record "outfront" to watch us at any time. we'll be back here again same time, same place tomorrow night. "ac 360" with anderson cooper begins now. >> good evening. thanks for joining us. donald trump is not backing down from his promise if elected to round up and deport 11 million people living in this country illegally and president obama is weighing in, as well. as you know, trump says he would establish a deportation force to do the job. he says his plan would be effective, humane and would pass legal muster and some have doubts or parts and others take exception of making mass deportations of hispanic people, the center piece of a campaign and many democrats looking at the demographics of recent general elections and hopes trump keeps talking about this. john kasich confronted donald trump on it and erin burnett questioned him about it but not before he took a shot at ben carson that also people are

talking about tonight. >> he said he's pathological, other people said he said in the book and i haven't seen it, i know it's in the book that he's got a pathological temper or temperament. that's a big problem because you don't cure that. that's like i could say, they say as example, child molester. you don't cure these people. you don't cure a child molester. >> so i want to ask you about the immigration going on out there. you put immigration front and center in the gop conversation. >> you wouldn't be talking about immigration if it wasn't for me. >> you put it on the table and criticized heavily at debate, right, kasich, jeb bush -- >> they are weak people. excuse me, they are weak people. i watched jeb today. they are weak people and kasich made a fool of himself in the debate. >> the question i'm asking, though, how do you take 11 million people and make them move? >> through a process --

>> but they don't want to leave, you have to hire people to find them and get them -- >> first of all, they are here illegally. if a person is across the boarder and the border patrol sends them back. there isn't a court situation -- >> yes, but what about -- >> excuse me. >> what's the difference about somebody that m ccomes over the border for two days? there is no difference. illegal immigration costs between 200 and $300 billion. i don't know if anyone gives you those numbers, probably not. when you include crime and other problems, it's more than that. between 200 and 300 billion the way it is now. >> but they pay in taxes -- >> who pays in taxes? do you believe -- >> they pay social security, state and local. >> yeah, what percentage of them? 10%. >> it's 24 billion a year -- >> excuse me. excuse me. do you know how few pay taxes, erin. don't be naive. >> so on this point about humanity, though, are you going

to be sending in officers -- >> we'll send in people -- >> very nice -- >> to get them out? >> we'll give notice and say you have to go back to wherever the country is. it will be all different countries. >> donald trump there talking to erin burnet tonight and here is president obama talking to geor george. >> imagine the images flashed around the screen as we're dragging parents away from their children and putting them in, what, defense centers and systematically sentiding them o. nobody thinks that's realistic but not what we are as americans. >> joining us now is paul, sheriff of arizona outside phoenix and andy dean worked personally for donald trump for seven years and the former president of trump productions and cnn political commentator maria cardona, advisor out 2008 hillary clinton campaign. sheriff, let's start with you. you're a republican and running

for congress. does donald trump's plan of a so-called deportation force to do this humanely physically removing some 11 million people, is that logistically feasible? >> it's logistically difficult and i think that where we should start and where the focus should be on everybody should agree is on the criminal element, a small minority of these illegals that are committing very serious crimes that have not been deported and that's where a lot of this anger is coming from and we should focus on that is target the tens of thousands, not the 12 to 20 million illegals here but focus on these folks and deport them legitimately out of our country never to return again and that's where i'm angry about that, as well. they are releasing and not just from mexico. they are from countries of interest. we had right here in arizona one from sudan. one from iraq. one from russia and this russian

murderer, they released into my county and then tell me two weeks after. that's the problem here. the entire system is broken for i immigration. there is no consequence and therefore, there is no law. >> andy, you know the criticisms not just from president obama, from some republicans, as well. we hear from john kasich it's basically si impossible to physically remove 11 million or however many undocumented of illegal immigrants in this country. to that, what do you say? >> first, we know john kasich is barely even a candidate. his poll numbers are so low. that guy is grasping at straws. as far as illegal immigration, we know it's a crime and i agree with the sheriff we'll go after the criminals first. donald trump has a plan, and that's to build a wall with a big door to let good people back in legally and if you're here illegally, that's a crime when you commit a crime in this country, you get punished and i think it's hispanic americans most in favor of this actually

because they hate illegal immigration because they are the ones suffering whether in the united states when you're suffering when illegal immigrants create crimes or if you're overseas and you happen to be hispanic and want to get into the united states legally, they can't because people are line cutting and line cutters need to be deported because they are criminals. >> maria, the idea of a so-called deportation force, you've heard from president obama and hillary clinton criticizing donald trump but republican voters frankly don't care a lot about that criticism and to andy's point, this is something very popular, donald trump surged in the polls because of his position on this. >> it is very popular within the republican right wing base, anderson, and i think this is exactly the challenge that the republican party is facing going into a primary process where those right wing voices are the loudest and yes, the angriest and are the ones that will come out to vote in the primaries, but then when you get to a general election where there are more sensible voices out there,

you have general main stream americans including the whole lot of latino voters who by the way, do not agree with this, do not like trump. he has a unfavorable among latinos of over 80%, the one good thing that donald trump is doing with latino voters is actually mobilizing them and getting them to register to come out and vote and they will come out in record numbers next year. his plan is absolutely unworkable when you talk about illegal immigration and focussing on the criminal element, this is what president obama has been doing for the last two years with discretion and would have been what could have been done with a bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform which is the solution most americans support. >> that's not true -- >> andy -- andy, you know the democrats are going to use that term deportation force, they will run commercials about it. i mean, are you worried beyond the logistics, are you worried

about the perception of what it may do in a general election to the republican candidate? >> anderson, when pun dents like marie say latinos are anti trump when that's not the case. when you look at republican latinos like the state of nevada they are protrump and it's a misrepresentation in the media the general population not paying attention to the political campaign, when they pay attention four to six months from now, they will realize trump's message is on point and illegal immigration is a major problem and la ttinos will be t major beneficiary when we have a proper process where people can come to the country. anderson, right now we only allow less than three-quarters of 1 million americans to come into this country and we have over 12 million here illegally. we need to fix the problem so we can have more people come illegally because it's the light blood of this country and the people who commit the crimes need to go starting with gang

members. >> so anderson, if i could -- >> well, hold on. let me get the sheriff. sheriff, i understand your point about targeting criminals first. that obviously makes a lot of sense and you don't want people here attacking other people, hurting other people, but the idea of a deportation force, which is the term that's now being tossed around, to you as not only as a republican but american, what do you -- do you worry about the effect that would have on the republican party in a general election when used by the democrats? >> look, this is a problem. this didn't happen overnight or just with barack obama. it's exacerbated because of him but this happened under republicans, as well. this has gone on for decades. the last time in '86 it was president regan who signed for 2 million illegals to get citizen ship and everybody thinks every illegal wants citizen ship. only half of them took it. the other half wanted to work

here. we got here. i'm not supportive of people getting here illegally. i'm fighting against it every day but it's not helpful when the president to the point made earlier saying the president has been deporting all these criminals, the fact is he hasn't and that's why we're in this fight here where people are so angry. 67,000 criminal illegals, the violent ones have been released into our community and we've got guys like grant who wanted to be a deputy with my agency who was shot right beneath his left eye, executed by a criminal illegal who had raped and did a home invasion and this guy was out on the lamb to commit other crimes and nobody should be for this and this is what has happened. the rule of law is undermined. if we could have a little bit of both, we're not going to build a great wall of mexico and i'm combat in the army, we need 700

miles of border, not 2,000 miles -- >> we got to leave it there. maria, quickly. >> i complete agree that criminal undocumented immigrants should absolutely be deported and comprehensive immigration bill would have done that. pol politically, republicans need 42% of the white house vote to win that. they are not where near that. >> we'll get that. >> we'll look at the numbers. maria, andy, sheriff, as well. coming up next, we'll look more hard numbers on what we've been talking about, the political impact and a case being made by ted cruz and others that are tough line on this and other conservative issues would help not hurt republicans next november. also, we have breaking news, suicide bombers taking dozens of lives. was isis behind it? how something this terrible might have been far, far worse. >> he was tasered again and again. why has the investigation

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. well, donald trump did more than push plans for deporting unauthorized immigrants but tried to push opponents buttons. he slammed marco rubio on

immigration reform. >> marco rubio is in favor of amnesty. he was a member of the gang of eight. he was always in favor of amnesty. he was in favor of people pouring into the country. then what happened is when people found that out, he sank like a rock in the water. >> ted cruz in the meantime had a warning for fellow republicans today, go soft on these issues he said and republicans will lose. you'll hear what marco rubio said and what appears to be ade a dilemma and alienate latinos. looking at the demographic, what is the winning strategy? john king has answers by the numbers for us. john, 2012 mitt romney and self-deportation and ted cruz talking about amnesty and donald trump proposing a deportation force. any evidence the results will be any different this time around? >> no, anderson and you can be sure democrats will say deportation force and you'll see it in an ad whether trump is the nominee or not.

numbers don't lie. let's look at the demographics. i'll give you the 2012 presidential election and over here you can see barack obama wins 52% to 47%. what happens? the percentage of the white vote was 72%. mitt romney got 52% of. that african americans 13%. the president wins 93%. latinos 10% of the electret for the first time in 2012. 71% for the president, 3% asian, 73%. if you add this up, blacks, la teenies and asians and it's a football game and run up 25, 30 points the first quarter and play the rest even way out you lose. just by comparison, 2004 the last time republicans won the white house, make the comparisons. white vote 77% down to 72 in 2012. african american vote went up. 2004 8%, 10% in 2012 and it will be a little bigger in 2016.

so the republicans whenever you think about the policy have a democratic crisis at the presidential level. >> and looking at the electret map, where is the immigration debate? where does it play out and latino vote, where does it make the biggest difference? >> let's pull back to the national map and go back to 2004. this is the last time, let me get that to change. the last time a republican won the presidency. george w. bush wins a close election 51-48 over john kerry. let's pick five states, george bush won nevada, used to be a swing state. george bush won new mexico used to be a swing state. george bush won colorado still a swing state. george bush won florida and george bush won virginia. why do it circle them? that's 2004. that's 2012. every one of them turns to blue. now watch this. we work in the census data. latinos in america, hard to see

yellow but all five states high latino population. nevada and new mexico are blue. they have turned because of the latino vote. florida, virginia and colorado, florida with a large latino population, it's smaller in colorado and even smaller in virginia but you have closely contested elections, anderson and the democrats are winning 67% of the latino vote, it changes the electoral map hugely in the democrat's favor. >> but cruiz says conservatives stay home and they adopt the same on immigration and other issues. is that true? >> not really. there is a big debate among republicans but carl said flatly it's not true. look, turn out was down in 2012 from 2008. so a lot of people say ah, conservatives didn't turn out but democratic turnout was down more if you go from 2008 to 2012. a lot of people point to the state of ohio and say, you know, if more republicans turned out,

romney would have won the state but if you look deep into the numbers, it's simply not true. if you look at the 2016 exit, 2012 exit polls for example, the percentage of the e elect trit was up. the math isn't there. republicans are kidding themselves if they think they can win a presidential election and win a state like florida if they try to repeat numbers. this is florida with a high cuban population. different population 60-39. republicans are kidding themselves if they think they can get more white people to turn out. the math does not work. >> john, thanks very much. given the facts on the map, you can understand why a republican that wants to win the primary and general election might try to thread the needle. this is how marco rubio did it. >> i think both sides have points to make that are valid. we'll have to deport. if you don't enforce, what's the

point? people that haven't been here long will be deported. people over staying visa will be deported. that's how you enforce immigration laws. the flip side is i do not believe you can round occupy and deport 11 million people, especially people that have been here 15 years and not otherwise violated the law, can pass background checks and so forth and there has to be a process to deal with that realistically. >> it sounds a little bit like -- it sounds a little bit like you're trying to ride the middle line here. >> but it's not about a middle line. it's about reality. >> digging deeper now with rubio friend and bush supporter anna navarro and senior ocbama advisr dan pfeiffer. how does the republican party talk about a deportation force this fall to actually winning or doing better than last anytime with hispanic voters next fall? >> anderson, let's be fair. it's not the republican party talking about a deportation force. it is donald trump talking about a deportation force.

i haven't heard any other republican echo that message that he's been saying since the debate and that repeated today. what you're hearing from rubio, bush, chris christie, gram, from a large number of people in the field it's a very different message. look, the bottom line is that to solve the immigration problem, you're not going to have simplistic solutions. you're not going to have black and white solutions. it is a complex issue that has been building for decades now and it's going to take a comprehensive approach. this conversation, anderson, makes me cringe. i thought we learned the lesson in 2008. we didn't. i thought we learned the lesson in 2012. apparently we still haven't. >> dan, i mean, to anna's point and maybe unfair to paint all republicans with a broad brush on deportation force, but for the leading candidate, i mean, for certainly donald trump, he's doing very well by arguing just

that. >> well, donald trump is definitely reflecting the views of a large portion of the republican base. he -- it's -- he was in the middle of the polls and started talking about immigration and went to the top of the polls. the feelings in the base caused both rubio and bush the change positions on immigration. marco rubio was one of the gang of eight that passed barack obama's immigration bill in the senate and disvow that and george bush believed a path to citizen ship and endorsed the president's play in the senate and walked back. this is a huge problem because there is a real difference between republican strategists like anna who know what the republican party needs to do and what the voters want and if candidates that campaigned hardest against immigration reform are the ones doing best in the primary. >> anna, i mean, you can't deny that jeb bush, marco rubio, you know have started to walk back their earlier positions. >> it's a complicated issue. everybody walked back their

earlier position including hillary clinton who dan will remember in 2008 in a debate with barack obama said she wasn't even in favor of driver's licenses, and another one that backed away from his position was barack obama who promised to solve immigration in the first 100 days in his first year in office and didn't do so. when he had a democratic house and democrat senate. so it's one thing that people say in campaigns and then when you come to the harsh reality of what will pass muster in congress, it may be different than what you thought you would promise or what you thought you could deliver. i think jeb bush is taking a very pragmatic, honest look at it and trying to propose something he thinks will be able to pass and turn into law. >> yeah. >> we heard latinos, immigrants heard so many promises, big promises, high in the sky. we should be suspicious of anything and everything we hear from anybody because they have

been playing with us on this issue for decades now. >> well, dan, i mean, if the republican ticket has ted cruz or marco rubio on it, doesn't it make it tougher for democrats to paint republicans as anti immigrant? >> certainly not if ted cruz is on the given position on immigration. it's important to recognize in the 2012 election when we would do research on what hispanic voters around the country thought, immigration was a top issue and jeb bush's comment in self-deportation was a problem for him but his position on repealing -- >> mitt romney, dan. >> i'm sorry. sorry. mitt romney. his -- >> nice try, dan. [ laughter ] >> i think jeb bush would probably trade positions with mid romney at this point in 2011 but his position of repealing the affordable care act was a close second. there were issues with health care, economic issues where the

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there is more breaking news tonight, what we're learning about a deadly suicide attack in lebanon. two explosions injuring at least 200 others. isis claimed responsibility after an offshoot. as for today's attack, we want to warn you the images are tough to watch. jim sciutto has the latest. >> reporter: the explosion struck during the height of rush hour. on an open market just south of beirut coordinated, powerful and deadly. first, one suicide blast draws a crowd of onlookers and a second blast strikes that crowd maximizing casualties. a third bomber killed by the

blast before he could detonate his own explosive and a fourth was seen here taken away as security forces fire into the air to clear the crowd. this man said he was prying when the blast blew a door right over his head. the victims carried by bystanders over rubble from damaged buildings and rushed to nearby hospitals. >> a bomb, the twin suicide bombing went off. the area is mostly empty. it's been cordened off by the army, otherwise there is a lot of shattered glass on the street and blood and it's a scene of chaos and carnage. >> reporter: within hours, isis claimed responsibility. this neighborhood is a stronghold of hasballah fighting alongside bashar al-assad's. >> isil doesn't think of itself

as having borders. let's remember why you say isis i say isil, they say is the islamic state and try to establish a caliphate which means an islamic government covering all the areas where muslims live today in the world, and so, lebanon is just going to be seen as another battle field. >> reporter: the video of that arrest of the alleged fourth bomber was shown on lebanese television. cnn cannot confirm the authenticity but we're told of the arrest by sources. one of the bombers tried to get into a mosque first and anderson it appears to be more evidence of isis' ability to project it's power in iraq and syria. >> just another sickening attack. jim sciutto, thank you. questions of the repeated tasing of a virginia man that died in police custody two years ago. the video has just been released. why hasn't the top prosecutor wrapped it up. gary tuchman tracks her down.

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tonight we're digging deeper on the death of a 46-year-old virginia man in police custody, a death the coroner ruled accidental more than two years

ago. new videos surfaced as a result of a lawsuit and graphic images are raising questions able the case. they show linwood lambert in handcuffs being tased over and over in a hospital. the officers brought him for a psych investigation. still in the hands of the prosecutor two years later. we sent gary tuchman to track her down. >> reporter: acute cocaine intoxication. that's what the coroner who examined linwood lambert killed him after suffering cardiac arrest. not the multiple taser shots he received at the hands of three police officers in south boston, virginia. >> help me. >> reporter: could multiple tasering led to his death? that is under investigation and has been for a long, long time. the virginia state police says it started investigating this

case when it happened after a request from the south boston police chief. a spokesman for the state police says the investigation was completed in october 2013, two years and one month ago and the findings were sent to the commonwealth attorney for her review. after 25 months she is still reviewing. she is tracy quicken bush-martin who took office in december 2013 and since this story came to light has repeatedly said she does not want to speak on camera but today, she abruptly changed her mind. ms. commonwealth attorney, tell me why this has taken two years, this investigation. >> this is an extremely serious matter. it's one that requires extraordinary deliberation and it's imperative to me that i reach the correct decision not only the correct decision but in the correct way and in a way that inspires public confidence to the extent that that is possible. >> reporter: the prosecutor confirms the three police officers are still working with

the south boston police force. can i tell you for example, the commission with virginia state police investigated this for five months and gave you its findings. i mean, this doesn't seem like at it's base the most complicated case that should take more than two years. >> well, i do believe that it is a complex matter. i appreciate your concerns. telling you why it has taken as long as it is is something that i'm happy to talk about at the conclusion of the case but doing so now would necessarily reveal aspects of the investigation that are simply improper to talk about right now. >> reporter: we went to the south boston police station to ask about the three officers still working. hello there, i'm gary tuchman with cnn. i wanted to see if we could talk to the chief about the lambert case. we were told the chief did not want to make any comments to us.

>> don't kick your window! >> reporter: the commonwealth attorney doesn't want to say how much longer this investigation will take. she says she is not sweeping this under the rug. >> i'm being professional. i'm doing everything that needs to be done for the case. i'm leaving no stone left unturned and i hope the people and press will see that when it's over. >> gary joins us. so she's not willing to say how much longer it may take her to reach a decision? >> reporter: anderson, two years certainly is a long time and one of the questions i asked the commonweal commonwealth's attorney is could this take another two years and she told me i suppose in theory anything can happen, but that is certainly not my intent but no, she would not tell us a timetable. she said she is certainly looking at the video evidence but has a multitude of other evidence she has been looking at and will continue to look at. >> all right. gary, thanks very much. it took a lawsuit to force the release of the videos showing linwood lambert being tased.

his family saw that for the first time a couple weeks ago. joining me is his family. mr. lambert, you've been pushing the prosecutor for answers from the day your son died. when you hear her say she's leaving no stone urn tunturned, goes through your mind? do you believe her? >> no, i do not. if you look at the tapes and you could see clearly that she, if she saw these tapes, she would have come to a conclusion much quicker than what she has. >> adrian, the prosecutor says she wants to reach a correct decision in a way that inspires confidence to the extent it's possible. do you have confidence in this investigation? >> no, i do not. >> what about it doesn't give you confidence? >> it's over two and a half years, and it shouldn't take this long to find out why

someone died in police custody. cases like that should be brought to immediate attention because you have families and friends and co-workers who are concerned and want to know. it holds a person's life and you can't really do too much, think or even concentrate knowing that you're waiting for someone to press the button and say okay, i'm finished and that's not right and fair. >> mr. lambert, your family was given these videos after one of your daughters filed a civil suit this summer. at what point did your family feel like you weren't being told the truth or weren't being given information? point did you feel something was wrong? >> anderson, i think we started thinking something was wrong in the beginning. the day he died, we didn't even know it until the day after he died and that was about, excuse

me, 11:00 sunday morning and then i was talking to the deputy chief lovelace and seems like he's not trying to give me any answers to what had happened but it was just a bunch of things that he was saying that i just didn't believe what he was talking about. >> adrian, i mean, when you finally saw the videos, i can't imagine what that was like for you. what went through your mind? >> i was very angry. i was very upset. it just took life out of me to see my brother sit there and plead for his life and they are not even trying to attempt to pick him up or roll him over like they wanted to and just to

see and hear the torture they took my brother through and still act like it was okay, it's justifiable. it's not. it hurt me to my heart. i can't eat. i can't sleep. i can't think. i can't work. i can't do anything and it's sad that they taken my life away from me. >> mr. lambert, what would justice look like in this case? >> justice for me, i see those officers handcuffed and taken off to jail. >> that's what you want to see happen? >> yes. >> well, mr. lambert, appreciate you joining us and adrian, as well. thank you so much. we'll continue to follow this. >> thank you for having us. >> just ahead, two powerful voices on the gun violence crisis in chicago. spike lee talks about his new film "chiraque" and michael pfleger shares what he's learned over decades of trying to make chicago streets safer. p blah.

tonight part two of my interview with spike lee and father michael pfleger. i met up with him in chicago where gun violence and gangs made the south side one of the most dangerous places to be as a child. on tuesday tyshawn lee was laid to rest, 9 years old gunned down in an ally execution style. they believe he was targeted. at the funeral father pfleger that gave the eulogy could not

contain his frustration and anger. >> tyshawn was not in the wrong place, the murderer, the executioner, the assassin, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time! tyshawn was doing what every child has a right to do, be a child! >> father pfleger has spent decades trying to make chicago's most dangerous streets safer. he's the model for a character in spike lee's new film. what do you think it's about here that makes it so bad? >> all i can say is there's a growing hopelessness i've seen over the last number of years that is a level i've never seen before and a sense that nothing is changing, nothing is getting better. >> how many years have you been here? >> 40 years i've been living in this building. i've seen the up and downs over the years.

perfect example town hall meeting a year ago in angle wood a kid raises his hand and says can i ask one question? does anybody care? does anybody care about us? >> when i asked a young sixth grade girl in my school, what do you want to be when you grew up? she says alive. >> you've heard people say that to you. >> oh, yeah, i had a third grader last week after this 9-year-old boy tyshawn lee get killed walked to gym, i heard about the young boy that got murdered and killed. am i safe? >> i heard you refer to this as a self-inflicted genocide. explain that. >> here is the thing, though, i and i'll be criticized for this but i don't care. i'm all for black lives matter. i can't breathe, don't shoot. i'm not speaking on behalf of

african americans, this is my belief. i'm with that. we as the people can't be blind. all that is fine. eric gardener, go down the line. those were, that was wrong. but we cannot be out there going yeah, yeah, there and then when it comes to young brothers killing then mum is the word. no one is saying nothing. it's got to be both ends. >> it's not enough to focus on black lives matter movement, on -- >> you can focus on it -- >> police brutality. >> but you can't ignore the we are killing ourselves, too. we can't ignore that. >> so how do you address that? you preach to people. >> we have to fight the killing of our children whether it is a raciest cop, whether it is a george zimmerman vigilante or

whether it is black on black crime. >> doesn't matter. >> murder is wrong. killing is wrong. no matter whose hand it is and the race of a hand it is and so we just try to fight that from that standpoint that whenever -- so we fight against racial profiling and police brutality but priests, we put up rewards like with tyshawn lee. >> you put up a reward. >> we started a reward fund maybe 15 years ago we start that and consistently put up rewards and start at $5,000 for anybody to find the person. i'm one of the first people that say i hate the prison system, anderson. i hate it. i think it's horrible. i think it's broken. i think they do nothing for helping inmates in there. but you can't kill a child and go back in your life and watch tv and eat mcdonald's and hang out in the street at the park like everything is okay. you can't do that. >> that's not okay.

>> you can't do that. and if we allow that and tolerate that, then we as a community are saying it's all right. i understand the fear element. i understand people saying you know, they will come after me. my comment is if one person comes forward and yeah, they become the target of the gang or whatever, you come out and put such and such in jail, but it's never just one person that knows about it. >> but people in general -- a lot of times people did not come forward to talk. >> absolutely, they don't and that's a problem. >> that's a fact. >> i get the fear element but someplace we have to understand a conscience has a trump fear. >> you know, it used to be that a snitch was somebody who committed a crime and then pointed the finger at somebody else to get a lesser sentence. it's now gotten to the idea that anybody talks to police, anybody that's witnessed a crime and talks to police about what they saw gets that label and that

label is -- that's a -- i mean, that is a bad word in communities throughout america. nobody wants to be labeled a snitch. >> no, and because you feel you're putting yourself in danger, you're labeled by certain groups in the community, and also, i mean, we can't deny from this the broken bridge between law enforcement and the community. it's bad. >> they don't trust them. people don't trust them. >> not at all. if they do say something and say i'll do this anonymously and then their name is put out there in the street that they said this, so now there is just a lack of trust for the police. we can't -- we can't walk away from that. that's real. work needs to be done on both sides but that bridge is broken. >> well, tomorrow we'll continue our look at the violence gripping chicago's south side and you'll hear from moms that lost their children to guns. remarkable moms you'll meet tomorrow night. their strength is incredible and what they say needs to be done

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