ballot measures and they went in the way of conservatives, voters in houston rejecting an initiative on gay rights, ohio rejecting marijuana. we'll look at thepleplications for the 2016 race. plus, reaction from gop candidate donald trump when he joins us live in the 7:00 hour. stick around for that. complete coverage. let's begin with john berman. good morning, john. a big upset in kentucky and a big win for republicans there. matt beven, elected governor in the state of kentucky. he'll be just the second republican in more than 40 years to hold the statehouse. he's a tea party favorite. he pretty easily defeated jack conway, the sitting attorney general in this state. matt bevin ran against mitch mcconnell in a senate prime more than a year ago. an outsider, someone who doesn't have establishment support. also against obamacare in a

state which by the way obamacare has been largely successful, signing up a lot of people there. matt bevin tweeted from the bottom of my heart, thank you to all who voted today. we are kentucky. what does this mean? this means the south, look at the south right in you, the only state that will have a democrating he governor is virginia right here. the rest, solidly red. also in the south, phil bryant, incumbent governor of mississippi easily won re-election there. as you noted, a couple interesting ballot mez yoors. ohio voting to be -- was deciding whether to be the first state in the midwest to legalize marijuana for medicinal use. it voted no. 36% to 64%. it would have also enshrined a monopoly for marijuana growth to a few farms, including one owned by nick lachey.

he tweeted, while i may not have agree people of ohio have spoken. that's the way it's supposed to work. change takes time, democracy, respect. no marijuana monopoly for nick lachey. in houston, an ordinance passed by the city council several months ago that protected all sorts of groups, banned discrimination banned on race, gender, more approximately sexual orientation and protected transgender people. this ordinance was repealed 61% to 39%. this became an interesting battle. opponents of this measure made it about bathrooms saying that the ordinance protected the rights of men to go into women's bathrooms and perhaps be sexual predators. that measure, again, defeated 61% to 39%. despite support from hillary clinton, despite support from a lot of people in hollywood and even the white house. michaela? >> you get points for working in a boy band reference into politics.

"a" grade, john berman. the race for the republican presidential nomination is growing tighter by the day. take a look the this. just released national quinnipiac poll, donald trump and dr. ben carson locked in a dead heat as the top choice of republican voters. let's get straight to athena jones with more on these numbers. >> good morning, michaela. this poll is different from two other national polls out in recent days that had carson opening up a lead. but it's still more evidence that the race is shifting. trump and carson are neck and neck. they're within the poll's margin error. when you compare the numbers to september, trouble's numbers are pretty much unchanged but that carson and ted cruz have each gained six points and marco rubio has jumped five points to third place. meanwhile, jeb bush, you can see there is way down at 4%. he's lost six points in that time. there's more bad news in this poll for bush. he has the worst net unfavorability numbers of any

candidate. 58% view him unfavorably and just 25% have a favorable view. another interesting point to highlight here is that while trump is tied with carson at the top, when the candidates are matched up head-to-head against hillary clinton, trump is the only one of the top three republican candidates that loses to her. there are also more new numbers out this morning from the wbur poll in the key early voting state of new hampshire. that poll shows that trump and carson are at the top and other candidates like marco rubio and chris christie are making gains. now, trump is in new hampshire today filing his paperwork to get on the ballot there and i'm going to guess he's going to bring up these latest poll numbers. alisyn, chris? >> athena, let's break this down. we have cnn chief national correspondent and host of "inside politics" john king and cnn political commentator errol louis and presidential correspondent for "the new york

times," maggie haber man. j.k., i start with you. it starts with a "t" and it rhymes with bull. the word is trouble. >> the music man. >> is that what it was. >> yes. >> i love show tunes and nick lachey. >> tell us what what happened yesterday was grim. >> it is grim. let's be clear. it's dangerous to overread off-year elections, especially the odd year off-year elections when only a few states vote. it's dangerous to overread any mandate. it's also important what happened here. look at the state of kentucky. this was the state democrats held up as a national poster child for obamacare. steve bashir, he expanded medicaid in the state, put tens of thousands of poor people and others on obamacare. look, this look works. matt bevin ran against it. there was also the kim davis issue in that state. you can't say it was any one

issue but republicans win in a state where gay rights and obamacare were the issue. in virginia, he wants to keep that state. he invested a lot of money, personal time and prestige in trying to win back the state senate. he failed. again, taxes were an issue. tolls were an issue. democrats tried to call the republicans in those races not jobs on guns and extremists on social issues and they lost. the question now, chris, is how do the parties react to this and perhaps overreact to this? might republicans overplay their hand and think they have a mandate? maybe. might democrats get scared and change how they campaign in 2016? i would look for that, especially in the short term, especially in the senate races in these tough states. there's no question, we always talk about how republicans have a problem in presidential years. turning out, winning when democrats turn out african-americans and latino voters we learned in 2010, 2014 and again last night, democrats have a huge structural problem in off-year elections.

their base simply doesn't come out and vote. >> i want to stick with what happened in kentucky for a little longer with matt bevin. he's likened to donald trump. he's written about that he's this outsider. he traveled the state in a gold cadillac escalade and ran as a self-funding businessman who couldn't be bought off. he had feuds with reporters and said he was black listing some of their outlets. is there any parallel to be seen with him winning and what's going on with donald trump? >> of course. outsiders are doing well this year. we see that in the national poll we just discussed, in the state presidential polling that was just discussed. again, it's dangerous to overread these things but matt bevin got crushed by mitch mcconnell. he was his opponent. the now republican senate majority leader. mitch mcconnell said his goal was to crush the tea party, which he did.

bevin runs this time, mitch mcconnell is now his friend. bevin runs this time as an outsider, beats jack conway who also lost to rand paul. what the democrats will say is jack conway didn't turn out the african-american vote in jefferson county. the outsider wins. as we talk about is carson up, trump up, can marco rubio and ted cruz surge up in the presidential field? make no mistake about it, voters, especially republican voters are looking for something different and they're willing to broaden their horizons as they look for something different. >> does that end the conversation? all right, lee. john is right. the question is, when you don't want to read too much into it, it's an off year, odd year, all that, but sometimes there are anomalies. we can look at what was happening on the national level with perry and others. it's still not what we're seeing with trump and now with carson.

sometimes things change. what's the argument, that that's what we're seeing right now, that this is a culture shift politically in terms of where people are coming out? especially when you look at the referendums. >> i think to john's point, it's easy to overread these elections. we've collectively gone through that repeatedly since 2010. i think you have to be careful. ohio in particular was weird. i think that ballot measure was weird. it's hard to make a greater read. kentucky, you have seen an erosion of democrats holding state offices in the south. that basically closed last night. you saw the end of that. the fact that you saw bevin, to your point, it's smart, running similar to donald trump in a year where being an outsider is a huge plus. it is seen as your anti-establishment, particularly if you're running for a gab -- gubernatorial seat. we're talking about one legislative seat, enormous

resources poured in. mike bloomberg came in on one side. >> he knows how to raise money and organize. he is a good look at democrats at their best in terms of playing the game. >> absolutely. >> and that state actually looks a lot like what the general election electorate looks like for next year. >> errol, let's move on to presidential politics. a new quinnipiac poll out minutes ago, it's the first poll taken completely since the last debate. trump and carson, income and neck. what's interesting, of course, is that marco rubio's support has risen fight a bit. lack at ted cruz, basically doubling his support. look at bush, halving his support. what do you see? >> the final an to the question of who won and who lost the debate. now we know who lost the debate, mr. bush. we see the three senators seem to be doing well, rubio and cruz

are sort of making some headway with voters in a way that maybe was coming from the bush voters. you know, these are both seriously conservative guys. these are people who have gone on the floor of the senate and have made all kinds of statements and tried to stand on principle in ways that the tea party likes and respects. they're in sort of the same lane as bush and they're edging him out. i mean, that's what i see there. you also see carson, of course, this pop. he's been doing better and better and then we see trump kind of leveling off. the question becomes, what will happen as we get closer an closer? we're under 90 days until iowa and every new debate and certainly the first of the caucuses and primaries is almost an entire sort of reset, you know, the whole national audience is watching, all of what goes on with this stuff. and lots of people will be making up their mind based on the actual performance of the candidate. we're getting into a real race. >> the micro, it has to be true. you had the debate. you saw who did well.

impeerically, it has to be true. political science, they have something they look at called tolerances, the space between the extreme and the middle. the gop, the silent majority that has been re-introduced by donald trump is probably misidentified by him as his group. it's probably the main part of the party that we haven't really heard from. do you think some of that is being reflected in this latest poll, these more traditional gop voters who are looking for some people with experience to pop and they saw that with rubio and to a lesser extent with cruz? >> i think they saw stronger debate performances by rubio and cruz who are also newer faces, yes, they're senators but freshman senators. they can more than a jeb bush or more than a long-term politician, more than maybe even another governor say they're, quote, unquote, new to the system. as cruz and rubio rise up, they'll get more scrutiny.

i talked to people studying the data, doing the focus groups and looking at this, the bottom line is republican voters care deeply about the selection, more so than democrats at the moment from a passion standpoint. they're so frustrated with their own victories. not only are they mad at president obama and losing the white house twice, they have 31 governors, a big house majority an you a new senate majority. they're willing to look outside the atraditional box. if rubio and cruz can crash that, so be it. we'll see the scrutiny. the challenge for those guys is, errol made a great point. they have taken votes from jeb bush, maybe some from carly fiorina. if you look at trump and carson, if you're looking at an iowa poll, new hampshire poll, they're holding somewhere between 45% and 52% of the vote nationally and in the big key states. if you want to move in this race, it has to come from them. the other candidates are petrified about attacking -- directly attacking trump or directly attacking carson.

trump because they think they might use a chain saw and carson because republicans love him. republican voters even voted who aren't supporting him view him so favorably. we're inside 90 days. kanes have been reluctant to go after trump, carson or both in a sustain sustained way, including spending tv dollars. somebody who want to change the race has to take that risk and take it soon. >> john, maggie, errol, thanks so much. coming up in the next hour, we'll speak to donald trump about the tightening poll numbers and last night's election results. sting around for that. news breaking overnight. a russian cargo plane with five russian crew members at the helm crashed shortly after takeoff from an airport in south sudan. police and local media reporting that at least 17 people killed, two people survived. the number of dead is expected to climb higher with reports of people on the ground also being killed. the tail of the plane and other

debris scattered across the banks of the white nile river near the airport of juba. >> now to the investigation into the deadly airliner crash in egypt. investigators expanding the search area this morning. this as we learn new details about the final moments of that metrojet flight before it crashed. cnn's erin mclaughlin is live in sharm el sheikh with the latest. what have you learned, erin? >> reporter: we've been getting bits and pieces of information, some of that information conflicting. there are lots of questions and very few answers. this morning, afocus of the investigation is on the tail of the plane, found, according to russian state media, about three miles away from the wreckage. the rest of the wreckage, found unburned. that's potentially significant, because of something that happened in 2001. the very same plane clipped the runway in cairo and was taken

for repairs. experts say that if those repairs are done incorrectly, that could lead to negative consequences for the plane years, even decades later. at the same time, the airline saying that the plane was in perfect condition, that it passed all maintenance checks. egyptian officials are urging people not to speculate, calling reports that there was a bomb on the plane or it was struck by a missile, as speculative. and at the same time, urging people to wait for the conclusion of this investigation that is still ongoing today at the site. russian media reporting they've expanded the search area to 15 square miles. footage from the site shows russian investigators on the ground being guarded by egyptian military, because after all, it is an area of islamist insurgency. we're waiting for the results, the analysis from the two black boxes. no timetable for that analysis just yet. >> all right.

thank you very much, erin. you make a key point. this is a dicey area where the plane went down. so far they've had access and that's allowing them to get answers as quickly as possible. more breaking news, four egyptian officers killed and others wounded after a suicide bomber slammed its car into a police social club in north sinai. state media reporting isis has claimed responsibility for the attack. the jihadists have carried out a string of deadly attacks since the military overthrew morsi in 2013. more on the mysterious crash of metrojet flight 9268. why are officials expanding the search areas? new clues in the case, next. also, we'll talk with donald trump at the top of the hour. stay tune for that. why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you?

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some new clues this morning in that metrojet plane crash in egypt. what do these mean? let's analyze them by bringing in jonathan glynn, he worked as

a federal air marshal and navy s.e.a.l. and mary schiavo as well. great to have both of you and your expertise on this morning. let's start with the reports coming out of this russian news agency about some sounds that were detected in the cockpit. they are described as unexpected, nonstandard sounds. what do those mean to you? >> what that means is a big and most likely an explosive event was captured on the cockpit voice recording and this is something that they look for in many crashes. for example, in twa 800, the explosive sound they captured on the cockpit voice recording is all they had. the explosion tore way the leads from the instrument to the flight data recorder and so what the national transportation safety board was compared that explosive sound on the cockpit voice recorder with other crashes. like pan am 103 or united airlines 811 where a cargo door ripped off.

they fond h they found harmonic signatures. >> even if there's an explosive sound it doesn't necessarily tell investigators what it came from and if it was a bomb or some sort of structural deficiency that blew the plane apart. >> that's absolutely correct. that's where our biggest issues are going to be with this investigation. it happened in egypt close to where the vacation area is. they may not want to give out all the details they may be coming across. >> meaning you're concerned that the egyptian officials, not just the russian officials, may engage in some sort of cover-up? >> we could call it cover-up or say they're not going to investigate this as fully as they could. it could be a cover-up. you have the russians who are at war in syria, not far from there. you have egypt where it's logistically much easier to get a bomb on board one of these planes than it would be here in the united states. >> why? >> it's harder to get the -- there's all kinds of explosive

material all over the middle east because there are so many wars over there. for isis or a group like that to get a weapon on a plane is easier to have it there. >> are you concerned that we won't get the full story? >> i'm very concerned about that, particularly some of the statements from the airline. the airline saying it couldn't be our plane. look, there are things they could produce right now that would determine that. there's the lov, limits of validity. for some planes that's as low as 35,000 hours or cycles. after your plane reaches that age, even our own federal aviation administration requires testing for widespread fatigue damage. and you have to do that with ultrasound, extra, magnetic particle testing, et cetera. the airline can produce evidence they did those tests. if they did not, the plane is suspect. >> the st. petersburg's newspaper, the oldest one in st. petersburg, very well respected has a new report out this

morning. i want to bounce it off both of you in terms of what they're finding in terms of the injuries of the passengers. forensic experts working on identification of bodies divide trauma into two types, burns and trauma receive as a result of falling by passengers in the front part of the plane from the tail section. but another type has size of explosion trauma with metal pieces in bodies of passengers. forensic experts say it's too early to make conclusions of the nature of those injuries but they're working on all possible scenarios, including explosion. would this tell us if there was shrapnel injuries, would this tell us if there was a bomb or structural explosion? >> marymight beabletospeak more to that specific thing. what i'm very interested in is the fact that a lot of these bodies appear to have been burn, that coupled with this heat flash that they got from the satellite, i believe from an investigative standpoint, if if the plane had just had a catastrophic fail your we wouldn't be seeing as many burn injuries and we probably

wouldn't be seeing a heat flash. the air is so cold up there before it started burning, you wouldn't necessarily have a flash. i may be wrong about that but that's what i'm seeing. >> this st. petersburg paper is the only source we have thus far that's talking about the metal pieces in bodies. other agencies have said they haven't seen that. what does this tell you? >> well, to me it says that the passengers on the plane experienced very different events in the course of the breakup of the plane. that's to be expected in almost every crash that i've ever worked on. there's huge differences in what happens to the people on board. that's why it's very important to do autopsies. it's kind of remarkably soon that they're releasing the bodies to the families. the fact that the persons in the back of the plane have this explosive damage, meaning something, not necessarily a bomb, can be the plane in an explosive event, they had metal particles in their bodies and other kinds of events like that means they withstood some sort

of a blast and most likely at that point were separated from the rest of the plane because the injuries of the others are different. it's highly significant. i've been trying to -- i had to use google translate, reading russian newspapers with it. they're reporting more and more it's coming out there is a difference in the injuries to the passengers. >> that is interesting let's hope we get more information today. thank you so much for being here. over to chris. all right, alisyn, his death, shooting death triggered a massive manhunt, everyone believing this beloved illinois police officer was murdered while chasing three suspects. now there are new details about how this lieutenant really died. we have the story for you, next on "new day." we also have a reminder, we'll get deep into politics today. we do have donald trump on. we'll ask him about the polls. his tactics and for him to make the case to you this morning. vo: know you have a dedicated

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a big election night for republicans in the south. a near clean sweep for the gop in kentucky, putting a republican in the statehouse. businessman matt bevin becomes just the second republican governor in 44 years. bevin has vowed to roll back obamacare. meanwhile, voters rejecting houston's equal rights ordinance. >> a new quinnipiac poll out this morning has gop presidential candidates dip and ben carson neck and neck. mr. trump has 24% compared to carson's 23%. senator marco rubio comes in third with 14% followed by senator ted cruz and jeb bush. and in a matchup with democratic front-runner hillary clinton carson fares best, leading her 50% to 40%. another blow for air bagmaker takata. honda announcing it's dropping the japanese company in new

models. this comes as safety regulators hit takata with a $70 million fine over inflaters. the bags can explode when activated, producing a lethal spray of shrapnel. they've been linked with eight deaths, one in malaysia and seven in the u.s. takata says it will use a different ingredient to inflate the air bags in the future. this morning, officials expected to provide evidence suggesting that lieutenant joe gliniewicz killed himself, ending months of speculation but furthering the mystery. cnn's deborah feyerick joins us with more. what have you learned. >> hundreds of police officers swarmed that area to catch what they believed were three killers on loose. perhaps this wasn't a murder but something very different. that's because lieutenant joe gliniewicz was shot two times with his own gun and no signs of a struggle.

breaking overnight, a bombshell development in the shooting death of fox lake police lieutenant joe gliniewicz, killed in early september. this morning, illinois law enforcement officials expected to announce they believe the 52-year-old officer committed suicide. dying from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. this, a departure from the initial theory that the army veteran and father of four was gunned down by at least one of three male suspects after he chased them on foot. >> this is lieutenant glynn witsz's radio call from that fateful day. minutes later he requests backup, before radio communication drops off. the backup team later finding his body 50 yards from his squad car. authorities say the 30-year veteran of the force was shot twice with his own service

weapon. gliniewicz's death prompting a massive manhunt in northern illinois. hundreds of officers, dozens of canine units and a handful of aircraft combing the wooded area for weeks, leaving the small community stunned. no one was ever arrested. the coroner saying he can't rule out a homicide, suicide or accident. >> and there were a few things that did complicate the investigation, first of all, dna found at the crime scene did not match the lieutenant. it did not match anyone in the criminal database. several police officers were being tested to see whether in fact that crime scene may have been contaminated. also the fox lake police department was under investigation. there was a big internal investigation going on. the police chief had actually been put on administrative leave and then retired. so all of that may have impacted what may have happened. guys? >> just incredible. >> a reminder you have to let

the course of the investigation play out. there's always a rush to judgment in these kind of stories, what happened. >> you don't always get an answer. >> no. >> they're still struggling with that there. jeb bush's numbers are sliding to new lows in the polls. so how does he plan to turn things around? a revealing one-on-one interview with jeb bush, next. and a reminder for you, we'll speak live with donald trump top of the hour.

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we're doing everything we can to give you the best experience possible. because we should fit into your life. not the other way around. a new quinnipiac poll shows support for republican presidential candidate jeb bush continuing to erode. bush at 4% in fifth place behind donald trump, ben carson, marco rubio and ted cruz. cnn special correspondent jamie gangel had a conversation with him. how is he feeling? >> he says he's feeling better. they're relaunching the campaign again, trying to turn a page and hoping that he can break through. we talked to him about donald

trump and trump said he should quit, spoiler alert. he's not going to go anywhere right now. we started by asking him just how he connects with voters. >> i have some good news for you. you are working with lowered expectations. >> yes. >> no way to go -- does that in some way free you up? >> to a certain extent. i always knew this was going to be hard. i never felt like a front-runner because we haven't earned it. starting out on the journey, you have to earn it. i have to get better at debating or performing, whatever it's called. i will. i'm a grinder. >> what does that mean? >> i eat nails before i eat breakfast. i'm focused, competitive, set high expectations on myself. i knew this was going to be

hard. >> donald trump is tweeting out every two seconds. this morning he said, you should quit. he said all the candidates should quit except -- >> except him? >> except for him. do you think an old-fashioned guy who wants to be a doer, who wants to be a fixer is really what people are looking for? >> they're desperate for it. this is the real world. in the pundit world where it's all about this kind of bizarre tweeting out things that aren't relevant to anybody's real life, you know, that's another subject. i'm not going to win over the punditry class for sure. i know i can win over people that aspire to a better life for themselves and their family. as it relates to donald, he's run for president twice and quit. i've run for governor in the biggest swing state and won twice. i know how to win. i've done it. i actually know how to govern, which is going to be an

attribute when we get closer to the election. >> for the record, for donald trump, you're not quitting? >> no. i mean, do we have to talk about donald trump? no, i'm not quitting. he's entertaining. he's fun. he says funny things in the breaks, in.debate. i'm running for president of the united states. it's a serious endeavor. i do it with joy. there's a lot of fun parts of it for sure. >> marco rubio, he is now rising in the polls. your former protege. in the debate you went after him for missing votes. he hit back and some people think he got the better of the moment. was it a mistake to attack him on that? >> here's my point. people that are serving need to show up and work. period. over and out. >> it wasn't a mistake? >> i just think people need to show up and make. >> i understand. this is a cam pane. you've got to beat these other guys. do you keep attacking? >> i'm not attacking to say

someone should show up and work. do you get paid when you don't show up? >> no. >> come on. does anybody in this room get paid when they decide i'm going to go do something else? rand paul has got a pretty good attendance record. he's running for president as well. you can make an accommodation. the people of the state of florida expect people to show up and work when they reflect them. it's not a criticism. it's a simple fact. >> you're going to keep saying it? >> that people ought to show up and work? >> that marco rubio -- >> it's not a criticism. >> okay. donald trump, we have to get back to him one more time. he just called marco rubio a lightweight and he said vladimir putin would eat him for lunch. you think that's fair? >> no, it's not fair. marco is a capable guy. he's a talented politician. here's what i think. i think i'm the best qualified to be president. >> is marco rubio ready? >> i'm the best qualified to be president. >> you're not going to answer the question. >> if you're comparing me to

donald trump, i'm better qualified to be president. >> is marco rubio -- >> i'm better qualified than anybody else running for president i'm not pushing people down when i say that. if it makes you feel better, everybody on the republican stage is better than hillary clinton. that's a low bar, though. >> you have said you have grave concerns about donald trump. you watch firsthand your brother, your father be commander in chief. >> yes. >> are you comfortable with donald trump as commander in chief? >> i'm not comfortable with some of the things he says, particularly about syria where he one week says that let isis take out assad and then the russians come in and he praises putin. says let russia take care of isis. it's a reactive kind of mode that somehow i'm the big guy in the room, i'll figure it out as i go along. foreign policy needs to have a set of principles. i think he's going to have to

learn, if he's serious about this, to be able to get your foreign policy advice from the shows is probably not the best way to be ready to be president. >> do you get a sense that he's flummoxed when he looks at the polls and see how well donald trump is doing and how poorly he's doing? do you think he gets frustrated by that? >> of course. he's going to say polls are polls, they're dynamic. nobody wants to be at 8%, nobody wants to be at 4%. >> of course. >> this is not going in the right direction. >> yes, last week he was asked are you having any fun? and his response was, yes, i'm having fun! he was testy about it. in person, do you get the impression that he's enjoying some of this or not? >> it's very interesting you said that. i think there is a complete disconnect between what he's like in person and what he's like on tv. >> interesting. >> his energy level, he seemed relaxed. he was up, he does seem happy in

person. he's working hard, because he has to break through. but there is something you're not seeing that's not coming through. >> sometimes it's just a bad matchup, you know, within you look at opponents on paper. sometimes you look at his resume, look at who he is. i get why there is so much money behind him. i don't believe it was just a bush legacy issue. i believe he was very attractive. in the current environment with what is resonating with voters, is it just a bad matchup for him and his skill set? >> it may be. this is a decent man, a hard-working man. he was a fixer as governor with a great reputation. but it's been a long time since he was governor and someone said to me, jeb is running the a time when there was a 24-hour news cycle, now there's a 24-second news cycle. then he has donald trump on top of it. >> right. >> it's a very different climate. >> that shows up when you even

see how he did in the debate. the fact that what you talk about, about his public appearance when he's on the ground with folks, where he relates well or to where he's on the front stage, you can see it's a struggle, even for him. >> i thought it was fascinating when he said he didn't hit rubio back because the moderator said that it was time to move on. and interrupted him. that's sort of -- he's like his father. he's polite. he thought it was time to stop. >> right. >> but in the end, it didn't look good. >> right. he was playing by the rules but in this particular election cycle there are no rules. you have to throw out that old rule book. >> exactly. >> we'll have more of your interview coming up on "new day." we appreciate that. in a few minutes time we'll speak live with donald trump right here on "new day." hillary clinton surging in the latest polls. has the bernie sanders movement burned out? >> #burned out? is that what you're saying?

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more power to your gut. hillary clinton taking a wide lead over her rival, bernie sanders in a new national poll out just this morning. she's also by the way pulling ahead in new hampshire. we'll show you those in a moment. there are other numbers that suggest some trouble ahead for the democratic front-runner. let's break it down with brad woodhouse, the president of correct the record, a super pac supporting hillary clinton. he's also the former communications director for the dnc. brad, great to see you. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> the first number we showed, hillary clinton getting 53% of democrat's choice for nominee, bernie sanders 35%, that must be music to your eyes to mix a metaphor. >> yes. >> do you -- what do you think caused that dump? is that joe biden officially getting out of the race? >> i think it has a lot to do

with what we saw in october. we came into october and people said this could be a treacherous month for hillary clinton. she has the debate, the potential of joe biden, the benghazi hearings. she leaped over those hurdles with ep loos an bounds. it w it was a great month for her. you don't take anything for granted in this business. my advice to candidates is always to run like you're ten points behind. i think she is going to do that. but you see her consolidating support among democrats, among women, and it's -- i think it's been a good run for her. >> and yet, not so fast, brad, because there are other numbers out this morning from that same quinnipiac poll that shows in head-to-head matchups against the republicans she's not faring as well, look at this. when you put her against ben carson he gets 50% to her 40%. when you put her against marco rubio, rubio gets 46%, hillary clinton 41%. she does win in this

head-to-head matchup. she gets 46% to donald trump's 43%. that may be within the margin of error. what's beginning on in the more national numbers? >> look, first of all, i think head-to-heads between a democrat and a republican before anyone has won a primary are, you know, a little ridiculous. they're fun, interesting but here's the other thing. no one thinks that hillary clinton or any democratic nominee will get only 40% of the vote. so i kind of call those results into question. but look, the main thing right now, for hillary clinton, is to win the democratic primary. the numbers there are looking better. she's not taking anything for granted. senator sanders has run a strong, competitive race as she's always said. >> you like the numbers we first showed in the same quinnipiac poll for bernie sanders but not the ones in the matchups against the republicans. >> the reason is, this is more of a head-to-head matchup. you're kind of playing three-dimensional chess comparing a democratic candidate

who doesn't have the nomination to half a dozen republican candidates who haven't won the nomination. >> i get it. let's talk about the issues that she wants to focus on. >> sure. >> one of them is gun violence. she's said she wants to make this a prime issue in the election. in fact, she's rolling out a new campaign ad about gun violence in iowa and new hampshire. we have a little clip of that. let me play it for you. >> this epidemic of gun violence knows no boundaries. between 88 and 92 people a day are killed by guns. we're better than this. we need to close the loopholes. >> brad, there's a very surprising finding in this new quinnipiac poll about how voters feel. about gun violence maybe i can pull this up for you. this is among democrats, mind you, where they rate gun violence, economy and jobs is number one, way out front at 45%. then health care, 9%, foreign policy 9%, climate change 7%,

federal deficit 5% and then all the way at the bottom you get to gun policy. now, i mean, given that this is such a third rail issue for voters, people feel so strongly, is this the right issue for her to be focusing on? >> well, look, alisyn, somebody has to focus on this issue. just look at what we've seen and what she says -- what she says in that ad. i really applaud her for taking this on. because there are as a politician, there are risks in taking this issue on. but what it needs is someone to have passion, to be passionate about it and get the numbers. i mean, the vast majority of americans want to do something about this, particularly as it relates to background checks and to have a leader infuse passion into those numbers to match the passion that the gun lobby has. i applaud hillary clinton for doing that. >> is that what she will bring to the table? the request for -- or demand for universal background checks?

is that what she's going to stick with that will distinguish her in this battle? >> well, look, i think that's one important part of her platform. and i think she's even talked about executive actions that she might take as president. i believe this is an important issue. america has to grapple with this issue. and someone of her stature leading it, i really applaud it. those other issues she's going to address particularly as it relates to the economy, she's had a lot to say about this. this is an important issue and it's great that she's taken it on. >> last, very quickly, bernie sanders calls himself the underdog now particularly with these new numbers. given this current climate of people embracing the outside of the establishment, do you think -- what do you predict for bernie sanders? his numbers in the next month or so? >> look, senator sanders raised a lot of money. he's generated enthusiasm. i think, you know, he's going to be around. he's going to be -- he's going

to be competitive. he's going to add to the conversation. i think hillary clinton is demonstrated on the democratic side, people appreciate stature, experience, qualifications and a long-term commitment to democratic policies she's demonstrated over the course of her life. i think that's going to suit her well in the primary. >> brad woodhouse, thanks so much for being on "new day." >> thank you. we're following allot of news this morning. let's get right to it. donald trump and dr. ben carson locked in a dead heat. >> how about being guest host on "saturday night live," does that interest you? >> no. >> i have to get better at debating or performing, whatever that's called. >> we're getting into a real race. candidates have been reluctant to go after ben carson, donald trump or both. >> you look at marco rubio, very, very weak on illegal immigration. my jeb impression, i don't like showing a person sleeping at a podium. do i think it's time to have some of other republican candidates drop out? yes.

>> donald trump, he joins us, live. the airline is saying there was no mechanical failure. >> isis has given no proof it was responsible. >> what could have happened to this plane that would have caused it to disintegrate in midair? this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning, everyone. welcome back to your "new day." first, it was an important night for republicans that could have implications for next fall. kentucky electioning a new republican governor, only the second time that's happened in the last 40 years. and the virginia state senate is still in gop hands. those are just two of the party's big wins last night. >> two notable ballot measure. you have the votes and the referenda. there are certainly victories for conservative voters in houston, rejecting an equal rights ordinance and ohio citizens rejecting legalization of marijuana. in just a few moments we'll talk to donald trump, get his take on the polls they cut both ways for him. how he sees the race. how he sees last night and why he believes that today he is

better for you than anybody else to be president of the united states. we have complete coverage. let's begin with john berman. what did you see, j.b.? >> ia big upset in kentucky. matt bevin, the second republican governor in more than 40 years in that state. democrats have held that office for a long, long time right now. he beat the attorney general, democrat jack conway fairly easily. that despite the fact that conway was leading in almost all the polls going into election night. a couple interesting dynamics here. matt bevin, a tea party favorite. you'll remember, he ran against mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader in a primary a year ago. he lost but won now. he'd been driving around the state in his gold cadillac escalade, trying to channel the outsider surge around the country. he might have tapped into it. a fierce opponent of obamacare, in a state, kentucky, where obamacare has been widely

implemented. thousands and thousands of people signed up on the medic d rolls there. bevin crowing about the victory, from the bottom of my heart. thank you to all who voted today. we are kentucky. that's the entire south, all republican governors in all of these states except for virginia. virginia, the lone holdout state with a democratic governor. vir i have by the way, democrats suffered a blow last night. they did not flip the state senate there. that is something they badly wanted. another race to tell you about in mississippi, the incumbent governor, republican phil bryant won easily. a couple of ballot measures that caught people's attention around the country. ohio, there was a measure to try to legalize marijuana for medical and recreational use. voters voted no overwhelmingly, 64% said no. there was a weird dynamic going on here, though. voters had to decide whether or not there was a monopoly for

those who grew it. just a few farms would be allowed to grow it, including one owned by boy band member nick lachey. he tweeted, why i may not agree, the people of ohio have spoken. that's the way it's supposed to work. change takes time. a bad night for nick lachey. an ordinance was repealed, it banned discrimination based on sex gender, also against sexual orientation. that measure was repealed. o opponents said it would give the right to men to go into bathrooms and, perhaps, be predators. that, again, repealed. nearly a dead heat right now in the race for the republican presidential nomination. donald trump who we'll speak to in just a moment, holding on to a one huff point lead over dr. ben carson in a new quinnipiac poll released last hour. that's a statistical tie.

let's bring in athena jones with these new numbers, live from washington. >> good morning, michaela. this new poll with trump and carson neck and neck is more evidence that the race is ink chaing after months of trump being solidly in the lead. when you compare the numbers now to september, trump's numbers are pretty much unchanged. you can see that carson and ted cruz have each gained six points and marco rubio has jumped five points to third place. meanwhile, jeb bush is way down at 4%. he's lost six points in that time. there's more bad news in this poll for bush. he has the worst net unfavorability numbers of any candidate, 58% view him unfavorably. and just 25% have a favorable view. another interesting point to highlight here, while trump is tied with carson at the top, when all the candidates are matched up head to head, against hillary clinton, trump is the only one of the top three republican candidates that loses to her.

and there are more new numbers out this morning in the key early voting state of new hampshire, the wbur poll there shows trump and carson are at the top and other candidates like marco rubio and chris christie are also making gains in that state. there's a lot of talk -- a lot to talk about with all these numbers. chris? >> we have the man to talk to them about, athena. joining us now, republican presidential candidate donald trump. he's filing papers today to be on the new hampshire ballot. mr. trouble, did i get you out of bed? are you ready to go. >> you didn't get me out of bed. i'm ready to go. i'm leaving for new hampshire very shortly. we'll be filing our documents today. that will be very exciting actually. >> you'll be on the ballot there. the polls show you should expect to do well. the polls are all over the place to be frank, the quinnipiac, the national polls show you locked up with carson as you know. they see a big bump for rubio and cruz after the debate. people were expecting that. now we see it. there are also state polls that

tell a different story in terms of your growth. here it's stagnant on the national side but in states like georgia, south carolina, you're seeing pops. make the case for why you believe the polls say you're doing just fine. >> one just came out in florida, i'm way ahead. just came out a little while ago. i'm way ahead. the polls i've done very well in. it's amazing, last week we had abc, "washington post," i was way ahead in a national poll and cbs came out where i was slightly hn slight ly behind by two points and everybody thought it was the benghazi story with hillary clinton. it was amazing. i said what about the abc "washington post" poll? we didn't see that one. you know, i think it's pretty unfair playing field. that's okay. because abc "washington post" was a great poll for me. it came out just about the same time as cbs. it's an incredible thing. i think i'm doing well in new hampshire. we're doing really well -- yesterday, we took the lead back

in iowa. we have a huge lead in florida and south carolina. we continue to go on. look, the bottom line is it starts on february 1st. everybody will see what happens on february 1st. but you know, i'm getting the biggest crowds by far. yesterday other than sara murray didn't report it very well, because she never flips the cameras to flip the lines. i think she's absolutely terrible, your reporter. we had a line that went down to park avenue from trump tower. >> i drove past it. >> it was an incredible scene there. >> i drove past it -- >> most people said they have never seen anything like it. >> i saw the lines. >> if you listen to sara murray, you would think there's three people. >> that's not the way she did it. that's the way you took it. >> she's unemotional as a person or not a very good reporter. >> i didn't mention the florida poll because our people in house don't like the methodology of that poll.

we're not using it until we can confirm the numbers. the other one -- >> but if somebody else were leading i guarantee you'd be using it. >> absolutely not. if the methodology isn't good, we won't use it. >> i accept your word on that, chris. >> i appreciate it. i take yours as well. i get the negative tactics are working for you but it's my job to check them on you. you lumped me in with the sara murrays. >> no. >> you are top notch. i don't see it with sara murray. she never reports on my crowd sizes. have the biggest crowds. she shows her face, never scans the room and shows the tremendous crowds i'm getting. >> let's make it about you, not sara murray. >> maybe she's a low-key individual that doesn't believe in showing crowds. everybody shows other people's crowds, not mine. >> everybody is uniform in their

reporting that you are certainly the biggest celebrity in the race. nobody is questioning that. it's how it will translate into you as a leader, you as president. that's what the testing is about. the tactics have worked well for you. the question is will they continue to? yesterday you were outspoken about how you thought hillary clinton had gotten a pass, only easy questions in the debate. you tweeted you thought anderson did a great job in the debate. >> he did a terrific job. >> how did she not get good questions if he did a good job. >> the question i was getting, it wasn't a question from john harwood. he was making wise guy statements with the questions. >> that's one example from one guy. >> he asked him a question about me and governor huckabee let him have it. i thought he did a great job. the difference is, i thought anderson cooper did a great job, comparison -- they were tough enough questions but they weren't tough like us. ours weren't even questions. they were statements given over

by the moderator. >> mr. trump, can you imagine what would happen if he came out against hillary clinton, here were his first questions, will you say anything to get elected? do you change your political identity based on who you're talking to? are you a progressive or a moderate? he then looks at bernie sanders and says is there anybody else here who's not a capitalist and starts to dictate what he says at the gop made to go ad against him as a socialist who honeymooned in russia. these were heavy blows that anderson brought. he tested them, showed what you want to see in a debate. when i punch you in the nose, how do you respond? this should be something you should embrace, right. >> the question is, did he ask about the e-mails. bernie sanders gave her a pass. >> that was bernie's judgment, not coop's. >> no, no. did he go into that with hillary during the questioning. >> sure he did. he did his job. this is about you guys, not

about the media. >> i understand. there were other things. there were a lot of things that could have been asked of hillary that could have been nasty, so nasty i don't want to bring them up. there are many things he could have asked. with that being said, i thought anderson was professional and tough. if you look at the questions that were asked of us, they were much tougher than that. >> let's leave that as it is. >> they weren't even questions. they were statements. >> the obvious takeaway, i think we'll agree, you should do cnn as often as possible. it is obviously the fairest place doing the job at the highest level. agreed? >> you get the best ratings. >> the book comes out, the reaction is huge. people are looking at it, buying it, buying multiple copies. we start to look inside. there are two things i want to get your response on. there's this guy, michael dantonio, you were working with him in the beginning, then you cut him out. he tells a different story about how you got your start, the help you got from your family.

what is wrong with acknowledging the help that your father who's one of the legends in new york city in terms of building a better city, what's wrong with the fact that you had a successful family who helped you? >> my father was very, very proud of me. michael dantonio wrote a third grade book. he's a guy i don't even know. i did two or three interviews with him, little ones. i saw where he was going. i left him. walked out of the room. he worked with somebody from "people" magazine. he said my sister and brother and people gave me $30 million loan. they didn't have $30 million. when i started out they didn't have 10 cents. they did well on their own and they didn't have money. my father never gave any money when my father passed away he gave some but by the time he passed away, i had already built my business, frankly. when my father passed away who was a wonderful guy. >> yes. >> your father knew my father and liked him a lot. >> he liked him, respected him. he thought he was one of the giants of new york, he did the

right thing for the right people. he was respected by politicians and others. >> he was a builder in queens. my father didn't want me to go into manhunt. my brothers and sisters didn't have money until my father passed away. when my father passed away, they got something from my father. not nearly as big as people think. whatever my father left was split up. i have two brothers, two sisters, me and other people got things, okay. >> i don't understand -- >> just so you understand by the time it was all split up we had a thing called estate tax, a massive tax. >> no question. >> but by that time i had long built my company. but this guy dantonio said my brothers and my sisters gave $30 million. they didn't have $30 million. especially in those days. you know, you're talking about -- he was talking about the '70s and '80s. they didn't have any money. >> right. my point of the question is, i

know --s you know, i know your family's history very well. your father is beyond reproach as far as i'm concerned in terms of what he did for the city. >> i think they loved each other. my mother thought your mother was one of great ladies. by the way, so do i. >> you certainly won my mother over. i'm just asking that question because it shows -- >> you just heard my answer. my answer was my father was totally supportive. i learned he was my mentor, best friend. my father didn't have that kind of money where he could give that kind of money out. my father didn't want me to go into manhunt. i took a small loan. it was relative -- when i say small, small compared to what i built. i mean i have a net worth of much more than $10 billion. so anybody that can take a small amount of money and build up that kind of a net worth, i'm not saying that -- i also own some of the great assets of the

world, including turnberry in scotland, doral in miami, hundreds and acres in miami, trump tower and many other buildings throughout. the bank of america building in san francisco, a big chunk of that. i have some of the great real estate assets and you know, it's not just like they throw off "x" dollars. they throw off a lot. i have very little debt. you saw that because when i did my filing. oh, well he'll never file. but then i have all these people writing books about i got this, that, i got peanuts. brooklyn wasn't worth -- each heard numbers where i was given so much money. brooklyn wasn't worth that kind of money at that time. you're tacking about a long time ago. when i built the grand hyatt hotel, i got hired to put up a lot of the money. frankly to put up that kind of money coming out of brooklyn and queens was impossible. i built the grand hyatt hotel. >> i understand. i wanted to give you a chance to correct the record. it was set up like you were moving away from your dad.

i wanted to give you a chance to answer. >> i have a cousin who calls me all the time. he does a family tree. someday you'll have to correct all these horrible books that are written. they're so wrong. wayne barrett, a total dope. a total loser. he wrote stuff that is just incredible. he wrote if i had a lawyer -- and if the lawyer 20 years ago represented some mobster or something, immediately i became best friends with the mobster because i had the same lawyer. even though steinbrenner had the same lawyer, newhouse had the same lawyer. some of the biggest people in new york. if i had a lawyer that at some point in his career represented a mog guy, i was a mob guy. my cousin said you have to do a book. this was not that book. although it is a book talking about the assets and debt and talking about all of the things i've done so well. because i'm trying to show that that's the kind of mindset we need to run the country where we have 19 trillion in debt and we

don't make good deals anymore. >> i get the case you're trying to make. >> i will make great deals for this country. i'll get us out of debt because i'm very good at it. nobody can do it like i do. by the way, carson does not have the mentality to do that. he has no chance. and you look at rubio, he's toldly overrated. he has debt on his credit cards. >> you made the segue i need to make here, mr. trump. >> excuse me? >> you made the segue i immediate needed to make. thank you for that. when you talk about your opponents, ben carson doesn't have the temperament or experience. marco rubio, you talk about personal finances, jeb bush, you talk about his energy. here's what they say in response. so you can respond. the carson camp says this is genius what donald trump is saying. he's using his own weakness as what is dr. ben carson's actual strength. you are the one with the temperament issue. anyone you disagree with, you call a loser, you say they stink. you have never been in public

office. >> he says the same thing by the way. >> he says it dumpily than you and he doesn't say the kinds of things that you'll say, which often -- >> ben will not be able to deal with china. he will not be able to deal with iran. he will not be able to deal with any of the countries that are really abusing our country. they're abusing it. >> what is the proof that you could? >> he will not be able to deal with japan. >> what is the proof you could? >> that's not his thing. frankly when you talk about energy, he has lower energy than bush. >> what does that mean, low energy? >> you're not going to do anything. >> what does that mean, low energy? >> i don't know where ben comes from. if ben got in, you would say oh, my god, we have ourselves a problem. >> but become kbk -- >> i will tell you that right now. >> i'm not here to advocate for them. >> people can put them in -- my temperament is great. you can't have a bad temperament and build a bad company. >> you can't just attack them.

>> i have 90 days left. i'm a different guy than jeb bush who said marco is terrific, he's a wonderful person. he's a dear friend. three months ago i said they hate each other. i turned out to be right. >> they both say they don't hate each other. >> excuse me, they hate each other. to be specific, they hate each other. >> they say they don't hate each other. >> more than you will ever know. >> you know better than they do, i guess. >> marco is extremely disloyal to jeb bush and everybody said marco will never run because without jeb, marco would have never been where he is. and marco, frankly, i mann, when he ran, it was shocking to people, especially to the people of florida. it was shocking that he ran. >> here's what -- >> because of the loyalty factor. >> here's the criticism, the case you need to make. >> by the way, i this those people are right. he should have been more respectful to jeb bush. >> i think he got points in the debate because he was so respectful. when there was an open attack, a naked attack by bush about

whether or not he goes and does the voting or not, how did marco rubio respond? with empathy, as a friend would. >> he was weak in terms his attack and counterattack. there was no counterattack. >> no imoo saying marco rubio didn't counterer -- >> he should have then refuted what marco had said. because jeb had the better argument but he was a bad messenger. >> well, maybe. that's your take. what i'm saying is this. >> that's not my take. that's everybody's take. >> you don't know what everybody's take is. you only know what you say. >> he attacked him and that was fine. his message was not as badly delivered as people said. >> here's what i'm saying. >> he attacked -- the problem was marco went on, talking about how wonderful it is that he didn't vote, which is wrong and other things. jeb just stood there and didn't say anything. >> here's the point. you cannot effectively think you're going to win to be president by just attacking the opponents all the time. it has to be what you're going to do, what is positive.

>> i've said what i'm going to do. >> how you will do it. >> i'll renegotiate deals where we're losing billions and trillions of dollars. we'll have the finest trade deals. right now we're suckers for the rest the world. i'm going to start immediately with renegotiating our trade deals, build up our military. i'm going to take care of our vets. i'm going to get rid of obamacare and replace it with something much better. you have me followed by sara murray. >> you have to stop insulting people who do their job. >> you report the energy in the room. she stands there like there's 12 people in the room. >> she's a good reporter. you know she's a good reporter. you were nice to her yesterday when you saw her at your book signing. now you use this tactic of attacking her. >> she didn't show the lines of people. >> so what, she didn't show the lines. people know how many people were there. you tell everybody.

>> excuse me. it stretched down to madison avenue from the door. three and four abreast. >> i get it. we know that there were big crowds. >> she said there were three people standing there. >> we cover it all the time. i get as much criticism for doing the interview with you, how i do it as i do for having you on the first place. because they say you get so much attention. >> i doubt that. i guarantee you this, if there was nobody at the book signing she would have covered it and showed all the empty space. >> i don't think you have a good case that the media is mean to you. i just don't think you have a good case. you get the most attention. >> i don't know if she's incompetent or she doesn't like me. maybe she's given instructions up above. who knows. i don't really care. >> you know you get the most attention. >> cnn is very straight, i'm sure. >> you see now? you went from saying cnn is good, we do a good job, now you're taking a shot at us. >> i'm complaining about the reporter that covers me. she's terrible. that's fine. >> let's talk about "saturday night live." i can't have you going after sara murray. >> you'll defend her later.

i'm sure she'll defend herself in a timid way. >> she's doing a good job. >> she's not reporting accurately. she's not reporting accurately. >> she is reporting accurately. you just don't like the reporting. >> i go into rooms 4,000, 5,000, 6,000 people. when she reports it you'd think there were five people there. the people are going crazy. we're going to make america great again. they go crazy and she stands there reporting, well, i'm here, never talks about the crowds. the crowd size. usually she reports when everyone has left and she's standing in an empty room. that's not good reporting. >> mr. trump, that's your perspective on it. >> there has to be an agenda some place in cnn. >> the agenda is truth. >> let somebody else have her. >> let's talk about "saturday night live." let's end it on a funny note. you're going there to do it. i was very surprised that they invited you because i thought you were at war with them, then they wanted to have you on. you say it's because of ratings. >> you're never at woor when you

get great ratings with a network. nobody gets ratings like me. you think you would have had 24 and 25 million people watching cnn and fox -- >> no, i don't. i don't think the popularity is enough. >> if rubio was there, you would have had two people watching. >> you help ratings, no question with it. i see it in my minute by minutes. you like to go to the safe harbors where they give you a pass. you don't like to come on as much. >> i like to go to places where they treat me fairly. >> do you think i treat you fairly. >> i won't comment. i'm gnat talking about you. i'm talking about cnn. >> i only do this one show. do i treat you fairly on "new day"? >> i like you. and i like your treatment and i do think you're fair. but your other people, i can tell you do not. >> all right. look, that's your opinion. i'm just saying no matter how you feel about michaela pereira, i want you to know i still invite you on "new day" whenever you want to come on.

you're relevant. you're the front-runner. let's talk about "snl." why are you doing it? >> well, i say because loren michaels, it started off as a skit. i said, all right, i'll do it. they took it up to loren michaels. he said wait a minute, donald's agreeing to do the skit. would he do the whole thing? they came back and called me, would you host "saturday night live"? and i said, i would. it's an honor. i did "60 minutes" a few weeks ago where putin was with me. they got tremendous ratings. loren called and wanted me to do it. hosting "saturday night live," being on "60 minutes" with a really good piece like they gave, that's their iconic things. >> ben carson says that being president is a serious thing. ben carson says you shoin be joking around about becoming president. it's a serious endeavor. should be treated seriously.

that goes to your tone as well. >> ben carson would have done it in two seconds if they asked him. if they asked him, nobody would watch. >> he says no. >> they wouldn't ask him. they are about ratings and current culture and they ask people. i saw that where ben carson said, oh, i'm too serious to do "saturday night live." i'd never do it. i mann, give me a break. he would have done it in ten seconds and he wouldn't do probably "60 minutes" either because it's not serious enough. ben carson would have done "saturday night live" in two seconds if they asked him. but they didn't ask him. they won't ask him, most likely. maybe they will. who knows. but they probably won't ask him because it is ratings driven. he's not going to get ratings. and frankly, if they asked him he would have done it in two seconds. wh when i heard his stamtd about this is too serious, give me a break. he took a two-week tour of a book where he left the campaign in order to promote a book. he announced i'm leaving the campaign to promote a book.

>> you have a book out, too. he was modifying his schedule. >> if you look at "saturday night live," probably every president we've had for many years has done "saturday night live." so what ben carson said is a lot of bunk and you know it. >> i'll take your criticism on it. >> you don't have to take my criticism. you know it's true also. every single major politician in this country probably for 30 years has done "saturday night live." if they're invited. if they're invited. but to do it you have to be invited. and to the best of my knowledge, ben carson has not been invited. and probably won't. he would do it in two seconds. >> all right. i look forward to watching you on saturday night. it's past my bedtime. i'll watch it because i like to see what you do there. thank you for coming on "new day," thank you for not throwing me under the bus this morning. don't do it on twitter after this. i'll be watching the twitter feed, mr. trump. good luck in new hampshire today. >> very good. thank you very much. >> take care. >> really? >> he does not like you, i'll

tell you that right now. you were unfair. everybody knows it. although we do match. >> ahead, we'll have reaction to chris's interview with donald trump. >> why don't you let him talk more? >> that's chris's mother reaction. >> that's what she's going to say. >> we have michael xsmerconish. also, what brought down the russian commercial airliner. we'll be right back. an help guie your investments through good times and bad. for over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments so in a variety of market conditions... you can feel confident... ...in our experience. call a t. rowe price retirement specialist or your advisor ...to see how we can help make the most of your retirement savings. t. rowe price. invest with confidence.

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welcome back to "new day." chris just wrapped up what can only be called a wide-ranking interview with donald trump. here to discuss it all, our cnn political commentator and host of cnn's "smerconish," michael smerconish. as well as bill carter. great to have you here. bill, you're nodding. what did you hear? >> i heard a colorful guy displaying his usual personality. >> what about trump? >> that, too. >> you know, i didn't hear a whole lot about what was going on in the cam pape. it's all about personalities. and i think donald is very effective when he's punching. he punches from the hip. and that's what he does. and does it score with people? it obviously makes people think

he's authoritative. that's what he's selling. >> what we try to do in these interviews, he and i come from a similar back ground. i understand his vibe and where he's coming from. what we're trying to do is show mr. trump at his most full some self. somebody says i'm wrong, they are wrong themselves. these are basic rules he has made this game about those rules and i think that's the key to his effectiveness. >> well, what's indisputable is his ratings value, whether it's here on "new day," or "snl." who could take their eyes off the last half hour of television? i wish you had a split screen on me and could have seen my facial reaction. i've been sitting here howling for 30 minutes. but i have to make one serious point. >> were you mad at me like my mother? >> not at all. i was wanting more. i wish you would have gone for

another 30 minutes. he conflates entertainment and leadership and evaluated everything by how long the line was. i'm sitting here and thinking to myself, when i was a teenager, i used to sleep out in my car for yes tickets. it doesn't mean i think keyboardist rick wakeman should be elected president of the united states. who wouldn't want to meet him. of course you'd stan in line. >> let's dive into some of the things he said. as we all know, he often has more style than substance. he did talk about things. one of the things he talks a lot about is how he built an empire, a real estate empire. >> yes. >> from what he considers meager means, his father helped him a bit. >> a little bit. >> did he spite what he started with, you cannot deny that he has built -- that he talked about his massive real estate holdings. >> right. >> he says that's what he wants to do for the country. and voters believe somebody who can do that in new york city can do that for the country. >> he may think that's true. i think it's just sort of him boasting about it.

there's no substance to that claim. >> but he has his track record. why doesn't that count for something? >> it does count for something. if he was bulling something in washington, it would be direct comparison. he has a right to say that. it's absolutely valid to say he's been a successful businessman. that's absolutely valid. i don't want to criticize that. i think it's fine. i do think it's just bluster, though, what's the rest of the message? >> the rest of the message is i can make great deals in washington. i've made great deals in new york. >> he's talking about other people's personalities. he's not getting to the substance of it. he's not giving the voters more than the surface right now. it's difficult. i have to say this. he's on the phone. >> the phone is a great tactic. phone is a great tactic. gives him a huge advantage. >> he does. he doesn't have to look you in the eye. it's hard to stop him. it's very hard to -- he can go off on a tangent. >> i have to tell you, i wonder if you have too high a bar for pleks. i do not mean this cynically.

i was raised by a politician. >> yes, a very good one. >> what it is about that is most fundamental, first of all, michael, i direct this to you. i investigated donald trump for a long time. it is not fair to say his daddy made him. it's not true. he had political kecks with kerry that helped with commodore, may have guaranteed some loans. donald trump did some things that his father never considered doing. it's fair. no question. it was not just his daddy. i have to tell you, michael, it is always style over substance. you politic. that that's what sells now, clinton, rag, obama, they want to hear what you say and we'll see what you do later. why should trump be held to a different standard? >> very famously, roger ailes gave advice to ronald reagan

before a debate he was having. he said, remember, you didn't get elected on details. it's all about vision. i agree with the point that you're making and i would also say he's providing exactly the level of information that american voters -- republican american voters are demanding. he's still leading the polls although we can talk about how his margin has shrunken and may continue to shrink. to the extent people are frustrated with his lack of detail, they should probably be frustrated with what the demands are that are being made of him. i don't mean bit media. you've asked for the detail. by the public that are still willing to support him without that concrete plan on any issue. >> michael, bill, great to get your follow-up to the trump interview. we want to hear your take out there. tweet us using #newdaycnn or post your comment on facebook.com/newday. chris looks forward to reading all of those. >> he's looking forward to reading your tweets. she's looking forward to reading his tweets.

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still no clear answer this morning about what happened to that doomed russian jetliner. there are new clues, though, about the flight's final moments and the wreckage. let's unpack is all with david soucie, cnn aviation analyst and former faa accident investigator and inspector. so many new details to crunch through with you. let's tick through them one by one if you'll indulge me. we understand the reports from the data recorders say that unexpected and uncharacteristic sounds were heard moments before that doomed plane disappeared off the radar. give us an idea of the unexpected, uncharacteristic sounds. what could that entail and what does that mean to you? >> well, the unexpected part means, of course, there was nothing that led up to it at all. the uncharacteristic can be one

of two things, either it's a sound outside of the normal operating range of the aircraft that you hear through the microphones. the other thing it could be, if the sound is loud enough, then it will actually limit or cap the amount of sound that the microphones can hear and it will cause what we call digital clipping or clipping of the sound. >> we also learned there was details about this flight that the flight, when the plane reached its target altitude, it veerp very, very quickly before plunging to the ground. what does that tell you? was that something -- >> well, when you -- >> go ahead. >> what you mentioned before, let's not de-emphasize that. we're talking about a severe, severe up. it went by my calculations about 8,000 feet per minute kind of a climb when normally you'd be 1800 to 2,000. it quadrupled its clip upward. if we're talking about the tail coming off of the airplane, it's

counterintuitive. the weight of the tail coming off the airplane, it would typically go down, not up. i might jumping ahead here a little. >> that's okay. >> the infrared flash, by looking at the time and data of when that occur with be that occurred at the top of the climb, not at the bottom. it wasn't the flash or explosion or whatever it might have been would have caused the claim, the climb, the peak of that climb is where the flash occurred according to the information we have today. so it makes me question, did the tail come off, chicken or the egg, did the tail come off first, causing the aircraft to climb? doesn't make sense. it makes sense that the aircraft climbed first and then the tail came off. >> let's talk about that tail. the reason we're talking about the tail is russian state media is reporting that it was found some three miles away from the rest of the debris. so in interprets of on-site investigators when they're trying to literally and figurati figuratively, piece together what happened, is that more of

an indication of what happened than what we're seeing on the data recorder? >> the data recorder is a key piece of information but knowing that all they heard was brief sounds, i'm not sure we're going to get a whole lot of information off of those flight data recorders. the cockpit voice recorder, it seems like it was sudden and instantaneous. i don't think the cockpit crew had any time to respond. they're not going to get anything from there. the flight data recorder is cut off immediately as soon as the electricity is cut off. it being in the tail would have been of no use at that point as far as going down. the only thing we can hope for from the flight data recorder is there's some kind of information that would tell us what happened leading up to the moment that the aircraft cracked. >> in the hours after this, i remember we reported that the maintenance records show this plane, this exact airplane had some sort of other incident involving an accident with its tail section but that had been repaired. does that cause you concern? given fact of what we see with the debris, any questions arise?

>> whenever there's a tail strike that causes a major repair to be done, it raises a lot of concern. because of the fact that it's so sensitive. these aircraft are assembled in a factory, in a manufacturing facility. that's how they're intended to contain the pressurization and all the different stresses that get transferred throughout the aircraft. when that's broken, and you put some kind of repair in there, that can transfer those energy, all that energy to the different place. it's supposed to be in certain places. it flexes, transfers that energy out the airplane through the keel beam or some beam throughout the aircraft. when that gets changed you're moving that flexible area, stiffening it, saying it needs to be harder here. that can transfer that energy, taking years to propagate itself. and that is in line with the type of repair that could cause this down the road. >> such a mystery still. the investigation continues. we'll keep watching this. thanks for joining us, david

soucie. alisyn. >> thank you, michaela. russia escalating aggression in syria. is there a viable way for russia to end the blood shed or are there actions making it worse? we'll ask a member of congress who recently went to moscow and was briefed. sure, tv has evolved over the years.

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the conflict in syria continues to escalate. a human rights group says rebels are using human shields to ward of government attacks. this as russia appears to change its support of the basher el assad. joining me my guest who has recently returned from a trip to moscow. >> i was in moscow about three weeks ago on an intelligence trip. and i met with folks from the ministry of foreign affairs. my goal was simple. first to make sure that we have no midair incidents between russian jet supporting the assad

regime and u.s. jets that are trying to take out isis fighters with our coalition partners. that is my first concern. secondly i conveyed to the russians that they are complicit in the slaughter of innocent people on the ground in syria. they are causing this refugee crisis to continue to escalate. and there are no military victories to be found in syria on behalf of the united states or russia and that we should do everything we can to find a way to find new leadership there, rather than just see the death toll get higher and higher. >> well congressman that is a strong message you issued to the leaders of the foreign ministry there. what was the response. >> typical to the russian propaganda machine, the difference between what they say and do are often the difference between light and darkness. the evidence shows they are clearly trying to support the

assad regime and part of the bombing of innocent civilians in damascus. >> is how is what russia is doing in syria affecting the u.s. policy? and how should the u.s. be responding? >> u.s. i believe needs to work internationally to remove assad from power. we should not be sending additional u.s. forces on the ground to syria without a clear mission. i believe the president's plan to put more individual into the syria is very dangerous. i believe he's doing so without the authorization of congress and that he should go to congress and ask for the use of military force so that we can define the scope of just what our role there is going to be. otherwise i do fear that we could have a mission creep and pretty soon we could see hundreds or thousands of u.s. soldiers on the ground mired in this mess that is a syrian conflict. >> you are in congress. what do you think congress's appetite or willingness is to vote on a measure in syria? >> we should be guided by

lessons from the past. and we know whether it is in south america or vietnam or other conflicts in the mideast that working with our international allies to find political solutions is always better than trying to go in and do it ourselves especially with boots on the ground in uncertain areas where religious strife seems to predominate everything else. so i'm very concerned about this and i think congress should define how many people we're sending in there, how long they are going to be there. and if that doesn't happen, i'm afraid of what could come next. >> congressman, very quickly, i want you to comment on our top story and that is what happened with this russian metro jet. are you confident now having dealt with the russians that we will get real information from them about what caused this crash? >> it's been suggested they might engage in some sort of cover up. >> there is three propaganda machines here at work. first the egyptians. they don't want it to be terrorism. so without much of an

investigation they are ruling that out. the russians don't want it to be an airliner mechanical failure so they are suggesting terrorism. and ice sis claiming responsibility without much evidence. there is only one -- hopefully we can get to the bottom of it. >> thanks so much for being on "new day." >> thank you alisyn. well it wasn't the election everybody is talking about but it americans. how could those states decided last night effect president election 2016. politics follows culture. remember.

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>> i have the ultimate temperament. my temperament is great. i have ninety days left. i want to win. >> i have to get better at debating or performing i guess whatever that's called. i'm the best qualified to be president. >> are you satisfied with donald trump as commander in chief? >> uncharacteristic sounds on the cockpit voice recorder. >> the u.s. satellite detected the heat flash while the plane was still in flight. >> isis has given no proof it was responsible. >> there are many ways to put a bomb on the plane as there are people in the airport that touch that plane. >> this is "new day" with cris

cuomo, alisyn camerota. and michaela pereira. >> good morning. relationships hope election night 2015 is a sign of more good things to come. well they scored big wins in kentucky. including electing the second republican governor in the last 44 years. and he wasn't just anybody. he is also a reflection of the national gop as well. also big moves -- >> i'll just move my lips while you speak. >> i've never looked so good. >> and voters in houston rejecting a gay rights measure and ohio rejecting the legalization of marijuana. so what are the implications for the 2016 race? we have complete coverage. and we begin with john burman who is tracking all of the interesting election results. >> upset in kentucky. big win for republicans and victories for the conservative movement across the board. starting in kentucky.

bevin, he will be the next ark governor just the second time in more than 40 years. that a republican will occupy the governor's office there. he beat democrat jack conway, the attorney general in there. perhaps an outsider/insider dynamic at play in that state. the map. is all red. the only state where you have that democratic governor will be in virginia. and virginia by the way the democrats retailed to take over the senate there. a blow to the democrats in that state as well. in mississippi, the republican governor there phil bryant, he was reelected fairly easily there. the ballot measures everyone is talking about today. ohio, marijuana. a measure that would have legalized marijuana for medicinal and recreational use failed. it was quirky though because it also guaranteed a monopoly to several growers in that state.

and one of them was former boy band member nick lachey. he lost last night. he tweeted while i may noi not agree, the people of ohio has spoken and that is the way it's supposed to work. change takes time. in houston there was an ordinance that banned discrimination based on race, gender, sexual orientation. that was repealed overwhelmingly. 61-39%. this became a battle over ballrooms. the proponents said men would be able to go into the women's ballrooms and somehow be predators. this ensures a victory for conservatives. matt bevin a tea party favorite wins there. a guy who's been against obamacare for a long time. matt bevin also a big supporter of kim davis and her battle to not issue same-sex marriage licenses. >> if you like tight races you

are probably loving the battle for the republican republican presidential nomination. trump had a one point lead over carson in the latest post debate quinnipiac pole. and that is a statistical dead heat. >> good morning. this new poll with trump and carson neck and neck within the margin of error is just more evidence that this race is changing. after months of trump solidly in the lead. when you compare numbers now to september, trump's numbers are pretty much unchanged. but you can see that carson and cruz have gained six points each. and marco rubio has jumped five points to third place. meanwhile. jeb bush has lost six points since september. and more bad news for bush in this poll. he has the first net unfavorability numbers of any candidate.

57% view him unfavorably. and just 25% have a favorable view. while trump and cars reason tied at the top, when the candidates are all matched up head to head against hillary clinton, trump is the only one of the top three republican candidates that loses to her. and there are more new numbers out this morning from the key early voting state of new hampshire. the wbur poll shows trump and carson are at the top. meanwhile other candidates like marco rubio and chris christie are making gains there. trump is in new hampshire today filing his paperwork to get on the ballot. i'm sure he'll be talking more about the poll numbers and leaves a lot for us to talk about as well. >> donald trump's spot atop the p polls. trump unloaded on competitors and the media, and the polls here on "new day." here is a listen. >> when you talk about your opponents which you have been doing more and more recently. ben carsonn't doesn't have the

temperament. he doesn't have the experience. rubio doesn't have the -- you talk about his personal finances. the carson camp says this is genius, what donald trump is saying. because he's using his own weakness as what is dr. ben carsonan carsonance's actual strength. you are the one with the temperament issue. no matter how good the argument is you say they stink. >> he says the same thing by the way. hee had his -- >> well he -- [inaudible]. -- but it still hurts in the moment. >> ben will not be able to deal with china. he will not be able to deal with iran. he will not be able to deal with any of the countries that are really abusing our country and they are abusing it. >> what is the proof that you could? >> -- because that is not his thing. and frankly, when you talk about energy he's got lower energy than jeb bush.

>> what does that mean low energy? >> i don't know where ben comes from. but if ben got in, you would say oh my god, we have ourselves a problem. okay? i will tell you that right now. >> here is -- i'm not here to advocate for them. >> my temperament is great. you can't have the bad temperament and build a bad company. >> but all you do is attack those who don't agree with you. >> of course. i have ninety days left. and i want to win. and i turned out to be right. they hate each other. >> they both say they are doing -- >> excuse me, they hate each other. to be specific. >> they both say they don't hate each other. >> more than you will ever know how much they hate each other. >> so you know better than they do i guess. >> marco is extremely disloil to

jeb bush. and everybody said without jeb marco would not be where he was. and when he ran it was shocking to people of florida that he ran because of the loyalty factor. >> here is the case you need to make. >> and by the i think you are right. >> i think he got a lot of -- because he was so respectful of. how did marco rubio respond? with empathy. if -- >> in terms of his attack and counterattack. there was no koubt counterattack. >> marco rubio didn't -- >> should have refuted what jeb had said. jeb had the better argument but he was a bad messenger. >> maybe. that your take but -- >> that's not my take. that's everybody's take. he had a counterattack.

he attacked him and that was fine. and his message was not as badly delivered as people said. but he attacked. the problem was marco then went on talking about how wonderful it is that he didn't vote which is wrong and other things and then jeb just stood there and didn't say anything. >> here is the point. you cannot effectively think that you are going to win to be president by just staking the opponents all the time. -- attacking the opponents all of the time? >> i've said what i'm going to. i'm going to renegotiate our trade deals. where we're losing billions and billions and even trillions of. >> you have to do more. you have to say how you will do it. >> -- we're suckers for the rest of the world. i'm going to start immediately with renegotiating trade deals. i'm going to build up the military. i'm going to take care of our vets. i'm going to get rid of -- >> that all -- but the devil is in the details. >> i've said this a hundred times -- >> we have so much to talk

about. here to break it down all things tru trump. great to have you all here. paul, what jumps out at you from the trump palooza. >> first, congratulations bringing him out of his shell, chris. trump is a shy guy. it trick's remarkable talent to get him to open up. i feel like that mosquito in a --. anywhere i land i don't know where to begin. >> be so very careful where you land paul, really. >> as you know attacking the media in the republican party especially, it works. republican primary voters hate the press. because they hate facts. they hate truth. they believe that they should live in their own little bubble and they have created one in their right wing media. so they love attackes on the

press. the second thing which is not often discussed is it works. trump has the press so cowed you can almost hear them moo. he does it because it works. it was a brilliant tactic. you didn't give it in chris. >> thanks. you're a little late on that paul by the way. >> now stood up for our reporter who's covering trump very well. i stood up for the press. honestly i hate to complement you because i don't like you. you did a great job defending people who actually report the truth. >> two things. one, sarah murray needs no defense. if donald trump feels that way about someone they are saying it is right to have an opinion. i don't agree. if you go after a reporter because you don't like what they said about you that doesn't mean the reporting was wrong. if you watch a reporter the reporters speak for themselves. second is some people want to talk policy. we had governor kasich on here

he's talked policy all day and wouldn't say anything about the other candidates. that's not trump's m.o. so the decision is to test him on his own game. and it isn't about the merits it is about the tactics. and his are working right now and jeb's are not. fair criticism? >> i think it's both. the merits and tactics. they are completely different personas. they are completely different careers. i think they are completely different vocations. the humility level. i cannot imagine jeb bush going on tv and spending half the interview criticizing a reporter. frankly i thought for a while sarah murray was running for gop nomination and leading donald trump in the polls. he was so unhinged about her. i think it goes back to the temperament question. we have seen him do this now for months and months and months. it has worked for him for months

and months and months. so he thinks let me just do what has been working. the problem is he's become a one trick pony and it is becoming really old. the shiny object is no long they are shiny. the veneer is coming off and i think it is really affecting iz psyche. >> hold on. i want to challenge you on one thing. what he does, quite effectively, is he plants these seeds of discontent about the other candidates. he says marco rubio has credit card debt. ben carson can't negotiate well. jeb bush is low energy. and you can't unhear them once he says them i think he is effect -- >> people with the -- >> what to do about that emma? >> he's very very good about that. but i don't think it's having the same effect it did at the beginning. when he first started he was squarely focused on jeb bush and the low energy thing. and much to my chagrin i think it took a cost. it had a cost on jeb and it's

now led to a branding problem that jeb is going to have to fight hard against to counter. but nowadays his attacks are so diluted on one hand against marco. he's still against jeb. against ben carson, against sarah murray. it is really kind of hard to keep up with the speed and variety of attacks spewing out of donald trump's mouth. and it is getting old. i don't think the attacks he's, for example waging against ben carson are having the same effect as the ones that were laser focused on jeb bush four months ago. >> want to talk polls? >> yeah. the proof is in the polls and he's still doing well. the state polls are even more flattering to mr. trump than the most recent national ones. and i think that speaks to him growing strength in regions as opposed to overall. but paul, what is your take? i will argue all day it is not cynicism. politics is often personal. that's what trump has made the

head line for the primary so far. and it's working. what do you see in these numbers. >> well as carson has rizsen trump has not fallen. i find that remarkable. it is a solid veneer right now. he is not falling even though i would have said watching it trump and carson fish from the same pond. but he's not. trump has shown remarkable resilience. what it means is there are no more voters left for the rest of the field. bush is at four. rubio in double digits? come on he's been running for president since he was five. it really just the two goliaths and the rest of the field. >> what's happened with jeb in the numbers is the most striking. so is carson taking money from jeb? jeb bush was at 10% in september. now he's half that at 4%.

>> i don't think he's taking money or poll numbers from jeb. i think that it is an entirely different pot base of primary voters. i think jeb has got to reset, reboot, refocus. and i think he's got to rebrand. i think he's got to reconcile himself with the fact that running for president requires performing. i spoke to him last night. and i think he's got it. i think he's understood that yes, you can be about policy. yes you can be authentic. you don't have to sell out your authenticity. but you have to perform particularly when you are in a field of ten other people on that stage with gigantic egos and personas. >> you look at jeb on paper. you know him personally. you have one feeling about him and his ed pedigree and professionali professionalism. but sometimes it is just a bad match up. you and the havibagala.

your so much more appealing and authentic. on the basis of annals -- on paper he looks good. >> but his hair is so much better than mine. i gist can't compete. >> wow. >> no defense. i got no defense. >> i love paul. everybody knows it. my point is this. is it just a bad match up for jeb that trump, carson, even rubio and cruz are making this a game that just doesn't play well to his strengths? >> let's -- go ahead paul. >> i want to hear from anna. >> -- sometimes there are people who are one way in private and don't project it publicly. when you are running for president particularly in 2015, the era of twitter, of snap chat of blogs of 24/7 cable news, you have got to be able to project

it through the screen. and i think that's been one of jeb's biggest challenges. the match up, you know, what can i tell you? it is like picking your parents. you don't have a choice. it is what it is. and you just have to work with the cards you are dealt. >> paul, ten seconds do you want to tie it up? >> the biggest thing in jeb's debate. his biggest weakness. he's not angry enough. they have figured out how to tap into their voters anger and jeb has not. >> -- >> one word answer. >> wow. there you go. >> says his friend. >> you defended him. he called you a cow early in the -- >> he did not. he said reportered for cowed like you. >> he said moo and he was looking at you when he said it. >> don't try to throw paul under

the bus. we'll carry on with news here at 17 minutes after the hour. the met ro jet that crashed in egypt made a severe drop in ground speed area in the moments before taking its plunge. the search area includes 15 square miles now. 33 victims have been identified. the first body has been returned to a family in russia for burial. president obama determined to take action on the keystone pipeline before he leaves office despite the fact that the company wants to delay. the president is expected to reject the pipeline proposal as soon as this month. >> the wife of late comedian robin williams is speaking out for the first time since his death. susan williams says despite what most people think, depression

and williams' long time struggles with alcohol and drug diction did not play a role in his suicide. she said it was his battle of body dementia which effects memory, movement and mood. >> the plane crash, the plane apparently slowed radically before plunging from the sky. why might that happen?

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new clues into the crash of that met ro jet plane over egypt. let's dig deeper with our former accident investigator for the ntsb, faa and air force. also using science to save lives one crash at a time. thank youing ing ifor being he. first the new audio evidence we understand from reports they heard something on tapes. a sound that was unexpected and non-standard coming from the cockpit. what does that mean to you?

>> well there could be several things. it could be a crack occurring in the pressurization. and of course whenever you hear that if you are at high altitudes as a pilot -- as you know i'm an aviation psychologist. you can sometimes get what's called a starltled response on the crew. i don't know if that's what caused the sudden unexpected climb or not. but whenever you get an unexpected shock if you will, sometimes you act in that interesting ways. >> when you talk about the startle response, so if pilots were startled by something they might do something that would sort of overcorrect. and let's look at what happened then. because there was this unexplainable descent. t you see this climb.

this rapid climb. our own experts say it was 8,000 feet a minute. so how else can you explain that? >> well there could be some structural inducement, if you will. remember this is a fly by wire aircraft. and there could have been some electrical anomaly introduced to cause that. but i agree with david, 8,000 feet a minute is very unusual at that those altitudes. they call that coffin corner because if you go too fast and get up against the sound barrier you can do structural damage to the aircraft. and if you go too slow you enter the area of the stall. so you hander jets very gingerly at those altitudes and 8,000 feet per minute is a very unusual rate of climb at that altitude. especially being loaded that heavily. a full passenger load and almost

full fuel. so that is an interesting development. the plunge afterwards can be explained particularly if the tail did separate. david explained that you would expect the nose to pitch down because of the loss of horizontal stabilizer. we also are going to have to look at these repairs. excuse me alisyn. >> i just want to read one thing coming out of the news outlets. some of the new clues in journalists not necessarily yet officials. but a news outlet today. very well respected. forensic experts working on identification of bodies divide traumas into two types. burns and traumas received as a result of falling. by the passengers in the front to the plane, meaning, to the tail section. forensic experts say it is too early to make conclusions of the

nature of the injuries but they are working on all possible scenarios including explosion. what do those details tell you? >> of course they would allude to the possibility of a missile of bomb. if there are in fact metal fragments in the bodies that would be very interesting. and clearly bombs and missiles provide certain types of shrapnel wounds examiners would be able to identify quickly. but these are unconfirmed unofficial discussions right now. so we probably want to wait a while on that alisyn. >> so are you comfortable saying which way you are leaning today? >> well from doing 40 years of these kind of investigations you never want to close off any area. you let the science and the evidence lead you. but right now it is looking to me like it is some kind of mechanical. and that repair is very curious. because of course we know that

happened in 2001 when the aircraft was fairly new. there was a tail strike at cairo when they landed. it was repaired. as david soucie explained, whenever you repair these aircraft you introduce new types of failure modes and you are very dependent on the maintenance people to detect any kind of subsequent failure. now, if these mechanics back in russia haven't been paid for a couple of months, you worry about that. >> yeah. >> -- they may be distracted. so yeah, that can happen alisyn. that will be up to the russians. >> you have laid it out so perfectly for us. and so many troubling scenarios. thank you for being on "new back to politics. jeb bush down but not out. he's getting advice from quite a familiar face. a name he rarely uses on the campaign trail. stick around for an interview you certainly don't want to miss. ♪ (woman) one year ago today mom started searching for her words.

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this morning shows jeb bush's numbers have continued to fall. he's at 4%, in fifth place in a new quinnipiac poll. he is not giving up though. on monday he released a new book. a book full of e-mails from his time of governor. in an effort to show he's a leader the voters can trust. quite an extensive interview. has the book. >> here it is. >> how many pages is that? >> 700 pages of e-mails. but ladies and gentlemen, this is jeb bush. no other candidate would put out a book like this. it is the untrump. it is about what he did in office and it is what he cares about. so we talked to him about that. we talked to him about the very rough time he's having in the polls. they are moving in the wrong direction. that said. he insists he's turning a page and he has a new slogan, a new campaign speech. you are going to here the words "fix it" a lot. but we are started by talking about the book, his e-mails,

while he was governor of florida. this is not like any other presidential candidate. the book. here it is. 700 pages. this book is jeb bush. the policy wonk. the guy who likes to talk about budgets, fix things. i know you say it is the polls. i know you say it is going to change. but do you think you have waited too long? >> this book is not about policy. this is a book about the servant leader. this is a book about -- >> meaning? >> meaning that there are people that are hurting in our country that aren't getting a fair shake. and politicians that say hey, i'm just the big guy in the room, i'm the personality. trust me. and then there are people that have a servant's heart that work each and every day on behalf of people to give them a chance to have prosperity for their children to live a life of

purpose and meaning. and this book through my e-mails is an example of servant leadership. where i move the needle. i fixed things that were broken and i'm proud of it. >> and there are e-mails in and in one e-mail you talk about a word the bush family hates the d word. dynasties. and you talk about your dad sky diving, which you say you would not do, for the record. and you talk about how much you love him. how are you parents handling this campaign? >> well i'm making a contribution for my dad. i think he stopped watching reruns of c.s.i. he's back watching the cable annualize sh news shows so that he can -- he gets fired up. i love him more than he loves me. -- he loves his son.

i love him more than he loves me. mom kind of being neutral with the subject of my candidacy is also fully on board. they are all in for jeb. >> is your dad still throwing things at the tv? >> i think he is. you know, him. he is the most loving guy in the world. but he's -- this isn't about policy for him. this is about his boy, that he loves. >> when they see you struggling, is that hard? or do they keep that away from you? >> i don't know. i feel i would never want to let them down, for sure. they don't -- i don't get a sense that they are disappointed in me in any way. they know if any knows about the long haul nature of the primary campaigns and campaigns in general it is george and barbara bush. they have the right perspective. and so does my brother. he of all people knows about this. because he's by the way the last republican and the second to last republican to win

elections. so he knows how it's done. >> so let me ask you about your brother. i'm guessing that somewhere along the line he said to you don't worry about me, go out there, say whatever you need to say. do whatever you need to do. and he does understand this better than anyone else. >> yeah he does. >> you were just with him in houston. does he give you any advice? >> yeah. first of all i've struggled with this. because i don't want to, you know, say anything bad about my brother. he's my brother. and the blood sport is oh where are you this? how do you -- blah blah. and i struggled in the beginning. i spent six years governor of a state where i was never critical of my brother even when striving to get the best deal i could get for my state. it was a discipline i was quite proud of. . my bad, not his.

you're right. he said do what you need to do. his advice is be patient. stick with it. at the end of the day people are going to start figuring out who is going to be the big president. who's going to sit behind the big desk to use his terminology it's encouraging to hear that. he's been through ups and downs and, you know, that is just the way it is. >> there is a great sense of responsibility about public service in the bush family. >> yeah. >> so when you took this on, that goes with the last name. do you worry about letting your parents down? >> i have thousands and thousands of people that i want to do well. i want to win though too. i mean this is not about disappointing people. this is about fixing some really complex things they know i can do. i just know it in my heart that i can draw people together to unify the country around a few really big things. and if we did it. income would grow for the middle class. people would be lifted out of

poverty and we'd be safe and secure. and that is what i focus on. so the hardest critic of jeb bush is jeb bush. >> so interesting to hear him speak so much about his family, isn't it? >> i mean that is fascinating. we haven't seen him talk that way so, i don't know, fluidly with you. >> right. so i think that is jeb bush unvarnished. i think he's not talking about the campaign. he's talking about something personal. so you are seeing a very different side of him. i also think you are seeing what it does mean to be a bush. and look, george w. bush once said to me "my father is a great man, he gives us unconditional love. but he also casts a great shadow." and i think that is true. there is a lot to live up. >> he's got two one of two ways. either he's going to be tight because there is so much weight of that legacy. or he's going to be a warrior

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congress doesn't agree on much these days we know that. but we believe there is a chance to unite when it seems like an

obvious cause. let's say those who responded in the days after 9/11. everybody believes they need support. however at the end of september, the zadroga act, something that provides healthcare and support to the first responders, expired. now there is a bill to permanently extend the program and it's been drafted but now it is stalled by another bill which would continue funds, but only for the next five years. are people playing politics with the 9/11 first responders? what is going on here senator? what am i missing in this? is this just about how much money people want to spend on the 9/11 responders? >> i think it is callousness and unwillingness to meet the needs of these heros. they did the hard work of first looking for survivors and then looking for remains and doing the clean up and unfortunately because of all the toxins

released at 9/11 and afterwards they are dying of the horrible cancers. over 200 police officers and firefighters have died since 11 and there are 33,000 sick with diseases. they deserve basic healthcare and compensation and for house chairmen to stand in the way with a callous bill that doesn't meet their needs i think is outrageous. >> he's saying five years of funding. let's cut the amount. okay for compensation. he's making a constructive argument in that he's saying i'm not against the 9/11 responders, i just don't want to throw money at them that isn't warranted is there too much excess in this. >> there is no excess and when you are talking about 30-year-olds and 40-year-olds dying as primary wage earns they need compensation. and they need to pay the bills. when you have someone suffering from cancer you can't pay for half their cancer treatment.

you the healthcare program shouldn't expire just as their cancer doesn't. >> with regular order. the committees work on legislation before it goes to the floor. will that help this situation? >> all i know is there are 244 co-sponsors in the host. and speaker ryan is speaker of the entire house of representatives for the entire country. he should not put partisan politics over something as important as this and something that really defines who we are as a nation. we have 63 co-responsers in the senate. well beyond the majority we need to pass it there. this is a consensus bill that is non partisan. represents who we are as a nation. it is our moral obligation to be there for these first responders when they need us. i think it is outrageous that in the 11th hour without checking for the first first responders and the executives who run the

funds to cut arbitrarily put together two bills to cut their healthcare? it's absurd. >> you can't see. but i keep looking down because i want to read everything very carefully i'm saying. because this is a very powerful political device that we're talking about here. 9/11 responders matter. as people. what? some 72,000 across the nation are covered by this bill. 33,000 first responders specifically getting treatment under it. they matter metaphorically and because of the moment. i want to help them but the democrats are playing politics. >> it is not that partisan bill and issue. our co-sponsor range from the most liberal in the senate to the most liberal. i reject the notion anyone is playing politics with this. i think whether the chairman has

done is short sighted and disregards facts. i think they are making up random numbers that are irrelevant to the care that these people actually need. you can't say i'm going to pay for half. you can't say i don't care if you die at 40 after you have given a life of service and answered the call when we needed you, when the government said it was safe and you could work in that area. they are dying of the horrible diseases, chris. diseases people don't get until 80 or 90. they are getting these and dying in their 30s and 40s and 50s and it is heartbreaking. >> i remember -- let's be fair. the weeks of 911. i remember everything in the air and it took them a lot of time to get help. i remember new york city saying the air was fine, the air was fine when common sense told otherwise. we have plenty of time to talk about election. we'll be monitoring what happens with this bill. the 911 first responders some

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up. i want to remind you what these men and women give up and what they missed and i felt that this was a way to tell it in a positive way. imagine coming home to this. >> beautiful gift. >> so proud too. you warned us. >> you did warn us. thank you. >> they didn't put any of the practice sessions on facebook because they wanted to surprise the father. >> they did it. >> time for newsroom. >> that was a lovely moment. thank you. have a great day. newsroom starts now. >> happening now in the newsroom, a rich republican with outsider cred. no, not donald trump. kentucky's governor elect. >> this offers us an opportunity to change the tenor of what has become expected in the wrld of politics. >> is his win signaling anything about 2016? also, his shooting