those stranded passengers is security. they're only allowed to take on carry-on bags. no checked luggage allowed on these flights. we are on every angle of this story. we want to get straight to erin mclaughlin, live in sharm el sheikh airport. what's going on? >> reporter: john, there's outrage and confusion here at sharm el sheikh international airport. very angry british tourists arriving here, iing this they're going to get on flights to go home and only to be turned away. they confronted the british ambassador inside the airport, accusing the egyptian government and the british government of some sort of tit for tat exchange that they say they think they're caught in the middle of. the british ambassador, though, dispelling those rumors, saying that flights have been delayed due to british authorities demands for a security package, they say, has taken some time to

get implemented in this airport, saying that flights have not been canceled, simply delayed. this after we heard from easy jet, easy jet putting out a statement saying that egyptian authorities suspended all flights. the ambassador saying that's simply not true. easy jet had ten planned flights out of the airport today. they say that those flights no longer operating. >> no checked luggage, aeerin, which has to be an credible inconvenience for the tourists who arrive in sharm el sheikh with who knows what kood of luggage. there has some be some concern that perhaps something was placed in the baggage, lug gage container for that russian jet. >> yes, that is the concern. british authorities say they are very concerned about the cargo area, the luggage area of the aircraft, what part of the

security process they're specifically concerned about is unclear, whether they're concerned about someone having access to the cargo holes of planes here or the baggage screening process itself. but what we do know is that they are asking passengers to leave any luggage that would be too big to carry on the plane behind. they say that their luggage will be returned to them on a separate flight at an unknown date. john? >> erin mclaughlin, sharm el sheikh, thanks so much. president obama on record saying there's a possibility a bomb was indeed on board the doomed russian passenger jet. he's vowing u.s. investigators and intelligence officials will closely monitor those developments. cnn white house correspondent michelle kosinski live with the very latest. >> reporter: this is interesting. we've heard from the british prime minister saying it is more likely than not that a bomb brought this plane down. we heard from our own secretary of defense saying that is consistent with u.s. intelligence but the white house really hasn't wanted to go that far. they've essentially said there's

no evidence to rule that out. now the president himself in a raudio interview is directly addressing that possibility. listen. >> i think there is a possibility that there was a bomb on board. and we're taking that very seriously. we know that the procedures we have here another united states are different than some of the procedures that existed for outbound and inbound flights there. but it is certainly possible that there was a bomb on board. >> so what is the u.s. doing about it? the white house says it hasn't been invited to join the investigation by egypt but it is using all available resources to try to figure out what happened because of the obvious implications for american safety. right new, officials around the world are looking at particular airports to see if security does need to improve when flights are going to be heading the to u.s. john? >> want to bring in cnn

contributor michael weiss, co-author of "isis:inside terror." if we can, phil, i want to play the sounded from president obama last night saying it could have been a bomb. >> yes. >> because this is the type of thing that i don't know that i've ever heard from a president before. let's listen. >> i think there is a possibility that there was a bomb on board. and we're taking that very seriously. we're going to spend a lot of time just making sure that our own investigators, our own intelligence community figures out exactly what's going on before we make any definitive pronouncements. >> he's saying no definitive pronouncement. he's saying possibly, nevertheless, you have the president of the united states musing about the possibility of a bomb on an aircraft. it's hard for me to imagine he would be doing so unless he had pretty good reason to wonder. >> pretty good reason but not perfect reason. let's be clear. enintelligence is not evidence. for example, in this case you

might get a circumstance where a couple of isis guys in the sinai are talking and one of them says didn't you see what we just did, isn't that remarkable? to my mind that's a long way from saying isis is responsible for this event. i've seen circumstances where senior terrorists will tell junior guys, did you see what we just did, just to make sure the investigation was still active. >> if you were the cia working this investigation, and the president said there might have been a bomb. >> you put the president of the united states out there in 2002, 2003 to say iraq has weapons of mass destruction. it turns out based on intelligence that wasn't true. the intelligence guys once burned, twice shy are looking at this saying, we want to be cautious before, for example, we figure out whether the tapes from the plane show anything. we want to be cautious about taking vague intelligence and

saying that's equivalent to evidence. >> the egyptians are saying, not so fast. we want the investigation to play out. i'm not saying there is the evidence necessarily that there was a terrorist bomb but why wouldn't the egyptian officials want it to be an isis bomb? is there a reason they would hesitate to say it is so? >> oh, sure. their whole economy revolves around tourism. imagine if you will, all of a sudden isis is able to take down a commercial airliner in one of the main tourist attractions of egypt, the peninsula. that would essentially bring all tourism to a halt. they've been fighting this insurgency for a long time. look at what sinai did just last july, managing to strike 15 security chokepoints simultaneously. we tend to look at these so-kuehled affiliates of isis, the one in libya, yemen, egypt, as kind of the farm teams but actually this one is fight good at giving the government a run

for its money. they assassinated the general prosecutor of egypt. and they're mostly con find. this is the thing. when they pledged allegiance to isis, it was a prior terror organization that pulled into al qaeda. broke away, pledged allegiance to isis. they became instead of a national franchise, a more regional one, you know, sort of focused in the peninsula itself. they have fairly good operational capability. the israelis are absolutely all over this as well. >> you brought up the israelis. a lot of people have been wondering about this. phil, i've asked you. you worked with israeli intelligence. people suggest they must know what's going on. you would think israel has a good sense of what's going on in sinai. >> a good sense but not perfect. you can have an organization, for example, of fighting this egyptian government. the slither is focused on planning to take down an aircraft and is typically very small. you can't think of about why didn't you penetrate this organization? the question is much more

narrow. did you know the three, four, five, six people who were involved in the vision and execution of a terror strike. >> that's a fair point. michael, you talked about isis in this region, this isis affiliate that's been operating in sinai for some time. two things. one, do they have the capability, have they shown it before to put a bomb on a plane that could explode at altitude and, two, how hard would it be to infiltrate the airport? there is the suggestion that it was an inside job. >> taking number two first. that would be a stunning debut for them, if they've managed to bribe some corrupt government official or more alarmingly, if somebody on the inside of the egyptian government with security services was ideological loyal or sympathetic to isis. this has happened before. when chechen jihadis take down russian airliners, the so-called black widow phenomenon of female suicide bombers, they bribe their way, some corrupt custom agent takes $200 and lets a

woman with a hexog exn vest on a plane and all of a sudden they take out the plane. you don't need the kind of explosive device that can circumvent security. you could have a pressure cooker bomb or something rudimentary that you can make in your own backyard. al qaeda, their encouragement of the lone wolf, the most famous article was how to make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom. you don't need operational training for this. >> what's the next thing we're going to learn here? >> we have to learn what happened at the site, we have to learn names. the visionary, who decided the organization had to do this? who was the operator who planned the operation, who built the bomb and what was the network inside the airport that got this done. this is a people business. who did it? >> phil mudd, michael weiss, thank you so much.

a new cnn/orc poll released just minutes ago shows donald trump and ben carson running neck and neck in iowa. trump april 25%, carson at 23%. meanwhile, the stage is set for next week's republican debate with some notable changes in the lineup. cnn's sara murray is live in our washington bureau. what's been changed, sara? >> there are going to be some changes but first i want to take another quick look at that poll. it is clear there are two tiers of candidates emerging. trump and carson, almost tied, 25%, 23%. a big jump for carson since august. but you also see rubio and cruz, they're in the teens and then it's just everybody else. so a big division there and when we look ahead to this fox business debate, it will be a slightly smaller stage. there are going to be eight candidates. chris christie and mike huckabee are missing the cut for the big kid's table. they'll be in the so-called

undercard debate. lindsey graham isn't going to be on the debate stage at all, neither is george pataki. it's going to be less quippy. if you look back at the iowa polls, you get a sense of where trump is getting his support when you dive in on some of the issue kuos. if you look at how trump does on the economy, it's overwhelming the number of republicans who think that he is the one who's best able to handle that. 49% of republicans in iowa said he would be best on the economy. completely blowing away the rest of the field. now, if you dig into carson's support, you want to take a look at how he's doing on the social issues. 27% of republicans in iowa say carson would be best on social issues. everyone else who's even close to him is trailing by more than ten points there. trump, cruz, rubio, all in the teens. you sort of see a similar phenomenon playing out when you look at values, too. when you look at whose values are closest to yours, carson is

one who leads the pack with 25% compared to 20% for trump. that's what i've heard when i've been talking to voters, too. they like carson, they like trump but they relate to carson more, closer aligned with their value. alisyn? thanks. at 7:00 a.m., gop presidential candidate ben carson will be with us live, right here on "new day." we have so many questions for him. a lot of issues to talk about. so stay tuned for that. meanwhile, hillary clinton is dominating the democratic race in iowa, a new cnn/orc poll out this morning has her leading bernie sanders by 18 points among likely democratic caucusgoers. that's changing the tone of what has mostly been a civilized campaign. let's bring in jeff zeleny, our senior washington correspondent. the tone is a changing, is it? >> good morning, michaela. it is changing at least for now. hillary clinton is holding a comfortable lead in iowa. our polls show she has an

18-point lead over bernie sanders in the state that launches that 2016 campaign just three months from now. she and sanders have climbed since august after joe biden decided not to run in the democratic field narrowed to three candidate. if you look behind these numbers, clinton has a wide gender gap. she has a strong advantage among women, twice as much as sanders. her edge among men is only four points. s there -- there's also an age gap. clinton holes an edge -- over 50, those voters are reliable in going to the polls. >> if you look at a number of the polls that come unite and admittedly, polls will have their ups and downs. when you look at bernie sanders against somebody like donald trump or against other republican candidates, more often than not, not always, but

more often than not i do better than secretary clinton does. >> so the race is on between sanders and clinton but increasingly, she's sitting back and watching this wild republican race with interest increasingly, she's interested in her own primary fight. alisyn. >> thanks, jeff. the failed white house plan to train moderate syrian rebels in the fight against isis, it cost u.s. taxpayers $384 million. this is according to "usa today." that equals about $2 million per trainee. the program yielded fewer than 200 fighters and has since been suspended. when it was implemented, the pentagon promised to graduate 3,000 trained and equipped syrian fighters this year. chicago police believe that a murdered 9-year-old boy was targeted by gangs. authorities confirm lee's father did have gang ties. the child was shot repeatedly in the back and the face, his body found in the alley where he was

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a new cnn/orc poll shows that donald trump and ben carson are neck and neck in iowa. trump is a little bit ahead at 25%, carson at 23%. this as carson goes on the attack against cnn. and a cnn investigation that called into question some claims he's made repeatedly for for many, many years about his violent past. cnn national political reporter maeve reston was part of the political team that investigated carson's background. she joins us along with political reporter sara murray. maeve, let's start with yesterday.

because after your report, ben carson came out with a whole bunch of new information that we had never heard before. >> yes. i mean, one of the things that's been really puzzling and traying to retrace this aspect of his past is that he's given over the years a vague and shifting accounts of a number of violent incidents, including trying to stab a friend, hitting another friend over the head with a lock, hitting people with rocks and bricks and baseball bats. yesterday, apparently not having read our story, which everyone can look at at cnn.com, he claimed that we had only spoken to people who knew him when he was 14, right around the time he went through this religious transformation that he says that cured him of ever having any angry outbursts again. we talked to people from his past from elementary school years, juan yore high school years, high school years as well as people who lived in the neighborhood with him. none of them could recall any of

these kind of violent incidents and in fact, said that the person he's described is unrecognizable. when we started this some time ago, we went to the campaign, asked them to help connect us with people who knew dr. carson during those times as well as eyewitnesses to these attacks and the victims themselves, the campaign refused to cooperate. yesterday for the first time, dr. carson said that the names of two of the boys who were attacked, bob and jerry, who he refers to in his 1 990 book tha he used fictitious names. there's no indication in his book to alert the reader those are fictitious names. and there's a number of details that have changed. just in one instance on the stabbing at various -- in various books and at various times he's said this boy, bob, in the stabbing incident was at one upon a friend, another point a classmate, now he's saying is

a close relative. we'll have those questions to ask dr. carson later this morning when he's on with us. >> maeve, as you know, dr. carson called this a cnn smear campaign. he doesn't see the merit in going back and trying to sort of rehash these decades old stories. he was on fox last night and he went farther. let's listen to that. >> this is simply an attempt to smear and deflect the argument to something else. the person that i tried to stab, you know, i talked to today. said would they want to be revealed? they were not anxious to be revealed. and it was a close relative of mine. this is something that i've decided to do. none of those people decided they wanted to do this. and the media is ruthless. so, you know, i would say to the people of america, do you think i'm a pathological liar like cnn

does? >> so maeve, what's your response to that? what's your response to why you thought it was important to go back and try to find some of these people. >> first of all, it's ridiculous to say cnn has called dr. carson a pathological liar. we in our story made it clear that while many of these people had no recollection of these violent incidents, they said at the same time that, you know, some of them said they still believed him. others were skeptical that these things ever happened. but this is part of the vetting process of, you know, a presidential candidate. this isn't little league. this is like the big leagues. you need to look at a person's temperament, whether they're able to handle the rigors and the stresses of the oval office and looking into ince dernt in could have amounted to attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon is part of the vetting the americans should expect we

would do of any presidential candidate. >> it would be malpractice not to. we go back and vet all candidates, we go back and try to vet candidates who have key relationships over their lives. this is a key part of the ben carson narrative. there's a movie about it, he reiterated it in a book in 2012 "one nation." as you point out, he said the person he tried to stabs with a classmate. today for the very first time, as far as we know, he told fox news it was a close relative. maybe it's both. maybe it's both, a close relative and classmate. these are the things we're learning only for the first time right now. sara murray, donald trump not one to miss an opportunity to talk about anything about his owe points. he put something out on twitter last night. he tweeted the carson story is a total fabrication or if true, even worse, trying to hit mother over the head with a hammer or stabbing friend. donald trump not letting this slip by, sara. >> it is amazing that we have a presidential candidate who's

trying to convince america that he was violent in his past and that's a selling point. the truth is, that has been sort of a corner stone of ben carson's biography. it's the kind of thing that's helped him in a place like iowa, white evangelicals love a story of how finding jesus has made him a better person. it's puzzling that he would tell these stories and not be willing to offer any evidence or anyone who was around these events. i realize some of these people might not want to come forward. because there were multiple instances, you would think the campaign, the candidate, would realize this is part of the vetting process. if you are going to use this as a selling point, you should put up proof or someone who can verify the things you're saying. that's part of running for president. >> go ahead, maeve. >> i want to point out the other incidents he's talked about, you know, hitting people with rocks, bricks, baseball bats, carson,

for his early childhood years and where he lived from eighth grade through high school lived in a very close-knit neighborhood. we went out and talked to people in that neighborhood. they talked about how the parents would discipline other children in the neighborhood. everyone knew what was going on. the idea that it's so hard to find anyone who can recall these incidents is very puzzling. >> maeve, you know, dr. carson, one of the objections to our reporting he said they only talked to nine people. those people didn't know me well. they weren't there. so how could they ever possibly have known about these violent incidents? are you confident that you followed every thread and that you talked to as many people as possible to get a full picture? >> well, we're continuing to talk to more people. you know, we called dozens of people, dozens of classmates that we talked to ten of them on the record. but, you know, we talked to many people who knew him during this

period of his life, again, as i said, from early childhood all the way through high school. we didn't leave any, you know, periods uncovered. you know, according to the time line of violence that he's talked about. and so you know, it is possible that no one knew about these incidents, they were all behind closed doors. but i think that, you know, that's something that bears further investigation. we're still looking for the victim of the attempted stabbing. we've renewed our request to the campaign to get us in touch with that person and the person in the lock incident. we would love to talk to them and hear their recollections of those stories. >> ben carson says outright he talked to the stabbing person yesterday. doesn't want to come forward. be curious to hear what he says about that in a little bit. maeve reston, sara murray, thank you so much. at 7:00 a.m. we'll be talking about ben carson about all this, these new questions. that's 7:00 a.m. live on cnn.

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confusion at egypt's sharm el sheikh airport following word that some of the flights men to the rescue british passengers would not be arriving as planned. however, the british ambassador says no flights have been canceled. the first flights should be leaving soon. there is word that one flight has already departed. thousands of tourists have been stranded in egypt since metrojet flight 9268 crashed. another major issue, security. they're only being allowed to take carry-on bags aboard the plane. no checked luggage allowed. donald trump and ben carson neck and neck in iowa. trump at 25%, carson at 23%.

marco rubio third at 13%, two points ahead of ben cruz. we'll be speaking with dr. ben carson, 7:00 a.m. here on "new day." hillary clinton at 55% in iowa. 18 points ahead of bernie sanders. new details in the death of joe gliniewicz. investigators say he hired a hitman -- he tried to hired a hitman. >> reporter: lieutenant gliniewicz widow and his son are being investigated by authorities for possible connection to embezzlement of thousands of dollars. remember those deleted text messages that authorities released? well, sources confirming to cnn that individual one is the widow

and that individual two is the son. and that they were heavily involved in that embezzlement. perhaps the most shocking revelation is what john just mentioned, that authorities believe that there was a possible hit on a village administrator. take a look at your screen. we have the text message that gave authorities the clue about this possible hit. i'm going to read it to you here. it says, quote, close to entertaining a meeting with the mutual acquaintance of ours with the word white in their nickname. authorities telling me that the word white was their clue that that was the name of a high-ranking gang member that could possibly be killing the village administrator. all of this according to authorities. imagine the shock by this village administrator. she was stunned, scared and, 000, one more thing. authorities telling us they found cocaine inside lieutenant gliniewicz desk after his death. they tell us they don't know where it came from or what it was for.

>> this story has taken so many twists and turns. thank you for bringing us up to date on the latest. a terminally ill "star wars" fan from texas got his dying wish, a personal, private viewing of the not yet released "the force awakens." the latest in the "star wars" ep epics. 32-year-old daniel fleetwood serves from a rare connective tissue cancer. he doesn't have long to live. two of the new films actors and producers got word of a twitter campaign that's been circulating using the #force for daniel and they arranged for a private screening at daniel's home. >> i think that's wonderful. i love when decency finds a way to break into everyday laugh. >> sheer humanity, love for one another. >> decency breaking through on twitter. that's news worthy. >> the force is strong with all of them. >> president george h.w. bush slamming donald rumsfeld and

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a new biography of george h.w. bush shedding new light on his true feelings about his son's presidency. it includes harsh assessments and harsh words for vice president dick cheney and secretary of defense donald rumsfeld, not to mention biting musings on all sorts of public figures. the book is called "destiny and power" the american odyssey of george w.h. bush. every new detail that comes out this about book is more and more intriguing. >> i read the book twice. it is great. it really is. it's bush 41 like you've never seen him before. jon meacham was given exclusive access to bush senior's never before released diaries. these are taped diaries that

bush recorded his whole life right through the oval office on board air force one and meacham got insight on everything from what bush thought of the clintons, to his own sons' two terms in office. >> i accept your nomination for president. >> reporter: this is george herbert walker bush unleashed, sharing his most private thoughts on everything from his time in office to his family. >> this administration is not going to rest. >> reporter: to his son's presidency. >> he handed over four years of diaries in the white house with no strings attached. >> reporter: he said to you? >> call 'em like you see 'em. you're going to sort it out. >> reporter: among the many revelations, bush 41 is bluntably critical of the men who served his son in the white house. he calls vice president dick cheney iron ass and former secretary of defense donald

rumsfeld an arrogant fellow. but perhaps the biggest surprise, bush is critical of his own son for his hot rhetoric. >> we've never heard him criticize his son before as president. >> right. >> reporter: why do you think he went public now? >> i think that with the distance of history, he believes so strongly in the fact that force and diplomacy have to be complimentary, not competitive. that i think he wanted to put on the record that he doesn't think presidents accomplish very much by swaggering. they should be strong but they don't need to be needlessly provocative. >> is this a father worried about his son's policy being criticized, not being right? is there -- is there a father/son thing here? >> there's always a father/son thing here. of course. i mean, how could there not be?

>> was george w. bush at all defensive about the criticism from his father? >> he was surprised by it. i think is safe to say. he said dad never said any of this to me either during the presidency or after. he said, he would never have said, hey, you've got to reign in cheney. he's ruining your administration. and any way, i disagree with him, these were my policies. he knew that his father's style was such that he would never say these things directly to him. which is in and of itself fascinate. >> reporter: and other insights include blunt assessment of bill clinton as a draft dodger and liar. and meacham writes the bushes were, quote, horrified by the monica lewinsky scandal. but later, bush acknowledges that he couldn't help but like the guy. you think it's a genuine friendship? >> for george h.w. bush, i think it is. >> reporter: for bill clinton? >> you never know, do you.

>> reporter: that said, the bushes don't seem to have the same warm feelings toward hillary clinton. calling her, quote, militant and pro liberal. why do you think they let you go public while they were still there? she may be blunt but they're old school. >> they are old school but they're also old school in this sense. which is that history will sort it out. i think they're fearless about history. >> reporter: just one example, this is an excerpt from bush's diary which he dictated on air force one in the leadup to the persian gulf war. it is the first time we're hearing it. >> it's been probably the most hectic 48 hours since i have been president and for terms of serious national security intere interest. i've been on the phone incessantly. >> reporter: another disclosure, what the family says about political competition between george w. and brother jeb.

there is a narrative around jeb that he was supposed to be the one to follow in his father's footsteps. and both he and his father said, on the record, not true. >> george h.w. bush said all that talk that jebs watt one that be that's [ bleep ]. >> reporter: the diaries reveal none other than donald trump played an earlier, unusual role in bush political life. in 1988 trump apparently volunteered to be bush's vice president. >> reporter: and what did george bush think of this? >> strange. unbelievable. i think is the quote. but it does show you that donald trump has been eyeing that real estate for a long time. >> reporter: for the record, george w. bush had this to say about cheney and rumsfeld. he said he is proud and grateful for their service. cheney told jon meacham he smiled when he saw it and said,

fascinating. and he said he never did anything he felt that bush didn't want. and this response from donald rumsfeld, quote, bush 41 is getting up in years and misjudges bush 43, who i found made his own decisions. there are hundreds of memos on rumsfeld.com that represent advice d.o.d. gave the president. >> it's almost as though the way george senior talks about both of those men and their response cements about how he feels about them. very interesting. >> bush 41 says cheney is a good man. he was his own secretary of defense and i think they had a long, good history, no matter what he says. donald rumsfeld, as my teenagers would say, not so much. there is a long -- there's long, bad blood. >> 40 years of bad blood between the two of them. >> a lot of competition. who would become president.

>> so many people asked in the last 24 hours, why is this coming out now? poor jeb to have this book be dumped in the middle of a campaign when he's trying to be president. >> it was absolutely accidental. the decision to do this book was made years ago. the publication date was made before jeb even decided to announce. >> they're so careful about everything. >> this is not -- this was not in the bush's control. this was jon meacham. it had nothing to do with the family. and remember, everyone thought for a long time jeb was going to be the leader. so it's not as if jeb's down. >> just fascinating to hear all of these behind the scenes stuff. thanks so much. great to see you. >> meanwhile, this weekend, donald trump is gearing up for a little "snl" tomorrow night. it's likely going to be a ratings hit. there's a lot more than just ratings at stake for both trump and nbc. we're going to discuss it all ahead.

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feel lighter and more energized. ultimate flora. more power to your gut. donald trump hosting "saturday night live" is likely to be a ratings bonanza. there's a lot at stake i'd say for both the candidate and nbc, the network, facing a bitter backlash from several hispanic advocacy groups. warn to the discuss it all with cnn contributor and author of the war for late night, mr. bill carter who was up late last night watching late-night tv and maria cardona. we have to get your perspective on this. you work with latino leaders and advocacy groups. they've been vocal, there have been demonstrations calling for him to not be on "snl" this weekend. when asked about it, he said i

think they should demonstrate, the ratings will go even heighter. huge is the word he used. what's your take on it? >> latino leaders are upset about this. they see a network and a program that is sanctioning bigotry, racism and hate speech. and what is so curious about this, michaela, back in june, nbc actually slashed ties with donald trump after he announced his candidacy and after he uttered those misguided words about hatred towards mexican immigrants, calling them rapists, calling them criminals. nbc putting out a statement saying what donald trump said does not comport with the principles and values of nbc. what happened in five months? clearly they saw he is, he continues to be a ratings juggernaut, he's at the top of the polls. for ratings expediency, their values and principles go out the window. >> bill, is that how you see it?

what is loren michaels' calculus here, keeping trump on despite the protests? >> they have to deal with it. i don't want to prejudge and said they shouldn't put him on because of what he said in the past. he's a leading candidate. he's in the news. he's a factor. that's what they like to do. it's legitimate to put him on. the show has to confront this in some way. there has to be a sketch or something that's done that shows they acknowledge this is going on. there's a potential protest for someone going to shout in the audience. someone is putting up a bounty for this to happen. >> let's explain that. there's a group that's offered a $5,000 bounty for anyone willing to disrupt the programming, the taping of "snl." there's an ad to show you what dump trump is about. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're not sending you.

they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> so to that end, that is something that they're going to have to logistically deal with that. >> obviously. >> at nbc headquarters where they tape the show. >> you don't can't question somebody, what are your intentions? . that will be interesting to see if that occurs in the middle of the show. all this makes this must-see television. this is what trump will be able to boast about. he will bring ratings to the show. >> ratings and trump will win on that. i remember andrew dice clay. >> of course. >> he hosted "saturday night live" and some of the women on the cast refused -- >> to be on the show. yes. >> to go on. >> interestingly, the other problem is, there are no latino cast members on the show. >> i was going to mention that. >> that's a big factor. there haven't been many in the entire history of the show. you might see interesting cameos. they have to do something. remember when we didn't have

black women on the show, they had a whole sketch with carrie washington. they wound up hiring two black regulars on the show. >> this would be a watershed moment, perhaps, maria? >> yes. if i could mention a couple other points, these latino leaders aren't doing this in a vacuum. they've asked for a meeting with loren michaels for the last two or three years to talk about the complete lack of diversity on the show. 41 seasons and only two latinos have been on, zero latinas have been on. he's refused to meet with them. the second part is, on saturday night, latinos will be watching, latino leaders will be watching to see who sponsors the show. for a community that represents more than $1.5 trillion of buying power in this economy, i think that's something that sponsors should actually listen to and take note of. >> i think that that's going to be a challenge. that's why the show has to stand up to it. they'll be judged. trump is going to be judge and the show's going to be judged.

>> how is he going to be judged? >> he has to be funny, self-deprecating and funny, not too foolish. >> they write that for him. >> delivery is key. >> timing. >> exactly. >> we know about that. >> maria, we appreciate you joining us. bill, as always, you can get in on the conversation on social media using #newdaycnn. jump on facebook and comment. we know you'll be watching. we're certainly following a whole lot of news including interview with presidential candidate ben carson. let's get right to it. donald trump and ben carson running neck and neck in iowa. >> chris christie and mike huckabee are missing the cut for the big kid's table. >> thank you. questions of marco rubio spending on a republican party charge card. ♪ if we're going to get america ♪ ♪ back on track we have to vote ben carson a matter of fact ♪ >> i threw a rock and broke someone's glasses. >> the person i tried to stab was a close relative of mine.

>> dr. ben carson joins us live. >> we cannot be certain that the russian airliner was brought down by a terrorist bomb. >> i think there is a possibility that there was a bomb. >> the intelligence pointing to the idea of an insider involved. >> the british government isn't allowing tourists to put any luggage in the cargo hold on their way home. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." chris is off today. john berman joins us this morning. we do have breaking news. a brand new cnn/orc poll out just the last hour shows a republican horse race in iowa. donald trump leads with 25%, ben carson at 23% and there's a ten-point span all the way to marco rubio and third, ted cruz in fourth. still, both of those men are also on the rise. meanwhile, there's a new lineup for the gop primetime debate next week, john. tell bus that. >> yes.

chris christie not on the stage. mike huckabee not on the prime time debate and lindsey graham and george pataki not debating at all. ben carson will join us live any minute now. let's go to cnn's sara murray in washington. let's talk about the debate first. we know the lineup, chris christie, mike huckabee, big hit for them. >> that's a big hit for them. weeks ago his campaign was telling me it is going to be important for him to wind up on the main stage in this debate. you see it's going to be chris christie and mike huckabee who move to the underground, lindsey graham, george pataki will not be on stage at all. let's put up our new iowa poll. if you run through, you can see it's two tiers of candidates, donald trump and ben carson leading the pack. in the teens, rubio, ted cruz, 13%, 11%, jeb bush, everyone

else stuck in the single digits here. ben carson is facing new questions about shifting accounts of his violent past. this has been a corner stone of his presidential campaign. it's talking about these instances when he was younger when 'tempted to stab someone, where he attempted to attack his mother with a hammer. maeve reston and scott glover of cnn went back, they spoke to his neighbors, spoke to his childhood friends, trying to corroborate these stories. they couldn't find anyone who had any knowledge of these events. now, when we wrote the story, ben carson came out yesterday, he was on fox, called it a smear campaign. he said that cnn was accusing him of being a pathological liar. cnn has not called him a liar and even his friends at that point did not say he was lying, they just said this history was unrecognizable compared to quiet, young ben carson they knew. i think we'll have a lot of additional questions. we've reached out to the campaign, maeve reston and scott have reached out to the campa n

campaign, tried to get more information about people who were victims or witnesses. so far, the campaign has not cooperated. >> thanks so much for that background. we're joined now on the phone by republican presidential candidate dr. ben carson. good morning, dr. carson. >> good morning. >> thanks so much for calling in. let's talk about the poll numbers. there are some new poll numbers that i'm sure are making you smile this morning. first, this gallup poll shows you are the most likable candidate in the race. everyone likes you. you are not just popular with republican. you're popular with all sorts of americans. you have the highest favorability rating of any candidate, higher than donald trump. you're higher than hillary clinton. you're higher than bernie sanders. we're just showing the top four there. you're higher than carly fiorina, rubio, sanders. you have a 21% -- point i should say net favorability rating there. that has to make you feel good. how do you explain why you are

resonating so much with voters across the gamut? >> i suspect it's because i'm not a politician. people don't like politicians. they like people who are straight forward and people who are like them. and you know, that's the way i'm going to continue to be. i'm never going to be a politician. and, you know, we have such serious issues to deal with in this country right now. and i'm going to continue to focus on those serious issues and not get caught up in the political, you know, garbage that is distracting. because right now, i think many people recognize that we're in the precipice of disaster. and we just can't continue with the same stuff. be it democrat or republican. >> when you see we're on the precipice evof disaster, what d you think is the biggest looming disaster? >> there are several. one of the things that very

seldom gets talked about is our financial foundation, which is very precarious right now. do you hear anybody talking about the fiscal gap? you don't hear the traditional politicians talking about that, probably because they want to get re-elected. the people have to understand what's going on in our country in order to make wise decisions. this would be a great thing, for instance, for cnn to start talking about, if you really wanted to be of service to the people. >> well, look, cnn talks about the news every day. >> but not about fiscal gap. >> we talk plenty about the fiscal gap and about the economy. but i know what you're referring to, dr. carson. let's just get it out of the way. let's talk about this investigation into your childhood and your past. it's something that many, many people are interested in because you have a fascinating childhood story. you grew up poor in detroit and you've written about it in your

autobiograp autobiography, called "gifted hands." you talk about how you overcame your pathological anger, which you describe as a disease, that's interesting to hear from your medical point of view. you have several examples of what you did in the past. punched a classmate in the forehead while holding a metal lock. his name was jerry. you almost hit your mom with a hammer over a pair of pants you didn't like. you threw a rock at a neighborhood kid, breaking his glasses, smashing his nose. you say when you were 14 you almost killed your friend bob with a camping knife. you tried to stab him in the stomach for changing the radio station. as you know, cnn has been tryinging to find people who were involved in these incidents or witnessed these. they've tried to find jerry. >> tell me what makes you think you're going to find those specific people? tell me how your methodology works. i don't understand it. you talk to people primarily who

knew me in high school who don't know anything about, for instance, the lock situation that occurred at wilson junior high school. i don't understand how talking to people who knew me, particularly after the time that i had become a much more calm person, how does that corroborate the story that i'm lying about this? i want to know what the methodology is there. >> i'm happy to explain what maeve reston has explained to us. she and another reporter went back and did talk to your elementary school friends chnchs elementary school friends. >> i believe it's all laid out on cnn.com. >> i didn't see any elementary school friends there. >> they say this is -- >> this is a bunch of lies. this is what it is, a bunch of lies, attempting, you know, to say i'm lying about my history. i think it's pathetic and basically what the media does is they try to get you distracted with all of this stuff so that

you don't talk about the things that are important. because we have so many important things. you know, i'm not proud of the fact that i had these rage episodes. but i am proud of the fact that i was able to get over them. >> look, of course. >> my message has been that you can escape from that kind of anger. >> people are resonating with that message. >> some of the victims were members of my family. i understand that. i will not let them be victimized again by the media. if you choose to believe i'm incapable of these acts, that's a compliment to me. >> people believe that it's fascinating to hear about your story of transformation, how you went from an angry young man to the soft spoken doctor, renowned surgeon we see today. what's interesting is that our reporter did go to your campaign and ask, can we talk to these people? your campaign didn't want to make them available. why can't we talk to these

people. >> why do i want to victimize these people by exposing them to you. >> we want to know more about the story. >> if it doesn't fit the narrative that you want, that's fine. let's let the american people decide. >> dr. carson, your story has changed, for instance. first you say that bob was your close friend who you almost killed. and then yesterday you said, actually his name wasn't bob. i changed the names. that's fine. people do that all the time, dr. carson in their memoirs. >> you changed names throughout all the books, even of patients because -- unless i have specific permission from them to use their names, that's an inappropriate thing to do. >> of course. people change the names in their memoirs all the time but they note that. they note that at the beginning if they say the fictitious names will be used. nevertheless, you changed it to say he was not actually a close friend but a family member. >> he was a family member.

>> okay. >> and i really don't want to expose him further. i talked to him. he would prefer to stay out of the media. and i think -- i want to respect that. what i really want to do is help people, american people, although they seem to understand it a lot already, that one of the tactics that is used by you guys in the media, particularly when someone is doing very well, is let's find a way to get them distracted and get all the people distracted so that we can get away from the real issues. i'm simply not going to allow that to occur. >> i know you call this tactics. it's called vetting in politics. you know it well. >> is that what was done with the current president? is that what you guys did with him. >> yes. as a matter of fact -- >> no, you didn't. gave me a break. >> it was also vetted. >> give me a break.

are you kidding me. >> don't you remember there was a whole question about his girlfriend and that people went back to try to find the president's girlfriend and it turned out that she may have been a composite character. that was revealed and the president had to talk about that. >> what you all did with president obama doesn't even come close -- doesn't even come close to what you guys are trying to do in my case. you're going to keep going back, trying to find, he said this 12 years ago. it is just garbage. we have too many things that are important to deal with. >> dr. carson, it speaks to, obviously it's an interesting story and it's the seminole story of your youth, which is why people are interested. mostly it is about vetting and trying to find out if candidates are fact based and if they can be trusted. >> okay. so you've done your job. okay. kudos. let's move on. >> okay, but last, does bob

exist? is bob a real person? >> that's not the real name but yes, he's a very real person. i talked to him yesterday. >> and so wouldn't it be interesting to hear his version -- or his -- how he felt during this event? >> it would be if he wanted to expose himself. and any of the other people, the person who was hit in the forehead with the lock, the person whose glasses were broken. hopefully your story has gotten out there and they can, if they want to expose themself, they perfectly are welcome to do it. i will not be the source of victimizing them. >> you don't believe we'll be able to find any of the people who witnessed or were involved in the events? >> they may come forward on their own. we'll see. >> okay. let's talk about the issues that you are likely to confront in the presidency. the ongoing wars in the middle east, for instance, what would you do about what's going on in syria?

>> first of all, recognize that syria is an extraordinarily complex place. we have the russians in there. we have the chinese there. you have multiple different factions in there. you have isis in there and they're fighting against the free syrian rebels. you know, they're fighting against the arab sunni moderates. the iraqi siri forces. they're fighting against israel. we ought to take note of the fact that they're fighting so many different factions, decide how we can work in a way that is disadvantaged to them, knowing they're fighting all of these different factions. that's the kind of strategy we need. we also need to recognize it's not just syria. we have to realize we're dealing with global jihad movement. isis is an important part of that.

and the whole idea of a caliphate is very, very important to them, particularly in terms of their recruiting efforts. >> yes. >> therefore, we need to make them look like losers and not like winners. we need to be looking at strategies for disis sellabling the caliphate that they have already established. >> right. >> which is half of iraq, a third of syria with footholds in somalia, in nigeria and tunisia. >> how would you do that, dr. karsen? how would you get around containing them? . >> well, we need to use every financial available to us, including financial resource. we need to try to strangulate them in terms of oil resources, for instance, look at all the oil outside of anbar in iraq. those areas are controlled by isis right now. we don't have to allow them to

continue to control those areas. it may require we use some of our own forces but one of the things i think is unrealistic is for us to sit there and say we need to have a coalition of the people in that area. >> why is that unrealistic? >> and that will be able to control them. that will never happen unless that coalition has a leader. you can't call for a coalition and sit on your butt and smoke a cigar. >> what about, dr. carson, the refugee crisis? wat should the u.s. be doing about the people that have had to flee their homes from syria? >> recognize, a large number have congress gra gated on the turkey/syrian border. i would start a no-fly zone there and enforce it. make sure that everybody knew it was happening so as to avoid gain accidents. that also helps to separate, you know, the forces, which is much less likely to create an

international incident. >> should the u.s. open their doors to some of these -- to more of these refugees? >> no. we already have tens of millions of people here who are suffering economically. why would we bring more, particularly bring in people who could easily be infiltrated with members of global jihad? that would be a silly thing to do. i think instead we should use some of our resources and expertise to help them get resettled in that area. the real goal would be to help to moderate what's going on in syria so they can stay in their own country. half of the population has been displaced. >> i mean, one of the reasons is because obviously there are the debate in europe about how many to take in and they desperately need shelter at the moment. and you know, i don't have to tell you, of course, that the bible says welcome the stranger.

it's matthew 24:41. we cannot say to those in feed you are not our problem. >> the bible also talks about being wise. you don't just do stupid things. that would be a stupid thing to bring in a bunch of people from an area where they would be stupid, the jihadists would be stupid if they didn't infiltrate those people with the kind of people they want to get in here to accomplish their goal. >> i want to move on and ask you about a videotape of you from last year that has just surfaced. it's been uncovered by the magazine mother jones. it's you giving a speech at the nixon presidential library in which you talk about liberals trying to take over the country. you talk about your impression of some americans. so let me play a little clip of that. >> the people are not as stupid

as they think they are. many of them are stupid but -- [ laughter ] i'm talking about overall. >> so that was obviously a punch line. who were you referring to? which americans do you think are stupid? >> the people -- particularly a lot of the people who don't realize what they're doing. for instance, those people who take the disadvantaged people in our country and they say you poor little thing. i'm going to give you everything that you possibly need. not recognizing what that is really doing is keeping those people in a dependent position. that's not helping those people. all you have to do is look at what's happened since the great society programs of lyndon johnson. we spent $19 trillion and we

have ten times more people on food stamps, more people in poverty, more broken homes, out of wedlock births, crime, incarceration. everything is not only worse, it's much worse. you have to be kind of stupid to look at that and not realize that that's a failure and to say we just didn't do enough of it. that's what i call stupid. >> so, just to be clear, people who support food stamps or medicaid -- >> i didn't say that. you're trying to put words into my mouth. >> i'm trying to clarify. >> listen to what i just told you. >> i can't believe you used to work on fox. i'm glad you brought that up. you also said something about fox news that i'd like to play from that very same speech. let's play that clip about your thoughts on fox news.

>> even if all the media has tried to shut you down quarterback which they have tried to do very much with me, but they can't because the good lord has blessed me with my syndicated column. we'd be cuba if there were not fox news. >> i have many friends at fox news who are excellent journalists. i'm not sure that even they think that without their reporting that we would be cuba. you mean that if fox news didn't exist, we would be a communist country? >> no. again, there you go with sensationalism. that's what you try to do. you hope somehow that will resonate with people who don't think for themselves. >> dr. carson, you said it. >> people are a lot smarter than they think you are and they know exactly what i'm talking about. >> dr. carson, i'm quoting -- i'm not even quoting you, i'm playing your words. you are the person who said there are a lot of people who are stupid and without fox news we would be cuba. >> are you honestly telling me

that you didn't know what i was talking about when i said that? are you honestly telling me -- if you are, you might fit in that category. >> dr. carson, i really don't know what you're talking about. fox news came to dominance in 2001. you think before 2001 the u.s. was a communist country? >> that's not what i said. but that's what you love to do. why do you do that? >> dr. carson -- >> let me explain it to you. >> please. >> what i am saying, is that the general mainstream media all seems to move in the secular progressive direction. and you know they would like to create a narrative that certain things are good and certain things are bad. according to the way that they see them. and by being able to be the bully pulpit, so to speak, and be the only voice that's out

there, you can get a lot of people to start thinking the way that you do. now, along comes fox news and presents an alternative, a different way of thinking. and if we didn't have that counterbalance, i wish we didn't need that counterbalance. because the way it's supposed to work is that the media is supposed to be neutral and they're supposed to be on the side of the people. that is the reason they are the only business that's protected by the united states constitution. but because they have become very partisan and very ideological, you need to have a counterbalance. that's what i mean having fox come in to counterbalance what you've done. others have come in and joined since that time. it's good that they have but it's unfortunate that that has to happen. >> therein lies the very question. that is when you say there are some people in america who are stupid, because of their ideology, when you are president, if you win the

presidency, you will have to be the president of everyone. you will have to be the president of liberals, conservatives, of fox news watchers, of cnn watchers and so putting people into categories because of what they believe in, in terms of social programs and saying they're stupid, how will you not be partisan? how will you bray thoing those together? >> i just explained to you who i believe the stupid people are. they're not the people you think are the stupid people. >> you said the people you thought are stupid -- >> they're much better and much smarter than you think they are. >> correct me if i'm wrong. >> that's why they're not falling for the garbage. >> the people you think are stupid are the people calling for more social programs -- >> no, no, no. >> clarify. >> listen carefully to what i said. write it down. put it in quotation marks. >> we're all ears.

>> what i said is those individuals who see many of the downtrodden in our society and put them on the head saying you poor little thing, i'm going to give you all the things that you need and not recognize that what that has done is led them, actually, into a dependent position in our society. we can't afford to be making people dependent. those people are not capable of opening their eyes and recognizes what they are doing to those people and it is not beneficial to them. we only have 330 million people in america. we have to compete against china and india who have over 1 billion people each. we need to develop all of our people. we can't afford, for instance, to have 20% of people dropping out of high school. we can't afford to have 5% of t the population and incarcerated

inmates. we can't have our educational system failing our people. we need to be looking at these things not in a partisan way but recognizing that america needs to be strong and it can only be and i would hope that at some point the people in your profession would recognize they would do a much greater service for our nation if they would be trying to find ways to solve some of these problems i'm talking about. >> dr. carson, i mean, one of the things that journalism is order to get ans and try to - solve problems, for instance, everyone is concerned about education in this country. all of the candidates say that. what makes your platform about what would would do with our schools different? >> so -- you didn't hear a word i said. you're just waiting for me to stop. >> did you clarify your education platform? >> you guys in the media, just stop for a minute and ask

yourself, am i actually doing a good thing? am i actually doing something to help to strengthen the fabric of america? ask yourselves that. or am i being used and am i being manipulated for somebody's ideological view point? >> dr. carson -- >> if you stop and ask yourselves that and stop thinking you're the know it alls, i think you'll be a service to the people. >> we ask the questions in media. >> no, you don't ask questions. don't tell me you just asked questions. >> you just challenged my industry. >> i will continue to challenge it. >> to your question, of course we have meetings every day all the time about how to best get the answers, how to best test the candidates. how to best ask the questions. we do that sort of soul searching all the time.

>> why is it then i can easily figure out which side you're always going to come down on? >> it sounds as -- >> why would that be the case if you were objective? >> it sounds as though you don't like some questions. there are some questions that you think are out of bounds, questions about your past. >> i think the questions would be fine if they're asked to everybody. i want you to ask hillary clinton the same questions you ask me. will you do that? promise you're going to do that? >> yes, of course. of course we ask hillary clinton questions about -- yes. >> everybody heard it. everybody heard it. we're waiting. >> dr. carson, of course we ask hillary clinton questions about what she wants to do with foreign policy, what she wants to do with education. about her books. of course we ask those questions and -- >> do you ask her the questions about veracity of what she's done? i want you to go back and ask her some real questions about what happen at benghazi. i want you to ask her, did her philosophy include not knowing anything about what was going on

in all the foreign territories over which she was responsible? >> dr. carson -- >> will you ask her that? will you ask her when did a time arrive in our nation when we said it's too dangerous to go and rescue our people? when in fact you had two navy s.e.a.l.s on top of that compound shooting the machine guns, allowing their colleagues to escape. but i'm sure they were saying if we can just hold out, help is on the way. but help was not on the way. ask her why help was not on the way. when did our philosophy change? what is the implication of that. please ask her those questions. i would appreciate it. >> hillary clinton has been asked a lot of questions about benghazi. are you saying you don't believe what has come out in terms of the investigation that they did their best to try to save the americans that night? >> i don't believe that she has answered the questions that i just posed. >> and you feel that the americans were left when something more could be done?

>> of course there was more that could be done. are you kidding me? do you believe there was not more that could be done? >> dr. carson, sorry, somebody was speaking to me. the united states military as you know from the investigation says that they did all they could. this isn't hillary clinton saying that. that's the united states military saying that. but, again, dr. carson, i'm asking you the questions. it sounds like you're objecting to the very questions being asked about how you feel. these are questions. >> i've already told you the answers. >> dr. carson -- >> you just haven't heard the answer you want to hear. that's all. >> well, here's a question. what makes you think that you are the best person who will bring all of these different disparate ideologies and people together? >> it's not about me and it's not about what i think. it's about the american people. and what they think. >> yes, but you're running for president because you believe you can do it better than other

people. what is it about you that you think that even though there are ideologies that are different than yours, that you will be the best person? >> interestingly enough, you say that's why i'm running for president. i'll tell you the reason i'm running for president. because i have hundreds of thousands of petitions from my fellow americans asking me to run for president. it wasn't something that i particularly wanted to do to be honest with you. but once i make the commitment to do it, i will go full force ahead to try to do it. i believe that america is an incredible nation with incredible people in it. and if we're able to work together, you know, the things we'll be able to accomplish are amazing. we have to be able to identify what those things are. we have to look at, for instance, you know, a lot of people in your business will sit there and say, republicans just want to get rid of regulations

so they can help out their buddies in business. no. the reason that regulations are so onerous is because every single federal regulation costs in terms of goods and services. who gets hit by that? the cost is the same for everybody. but when you go into the store to buy a bar of soap, and the price has gone up 10 cents, because of some new regulation that's been put in place, it hurts the poor. it hurts the middle class. it doesn't hurt the rich. when that middle class person comes up to the counter and they have a whole cart full of things all of which cost 5 cents, 10 cents or 15 cents more, it affects their ability to live comfortably. these are things that you guys ought to be talking about. you ought to make it clear to people what is really causing the problem. it's not the rich as some of the people in your media would like to have people believe. if you look at the fiscal gap of

over $200 trillion and you take all the assets of the top 1% and you apply it against that, it barely makes a den the in it. we need to be dealing with the real issues here in terms of the quality of life for americans. >> dr. carson, it is always interesting to get your perspective. we appreciate you sharing it on "new day." you said america is an amazing place with incredible people. i think everyone across the aisle can agree with that statement. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. i think ben carson would have an interesting time at journalism school talking to professors there and students. >> spare me your journalistic defense. >> something interesting, a lot of people have been making comments about his energy level. he got fired up in this interview. >> well, that -- >> he's passionate. >> that's part of what is interesting about hearing about his story of transforming from

an angry young man into who he is now because there are lots of things on the campaign trail that would make you very angry if you had an anger management problem. he's talked about how he contained it? >> all right. we'll talk more about this. a lot in that interview. ben carson talking about his past. what was real about his past, he says, talks about journalism, too. we'll dissect it all, next. ♪ prepare for challenges specific to your business by working with trusted advisors who help turn obstacles into opportunities. experience the power of being understood.

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all right. alisyn here just had a fascinating conversation with gop presidential candidate ben carson. this was a wide-ranging interview. he was none too happy with the questions being asked of him in general this morning or on this campaign. want to bring in cnn political commentator, host of "xer c "smerconish," michael smerconish and maeve reston as well. let's start with the broad. you heard the interview right there. you heard ben carson say, in general, the media doesn't ask the right questions and doesn't care about getting answers. >> the first reaction that i have is there's a very easy solution to this current factual dispute. and it is for dr. carson to make available to maeve on background, bob, the individual initially he said was a classmate and now he says is a family member. if that individual's prifcy

didn -- privacy doesn't wish to be violated. make that person available without their identity having been revealed. if he doesn't want to make that individual to cnn or maeve, make them available to fox. we all just heard his opinion relative to fox. my second reaction, this was a republican roar shot test. the 30-minute interview alisyn conducted was fascinating and probably cements his position in the iowa caucus. and for the same reason that it cements his position relative to the iowa caucus, it could provide him a death nell in the general election. i think it goes in the category of equating at fordable care act with slavery, saying if only jews had guns, the holocaust wouldn't have occurred or the pyramids were for storing grain, not tombs. these are things that seem to stoke the base but i think will play horribly with independent voters. >> michael, your point about letting maeve talk to his friends on background is a good

one in terms of journalism. he dismisses this entire story line as a smear campaign. let's play for you what he said about the bunch of lies. >> one of the tactics that is used by you guys in the media, particularly when someone is doing very well is let's find a way to get them distracted and get all the people distracted so that we can get away from the real issues. i'm simply not going to allow that to occur. >> so, maeve, basically he's saying this is just all a distraction and he's not going to subject his friends and relatives to this. >> well, once again, let's just go back to the basic point here. he has talked about incidents that could have resulted in assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder. these are things that should be vetted for any presidential candidate. it's something that he's talked about openly on the campaign

trail, giving vague and shifting accounts of what provoked these incidents. you know, what the response was from the victims. again, coming back to his methodology question, we went to the carson campaign and said, please connect us with people who he knew during these times in his life who can tell us about these incidents, who were eyewitnesses, who heard about them at the time. the campaign refused to cooperate with us. we went through yearbooks, went to detroit to talk to people who knew him at all points in his life. he continues to suggest that we only talked to people who knew him when he was a teenager. we talked to elementary school classmates, junior high school classmates who remember trading sandwiches with him at school, riding bikes like up and down the block because they weren't aloued to -- allowed to cross the street. this interview raised many more questions i have for dr. carson and his campaign.

these kids he talked about that he hit with a rock and smashed his nose and glasses, did that person receive medical attention? the lock incident, what was the name of the principal that dealt with that incident? why was there no disciplinary action taken? he says the matter was closed immediately. >> the problem is, he says all of that is a side show, whatever happened decades ago doesn't matter now and we should in the media be focused on the issues that voters care about. >> how do we know, alisyn, he's described this pathological temper, how do we know he never had a violent outburst after this moment when he was 14? this is vetting you want to know about someone that will be making serious questions about the country. >> he says no one else faced questions like this. he says barack obama never faced questions like this. barack obama wrote a book that

was vetted a lot. jake tapper talked to the kids that barack obama wrote about in the book, a lot of what you tried to do. >> remember mitt romney when he was running last time, "the new york times" did an investigation into people who knew him in high school. again, looking at mitt romney's temperament and whether he was a bully during those years. all of those things should be relevant to voters as they go forward and make the decision about who they're comfortable with in the oval office. >> michael, dr. carson said a lot of things in our interview, one of the things he said that jumps out at all of us, he doesn't particularly want to be president. he's running because so many people have asked him to be president. what do you think of that response? >> i think it just shows him try together say i'm doing this fno for myself but the good of the country. i don't watt a casual viewer to think that cnn wrote this story without any fonization, that you

went looking for trouble. this is his narrative, this is what he wrote in his book. this is the story that he tells when he's out on the campaign trail and that was even the subject of a teledrama or movie or some such thing. it's been out there. for him now to expect he can draw a cloak around his campaign and not be asked these questions, i think is really troublesome. frankly, what's running through mu mind is an interview i did with him on radio a couple weeks ago when i questioned him about the popeye's incident. he said if he were in that position he'd fight back. he shared a story about having a gun in his ribs at a popeye's. he said he directed the gunman to the more appropriate person, the cashier. where's the police record? i think these are all fair questions. if you want to run for president of the united states, you've got to be prepared to answer them.

winston churchill said nothing so tests the character of an individual as the running of an election. this is what it's all about. >> maeve, one last thing. we done have any more time left. i want to also point out, you didn't go expecting not to be able to find these people. >> no. >> you went to his neighborhood expecting to find his close friends and hear more about the stories. >> it's a great story. >> it's a great storstory. >> that's exactly right. we fully expected to talk to these people about these incidents and their recollection. >> maeve, michael, thanks so much. check out smerconish at 9:00 a.m. eastern here on cnn and weekdays on siriusxm at 9:00 a.m. eastern as well. if isis was behind the

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this morning, the british ambassador denying reports that flights men to the rescue thousands of stranded british tourists won't be arriving at egypt's sharm el sheikh airport. at least eight flights will depart today carrying passengers who have been stuck since that metrojet flight crashed. this as president obama now says there's a possibility that the metrojet crash was caused by a bomb. if it was a bomb, was it an isis bomb? joining us, nicholas burns, the u.s. undersecretary for

political affairs and former official at the state departm t department. always a pleasure to have you on "new day" to get your analysis. i want to play that sound. we know both president obama and uk prime minister cameron spoke about this bomb possibility. here's the president speaking yesterday. >> i think there is a possibility that there was a bomb on board. and we're taking that very seriously. we're going to spend a lot of time just making sure that our own investigators, our own intelligence community figures out exactly what's going on before we make any definitive pronouncements. >> meanwhile, very different reactions from the other two players, russia and egypt. specifically ambassador burns, egypt's foreign minister yesterday on cnn essentially on our air kind of downplaying the entire incident. what is your assessment of why the egyptian government is so reluctant and hesitant to agree?

>> it's an unusual situation to say the least when you have president obama and the british prime minister david cameron speculating openly and publicly that there could have been a bomb on the plane and complete silence or a pushback from both the egyptian and russian governments. it's important to remember that this was the united states had no nationals on board. this was not an american aircraft. it wasn't a british aircraft. the investigation is being led as it should be by the egyptian authorities. but egypt and russia are both authoritarian governments. they're not accustomed to being open and transparent with the their public, especially in moments like this. egypt has a major tourist industry. it's an economy that's reeling. they've had a lot of economic difficulties. they obviously don't want to see a situation develop where tourism is muted in that country, diminished in this country. i think it is important for the final results, because even president obama and prime minister cameron were clear in saying there's no final report yet and no final indication of exactly what happened.

>> on the russian side, let's talk about that, because government officials for their part, they're saying let's not jump to conclusions. just curious what your assessment is of how this is all playing out within the kremlin. are they viewing this whole incident as an embarrassment? >> it's a great tragedy for the russians. it's the worst air disaster in russian history. our heart goes out to all the russian families who are grieving now. >> absolutely. >> i think president putin is in a very difficult position. since the russians entered the war in syria 30 days ago, as you know, they have been aligned with shia powers, with iran, hezbollah and a regime in damascus and syria. muslim population is largely sunni muslim. president putin has a major problem, he's trying to straddle the fence where he's aligned with shia, yet his own population is sunni. that's creating a real contradiction for the rugs and the russians fear a blow back. >> so the question -- >> because of what they're

doing. >> if it is connected to isis and it is seen as retaliation for russia's presence there, is putin going to have to change his strategy? >> well, i think everyone -- most people want putin to change his strategy. we don't know yet whether the islamic state was responsible for this airline disaster. but here's the problem. russia's bombing syrian rebel groups that are opposed to president assad. he's bombing syrian rebel groups that are aliepd with the united states and most of the arab world. he's not directed his power against the islamic state forces and i think most people, certainly i, believe the islamic state is the greatest threat to peace in the middle east and it has to be defeated and won't be if the russians and the syrian government don't direct their fire power towards the islamic state. >> ambassador nick burns this, has so many ramifications on a very large scale. at the heart, 224 people lost their loved ones and that

investigation has to continue with transparency and clarity. thank you for joining us. so we just spoke with dr. ben carson, live on our show about concerns about his violent past. as well as what he wants to do as president. so we will bring that to you and our analysis at the top of the hour. you don't want to miss it. hi i'm heather cox on location with the famous, big idaho potato truck. our truck? it's touring across america telling people about idaho potatoes. farmer: let's go boy. again this year the big idaho potato truck is

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so ben carson defending himself against questions about his past, his violence in his past. we spoke with him, alisyn did, quite extensively earlier on "new day." and a wide ranging interview. we're going to break it down and much more at the top of the hour. >> and this sunday at 9:00 eastern on cnn, anthony bourdain visitsi istanbul on parts unknown. ear here's a look. >> it's old. it's new. it's religious. it's secular. it's east and west. >> everybody say this not normal.

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i'm not proud of the fact that i had these rage episodes. you guys in the media, just stop for a minute.

>> dr. carson. i really don't know what you're talking about. >> let me explain it to you. >> donald trump and ben carson running neck and neck in iowa. >> chris christie and mike huckabee are missing the cut. >> the campaign says standby. the record will finally be released. >> i think there is a possibility that there was a bomb on board. >> russian and egyptian officials insisting there is currently no evidence of a bomb. >> helping evacuate those roughly 20,000 british citizens. >> their luggage isn't even going to be on their aircraft. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and the michaela pereira. >> good morning. friday, 8:00 in the east. chris is off. dr. john berman is here. retired neurosurgeon ben carson appeared live just last hour on

our show accusing cnn and other outlets of conducting a the smear campaign against him. >> pushing to explain why details of his childhood story why some have changed including whether or not he stabbed a friend or was it a the relative. alisyn asked about the names of people in the stories. this is something of the fascinating interview with alisyn. >> as you know, cnn has been trying to find people who were involved in these incidents or witnessed these and tried to find jerry. >> and tell me what makes you think you are going to find those specific people. tell he many how your methodology works because i don't understand it. talk to people -- i don't understand how talking to people who knew me particularly after the time that i had become a much more calm person. how does that cooperate the

story that i'm lying about this? i want to know whether the methodology is this. >> >> i'm happy to explain what maeve reston has said to us. she and another reporter did go back and talk some of your elementally school friends. >> which elementary school friends. >> i believe it's all -- >> i saw your article. i didn't see any elementary school friends there. this is a bunch of lies. that is what it is. this is a bunch of lie, attempting, you know, to say that i'm lying about my history. i think it'spathic. and basically what the media does is they try too get you distracted with all of this stuff so that you don't talk about the things that are important because we have so many important things. and you know i'm not proud of the fact that i had these rage episo episodes. but i am proud of the fact that i was able to get over them. and my message has been that you can escape from that kind of angry. >> yes. people are resonating with that

message. >> -- members of my family. i understand that i will not let them be victimized again by the media. and if you choose to believe that i'm incapable of these act, i guess that is a kind of a complement to me. that's good. >> look, people believe that it is fascinating to hear about your story of transformation how you went from an angry young man to soft spoken doctor, renowned surgeon that we see today. but what's interesting is that our reporter did go to your campaign to ask can we talk to these people and your campaign wasn't able to make them available. that is the seminal story of your youth. >> victimize these people by exposing them to you. >> how is it victimizing them by saying tell us more about this story? we're interested? >> the story is well documented. if you choose not to believe it. if it doesn't fit the narrative that you want, that's fine. let's let the american people decide. >> but dr. carson your story has changed. for instance, first you say that

bob was your close friend, who you almost killed. and then yesterday you said well actually his name wasn't bob. i changed the names and that is fine. people do that all the time in their memoirs. >> i changed names throughout all the books even of patients because -- and unless i have specific permission from them to use their names that is a inappropriate thing to do. >> of course and people change the names in their memoirs all the time. but they note that. they note that at the beginning if they they the fictitious names are going to be use. but nevertheless then you change to say he was not actually a close friend but a family member. >> he was a family member. >> okay. >> and i really don't want to expose him further. i've talked to him. he would prefer to stay out of the media. and i think i want to respect that. what i really want to do is help people, american people. although they seem to understand it a lot already.

that one of the tactics that is used by you guys in the media, particularly when someone is doing very well is let's find a way to get them distracted and get all the people distracted so that we can get away from the real issues. and i'm simply not going to allow that to occur. >> dr. carson i know you call this tactic. it is called vetting in politics. you know it -- >> is that with the current president? is that what you did with the with him? >> yes. >> sure. the no you did not. >> obama's dreams of my father was also vetted. you will recall. >> give me a break. you got to be kidding. >> don't you remember there was a whole question about his girlfriend and people went back to try to find the president's girlfriend and it turned out she may have been a composite character and that was revealed -- >> you all did with president obama doesn't even come close,

doesn't even come close to what you are trying to do in my case. and you are just going to keep going back, trying to find. he said this 12 years ago. it is just garbage. we have too many things that are important to deal with. >> all right. here now to respond to our interview with presidential candidate ben carson is conservative commentator and senior contributor to the daily caller matt lewis. great to have you here this morning. is it fair to go back to a candidate's autobiography and to try to find and verify and recreate and hear more about some of these seminal stores in there? >> absolutely. i would say it is an important function of the media. republicans should want their potential nominee, the front runner by the way, to be vetted before he is the nominee. i am sympathetic to conservatives concerns that there is media bias. i do think that the media should have done a better job looking

into the tony revsco and william wrooikt wright. but he's made this a central theme and it turns out to not be true it raises all sorts of big questions about him. >> it is the ben carson story. and it would be interesting to hear from these people. because. >> they didn't know they weren't going to find them. they were ntd expecting not to find them. >> -- republican rorschach test. this interview. where he says the questions alisyn were asking and the media were asking for out of line and asking questions we would never ask to others. and people in iowa would actually look at this and say carson is right that the media is wrong to be asking thee questions. >> well i think because of the background of at least the perception of liberal media bias, that's true. i think that picking a fight with the media in the short-term at least usually benefits republican candidates.

i think in the long-term though it is usually a disaster. it usually -- that defensiveness implies whether you are trying to hide something or whether you are just not going to be able to have a good media operation. i would say this, ben carson's success thus far is premised on a couple of things. two of the biggest are likability. people like him. they think he's nice and soft spoken. and his truthfulness. he shoots straight, tells the truth. this story has the potential to undermine both of his strengths. that is why it's the big, big deal. >> what do you recommend the carson campaign do? should they make on background, bob and jerry, the victims allegedly of dr. carson's youthful childhood rage, should they make available? >> absolutely. ben carson keeps saying that the media is trying to distract from the real issues, whether that is

syria or the national debt or whatever. well guess what. the best way to start a media feeding frenzy is to look like you are stone walling to like you are you are defensive or hiding something. if he wants the story to go away so we can talk about putin or whatever. take smerconish's advice. if you don't want to disrupt people or create or portray their trust or publicize them. put them on background. let them go to another network. but talk to legitimate reporters on background to corroborate his story. it is pretty easy. >> get out. get it all out and get it out early. let me show you we have a tweet from donald trump this morning. he said the story either a total fabrication or if true even worse trying to hit mother over the head with a hammer or stabbing friend. you get a sense that at least donald trump is watching this, to be sure. matt, let me ask you this. i want to talk about how carson

response to media questions and talks about the issues in general. alisyn was asking about his comment that without fox news america would be cuba. or a comment where he said the american people are stupid. and carson just responds by saying "you know what i'm talking about." i was very confused by that. >> i'm on your shoi. i'm not trying to suck up here. i think alisyn really held her composure. when you are interviewing someone and they are essentially accuse you of all sorts of bad things. to hold your composure is very difficult. you were literally just reading back his words about cuba and he somehow -- >> we were just playing them even. i was playing his words. >> -- but no. we're asking him to explain. in some ways you can make the case that ben carson hasn't even been asked to explain anything. that he isn't pushed on issues. he hasn't been pushed so far. >> i think that is right.

he says things that are weird and unusual. talk about the pyramid story. and he just usually gets a pass. like he says something that is kind of out there. and then we're like okay, ted cruz, next question. i think there is a lot of things that he has said that haven't been followed up on. and i don't know how else you could interpret his point was that without fox news america would be cuba. i don't how you could interpret that other than to say i guess he means we would be a communist dictatorship. and yet when you say that, he somehow thinks that that's absurd. >> that is not what i mean. you know what i mean. >> i don't know what he means. >> yeah. in case people missed it. let's play a little portion of that moment. matt, i really don't do want to hear whether or not you think we're at this point where journalists are not allowed to ask certain questions without being painted as some sort of partisan. let's play a real quick clip. >> all you have to do is look at

what's happened since, you know, the great society programs. of linden johnson. we spend $19 trillion and we have ten times more people on food stamps. more people on poverty. more broken homes. out of wedlock births. crime incarceration. everything is not only worse. it is much worse. you have to be kind of stupid to look at that and not realize that that's a failure to&so say we just didn't do enough of it. that is what i call stupid. >> that is his response to when i said who are you calling stupid? at first he didn't really want to answer was a he said my question was out of bounds. but he gave a completely legitimate answer. this is what conservatives feel and this is why he's residence neigh. but as aonateg. but as a stab.

>> they were entirely appropriate for a front runner who is running f ning president united states and all the responsibility it entails. it is the responsibility of the media actually to vet candidates and because the media didn't do a great job with president obama doesn't mean we should do a better job going forward. i share ben carson eebs world view to a large degree on the other hand i'm a journalist and i believe in asking tough questions and not carrying water for the people on my side. sort of looking at it, i think there is a real danger here that because there is a liberal media and i do believe there is liberal media bias. libera liberal. oh there goes to liberal media bias again you can just write it

off as such. and a lot of people will really buy that. and it's dangerous. it is a cop out. just because liberal media bias does exist doesn't mean you are not also responsible for having a good rapport with the media. and ronald reagan was the great communicator for a reason despite the fact that there were three networks that were mostly liberal leading networks. >> great to get your perspective, particularly as the conservative journalist. thanks so much for being on "new day." well let's talk about the numbers. brand new cnn orc polls this morning showing donald trump and ben carson neck and neck in iowa. 23 and 25%. rubio in third with 13%, two points ahead of cruz. and hillary clinton is 18 points ahead of bernie sanders in iowa. tourists are angry.

the sharm el sheikh airport would not be taking off as planned their flights. they have been stranded since metro jet 9268 crashed. >> reporter: well, they were incredibly irate when the british ambassador came down here a little earlier today. they say they want answers. they believe people aren't being clear enough with them. and they are worried that perhaps given how almost definitive britain has been about its security concerns about this airport. the british government left itself wiggle room but it is making pretty strong statements where it thinks the security problems were. there were supposed to be around 29 flights leaving here today. only two have departed so far. and of course undercutting all that frustration about the delay, about how they are going

to get themselves and their families out of here is very real fear. because there are of course so many unanswered questions still about the whats, the hows and the whys the people that we were speaking to say they fundamentally just don't feel safe. and the longer it takes to get them out of here the more nervous they say they are getting. alisyn? >> thanks so much for all of that. meanwhile a dam break at the mine in southeastern brazil killing at least 15 people and the ski is covered with mining sludge. city authorities evacuating people to higher ground. at least 45 people remain missing this morning. many of them workers. the full extent to the disaster and what caused still not known at this hour. so if an isis bomb took down that russian airline plane over the sinai peninsula, how is that going to impact airport security here at home? >> longer lines? more pat downs? trying to get answers ahead. the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company...

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king of maine. thank you for being was. >> absolutely. >> senator, we heard president obama talk about what happened in egypt and talk about the possibility that a bomb took down this flight. i want to listen to what he said quickly. >> i think there is a possibility that there was a bomb on board. and we're taking that very seriously. we know that the procedures we have here in the united states are different than some of the procedures that existed for outbound and inbound flights there. but it is certainly possible that there was a bomb on board. >> now senator, i know he said that it was only possible that there was a bomb on board. but to have a president even suggest the presence of a bomb there to me indicates that he must have seen some pretty solid intelligence indicating that it was there or very likely there. were you surprised to hear him say this? >> no.

i think -- i think you are reading a little too much it into. i think he's saying it is possible. i think ash carter said the same thing. i think the prime minister of britain said the same thing. it is a possibility. when an airplane falls out of the sky at altitude, not landing and taking off, that certainly is one of the options. i was briefed on this yesterday afternoon. and all i can tell you is that there is no definitive evidence that it was a bomb or that it was an attack after some kind. and i think that is going to are have to await the forensic unanimous. >> -- analysis. >> i know much of what you were briefed on is classified but what can you tell us about the specificity of the chatter just after this plane went down? >> well i'm not going talk about what i was told. and i think it is important, john to tell you why. i'm not being coy or trying to be cute about avoiding

skutsdsing this. the important issue in a question like this is not what we know but how we know it. and to the extent if we talk in detail about what we know, that could tip off our adversaries as to how we know it. and that is where you get into really endangering national security. and i'm not going to confirm what people are talking about. i don't think it is appropriate. your job is to chase the story. you are doing a great job. and my job is giving you all the information i possibly can short of compromising national security. >> thank you so much. one of the things we are hearing is the tsa probably considering implementing new security measures here in the united states. also in host countries that would permit the united states to help with these measures. anything you can tell us about that? >> i know that is going on. they are on the ground working on this right now. and here is the problem, john. here is what we're worried about.

you know when you go through an airline check in there is a mogtometer and other ways of checking what you are doing. but there is a guy in yemen named al-lasiri. and he in my opinion is a very dangerous man, a very bright bomb maker. and what he's working on are bombs that can't be detected at airports. he was involved in the underwear bomb years ago, the shoe bomb. and that is what worries us and any official. so yes there are discussions of upgrades and we are going to have to -- this is a case of sort of technology getting ahead of technology. and we're going to have to continuously be thinking about this. because unfortunately these guys want to kill us. and other people. they just killed two hund and -- we think. it is alleged they may have killed 224 russians.

>> appreciate you going back to hedge that. technology only goes so far if there is someone working on the inside. there are some suggestions that someone inside the airport may have been involved. >> well that is -- and we all think about airport security as us going through the line and taking our shoes off. but you are absolutely right. you have to worry about people that are working at the airport. food service. anybody that gets near an airplane is -- you know, that's got to be part of the security as well. and, you know, this is a hugely complicated and difficult problem. pause millions of people go through airports every day all over the world. and we're all subject to those kind of inspections. and i'm agrade that is just the price of living in the modern world. >> what do you think vladimir putin does do if it is proven that this is an act of terrorism? >> if it is proven and if it is

established, my inclination -- and, you know, nerve washington tries to read putin's mind. but my inclination is he will react strongly. i don't know how or where. but he's very sensitive about attacks on russia. and i think he would view this as one. and my suspicion is that there would be some kind of response. >> senator king from the state of maine. thanks so much for being was. thanks so much john. ben carson responding to journalists asking questions about his violent childhood. we'll discuss that and so much more next.

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one of the tactics that is used by you guys in the media, particularly when someone is doing very well is let's find a way to get them distracted and get all of the people distracted. so that we can get away from the

real issues. and i'm simply not going to allow that to occur. >> that was dr. ben carson earlier on "new day" expressing his feelings about journalists trying to delve into his violent childhood. joining us this morning to talk about this former chief of staff to president georgia h.w. bush and former governor of new hampshire. good morning. let's start with this ben carson interview we just did this here because i think this speaks to an emerging narrative about what is happening across the presidential election. and that is they are making it a referendum on the media, particularly since the cnbc debate. and i'm wondering -- this is nothing new but it seems to have really taken hold in this election cycle. and i'm wondering if you are thinking that is a winning strategy for candidates like ben carson? >> look, i haven't endorsed anyone. and i think ben carson is a good man. but i'd be a little concerned

with his going into the white house with the same level of inexperience as the current occupant and we could end one the same kind of disaster because of that inexperience. look, his message on the media is something i think resonates across the whole country. republican and democrat. i think people are concerned at what they perceive has been a very shallow pros by the media over the years and all of a sudden they are being -- it appears that the public is willing to have it talked about and willing to give it a positive response. and frankly i wholeheartedly agree with that perspective. >> what? that the media has been too superficial? >> i think it's been superficial. i think it's been slanted and biased. and i think it thinks too much of itself and quite often does not understand the significance of issues to the american public. and tries to ignore some issues that are important to the public and tries to put its spin on issues in a way that the public

kind of looks at and wonders whether media really is living until same world they are. >> governor do you think it is fair to look at the candidate'sography and try cand i biography and try and go back and even build on one of their points. >> you can go and do whatever you want. ben was absolutely correct though. one would if wish you spend the same kind of interest on the slight fiction that barack obama called his autobiography. yeah it is okay. fair to do it. but just do it fairley across the board. but you don't. >> let's talk about another autobiograp autobiography. on h.w. obviously you know all the players. you worked well with all the players.

here is what george h.w. now says about donald rumsfeld. i think he served the president badly. i don't like what he did and i think it hurt the president has his view of everything. rumsfeld was an arrogant fellow and the self assured swagger. what do you think of president bush speaking out like this now and saying that. >> of course i think my book "the quiet man" is better than johns. of course i haven't read john's so i can't honestly make that comparison. george h.w. bush has very strong feelings about people. and any feelings he express about rumsfeld in that book i can tell you are pretty consistent with the feelings that george bush had about donald rumsfeld over the years they knew him. so i'm not surprised about what he said there. but i don't think that should be

the most important thing that people are talking about in john meachum's book. i think john meachum's book is about 700 pages of in-depth discussion of the life of great man, the 41st president of the united states. >> here is another interesting tidbit and this shows inconsistency, at least how he first felt about dick cheney and now. so let me read that now. president bush on dick cheney. he had his own empire there and marched to his own drummer. i don't know. he just became very hard line and very different from the dick cheney i knew and worked with with. did he change is this. >> well i think the president was paying a lot more attention to detail than most people about what was happening. i think he probably had a lot of insight coming from better access to what was going on in the white house. and look, if george herbert walker bush saw that difference, i'm sure that difference existed. i'm very comfortable in accepting his description there. i don't think it is all bad.

i think dick cheney was a very strong vice president for george w. bush. and i think it was a time when we needed both a strong president and a strong vice president. >> one last did bit. and this is don rumsfeld responding. he said bush 41 is qugetting upn years and misjudges 43 who i felt made his own decisions. ouch. >> let's go back over the last three or four minutes we've had. this is a national tv show in which we're supposed to be discussing really important issues. and you chose to waste my time talking about little comments stuck in a 700 page book. and you get upset when people you alisyn are conducting superficial interviews? ha. ouch. ouch. >> governor, i'm sorry that you feel that we're wasting your

time. the reason we happen to like talking about you is you know people personally and this is sort of interesting. >> let me give you a context then. >> yeah. >> let me give you a context them. in any administration and other administrations looking at any administration there are always difference of opinions on how things are done and how people act. but in the long run it is usually true, and i will say in this particular case, you are talking about nitpicks of difference amongst people. all of whom i really believe made great contributions to dealing with issues in a tough way at a tough time when this country needed leadership. and frankly, taking one comment out of a diary does not define a full sense of what someone appreciates or doesn't appreciate about an administration. >> governor, my producers have just done the unthinkable in live television. and they have said we'll give you more time. because if governor sununu feels

we've wasted his time. governor, what would you like to talk about in our final moments. >> i'd like to talk about what's going on politically. i would like to talk about the fact that i am extremely concerned that the american public seems to be supporting style over substance. i'm concerned we really haven't debated tax plans or that we haven't talked about in any detail way about how we deal with the loss of america's pres teeng around the world and the -- >> hold on. i like what you're saying buts isn't that what donald trump's whole campaign about. make america great. ben carson b. i'll put you will the polls for you. >> i won't more than bumper sticker slowingance. i want details on how. i want to know how do you really sit down and deal with putin. neither one of them have really talked about the importance of rebuilding our national defense so that when you co-sit down

with putin you are dealing from strength. similar to what ronald reagan did and george herbert walker bush us able to take advantage of with gorbachev. i don't hear anyone suggesting wasn't of the great fails of our allies in that part of the world is that our dear friends over there are not taking in immigrants and letting them flow into europe and the united states. i really would like someone on the campaign to stand up and urge our friends in saudi arabia and the uae and countries over there to accept some of their arab brethren that have been exiled. i would like somebody to talk about the fact that we as americans are going to have to tighten our belt and cut spending significantly. i would like someone to talk about bill clinton is say we need welfare reform and entitlement reform. bill clinton champened that reform and it's one of the most

important piece os legislation passed and we need to say the hard things this take people at dependency and a huge segment of our population locked into spending their lives in dependency and counting on the ebt card. people have become discouraged and not willing to look for work. we have to talk about all of these things in detail. not just with the bumper sticker slowingance of make america great. >> governor, have you thought about running for president this time around? >> no. i'm too old and cranky. >> well. just to mullfy you. we did talk to dr. carson about the refugee crisis. we did talk about welfare reform with him. so we are getting around to asking those questions. you have made a great case. thank you -- thanks for being on "new day" despite your crankness at this hour. great to see you. >> thank you. enjoyed it. it is very therapeutic. >> glad to be your catharsis,

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me too, me too. >> so he was sick and sierd a few weeks ago. now he says this.

there is an investigation going on right now. i did not say end the investigation. that is silly. those are valid questions. so before he was sick and tired. now they are valid questions. what changed. >> well actually john, nothing changed. if you look at the cnn website today there is a story by your colleague showing nothing has changed. he said exactly the same thing. what the senator was concerned about and is concerned about that this preoccupation with the e-mails was really blocking out discussion of any of the important issues facing the american people like affordable college education, the need to raise wages in this country. about needing to stop bad trade policies. that is not to say that the investigation is not valid but this preoccupation with day in and out with the e-mails was really i think crowding out the political discussion about the important issues facing the

american people. >> because what some people suggest and we saw in the jackson dinner in iowa where the senator has sharper criticisms for the secretary of state. didn't name her by name but clear who he was talk affect is now the polls have changed a lit. now he's trailing in new hampshire in at least one poll. now senator sanders has decided to be much more critical of hillary clinton than before. are you saying that is not true? >> i [inaudible]. but i do think an election is a contest of ideas. and clinton and sanders have very different identi very different ideas on different issues. and protecting them in washington against the big money interests propping up this big economy. secretary clinton has spent between 6 and $8 million on television advertising since

august. we have just barely gone on television. the races in iowa and new hampshire are very volatile and go up and down. i'm sure we'll be ahead in some of these polls and down again in others as will secretary clin n clinton. we are not concerned. we have an excellent ground operation in both states. we are going out and meeting the people. at the end of the day people want real change in this country. they want to deal with this economy and deal with the corrupt political system. >> jeff weaver. the connection is getting a little sketchy here. thank you very much. really appreciate you being with us. talk to you again real soon. >> always a pleasure, john. all right. his off broadway show is back by popular demand. colin quinn is next. what does he think about donald trump appearing on saturday night live? what does he think as he gauges at images of himself? stay was. start with a positive attitude... and positively radiant skin. aveeno® positively radiant moisturizer...

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donald trump hosting saturday night live this weekend. expected to draw a yuge

audience. here to join us mr. colin quinn. his comedic play "the new york story" is back for a second run off broadway. before we get to all your stuff, i just need to know, are you here to question alisyn's journalistic ability? >> everyone else is. >> come on in. take a shot. >> you're really getting hammered this morn. what's going on? how dare you? >> ben carson started it. >> first of i don't like being pushed back for another segment. who's going to next time? alexander hague? sunu sununu. he really -- >> -- because this weekend obviously, that everybody is talking about trump. >> yes. >> going to your old stomping

grounds. you were there 95-2000. >> yeah. it was a political show. political people didn't go on in those days. you know what i mean? >> not like now. >> they do like a quick thing, do you know what i mean? it all started, you know, the first i remember who actually did a little bump that made him popular was jesse jackson in the 80s. >> green eggs and ham. >> fantastic. >> and then lauren michaels said hey this works. >> suddenly -- he us a wanted them on. but they were like hey this could work for us. so people doing little shots kind of worked. >> do you like it? >> do i like it? i could care less. i mean, you know. i don't care. it adds to the excitement when they do one thing. but hosting a whole show is, you know -- hosting a whole show for someone like jim carrie is hard. so trump is crazy. >> how will trump do?

>> it will be fantastic. it will be the best. i bet it will be the highest rated show of awl all time. sounds like something trump would say. best ratings ever. >> obviously a lot of controversy. do you think the staff care about the controversy swirling around it? >> no. i think like, you know, everybody is just trying to get there trying to be funny. trying to get whatever their stuff is. i don't think trump cares either. >> when you have somebody who is not jim carrie. >> less -- because you get to do your stuff. when you have somebody like jim carrie, they they have to get their parts because they know what they're doing. talk to me about that. that is a challenge in and of itself when you have somebody like a donald trump in there. in terms of planning for that and writing for that. >> what is that going to be like, exactly? it can't be repetitive. right. so the first thing will be fun. the monologue and then the first

guest. but then what? >> then what? >> does it get repetitive? >> i'm watching it on saturday. >> it is going to be a highest rated show ever. >> second run. a new york play. you -- are you down on your city, man? what's up? >> down on the city? yeah i like -- well i like to attack the new new york. and the new sincere kind of, you know? >> coming from somebody who is on outsider. >> infuriating to me in many ways. >> is this also my fault? >> this might be where you're from. >> let's just blame her. >> this joke writes it itself about new jersey. >> how about chris christie getting booted out of big debate. >> how about it? >> he's going to call in let you have it soon enough. you are going to get sununued. i like that expression. i got sununued. >> on my show thyour show.

>> on my that's fine. >> sell it. >> i can't sell it at this point i6789 sells itself. >> i don't see new york the same way you do. earnest. what do you mean about earnest new york. >> people come up and say speak. in the old days they were like hey what's up. they were very abrupt. the new -- here's the thing. the way people speak now. new york is going for the opini opinionuated strait shooter. i don't want to blame you guys but i just feel like -- >> go ahead. >> i really feel like the internet. >> isn't it also social media. where any time you you anything

you get that tsunami. >> the sununu. >> the sununu of twitter hate and facebook hate and does that have a chilling effect on your comedy. >> you can't really let it effect you as the comedian. but people try to -- everybody tries to boss each other around. that is the nature of man. and i know it sounds a little pompous to say the nature of man -- i discovered it. >> finally. >> and even that really is a sexist statement. you know. >> thank you. >> new york. >> exactly. it works on me too. >> second run. colin win. we have to wrap it up. another broadcast starting right about now. >> and -- again. >> we won't. al s alisyn will. >> time for newsroom with poppy harlow after this very quick break. have a great weekend. opportunity is everything you make of it.

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