record "outfront." breaking news coverage continues now with a krr"ac 360." good evening, thanks very much for joining us as we have been doing throughout the night, we begin this hour with breaking news and a terrifying thought, that isis succeeded in taking down a commercial airliner with a bomb. it is not a certainty at this hour but a growing belief that a bomb destroyed metro jet 9268 and it was an inside job done with help from someone at the egyptian airport where the flight originated. now, the first inkling came this morning. it was a drum beat as british and american sources began talking about what they know, how they know it and why the threat may be on going. we learned shortly before air time about security measures that british authorities are taking. tonight the latest evidence, reaction in washington, london, st. petersburg, russia where the airbus was heading with 234 people on board, including 25 children. we'll take a closer look at

security in egypt at the airport in sham el sheikh and here at home. we have correspondents everywhere, barbara starr, phil black, and in sham el sheikh, erin mclaughlin. barbara, what have you learned? >> reporter: good evening, anderson. it was midday when u.s. officials began talking about this. a u.s. official telling cnn and i want to quote directly, quote, there is a definite feeling it was an explosive device planted in luggage of somewhere on the plane. they have had this feeling all week. they are beginning to assemble the intelligence, not a certainty but growing indications this is where their thinking is heading. they had been watching militant activity growing there. the feeling they have now is that it is isis or an isis

affiliate most likely behind it if it proves to be a bomb and this will change the world's calculations about what isis is capable of doing. >> so how are u.s. arauthorities saying they got to information and did they have intelligence about a specific threat prior to the crash? >> reporter: u.s. officials are telling cnn no, they didn't have a specific credible timely information about a threat before the crash, before this incident but in watching this militant activity grow, it caught their attention and after the crash, the incident, they went back, looked at it and began to develop more intelligence, more information and been monitoring isis chatter so to speak. we don't know if that cell phone conversation, online postings, isis well-known for using very secure chat rooms. the u.s. monitors isis communications secretly covertly

as much as it can and it does appear that isis chatter about this, a claim of responsibility not a public claim, but some other sort of more covert claim in their chatter is at least a key part of what captured the u.s. attention. >> okay. so this idea that someone at the airport, to use the exact words i think you used was involved, what does that actually mean? someone who services the plane, who has access to the plane, not through the passenger screening? >> right, well that's what we don't know. u.s. official tells me, you know, without offering a lot of intelligence detail, they believe it was essentially a conventional explosive, not plastic explosives, not something that could be so advanced it sneaks past airport detection because there is no metal in it. they think it was fairly conventional, either snuck on board in passenger luggage or by someone, as you say, service personnel who may have had contact with the aircraft, all eyes focused on that airport,

anderson. >> barbara starr, appreciate it. want to get the latest from london where flights to and from sham el sheikh have been canceled and a meeting of the government's emergency security committee and additionally, we learned a security delegation sent by london just arrived in sham el sheikh. phil black joins us more from there. the news this morning that the prime minister saying a bomb may have brought down the plane, is there any sense what may have led him to come out publicly and say that, what kind of intelligence the british may have. >> reporter: anderson, they are not discussing intelligence in any detail. they are not discussing that publicly but that information has been reviewed through meetings with the prime men ster and senior members of the government and say some of it is recent and has strengthened concerns. they are saying there is a significant possibility that there was a bomb aboard that aircraft. they are not talking about details, they make the point to discuss this so openly, discuss

their concerns so openly, something they wouldn't do lightly unless they had real reason for doing so. >> its interesting the information was not announced by egyptians, it was british and u.s. sources saying this. >> yeah, that's right. egyptians aren't happy. they say it is premature for the british government to be discussing it in this way because they say the official investigation led by egyptians hasn't concluded. the response to the british government, the egyptians haven't seen intelligence that we have available to us. you can get this is going to be talked about tomorrow at the highest level because the egyptian president is coming here to downing street to meet with prime minister david cameron for a meeting already scheduled to take place. >> we talk about the british delegation that inspected sham el sheikh airport. do we know more details on that? >> reporter: according to the british government, they have gone there, reported back. their assessment is security has been stepped up but in the words of the government here, there is still more work to do.

the government having made the extraordinary step of sending in their own advisors to an airport in another country are saying that country isn't quite up to the job just yet but they will work together closely so that hopefully those flights between britain and sham el sheikh can resume and british tourist can start returning home, but that's going to take a few days, anderson. >> joining us now, cnn richard quest and editor of the daily beast and co-author of isis and anthony may, retired explosives enforcement officer at the atf. richard, the fact that the u.k. came out publicly on this, does that surprise you? >> no, because they obviously had the intelligence from their own independent sources that the egyptians didn't have. the egyptians are going through an air accident investigation. they are looking the wreckage and bodies. we're not hearing much from the

egyptians. if we thought things were bad with malaysia, we haven't had press conferences. we haven't had news briefings. we haven't had updates pretty much, we've had lots of leaks and comments but nobody -- i think what is really happening behind the scenes is you've got equipment who is officially running the investigation. you've got the french who are probably doing a lot of the technical work and you've got the russians there watching over it to make sure that they get their side in, too. >> also, you have to look at what the damage this would do to equipment and to the tourism trade there and i mean, that tourism trade has been battered over the years, not only by direct attacks by groups against tourists but the over throw of mubarak. >> and crucially, the success in many ways of egypt's tourism, in the mind they divorced sham el sheikh from egypt. if you look back from arab spring through the coup and various uprisings, sham el

sheikh has remained stable. >> really? >> yeah, because the tourism, you fly to sham el sheikh, not equipment, not cairo, most go to sham el sheikh direct. if suddenly, sham el sheikh actually has the cloud over it and perceived to be dangerous, you're looking at very serious trouble for the egyptian tourism indust industry. >> michael, if this was a bomb and isis, that means they have been able to do something that al qaeda has not. al qaeda has tried about four times to bring down an airliner since 9/11. >> the group that was part of the al qaeda franchise, u.s. intelligence said these guys were trying to do this. >> using sophisticated means. >> with a t-shirt bomb, chemical agent that could ignite in fabric or clothing. i think it's absolutely the case if this does turn out to be an isis attack, there was somebody on the inside and that's not surprising, anderson. you have to look who populates

the ranks. a lot come from state institutions and the iraqi government or defectors from the assad regime or military, it stands to reason someone in the egyptian transport ministry or indeed at the private commercial airliner might have weighed this in. because it's not something more sophisticated to circumvent security protocol means they had an open door. >> reporting officials are looking into the theory isis built the bomb with the pressure switch to go off at a certain altitude. is that a very complex bomb to make? how difficult is it? >> absolutely not, anderson. barometric pressure switch is simple. the germans used it to sabotage aircraft at that period. you can purchase can be utilized. you can go on the internet and buy manufactured bar met trick

pressure switches. >> russian state media reports the victims' bodies they recovered showed no signs of impact but not even bomb residue has been found. that doesn't mean a bomb went off. >> whether you find bomb residue or not is not a clear definitive issue there was an explosion. for example, twa flight 800 early on in that investigation, we found trace residue of military grade explosives and as it turned out later on in that investigation, that aircraft was used to carry troops back and forth from the first desert storm conflict. so finding residue is not a definitive effect, depending on you got to know the nature of the aircraft, who it hauled and given the region of the world it is operating in, trace contamination is quite possible. so it's not definitive, although

you can't rule it out. >> richard, i understand you spoke to the egyptian foreign minister or tourism. >> tourism minister. >> what did he say about the airport in sham el sheikh. >> he said it confromed ormed t international regulations. he said they constantly reviewed security and he said he had no reason to believe that there had been a breach. >> either, a, that's true, which is very worrying if it did conform to all international things and a bomb got through or not true and worry never theless. >> both at the same time because if this does, let's just put an if there just in case. if this does prove to be a bomb, then all the planning, all the procedures, all the regulations mean for nothing. >> all the inconvenience that all of us go through every time taking off our shoes and taking out liquids. if there is a backdoor on to

airplanes that somebody with a grudge or a gripe can access a plane and we've done reporting on this in the united states. we've seen cases in the united states. >> look in russia, there have been multiple instances in 2004 two separate planes were brought down by black widows, female suicide bombers and the reason that these women were able to get on board with explosive devices is they bribed their way through. boarder agents took money and let them on. >> michael, good to have you on. anthony, appreciate it. the surprising reaction to all of this in russia tonight. we'll talk to nick robertson and a closer look at airport vulnerability. if you fly, you need to know this. the frankly stunning developments in the death of a police officer hailed at the time as a slain hero, a model police officer, pillar of the community. now reaction to evidence he actually was none of those things.

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given the breaking news, the growing possibility a jet brought down the plane and isis planted it at the sham el-sheikh airport, the question is what's the reaction tonight in russia one of many questions this is after all russia's single deadliest plane crash. russia does after all have attacks by mostly local islam make terrorists and russia significantly beefed up its presence in syria. nick robertson is in st. pet petersburg for us tonight. what's the latest there, nick? >> reporter: well, what's interesting is president putin hasn't taken the lead on this

story all along. we've spoken to the foreign ministry spokesperson to find out her reaction to latest statements about the likelihood, possibility of a bomb being on board the aircraft. she says look, the egyptians are leading the investigation, you have to go to them. we can't say, you know, we have to leave it to them to get on with the investigation but perhaps, most significantly here, you have the main aviation body here that says it is essentially illegal for russia to make a statement about the state of the investigation, why? because equipmegypt is responsie plane went down and egypt would have to give the russian authority to speak and reveal analysis they are getting on the ground at the moment. russia is giving it self-wiggle room and a cav yaceat to say hee can't talk about it. the silence and refusal so far to knock it down, knock this

whole thing down is very telling, anderson. >> it was interesting, the fact that it was, you know, the british prime minister talked about this publicly and this didn't come publicly from equipment, even though they are allegedly the ones leading this investigation into the crash. >> reporter: sure, i mean, the fact that david cameron's office said this while president cc is in london, this would normally be a huge political embarrassme embarrassment. you get the impression that the russians are saying hey, every to you equipment and get and egypt isn't getting ahead and putting out what others are now beginning to see. i think our understanding here from the people we talked to in russia is that if the united states, if britain knows this,

russia knows this. equipme egy egypt, the expectation is they really need to move on this, quite how that happens isn't clear. david cameron is clearly trying what he can. >> nic robertson, appreciate it. miles o'bryan and former ntsb member john. john, if this indeed was a bomb, does this mean a total reassessment of airport security globally? >> of course it will. we'll look at our issues and there was just a report out in the last few days of problems with our own assessments at airports. so it's going to cause a total review in the united states and around the world and indeed it should. >> miles, have you worried about this before? we've done reporting about

vulnerabilities on u.s. airports and not where the passengers go through but there are problems there as we see through tsa inspections. on the back end, people with access to the aircraft. >> this is the real achilles heel at airports all over the world and in the u.s. and we've seen all kinds of warning signs about this. about a year ago you may recall, anderson, there was a gun running scheme involving baggage handlers. they were putting loaded guns on airplanes and moving them around the country. there are all kinds of warning signs that this is wide open, meanwhile, we go through security theater dumping out water bottles to get on the airport. we need to deal with this problem. >> it is incredible, david, that all the attention, all the billions that have been spent on airport security and it does seem like there is this gaping hole. >> well, there is a gaping hole, anderson, and if historically

security is reactive, not proactive so if you -- for example, somebody tries to blow up a shoe. what happens within weeks we're taking our shoes off at the airport. it is constantly reactive and like miles was saying, it needs to be more proactive. we need to look forward at things, not just reactive and that's this case. equipment is taking their part in just waiting to be reactive. i think that the prime minister making the move to do what he did is a proactive move and something needs to be done whether it's proven yet or not it was a bomb, he's being proactive about it and that's something that's rarely done in a security area in the aviation. >> john, i mean, the question of what kind of bomb this was, the size, one thing i've been hearing a lot, it doesn't have to be a huge bomb at that kind of altitude which makes this all the more frightening. >> that's right. it doesn't have to be a large device. all you really want to do is break the structure of the

airplane and the air loads on the airplane in flight will tear it up and i would guess from the wreckage that the bomb was in the tail section of the airplane and most likely in the belly because we see the crown of the airplane, the upper piece where the fracture occurred still in tact. so it was most likely it was in the belly forward out rear entrance doors and stressed the fuselage there and disintegrated. >> john, you're saying once there is a hole or explosion, one part of the aircraft, because the entire aircraft is supposed to bear the load overall of the pressures, once there is one opening, the rest of the airplane essentially breaks apart? >> yes. so, you know, you have a tremendous amount of load on the tail. we'll use the tail for an example. that load has to be spread out among most of the fuselage in order to absorb that energy, the force on the tail so it has to

travel around the skin because the outside of the airplane is the road way, if you will, for the stresses. it's going to travel around that skin and get disbursed in the rest of the fuselage. so if you break it someplace, you'll change the path for the loads and then it's going to put additional load on an area not designed and that's how twa came apart, by the way. >> at some airports, airlines have the option of additional security screening at the gate. u.s. airlines do that in pieces. how useful is that to augment general security and if the problem is access to non-passengers, i guess that doesn't matter, then. >> no, i agree with you, arou anders anderson. the additional layer you get randomly through the gate after you've gone through security in the first place does nothing to deal with the backdoor of the airplane where you have caterers

and airplane cleaners and mechanics coming in without any scrutiny whatsoever. the pilot who is flying your plane has to take his shoes off and do the whole routine and the back of the airplane, they are walking in. this is clear vulnerability and it's quite obvious and no one seems to want to deal with it, maybe now. >> miles appreciate it and john, david soucie, thank you so much. just ahead, a closer look at security of the airport in question. we'll go live to sham el-sheikh and ahead, just an incredible announcement, what many thought was an unsolved murder of an illinois police officer. the crime scene was staged by the officer himself who actually shot himself. ♪ just look at those two.

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inspected the airport, do we know much more about that? >> reporter: hi, anderson, well, we understand that assessment is complete. out of that assessment, british foreign secretary saying they took the decision to change travel advice to the area, passenger jets no longer flying from the united kingdom into sham el-sheikh international airport. for the british citizens currently here, well, secretary hammond said that british authorities are working with egyptian officials on additional security procedures, additional screenings would make it safe for those british citizens to fly home. he also added that egyptian officials do not have the information about the plane that british officials have. now, egyptian paper reporting that the delegation visited various security points inside the airport taking pictures including pictures of the

runway. reporting that they will compile that into a report to present to egyptian authorities. >> i mean, do we know, has there been a big change in the security profile at the airport? i mean, more importantly, sort of the back end access to aircraft by personnel there? >> reporter: i flew into sham el-sheikh international airport yesterday. i doesn't see evidence of heightened security. it's a tiny little airport thought to be in a safe and secure area, only about 160 flights in and out of the airport on any given day, and that lack of security or heightened security, rather, that i saw was in line with what we were hearing yesterday from the egyptian interior. they said they did not take the decision to increae security at the time. they said that they were also not questioning employees at the airport because they said that they had no indication that the plane came down as a result of

terrorism. we heard today from the egyptian foreign minister tell cnn they will heighten security not just at sham el-sheikh but at airports across egypt and not because of conclusions out of the investigation but to assuage people's fears. >> it's incredible if they are not interviewing personnel at the airport that have access to the aircraft. appreciate your reporting. we'll continue to check in with you. i want to bring in cnn military analyst general mark hurtlin hurtling. the idea egyptian authorities aren't interviewing and reviewing the personnel working in that airport, i would think time is kind of of the essence here. >> it certainly is, anderson. this is troubling but adds to the comments that have been made about this flight since the beginning. russians saying it was not pilot error or mechanical error making assumptions. the security not only in the airport where the passengers are but as you said, where the

baggage handlers are and transporters and cargo beds go into. those should be places to check but having been in sham el-sheikh a few years ago and talking to some individuals who have been there recently as part of the multi national obam obse mission. inside the airport you'll see a lot of armed guards like most countries, either soldiers or members of the customs and border patrol and a lot of standing around, as well. this is not a u.s. airport and it's not something where you can be assured of security throughout the facility. >> right. it seems like more window dressing than anything else. what's amazing to me, is sham el-sheikh, which is obviously such an important tourist destination, tourism is incredibly important and they had more than a decade of incidents against tourists over the years by various groups, you know, i remember there was, i think a group at a site that was

attacked years and years ago. there have been one thing after another and obviously, the revolutionary that took place, the arab spring. so the idea that they wouldn't make security at sham el-sheikh airport and throughout sham el-sheikh and other tourists spot as priority is kind of amazing to me. >> it is. and as you know, it's a club med. a lot of people go there for diving and snorkeling and a major tourist attraction. it is sinai. it is not egypt. i push back on the presumption this is isis. there are been attacks by sinai attempting to bring down the egyptian government and if you can stop the tourist trade, which this seems to have contributed to, you're going to help bring down the egyptian government. >> general hurtling, thank you. we'll look at other attempts to bring down planes and if we've learned anything from the

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down the jet, up would be a long string of close calls. more on the effort to bring down planes by randi kaye. >> reporter: december 22nd, 2001, two months of the 9/11 attacks, american airlines flight 63 with 197 passengers and crew suddenly in trouble. passenger richard reid was attempting to detonate a plastic explosive. he concealed inside his shoes. passengers pounced and the flight headed from paris to miami was safely escorted by fighter jets to boston's logan airport. reid is a british citizen who converted to islam. he was sentenced to life in prison without parole. >> richard reid is an al qaeda trained islamic extremist while on a mission engaged in acts of international terrorism that were motivated by his hate of the united states. >> reporter: nearly five years later in august of 2006, 24 men

were arrested by british authorities. charged with plotting to blow up as many as 10 flights over the atlantic simultaneously. their weapon of choice, explosive liquid smuggled on board in soda bottles. after that liquid was limited and by then, passengers were facing tighter security. shoes removed, laptops taken out, box cutters and lighters forbidden but terrorists were getting more creative. christmas day, 2009, another failed attempt using the deadly explosive petn. northwest airlines flight the 253 was going to amsterdam to detroit when a passenger tried his underwear.losives sewn into- he was sentenced to life in

prison. he was in contact with a senior al qaeda recruiter later killed in a u.s. drone strike. a year later in 2010, a suspect tries again to use petn as a bomb. on two cargo planes bound for chicago. the devices were disguised as ink cartridges. this bomb expert recreated what may have happened. the prime suspect was a saudi bomb maker believed to be a member of alibi qaeda. >> if that had been part of an airplane's fuselage. >> reporter: whoever built that bomb likely thought it would pass through an x-ray machine with the petn disguised as printer toner powder. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> want to dig deeper on this with our terrorism analyst and

bear bear. paul, i mean, we've talked a lot about groups and saw it there trying to use sophisticated methods, the ink jet cartridge. they say that's a relatively easy thing to make. >> a very conventional device, meat and potatoes. the crucial factor here may be they recruited an insider at the airport and if you can do that, that's the holy grail for terrorist groups because you can insinuate a bomb. they haven't apprehended the potential insider who may have got this bomb on to that get. >> bob, i mean, again, a bomb with the barometric pressure switch, are they easy to make? it's a worrying thing for those

of us that don't know much about explosives. >> anderson, it's very easy, this technology is old but reliable. it worked on several attacks in the '70s, the bombs went off. you know, the dead nay tors can be smuggled on. that's always the hardest part with the underwear bomber from amsterdam. they were lucky that didn't go off. the detonator was absorbed as sweat and that's why it didn't detona detonate. it's the technology, i don't think we've really been able to defeat. i mean, you me, it's not just smuggling an employee of the airport. anybody can walk near an airplane can put something on a wing and the rest of it. but more than that are x-ray machines cannot detect a very sophisticated device with or without a barometric switch.

they can be made into sculptures and glazed over. it cancan look like anything. this is what has us scared. it's not just sham el-sheikh. our security in this country, tsa can be beaten. >> and bob, you're saying the actual detonator, the switch itself wouldn't show up in an extra or wouldn't be identifiable? >> it wouldn't be identifiable. you can hide it, they are very small and you can hide it in an iphone and hide a plastic detonator and you can x-ray and people can get guns on airplanes and they are not seen by tsa. they are doing the best they can but just the technology and airplanes are so vulnerable to a small amount of explosive, this is what really scares people. >> i mean, it is amazing, paul, we've been doing reporting, that case of baggage handlers smuggling weapons on to planes in the united states in the

atlanta airport. that was an incredible warning sign right there. >> you're absolutely right. there was also a case of an american isis fighter killed in the summer of 2014 inside syria who had been working at minneapolis st. pauls airport as a cleaner and had access to some very sensitive sights at that airport. there is also concern about the potential of insiders working for terrorist groups at airports. >> paul, appreciate you being on and bob bear. a jaw dropping revolution about a police officer hailed as a hero at his funeral. the story today is much different. this holiday season, gewhat's in the trunk? nothing. romance. 18 inch alloys. you remembered. family fun. everybody squeeze in. don't block anyone. and non-stop action. noooooooo! it's the event you don't want to miss.

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authorities in illinois dropped a bombshell. they said the murder of lieutenant gliniewicz is not a murder. he was hailed at a hero. thousands of police officers attended his funeral. today everything people thought they knew was turned on its head. >> ex this extensive investigation concluded with an overwhelming amount of evidence that gliniewicz' death was a

carefully staged suicide. >> reporter: the shocking announcement that lieutenant joe gliniewicz not only killed himself but staged an elaborate crime scene put to rest a two-month long investigation. it started with gliniewicz radioing to dispatch saying he was in pursuit of two white males and a black male. >> on scene taking the offic officer's side arm. >> reporter: then radio license and his lifeless body found. that's when hundreds local state and federal law enforcement officers scouringed the area vowing to find and bring his killer to justice. investigators say lieutenant gliniewicz' plan included planting evidence here at the crime scene to stage a homicide. commander saying there was a trail of evidence, first pepper spray, then a few feet away, a baton then eyeglasses, then a shell casing all leading investigators to believe signs of struggle. the community that mourned for

him and worried for his family, today had a simple question. why? it turns out investigators were zeroing in on gliniewicz for what they now say were criminal acts, spanning seven years. including laundering thousands from the fox state police explorer, a mentor ship program for teens and using it for travel, adult websites, mortgage expenses among other things. >> gliniewicz committed betrayal. >> reporter: the paper trail and x tense sieve and coverup. gliniewicz deleted thousands of messages like this one from back in june. quote the 1600 undocumented, it was cash from boot camp so there is no check trail to follow. >> our investigation strongly indicates criminal activity on the part of at least two other individuals. >> reporter: investigators won't reveal who those individuals are. in an interview with the program

crime watch daily last month, glin west widow strongly denied her husband could have taken his own life. >> i whole heartily believe he was murdered. >> reporter: and to say otherwise? >> disrespectful, hurtful, irresponsible. >> reporter: she's not the on one in disbelief. some in this community still hail him a hero. >> you can look at his face and you know that he was an honest man, he was clean. >> apparently not. rosa, the gliniewicz family, i know they received financial assistance from certain groups after his death. some of those groups are asking for their money back. >> reporter: anderson, there was an outpouring of support emotionally and financially after lieutenant gliniewicz died and cnn learned one of the organizations that gave the widow $15,000 is asking for their money back. as for the family, we reached out and from their family attorney we've heard that the

family is asking for privacy. >> all right. rosa flores, appreciate it. thanks very much. this is the kind of plot twist usually seen in movies. it's fair to say the community of fox lake did not see this coming. what about lieutenant gliniewicz' brothers and sisters in blue? i spoke to the commander of the lake county major task force. chief, when did you first suspect something was off about this case? >> well, approximately two weeks ago we started receiving materials that we had subpoenaed and evidence we submitted to the lab through the fbi. 6500 text messages deleted we believe shortly before this staged incident. 32,000 e-mails that we pulled off of a computer, along with sophisticated ballistic testing that we had run through our regional crime lab here. once we got those text messages,

and bank records that we subpoenaed, then the story started evolving internally with these criminal activities that he was participating in. >> was there a creeping censerly on that the pieces just didn't add up? >> what we do is we don't take anything off the table. we examine every possibility, every scenario. up until we started looking at the ballistics and running those sophisticated tests combined with the bank records and text messages and an analysis of the crime scene with the assistance of the behavioral analysis unit unit, we determined and were confident this was a staged suicide. >> for you personally as the chief, what is this like when you discovered the real story here? >> as a police officer, there were a number of feelings that went through my head once we

uncovered this. first there was shock. some sadness, and then just anger. the ultimate betrayal of the badge. >> you said you're still investigating two more people involved with this case. is there anything more you can say about who they are, what role they may have played? >> our portion of this case has been concluded. any other criminal activity that we generally uncover in these cases, we hand off all that information to the appropriate authorities and in this case thanks would be the lake county states attorney's office, the sheriff's office and the fbi. >> do you think, main, him saying that there were three suspects and he gave a vague general description but matched three people in the area caught on surveillance cameras who as you said had good alibis. do you think he just happened to see them when he was driving to the location and do you think he pick that location specifically?

>> that's a great question or a great series of questions. those individuals, again, from the videotape, he could have easily passed that morning in route to that location and just instantly said, these are three individuals i'm going to use in this scenario. the location that this act was committed in, he was extremely familiar with. he actually ran practice scenarios with the explorer unit at that exact location. tactical drills, crime scene staging, so he was extremely familiar with that general area. >> just an incredible turn of events and i know this has been obviously around the clock for you, chief, appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. thank you. >> you're quite welcome. incredible turn of events. up next, an update on the breaking news, u.s. intelligence suggesting an isis bomb took

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