clinton campaign when they hear this. >> reporter: ted cruz disagrees. >> >> we will lose. >> reporter: foreign policy also a flash point, including a rand paul sighting. >> i know that rand is a committed isolationalist. i am not. >> reporter: the kentucky senator not a big factor in previous debates had a no love lost exchange with marco rubio. >> i know that the world is a safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. i do not think we are any safer from bankruptcy court. >> reporter: jeb bush had admitted he had to show up big and he was certainly a bigger presence than before. >> thank you, donald, for allowing me to speak at the debate. that's nice of you. i appreciate that. he butted heads with donald trump on isis. >> if putin wants to go and

knock the hell out of isis, i am all for it 100%. >> donald is wrong on this. we're not going to be the world's policeman but we sure as heck better be the world's leader. >> reporter: ben carson continued to seem content to sit back on the debate stage. though he did reference recent media questions in the claims he made about his past. >> thank you for not asking me what i said in the tenth grade. i appreciate that. i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. and then putting that out there as truth. >> reporter: marco rubio and ted cruz continue to show their debate stage polish with notable one liners. >> there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. and not one of them is as good. >> for the life me i don't know why we have stigmatized vocational education. welders make more money than

philosoph philosophers. we need more welders and less philosophers. >> and carly fiorina with donald trump. >> he quit talking when it was time to quit talking. >> can i finish with my time. >> why does she keep interrupting everybody? >> reporter: there were sparks, too, in the undercard debate, just demoted chris christie tried to turn the focus to hillary clinton a lot. >> hillary clinton, secretary clinton. hillary clinton. wait till you see what hillary clinton will do to this country and how she will drown us in debt. >> bobby jindal said chris christie should get a participation ribbon and a juice box for his time as governor of new jersey. both candidates, donald trump and marco rubio didn't want to engage with each other. >> they engaged with others, just not each other. >> correct. some analysts calling it a bit of a bumpy night for the gop front-runner.

donald trump has a different take. dana bash is in milwaukee, caught up with him after the debate. looking fresh as a daisy, not bleary eyed at all. >> it's all a facade michaela. good morning to you. the last time this network, the least sister network had a debate, donald trump was not praising it at all. when i caught up with him in the spin room after i asked what he thought. take a listen. >> i thought the moderators were elegant. i thought the questions were really, really on point. and i thought it was a great night. i thought it was actually the word is elegant. it was an elegant evening, the three of them, they were so professional, especially after the last catastrophe where people are asking about fantasy football, however, that stuff gets in there. they were really -- they really did a great job. >> what did you make of your exchange with john kasich who i just spoke to after the debate ended and he said he's going to keep pressing on the fact that

he thinks that your immigration plan is pie in the sky and it's just not realistic. >> that's okay. there are a few people that agree with me on my plan. look at early 1950s, a man named president dwight eisenhower moved 1.5 million out because he didn't want illegal immigration. he moved them out three different times. moved them here, here and then finally he moved them out. we have no choice. we're a nation of laws. and we have to do it right. we need borders and we have to be -- come into the country, come in legally. i think that was -- it may have been my largest applause of the night when i said about the wall, when i talked about immigration. it may have been the largest applause i got that night. >> reporter: i just spoke to carly fiorina and asked her about the moment when you asked the moderators why she was interrupting so much. she said it was typical trump, that you didn't want to be interrupted. other people were interrupting all night long. >> i wasn't interrupting people. i thought that it was time that

somebody said because carly has a habit of speaking whenever she wants to speak. i think i was speaking on by half of the other people up there. she was fine. i thought it was appropriate, because every -- she interrupted too many times. >> it's a quote the great john berman just a few moments ago, more evidence that donald trump and carly fiorina are not going to be friends. chris and alisyn. more on that, just quickly, it was pretty clear in the spin room, everybody was happy that they felt like they got to talk about substance. they got to engage. they had more time. perhaps that's one of the many reasons for that is there were only eight people on the stage. >> good point, yes, the math worked in their favor. dana, thanks so much. >> they didn't have to have the same kind of pressure of performance last night where what am i going to do when alisyn takes this shot at me? how am i going to go back? let's discuss what resonated and what will wind up being thematic

in this election. let's bring back the great john berman and maggie haberman and editorial director for the national journal, professor ron brownstein. >> good morning. >> when you watched last night, maggie, forget about the moderators. they did their job. that's what they're supposed to do. moving on, what did you see last night? >> this is not going to be a popular opinion. donald trump had a decent debate. you saw him trying to be the front-runner. he was, for him, restrained. he sounded more substantive than i think we have heard him sound in the past. policy has not been his strong suit. jeb bush kept himself in the game. he looked like he is going to fight. he is not going gently. he came prepared. he's lost a lot of that nervousness i think we saw in the first three debates. but i ultimately don't think

much changed. the dynamic going into the debate was marco rubio versus ted cruz seemed to be where we were heading. i think it still looks like that. coming out, i don't think marco rubio had a fantastic night but he mostly sailed through and he got helped very important to note, there was a key moment involving immigration. there was a fight between kasich and trump and jeb chose his moment and got in on it and basically was on the kasich side versus trump. the moderators could have turned to rubio. that's a real vulnerability for rubio in the gop primaries, immigration. they didn't ask him about it. rubio got really saved. >> ron, winners, losers? >> i was really struck that about half the field i thought sharpened their definition and in that sense benefited themselves. the big question will be how much of an audience there is for that definition they've now established. john kasich and jeb bush reasserted their relevance by basically making themselves the voice of the practical pragmatic governing side of the party. especially in the immigration

exchange. the question is whether there is a big enough audience for that message. rand paul, he had been largely relegated to the sidelines in the earlier debates. he re-asserted the libertarian argument, particularly on national security. the issue will be how much of an audience there is for his message, particularly on defense spending. the other one i thought did well in that respect is ted cruz in reasserting his identity as the outsider who has more credibility in governing. i think he did kind of really re-assert himself in that lane and is in a strong position if ben carson who really doesn't project very much in these debates, that really, the debates aren't the core where he's going and donald trump fades, i think cruz put himself -- continues to put himself in a good position to kind of pick up the pieces there. >> you had tax policy and immigration. tax policy, you have people who were dove tailing last night. they all want less.

and a lot of them were using the term flat tax or getting that way, even carson wound up saying tithing was only an analogy, that he meant relative levels. there wasn't a lot of opportunity to say you stink on that level. immigration gave them more space. what did you see there? >> if you're talking about tax policy, they're not going to argue with each other on it for the most part. that's where a moderator could if he or she chose, ask for more and more detail on these plans. particularly ben carson. he could have been pushed a lot harder on what he means with the flat tax he wants. immigration, huge difference. not small differences. big differences there. and everyone was happy with where they landed there. there were tense moments but jeb bush was perfectly happy to be the guy, he said, it's crazy to talk about deporting everyone. john kasich perfectly happy and ted cruz perfectly happy with saying no, no, no, amnesty is a bad idea. happiest of all was marco rubio

for not being pulled into that discussion. >> cruz's point last night, correct me if i'm wrong, alisyn, you have to enforce the law. if you don't enforce the law, it's a mistake. we're a nation of laws. full stop. it is trump who is owning we have to get rid of them. do you think the eisenhower thing makes the case for him? >> i don't, actually. to ron's point, i think that trump is not likely to go the distance. so i think if we're looking at an argument that will sustain him, i don't think that's it. i thought trump was better prepared. i was surprised to hear him make that argument. i think cruz articulated the point better. trump said we're a nation of laws, we have to stick with this. cruz played more to the gop base. he talked about amnesty. he tied it to wage stagnation. that's something that especially iowa caucusgoers are going to hear. >> there's a question before the debate as to whether or not the moderators would bring up the discrepancies in ben carson's

narrative about his past. they did. they ask eed do you think this affecting your trustworthiness. let me play for you ben carson's response. >> the fact of the matter is, you know, we should vet all candidates. i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. and then putting that out there as truth. >> now, ron, the moderators did not press him on who's lying? who exactly has said any lies. he's equating questions with lies. >> right. when you're in a primary debate, first to go to chris's point, a lot of the real differences are between the parties and many of issues, whether it was minimum wage or taxes or ben carson's biography would be much more of a flash point if you were talking about a general election context where there's a real, you know, there's a real incentive for the candidates on the stage to draw the difference. look, all of the candidates i

think are somewhat reluctant to go after carson. trump has done it on twitter. he did not do it on stage last night. ben carson's personal story is resonating very powerful with a segment of the republican base, particularly evangelical christians. i don't think anything that's been raised will dislodge that support. the threat for him is that i think it bounds and contains that support. i think it makes it tougher for him to move on, broaden yopd the beach head of those who are attracted to his personal story. this is a candidate whose candidacy is fundamentally his biography. it is not fundamentally about his command of policy or the direction of his ideas so much as who he is. i think that to that extent, these issues are particularly challenging for him, once you get beyond the core of voters who simply see him as someone who exemplifies their values. >> lie has become a buzz word. you said i lied. how did you say ben carson lied?

by suggesting that we couldn't prove his story. that is -- called me a liar. that's a high bar for him. very low bar for everybody else. we saw that with hillary clinton last night. she's a liar because she told different stories. do you think that's something that will ultimately be powerful here? we'll be talking about this six, seven months from now? >> i think the concept of truth in this race overall is something we'll be talking about for a long time. i think it's primarily in the republican primary, hillary clinton has been accused of telling different stories about her e-mail use or broader on foreign policy, what happened after benghazi and the attacks in libya in 2012. on the republican side, ben carson, carly fiorina, donald trump, in particular, have said things that have all come up for serious fact check at different points, certainly with fiorina and trump, it happened again last night. both of them talking about meeting putin. each of them said something that i think is not correct. i think that the concept of truth is going to be something

we're going to be dealing with for many months to come. i don't think the specifics, however, are necessarily coming back to hurt people because a lot of it is in how you deal with it. you saw ben carson turn questions. i think to ron's point, i think it ill with be the question of does that caughterize your point where it is. >> caughterize is a good world. we'll keep talking about this. there's a lot that happened that mattered. this man mattered last night, comma, or did he, question mark? he was on the littler stage last night. he will join us and discuss his reactions and what he thinks matters to you. >> i like the way you add the punctuation for our viewers at home. >> and says it out loud. >> it felt good. it may be a new thing. back to our debate coverage in a moment. all sorts of news happening overnight. breaking, two deadly migrant

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during last night's republican debate, the candidates had some heated exchanges over the economy, immigration and foreign policy. so who got the upper hand? let's bring back john berman, maggie haber man and ron brownstein. let's talk about some of the moments. maggie, i'll start with you. there was a moment between marco rubio and rand paul about military spending that people thought was one of the crescendos of the night. let's play that. >> how is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditures? you cannot be a conservative if you're going to keep promoting

new programs that you're not going to pay for. >> may i respond? we can't even have an economy if we're not safe. there are radical jihadists in the middle east beheading people and crucifying christians. a radical shia in iran trying to get a nuclear weapon. i know that the world is a safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. >> okay. there you go. that was a real difference of opinion there. they both got applause. how do you think that went? >> this is one of the key fissures within the republican party. rand paul, his ascent was based in part that he was very anti-interventionist. this was rand paul returning to where he performs best. this is where a lot of the republican base has been. where the democratic base had been, we are tired of wars, tired of being overseas.

that whole conversation took place largely before the rise of isis. that's what you're seeing marco rubio seize on and capitalize on. he will be the voice of a muscular foreign policy. you'll see this over and over again. i think both of them did what they wanted to do. >> exactly. >> in that exchange. there was no clear winner. >> that was my favorite part of the debate. two guys argued with each other who both got exactly what they wanted here. the case of rand paul is fascinating. had this been the rand paul we heard of exclusively for the last year, he might be doing a lot better in the polls right now. this a guy if he only consolidated the support his father had, he'd be at 8% or 10% right now. he lost track of where that base of support for him might have been. base, mike makes right is coming back into vote as far as foreign policy. >> in a 14, 15 candidate field, there might be 10% that feel strongly about that issue. >> sure, sure. let's focus on immigration a

little bit, too. kasich, many believe there's going to be a moment where he'll come out as somebody who will be getting a real look. he went for it last night against donald trump on immigration. let's play the exchange and see if we can get to maggie's point about who came as third man in. >> we either have a country or we don't have a country. we are a country of laws. going to have to go out and they'll come back but they're going to have to go out and hopefully they get back. >> for the 11 million people, come on, folks, we all know you can't pick them up and ship them back across the border. it's a silly argument. it makes no sense. >> all i can say is you're lucky in ohio that you struck oil. that's for one thing. >> all i'm suggesting we can't ship 11 million people out of this country, children will be terrified. it will not work. >> thank you. >> let me just -- >> unbelievable company worth billions and billions of

dollars. i don't have to hear from this man. believe me. i don't have to hear from him. >> so, ron, on this issue, trump's new layer of this, he mentioned it a little bit early on in the campaign. he came strong with operation wetback which is what it was called during the administration. the numbers are probably off the impact is off and the legacy isn't necessarily something you'd want to tout. how did it play for you? >> it's a different context. as i recall the program, we're talking about temporary agricultural workers who were moved out. not people who have been living in place for years, in many cases with u.s. citizen children. there's nothing like that in the 1950s when you're talking about uprooting families. the kasich/trump and bush joining in, i think really as i said before was each of the candidates more sharply engraving their identity. kasich and bush both want to be seen as the pragmatic governing adult. that is clearly speaking to more of the establishment, laying in the party. trump reaffirming his outsider

credentials where he's competing with carson and probably cruz. rubio, the intriguing who had kind of, i thought, an okay debate. he was lucky as maggie noted to be exempted from this conversation. rubio is someone who is potentially acceptable to a big chunk of that establishment vote but not as noxious for the outsiders as, say, kasich and bush would be. but i do think you saw kasich putting his cards on the table. the identity he sketched out in the last debate, he really etched much more deeply in this one. i'm going to be the guy who will tell you the hard truths. i'm someone who can govern. that's the upscale, more establishment wing of the party and requires you to put all your chips into new hampshire. >> maggie, there's funny fact checking going on this morning about who has met more closely with putin. with vladimir putin. between carly fiorina and donald trump. is donald trump saying that because they were both on "60 minutes" the same night, though it wasn't taped at the same time

or in the same place, that he has a relationship with putin? >> so i wasn't -- that was my read last night in real time. i was corrected rather vociferously as one is on twitter by a lot of people. no, no, he was saying he's met him several times. this happened to be one of the times when they were together. >> stable mates. >> stable mates were his line. they're not stable mates unless the stable is the whole world. putin was in russia when this interview was taped. fiorina, however, her best line of the night was this thing about we didn't just meet in a green room. but in fact when she met with putin it was in a green room getting ready for a speech. it wasn't a tv green room but it was a green room. neither one of them won that exchange. not in a good way. >> who did it hurt more? >> probably hurt fiorina more. trump's brand is able to sustain saying things that are blatantly not true as he has said throughout this primary. it doesn't seem to drag his

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that angle very closely for us and joins us with the latest. good morning, barbara. >> reporter: good morning, michaela. now that national transportation safety board experts may join the investigation, this will give the u.s. for the first time a direct look potentially at some of the evidence that is being collected. but right now, absent that direct evidence, they are developing a working theory at least inside the administration based on intercepts, the satellite flash we've talked about, video photographs of the scene. now what we are being told by several administration officials, yes, they do believe most likely a bomb. now, based on what they see, the intensity of this potential explosion, they believe likely it was c-4 military grade type explosive. that's something that is readily available in that region, that most likely would be available to isis in sinai. as they look at all of this, they are also looking at the prospect that maybe this bomb

had a timer on it. in other words, you know, it went off in midair. that's maybe close to 30 minute in flight. the plane was on the ground for some time. this may have had a bomb or a timer on it of more than an hour. michaela? >> the latest very manies from barbara starr. thank you so much. this morning, gunfire outside of afghanistan's presidential palace as thousands of protesters demonstrate at the gates they are demanding top leaders step down for failing to deal with islamist militants following the beheadings of civilians in the southeastern province. a group of protesters tried to breach the palace gate when security forces began firing into the air to try and disperse them. back here at home, investigators are trying to determine what caused a small plane to crash into an apartment building in ohio. look at that, sparking a giant inferno. there are reports that there were at least nine people on board the plane and they all died. no one on the ground was injured in ohio.

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did you watch the debate last night? certainly a lot of claims were made at that debate. how many of them were true? we put chief business correspondent christine romans on the task of giving us a dose of reality the morning after. >> good morning, michaela. a lot of talk about the minimum wage. a popular topic last night. some advocates want it raised to $15 an hour. ben carson thinks that is a bad idea. >> by the time we raise the minimum wage, the number of jobless people increases. >> not exactly. let's look at these numbers. in 1997 the minimum wage went up and unemployment fell steadily each month for several years. it happened other times, these other years as well. 1950, 1961, '67 with, '78, '96. you can see that. on top of which economists debate the lunkage between minimum wage and job loss.

there's a lot of disagreement on that. we can tell you this morning that that claim from ben carson is false. now, let's go on to marco rubio this morning. who tried to make case for more vocational training. >> welders make more money than philosophers. we need more money and less philosophers. >> there's a real argument about vocational training. going to focus on that. in this claim in particular, this is what we found. turns out philosophers make more money than welders. that's right. the median salary for philosophy professors is 63,000 -- almost $64,000. the median salary for welders is 37,400. if you look at philosophy majors, just philosophy majors make more than philosophy professors. the final there, false, actually. marco rubio is wrong on this. finally, the debaters trying to illustrate just how complicated and ugly the tax code has become. senator ted cruz compared the tax code to the most popular book in the world. listen.

>> there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. >> okay. so is that true? well, turns out it is true. the tax code has nearly 4 million words. the king james bible contains only 800,000 words. so there you go. you can use that in your next trivial pursuit game. >> you've stayed up late counting the words in the bible. >> counting. i already knew them by heart. >> of course you did. >> thanks so much. that is always interesting to check the facts afterwards, christine. thanks. a lot of this winds up to getting to which is better also. there are plans and ideas out there. let's bring in cnn global economist ron throna foroohafor. what stood out for you on tax policy? seems to me we were hearing flat tax. they don't want to call it that

necessarily. a lot of the tax policy seems similar. what do we need to know. >> none of the tax policies with the exception of rand paul, will actually get the deficit. that's a big deal. republicans are claiming if we cut taxes and lower the deficit, that's the formula for growth. there's also no real evidence that cutting taxes in the last two decades or so has increased both. if you look back under clinton, we raised taxes in '93, got growth growth. in 2001, 2003, we cut them, we got meager growth. that formula, that old-fashioned republican formula, trickle-down formula of cut taxes, cut red tape, you get growth isn't fight working. i don't see a lot of the candidates grappling with the underlying changes in the economy, the fact that technology is replacing jobs, globalization is replacing some jobs. we got talk about china which was interesting. you saw a big split between the far right and the populous camp, the cruz camp, fiorina talking

about crony capitalism and the more moderate republicans, bush, kasich, rubio. >> we saw a heated exchange between cruz and kasich last night about their philosophies on bailing out the banks. let's watch this. >> governor kasich, why would you then bail out rich wall street banks but not main street, not mom and pop? >> i didn't -- >> you just said that. >> they were talking about what you would do with depositors. i would not let the people who put their money in there all go down. >> you would bail them out? >> no. as an executive i would figure out how to separate those people who can afford it versus those people who are the hard-working folks who put their money in those institutions. >> the crowd didn't like that. what was wrong with what he was saying. >> it's interesting on both the far right and left there' a feeling we shouldn't have bailed out rich financiers and shouldn't help people under water with their mortgages. >> isn't that the point he was

trying to make. >> unfortunately saying you needed to save the financial institutions post-2008 in order to save the financial system is not a popular message still. i think another thing that was interesting, though, you didn't have anybody coming up with real solutions about how to make the financial system safer. jeb bush said we need to raise capital requirements. frankly, that's almost a done deal. international requirements are going to make that happen in the u.s. anyway. but i saw a lot of populous rhetoric which frankly plays to both sides of the political aisle right now. there's a lot of populism in this race. >> you have the fdic. depositors are guaranteed up to a certain amount. that takes care of the mom and pop. the leverage in the system, the ability to borrow against what you have in the game is the big issue. >> that's something i think republicans should be making much more hay with. you can talk about tax reform, we need a tax code that doesn't reward debt so much and allow companies to offshore money and pay incredibly low rates on it

and have tax holidays that don't create jobs. you need a tax code that rewards savings and equity. i don't see anybody rallying . around that. >> did anybody say anything that caught your attention on the economy or taxes last night? >> marco rubio started to grapple with the fact that, look, this is not just about lowering taxes. he made an interesting point that candy crush had gotten within a few months 100 million users. that's speaking to the real change in the economy. we have job destruction. we're competing in global economy. that's what republicans will have to grale with, particularly in the general election. r rana foroohar, thank you. the stakes were high for jeb last night. did he deliver? will the republican party unite between one theme, one candidate? eric cantor here with his impressions.

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he's absolutely wrong on this. we're not going to be the world's policeman but we sure as heck better be the world's leader. >> the idea that it's a good idea for putin to be in syria, let isis take out assad and then putin will take out isis, that's like a board game, playing monopoly or something. that's not how the real world works. >> you heard it time and again. last night was a critical test for jeb bush. how did he do? joining us this morning is former house majority leader and bush supporter eric cantor. thank you very much. >> good morning. >> what were your impressions watching governor bush. >> clearly jeb was back. he had a strong performance. he was really the serious candidate on stage with the command of policy, both domestic and international. and he demonstrated an ability to take on hillary clinton. >> was it strong enough? you heard all of the pundits beforehand, this was the moment, this was the moment that was

going to define sort of his campaign going forward. did he do enough? >> i think what this demonstrated was, the campaign went through a series of reset days over the last couple weeks and i think it just paid off. i mean, jeb clearly was prepared. he was the one most focused on identifying where conservative policies play out and benefit working people of this country. and was prepared to take on hillary and did so last night more so than anybody. >> metaphor moment for you, eric, is this. let's play jeb bush talking about hillary clinton's feelings about the obama policies. >> hillary clinton has said that barack obama policies get an "a." really? one in ten people right now aren't working or have given up altogether as you said. that's not an "a." one in seven people are living in poverty. that's not an "a." one in five children are on food stamps. that is not an "a." it may be the best that hillary clinton can do but it's not the best america can do.

>> you know, jeb was absolutely right on and strong in that moment. again, it's this difference between what we believe and what jeb believes is common sense conservative policy and what he can for working families versus the norm that's been accepted by barack obama and hillary clinton. that's where the crux of a republican debate lies and the difference between what we believe and what is actually, unfortunately, the new norm under barack obama and hillary clinton. >> last night you heard that the republicans do have some differences on issues. particularly immigration. as you know, donald trump says he wants to build a wall. other candidates took issue with that and with what to do with the illegal immigrants and undocumented workers who are here. listen to ted cruz talk about that. >> the democrats are laughing. because if republicans joined democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose. >> what do you think about that? do they all need to be speaking

with one voice? >> i think jeb bush said it best last night. if you have more of the antics that are about what ted cruz and donald trump are saying on immigration, you have hillary clinton high fiving in her green room. i think that jeb's clearly focused on winning this campaign, will win this campaign and i think his position on immigration is where most republicans are and certainly most of the country is. you can't sit here and assume that 11 million people are somehow going to get rounded up and deported. jeb talked about ripping apart families and that we don't want to do that. >> what's the answer? if you're not going to rip apart families and send them back, it is amnesty. >> jeb has consistently said we're a country of laws. people have to earn the right, they have to pay a fine, be law abiding, they have to learn english and we're a country of immigrants but we're a country of laws. one of the reasons why that we have so many people that want to come here is because of our laws. and there's a clear recognition

by jeb that we've got to do that. i think he was spot on last night. >> it's a big distinction you have to make better, right? there is an assumption that amnesty or they all go. even cruz would tell you there's a whole menu of legal options in between. you haven't articulated them. not you, eric. you're out of the game, former majority leader, today just an intelligent man. when you look at your party, though, it still has your head and your heart. there's a lot of division in your heart right now, because although you heard a lot of arguments last night, trump and carson are at the top of the numbers, almost prohibitively at this stage. what does that tell you about who will be your choice? >> what it tells me is that we're still unbelievably so early in this process, we've got nearly three months until the first vote is cast in iowa. i think there's a lot of factor of people wanting to turn on and just sort of soak it all in right now. but i do think that last night's debate was a substantive debate that we saw candidates talk about policy. clearly i think it lent itself

to jeb bush saying that, i am the one who's had the experience in florida in a very dynamic state, a state full of immigrants and that one that is actually seen an ascension, if you will, up the ladder of job creation or standard of living. >> why isn't it resonating that? the number one google search for him before is, is jeb bush still running? and it didn't change throughout the course. >> i think he put that to rest last night. he was in the debate, he was a solid and strong performer in the debate. i know that much better than ten days ago in the last debate and looking forward to a robust month. he left immediately after the debate, on his way to iowa, very charged up. i know that the campaign team as well is energized. >> what's it like for you to watch all of this as an outsider now? as just a viewer and a voter? do you wish you were still on that stage or in that game? >> alisyn, i have landed in a great place. i'm vice chairman at a company,

a global independent investment bank. focused on helping businesses grow jobs. you know, across this country and focus on the competitiveness of america. obviously there's a lot of discussion last night about the tax system and what we need to do to fix it. i see firsthand right now the impact of a disadvantaged tax code. and the imperative for when we elect jeb bush president that we get this tax code fixed so we can continue to grow as a country. >> i know you get contacted all the time by both parties for your take on what's going on. as you should be. what is the biggest thing you've learned that you are not as aware of when you were in office? what is that guidance that you have for those in the game? >> i think that, you know, there is, in the end, it's not just about arguing on the differences, that we've got to remember there are real consequences to working people, real consequences to small and

large business for what goes on in washington. frankly for what doesn't go on in washington. that's the one thing that is, i'm growingly concerned about is not just that -- what's being done but what's not getting done. the very simple aspects of getting a regulatory system straight and getting it right so we can continue to be a country that leads in this world. i think that is the one thing i am seeing first row in the private sector, both impacts working families and businesses. >> eric cantor, great to have you here. great to get your take on this. >> terrific to be here. we're following a lot of news this morning. let's get right to it. if putin wants to go and knock the hell out of isis, i'm all for it. >> that's like a board game, playing monopoly or something. that's not how the real world works. >> either they win or we win. we better take this risk seriously. >> we all know you can't pick them up and ship them back across the border. it's a silly argument. >> that's naive to the point of

being something you might hear in junior high. >> obamacare has to he repealed because it's failing. >> i thank you for not asking me what i said in the tenth grade. i appreciate that. >> there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. and not a one of them is as good. >> hillary clinton, secretary clinton. hillary clinton. wait till you see what hillary clinton will do to this country. good morning, everyone. welcome back to your "new day" on this veterans day. issues take center stage in the latest gop debate. personal attacks not the focus this time with the 2016 republican hopefuls focused on policy, including immigration, national security and the minimum wage. >> all right. seems every candidate came in with a mission, jeb bush was looking to stay relevant. ben carson looking to get past questions about his past. so where do we stand this morning? cnn's john berman is here with the recap. j.b., what did you see? >> normally after a debate, every campaign likes to

basically declare victory and say it won. this is really one of the very first debates i've seen where each campaign can credibly make the claim that it did exactly what it wanted to do. where are fewer candidates on stage? yes. more poly? maybe. less tension? not a chance. >> come on, folks, we all know you can't pick them up and ship them across -- back across the border. it's a silly argument. it's not an argument. it makes no sense. >> reporter: john kasich blasting donald trump's build a wall immigration plan. donald trump blasting back. >> thank you. >> let me just -- >> unbelievable company worth billions and billions of dollars. i don't have to hear from this man. believe me. >> reporter: jeb bush worried about a mass deportation message. >> they're doing high fives. >> reporter: ted cruz disagreed.

>> if republicans join democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose. >> reporter: foreign policy also a flash point between candidates, including a rand paul citing. >> i know rand is a committed isolationist. i'm not. >> reporter: the kentucky senator not a big factor in previous debates had a no love lost exchange with marco rubio. >> i know america is a safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. >> reporter: jeb bush was a bigger presence than before. >> thank you, donald, for allowing me to speak at the debate. that's nice of you. appreciate that. >> reporter: he butted heads with donald trump on isis. >> if putin wants to go and knock the hell out of isis, i am all for it 100%. >> donald is wrong on this. he is absolutely wrong on this.

we're not going to be the world's policemen but we better be the world's leader. >> reporter: ben carson out front in some polls continued to seem content to sit back on the debate stage, though he did reference recent media questions into claims he has made about his past. >> i thank you for not asking me what i said in the tenth grade. i appreciate that. i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. and then putting that out there as truth. >> reporter: marco rubio and ted cruz continued to show their debate stage polish with notable one liners. >> there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. and not a one of them is as good. >> for the life of me i don't know why we have stigmatized vocational education. welders make more money than philosophers. we need more welders and less philosophers. >> reporter: and carly fiorina and donald trump, with new proof they will not be friends.

>> he quit talking -- >> can i finish? >> when it was time to quit talking. >> why does she keep interrupting everybody? >> reporter: there were sparks, too, in the undercard debate. just demoted chris christie tried to turn the focus to hillary clinton a lot. >> hillary clinton. secretary clinton. hillary clinton. wait till you see what hillary clinton will do to this country and how she will drown us in debt. >> it's interesting with chris christie. a lot of people said he really did shine at that undercard debate. he took most advantage of the time he had, much more time than he's had before. is it enough to break through when so many people are on the bigger stage making their points? it will be interesting to see what happens over the next four weeks before the next big debate, our debate, the cnn republican debate in las vegas. >> i like that. you're already teasing it. >> the definitive debate they're calling it. >> i think so. this was an undercard to the big debate. >> an appetizer. >> yes. >> you'll hear a lot about jeb bush today. why? there's a lot of expectations

hanging over the former governor. that's why. you'll hear people say he did better last night than in previous debates. was he better enough? let's discuss with campaign manager, danny diaz for mr. bush. why are you in a better situation than you were yesterday? >> well, thanks, chris. last night governor bush talked about and showed why he's the most prepared person to be president of the united states. he litigated the case against hillary clinton, showed unparalleled depth and mastery, control of the issues, both domestic and foreign. you know, governor bush talked about how his policies relate to real people. we appreciated the opportunity and we move into iowa today to do the same thing in front of voters. >> you can say this is a cursory indicator. going into the debate last night, the main google search for your candidate was, is he still running? and it didn't really move throughout the course of it. what is your message to people who are questioning his

relevance? >> we'll be picking a president in the coming months and governor bush is the most prepared person to be president. he has the strongest conservative record of accomplishment. he has the most profound and significant ideas from a policy perspective on how to move this country forward. and he's somebody that will be able to lead this country in a way that achieves high sustained economic growth, that takes the fight to isis and mends a broken washington. >> he's been saying that for a long time. it has not connected yet. what is the fix for you in terms of having him connect. the invitation stands for him or you to come on "new day." >> we know from all our work, the more people learn about governor bush's record, the more they're going to support it. we need to continue to work. half of new hampshire voters will decide in the last week of the election. there are 80 plus days before the caucuses. we need to continue to work to

get in front of voters and once it becomes time to pick a president, we're very, very confident the person that voters will side with is governor bush. >> we had a poll out a couple days ago we were talking about that showed actually the opposite statistically, the more people hear about jeb bush, the less they are clinging to his campaign. is that about the man, the message or both? >> you know, you can cite that poll, i can cite another poll. the reality is this is a consequential time. voters are looking for someone with a track record. florida was able to achieve 4% growth with governor bush. he has a plan for high sustained economic growth that can help middle class families. just as importantly, he can go to washington and up-end the status quo that reallien is working for anyone. he has a track record of doing that in florida, taking on the debt, the outrageous spending. once we get to that portion of the debate, we feel very, very

confident. we thought last night was a good investment in the conversation. we were able to highlight points such as those in front of millions of americans and we continue to do it. >> ignored rubio, just about all night last night. stark departure from what seemed to be the strategy in the last debate. why? >> you know, once again, this was a serious debate about serious issues. it was substantive, policy oriented. i think it worked for everybody, including the audience, particularly. we look forward to that opportunity. we look forward to your debate obviously in the coming weeks as you opened with. we think this is an important, serious conversation and it should be reflected on the stage. we thought that was true last night. >> were you surprised at the perception of how it hurt the governor to go after the senator? >> look, i think this is a presidential contest. everybody's record will be examined. there are certainly differences between the candidates and that's going to be part of the conversation. it's a reality in presidential politics. people are measured by what they've done. it's a way to grade the

integrity of their promises going forward. and once again, we enter this debate as the most accomplished conservative reformer on the stage with the most significant ideas on how to up-end washington, stop the outrageous spending, to get the economy moving again, beat the terrorists, exude american leadership abroad and we feel when it comes time to pick a president, jeb bush will be the man to stand head and shoulders above the rest. >> when is the governor going to come on and talk issues with us? >> very soon. >> so we can give the american people a good look. the invitation is always open. you can come, too. sit right next to him. we just want to get this conversation going. >> thank you. we'll continue to discuss the debate throughout the morning. you heard what the jeb bush perspective is. we'll get the perspective of chris christie from his own mouth, live, coming up. the highest court in the

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the republican debate last night in milwaukee certainly had its share of fiery exchanges. one unforgettable moment, john kasich and donald trump sparring over immigration. chief political correspondent dana bash caught up with the ohio governor fresh off the stage right after the debate. what did he have to say, dana? >> reporter: this is one of the most fascinating divides, not just on the stage but of course in the republican party. the issue of immigration. and you know, for several years, republicans who had wanted to get the party's nomination, they were basically scared to say

anything along the lines of what john kasich said last night. which is, to defy those in the party who say send them all back. those who have donald trump's position. and so i asked john kasich about the fact that he engaged with trump last night. listen to this. >> i just want to start by asking you about your moment with donald trump. you were clearly itching to get in and talk about the fact that you believe that his idea of deporting the undocumented immigrants is pie in the sky. >> well, we're not going to go and round people up, 11 million people and drag them out of their homes and ship them across the border. it's an absurd thought. and it's those kinds of things, really, that frankly would give hillary a great chance to be able to win. i think we'll start to see them backing off. in the last debate i challenged one of the candidates about saying he wanted to abolish medicare and he backed off of that. i'm going to make as much a contribution by also talking

about what i'm for, dana, and at the same time, we have to be clear that we have a very solid program because hillary clinton won't be easy but we'll beat her with a solid program. >> you don't really think donald trump is going to back off of his much talked about plan to try to get rid of the undocumented immigrants? >> well, i would hope so, because it is not -- it's not possible to do what he's talking about. and you know, maybe for a while he'll stay with it but this is not a tenable position for anybody. i mean, look, if somebody broke the law, they have to go to jail or be deported. but to be in a position where we'll grab people out of their homes, leave children there and frighten them, that's not america. we do have to protect the border. if anybody comes across we have to send them back. but at this point, if they're law-abiding, they'll pay a penalty, have to assimilate but they can live in this country not as citizens but with a legal stat us. >> you are trying very hard to get in throughout the debate,

really aggressively trying to sort of have a voice. do you feel you were successful with that? >> i good the to go around the world in foreign policy. i got to talk about my budget plans. i got to talk about economic programs and warn the republicans that we have to be realistic about what our package is in the fall, next fall, so we can win. i thought it was a good debate. i thought the moderators did a good job. none of us ever feel we get enough time. hopefully as i move closer and closer to the center i'll get more time. >> now, it wasn't just john kasich and donald trump that got into it on the issue of immigration. jeb bush, jumped in and basically echoed what john kasich was saying that if republicans continued to have that rhetoric and policy on immigration, that you're basically handing the election to democrats, because hispanics will continue to vote largely on the democratic side. then you saw ted cruz say, no, no, no, the way to do this is to

stick to principle and make sure there are not in his words, amnesty in this country. it was a fascinating discussion, again, that showed the real divide on that stage on this issue. >> and so interesting, alisyn. >> thanks so much, dana, for sharing that. we want to bring in matt lewis and ryan lizza. thanks so much for being here. we want to get your impressions of the highs and lows. matt, i want to start with you because you think that the best moment of the night was this testy exchange between marco rubio and rand paul on military spending. let's play that and then we'll talk to you. >> how is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditures? you cannot be a conservative if you're going to keep promoting new programs that you're not going to pay for. >> if i may respond. we can't even have an economy if we're not safe.

there are radical jihadists in the middle east beheading people and crucifying christians. a radical shia cleric in iran trying to get a nuclear weapon. the chinese taking over the south china sea. yes, i believe the world is a safer -- i don't believe, i know that the world is a safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. >> so matt, who got the best out of that argument? >> i think both candidates got the best out of it. i think it really highlighted the lanes they're in, rand paul had a very good night for the first time, he really owned his brand of being an anti-interventionist libertarian. i think he did fight well. there's a segment of the republican base that wants to hear we're weary and wants to hear that message. i think rubio also did very well. it was a substantive discussion that represented the kind of disparate wings within the conservative movement of the republican party. >> ryan, we had the campaign

manager and eric cantor on, both obviously supporters for jeb bush. they say he showed his medal, showed that he is the man last night. can you put any meat on those bones? what do you think? >> i think he had a better debate than he had previously but there were high expectations for him to get in there and shake things up. frankly, he didn't have a whole lot of time. he had a couple good moments but i think it's pretty much status quo coming out of that debate for jeb bush. i don't think he hurt himself necessarily but he probably did not have the sort of moment he needed to sort of shake things up and move much in the polls. i agree completely with matt on that exchange. i think it was one of three exchanges where you had a good substantive debate about the differences among these candidates on a big issue. probably from my view, the best debate for rand paul so far, he really has not been a big player

in the previous debates. he finally had a chance to stand there and make sort of his substantive case on foreign policy which, as matt points out, is very different than most of the other republicans. >> matt, we've talked fight a bit in the past few days about ben carson and there was some question about whether or not the moderators would ask him about the discrepancies in his personal narrative and in fact, the moderator did ask him about that, whether or not the questions were affecting sort of the impression of carson as trustworthy. here is ben carson's response to that. >> the fact of the matter is, we should vet all candidates. i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. and then putting that out there as truth. >> so, matt, what did you think? is he confusing being vetted with being lied about? who is lying about ben carson? >> well, look, i think you make

a really good point. cnn's reporting, for example, did not say that he did not stab somebody. it said we've not been able to corroborate or find anybody that witnessed this or can verify it. he is sort of conflating it there to his benefit. i actually think that he had a generally pretty good answer to it. i'll take a contrarian point of view, though. i think carson might have benefited from staying part of the story. we had a few days where he was dominating news cycles. he was going up against the mainstream media, liberal media bias. i think it was helping him. and last night, because fox business was really trying to be substantive and not ask the gotcha questions, carson just had that one question and i think in a way, he was not the center of the discussion. i think it probably hurt him. >> let's play what was supposedly a big night for ted cruz. he had a moment last night talking about immigration where he tried to have a combo effect. it wasn't just about amnesty

anymore. he wanted to move to the economics and play to the politics of perception here which meant coming at the media. he wrapped it up all in one. let's put it out there. >> the democrats are laughing. because if republicans join democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose. and you know, i understand that when the mainstream media covers immigration, it doesn't often see it as an economic issue. i will say the politics of it would be very, very different if a bunch of lawyers or bankers were crossing the rio grande. or if a bunch of people with journalism degrees were coming over and driving down the wages in the press. then we would see stories about the economic calamity that is befalling our nation. >> now, this may be unfair but it seems to me, ryan, that is a suggestion that the immigrant

population's lower wages, that's demonstrably false. what's the plus/minus? >> it's not accurate. the jobs that most undocumented immigrants are taking are jobs that most americans don't want. and so, we can look at all the economic data on this. it's not something that is harming that population. i do think he's right, absolutely, if white collared jobs were threatened by illegal immigrants, you'd probably see a lot more conversation about it among white collar reporters and all the rest. it's a good line. you know, cruz on immigration, he's treading a careful line here, right? he's not going -- he's against amnesty. he's using sort of what's popular in the republican primaries. i notice that he did not embrace donald trump's plan of mass deportation. donald trump really out there on the edge on this issue talking about rounding up millions of

people, pushed back very hard. john kasich and jeb bush pushed back very hard against that. cruz was careful not to get in the middle of that. he switched over to the line you just showed. i think at some point he's going to have to be pressed on that and asked whether he embraces a really fight radical plan trump is talking about in shipping the 11 million people out of the country. >> so, matt, did anything change the playing field last night, including chris christie's performance which many said was very strong in the undercard debate? >> christie did well. rand paul did well. i think it was mostly a status quo debate. it was a good debate, substantive. i don't see any huge shifts. the one thing i would keep an eye on, though, that i'm starting to sense, is the emergence of a looming ted cruz versus marco rubio battle. a lot of us believe that eventually when -- if and/or when donald trump and ben carson

sort of fade away, you're going to have the big sort of clash be cruz versus marco rubio. and cruz is starting to lay the ground work for attacking rubio on amnesty and sugar subsidies. we saw that last night. >> we'll see how it shakes out. please come back again. let's start that resonance response. what do you think? tweet us using #newdaycnn or post your comment on facebook.com/newday. i remind you, it's alisyn with a "y." >> you can default to me when you double down on the nasty. >> now accepting compliments. go ahead. >> the placement of the "y" is key, too. >> it's tricky. news of an alleged plot to set off a race war foiled by the fbi. we'll tell you who was behind

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washington with all the details for us. so fortunate they thwarted this. >> absolutely. the details are disturbing, michaela. the fbi arrested these two alleged white supremacists in chester field, virginia who the fbi says plotted to kill businessmen and used the money to prepare for a race car. they planned on shooting or bombing the occupants of black churches or jewish synagogues. these two men, ronald cheney and robert doyle met with an undercover fbi agent acting as an illegal arms dealer. the fbi says these men placed orders for automatic weapons, explosives and a pistol with a silencer. the fbi says it was given information through confidential sources and surveillance that the men were concocting a plan to kill a jeweler and use that money to purchase land, stockpile weapons and train for the coming race war. another man was arrested for

conspiracy to commit a robbery and the details, of course, in this complaint are especially alarming in the wake of the killings of nine black church members in charleston, south carolina by dylann roof who also shared this race war ideology. one official i spoke with says this type of chatter, this race war chatter is common among white supremacist groups that the fbi keeps an eye on. these two men in particular were a long way from targeting a religious facility but the fbi didn't want to take any chances. alisyn? >> thanks so much for that story and law enforcement. let's get reaction to last night's debate. we're joined by shawn spicer, the chief strategist and communications director for the republican national committee. good morning, shawn, you look relieved and happy this morning. how are you feeling? >> relieved and happy. thank you. happy veterans day. >> you, too.

>> i know that a lot of people were watching how it was all going to unfold last night and if there were -- if there was going to be an attack on the media, be attacks between the candidates. a lot of attention was trained on jeb bush. how do you think he fared last night? >> i think all the candidates -- i say that because the format was done in a way that allowed each of these candidates to focus on the issues important to american voters. and to put them to provide a forum to present the solutions. >> john, our john berman has said that fault lines emerged last night in the republican party in terms of how the candidates feel about important issues, in particular, let's start with immigration. and there was this moment, testy exchange between john kasich and donald trump. let me play that for you. >> we either have a country or we don't have a country. we are a country of laws. going to have to go out and

they'll come back but they'll have to go out and hopefully they get back. >> for the 11 million people, come on, folks, we all know you can't pick them up and ship them across -- back across the border. it's a silly argument. it's not an argument that makes sense. >> what about those fault lines? how is the party going to find common ground with this issue? >> it's not the job of the party. i think what we saw last night, why last night was such a success is because each of the candidates had an opportunity to make distinguishing policy differences with each other. it's up to the voters now to decide which of those candidates best represents their view on how to move forward with those key issues. >> hillary clinton was apparently watching the debate last night and she had her calculator out. it seems, because this is what she tweeted. she said number of times republicans offered helpful ideas for the middle class, zero. times republicans attacked hillary, we lost count.

#gopdebate. what were the helpful ideas for the middle class that you heard that maybe you didn't? >> there was a ton of them. one after another got up there and talked about differences, whether it was trade, taxes, growing jobs. over and over again, that's what the problem is. with hillary clinton and the democrats focus on is how much money are you going to spend, how bigger is government going to grow? we want to put americans back to work, increase livelihood, health care reform. those are the kind of things that we talked about. that's the difference, it made a difference between the republican debate and democratic debate. her idea is how much further to bernie sanders can i go? >> shawn, moving forward, what did you take away from last night that worked so well that perhaps you or the candidates will insist upon for the future debates, sean? >> there are a few things that

were really helpful last night. number one, the promises and commitments that fox business made to the candidates, they upheld. that was important. i know that sounds petty but i think candidates have a right to know what they're about to walk into. >> what promises? >> just everything in terms of how the opening was going to go, how long the responses were going to go, how long the closings were. the actual format, the topics. it was supposed to be a debate about the economy, taxes, financial matters. it was. the moderators stuck to it. the moderators weren't trying to get you with trick questions or silly, stupid questions. they stuck to intense questions about issues that american face. that's what debates are supposed to be about. the third thing, the moderators weren't the subject last night. that's what they promised and that was the case. the focus last night was on the candidates, not on the moderators. that was the model that needs to be going forward. >> okay. sean spicer, thanks so much for taking time for "new day." we'll speak again soon. let's get over to chris. alisyn, much more on the

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>> shockingly, very little about how to improve treatment of veterans in the main debate, most of it came on the undercard. yes, jeb bush did sum up by saying he was going to help. here's what was said on the undercard last night. >> the bottom line is, the v.a. is antiquated. >> we need to fire some of the v.a. bureaucrats. somebody should go to jail over these scandals. it's a crime. >> what would happen if the congress and the president had to get their health care from the v.a.? we would fix the problem and we would fix congress. >> mr. secretary, your response? >> well, chris, i would say that we're making progress at the v.a. but we're not where we need to be yet. since the crisis over the last year, we've completed 7 million more health care appointments for veterans. that's 4.5 million in the commune, 2.5 million in the v.a., average wait times are

down to four days for primary care, five days for specialty care. three days for mental health care. we've driven the backlog of disability claims by 88% from its peak and we've driven homelessness down by over 30%, veteran homelessness. having said all that we need progress but we still have pockets around the country where veterans are moving where we have increased demand that we have to solve. similarly as we improve the system, more and more veterans are coming in to use the system because they like it so much. >> i have heard there is increased flow. let's unpack this one at a time. if you talk to human service agencies, homeless agencies, they will say veterans who are homeless and distressed are on the rise. if you look at wait times, we know you're new there, trying to implement change. you got a lot of money and you've had some time. that's why we want to look at it critically. there's the controversy over the new measuring calculations that you use in terms of figuring out

whether or not help is delayed. is that really the way to focus your energies right now in changing the formula of how you measure a delay versus changing the delays? >> what we've done is hired more doctors. we've hired over 1,400 more doctors, over 2,300 more nurses. we've increased our space by over 1.7 million square feet. we've gone to after evening hours, weekend hours. we've also done other things to improve productivity, productivity of our providers is up 8%. that's all designed to get more people into the system. we've announced that next weekend we're going to start taking the people on those wait lists, making sure we get those into our system, having what we call an access standup, using our scale nationally with our medical school partners, our third party partners, our private care partners in order to address those needs. i have to argue with you a little bit on homelessness.

>> please. >> because the numbers on homelessness, we just finished our january 2015 point in time count. it is showing a 36% reduction in veteran homelessness. >> what does that mean? >> since 2010. >> point in time. what does that mean. >> i went out on the streets of los angeles in january of 2015. we actually went on skid row and counted the number of homeless people, counted them and determined which ones are veterans and which ones aren't. we got those who are veterans into urgent care. we are making progress on housing veterans. >> mr. secretary, you understand the scrutiny comes from this being a very high bar. these are the men and women we have to help the most. i'm not talking to you as head of united health care. i'm talking to you as the head of a system that we want to ensure that's the best there is. >> i'm a veteran. >> i know you are. >> if there's one veteran on the

streets any given night, that's one too many. >> you know what the reaction will be. >> it's a high bar and we need to deliver. >> you know what the scrutiny will be. they went to skid row in l.a. and they think they have their hands around the homeless situation, what's good and what's bad? >> we want that high bar. that's why we publish our information on the internet every two weeks. we opened it up to scrutiny. he we want the scrutiny. that will help us get better. i want to hear from veterans, i want to know what we have to do to improve. that's what customer service is all about. that's the business i've been in for 40 years. >> in august, there were more than 8,000 requests for care that had wait times longer than 90 days. you know that's unacceptable. let me ask you this, instead of beating you over the head with what's wrong, how do you make it right? what do you still need? what still needs to happen that we can come together as a society and make right? >> we're in the midst of our

most aggressive transformation ever. we call it my v.a. because we want every veteran to think of the v.a. as their own. there are five strategies, number one put the veteran at the center of everything we do, provide delightful experiences for the veteran. number two, provide good experiences for employees. we have to take care of employees if they're going to take care of veterans. number three, improve internal support services. some of our i.t. systems date back to the 1970s and '80s. number four, create a culture of continuous improvement, number five, create strategic partnerships. last night i was at the woodrow foundation in new york. it was an opportunity to celebrate the partnership we created with them. all that needs legislation. we've met with members of congress, given them a long list of legislation we need to get this done. the president reiterated that last night. and we need that legislation because it's congress that says what the benefits are the veteran gets and it's congress

that gives us the money. if those two don't match, which is what happened in 2014, we have a real problem. >> i was with you there last night at the woodruff foundation. we'll be talking about it later in the show. i want to thank you for your service as a vet an and what you're doing for veterans. it's something we need to focus on every day, not just veterans day. we'll stay on this story, please, look to us to let us know what impediments there are to progress. >> thank you, chris. happy veterans day. >> thank you, sir. michaela? while the republican kanss were battling it out on the debate stage, late-night comics had fun the their expense. what if one piece of kale

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>> a higher minimum wage would actually backfire he said. >> every time we raise the minimum wage, the number of jobless increases. >> not exactly. we looked up those numbers in 1997 the minimum wage rose and unemployment fell steadily each month several years. and it's happened soefrl times as well. on top of that economists debate the relationship. and fight are for $15 all taking to the street. new york's governor andrew cuomo just announced a $15 minimum wage for all state workser there. how high? it's different around the count ary by republicans don't like it. >> thanks for fact checking that

for us christine. meanwhile, on the late night shows they made for pretty great punch lines. even the president didn't esc e escape. >> jeb bush said if he could travel back in time he would kill hitler as a baby, adding "you got to step up man." and it's comments like those that have a lot of people telling jeb, "you got to step down, man." >> president obama has a personal facebook page wh where he says he wants to have real conversations about issues. in other words he's new to facebook. what is he talking about? >> i thought it was just to call each other fat. >> donald trump is thinking about boycotting starbuck's because merry christmas isn't printed on the red holiday cup. >> everything should have one of two things written on it, merry christmas and my name. fair enough.

i agree wit. >> the facebook comment is one you made yesterday. >> i believe somebody may have stole my line. >> it was funny when they said it. >> i know it was funnier. >> no it was funny. >> mine was poignant. >> oh that's good. it cauterized opinions on the sushl. >> don't inveigle me. meanwhile a heated exchange between jindal and christie last night.

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we either have a country or we don't have a country. >> come on, folks, we all know you can't pick them up and ship them back across the border. it is a silly argument. >> either they win or we win. we better take this risk seriously. >> i would not be talking to vladimir putin right now. >> i think it is particularly naive and foolish to think that we're not going to talk too russia. >> you think defending this nation is expensive. try not defending it. >> i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about.

>> we to have to win the presidency. and the way you do is practical plans. >> hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton. >> what hillary clinton is talking about doing. hillary clinton is coming for your wallet everybody. good morning. welcome to "new day." talking about how much my mother loves john berman. only person she loves more. veterans, thank you men and women and your families for the sacrifice and service. it is wednesday 8:00 in the east. and we saw something last night you don't see a lot in a political debate -- substance. issues. candidates clashing on real topics like immigration, national security, the minimum wage. >> among the big questions beforehand, would jeb bush have a bounceback performance and how would ben carson handle questions about his past? cnn's john burman is here with some answers. what did you see? >> they all won. seriously. they a all achieved what they wanted.

they went out and executed. and what we saw were real fault lines on real issues of policy. >> fewer candidates on stage? yes. more policy? maybe. less tension? not a chance. >> come on focus we all know you can't pick them up and ship them back across the order. it is a silly argument. >> john kasich blasting donald trump's build a wall immigration plan. donald trump blasting back. >> built an unbelievable company worth billions and billions of dollars. i don't have to hear from this man. believe me. >> immigration was a central topic. jeb bush worried about the mass deportation message. >> they are doing high fives in the clinton campaign right now when they hear this. >> ted cruz disagreed. >> if republicans joined democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose.

>> foreign policy, also a flash point between candidaes, including a rand paul sighting. >> i know that varand is a committed isolationist. >> how is it consive to add a trillion dollar expenditure you are not paying for. >> a no-love lost exchanged with marco rubio. >> i know the world is a safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. >> i do not think we are any safer from bankruptcy court. >> jeb bush admitted he had to show up big and he was certainly a bigger presence than before. >> thank you donald for allowing me to speak at the debate. that is really nice of you. i appreciate that. >> he butted heads with donald trump on isis. >> if putin wants to go and knock the hell out of isis i am all for it. 100%. >> donald is wrong on this. he is absolutely wrong on this. we're not going to be the world's policemen. but we sure as heck better be

the world's leader. >> donald trump continued to sit back on the debate stage though hid did answer recent media questions about. >> i thank you for not asking what i said in the tenth grade. i appreciate that. i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. and then putting that out there as truth. >> marco rubio and ted cruz continue to show their debate stage polish with notable one-liners. >> there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. and not a one of them is as good. >> for the life of me i don't know why we have stigmatized vocational education. -- make more money than philosophers. we need more welders and less philosophers. >> and carly fiorina and donald trump with new proof they will not be friends. >> he quit talking -- >> can i finish with my time.

>> she -- >> why does she keep interrupting everybody? >> there were sparks too in the undercard debate. just demoted chris christie tried to turn the focus to hillary clinton -- a lot. >> hillary clinton -- >> hillary clinton. >> wait till you see what hillary clinton will do to this country -- >> bobby jindal focuses on chris christie saying he did the bear minimum as the conservative governor of njds. jindal said christie deserves a participation ribbon and a juice box. >> thank you for explaining that punch line to us. >> punch? juice? ha ha. that is good cauterizing. >> we are joined by new jersey governor chris christie. good morning governor. how you feeling? >> i'm feeling great this morning, how are you alisyn?

>> i'm doing well. what did you think about your performance last night? >> well listen, i felt like i did what i always do. i come out, i speak my mind. i mean what i say. i say what i mean and i keep my eye on the wall which is winning the election next november. i'm not running just to be the republican nominee. i want to be the president of the united states and in order to do that i'm going to have to beat hillary clinton and that is what i intend to do. >> governor, you of course were rel gated to the undercard debate, and at the time i'm sure that must have felt like a bit of a demotion. except that now the numbers are in and it seems to have a worked for you. this is the number of minutes that the candidates on the main stage got. the most went to ted cruz. he got 13:35. then kasich, 11:51 trump, and fiorina. according to a new jersey radio station, 101.5, you got roughly 14 minutes.

you had the most speaking time of any candidate. maybe you should always be in the under card debate. >> well alisyn, as i told you all after that decision was made, i'll debate anyone any time anywhere. and i said at the time i didn't think it would matter. that if i did what i needed to do which is to communicate my message clearly and i have the opportunity do it i would do just fine. and i think last night is another example. so we're going to debate any time anybody wans us to. i care deeply about the issues and i know how to communicate them to the american people. >> fact checkers as always is the case after a debate. sort of burn the midnight oil checking what the candidates said. and there was one of your comments on the affordable care act that is being questioned. so let me play that exchange for you. >> i'm the only candidate running that refused to expand medicaid. i'm the only one that turned down that did what we could to fight obamacare. >> listen, we stopped obamacare in new jersey because we refused to participate in the federal

exchange. >> so the governor, the fact checkers that is not true. you said you did not stop obamacare in new jersey. in fact there are 200 thousand new jersey residents who have gone through healthcare dot governor and signed up for affordable care act. d >> the state of new jersey is not participating. that is what i said and that is the truth. there are other states who have selected a state-based exchange that they run and they have ultimately been huge failures. we said no to obamacare's desire to have the state government take responsibility in everything that happens in obamacare but no say over the cost and the management. i put a stop to having our state participate. but the federal government is free to have anyone participate

they want. >> and you said we o stopped obamacare in new jersey but you didn't because you can't as a governor stop your residents from signing up on the federal website. >> we stopped -- alisyn. you would make a really excellent lawyer trying to parse words. let me be clear again. my responsibility as governor is whether the state participates in obamacare or it doesn't. and that is what i said last night. we did not participate in obamacare because we don't. the state does not. i vetoed two bills trying to get us to do that. there is nobody who believes that we are participating in obamacare as the state government, new jersey. you know that and i know it. so let's move on. >> one more point on this. you did announce you would also accept the federal mandate for medicaid in state. since then the medicaid enrollment has increased 36%. why that choice if you really wanted to stop anything with the federal government and

obamacare? >> because we've reformed medicaid in new jersey. we've moved to managed care system and saving money and it is what's best for the people of new jersey. here is what people need to know about me. i'm not going to make these decisions based on the politics. medicaid when we've been able to reform it has been better and it was better for the people of the state of new jersey. i'm not going to make my decisions based upon politics. i'm going to make it based upon policy. it is what was best for the people of new jersey. and that the way i'll always make my decisions and way i'll make them as president of the united states. >> and let me show you what hillary clinton has said about this and the affordable care act. healthcare should be a right not a just a privilege. republicans who want to repeal the aca should try telling that to the 18 million people who have healthcare coverage because of it. so governor what do you say to the 18 million people who would

then lose their healthcare if you repealed it? >> what i say to the 330 million people of america is grab on to your wallet. because hillary clinton's next move is going to be to have universal healthcare, a singer payor system with the government taking over the whole healthcare system. that is what she and her socialist friend brernds going to advocate for and i'm going to be there to stop it. the fact is she would go to the a state-based market solution. remember something t big lie in the first time was if you like your doctor, you can keep him. if you like your health plan you can keep it. and premiums will go down. premiums have gone up. people lost the healthy plans they liked and they don't get to keep their doctor. i don't think we should be listening to the hillary clinton or anybody from the obama administration about keeping promises. they haven't kept them. they lied to american people for political reasons and to expand the size of government and when i get in we will go to a state-based solution to let the people choose. not have big brother ghovt

making the choices of winners and losers. and i want to ask her this. if it is such a great deal, single payor and having the government run healthcare. then why do people from canada leave canada and come down here to get their healthcare? >> i'm sure you watched the main stage debate. what did you think and how did you think the campaign changes moving forward now as a result of last night? >> i don't think the campaign changes much as a result last night. i think what changes the campaign is how you are working on the ground. that is why when i'm done here we're going to head to aye ai and get back to work through the weekend in iowa and back next week to new hampshire. national polls and national debates are not what is going to decide this race. it is going to be your work on the ground in states like iowa and new hampshire. this is where i'm going to go back to work. that is where my message is being heard. and that is where i'm going to do very well in the caux and the primary.

>> governor christie. thanks so much fur taking time for "new day." >> happy to be back. >> donald trump is already in new hampshire. he is there for a political rite of passage. hosting a politics and eggs event. cnn's jeff zeleny is in manchester and i'm guessing don't expect any starbuck's at the event this morning, jeff. >> i do not see any starbuck's here. but i can tell you the smell of bacon is filling the room here. and it smells pretty good. this is a traditional new hampshire event but it is usually a smaller event. you can see behind me here more than 640 people have registered to come to this breakfast to hear donald trump speak. of course he believes he is on something of a victory lap after last night's debate. he believes he had one of the strongest performances and certainly took on a more serious tone. but the key question here as he reaches out here, will that stick? or is he going to go back to pre

debate donald trump taking on ben carson and the others? we're about to find out in a few moments as he gets under way and starting speaking here. but what governor christie was saying he'll in in iowa and then new hampshire. donald trump is in new hampshire and then going to iowa. so we're about to see a lot of crisscrossing here as they have more than one month to the next debate on cnn on december 15th. >> we'll be interested to hear what comes out of event. enjoy yourself and see if you can get a side of bacon for yourself. severe weather is set to batter the nation's midsection today. parts of illinois, missouri and iowa are expected to bear the brunt of it. the storm packing torrential rain and damaging wind with a threat of tornado does in some places. officials are warning people to pay tx to the weather and take cover if needed. an investigation is under way y

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hillary clinton was a bit of a pint pinata last night. with that said they decided to trade ideas not barbs. and joining us cnn commentator to president a bam. the ax.

david ax. >> i'm sure they tried to have a decorous debate than the last affair with cnbc and the result was very issue oriented. look, i don't think this debate as much as the last debate made much of a difference. i don't think it changed much. what was interesting about it was i think there were portents of things to come. rand paul's attack on marco rubio over his proposed child care tax credit. ted cruz's notion that if we imitate democratic proposals for amnesty we're going to lose on immigrati immigration. i think you are beginning to see a divide in the debate that is going to define the rest of the campaign. is the republican party going to be a hard right party oar are the governing conservatives going to prevail?

and that is going to be the question resolved over the next few months. >> it wasn't just a dry debate. there were heated exchanges between the candidates. including one between rand paul and marco rubio about military spending. and whether or not that truly is a conservative value. let me play this for you. >> and yes i do want to rebuild the american military. i know that rand is a committed isolationist. i'm not. stronger and better place -- united states is the strongest military power in the world. [ applause ] -- >> how is it conservative to add a trillion dollar expenditure to the government you are not paying for -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> how is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditures? you cannot be conservative if you are going to keep promoting new programs you are not going to pay for. >> that was an interesting moment. who do you think got the upper hand? >> i think rand paul made a mistake. he had a two part attack. the first was a trillion dollars

for child care tax credits which probably doesn't play well with the republican base. the second was on military spending which gave rubio the opportunity to choose the one he wanted to respond to and he responded to that and it allowed him to give his tough on defense military spending answer. which i think resonates more with the republican base. he got a big hand for his answer. but i actually think the first part of the question is going to be a vulnerability for him in the primaries going forward because republicans are less receptive to the notion of giving tax credits to the poor and to the working poor. so, you know, i think rand paul made a mistake by loading up his question. and i think rubio actually came out on top on the answer. >> you always want to keep your attacks tight when you are in one of those debates. you also never want to lose contact with the camera which is something that rand paul was doing. you have to remember you are trying to connect with people. >> he turnsd to face the

opponent. >> but we want to see them looking at us when you are home. that is the theory of it. hillary clinton, you are talking about what's going to play out later. she certainly got her due last night as a specter of what happens if we screw this up on the gop side. chris christie i would submit did it most eloquently and heavily last night. here is how. >> wait till you see what hillary clinton will do to this country and how she will drown nus debt. she is the real adversae rary tonight. it's hard to even see her anymore. secretary clinton says there's no crisis at the v.a. that sends a long and hard message she doesn't get and she doesn't respect their service. i saw the most disgraceful thing i've seen this entire campaign. she was asked the enemy she's most proud of and she said republicans. >> he did miss that she laughed when someone suggested choking carly fiorina yesterday whechbs

in new hampshire. but otherwise he seemed to check all all of the boxes for the gop motivations. >> he did that consistently in the undercard debate. the only person who consistently went after hillary clinton in the other debate was jeb bush. and i think it is because he is more comfortable attacking her than he is facing off with his fellow republicans. i thought in the second debate she got off lightly. and she's going to come in for greater criticism later. but, you know, they are beginning to focus on each other now. that is pretty clear to me. they are getting down to the short straws here. and they are beginning to try and draw distinctions among themselves. to me on the republican side, the interesting question is do cruz and dr. carson continue -- not cruz. do trump and carson continue to get somewhere near half the vote? is the republican party so antiestablishment that they want

the non politicians? or do they fade and do rubio and cruz rise? and i think those are the two scenarios we're looking at here. one or the other. >> that is interesting. so do you think that anything shifted last night because of the undercard? did christie sort of leapfrog back into the main stage? or do you think anybody changed on the main stage going forward? >> this is an untested proposition. we've seen people rise from the under card to the big debate. we've never seen anybody go from the big to the little and back to the big debate. i don't know if he's played himself back on. i thought he had a very good debate performance last time and he ended up getting demoted. i don't know how much doing well will benefit him. i don't know how many people actually watched that debate. it could have been the greatest performance no one ever saw. >> poignant. >> he was on this morning. he believes any exposure is

going to be good for him. i think ax made a good point. when they are going to be focusing on each other you are going to see distinctions that so far have been invisible. >> we're seeing that with immigration, foreign policy. >> they have to decide who they are as a party as well and that's going shape the candidate. what do you think? do you agree with mr. axelrod or not? if not, tweet using #new day cnn. you thought -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> but i didn't. >> i love the mumbling between you two. so fascinating. i hear it all. trust me. who comes out the winner from the latest debate? we're going discuss it next. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all, my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be.

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republican candidates focusing mostly on the issues. a number of tense exchanges. focused on immigration, national security and the minimum wage. the fbi foiling an aalleged plot. officials say these two now in

custody were trying to ignite a race war. authorities trying to work out what caused a small plane to crash into an ohio apartment complex. reports at least nine people on board the plane died. no one on the ground injured. egyptian officials confirming the ntsb will join the investigation of metro joet flight 9268. individuals with the latest intelligence tell cnn jihadists likely planted a bam with a timer on the plane. on this veterans day the president will call on congress to pass sweeping new laws to help veterans men and women, past and present. right now donald trump is following up on last night's debate by having his own politics and eggs event in manchester, new hampshire. let's see what he's talking about. >> can we call the election for tomorrow. in some countries the prime

minister, you know, if he's popular at the time says we are calling for our election on tuesday. i love that. maybe we can change the laws so we can do that. but we have about 90 days and that is not a lot. you know when we started this quest it was a year and a half. and then i said, all right. will i do it? will i do it? you know it takes a lot of courage to do it. it really does. it is hard. it is a hard thing do. especially, you know, all my life i've heard if you are a successful person, if you are a very successful person you knts run for the office of president. the scrutiny, the difficulty, the horror show. your family gets so exposed and, you know, they have never done this before. and i've never been a politician before. i've dealt with politicians all my life. i love dealing with politicians but i've never done this before. and who would have thought this was going to happen, in all fairness. but people see what's going on. and you know my family has been so good. in fact i brought my two sons?

where are they? come on up here. i have to show off my sons. i'm proud of them. this is don junior. and eric. [ applause ] come on say couple of -- hey. you know, i flew in. i had about an hour and a half of sleep. so do you know what i say to my boys? say a few words. >> great to be here thank you so much -- >> you are listening to donald trump's sons talk about him in an impromptu call to the podium. i'm sure they really appreciated that moment that he called them up. trump of course is in new hampshire this morning at this breakfast event. and he just talked about how little sleep le got last night. so was he the winner? what did he do last night in the debate? our political panel will be here, including anna navarro on

jeb bush's performance. stick around.

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last night the eight leading republicans went head-to-head on the mainly stage. who won? and did jeb bush accomplish what he had to? let's bring in our panel of commentators. anna navarro, a bush supporter and good friend of marco rubio. i think it's fair to say after the other debates in the past weeks you were sort of glum the

following morning. how are you feeling this morning? >> sleepy but not glum. i think jeb did what he had to do. he stopped the bleeding. he is off life support. it was a nerve wracking night for those of us who support him. had he gone on that stage and sucked wind again like he did in the last one it would have rough and ugly. he didn't. he i think was forceful. he answered the questions. he was good on policy. he had a very good debate. the best he's had out of the four debates so far. when he really needed it. so i was very happy with his performance. >> so then we get to the big issue of the night which was arguably immigration, se. and you saw donald trump representing one side, cruz representing another side and then rubio and others being whatted they would call more reasonable about it in their own words. let's play what donald trump did last night. gave his best defense why his

plan is the best. >> let me just tell you that dwight eisenhower, good president, great president. people liked him. i like ike, the expression. i like ike. moved million and a half illegal immigrants out of this country. moved them just beyond the border they came back. moved them again. they came back. didn't like it. moved them way south. they never came back. >> do you want that to be the analogy for the gop in terms of why you should take immigrants and put them back the way eisenhower did? >> no. look, anyone, you know, who wants to go back in history and research what was called as operation wetback will see it was incredibly inhumane. it might have been effective momentarily but it certainly snoultd be the model. and i think what jeb bush did really well last night was outline how impossible it is to

return 11 million people humanely. if we don't care about them at all i'm sure we could dump them somewhere like eisenhower did. but it is really impractical and not the way to win the nomination either. that is why his reference to hillary clinton and the democrats sort of high fiving was right on. donald trump i thought didn't land that punch last night as he's capable. he had bush and kasich pile oinn his immigration point. and i just don't think he was able to effectively land that punch last night. >> let's listen to bush's retort and how he said donald trump's plan is so untenable. listen to this. >> 12 million illegal immigrants, to send them back, 500,000 a month is just not possible. and it is not embracing american values. and it would tear communities apart. and it would send a until that

we're not the kind of country that i know america is. >> he stole that point from kasi kasich. which is exactly what people wanted to see more. >> and george pataki was not on either stage last night but he had been drumming that line since he got in the race as well. >> i'm so glad somebody noticed what george pataki was drumming. >> i've been paying attention. >> i actually on the immigration thing yesterday i saw something i found really interesting. and it was ted cruz trying to parse the words and make a distinction between himself and donald trump. it tells me that ted cruz thinks he might actually get this, have a chance at this. and he knows he's got a real big problem with hispanics, despite the fact that his name is rafael and he that he is the son of a cuban immigrant. >> ben, you have been very patient. what jumped out at you?

>> it's all grave for you. >> well, first of all i love the fact that the republicans are spending this much time trying to figure how much they don't like the immigrant community. how exactly should they get rid of them? should they? this is great for democrats. mitt romney said self deportation and flushed himself down the toilet. you have donald trump bragging on the wetback policy? that is the most offensive policy in american history for millions of americans. the fact that you have to have kasich open the door for bush to get in and i thought valiantly but quite weakly say geez, could we not help hillary clinton? could we try to be humane. i thought it was very good. the other thing was attack the media. this was the payoff for two weeks of whining and complaining by republicans. the moderators didn't ask basic

follow-up questions on economic points. you have ted cruz talking about the gold standard and there is no follow-up question? ? the media cowed by this whine offensive last night. >> maybe i'm jaded but it seemed like the goal last night is what you are supposed to do. . don't look to me to negotiate your problems. talk about it with each other. i'm going to give you the topic. how did you see it. >> and the best moments of last night's debate were when the candidates engaged each other and debated. we've sort of forgotten that a debate involves a conversation between two people. these debates have become more like soliloquies. the moments when rand paul and rubio and trump and fiorina were talking about isis and foreign policy to each other really laid out the best contrast on that issue. and then later kasich -- kasich

and cruz on dodd-frank. and later fiorina came in for a punctuation as she does so well. those are great moments. i wish we could find more opportunities in these so called "debates" to let the candidates actually debate each other without making it a cage match, without saying trump go after cruz. i don't think you need to do that to let those great moments happen. >> i totally grae with s.e. and i thought last night the moderators did a good job not provoking exchanges and fights but in allowing good exchanges between the candidates. and i do think it was a result of what we saw from cnbc. i think they really put an effort in themselves not being protagonists on the stage and letting the protagonists be the eight people there debating, which is the way it should be. >> as the democrat who scared you the most last night. >> i'm always most concerned about rubio. he can sometimes come across a

little too slick or polished and sometimes lit too nervous. but fundamentally he shows a level of strength. listen, if you put a rubio and a kasich together on the ticket, whoever is on top or bottom. you get florida, you get ohio right off the bat. that is devastating for democrats. i just hope the republican base is just too off on this -- to do something that smart. rubio is still everybody's second choice. and you watch him. he's actually improving. you saw that exchange between him and ted cruz. ted cruz is one of the smartest people in american politics. this guy went in front of the supreme court a zillion times. he went toe to toe with rubio. rubio won. that is very scary if you are a democrat saying this guy against hillary clinton? i don't know. >> aren't you supposed to want the best person, not just the person -- >> no. i want to win. >> we like the candor this morning. thanks so much. you know look, why we do these stories and why we follow

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head kizsy from the spin are you? don't worry about it. guess who we have now. real people not. more pundits. we've done enough of that. all about you at the end of the day. let's bring in marco rubio supporter, a jeb bush supporter and a ben carson supporter. everybody has said a little bit open. what is the pronunciation of your last night. >> pin-yun. >> lets get a couple big moments from last night and get your reactions. let's play the first. >> let me just tell you that dwight eisenhower -- good president, great president. people liked him.

i like ike, the expression. i like ike. moved a million and a half illegal immigrants out of this country. moved them just beyond the border they came back. moved them again. they came back. didn't like it moved them way south. they never came back. >> all right. now what did that mean to you when you heard it? you are leaning a little towards rubio. immigration is a huge issue. he, rubio is more on the practical well we can't just get rid of everybody side. that is trump's side. that's what's made the issue for him. whether did you think. >> trump's parents were immigrants. how would he have felt this they were taken out? >> he'd say they are here legally and not illegally and that is the difference. >> i don't think it is fair. we have many good immigrants and what we need is to offer them a way to get from illegal to legal status. not offer them voters rights.

offer them the opportunity that america has. >> so not a free pass but something that takes us in that direction. joseph. >> you know actually it is funny i was talking to my god daughter and she's telling me about how, you know, every time apparently every time a child laughs a fairy is porn. and i think every time donald trump opens his mouth a new liberal is born and -- >> jeb bush said it is not the humane way do it and it is not prablgt cal. do you accept that? >> i think we need to be talking about not being hard on immigrants but being smart on immigration and that is something that governor bush has really done a good job trying to espouse throughout his campaign. and i think again when you talk with that type of rhetoric and divisive language trump has used -- >> look at the polls. the only one close to him is not your guys. it is your guy, dr. carson.

you had a little more of a challenge than the other two was a dr. carson doesn't exactly dominate in a debate. what did you hear last night that made sense to you? >> as far as imcalibration is concerned, obviously it is a big issue. i think we have to address nit a humane way but at the same time we have to uphold the laws of the u.s. >> how do you do both? if you are not here. you are undocumented, you are breaking the law. the law says go. what else do you do? like a sickness. if i have a cold i can't just come to the doctor and say hey i need medicine. i need to actually address the actual cause of what's causing my cold. so it is the same thing with immigration. you can't just attack, you know, immigrants. you can't just attack latin americans. you have to attack the immigration system itself. it has to be fixed. >> here is the next piece of sound. ted cruz, very strong also on immigration but with nuance compared to trump. he talks more about the law and

what you have to do as a party, the gop to stay competitive in this ways on this issue. take a listen. >> it is a bunch of people with journalism degrees were coming over and driving down the wages in the press -- [ laughter ] [ applause ] -- then we would see stories about the economic calamity that is befalling our fact. >> all right. that was my mother applauding. nobody likes the press. the point is this, he's suggesting that immigrants take jobs lower, the number of jobs lower, the wages here. do you believe that? >> no. i don't believe because many immigrants come here with educations, with degrees. >> most come overstay visas and therefore become undocumented. don't run across the border. joseph when you hear that it is scary. they are coming here taking our jobs. >> obviously it appeals to you are a less irangels the i think

the important thing for us as americans to remember is first we are a nation of laws but you can't stand on princele with the -- we have not dealt with some of the issues as pertains to actually getting the economy going and we know statistically speaking that mass deportation would lead to a tremendous adverse impact on gdp. >> did just say you can't stand on principle with sulleyed hands and that principled spirit? >> -- >> line of the day. final thought. are you going move at all on this issue? it is not what dr. carson owns but is it e shaping your opinion at all? >> right. . no not at all. when it comes to immigration i'm very conservative. i do believe that we have to maintain and uphold the law. as far as jobs are concerned, listen, you have millions of americans who were born here who can't even find a job. it is veterans day. you have millions of americans

who actually fought overseas. they are having a hard time going over sool. i think we need to prioritize our people before we we start taking other people into consideration. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. coming up next, the good stuff. woman: it's been a journey to get where i am. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all, my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. every someday needs a plan. let's talk about your old 401(k) today.

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all right. the real good stuff today. it is veterans day. once again thank you our fighting men and women and your families. thank you for your service and sacrifice. last night was the 240th birthday of the marines. i was at the stand up for heroes event. annual gala put on by bob wo woodruff foundation. and now they try to help other veterans and so much more. take a listen. >> and now we're working more long-term issues that we need to deal with.

and we are now raising the money the attention and then getting it to the best organizations that are trying to fix that. >> they were all great last night and all for the cause. the red carpet is all wounded warriors. >> great event. thanks for sharing it with us. >> and here east carol costello in newsroom. >> newsroom starts now. happening now in the newsroom, wages. >> welders make more money than philosophers. >> immigration. >> we need borders. we will have a wall. the wall will be built. the wall will be successful. >> america's role in the world. >> we are not going to be