that happens, the key word coming out of the meeting was parody and integrity. they don't just want equal time on questions. they want equal substance on questions. that's the gist of what's going on here. they're looking for more substantive debate or claim to be looking for a more substantive debate. >> who do you think controls the substance more, the candidates or the questioners? >> that's a great question. let's look at the cnbc debate. ted cruz gets asked a question about the debt ceiling and he goes on about the media and the unfair questions. he was asked about the debt ceiling. that's a substantive question. the campaigns have to bear the brunt of this as well. most people would agree that

cnbc did not do the best job in terms of asking questions that were wholly substantive. >> we understand that none of these conditions will be in effect for the next debate nine days from now, that's the fox business network debate. there was some suggestion in the "washington post" this morning that the campaigns didn't want to press fox on changing anything because they were afraid of roger ailes. what have you heard. >> i spoke to four of the participants last night. they said that was misinterpreted that fox debate is a week away. in many ways these debates are complex, hard to put together. they're hard to line up. i think there's an acknowledgement that these campaigns could not exert enough pressure on fox to get what they wanted so close. now, having said that, moving forward, i do believe you think the campaigns will band together, send us a letter, make these demands. of course, the negotiation will begin. once we get to january, though, once we get to february, like, literally, all bets are off

because at that point, the campaigns are not so much concerned about parody or equality. they're concerned about are they going to survive? do they have enough money? can they win the nomination. >> most of these things as you pointed out are things that will probably be included in the fox debate and all the others. other than this opening statement thing which people do or don't on their way own there. >> let's talk about why free-wheeling debates are important. sometimes things come out and candidates end up tripping themselves up. you know, voters like to see that. they like a little window into that. and this very thing happened with carly fiorina in the cnbc debate, she used a statistic, said that 92% of the jobs lost during barack obama's first term were women. we challenged her about that on "new day." she shot back and then this weekend, she had to correct herself. let me show you the history of what happened with carly fiorina since the debate. >> according to "washington

post" fact checker, that's a recycled talking point from the mitt romney campaign that they deemed as false. they say you were using a narrow moment in time when unemployment among women spiked but since then the numbers have changed and it's a much rosier picture for women. what's your response? >> this is the same conversation we had after the last debate. everybody came out and said i was using wrong data. no. i'm not using wrong data. the liberal media doesn't like the data. perhaps the liberal media doesn't like the facts. the facts are clear. in this particular case, the fact checkers are correct. the 92%, it turns out was the first 3 1/2 years of barack obama's term and in the final six months of his term things improved. >> so, mark, just one example there, but isn't the that the point of debates -- >> it's two examples because you nailed her on this point and others went after her, too. she attacked you for asking the question. this same thing happenedned par.

she cited something that was put in there by the producers of the film. two in a row. what's the penalty? >> let's go back to 2011 when we saw rick perry trip up on stage, when he couldn't name the three cabinet agencies he would shut down. ben carson's decision saying he wanted to give long speeches, everybody should get two questions and kumbaya. this is politics. this is rough and tumble. you need to be able to think quick on your feet. these demands aren't overt. what is overt is the candidates try to dictate editorial control over the debates while some folks were leaning that way, there were enough grown-ups in the room to understand they can't push this too far. you can only push it so far to get what you want. having said that, if they push it too far, they know they'll

get in trouble. >> you can't have it so tightly scripted that you don't give the tune for the viewers to hear them, possibly make a mistake or whatever is going to happen. >> or score points, distinguish themselves. alisyn takes an issue i start off on, she does a better job. that's how you separate the field. >> thank you for all of the background on the meeting. >> thanks. the white house is sending u.s. ground force into syria despite what officials say, could this evolve into a combat role? we'll ask a military expert, ahead. ♪

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investigators believe a russian passenger jet that crashed in the sinai peninsula more than likely broke apart in midair. they cannot explain why that happened. and they are still not ruling out the possibility of terrorism. the airline says the flight was inspected before the accident and the crew never issued warnings or communications during the final moments of that flight. all 224 people on board were killed. more than half the bodies have been recovered and flown back to st. petersburg for burial. a u.s. navy search team believes they have found the remains of the cargo ship "el faro" 15,000 feet under water each of the bahamas.

the ship vanished a month ago during hurricane joaquin. 28 american crew members, 5 polish engineers on board all presumed dead. a big challenge will be recovering the vessel's data recorder and human remains. another issue, lawsuits developing between the owners of "el faro" and the families of those on board. the officiating crew from this week's miami/duke football game has been suspended for a blown call to what may have been the wildest ending to a game. miami, lateral, eight times. the refs actually missed a few things. like a runner being down. a miami player running off the bench before the play ended. and a couple others, too. atlantic coast conference officials say the result will stand but the entire crew and replay officials involved have been suspended. >> is that unusual? >> very, very -- suspended for two games for miss a call? >> that doesn't happen very

often? >> nope. >> wow. >> very interesting. you have to miss a lot to miss all that. >> it was a heck of a play. it's not one person or two people. there's a whole team. >> that's right. the white house escalating the war on isis in syria, sending dozens of special op-op into the region. what is the reality? we'll look at that, ahead. ♪

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the fight against isis in syria is turning a corner. let's put that in quotes because it's a questionable suggestion. right? the white house is announcing it is going to deploy u.s. troops. there will be special forces into northern syria, no more than 50 were we're to, we're to. they will advise and assist rebel forces but not fight. is that even possible? let us discuss. cnn military analyst and former commanding general of the u.s. army, lieutenant general mark hurtling. congratulations on being a grandfather. good to have you with us. god bless to the family. >> thank you. >> you don't have to be a

general to know all these different colors are a problem in controlling this situation. >> it's a quilt. what you're talking about is the changes in the colors between the isis controlled area and what we say is the rebel controlled areas and then the areas controlled by mr. assad and his syrian forces what you're talking about with the deployment of these forces, is attempting to get after the isis capital in rocca. i think you'll see that some of the -- what we now are calling the syrian democratic front are pulling together as various tribes and in conjunction with the kurdish forces could make inroads if led correctly and consolidated. >> the problem with leadership is, of course, presence. now you're on the ground. now you're in close quarters. you're at a forward operating base. now you're out in the field. now you're at the point of contact. what's the chance that a u.s. fighting man or woman doesn't wind up in the mix? >> it's a very good chance. their job is not to get into the mix. their job is to help others.

and in this case, it's not only a training and assisting, that's the mantra of the mission but it's coordination. they'll be able to talk to other special operators, special forces with other groups and consolidate and coordinate the activity of these various organizes. that's the important thing. these disparate muslim tribes, kurdish forces have been doing their own thing for a very long time. it's taken us a while to get into this and say who do we lunk with, who do we coordinate with? this is something the president wanted to do early on. until you have the connections you can't do it. >> he's had to fight politics on both sides. >> right. >> when that big attack on civilians was done and everybody believed it was assad, the president was slow on that. then once the assessment came in, he went to congress and wanted to bomb. it's gone back and forth, always overshadowed by the fact, general, as you know, we do not want to see people like you put in harm's way unless you

absolutely have to be. this seems like you'll be put in harm's way. >> that's the key piece. the congress of the united states doesn't want us here, as a whole. they've not voted on it and the president has rightfully said we don't want to get involved in another country's politics again when it's so messed up. that's what's happening. the american people also want to fight isis. that's what we're doing. >> incirlik, the turkish base, they're supposed to be approximate to that. also there's big equipment, planes, helicopters. what does that mean that you're moving that type of infrastructure in? >> the european command reinforced incirlik with more a-10s, more f-15s. they've had those there for a couple of weeks there based on the turkish vote saying we could put people there. what you'll see, if you have eyes on target, observation of enemy activity, you can

delineate who are the bad guys, who are the good guys. you sort of mitigate collateral damage so you can strike more targets and you become much more effective. you don't have that many planes going back to incirlik with their bomb load. >> you have the chinese on the ground, russians on the ground. you have the disparate rebel groups as well. for the men and women, three dozen, four dozen, ten dozen, what's your concern? >> the map shows it, chris. in the orange area you have the rebel forces. that's who the russians are going after to help mr. assad form a defensive area. he's trying to pull everything in the homs, damascus, aleppo area back to the syrian government. the russians are interested in the one key place, latakia and the port.

the russians along with the syrians are going to stay on the western coast of syria. we are focused more in the red zone, if you will, where the isis terrorists are. that's who we're going to help, where we're going to help the kurds and the various tribes go after isis. >> one very smart person working at the pentagon said to me, the big russian advantages know exactly what they want. they know why they're there. they know what they want to do. >> i'm not sure that's true. the russians certainly want to protect their bases in the area and want to prop up the government so they can protect those bases. we know what we want. we want to destroy isis. the problem is, that's very difficult when they're intermingled with the population. this is another unfortunate guerrilla war we're talking about in this part of the world not supported by the government and we don't have the fighters to help us. the russians have the advantage of having the government behind them. >> general, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> appreciate it. >> god bless the family. >> thank you. it is a "new day" in the house of representatives.

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up for being a person with balance in your life for wanting to spend your weekends in your home with your family, which i work with constituents and my family throughout the weekends, i don't think -- i don't think that means, therefore, you should sign up for -- >> chief political correspondent dana bash joins us now. you and i both know so many women professionally have had to deal with this strugle. so interesting to hear him talk about it but he's talked about this for a long time. this is something he's adamant about it. >> he is, when it comes to spending time with his children. after the interview, he said men of my generation, i've changed diapers, i've cleaned bottles. the point of my question there, of course, was about the fact that now he's in a position to affect policy and the united states is way far behind when it comes to mandatory paid leave

for women and men, but he made clear there that he doesn't want the government to have a mandate on that kind of thing. he was pretty adamant about that, even as our exchange continued. but you know, michaela, as we go forward, his job is going to be not easy, to say the least. but even in the near term because, yes, there's a big budget deal we reported on last week but they still have to fund the government by december 11th. there are a lot of conservatives who still want to defund planned parenthood as part of that. i asked what he's going to do about that. listen to this. >> defunding planned parenthood, will it happen. >> i don't think planned parenthood should get a cent from the taxpayer. i always vote for that. i vote for that before these disgusting videos came out. the special committee on planned parenthood i think should be in the driver's seat of overseeing this process.

>> but what will you do about -- >> let me get you there, dana. hold on a second. will we have congress work its will, have regular order of where we have conference committees? yes. by not controlling the process so tightly held here, the speakership, by letting it go forward, no know what the out come is going to be. >> just to translate that into, you know, maybe from legislative speak to english, what that means, michaela, is that he's going to let the process work with a huge republican majority in the house, most of them, maybe all of them, want to defund planned parenthood. it's hard to see that not being the outcome when you see this sort of funding bill out of the house. it's going to be a dicey situation, again, potentially for congress as we're reaching that december 11th deadline over something so, so, so viscerally partisan, i think now. the whole idea of funding planned parenthood. we could see the december 11th deadline coming and questions

about whether the government will once again shut down. >> the key question is, so many are wondering how he will unite this divided party. it's going to be in the meat and potatoes of things like this that we see how he will effectively going to try and do that. >> precisely. >> thanks so much for that great conversation. so glad you could join us on "new day." >> thank you for having me. certainly following a lot of news on this monday. let's get right to it. russian officials say the plane broke apart in midair. >> pieces scattered everywhere. >> there are a number of issues that could have affected this plane. >> smaller groups on the stage, better questions and let us all be heard from equally. >> this is the process. i totally understand it and i'm more than prepared to fight on. >> i don't want the republicans to look weak. >> in the past, the campaigns themselves have negotiated with the tv networks. the lasting impression of how she thinks scientology operates. >> being critical of tom cruise is being critical of scientology

itself. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, everyone. welcome back to your "new day"." are investigators any closer to determining what caused that russian passenger jet to break apart in flight at 31,000 feet over the sinai peninsula? this morning, the airline blaming, quote, external factors. does that mean it was a terrorist attack? >> egyptian and russian investigators are canvassing the eight square mile debris field for clues. this morning, the bodies of more than half of those 224 victims have now been flown back to st. petersburg. we have cnn's arwa damon live in cairo with the latest. you've said, arwa, the more you learn, the less you know. what does today bring? >> reporter: cnn just spoke to an egyptian medic who has been in charge of helping to process the bodies. he's seen 175 of the bodies so

far. he said that most of them were intact, some had dismembered limbs but that their core remained intact. significant, perhaps, in these particular cases at least it does not seem as if they suffered from any sort of burns, according to this medic. the more information that's coming out, yes, the more statements that are being made, the more mysterious the circumstances of this crash appear. metrojet airlines holding a press conference in moscow this morning, saying russian passenger jet flight 9268 could not have broken apart in midair by itself. this amid new reports the passenger jet broke into pieces as it flew over the remote egyptian countryside. the fuselage disintegrating around 20 minutes into the flight. from an egyptian resort town to st. petersburg saturday, according to russian aviation officials. the airline company says the only explanation would be an external influence.

overnight nearly 150 of the 224 passengers killed on board arriving in russia. mourners of the mostly russian victims gathering at st. petersburg airport where the air jet was supposed to end its journey. aerials of the crash site show mangled wreckage, strewn across nearly eight square miles. but egypt's prime minister says there are no indications that anything out of the ordinary was about to happen on this aircraft. egypt's civil aviation minister adding, there are no reports that the airplane had faults. checks done before takeoff did not reveal anything and no one received any s.o.s. calls. still, questions linger as to why flight 9268 hurled to the ground in a remote part of egypt, in clear weather, an area plagued by a violent islamic insurgency. >> you can certainly see where

there were any sign of a bomb or a missile striking the aircraft. they leave very distinctive marking. that should be able to be eliminated very quickly. >> reporter: the co-pilot's ex-wife telling russia state-run news, he complained before the flight to their daughter wishing for a better technical condition of the plane. most passengers were founded with their seat belt on according to egypt's military, suggesting the pilot asked them to buckle up. >> and alisyn, concrete answers lie within the two black boxes recovered from the scene on saturday but extracting that data is going to potentially be difficult. it depends on how much damage was actually done to them. we are hearing that it is not that significant. hopefully that information will come out sooner rather than later. because in past cases, it has taken weeks, if not months, to recover data from these boxes. >> yes, let's hope it's much sooner than months, arwa. thanks so much. here with more analysis are cnn aviation correspondent and

host of "quest means business" richard quest and also the former chairman of the ntsb. you were monitoring the press conference. what jumped out at you about what officials were saying? >> really, the comments that it was not technical and it was not human error but external forces or external reasons, i just don't see at this point that they can make such a claim. it's an extraordinary claim to make but it is not surprising that the airline would be saying that at this particular point. the reality is, until there's been a forensic examination of the wreckage to see if any explosive residue, at least a full data readout of the black boxes, we simply don't know. all we know is that at a particular point plane basically fell out the air and lost all of its air speed. the reasons why are simply not known.

>> jim, you've investigated scores of these airline tragedies. do you agree with the metrojet officials that this could not be mechanical? >> oh, it's too early to make that determination. certainly this looks very much like some sort of midair event that could have either been a mechanical event, wing tag explosion such as twa 800 or it could have been the result of an explosive device placed on the aircraft. >> but not -- but i mean, which way are you leaning? they say it was external forces. what does that mean? >> well, i think that the situation here is you're going to have to have a criminal investigation looking at the possibility of a criminal act here as you proceed. but with the black boxes intact,

the russian investigators should be able to provide information fairly quickly in regard to leading us in one direction or another. >> richard, one striking graphic, juxtaposes the debris field from mh-17 which was shot out of the sky over the war-torn ukrainian/russian border and then what happened this weekend. and, you know, the debris fields look strikingly similar in terms of the size of the debris, richard. and yet we have heard, not to get too graphic, that some of the bodies were found to still be in their seat belts. what do you see, richard, when you compare the two debris fields? >> let's not be too distasteful. the reason they're in their seats, yes, it could be the captain requested that because of technical difficulties.

the flight was only 21 minutes into its journey. the seat belt sign could have still been on anyway. and anyway, most passengers do tend to leave their seat belts loosely fastened because they're asked to do so. if you take the debris field, it tells us the plane broke up but it doesn't tell us why. this could be a straightforward break at the tail and that could happen because of aerodynamic forces on the air frame that simply are outside the envelope and pull the plane apart. certainly if something dramatic happens, sort of the leap to then go to explosives -- i agree with jim, fully, in that whenever i hear of a plane incident in the crews, one of the first thing you think about is explosion, whether from fuel or from explosive device. that's the nature, because it is the safest part of flight. but what causes this breakup is what will need to be

investigated. i'm surprised they haven't said where they're going to read the black boxes yet. they've had them now for nearly 24 hours. i'm surprised we haven't actually heard which country, where they're going to be read and where we can expect to get the information. it shouldn't take that long. >> jim, does that make a difference whether they're read in russia, whether they're read in egypt and how long it will take? >> well, i know the russians have the capability to read out these boxes in the same amount of time that we could at the national transportation safety board at the united states. they have very good equipment. the concern there is being sure that the information on the black boxes is accurately reported. certainly with the background of the position that the russian government took in regard to mh-17. >> jim, one last question for you. i want to put a map of this region. you can see there are travel warnings. in the red are travel warnings,

not to fly to or, i believe, even over some of these air space. iran, iraq, ukraine, libya, sudan. then there's travel alerts that feature turkey and egypt. now, dushg turkey and egypt are popular tourist destinations for americans. how are we supposed to interpret what we're seeing with these alerts and warnings? >> well, i think that travelers need to be very cautious and aware of what carriers they're flying and what routes they're flying. until, hopefully, some of this -- some of the problems we've seen going on in the middle east are dealt with. >> richard, if somebody has a ticket to egypt today, what are you recommending they do? >> oh, it's the usual things, ensuring the airline that you're going on -- a well funded, well run airline.

many of those alerts that you're talking about, alisyn, they are flight restrictions below a certain level. so if you take, for example, the notams relating to the sinai peninsula issued by the u.s., the uk, germany and others, they all related to flight levels below 25,000 or 26,000 feet. because that was where it was believed you could -- they didn't have sophisticated enough weaponry. the problem is, if those activities, those military activities such as eastern ukraine, they get surface-to-air missiles that can get to the upper altitudes. that relies on intelligence. it is a mess. they've tried to deal with this but it is a mess. there's no unified system that's is satisfactory for alerting airlines. >> trouble be note to end on. richard quest, jim hall, thanks for all of your expertise. over to michaela.

we turn now to presidential politics. advisers for multiple republican candidates are meeting to lay out their demands for changes in future debates. the campaigns are seeking more control over the process in the wake of harsh criticism for last week's cnbc debate. athena jones is live with the details on their demands. athena? >> good morning, michaela. this is significant, seeing these campaigns unite, not just against the tv networks but also against the republican national committee, which has been negotiating the debate terms on behalf of the campaigns. this, of course, comes after so many campaigns were mad about the way the cnbc debate was handled last week. as you mention the bottom line is the campaigns want more control over the debate format. they say they want more substantive and focused debates. not all of the campaigns were there, carly fiorina's campaign was not represented. also not there, the rnc, that's because they weren't invited.

ben ginsberg, a prominent lawyer and debate negotiator was there to take part in the discussion. >> campaigns have been able -- should be able to get information about the details of the debate for sooner than they have so far this cycle. so if you have that transparency and accountability, you can talk to the sponsors about formats, opening and closing statements, the way they put up graphics on the screen and even who the moderators are and the types of questions. >> now, we're told the meeting lasted just over two hours and that it was collegial. though the campaigns didn't agree on everything. here are some of the demands they plan to make for future debates, a two-hour time limit for each debate. a chance for every candidate to make opening and closing statements. a minimum of 30 seconds per candidate. they also want editorial control of the graphics that are put up on the screen while the candidates are speaking.

they want question speaking time for each candidate. the campaigns also agreed that they would hold a group conference call with the debate sponsors before each debate. one more point i want to make, ben carson's campaign manager who organized this meeting said this new plan will not affect the fox business channel debate coming up just over a week from now. it will all begin with the next cnn debate in december. chris? >> that raised eyebrows. you know, is that about some type of preference or is it just about timing? we'll be on that this morning. athena, thank you very much. also this morning, president obama is putting boots on the ground in syria, how many, what will they do? what will they not do? all crucial questions. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr live in washington with more. what do we understand, my friend? >> reporter: good morning, chris. as you say, the president announcing late last week, less than 50 special operations forces on the ground in syria,

expected to be there within the month. they are not going to be a game changer in this war against isis. every military official i've spoken to agrees to that point. their job, advise, assist, coordinate. they will obviously have a key role in gathering intelligence on the ground. for the first time they will be there. but already, even as we see this, there are moves being made to expand all of this yet again. what is coming next? well, the pentagon already saying that they are looking at putting an additional group of special operations forces out in syria and iraq to conduct raids against high-value targets. what else is on the list? apache gun ship helicopters, allowing u.s. troops much closer to the ground to fire on targets and, yes, maybe even forward air controllers. u.s. troops out in the field helping the local forces on the ground pick out targets. what the pentagon is saying is that one of the key goals they have is to make the opposition

forces able to get to the city of raqqa in syria, isis's self-declared capital. a lot of skepticism. this could be a very long road ahead. alisyn? >> thanks so much for that reporting. a stunning comeback for turkish president's erdogan's control of parliament, six months after losing the majority it held for 18 years. one party rule is the only way to fight this two-front war with isis and militant kurds. police are urging parents to check their children's halloween stash this morning after several sharp objects were found inside candy over the weekend. children in kinnette square in philadelphia found several pieces of this candy.

>> it seems to be on the up and up, that these weren't hoaxes. they are investigating to see how far this went. >> but wrapped, you'd think -- they can slip a needle in there apparently. >> upsetting. >> wow. >> luckily none were in any of the 100 pieces of candy that i ate. >> good. i'm glad you checked it out for your kids. that's selfless. >> wow. you are a good dad. >> so far, so good. if you cannot take the heat, get off the debate stage. that from donald trump. no stranger to critiquing debates himself, he's singing a different tune. we have team trump in the "new day" house with a take on the field. the debate changes and this perceived fear of fox news. actions. they speak louder. we like that. not just because we're doers.

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>> let's discuss how donald trump feels you should be addressing these debates this weekend if you want to be in the game. >> i don't want the republicans to look weak like we're afraid to take questions. in many ways, i like it. you can answer any question. it's like we have to handle putin. we have to handle china. we have to handle all these people and take care of isis but we're afraid to have a tough question. who wits me? besides that, i got all the tough questions. nobody else. >> what's he saying? early on, council, he was like, boy, these moderators at fox, this is terrible from happened with megyn kelly. now he seems to be saying the opposite, deal with it or donne get out of the game. >> i don't think he's changing what the underlying thought is. he's saying we just have to move on. the moderators should really want to do a better job for the american people. i don't think anybody after watching that debate came out with any additional information about each of the candidates

that they were hoping for. i think what mr. trump is saying, if they want to waste the american people's time, do it. he's used to the tough questions, used to being attacked and he handles it very well. >> that's what allows one candidate to distinguish themselves from another, though, right? criticism of cnbc, that's fair. don't confuse them with jake tapper or anderson cooper. that's how we figure out who's better for the voters. i say what's wrong with you, you say what's wrong with me. >> what we really have is a political storm with discontent right now amongst the silent majority. and what they're looking for is really liberty from bad government. and that's what donald trump is talking about. that's why he resignates with his motto, right?

make america great again. he's the guy who can make america great again. if you look to see some of the things he's done, look here in new york, look at what he's done for the javid center, the skyline all over the world. this is what he's trying to say. we can make america great again. he is the guy that can create this sort of benefit for the country. >> private sector is different than public sector, though. i want to talk about the veterans plan that he put out, i'm putting it in quotes because it's a push back on whether it's a plan or suggestions. first, this fox news timing, is it just about timing, not having these changes apply to this next debate? or is this about favoritism? >> i think it's about timing, simply if you look at the past fox debate as it ended up, you know, with mr. trump, he wasn't too thrilled with some of the, again, questions that were asked of him. they're always accusatory, mean

spirited. what he's really looking for is for the moderator to give him the opportunity to tell the american people what he can do for them. >> why not enforce the changes right away? you've got nine days. >> he's not the only one on the debate stage. my opinion, there are too many people on the debate stage. there should be five. let the other eight or nine or ten go on to the second debate. there should be five. they're all fighting for time. because mr. trump is the front-runner and he's leading in the polls, they are more inclined to ask questions to him. so others are upset about that. they want their time. >> that's the nature of the beast. you don't see anything with this fox decision that's anything more than just timing? you don't think it's favoritism? you think if it was cbs that had the next one, changes would have been made now? >> i don't think so. >> you don't buy it? >> not from mr. trump's side anyway. >> the reform proposal you put

out on veterans has a list of suggestions on things that can happen. the push back is, this isn't a plan. this is a list of suggestions. it's not a real plan, no specifics. fair criticism? >> no. >> why? >> because it is a plan and it's mr. trump's plan. >> the how though? access to private providers. how? access to mental health care. how? >> when you have 22 veterans every single day committing suicide, more veterans are dieing from suicide than died in vietnam. this is a disgrace. these are the things that infuhr yat mr. trump. he was responsible for saving the veterans day parade. i'll give you an example. here's something many people don't know. he's expended millions of dollars in litigation, for what, the right to fly the american flag on his properties. they wanted him to remove it because they said it was too large. his response, no one's going to

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the united states is announcing it's going to put special forces on the ground in syria. they say no more than 50 right

now. that's the early warning. they're going to advise, not fight. that's the early promise. this is going on at the same time that world powers are sitting down at the table in vienna to see if there's a political solution to syria's civil war the main sticking point, determining the role of bashar al assad. he's not at these negotiations. you have about a country without any leadership present from it. let's bring in vice president for new initiatives and distinguished scholar at the woodrow wilson international center. aaron donald miller. a.d.m. to his friends at "new day." you refuse to join the horde of those saying these talks cannot be productive. you say there may be a situation where the constellation is in order for some progress to be made. >> there's a syrian delegation

representing them under moscow's tutelage. that's the bad news, too. you have at least five, i count them, hot and cold wars beginning on in syria under the cover of the syrian civil war. you've got the saudis and the iranians. they can't stand each other. you have erdawan. then you have struggles between the islamic state and some of the al qaeda affiliates. the real question is, chris, whether or not the u.s. and russia can create a kind of political center of gravity here to exercise influence on respective parties in order to rey create what the president calls a managed transition. the odds of this happening any time soon are probably slim to none. for the first time you have new elements. i don't want to prejudge failure but the odds are long. >> why not stay out of it, yes,

russia is there protecting their interest. they want access to the mediterranean. that's what's going to happen there. but why not just bomb isis as much as you want to or see fit as the united states security provisions provide? and stay out of the rest of it. there's nothing you can do to control it. >> i mean, i have a piece coming out in cnn.com called the bubble conversation in which it purports to be what the president thinks about this. i think he want to pursue a counterterrorism strategy against isis, number one. he's got to do something in view of the hundreds of thousands of migrants and refugees which have now become a european problem and there's the politics of watching putin risk ready against the backdrop of a risk averse president. i think the president's options on this are bad. i think his own view of the situation is realistic. he knows that 50 or frankly 500

american special forces are not going to change the battlefield balance. and the reality is in the year in change that remains on the obama administration, i think it's fair to say that the next ird, whoever he or she may be will inherit the same, you know, root canal or migraine headache that we call syria. it's a tragedy, but we can't do nothing on one hand and nobody is prepared to go all in. so you have the goldilocks strategy, not too hot and not too cold. >> if you put these men and women on the ground, these special operators, if you have a god forbid and something happens to them, they'll be very close to harm's way at a minimum, then it's just nothing but abject political failure and probably human failure on top of that in terms of puing these people there in the first place? what's the up side? >> the up side is we've had some success in the north supplying the kurds. the secretary of defense lays

out his three "r" strategy. raqqa, they're going to at some point support pressure against the isis capital. raids, we are well positioned to conduct special operations raised against isis to free hostages and presumably to kill leaders and ramadi, the third "r," an effort at some point to set the stage for an effort to help the iraqis take back one of the key cities in anbar province. this is trying to split the balance between not in, which is politically unacceptable and all in. what's the option? you don't like 50 special forces, send in 500,000. we've seen that movie before and neither congress nor the public wants to sit down at another showing. so, again, goldilocks strategy, chris, not too hold, not too

cold. you know something? who knows, maybe putin will come under pressure. there's speculation that the downed russian aircraft was brought down by a terrorist attack. i think that will force putin, if in fact it were true, to double down. maybe russia at some point will in fact bring its influence to bear to start a political process to help the administration get out of another unwinnable war. >> aaron david miller, thank you for being on "new day." goldilocks was in a house that was not hers. >> good point, chris. >> thank you for the fairy tale correction there, chris. very helpful. the republican presidential candidates demanding new conditions for the upcoming debates we're talking with the rnc about the debate debacle. that's next. what if one piece of kale

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i want smaller groups on the stage, better questions and let us all be heard from equally. >> harry truman couldn't get

elected president with explaining united states of america's health care plan in 30 seconds. >> we should have moderators who are interested in disseminating the information about the candidates as opposed to, you know, gotcha. >> i think it's fair to say the gop candidates are not happy about the debate formats thus far. the campaigns held an emergency huddle last night, coming up with a list of demands for future debays. joining us thismorning isshawn spicer of the rnc. he has a brand new title, the chief strategist and communications director for the rnc. he previously handled debate negotiations with the networks. hi, shawn. >> good morning, alisyn. >> these past five days must have about somewhat hellish for you. i mean, is that fair? >> that's very fair. >> i mean, look, you previously said -- >> there's no question -- >> go ahead. >> go ahead. i was going to say, look, there's no question that last

week's debate was a complete disaster. i think our candidates are rightly upsit. the clips you played expressed just a portion of that outrage. they expected a debate on the economy and on financial matters and it wasn't. rightly so, debates were about the candidates, them being able to express why they're running for president, they're vision, their ideas for taking 9 country forward. it's our job as a party to make sure they have that and they have the best possible format to do that. that meeting last night was just that, an opportunity to for them to get together, find areas of consensus they agree upon and a way to ensure the networks respect their ability to have a fair and open debate about their ideas. >> yes, but it's not just the networks they blame. they also blame the rnc. in fact, some people have gone so far as to call for reince priebus, the head of the rnc to resign, mark leff levin says th

has thrown this under the bus. did you guys botch this somehow? >> no. anyone who thinks we can put words in moderator's mouths is crazy. the candidates have confidence in the what the rnc is doing. they are saying they want to be more involved in the format. the rest of it still remains with the rnc. they should be. the candidates should be involved in understanding and negotiating with the networks the best foremet they agree upon. that's their role. that's something that we advocate for. so when it comes to the organization of it, the calendar, the sanctioning, the logistics of it, all of that is with the rnc in which it should be. the candidates all agree on that but the candidates want to have i agreater role in talking to the networks about commitments we've made about the format. that's perfectly appropriate. these debates are about them. >> okay. here are the demands or the requests i should say as we understand what came out of the meeting. two-hour time limit. okay. opening and closing remarks, minimum 30 seconds for each candidate. fair enough. editorial control of the graphics.

that sounds more complicated, asking the networks to grant the campaigns editorial control but equal speaking time for each candidate. what do you want the moderators to do, sit there with a stop watch and making sure everybody is getting exact time? some of this has to be free wheeling. >> i think the kacandidates hava right to be involved in this process. after the last several debates, where there's been a huge disparage in time, it's a fair complaint they have. alisyn, i think sometimes this process isn't as pretty as we would all like. but contrast what happened with the other side of the aisle. we had a discussion among other candidates last night to find areas of consensus they could come to and present to the party and say, these are the areas we want you to fight for us. that's great. that's part of the process. on the flip side, the democrats on september 16th had a protest outside of their headquarters by their candidates saying that they were being treated unfairly

and it was a coronation of hillary clinton. our party is inclusive, allowing the candidates to have a discussion. it talks about they want to be more involved. that's what we want. >> yes. >> we're all in agreement on that. on the other side of the aisle, you're having protests outside-headquarters. >> hey, shawn -- >> one more interesting detail. there's word that the new rules will not apply to the fox business network's debate nine days from now. why not? nine days is enough time to make these tweaks. >> well, again, i think this comes down to what the candidates want. it's not our job -- the rnc's job has never been to tell the cancers what to do. it's to try to find consensus and argue on their bee hahalf. >> this is what the candidates say they want. why not force fox news to comply with these conditions? >> clearly, they feel like the format that fox has given them is fine from what i understand. but, again, that's up to them to

decide. it's not for us to tell them what's good and what's bad. it's for them to tell us what the format is they want and for us to be able to advocate on their behalf for them to have an open channel of communication with the networks. if they're fine with a particular set of format or criteria, that's fine. we're not here to dictate anything. we're here to be a conduit and a helper and partner. that's what they want. that's what should be the case. that's what's going to be the case. >> shawn, "the washington post" is reporting this morning that the reason that fox news won't have to comply is because there were some people in the room last night that are afraid of roger ailes, the ceo of fox. did you hear that sentiment? >> i read it in "the washington post." i wouldn't say that means it happened. but i also think that if, look, the candidates collectively talked about that, if they agree the criteria and format for this upcoming debate is something they're amenable to, that's great. our job isn't to make decisions for them, it's to sad veadvocat

their behalf. if they're comfortable with the upcoming format, then we are as well. if they're not, then we're not. we don't make decisions on their behalf. we work for them. >> great to see you on "new day." >> you bet. thank you. we'll talk more about this with chris christie and lindsey graham in the next hour. stick around for that. chris? truth to power in a brand new interview, actress leah remini is unleashing scathing comments against her former church, the church of scientology. what did she say and will there be any fallout? we'll dig in when we come back. hi i'm heather cox

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an actress is speaking out against the church of si scientologisig scientolo scientology. she was a member for years. her comments about the church, will it affect the whole image of the church? one of its most prominence member, tom cruise, and the influence they have in hollywood. paulette cooper is here, an activist against scientology. you can read her story in "the unbreakable miss lovely."

it's written by tony ortega. pa pall e paulette, i want to ask you about your story, but, first, why did she decide to separate in 2013? >> she did. >> this is the first time we've heard her speak at length about why and her motivations. >> what makes her interesting, as compared to other people, is she was in the church as a child. her mother joined the church in brooklyn. she lived in florida. >> grew up in it. >> she was in the high-flying uniformed group. you can find of understand why it might take so long to get out of the church. this is your entire life. >> that's been one of the criticisms. why did it take her so long to come out against it? >> that's people who joined as adults. did you not see what was going on here? >> yeah. >> that's understandable. there has been a drip, drip, drip against the church for many, many years now. this seems to me to be adding to that.

>> do you think this will be more significant, especially when she talks about the influence that tom cruise, for example, wields within the church? does that have the potential for damaging him, the image of the church or her? >> there's been so much going on. since tom cruise, particularly since he marriy eied katie holm and divorced her, it's been out. this is a little different. the book is unclear, precisely what tom cruise's influence was. she and tom cruise didn't talk about his role in the church. she went to the wedding. sounds like she was mistreated there. >> maybe she was a bad wedding guest. >> complaining why the head of the church's wife wasn't there and how she wasn't allowed to sit with jennifer lopez. >> no, but she's also talked about the fact that she hasn't been seen in a long time. >> that's true. >> 40 years ago, you wrote a book about exposing scientolo scientologimescientolog

scientologitolo scientologitoloscientology. you went through a bit of hhell on that after that. >> i did. i was a journalist, trying to tell the truth. since i was the only one speaking out against them for 15 years, they went after me like you wouldn't believe it. they stole my stationary and got my fingerprint on it. they wrote themselves bomb threats, called the fbi and had me arrested. i was 15 years in jail. they sent horrible letters about me to all my neighbors, saying i had a disease and i was a part-time prostitute. they wrote my name up on walls throughout new york city. >> my goodness. >> men's bathrooms. i'd get these calls. they sued me 19 times, all over the world. that's just a few of the things they did to try to stop me from telling the truth about scientolo scientology. >> i want to show you the

response that the church of scientology issued. they issued a statement that says, in part, after leah remini made her interview on abc, they said, she needs to move on instead of pathetically exploiting her former religion, friends and celebrities y ies f money and fame. >> it's very, very muted compared to what they usually say. they call people names. one of the things that's very bad that i exposed in my book is that people tell them all of their secrets, for hours on end, days on end, and then they take these secrets and use them. they reveal them. they expose what people have said in what's called security checks and what's called their ethics folders. so this is -- what happened to her is very, very muted, very -- not anything like what happens

to, say, somebody who is a major former member and leaves and tries to talk out. >> what's interesting, paulette is absolutely right, what's interesting about this case, though it may be muted compared to paulette, is it's public with a celebrity. often, these cases you hear about in documentaries or other places are anonymous individuals who the church accused of coming after. they're coming after a celebrity. to call her ridiculous and stup stupid, that's pretty heavy. >> they actively recruited celebrity members -- >> that's correct. >> it's going to be interesting to see how this goes. we'll cut this conversation short. i'm sure we'll pick up again. paulette, thank you for joining us. larry, always a pleasure. post your comments on facebook and/or twitter, and we'll carry the conversation on there. chris? >> here's a question for this morning. was a russian plane destroyed by terrorism over the weekend? we have updates and insight when we return. etes. i started with pills. and now i take a long-acting insulin at night.

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the campaigns uniting against a tv network and the republican national committee. >> we need to mature in how we

do the debates. >> they want the debates to be substantive. >> smaller groups on the stage, better questions. >> we have to take care of isis but we're afraid to have a tough question. >> the more information we're receiving from different officials, the less we actually know. >> there's a lot of questions about the airworthiness of this plane. >> there are a number of issues that could have affected this plane. terrorism has not been ruled out. 2015 world champions, the royals! first time since 1985. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alison camerota and michaela pereira. >> it is monday, november 2nd, 8:00 in the east. more about us, less about you. that's what the republican presidential candidates are saying. are they talking about the media or the voters in their comments in changing the debates? advisers from just about all of the gop campaigns were meeting

sunday in virginia, coming up with a set of format demands for future debates. they will not apply to the next debate run by fox business. >> the candidates are trying to wrestle control from the republican national committee and the network moderators. so what happens now? cnn's athena jones is live in tampa with the details. what came out of this huddle, athena? >> good morning. this is remarkable, seeing the campaigns come together in what some are calling a revolt against the tv networks and against the republican national committee. the rnc was not invited to last night's meeting, but a prominent republican lawyer and debate negotiator, was there to help facilitate the discussion. listen to how he summed up some of the main concerns the campaigns have with these debates. >> campaigns have been able -- should be able to get information about the details of the debate, far sooner than they have so far this cycle. so if you have that transparency and accountability, you can talk

to the sponsors about formats and opening and closing statements, and the way they put up graphics on the screen. even who the moderators are and the types of questions. >> so there's some of the demands in the changes the campaigns want to see. a few others, they want to see a two-hour time limit for the debates. a chance for all of the candidates to make opening and closing remarks, a minimum of 30 seconds each. they want equal speaking time for each candidate. they want editorial control of the graphics that are put up on the screen while these candidates are speaking. now, the campaigns agreed they'd hold a group conference call with the debate sponsors before each debate to discuss the format, terms, and decide if they want to take part. as you mentioned, this new plan will not affect the next debate, which is on fox business channel, just over a week from now. they will come into place before the next cnn debate though in december. >> we will be asking the candidates all about that. thanks so much, athena.

there are new questions and new information about president obama's decision to deploy u.s. ground troops in syria. here with the latest is our cnn pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. what have you learned? >> president obama will now deploy less than 50 special operations forces to northern syria to work with anti-isil forces, to work with arabs and kurds. this is the beginning. every military official i've talked to says this will be limited. this is to advice, assist and coordinate with anti-isis forces on the ground. clearly, the special ops troop will be in a position for the first time together. intelligence on the ground. already, we're hearing details about what comes next. what does come next, the pentagon already talking now about additional special operations forces into syria and iraq to conduct ground raids

when they find high-value targets, more apache helicopters. that'll give them the ability to fire very close to the ground and maybe even forward air controllers. u.s. troops on the ground able to help pick out targets for aircraft overhead. by all accounts, it looks like this mission will continue to grow in numbers, in the numbers of troops on the ground. right now, just over 3,000 u.s. troops. no indication whether it will end. not at this point. >> i'll take it, barbara. thank you very much. let's talk about this with republican presidential candidate and new jersey governor chris christie. good to have you here. we have policy on the agenda. what's going on with policing in america. we have the politics of the debate. let's bounce off of what barbara was saying. putting troops on the ground in syria. 50 advisers. they're not going to be in harm's way, but it shows the u.s. is doing something. do you buy this? >> no. why bother? sending 50 people there, i mean,

you're going to go in and fight isis, put american ground troops in to fight isis or you shouldn't. the president doing this half measures, they're typical of his and hillary clinton's foreign policy approach all along. >> the defence is, well, you have some progress being made with these rebel groups that are hard to define, but there is military accountability. they have people to interface with and will help them help themselves. >> 50 people is going to make the difference in the fight against isis, which the president's director said is the biggest threat in the world today. >> would you go with 50,000? >> i would set up a no-fly zone to protect the rebels fighting assad, and to unite our allies in the region. the jordanians, the saudis and the egyptians. then if that does not work, then you have to consider ground troops.

but -- from america. 50 ground troops now sends a bad signal and will not be effective. >> training takes a long time. they are unwilling participants, many of the allies. during that time, president chris christie is getting beat my chris cuomo and dozens like me every day, what are you doing about isis? look what they're doing. that creates pressure to act. >> if you have a good plan, a leader doesn't worry about what chris cuomo is saying. you do your job. that's the problem with the president. he spends too much time reading polls and figuring out who likes what he's doing and who doesn't. sit with your leaders and execute a plan. if there's static between there, believe me, i've taken it before, it doesn't bother me. >> that's part of the job, no question. that takes a little politics here, changing the debate rules. what came out of the meetings seems reasonable. guaranteeing equal time, come on. >> it's ridiculous. >> you over go all the rules. >> do not count me in the group

doing this moaning and complaining about it. we went to the meeting yesterday to listen. i support the rnc continuing to make these decisions. i'm not one of these guys that will moan and complain about it. >> although, a couple of mama cuomo's good for him moments in the debate was, that's rude by jersey standards, and smacking the fan dual question out of the way, which seemed to fire the structure of the debate. >> i have the right to act the way i want to act on the stage as candidate for president, and i have the right to comment about whether i felt the moderators were fair or not fair. i didn't say anything after the cnn debate. i didn't respond. >> it's a gold standard. can't hold everybody to that level. >> i didn't complain about the fox one either. this was different. the moderators felt like they were interviewing us. you ask a question, and i give a response. afterwards, if you want to follow up, you can do it. he's interrupting me and i can't

get my answer out. i will comment to those things. doesn't mean i want us, the candidates, controlling the debate, format and having everybody negotiate. we'll never agree. the rnc has done a good job. they took steps against nbc when they thought they got out of line. i think we'll let them continue to do what they do. >> do you worry you'll do carson's work for him if they make the debates more mild, instead of mixing someone with passion with someone who doesn't? >> the rnc is the absolutely, you know -- they don't have a dog in the hunt. they want the best republican candidate to run against hillary clinton. let the rnc handle this. i trust the clhairman to make te right decisions. the third debate wasn't awful. a lot of the questions were bad, but you know what? you learned a lot about the candidates on the stage. how you can handle going back and forth. >> adversity.

it's not always going to be easy. it's almost never easy. >> the presidency is almost never scripted. we shouldn't have these debates scripted either. >> the recommendations that came out of this meeting are not extreme. they're not being put into place immediately in the next debate. people say it's no coincidence that fox business is running the next debate. fair criticism? >> i don't think so. this meeting yesterday was the first meeting amongst a desperate group of folks who all are competing to be president. i don't want that desperate group of folks to make the decisions because we'll never make a decision. no committee makes a decision. let the chairman of the rnc negotiate with the networks on its behalf. i trust him to do it. he's fair and that's the way it should go. >> good test of how someone deals with adversity, you had it with the "new york times." love them, hate them, they have insurance. they say, it's time for governor christie to drop out.

you say a great quote. i know i'm going to be the next president of the united states because if they're so worried, telling me to get out of the race, they must know i'm going to beat hillary. what's your take on anybody saying when you have to make a decision on what you're doing? >> no republican primary members care about what the "new york times" thinks. the editorial is interesting. on the one hand, it says, i'm not competent to be a presidential candidate, but on the other hand, it says, he's competent enough to go back and fix new jersey, which is what he should be doing. they can't have it both ways but they get to because no one questions them. you don't ask them about the inconsistencies in what they're doing. i'm out there working hard, getting great response from people around the country, and i work hard as governor of new jersey. you know what? i don't care what the "new york times" thinks. i take a bow for it. >> the 1% number, you've been plagued like that, that other legit guys. governor of new jersey is legit.

governor of ohio is legit. what do you tell yourself to get out of bed, forget about the mets game, but fight the fight? >> tougher today after the mets lost. >> i know. >> the way you do it is you say, you know you're making progress on the ground. sometimes it's not reflected in polls right away. the other thing is, no one is voting until february 1st. >> right. >> we all need to just say, campaigns matter. if they didn't matter, we'd have a student council election. we'd announce it on monday, have it on friday. whoever has the most friends wins. that's not the way this works. campaigns matter. how you conduct yourself on the debate stage and out on the grounds and interviews like this matter. people will make their judgments when they vote. >> you want to talk about policy. what's going on with policing in this country, matters. it matters culturely and in terms of our safety. can you make a connection between how police are doing their job and the spikes of crime? that's something i feel like i could pick up in your comments.

i don't see that by statistical -- >> the new york has -- >> he says homicides aren't up. it's how you measure it. >> it's how bratton measured it under giuliani. his problem is the mayor, not bratton. he works for a mayor who has one hand tied behind his back. 19% murder rate up in chicago. you know where they're not going up? new jersey. the crime rate is down 20% since i've been governor. the incarceration rate is down 10%, chris. i'm going to camden this afternoon, where the murder rate is down 58% in the last three years. >> what's the difference there than other cities? >> we fired the entire police force, load down by absenteeism and a bloated union contract, brought in a new force. community policing, interacting with the community, making the community part of the process. they trust these police officers. murder rate down 58% in camden

in the last three years. it can be done. the other thing the police officers know is that the governor supports them. this president has not supported law enforcement in this country. >> you're saying that that combination of efforts is what made a difference. this is part of the dialogue we want to have going forward. governor christie, thank you for being here. the invitation is open. >> thank you. questions surrounding the crash of a russian passenger plane that killed all 224 aboard. the plane broke into pieces over 30,000 feet and blaming an external factor. is terrorism or mechanical failure to blame? arwa damon is monitoring the situation for us. what are we learnin? >> the only thing that everyone seems to agree upon is that the plane did come apart in the air. other than that, there are all sorts of conflicting reports, contradictory information coming out, that's only adding to the frustration of the families who really just want to know why

this plane came crashing down. >> reporter: metro airlines holding a press conference in moscow, claiming the airliner could not have broken apart in midair by itself. metro jet airlines holding a press conference this morning in moscow, saying russian passenger jet flight 9628 could not have broken apart in midair by itself. this amid new reports the passenger jet broke into pieces as it flew over the remote egyptian countryside. the fuselage disintegrating around 20 minutes into the flight. from a egyptian resortpetersbur. the company says the only explanation is an external influence. overnight, nearly 150 of the 224 passengers killed on board arriving in russia.

mourners of the mostly russian victims gathering at st. petersburg airport, where the air jet was supposed to end its journey. aerials show wreckage strewn across eight square miles. but egypt's prime minister says there are no indications that anything out of the ordinary was about to happen on this aircraft. egypt's civil aviation minister adding, there are no reports that the airplane had faults. checks done before takeoff did not reveal anything, and no one received any s.o.s. calls. still, questions linger as to why flight 9628 hurled to the ground, in a remote part of egypt, in clear weather. an area plagued by a violent islamic insurgency. >> you can certainly see whether there were any sign of a bomb or a missile striking the aircraft. they leave very distinctive marking. that should be able to be eliminated very quickly.

>> reporter: the co-pilot's ex-wife telling russia's state-wide news, he complained before the flight to their daughter, wishing for a better technical condition of the plane. most passengers were found with passengers on, according to egypt's military, suggesting the pilot asked them to buckle up. >> chris, the two black boxes that contain vital information were recovered on saturday after the plane came down. based on what we're hearing, they didn't sustain that much damage. hopefully, the information that they contain will be extracted fairly quickly. resolving this issue once and for all. egyptian authorities are also saying that they don't believe that this plane was shot down. this part of the sinai, they say, does not contain the islamic militant groups that operate there don't have the capabilities to shoot down an airliner traveling at that attitude. >> arwa, thank youpossibility.

there are others. we'll look at this story in our next segment with an expert. there are 224 families that demand answers. overnight, something back at home, three minor earthquakes shaking arizona. 3.2 magnitude quake hit black canyon city, north of phoenix, followed by a 4.1 and 4.0 tremors a few hours later. shock waves could felt in downtown phoenix. no injuries reported. a tourist in cocoa beach, colorad florida, recovering after getting bit by a shark. she suffered a gash to her leg. fellow beach goers dragged her to the shore and she was taken to the hospital. the shark was believed to be three to five feet long. shocking video of a vicious attack on an uber driver in california. edward posted this video online to show what he says uber drivers have to deal with. he asked his passenger, benjamin golden, to leave the car for

behaving e iing erratically, bu beats him and the driver sprays him with pepper spray. the passenger is charged with assault and public intoxication and is banned from using uber again. >> that's terrifying. >> he said he wanted to post this so people could understand some of the challenges that uber drivers have. he said this is something that happens frequently. >> it's not just uber guys. >> taxi drivers, yeah. >> a lot of guys have to deal with that. it can be a dangerous job, especially in cars where they don't have the divider. >> absolutely. we think getting into an uber -- the feeling is, oh, we'll be safe, it's a stranger. they're just at risk with a stranger getting into their car. >> good presence of mind with the pepper spray. growing questions about what caused that russian plane to crash this weekend. airline officials are pointing to external factors. could one be terrorism?

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answers, mary. we heard at a press conference this morning that the air bus 8321 broke apart midair. they say that couldn't have happened by itself, and these external influences or external factors, as being the point to blame. what do you hear when you hear them say external factors? >> when they say external factors, i think what they're referring to is either a missile or bomb. a bomb introduced into the plane. probably, the three factors that cause them to say that are, one, the pilot didn't get out any communications. it was first said he was saying they were having technical difficulties. that's been discredited. he said nothing. two, the plane was on a perfectly normal trajectory. it had the right air speed and climbing the right altitude. its air speed was as smooth as steady as can be when you look at it on flight track. three, the dispersal of the wreckage. it was a pretty wide wreckage area. >> eight miles. >> i have seen bigger wreckage

areas. pan am 103 was larger. it points to something massive, like a bomb or fuel tank education ploe explosion, a bulkhead blowout, something like that. >> you say it points to it, but it's interesting to hear the metro jet official make the claims. they just have begun the investigation. is it far too soon to make this statement? >> yes. if it was something like a missile or a bomb on board, there are telltale signs on the plane. you can see -- and, of course, it takes a while to put it together, but you can see an entry point from the missile or bomb explosion. what they might be signaling is they have downloaded the black boxes and they're not getting much. remember, in tw 800, a plane that exploded off new york in july 17, 1996, it exploded to fast, there was literally

nothing on the black box or the cockpit voice recorder because the explosion destroyed boxes. maybe they're hinting. >> that's interesting. i think we actually have the black box. we can show the condition of it. it's been recovered. it's in very good condition, considering that this airplane essentially came apart in midair. it is in really good shape. what does that say to you as an investiga investigator? >> you know, it's really amazing. i remember one of the black boxes on the flight into the pentagon on september 11, 2001, survived that inferno. it's amazing what they can put up with but, yes, the black box, the download is very fast. once they get them and they're in good condition. i would assume they have downloaded the information. it takes a while though to really look at the several hundred lines of data and figure out what was going on with the plane. it is possible that some of the

investigators have already said, we're not getting anything off the black boxes. or someone is trying to point fingers outside of the airline. >> we no all the geopolitical things going on in the area further complicate this. in terms of this happening in egypt to a russian jet, mostly russians on board, in terms of who takes the lead, et cetera, that can get complicated. >> well, it can. the treaty -- the montreal treaty really does say egypt should have the lead. russia will participate. the french bea and air bus will participate, because it was a french plane. those lines are pretty clear. but there's often a lot of turf warfareinvestigation. >> we've seen that before. we also learned a number of airlines are now talking about or already instituting rerouting their flights around this area. how common is that? to see something like that. >> it's common and common sense. it's good business practice. we don't know. if it is any chance that it is a

missile and, you know, this plane was about the same height at mh-17, when the russian missile allegedly, everybody thinks it is, but when that got it, it was about this altitude. i think it's a cautious, sensible, prudent thing for an airline to do, is stay away. >> shouldn't they have already been sort of avoiding this area to begin with? the faa has had a travel alert for this region in place for some time. >> yes. some were avoiding it, just like when mh -- when the malaysia plane was shot down. some airlines were already avoiding the area. it is up to the carrier. they can issue guidelines and issue them advisories, but the carrier has to make a good, safe business decision. some decided to avoid and some didn't. this is a scenario we've seen before. >> we have so many families anxiously awaiting co ining ans. little comfort it'll bring since they lost their family members.

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look, there's no question that last week's debate was a complete disaster. i think our candidates are rightly upset. anyone who thinks we can put words in moderators mouths are crazy. the candidates have confidence in what the rnc is doing. >> that was sean spicer of rnc talking about the candidates, talking for changes to the debate format. what are the candidate's biggest beeves? let's ask senator lindsey graham. great to see you. >> thank you. >> do you still have confidence in the rnc? >> i think we're moving forward in a productive fashion. we have too many people on one stage and too few on the other. i don't mind being asked hard questions and challenging questions. i think some of the questions have been down right silly. this thing has gone on too long. the second debate went on too long. the last debate was just a

complete food fight. we're trying to take control over the process. >> i know what you've called for is splitting the number into two. somethi having seven candidates in the first debate and seven in the second, mix it up. that sounds like a good idea. was there any suggestion last night that they will do that? >> i think there was some. i think we're making progress so the candidates can input about how the debate is structured. how long, opening statements, closing statements. i think over time, this is going to get better. cnn has a debate coming down the road, and i hope cnn will look at and evenly divide it, seven and seven, whatever the numbers are then, and give everybody a fair shot. ask us all the hard questions. you can understand who we are better in smaller groups. >> you have been on the early debate, and your beef has been that you haven't been on the main stage. to be honest, you being on the early debate has allowed you to

bust out some great zingers and jokes. i mean, a lot of people thought you stole the show. it gave you more air time that you wouldn't actually get on the main stage, in fact. it also distinguished you in terms of substance. mitt romney recently tweeted. he said, after hearing lindsey graham talk foreign policy tonight at the last debate, it's clear he belongs on the big stage. that's a double-edged sword. you have been able to get a lot of attention for how you conducted yourself in the early debate. >> mitt has been kind to me, and i appreciate what he's done to make a process that includes lindsey graham. when more people watch the second debate, it's hard to breakout. when you're the undercard candidate, it puts you in a different spot. i'd love to have a discussion with my colleagues up there about syria. what would you do differently

regarding syria than obama? this strategy in syria is failing and it's never going to work. it's a complete disaster. do the other people running for president have much of a different plan? that's the question. >> before we get to syria, i want to tell you what two of your fellow gop candidates are suggesting about the debates and the format and the moderators moving forward. >> okay. >> listen to this sound bite. >> okay. >> how about if we say, from now on, if you have never voted in a republican primary in your life, you don't get to moderate a republican primary debate. >> we should have moderators who are interested in disseminating the information about the candidates, as opposed to, you know, gotcha. >> okay. so that was ben carson and ted cruz. senator, is that the answer, only let republicans ask republicans questions? >> no, not really.

because journalists are not supposed to be republicans or democrats. i know there's media bias. you know there's media bias. but i thought the cnn debate was a well-done debate by jake tapper. i have no problems with what he did. at the end of the day, we're trying to grow the party. one way to grow the party is be challenged by people who are not in it. i think it's not the political bias of the moderator that's driving the problem here, it's sort of this gotcha stuff. >> senator, we've heard the new conditions will not apply to the next debate. that's nine days from now, on the fox business network. the "washington post" this morning suggests the reason that there will not be new rules is some of the campaigns are afraid of the chairman of fox news. are some of the campaigns afraid of roger? >> i like roger, but i'm not afraid of him. i've told him and others at fox, i don't like the idea of splitting the group in two, based on national polling.

the difference between fourth place and last is within the margin era. there are two candidates consistently polling outside of double digits. the rest are from 0 to 10. to the extent that fox news uses that as cry tie criteria, i thi it's wrong. >> the president announced 50 more military special ops heading to syria. what's the problem? >> one, it won't work. isil is a direct threat to our homeland. they want to destroy the christian faith, and they're doing it. they want to purify the islamic faith. they're slaughtering people in their own faith who disagree with them. they want to attack israel. most importantly, they want to attack us. isil is very radical. they make al qaeda look like the rotary club. i want to destroy these guys before they hit us. 50 people won't turn the tide of battle. you need a ground force, and the air campaign isn't working. i'd have a no fly zone in syria to better train people, stop the flow of refugees.

i would enlist regional armies who have the same goal, to destroy isil, and there'd been three ground forces. people inside of syria, regional armies and we'd be 10% of the force. i'd destroy the guys. what obama is doing won't last. >> on a sad note, you were a dear friend of senator fred thompson who we lost this weekend. i remember you being on john mccain's straight talk express in 2000. just how much fun you guys had together. >> one of the reasons it was fun was bought of thompson. he was incredibly funny. policy wise, brilliant. great voice of conservatism. more than anything else, he was a hell of a good friend. i was on a radio station with fred and mccain. bush called in by mistake in 2000. fred had a good time. he will be missed. he was a giant of a man.

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actor fred thompson has died at age 73. he ran for president in 2008 and served in the senate. best known for his role as a no-nonsense da in "law and order." e. coli outbreak, leading chipotle to close 43 restaurants in oregon and washington state. it's working with the health department to determine the source. kansas city set to honor the world series champion royals with a parade tuesday. the royals winning the series against the mets in five games. their first title in 30 years. second in franchise history. you can get more on the five things to know by visiting new day cnn.com. remember waiting to find out if george w. bush or al gore won the 2000 presidential election? what's going to get recount and had by who? by hand or by what? there's a great new cnn report exploring those days. you're going to want to relive

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like, i have a chance. i can print out like six different ways to get to work. i would be proud to have someone like micaela be my neighbor. i would love to have somebody like claudia be my neighbor. claudia: i feel like it's part of what san francisco should be. hard to believe, but it has been 15 years since the controversial presidential election between george w. bush and al gore. tonight, cnn takes an inside look at what happened during those 36 chaotic days that it took to declare the winner. here's a look at the special report, bush v gore, the endless election. >> reporter: it's after 3:00 in the morning on november 8th, 2000. the war memorial in nashville,

tennessee. vice president al gore is inside, getting ready to publicly concede the presidential election to george w. bush. >> it was total chaos, as we were trying to get into the war memorial. pouring rain. lieberman's family and that whole family went in, the secret service, everybody was on edge. >> i got on the phone and bill said, what's up? i said, he haven't lost. it's too close to call. >> i saw my life flash in front of me. kind of break out in a sweat, thinking, what do we do here? >> he contacted david. >> everything was ringing at once and vibrating. told him, grab the vice president. get him into a holding room with joe lieberman. don't let anyone out. everybody freeze. >> michael feldman was trying to get ahold of me. you need to stop the vice president from conceding. >> he cannot go out on stage.

you have to bring him to hold. >> here to tell us more is cnn chief political analyst gloria. you're talking to the key players in this. after 15 years, what are they say saying? what are they saying about the 36 days? >> what was stunning to me, first of all, is how honest they are about it. i live in the spin zone every day in politics, right? >> sure. >> we all do. these folks who fought a bitter, hard-fought fight, look back on example, talking about how al gore had conceded. bill daly admits he shouldn't have had al gore make that initial phone call to concede. why did he do it? all the networks said that florida had gone to bush, right? of course, his own numbers guy said, wait a minute, that's not true. they were not communicating. in this day of twitter and instant messaging and texting

and all the rest -- >> wasn't like that then. >> he had his folks in the boiler room. they didn't know their own candidate has already conceded and on his way to make a speech. >> that's what they're talking about. the high-stakes moment, hold him, don't let him go out, that's before the very end. >> that's before the end. >> the election night. >> he goes to the war memorial, getting ready to do the concession speech. they say to me, it was like we're going to our own funeral. it was so awful. they get this call from michael, whom you saw, saying, stop. don't do this. don't do this. they're like, why, we lost? he said, no, you didn't. this goes to an automatic recount. from the war memorial, he has to call george w. bush and, if this is a word, unconcede the election, which he did. bush, at the other end of the line, and we have people who were with bush at the time, was,

as you can imagine, incredulous. bush saying, you're taking it back? which is exactly what he did. then the fight went on for 36 days. >> it's interesting that it was definitely legitimate issue. >> sure. >> it going to the court was unprecedented, but the decision, while not popular by democrats, was well reasoned on equal protection. the irony is, what changed? >> right. >> such a screwed up system. what changed? >> everything would have been redone. >> there are lots of studies done. there has been election reform in certain states. but every four years, we go through this. we go through the lines at the voting booths and all the rest. i was asking the folks who were involved in recount, who had been involved in election reform. why it hasn't happened at a national level. he said because elections are controlled by state and local officials. state and local officials are

partisans, right? each state remains different. this is not a federal thing, at this point. so you may have early voting in a lot of the western states, absentee ballots becoming more and more prominent now. but in terms of an entire sort of electoral system that actually works, we still don't do that very well, which is one of the reasons we're doing the documentary, honestly. because people think, oh, it may only affect my local mayoral race, if my vote doesn't count. the truth of the matter is, it determined a presidency. >> right. >> by 537 votes or whatever count you use, it was important. this story shows -- and, by the way, of course, when we ask people, could it happen again? >> the answer is? >> yes. of course it could happen again. >> we want you to tune in tonight. especially if you lived it, like we all did, you can tune in tonight for a special cnn report. bush v. gore, the endless election. it airs here on cnn.

gloria, a treat. thank you for helping us relive the days. >> listen to this one. i don't care whether you like baseball or not. this is a great world series story. a 90-year-old royals fan stands outside the stadium for decades to get autographs. >> decades? >> you know who isn't going to stand for that? the good stuff. coming up.

this is so good. it's gooder. a good deed for a dedicated fan that gets duplicated. meet this 90-year-old, war vet, loves everything royals. he's lined up outside the stadium for every home game for years. why? autographs. he's a fan, baby. but he's never been inside because he just can't afford it. >> oh, my gosh. >> our affiliate told this story. fellow fans lined up to help him, strangers. first, this guy in the blue hat, jeremy. nice stash. he says, charlie is him in 60 years. he gives him a ticket to game one. then this guy, jerry, heard about what jeremy did. guess what he does? sends him to game two. >> awesome.

>> two more for you tonight. think you might like those. >> i sure appreciate it. i get kind of thrilled. kind of thrilled about it. >> isn't that nice? >> i can't with this one. >> he wound up not going to the games. he's outside because he's a s l scallper. no, no, no. >> toy with my emotions. work me up, beat me down. >> there's always a zinger you insert in there. we never see it coming. >> never do. >> which is astonishing. >> we should know better. >> i love that the fans did that for this man. dedication. i love it. >> as if that wasn't good stuff enough, we want to congratulate our technical director beth and her husband, welcomed their first child, who she calls minion. olivia autumn came into this world. >> precious. >> october 22nd. 7 pounds, 4 ounces, 20 inches long. >> their first baby. >> oh, my gosh. look at that little baby. >> awe, give me the little legs.

>> babies all over the place. don't drink the water. >> i know. i guess not. maybe there's something on the sofa. >> hey now. >> again -- >> i'm going to leave it there. time for newsroom with carol costello on this monday morning. good morning. >> i wish i hadn't heard that. >> i can't. >> we got to go. newsroom starts now. >> please. happening now, what brought down a russian passenger jet? this morning, airline officials not ruling out terrorism as loved one pile flowers at an airport memorial. plus -- >> the debate was a really weird debate. >> gop candidates lay out their debate demands. >> harry truman couldn't get elected president with explaining the united states of america's health care plan in 30 seconds. >> should the candidates be running the show? and the kansas city royals crowned. 12