thanks for staying with us. i'm john vause in los angeles. >> i'm isha sesay. french police are trying to identify two terrorists who died in a raid. they were targeting the alleged planner. but his whereabouts remain unknown.

>> giving a sense of the overwhelming force police used in that predawn raid. eight people were arrested. authorities say they moved in just in time to keep the suspects from launching yet another attack. >> well, isis is now threatening new york city as well. the group released a video showing times square and someone zipping a jacket over what looks look a suicide belt. law enforcement officials tell cnn the footage is old. and nothing more than propaganda. and the mayor has just rereiterated publicly there is no specific threat to the city. >> five syrian nationals traveling on passports stolen in greece are being investigated on charges of falsifying documents. >> the men were detained after traveling from syria to honduras through five other countries. police have not confirmed it, but say the men may be trying to reach the united states. police have not linked them to terrorism. and isis claimed it killed two

more hostages, one from china, the other from norway. the chinese president condemned the killing and offered condolences to the victim's families. >> okay, let's bring in your senior international correspondent live again in paris. it has just gone kp in the morning there. fred, we're learning more about that raid, a massive amount of fire power which french authorities used to try to apprehend these suspects, leaving two dead, eight arrested. >> we could see the special forces called the bri, obviously in full gear. some of them having shields in front of them apparently in an attempt to make sure that no one gets shot as they are in front of that apartment. and many people wondered why it was anyone for the authorities to find the terrorists.

police telling us they only had the apartment under surveillance. they said it was key intelligence that led them to the scene in that suburb of saint-denis. knick robertson has that part of the story. >> reporter: the raid in saint-denis was right on time because the suspects were ready to strike, according to authorities. police zeroed in on the apartment after they picked up telephone communications from a wiretap late tuesday. a belgium counterterrorism official tells cnn. >> they intercepted communication of wiretap indicating that a reltive of abdelhamid abaaoud was in this location. so the thought was, well, perhaps the french developed

separately strong information suggesting that he was in paris. >> belgian officials say a woman blew herself up during wepz's raid. now they're using dna police are also looking at cell phones found at the scenes of friday attacks. french authorities say one of the phones was found in a garbage can near the bataclan mall. it contained a message sent before the attacks began to the effect of okay, we're ready. investigators say this may have been the coordination message that launched friday night's attacks. french authorities say clues found on the phones helped lead them to saint-denis. >> translator: we have evidence collected over phones, surveillance video footage and witness testimony that suggests

abaaoud was present in a conspirator's apartment in saint-denis. >> intelligence officials say they found encrypted apps on the phone which is appear to have left no electronic trace of any messages, or any indication of who would have been receiving them. >> of course, as we're speaking here, the forensic work is going on after that raid in the apartment. we know that two people were killed. at this point it's unclear whether one of them was that ringleader abdelhamid abaaoud, whether or not he was present or not in that apartment. the authorities at this point say they simply do not know whether he was there or not. however, they do know that a relative of his was there inside the apartment. that, of course, of course, was one of the reasons why they

started to start that raid, hoping he might be there as well. >> we're also hearing there was a connection between abdelhamid abaaoud and salah abdeslam. tell us more about that. >> some people call this almost a family affair. you have some families involved in all of this. first of all, the abdelhamid abaaoud and salah abdeslam, they were friends going back to the time they were youths. they also spent some jail time together. they knew each other very well. then you have these family connections. you have abaaoud anticipate his cousin. one the ringleader, the other one present in that apartment in saint-denis. and the abdeslam brothers all connected. that shows there was apparently

an intricate web. it shows these people have some very strong bonds which seemed to indicate they felt they could trust each other to a point where they were conducting all of this together. you look at the ties they have with each other and it's a remarkable fact how close those ties act agriculturalically were. >> indeed. fred, preeshl it. it was a home pled bomb that took down a russian padgett. it took explosives experts to see if the claim would be legitimate. >> this is the bomb isis claims they used to bring down the russian passenger plane over the sinai peninsula. the pick chour posted in an isis propaganda magazine shows what appears to be explosive material concealed in a soda can, along with wires and a detonator with an on and off switch.

cnn cannot i departmentally verify the authenticity of the vote. the article says isis, quote, discovered a way to compromise the security at the sharm el sheikh international airport where metro jet deapartmented and a, quote, bomb was smuggled on to the airplane. >> we will search for them everywhere, wherever they're hiding. the. >> the news comes one day after russia's president, vladimir putin said two pounds of explosive material blew the passenger plane out of the sky. >> there is doubt as to whether or not if it was isis that brought down the aircraft. >> this agent said the on and off switch means a suicide bomber had to be in the cabin of the plane ready to flip the switch. raising questions about how someone could get on the plane with a device that could easily be detected by screening machines.

a device like this would be difficult to circumvent normal security. >> isis claims responsibility for the attack that killed 224 people. but is thisst the bomb, it would be the first piece of evidence the group has put forward. >> the soda can has some arabic writing that puts it in the region. the detonator or blasting cap is a commercially manufactured cap that we have seen in that region. >> well, more skeptical bomb experts question why the explosive material wasn't shown in that picture and why isis didn't produce video proof of them making a bomb. as millions of americans prepare to travel for the holiday, they should expect longer wait times at u.s. airport as they spend time expecting passengers and luggage.

also more random swabbing for explosive residue and even if you have prechecked, you could also be asked to remove shoes and laptops. cnn, washington. >> a retired special agent for the fbi joins us once again. it's always good to have you with us. there's growing concern about admitting cnn refugees. governors saying they won't accept them. i want you to take a listen to chris christie and some comments he made on the subject. and let's talk on the other side about the screening of refugees. >> the president created this entire situation. he didn't keep his word when he drew a red line in syria. he hasn't set up a no-fly zone which could create a safe haven for these refugee to create a safe haven in their own country rather than scatter all over the

word. he's the one casting dispersions, it's a joke and he's a joke on this issue. >> that's the new jersey governor chris christie, also happens to be a republican candidate for president. but a majority of states say they are concerned about the security for the people who live in their state. do they have a point of a terrorist disguised as a refugee? >> absolutely. whether or not they have a point on what's morally and ethically right. >> there is a security concern? >> there is an immense security concern. isis will attempt to take this opportunity to put some of their people who are less known by authorities, or unknown by authority, they will put them into the refugee stream. it's going to happen. it's not an if. they are going to do it. >> that begs the question, what is the vetting process like right now. >> i have no idea what vetting process they have.

but i do know that we vetted a major who went down and shot and killed 13 people at ft. hood. i investigated a school shooting by a man who had a top secret government clearance. so it's not a guarantee. could we catch some? yes. but if you're talking about somebody who grew up in the raqqah area, has no background problems with the legal system, yet they're radicalized, we're not going to catch that. >> there's an issue of scale when you're looking at that many people coming into the country, which is a drop compared to what germany and kaubd has taken in. kahn has taken in 25,000 refugees. the u.s. says 10,000. does it warrant the question that surely the six-month long process these refugees are going through, isn't there a way to ensure that you are getting the

people who should be here and making sure the ones that aren't are not here. >> it is the moral responsibility, but to get top security clearance for the u.s. government takes a year. how are they going to do -- i'm not saying put them through the same thing as a top secret. but how are you now going to have enough investigators to go out within six months and do 10,000 background investigations, almost also of this are overseas. we're going to be depending upon syria and those people to tell us, are these people dangerous? >> another issue that came to our attention today, five people in honduras picked up on fake passports. your thoughts on that and the danger, the threat of fake passports being used as an entry point to the united states. >> i can tell you stories of going into places and seizing

stacks of face passports this tall, already stamped, already signed justice waiting for a photograph to be em bosed on it. fake passports are a big business. it's out there and they're not hard to go. >> who has this all worked out. police in honduras are tipped off by greek officials. if they hadn't been stopped when they reached honduras, was there another stopping point along the way? >> i would have to look at the case to understand, but some type of information where someone called it to light, it seems to be like there was nothing and the surface that would cause somebody to question those passports. >> we appreciate your insights. >> coming up, why raqqah is a major target and take a rare look inside the city. >> plus, we'll hear from a couple who survived the zedliest

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>> friday's deadliest terrorist attack at the bataclan concert hall, 89 people were killed there. police say they found a cell phone from outside the venue. the message read the attack is about to begin. officials are trying to determine to whom that message was sent. >> their message is liberty is indestructible. we heard from a young couple who survived the concert hall attack. >> they described how they pretended to be dead. here's our anderson cooper, part two of that cnn exclusive interview. >> did you think about trying to run? >> yeah, the first ten minutes york uh think of all your options. you think how to survive what you can do and it's why the men

who tried to protect me really saved my life because your reaction is to run, to fight. and he just said stay. he just said stay. and from that moment on, i didn't dispute my actions. >> you thought about fighting. >> you think about doing something. but i'm here because i didn't run. i'm here because i stayed. >> you think about these people that did this as coming from another place. but it seems that most of them it seems came from here. they grew up here. they once listened to music, too. they once -- they grew up in this society. and yet they -- does it -- does it make any sense to you? i mean, does it -- >> for me, i feel feel very strongly about this is that those nen were psychopaths. they're not worth time talking

about. to talk about them is to take away attention from the victims of this, and that's all i care about. they are horrible excuses for humans in this world. but there are so many more great runs. and i do not want to talk about those men. they're not worth my time. >> and that's what you think about. that's what you moving forward want to remember, the people who, the man who saved you, the man -- the people who reached out to help other people, complete strangers. >> the survivors, the people who went through this, the people who helped me. friends, family. people from around the world who have sent the most incredible messages of support who have warmed my heart, who have made me able to sleep at night. so yeah, i want to remember the great acts of kind and lovely

people. and that's all i'm going to take away from this. >> it is extraordinary in the darkest of time, the most horrific of moments, people reach out to each other and save people. >> the tragedy here is that so many people our age were killed in that attack. so many people won't get to live their lives that just really

started. and that is what we're going to do, we're going to live for them. we're going to be inspired by them. we're going to be better, carry on with our lives, continue to listen to rock 'n roll, to love, to go out, to go out, to dance, to fight this horrible, horrible fear with love.

>> do you feel hate? >> none. that's what they want.

>> it's interesting when you said to fight this with love. that's important to you? >> it's imperative. it's imperative that we take this horrific story and learn from it, to appreciate life, to realize that the victims of this tragedy don't get their lives. we get to live and we are incredibly lucky. >> thank you. did you see them clinging to each other? >> yeah, absolutely. >> obviously they've gone through an horrific ordeal. >> it is a family affair. a brother among extremists is often quite literal.

>> also, police raided that building in search of the paris triumphant, the woman inside blew herself up. it's shocking, but is it unusual? we'll investigate when we come back.

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>> you're watching live coverage of the paris terror attacks. >> it's 7:30 in the morn onning on thursday. the sun is coming up.

that's the makeshift memorial with the flowers and the candles. many people there now in the area. some people have arrived there to look at this memorial. ooers are getting on with their daily life. but as you can see, the memorial has been growing since this terrorist attack occurred on friday. >> people piing their with respects and reiterating they will not be divided. the country will be strong in the face of friday's terror attacks. >> even french police have yet to identify either of the two people who died in a raid early on wednesday. the man suspected of organizing friday's terror attacks. right now, his whereabouts unknown. >> you see cell phones left behind the scene of friday's attack led them to the sus pengts. eight people were arrested. >> the whereabouts of abaaoud is unknown, but they're conducting dna test on what was left of the body parts in the apartment

building. and now we're waiting to see if one of the dead was, in fact, the ringleader. >> you're absolutely right. one of the reasons they're doing the dna tests is there were so many explosions in that apartment that there really is very little left over. it was a really violent and intense raid. one of the most dangerous moments of that raid that took place just a few minutes before the operations, a female suicide bomber blew herself up. the fact that a woman would blow herself up is a shock to many people, of course. but women who kill in the name of religion or ideology aren't that uncommon. >> it appears she was ready to die for isis. a female suicide bomber in the paris suburb of saint-denis,

killing herself during a police raid that killed one other. >> the woman is believed ton the cousin of paris attack ringleader or abdelhamid abaaoud. though far fewer in number, female suicide bombers are no less that will in their quest for martyrdom. >> it could be the organization sees them as a very useful tool because of their fem nim anyonety. >> in january 2002, a palestinian refugee detonated a 22-pound backpack in the center of jerusalem, killing one and injuring 140. one of the youngest known suicide bomber, also a palestinian refugee was an 18-year-old girl who strapped on a suicide belt, pushed past a security guard and blew herself up inside a jerusalem supermarket, killing the guard and an israeli teenage girl. >> when we often think about female suicide bomberser we think of the black widows. these are the widows of chechen

fighters. >> in russia, chechen women have blown themselves up to avenge their husband's deaths. among the most prominent attack, t 2002 siege of a moscow theatre in which female attackers woer but did not detonate suicide belts. authorities believe several dozen women from the west or u.s. have attempted reaching syria and arook. perhaps the most famous, the girlfriend of a man who attacked in paris. they travelled to turkey before crossing to syria to join the terror group. debra fayrek, cnn, new york. >> concerning twists. one thing the investigators and forensic workers are going to be looking at at that apartment site there is whether or not the explosives used in that suicide

vest that was detonated by the female bomber whether those were the same, as the ones used in the paris attacks here last friday. that, of course, would also be a clue that it could be a wider ring that was operating here with each other, john and isha? >> we appreciate the reporting. thank you so much. now as we've been reporting, an international manhunt is underway for salah abdeslam who is believed to be involved in the terrorist attacks. his brother was reportedly one of the suicide bombers. >> this is not the first time weave seen family members commit terror aing thats together. >> in the saint-denis raids the woman who blew herself up is believed to be the cousin of the

architect of the paris terrorist attacks. his brother rented this car then detonated his suicide bomb during friday ice attack as he died. his brother, salah abdeslam fled. now europe's most wanted man. they share a family name, a life history and radical believes. >> a lot, a lot of our cases revolved around family members working together. >> just look at recent history. earlier this year in the charlie hebdo attack, brothers spearheaded the massacre. the boston marathon bombing, home grown terrorists and brothers, jo har and tameli tamelin sarnaev. the 9/11 attackers, three of them were brothers. >> they're support each other even when they're not ideologically sold on what you're believing in.

they're following you, not an ideology. >> in 3013, this man left his family in england to join isis. one year later his twin sister,s followed and became jihadi bribes. and then this 19-year-old traveled to chicago's o'hare to join isis in syria. traveling with him, his 17 and 15-year-old brother and sister. u.s. kus. tos stopped them at the gate. his brother made this impassioned plea. >> we have a message for isis, leave our children alone. >> but blood isn't necessarily thicker than police, although police are questioning the broth, mohammed adbeslam claims he wasn't radicalized. telling erin burnett why. >> you lived in the same house. did they ever approach you.

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>> the syrian president said his country is not the breeding ground for isis. >> assad said the west should instead be blamed for the creation of the terror group which began in iraq and afghanistan. russia has its sights on syria in another show of force.

it claims it used terror strikes in syria. russia says these trucks were being used by terrorist groups to transport oil. >> this news. co-s just a day after russia bombed isis sites in syria, including the terror organization's self-proclaimed capital of raqq. let's go to matthew chance. working together to go after isis. >> in a briefing yesterday, with the russian president anticipate the security chiefs, he instructed the head of the naval group, the russian naval group in the mediterranean to work with the french as allies. it's not a formal alliance at this point, but clearly the attacks of paris, the confirmation a few days ago that the metro jet airliner carrying

224 people, which was downed in the sinai peninsula was caused by a terrorist attack by a bomb. that's obviously forced both russia and france to set their previous disagreements to one side and to work together for that common aim in attacking isis. and so it could be the start of a new alliance, potentially against that rebel group. >> and matthew, quickly right now, the russians have been hitting isis. its oil supply and basically its revenue supply as well. how effective has that strategy been so far? >> it's not clear how effective it's been in terms of cutting off the money supply to isis. they get a lot of their cash from oil experts. but the russians have been out front identifying these oil convoys of tankers and syrian desert ps .they've been striking them. they say 5 lurks oil tankers have been destroyed over the past several days. they're also attacking oil

production installations in islamic state held ter roir as well. that's one side of the military equation. what they've always been doing is deploying strategic long-range bomber which is is new in this syrian conflict to fire cruise missiles at various targets as well, as well as across other areas of syria as well. targeting other terrorist groups as well, we have to say. but the russians are really upping the ante, ramping up their military dam pain in syria in the aftermath of the confirmation that it was a bomb that downed that russian airline, metro jet airliner in sinai. >> thank you. matthew chance live at this hour. >> it is suddenly a challenge. the pentagon says isis can change positions and rebuild quickly, which means the targets are always moving.

>> 200,000 civilians call raqqah home inside the isis strong hold. >> a toddler dresed as a jihadi with the isis flag behind him is encouraged to behead his teddy bear, exposing the indoctrination of children inside raqqah, syria. boys as young as 5 yaers old, training for the signature executions. >> in this campaign, they try to teach them the geology of isis. they send them to bomb themselves. they use them to carry bombs. it's so horrible for the children. >> they're basically raising little jihadis from a small age. >> yeah, yeah. >> video smuggled out of the isis strong hold and used by media outlets like cnn is the only what i to see what life is

liked in the extremist rule. they have banned journalists and replaced them with propaganda. but a dozen activists are pulling back the curtain on the horror of isis rule in their small city, once monk syria's most liberal. they call themselves raqqah is being slaughtered silently. >> isis started to execute to kill human rights violations in raqqah and no one did anything in the city. no one even heard about it. so we did our campaign, trying to put the attention on our city to maybe someone will do something to the city. >> the photos and images they smuggle out, a lifeline to the outside world. >> you can say no life in raqqah, you can't do anything. no shop, no university, no schools nothing to do. everything is expensive. >> it sound like hell.

>> yeah. >> one woman snuck a camera under her veil, depicting isis' brutal treatment of women. >> if she wants to go outside, she should go with her phat e, brother, whatever. and she should cover all herself. the woman in raqqah or in isis areas are nothing. just they use them only to do sex, to buy and sell girls. >> so basically they're making them prostitutes. >> yeah. >> hamzah was covering clashes between isis and the free syrian army when isis stormed his house. he managed to escape the country and now manages the group's social media. >> they found our campaign logo, and after three week, they

executed him in a public square. >> last month, one of their members living in turkey was beheaded. >> why are you journalists showing what's going on in raqqah, instead of being fighters killing isis fighters? >> if you will defeat isis and you didn't defeat the ideology of isis, maybe after two months or three months or years you will find a new isis. >> the group has been declared an enemy of god by isis. they say they don't know who will be killed next, but they are prepared to pay with their lives to get their message out. they will be honored by the committee to collect journalists. >> tremendous work that they're doing. a lifeline to what's happening. >> isis has killed more muslims than any other religious groups.

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>> you will not have my hatred. that is a message from a man who lost his wife in friday's concert hall attack in paris. >> it's incredible. he says to hate will be to conduct sum to the killers. and he says he will raise their 17-month-old son happy and free. >> the best in two days she was dead. i spent the night on the road with my brother to see every hospital in paris. >> you felt bad about that because you weren't close to her?

i just want to be with her. >> then you wrote this post on facebook, which is the reason we are speaking, because it has been shared more than 120,000 times. the headline of it is i will not succumb to hate. friday night you stole an exceptional life, the love of my life, the mother of my son, but i will not succumb to hate. what made you write that?

>> and the other thing that you said we are only two, my son and me, but we are stronger than all the armies of the world. which i thought was so beautiful. >> we stand free. we stand with the taste of life. we stand with happiness. we play games with my son.

and they know they don't win. >> your son is only 27 months. but still he doesn't understand. >> but he feels everything. we know everything. we talk about it. and then he cried, but he was crying about because his mother, he misses his mother. so i took my phone and put some music that he was listening with his mother. and we look at photos. he shows me, this is my mother. mama, mama, mama. and then he cries and we cry together. we don't pretend that we are not staid or devastated. no, we are. since friday, life for me day after day, i will see.

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it is 8:00 in the morning in paris where we're learning even more about the dramatic predawn raid targeting the suspected ring leader in the paris attacks. they say reached the building just before another attack was to be launched. our veteran correspondent's report on the psychological impact of these attacks. >> reporter: good morning and welcome everyone to this program. i'm christiane amanpour and

they're still searching after 24 hours of heavy raids. that is where suspected terrorists were killed yesterday. they don't know yet whether the ring leader, the target of the raid, is among the dead. amateur video gives you a sense of the overwhelming force that police used in that predawn raid. eight people were arrested. authorities say they moved in just in time to keep the suspects from launching another attack. so, let's bring in our senior international correspondent who wads there. it's almost 24 hours ago and in a way it's still ongoing. so, what's the latest? >> reporter: the forensic teams are still at work and there are controlled detonations being set off and they're still finding

unexploded ordinants and the house itself is unsafe because part of one floor has collapsed because so much heavy ordinance was used by the suicide bomber herself and by the police to blast in there. so, they are still at work and even from the outside, you can see the structural damage that was done to that building in that very intense raid. >> one of the dead terrorists was a suicide bomber and what was the time manage to get her belt on? >> reporter: that's a very good question but we know that police had one apartment under observation for 24 hours and then they moved in and arrested several people and from that first raid got evidence that led them to a second apartment.

and it could be that that gave her the time to put on a suicide bomb device and then when they moved the to the second apartment, that's when they met the fierce resistance where the bomb went off. it started with very intense gun fire and it was only a little later that you heard the flurry of explosions that went off. >> and there was a very heavily reinforced door which gave the terrorists time and made it difficult for the riot police to go in. >> reporter: this place was fortified. that these people not only had the fire power at their hands but had also fortified that place itself, which could have been one of the safe houses and now we're at a stage where it appears as though these peep are connected, where at this point in time, it appears they are, they would have had three safe houses in the area. so, it points to a sophisticated logistical operation.

>> and the biggest question is the belgium, syrian isis fighter. >> reporter: was he there or was he not there? at this point, it isn't clear. we're going to have to wait for the dna evidence to see if he was there. unclear how much dna they actually have of his. >> it was a pretty big mess. fred, thank you very much. so, as you heard, this abdul, whose name has become the most important name in terms of the man hunt and the brains, we still don't know what happened to him and this other name, he's also on the run and international manhunt for him.

let's geto brusall ales for the belgium end. >> reporter: authorities here very buworried about possible additional acts of violence as long as they are still at large. meanwhile, learning more and more about the links, that the the belgium residents and citizens in this conspiracy, the links they've had, in some cases going back years. we know among the paris attackers, there were two brothers, eibrahim, the younger brother and the other brother who is still at large. and we've learned that he was actually convicted oen a charge of theft in 2011, along with the suspected ring leader of this conspiracy. and here in belgium. so, you have a link between

these two people, key suspects in the paris attacks. who were quite literally, in 2011, partners in crime. and then in addition to that, you have the fact that some of these suspects who were in the paris attacks, the two brothers, as well as a third man who was also a resident of brussels and another one of the suicide bombers in paris, all three of these individuals had been known to the belgium authorities months before the attacks took place. and one case he was suspected to have gone tasyria to be a volunteer jihadi fighter and two brothers were questioned by belgium authorities earlier in 2015. a number of red flags that did not succeed in stopping this series of terrible attacks.

>> you know, ivan, what you've just said is the point, really. because belgium authorities must be or should be feeling the heat for having let them slip through the cracks. everybody, every intelligence official and security operation in the western world has been saying, this is the big fear right now with all these jihadists and as you know belgium has the highest percapita density of jihadists from syria and they've admitted publicly that we are the weak link. i mean, is there any sense of how they're going to recoupe, i don't know, put more resources into this very real live war that they have to fight? >> reporter: well, perhaps we'll learn more from the belgium prime minister who's scheduled to speak in an hour's time.

there's been criticism within belgium about the division of the different police forces and law enforcement bod aides. difference between the french speaking part of the country and the phleflemish part of the cou. and they say that these factors could have helped contribute to this. and there's that other major challenge this country faces, how is it that it's had more than 400, perhaps close to 500 recruits to groups like isis, people who have gone to the middle east and joined in the ranks of isis in syria? the federal prosecutor leading the investigation says the security forces are simply overwhelmed trying to keep track of the roughly 130 jihadists who went to the middle east and have

since returned, just monitoring that is keeping their hands full and does not leave them enough resources to monitor those who want to go to syria. >> ivan, you're absolutely right. intelligence, intelligence, intelligence, that is the name of the name gagame and that's sg governments are going to have to grapple with in the days ahead. and as you can imagine, two apparently religiously motivated attacks in the city of marselle down south are being condemned by the interior minister. a muslim woman was attacked because of her religious symbols and the prosecutor says a jewish teacher was stabbed outside his home by several individuals

expressing support for isis and this is incredibly worrying because there has been a spike of antisumittic attacks here in france and there is huge back lash against the muslim population as well. and in china, bejing is confirming that one of their citizens -- they're condemning what they call the cold, blooded and violent killing. and these are claims that isis posted, they posted pick chrsz of the men in its online magazine with the words "for sale" below their portraits. more of this incredibly vile propaganda and real acts of violence and terror, even as we're coping with what's happened here in paris. and the second time this week that these isis propaganda

videos are threatening more attacks and the second time we've heard them threaten new york. the mayor of new york has told cnn that there are no live threats they're aware of but it does show what appears to be an explosive device and someone zipping a jacket over what looks like a suicide belt and they're releasing more members of a new antiterrorism squad and new york's mayor had a stern message for isis. >> the people of new york city will not be intimidated. we understand it is the goal of terrorists to intimidate and disrupt our democratic society. we will not submit to their wishes. it's important to note that there is no credible and specific threat against new york city. >> now, isis is showing what what it claims to be the home

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as they go to work to lay flowers. there are police in that shot because this is a heavily policed city after those friday terror attacks and throughout the day this becomes a makeshift shrine, a gathering point for people who want to come and talk, remember and the emotional scars will take a long time to heal. our jim bitterman has been talking to all sorts of people. this is his report. >> reporter: from the french president on down, there are many people who believe to the attacks were specifically targeting young people and young people and their teachers and parents know it. they struggle to explain the bloody scenes to their children. >> translator: i can feel the children's fear. they don't understand what happened so i explained to them. >> reporter: but for the

generation closer in age to most of the victims, interpreting what happened is up to each individual. at a high school close to the carnage, some new victims and almost all the cafes and theaters attacked. >> he can go talk to the nurse. >> reporter: but silence people say something too. the nurse said she looks for signs of anxiety and fear and sends the some to the psychologically unit and they say among the survivors, various first responders, there may be as many as 5,000 people who will need some kind of psychological support and counseling and will have a temporary event after friday the 13th. and he was on the scene of the

worst attack in the concert hall within minutes after the attack. he says they were in tears. >> translator: there were two shau shocks, the youth of the bodies on the ground, hundreds of bodies and once the assault was over, the deadly silence and then all the cell phones of the diseased began to ring. >> reporter: he says for those who witnessed or lived through the horrendous scene oz of the friday the 13th attacks, psychological impacts could be felt for months to come and some could need psychological support for years. >> jim, it really does bring it home when you hear about the young people, the rescue personnel who are traumatized, rightly so, from what they've seen.

>> reporter: this is a fairly recent -- probably the last 10 years or so that france has developed this psychological support system when there are these traumatic events and there have been more and more of them. they're saying, in fact, a lot more could be done and when you see an event like this one, there's sdwrus njust not enough. >> all those budgets are being cut and at a time like this, just about everyone involved needs it. >> and i think there will be an argument made that they need more of these kinds of people. the gentleman we talked to had been through charl aie hebdo ana number of different things where they provide psychological help right away. >> and then they sometimes get the post traumatic shock. what about how you see this

city -- there's no way you can say bouncing back -- but trying to continue? we saw on saturday, almost a desseerted city. and schools are open and people are coming out. museums have been open again this week. the three-day official mourning is over now. how is it fairing? >> reporter: a lot of things coming back. there have been hotel cancelled, and one thing we're waiting to hear about is the lighting ceremony was supposed to be tonight and was canceled. i think they're worried about gatherings of people. do they want to have something going on that could bring more people out that could be targets. >> and the president has practically every day addressed the people and he said the raid

was aimed at getting rid of the cell connected and again said we're at war. how do you see the political, military security operation sort of playing out? they do seem to be trying to ramp up for a much more decisive hits in syria. >> reporter: i think they absolutely are. and they sent out the charles degall. >> the aircraft carrier. >> reporter: yes. and there's an appeal for 17,000 more security which would include army, police and also intelligence services. you get people in listening and watching the internet and finding out what's being pland and plotted and that's a big number. it's going to bust the defense budget but already the european union is saying we'll make exkee excuses for it. >> and one of the problems is

that state security has been widdled away whether it's security in general and they're going to have to ramp that up again because they themselves say we don't have the where with all to go after these people and stop these plots, not all of them, anyway, they stop some of them but this was a huge one that got through the loop. >> reporter: and the europeans in general have been scaling back and scaling back on defense budgets since the cold war ended and i think this is a turning point where we're going to see things ramped up because you can't tolerate the kind of things we saw on friday. >> thanks, jim. so, that was my conversation in this same plaza with jim bitterman last night and this is the latest edition of the paris magazine saying young people, this is our war. that's the point, they hit this country's young people and up

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. welcome back to the program. early morning here in paris and we're learning more about the alleged ring leader behind the attacks in this city. he's a bellm citizen and isis member believed to have spent time in syria. gun fire and explosions mark the start of a dawn raid by french police, the latest developments in the investigation into last week pf week's terror attacks in paris. security services were hunting abdelhamid abaaoud. they believe he travelled to syria in 2014 to fight isis and there he formed close ties to

its leader and expected to be the likely link between senior islamic state figures and operatives in europe and said to be hunted by western powers. i asked u.s. sec areretary of s, john kerry about this. there are reports that united states and other allies sought to kill him in syria. he is apparently a top level belgium citizen, isis member. >> well, i can confirm he was isis member and top but i can't confirm whether he was targeted or not. >> reporter: the ensuing gun fight left two dead and another in custody. they found precursor chemicals

to make the same explosive used in the terror attacks. and a cell was in the final stages of planning a major terror attack in belgium. counterterrorism believe he was in contacted with three of the fighters through cell phone calls traced to greece. and the isis magazine claimed to conduct an interview with with him where he boasted and saying both my name and picture were all over the news but i was able to stay in their homeland, plan operations against them and leave safely. senior belgium counterterrorism officials say it was possible he was able to return to syria from greece and after hearing nothing to him after he travelled to syria, officials believe he faked his own death so he could

travel to and from to coordinate the attack. and that allowed him to create the atrocities that left over a hundred dead and more injured. western citizens go over with their passports and able to come back here undetected. and here in defiance. i asked the former french foreign minister whether last week's attacks will change this count country's way of life. believe it.

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you're watching our continuing coverage of the terror attacks in paris. french police have yet to identify either of the two people who were killed in an apartment earlier wednesday, 24 hours ago. the target was the alleged ring leader, abdul elhamid abaaoud a they say cell phones left behind led them to the suspects. eight people were arrested and earlier i asked the french senator to weigh in on the dramatic developments. here's part of our conversation. welcome back to the program, you've kept us abreast of what the government is doing, what the security is doing and how you and the people are feeling.

as we showed the report and the pictures of abdelhamid abaaoud, the most wanted man in the world right now. what is your reaction when you see his face? >>. [ bleep] we are so angry and sad. it's terrible. >> what is the feeling -- you were in a session of it senate today, the president talked to the mayors, you're entouin touch your electors. how are they feeling right now? >> the tv channels, 24 hours a day, it's very difficult to get when we're watching and then bit by bit we discover something and i have no special information,

really i'm really like every citizen here but that looks more and more scary and ultimately, we have a very strong communication focus and trade by the d.a. >> so, that's the prosecutor, who's actually been giving updates very, very regularly. and you're saying all this attention after a while gets to be painful for people. >> it's painful because you discover how harmed they were and then you can speculate for any kind of things and that creates a very heavy atmosphere. >> obviously, everybody wants to know about this man who everybody says is the brains behind the operation. do you know anymore than what we've been told about the raid? do you think it went some way to

reassuring parisians about the response? >> i think the amount of accusation -- >> does that mean arrests? >> yes. search and then arrest and the way that everything is connected and conducted, the citizen has to know that the government, the d.a. and ever a woubody is very concerned and our police were very successful. so, the people are ready to understand that it's a very serious issue. >> they certainly understand that and you said you're going to be voting because even though the president has asked for this extend state of emergency, you have not voted yet, correct? >> it will be tomorrow and in the senate will be friday and we're not going to rest anytime.

we're voting so things will be ready friday evening. >> three months? >> at least. >> do you think you'll vote for longer? >> maybe. we are ready because we cannot stand this murder to continue. we cannot let those people to continue to scare the french population. and the republic needs to react and i think we're really ready despite some people can have hesitation about freedom and everything but now we're all very ready, very concerned and we're all very concerned by the family and their loss and it's very, very painful and heart breaking. >> i mean, the stories, of course i believe you and we're hearing so many sad stories from survives who have lost dearest people and it's just tragic to hear it. the authorities say that they have now identified all 129 dead

but -- i mean, the funerals haven't even started yet. that's going to be another level of shock and we were just talking to our veteran correspondent about the psychological trauma that everybody's under. >> young people you send them to a concert or movie, you just expect them to come back and be happy, good evening and fun with their friend and especially you have people from the state, young people who are student here and imagine their families in the states or whatever, it's terrible. i mean, painful and heart breaking as i told you previously and as soon as you have children, you can imagine -- well, of course you can't imagine but you pray these things will not happen again. >> we certainly do and we'll be watching at this man hunt and

investigations continue. thank you very much indeed. thanks for joining us. and again, i want to show you this. these are the young people, the children who went to a concert. these are the people who were attacked. when we come back, we're going to go to manila and our chief white house correspondent to get reaction from president obama after the break.

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so, since these attacks on friday the 13th, there's been an extremely ugly rise in the antirefugee rhetoric here and in the united states. but the president says the country cannot abandoned its basic values. >> translator: france sovereignly has agreed to take part in the solidarity in regards to these refugees. 30,000 will be received and we must insure there is no risk to our country. >> the refugee issue has become

a political q national security debate in the united states. cia chief says the country should continue its policy of welcoming asylum seekers but he wants stricter screening. this comes as haonduran authorities say they captured nationals on their way to the united states. they were caught with pass ports that apparently were stolen in greece. they're being investigated on charges of falsifying those documents. dozens of u.s. governors say they don't want syrian refugees coming into their states and others are saying we will continue to have them. republicans have drafted a bill aimed at keeping the migrant refugees out of the u.s. and let's bring our senior white house correspondent who is traveling with the president. what is president obama been

saying lately about the attacks and the whole very ugly refugee debate that's sprung up? >> right. as you know, during the president's press conference in turkey on monday, he wasn't really asked about the syrian refugee crisis but he volunteered what's been going on in the u.s. a lot of republicans have been saying that the u.s. should abandoned its plans to allow some 10,000 refugees in the coming years and the president is saying he's not going to have that and that doesn't mesh with american values. very similar to what you heard the french president said and he repeated this view and had a quick press conference with the canadian prime minister and he said the idea that somehow they pose a more significant threat, talking about the syrian refugees, than all the tourists who pour in every single day,

just doesn't jive with reality. so, the president not backing off that position. he's been tweeting over the last 24 hours that the focus for the u.s. with the syrian refugees will be allowing in women, children, orphans, people victims of terrorism and torture, they're trying to make the point that they're not going to open the flood gates to a lot of 18-year-old syrian men to come into the country. and vice president joe biden made remarks in dallas where he said it's really consistent with american values to allow these ref uugees into the u.s. >> for us to turn our back now on refugees is turning our back on who we are. the only way terror wins is if they cause you to change your value system. isis is no existential threat to the united states of america, simply stated, they are not.

>> now, getting back to the president, he did make other remarks with prime minister true dough about this prospect of the united states joining with russia in a grand coalition you might say in taking on to isis. while he's been warmed to the idea, he did throw a little cold water on it saying that russia would have to change its position and he does not foresee a situation in which assad stays in power during a political transition. so, it's interesting over the last several days, the president has been hammered at home for his policy on dealing with isil and defeating isis but he's chosen to talk more about the syrian refugee crisis. it gives you a sense that perhaps politically they'd rather talk about the refugee

issue rather than the strategy for taking on isis. >> and let's refocus on that strategy. i want to drill down on what you've said regarding the obvious gaps regarding russia and united states and they have high hopes for the political process and said there may be a ceasefire in syria. in an alarmingly short time frame of three to five weeks but it's all about working with russia and the french has said there needs to be one strategy between u.s. and russia, not multiple strategies. so, there doesn't seem to be a meeting of the minds about syria? >> i think that's right. i don't think president obama fully trusts vladimir putin,

that day may never come but right now, the best they seem to be able to hope for is further continuation of this deconfliction where they give each other heads up when they're about to strike isis. i should say in the last few days, the president has been praising vladimir putin and russia, something we hadn't seen at all in the last coming weeks and he's thanked them for going after isis targets and they have the sense that perhaps vladimir putin is giving up on his bet of assad and realizing that it's a losing bet that assad's forces, even with rushsirussia's help, turn the tide in that civil war and perhaps they're coming to the reality that they're going to have to team up with the rest of the coalition and assad not in power. it is interesting to hear the french president saying, hey,

guys, can we start work together to defeat this common enemy and he's exect ped to come to the white house on tuesday and he may be applying pressure to say, look, we have to figure out a situation where the u.s. and russia can work together. and it does appear that for this to work out, for isis to be defeated, the u.s. and russia just have to simply work together against this common threat. >> jim, thank you and we'll be following all that. now, back here, per eearisians put put on a united front. they're taking to their city's famous cafes and bars and trying to continue on with the life they love and in a famous catfe i asked the form er foreign

minister if they're up to the challenges they face right now. we've talked many times but never in circumstances like this. we're sitting at a cafe. they tried to attack your way of life by attacking restaurants, cafes, concert halls. will they succeed? >> certainly not but they're frightening the people but to attack so stupidly, the use of my country. i mean, it is unbelievable. >> do you think this is a game changer in confronting isis? >> yes, it is. i think that it will be a bit long to accept or to propose because the french position in between russia and america and the united states of america too, propose a consensus of

compromise, it will be done, yes, certainly. >> there are many who are likening isis and its ambitions to the kind of naziism we saw in the 20th century. it's different but they have terrorist tactics and very global aims. are we aware of that and up to the fight? >> we are. me and you certainly but the nations are ready for that. they will not succeed. it has never been that it succeed, a little while, yes, but it will be defeated. i mean, the police and the special forces of the police attack the people and they knew step by step, we'll certainly clear if i may so and the goal, isis goal was to separate the

people, the muslim community with the rest. each will not succeed at all. >> your president has said that syria is the biggest terrorist factory in the world today. he's talked about war, france is at war, war has been declared on france, he's used the term, army, an army of terrorists, i asked secretary john kerry if we should expect that this is the new normal? that these civilian casualties are somehow the acceptable and not acceptable face of this new enemy. >> i don't think so. we will defeat them. we cannot just supres the life of the people with no reason, with some sort of religious angle. they're liars and murderers and sometimes completely insane. but nevertheless, now we have

altogether, in a sort of coalition, one coalition to eliminate them. it will take some months, certainly. >> maybe even years. >> i don't know. but for the time being, forever reaction and the french people are surprising. you will see. we'll surprise again. >> and what do you think the president is going to be asking obama when he goes to washington next week? >> a common ground for all the armies and maybeinly, of course the american and the russian. >> ground forces? >> not ground forces for intith time being. we need to support the existing ground forces. and they're doing a. >> job. we are not helping the kurds, we

the french. and they took over the town. so, the ground forces exist already. they exist and so we are to back them. that's absolutely key and to give them the sort of moral, political world support. they are sunni people and they're fighting against the murderers. >> thank you very much, indeed. >> thank you. >> and that is it for our program this hour. the news continues. thank you for watching.

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hello, everybody. it is 9:00 a.m. here in paris. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm hala gorani. >> i'm john berman. you're watching special coverage of the paris terror attacks. and we are waiting right now. everyone is waiting for the results of dna tests from the apartment in the paris suburb of saint-denis. investigators want to know if the alleged planner of friday's terrorist attacks abdelhamid abaaoud, if he was one of the two people killed. they're literally testing the body parts found in that apartment right now. we do know that a woman blew

herself up inside. she has been reportedly identified as abaaoud's cousin. [ gunfire ] >> well, hundreds of police officers, special forces, military troops descended on the building early wednesday looking for abaaoud. eight people in the end were arrested. meanwhile, in other developments this morning, isis has published a photo showing this, a soda can bomb which they say brought down that russian jet over egypt last month killing 224 people. it's not confirmed that's what it is, john. a rudimentary device if indeed that's what brought down the commercial jetliner. >> scary for people who fly. isis also threatening to attack new york city in a new video just released. the new york mayor bill de blasio says there is no current

or specific threat. police tell us the video used, some of the footage used is old footage, the threat is new in and of itself but nothing specific or credible. just goes to show, says the mayor and the police chief of new york city, the kind of thing they deal with frankly all the time there. >> let's bring in our senior international correspondent fred pleitgen. he's live in paris. you were in saint-denis when that raid took place. we saw essentially all the windows blown out of the building. that building hardly looks like it's going to be able to stand. >> structural damage. exactly. is what was caused. and there were various reasons for that. obviously, it was the woman blowing herself up in the first place, but the authorities also said that the resistance that they faced when they got to the scene was so fierce that they themselves also had to use some pretty heavy ordnance and that also caused some of the damage that was inside. they say that one floor of that building essentially collapsed, essentially fell apart. and that's one of the reasons also why it's so difficult for them to find out where the

bodies in there are, to get the dna because it's difficult to sift through there. i was there till very late last night and even in the night hours they were still conducting controlled explosions at that site because they were finding unexploded ordnance. that's how fierce that firefight was. >> thousands of rounds fired. thousands of rounds fired between the law enforcement forces and the people inside, who apparently did have enough time to stage an offense. the door itself had to be blasted through. >> the door itself had to be blasted open. and one the things that sort of supplies surprised people, that the female suicide bomber, that she was able to rig herself and blow herself up. how did she have the sometime if this was a surprise raid? one of the things the authorities said was they had had one apartment under surveillance. they came to that apartment. and after the raid, or during the raid avenue that first apartment they found out about the second apartment. so it's possible that she might have been in the second apartment. that would have tipped her off that there was this commotion going on, given her enough time to rig herself and then blow herself up. but there was -- i mean, there

was an unbelievable amount of police there. >> absolutely. it was a military operation quite literally. you see troops there. let me ask you about who's left in that -- i mean, there are two bodies. do we know that for sure? >> yeah. >> and also they're still conducting dna tests to determine if abdelhamid abaaoud is one of those bodies. >> yeah, they are. they're still conducting the dna testing. it's not conclusive at this point yet. there was a press conference yesterday by the paris prosecutor who said at this point in time he cannot say if abdelhamid abaaoud is among those who were killed. all he can say is he's definitely not among those who were arrested even though they haven't been able to interrogate everybody who's been arrested just yet. there are some who are still in hospital because gunshot wounds that they got when this raid was going on. >> that's interesting. our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto is telling me they don't have his dna on file. it's not something they have. so they have to go out and find a relative of abaaoud, test -- it's grisly but literally test the body parts they're finding

in that apartment. that's how violent the confrontation was. they're sifting through the rubble right now to get to that. of course that would be a major development if it turns out they did get their man, abdelhamid abaaoud, believed to be the ringleader behind friday's attacks here. >> right. and quick question, though, about the possible -- apologies but about the people who've been arrested. do we know who they are? >> it's unclear at this point who they are. they haven't been able to speak to them yet. it's also unclear the female suicide bomber, whether or not that was abaaoud's cousin or whether or not one of the arrested people -- yeah. there are reports. and that was also one of the reasons why the raid was triggered, is because they thought a relative of abaaoud was there. they gathered that from that intelligence, from those cell phone intercepts that they got. but one of the things of course that the french are saying is that if indeed abaaoud was killed in that raid it wouldn't only obviously be a big thing to get the ringleader of this but it probably or possibly also saves lives down the line because i mean he was known to try one plot after the next. >> in fact, what police told us

over the course of the raids yesterday was they believe they got there just in time. just in time to stop another attack that could have been just minutes or hours away. >> yeah. they had those intercepts and they said they monitored the place for only about 24 hours. you're familiar with these operations. very often sites like that get monitored for days, for weeks, to see what sort of patterns these people have. to move in that quickly is something that is quite remarkable. it did seem that it was quite urgent when they moved in. >> fred pleitgen, thank you so much. >> fred pleitgen. a lot of attention is focused on the alleged planner. we've been discussing it with fred here. the planner of friday's terrorist attacks in paris. abdelhamid abaaoud. brian todd has more on him. >> reporter: he was a target of the dramatic violent raid on two apartments in saint-denis outside paris where officials say suspects were about to launch an operation. belgian state tv says a woman who blew herself up in the raid

was his cousin. dna tests are under way to determine if abdelhamid abaaoud, the alleged mastermind of the paris massacres, was among those killed in the raid or if he got away. abaaoud is apparently good at being a ghost. he bragged to isis's magazine about being able to enter europe and syria whenever he wanted. "my name and picture were all over the news, yet i was able to stay in their homeland, plan operations against them." >> and at a certain point abdelhamid abaaoud actually faked his own death, made his own family back in belgium who disowned him like he was dead sew could cover his tracks. >> reporter: abaaoud then communicated with isis operatives, planning an attack in belgium back in january, a plot which got thwarted by police. abaaoud is also linked to the attempted assault on a train bound for paris this summer which was disrupted by three americans. he's reveled in isis brutality. he's seen here dragging the bodies of victims behind a

pickup truck. and here abaaoud makes an impassioned call for jihad. >> translator: are you satisfied with this life you are having? this humiliating life. whether it's in europe, africa, arabic countries, america. >> reporter: "the new york times" reports when his family heard that he'd possibly been killed last year abaaoud's own sister said they prayed he was dead. >> one of the reasons they disowned him is he came back to belgium at a certain point from syria and essentially kidnapped his younger brother, just 12 or 13 years old, and brought him all the way back to syria to sort of make him join isis. >> reporter: and new information linking abaaoud to another paris suspect, going back at least four years. the belgian federal prosecutor tells cnn abaaoud served time with this man, salah abdeslam, who's now on the run, at a belgian prison in 2011. >> it's quite possible that as abaaoud's father says that prison was that catalyst which

pushed him toward the jihadist movement. >> reporter: if abdelhamid abaaoud has been taken out, a significant threat to europe is removed. but analysts say there are other top isis operatives who likely had connections to the paris attacks still out there. brian todd, cnn, washington. >> our thanks to brian todd for that. this morning china is condemning what it calls the cold-blooded and violent killing of one of its citizens by isis. >> now, the terrorist group is claiming as well that it has killed a norwegian hostage. isis posted pictures of the men in the september issue of its online magazine. they have an online magazine. when you think about it, it's surreal. "dabiq" is the title of the magazine. with the words "for sale" below their portraits. >> joining us now is jeanine di giovanni, the middle east editor of "newsweek." she's also a friend of steven sotloff, the u.s.-israeli journalist kidnapped in syria and killed there by isis.

so it is chilling to see today isis claiming the responsibility for two more deaths. but you can sense that in a way it's their retaliation or response perhaps to the raid here yesterday. it's isis saying we're still here, we can do what we want in the land that we control. >> i think isis, one of their main strategies is to provoke and to provoke retaliation. and i think exactly what's happening now is playing into their greater plan. they're getting a huge amount of media attention which makes them -- which lends them credibility and also gives them more of a status than they had before. i think the main thing we have to remember as well, that what isis detests is tolerance. tolerance is the thing that they cannot -- that they cannot adhere to. they want a society that is completely divided. which is of course why france was a target. they sensed divisions within this country. deep divisions. amongst the muslim youth --

french youth. you i shouldn't say muslim youth. they're french-born. but also the extreme right wing. it was almost in a sense horribly, horribly tragic but they knew what they were doing. >> so i spoke to marine le pen, the leader of the far right party the national front, just about an hour ago. we'll have a portion of that interview on cnn. but i essentially asked her you are calling for france to close all its borders to migrants when it's not really even determined, there's no real solid confirmation that any of these attackers were indeed syrian or legitimate refugees. she justified it by saying we don't want to take any risks. why risk it? if there's even a shadow of a possibility this was a refugee let's close all our borders. will that play well politically in france? >> i think this is terrifying. frankly having worked with refugees for such a big part of my career, i find that these politicians playing into their own agenda is disgusting because frankly we know -- what we do know is most of the syrian

refugees or refugees from any conflict that are fleeing are desperate people. to leave your home, to leave your family, to leave your country is a huge act. >> fleeing from the violence, not going somewhere to commit violence. >> no. absolutely. and isis might, we still don't know, there's absolutely no confirmation of, this let's be clear. all of the killers we know of were eu residents. the syrian passport we know was a fake or forged. so for politicians like le pen to play into this is really i think absolutely bogus and disgusting. but she's probably going to do well in local elections in three weeks. >> she's a very skilled political operative no doubt. and i wanted to talk about this state of emergency because we know constitutionally france can only apply it for a few days. they need to request special permission to extend it to three months, which is currently happening today. so is this something french people support, the extension of the state of emergency? >> hala, this is a law that's rarely, rarely used. it goes back to 1955. it has overtones of the

franco-algerian war, you which as you know is a very tender top nick france, ak topic in france, akin to america's vietnam. very few novels written about it, very few films made about it. it's something you don't go near. this law, what it means is it really could encroach on civil liberties in a huge way. three months is a long time. it means they could have house arrests without warrants, search houses, arrests. they could confiscate material. they can dispel crowds. so no, i think that people are very wary of this. >> they've done more than 100 raids every night since the attack here on friday. it will be interesting to see how much longer they keep that pace up and if there is a reaction. right now there's a tremendous amount of support for it. i get the sense people are very supportive. >> people are frightened. france is in a state of anguish and mourning. and so people are supportive of order. they want security. but at the same time i think personally we're going to see a blowback from those 100 raids

last night. how many of those people actually were in some way involved and how many were woken up in the middle of the night and had this experience of the security forces charging in? so i think we will see in the weeks to come more blowback from this and how it actually does encroach on people's individual rights. and france of course is a country which has great bearing on their freedom of speech, freedom of expression. crowds gathering. so let's see what happens this morning in the senate. if the state of emergency is allowed to extend to three months, which is -- which would be a precedent. >> it's still certainly very raw here in paris and in france throughout the country. janine de giovanni, the middle east editor at "newsweek." thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> another show of force this morning, russia's military claims it used air strikes to destroy tanker trucks inside syria. russia says these trucks were using -- being used by isis and other groups to transport oil. it's a key means of finance for these groups.

>> it's not clear, though, where or when the air strikes occurred but this news comes just a day after isis bombed some isis sites in syria. and in fact, speaking of the terrorist group and its involvement with russia, it is showing off what it claims is the homemade bomb that took down a russian passenger jet last month. >> it's really a remarkable image. they posted the picture of the photo in their online magazine. it shows this soda can and two components that pear to be a detonator, maybe also a switch, but just a soda can -- remember, russia said it was a two-kilogram device, a one-kilogram device, maybe about two pounds, that took down the plane. our experts tell us that would be enough to perhaps put a hole in a plane that would ultimately take it down. isis claimed that it was the one behind the downing of that metrojet crash over the sinai peninsula, killing all 224 people on board. no one really has confirmed the claims at this point. but russia says now it was a bomb. a lot of people acknowledge it was a bomb. and intelligence services all over the world suspect it was

isis. >> and john, if indeed something like the soda can took the plane down, it means it was a suicide bomb, experts are telling us, because it has a detonator. somebody would have needed to operate it. let's turn now to matthew chance. he's in moscow with more. any reaction to this claim, that this soda can was used to bring down the plane? >> it's interesting because there hasn't been any reaction so far, at least not officially here in russia, to that picture, that image that was put on that isis online magazine showing that tin can, soda can, a switch, and a detonator. but i expect there will be later on in the day because there's a briefing of various officials coming up in the next few hours, so maybe they'll have something to say then. what the russians have been emphasizing over the course of the past few hours is the action they're taking in syria to combat isis. and they've been talking about the raids they've been carrying out. you mentioned that they've been

targeting the convoys of oil tankers heading toward the iraqi border from isis-controlled territory inside syria. the russians saying that over the past several days they've destroyed 500 vehicles carrying oil, oil tankers, in their tracks essentially. they've also been targeting other oil installations in isis-held territory to try and cut off this essential flow of revenue to that group, hala. >> all right. matthew chance is live in moscow. thanks very much. >> some news that's really shake the united states right now, very controversial. honduran authorities say they have arrested five syrian nationals traveling with passports stolen in greece. >> now, the men traveled to five other countries before they were caught in the honduran capital. police are yet to confirm it but they say the men were likely trying to reach the united states and that they're being investigated on charges of falsifying documents. coming up for us on cnn,

isis says its attacks are carried out in the name of islam, but one of the highest religious authorities in sunni islam has a much, much different take. this man not mincing words at all. stay with us for a live report.

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one of the highest religious authorities in sunni islam condemning the recent string of attacks by isis. >> the grand mufti of egypt is now saying that the terrorist group's actions are not justified by the koran and that he rejects the militants' ideology. he also has a word of caution for young people around the world. ian lee reports. >> reporter: three isis attacks in three weeks. explosions and gunmen kill more than 120 people in paris. twin suicide bombings killed 43 in beirut. and 224 people killed after isis blew up a russian plane in egypt. all in the name of islam. i sat down with egypt's grand mufti, one of the premier legal authorities in sunni islam. how do you feel when terrorist attacks are carried out in the name of islam?

>> translator: terrorist operations carried out in the name of islam pain us. in fact, islam rejects such operations. we stand in solidarity with those killed in these events. >> isis says they're using the koran to support their actions. does the koran justify this violence? >> translator: isis's actions aren't justified in the holy koran. isis warps its teachings. we have found 50 verses from the core. which isis has twisted and misinterpreted out of context. >> what would be your message to someone who's thinking about joining isis or someone who's already in isis? >> translator: i would tell the world's youth not to be seduced by isis and these terrorist organizations. find a qualified expert in islamic law. isis only serves its own interests and not the world. >> what can the average muslim

do, then, who is part of these communities in the wake of these attacks? >> translator: muslims in the west should interact with their communities and to positively assimilate in these communities. the type of assimilation that doesn't cancel their muslim identity but geared toward building good behavior and showing the right image of islam. >> reporter: the grand mufti is spearheading a global initiative called not in the name of muslims to combat islamophobia. the mufti stresses that only united can the world defeat terrorism. >> we're joined by cnn's ian lee in cairo right now. ian, a very interesting discussion. do you have a sense of how much the grand mufti considers isis and these terror groups operating very nearby, how much of a threat he considers them to be not just to egypt but to the type of islam he promotes? >> reporter: well, i've interviewed the grand mufti a

number of times, and after these tragic incidents the last one was after isis killed that jordanian pilot, and he has every time said that isis is one of the largest threats not only to national security but also to the religion. he says it is a moderate religion and that these people who he says are not muslims are trying to hijack it, trying to taint the name of islam and trying to sow discord between the muslim community and other communities. he does see this as a real threat on two different fronts. >> all right. ian lee, thanks very much for that and that report. the interview with the grand mufti in egypt. here in paris people are pulling together after the attacks, but the political climate is shifting to the right. and one woman is leading the move. up next i talk to marine le pen, the president of the national front party. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing,

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welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm hala gorani in paris. >> and i'm john berman. you're watching cnn's special coverage of the paris terror attacks. this morning french police conducting dna tests to try to identify the two people, at least two people who died in a raid in an apartment, two apartments in saint dennis early on wednesday. >> we know, john, that the target was abdelhamid abaaoud, the man suspected of orchestrating, organizing these attacks in paris. his whereabouts still very much unknown at this stage. >> that's why they're testing the body parts found to try to find some kind of match to determine if he was dead.

amateur video gives you a sense of the overwhelming force used in the raid. thousands of rounds fired. authorities say they moved in just in time they think to keep these people from launching another attack. >> now, apparently cell phones left behind at the scene of friday's attacks led them to the apartment. all in all, john, eight people have been arrested. this is going to be interesting because usually in these cases terrorists end up dead and then you have to sort of walk back with different types of forensic evidence, circumstantial evidence, et cetera, and try to figure out what happened that led to the attacks. in this particular case there's human intelligence. it must be invaluable. >> unclear the identities of the eight people now in custody. the one thing french officials did say is it is not abdelhamid abaaoud, he is not one of the people in custody. so either he is dead or he wasn't there. >> well, the french president francois hollande says his country is at war. he in fact is proposing new laws

and more spending on public safety in response to these attacks. >> going on right now. the french national assembly gathering to debate this plan to extend france's state of emergency for three months. that would be relatively unprecedented. >> right. and this is the type of law that has been used only a few times. the last time was during the franco-algerian war in the late '50s and early '60s. now, just to give you a little bit of a sense of what's happening here in terms of the mood, people in paris are trying to get back to some sense of normalcy. but the aftereffects of the terrorist attacks are real and they are everywhere. >> reporter: one prominent example, the day after the attacks marine le pen, the president of the far right national front party, she demanded a crackdown on islamists in france, declaring france and the french are no longer safe. >> well, just about an hour and a half ago i talked to le pen to find out what is behind her controversial comments.

>> you have asked for the immediate halt of migration and refugees, of syrian refugees to france. are you not using this tragedy for political gain? >> translator: no. i did not use the attempts -- the terrorist attempts to stop immigration and refugees, 1 million refugees, in 2015, 3 million. i think -- i just think this is crazy. i have been saying it for a long time, since 2011. however, i had also warned the french and the authorities very clearly that there will be in these immigrants terrorists who will infiltrate into. and that's exactly what has happened. so confronted with this reality of this threat i think we have to make an urgent decision. >> but it has not been proven that this is a syrian man. it could have been a stolen

passport. we don't have definitive proof of any of this. so how can you jump to those conclusions? >> but that passport, whether it's real or false, what came through greece, came through serbia, and came to paris. so there is somebody who accompanied that passport and made that journey. so given this kind of huge threat and which is literal liu a declaration of war to france, we cannot take the risk. it questions the safety. it challenges the safety of french. and i am here to fight for the safety of the french. >> you talk of 3 million potential migrants over the next two years. france has only accepted or agreed to accept tens of thousands. those numbers don't correspond to reality at all, do they? >> translator: yes. but 3 million comes from the european commission for the whole union, european union. yes, but you have to understand

but there are no more frontiers exist. all national frontiers have gone. but however, when germany takes 800,000 people, it is incapable of looking after those refugees. the moment they have legal status, they can go anywhere in europe. so this idea of the few thousands that have come here, i am from calais, that region, and i can tell you that it is a totally crazy situation, that they're mad to say it's only that amount. multiply it by three, just in calais. so -- so there is a huge amount of immigration coming in. and this is going to add to the high immigration. >> this is the message of isis, be afraid of everyone. they want to terrorize the world. are you not simply also repeating the same message?

>> translator: it is the argument that was immediately developed by mr. obama and madam merkel, by the u.n. yeah. so the idea that they want to develop, i will say once again, i am here to protect the safety of the french. i can see that the united states, some of them believe now to receive syrian refugees is to take a risk that's not acceptable. there are other solutions that we have been suggesting for years, which means to put humanitarian centers where we can look after the population who are genuinely in danger, close as possible to their country, to their territories, instead of bringing them here. >> marine le pen is the leader of the national front. it's a far right party. now, john, crucially, there are important regional elections in three weeks, and even though

politicians in this country have said we're going to respect a period of sort of solemn reflection in the country, let me tell you something, within 24 hours they were all out making statements. certainly it appeared as though in the case of marine le pen and others trying to capitalize a little bit on the situation in this country to score some political points. >> it's really interesting here that first of all french president francois hollande has said he will receive the 30,000 refugees he has promised to allow in this country. he will not chait policy there. and to hear her talk, that's exactly the debate going on in the united states right now. over a far smaller number of refugees. president obama has promised to veto a measure that congress will discuss over the next few days that will place restrictions on accepting syrian refugees. >> and the full interview will air a little later on cnn international. but one of the things i asked her was are you not playing into isis's hands? essentially, they want people to be afraid of refugees. they want to divide society in this country and you're essentially being the sort of --

you are embracing that same message. of course she disagreed with me on that one. but we'll have the full interview a little later. >> this is part of the discussion right now taking place inside the french parliament. we have some live pictures now to show you. what's going on here is they're discussing extending the state of emergency in france, extending this really unprecedented level of activity, emergency going on right now. they're looking to extend it, what, another three months? >> that's correct. and that's the prime minister manuel valls there addressing parliament there. it is expected this measure will be approved. we'll keep following that and the rest of the day's news after a break. time is more than cleansing. your loving touch stimulates his senses and nurtures his mind. the johnson's scent, lather, and bubbles help enhance the experience. so why just clean your baby, when you can give him so much more? ...one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back

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welcome back to "cnn newsroom." an international manhunt under way this morning for salah abdeslam, who was believed to have been involved in the paris terror attacks. he was last seen on the road headed to belgium in the hours

after the attacks, and his brother ibrahim reportedly one of those killed in the attacks. >> and as cnn's kyung lah reports, this isn't the first time we've seen family members commit acts of terror together. >> reporter: in the saint-denis raids the woman who blew herself up as police approached believed to be the country of abdelhamid abaaoud, the ringleader in the paris attacks. family tied in terror. also seeing what the abdeslam brothers. french newspaper "le monde" reporting ibrahim abdeslam rented this car then detonated his suicide bomb outside a cafe in eastern paris in the attacks. his brother salah abdeslam fled. now europe's most wanted man. they share a family name, a life history, and radical believes. >> a lot, a lot of our cases revolved around family members working together.

>> reporter: just look at recent history. earlier this year in the "charlie hebdo" attack brothers said and cherif kouachi spearheaded the massacre. the boston marathon bombing, homegrown terrorists and brothers dzhokhar and tamerlan tsarnaev. the 9/11 hijackers. of the 19 there were three sets of brothers. >> they'll support each other sometimes even when they're not ideologically sold on what you're believing in. they're following you, not an ideology. >> my name is ahmad ibrahim -- >> reporter: in 2011 ahmed halani left his family in england to join isis. one year later his twin sisters salma and zara, once popular high-achieving twins, followed and became jihadi brides. and last fall then 19-year-old mohammed hamza khan packed his bags and headed to chicago's o'hare to join isis in syria. traveling with him, his 17 and 15-year-old brother and sister.

u.s. customs stopped them at the gate. his mother made this impassioned plea. >> we have a message for isis. mr. baghdadi and his fellow social media recruiters. leave our children alone. >> reporter: but blood isn't necessarily thicker than beliefs. although the police have been questioning the brother of salah abdesl abdeslam, mohammed abdeslam claims he wasn't radicalized, telling erin burnett why. >> you live in the same house. did they ever approach you? >> no. >> translator: no. they know who i am. it's difficult to get close to me. nobody can radicalize me. i have my own ideas. >> reporter: kyung lah, cnn, los angeles. >> of course the abdeslams, they lived in molenbeek, a neighborhood outside brussels right now. the fact they were all in belgium. the fact that brussels and belgium had become something of a hub for international terror right now has really caused an enormous debate in that country about what to do.

>> abdelhamid abaaoud the suspected mastermind of these attacks as well suspected of being very active in trying to organize big attacks in that country as well as on that high-speed train just a few months ago this summer. our senior international correspondent ivan watson joins us live from brussels with more. and what more do we know right now about the status of abdelhamid abaaoud, the suspected ringleader? >> well, at this point the belgian security services are not telling us about his current status. they have told us that all the information about the raid in saint-denis in paris has to come from the french authorities. in the meantime, hala, we're now monitoring a speech that's being given by the belgian prime minister in the federal parliament here in which he is discussing the aftermath of the paris attacks and very much aware of the role that belgian citizens and belgian residents have played in these terrible

attacks. he's proposed a number of new measures to strengthen the security services here in belgium. for example, proposing an additional 400 million euros of budget to go towards some of these efforts to control belgium's real problem with jihadi volunteers. after all, per capita this country has more volunteer jihadis trying to get to the battlefields in syria, joining isis, than any other western european country. he's also proposed measures such as putting an electronic security bracelet onto people who are suspected of being involved in terrorist activities. he's called for more actions to support the local authorities in that neighborhood that has come up again and again in this investigation, molenbeek. that is, a neighborhood of brussels. the capital of the european union that the suspected

ringleader of the paris attacks abdelhamid abaaoud, that he grew up in. just a few doors down from two brothers who were key suspects in the paris attacks. ibrahim and salah abdeslam. ibrahim being one of the suicide bombers and salah being perhaps one of the most wanted men in europe right now, at large. and the vehicle he had been traveling in after the paris attacks actually ended up back in his home neighborhood of molenbeek. belgian authorities have gone on to say that there are some long-standing ties between abaaoud, the suspected isis ringmaster here, and the brothers, in particular salah abdeslam, who is still a fugitive right now. both of them were arrested and convicted on the same charge of theft in 2011 and spent a month in prison. and it just goes to show that

abaaoud seems to have used people from his earlier years here in brussels as well as perhaps relatives like his female cousin, who was said to have been in the apartment in saint-denis as part of this deadly conspiracy. hala. >> ivan watson for us in brussels right now. ivan's at the parliament. it's so interesting you see that discussion going on in brussels right now. the parliament there. right here in france there's a debate right now about extending the state of emergency. in the united states over the next few days they'll be having votes in congress about the refugee issue with syrians. this is truly now an international discussion being had. >> absolutely. but it all boils down of course in this case to the victims. up next, a powerful interview with a widower of friday's paris attacks and why he tells us he will not succumb to hate. listen.

we'll be right back with that and more. he wrote an open letter to isis. you don't want to miss this. we'll be right back.

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there have been some amazing

displays of courage in the face of all the horror here. and hala, you spoke with a man who lost his life in the bataclan concert hall. >> right. and i was just telling you, she actually went to that concert with a friend who had introduced them. so it was just such a tragedy. his name is antoine leiris. he tells me he lost the love of his life in the massacre, and he sent an open letter, john, to isis on facebook. it was shared -- i think so far it's been shared 200,000 times. it really hit a nerve. i talked to him about his message for the killers and the anguish of searching for his murdered wife. >> it passed two days before i know she was dead. i spent the night on the road with my brother to see every hospital in paris and in the suburbs. and i learn -- [ speaking french ] >> so you learned on saturday,

but still you had to wait until monday. and you felt bad about that. because you weren't close to her. dead or alive, that was not the point. i just want to be with her. >> and then you wrote this post on facebook, which is the reason we are speaking, because it has been shared more than 120,000 or 130,000 times. the headline of it is "i will not succumb to hate." [ speaking french ] friday night you stole an exceptional life, the love of my life, the mother of my son, but i will not succumb to hate. >> no. >> what made you write that?

and the other thing you that said is -- [ speaking french ] "we are only two, my son and me, but we are stronger than all the armies of the world." which i thought was so beautiful. >> they can have all the kalashnikov, all -- i don't know

about daesh and et cetera. we stand free. we stand with the taste of life. we stand with happiness. we play games with my son. and then no, they don't win. no. we stand. >> your son is only 17 months. >> yes. >> so still he doesn't understand. >> but he feels everything. and he know everything. we talk about it. and then he cry. but he was crying about -- because his mother. he miss his mother. so i took my phone and put some music that he was listening with his mother and we look at photos. show him this is my mother, mama. mama, mama, mama. then he cries and we cry together. we don't pretend that we're not sad or devastated. no. we are.

but we stand. since friday nightlife decide for me. day after day. i will see. >> taking it one day at a time, antoine leiris. just a really heartbreaking story. a different kind of survival story. >> i can't imagine having the strength to talk about it like he is after something like that. and to hear him describe looking at the photos and having his child say "mama, mama, mama." >> just really sad. we're going to have a lot more of our special coverage of the terrorist attacks, all angles. of course the suspected terrorists but also the victims. i'm hala gorani. >> we have some live pictures right now. we want to show you what's going on in the french parliament. they are debating extending the state of emergency here. this would be something that hasn't happened in more than 50 years in this country. this could be an impassioned debate today. it is a very important debate. it goes to show just the level of discussion, the level of interest right now in making sure these attacks don't happen again.

we'll be right back. >> translator: state where -- . .

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hello. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm hala gorani. >> and i'm john berman. welcome to the special coverage of the terror attack. we have been here all week. >> france is under a state of emergency. the first time the entire nation has been under such a state of emergency in more than 50 years. >> right now, french lawmakers debating whether to extend the state of emergency for three more months. the debate comes the dayer