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prepared to be commander in chief. >> sarah murray with donald trump in iowa with us. thanks very much. that's it for me. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer "the situation room." cnn special coverage of the paris attacks continues right now with erin burnett "outfront." good evening, welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. breaking news, a massive international manhunt for a suspected terrorist on the run. the search for salah abdeslam is moving to the netherlands where he spent time in the past. salah abdeslam whose brother blew himself up outside a cafe fled to belgium where police stopped him and released him on the night of the attacks. later intelligence indicated he would be in spain. this as isis and yet another new video issues a new threat tonight specifically targeting rome, paris and the white house. boasting they will burn the white house black.
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and the state department also issuing a warning to all americans in italy, a potential terror attack on st. peters basilica and more generally on restaurants, churches, synagogues across that country. it could be similar to those that devastated paris. they killed the reported mastermind of the attacks, abdelhamid abaqoud, his bullet riddle body identified by pints from his hands and feet. the woman believed to be his cousin who blew herself up, hasna aitboulahcen. jim, the jim, the manhunt is expanding tonight. they have been looking now down in spain. now, they are looking in the netherlands, why? >> the fact is, they don't know where he is. the reason they are looking at the netherlands is he has past
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associations there. that's what they are doing now to try to find him. where could he go? where would he have old contacts looking to protect him? he knows he is being looked for now. his face is out there on this international arrest warrant. the question is where he is now. just keep in mind, you know this well, moving from country-to-country in europe, the distances are short. the borders are largely open. it's more like going state to state in the u.s. than country to country. very easy to move around. remember, they consider him very dangerous. he's willing to kill and die on friday. they think that's still true today. >> jim, thank you. we are learning more about another attack he may have tried to carry out. >> that's right. this is an attack that he was connected to in an attempt to attack a concert hall here in paris in august of 2015.
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sounds familiar because that's what happened friday night at the bataclan. another man arrested for this. why is that important? another missed warning sign. someone arrested three months before that attack, speaking of exactly the same kind of plot with exactly the same plotter. the trouble is, so many potential plotters around the country, so many potential terrorists. it's proven and we saw it friday, difficult to track them. >> jim, thank you. as jim mentioned, he appears to have been, appears they are saying at this time, involved in four of six foiled terror plots since the spring. four of six. nic robertson is out front. >> shocking video. a vicious assault on a cafe during the paris attacks. patrons scrambling under flying glass. automatic weapons fire everywhere.
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in this video on dailymail.com, a gunman outside targeting a woman on the ground. his rifle jams. miraculously her life is spared. today, french officials with a stunning announcement about the master mind of the attacks. the 27-year-old. >> translator: the public has just announced he was indeed the terrorist killed yesterday morning. [ gunfire ] >> reporter: out front, this exclusive video of the raid. police unloaded 5,000 rounds and explosives on their targets. in the rubble, a bullet riddled body. investigators using fingerprints from the fingers, palms and soles of the feet identify him. he was known to french
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intelligence as a militant. in one video, he says he enjoyed spilling the blood of infidels. he is seen driving a truck, trailing behind it a string of dead bodies. also killed in the assault, his female cousin. hasna al. she blew herself up in an exchange with the police. two crucial clues led the police to zero in. phone indicates his cousin was inside and moroccan intelligence alerting them two days before the raid that he was in france, not syria, as many believed. he grew up in belgium, in the poor, immigrant neighborhood. known to have links to terror
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plots. after a string of petty crimes, he appears to have been radicalized even taking his 13-year-old brother with him to syria. among his friends, he blew himself up in the paris attacks. one is still on the run. the suspect of an international manhunt. now he is dead, the police will get more information to go on. perhaps cell phones begin to backtrack where he was and what he was doing in the days before the attack last friday. the concern, of course, is, he came back to france undetected. we heard from the french officials saying he is connected with other known jihadists here. how many more, like him, snuck back, are under the radar and authorities here don't know. how lucky were they to get the tip off two or three days ago
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from moroccan authorities. >> thank you, nic. the attorney representing the family. natalie, you were the one that told his father that his son was dead. was his father sad that his son died in this raid or was he glad? >> he was not sad. he was not glad. i don't know the name in english, i'm sorry, my english is not perfect. in french, i think that we could say that he was -- >> relieved? he was relieved? >> yes. he was relieved because he knew already in the last month that his son was linked to all the terrorism act, which happen in europe. he was afraid. his son had maybe committed
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something horrible. >> it's been reported he was very involved with his parent's business in brussels. he was presiding over board meetings in 2013. when did his father learn or think, notice for the first time that his son was becoming radicalized? >> it was during 2013. his son was beginning to make a lot of critics, concerning the way the father was educating the small kids because he was educating them, you know, like european. abdelhamid was upset about that. >> he said horrible things.
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one of the things he said, i quote him from a video, it gives me pleasure from time-to-time to see blood of the disbelievers run. he put out another video. you can see him dragging a pile of bodies behind a truck in syria. what did his father say to you when he saw this video, when he heard these horrible things? >> he said -- he said exactly that this was the behavior of a psycho path. for him, it was the proof that his son became a devil. >> does the father think he's responsible for that in any way? does the family look back and say was there something they did that enabled abellhamid to become this devil? >> i will tell you sincerely what i think.
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the father, i'm sure, is feeling guilty. >> natalie, you are representing the brother. of course he is on the run. they say, the police say he was a part of the attacks in paris on friday. has he tried to contact his brother, tried to reach out to him for help in any way? >> no. no. and i had to contact this evening. she wants first to know if maybe salah is among the people who have not identified right now in paris. he's waiting to see if salah is alive or on the run. so, he asked me today, to tell
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salah that if he was still alive that abaaoud was dead. he doesn't need to be afraid of him and he must go to the belgium authorities. it's maybe the only way to avoid that he could be arrested and shot down by the police during this arrest. >> natalie, i don't know if you have seen video, cctv video from inside one of the restaurants. it's horrible to watch, but it's video of the actual shooting. you see a shooter shooting into the restaurant, killing people. the daily mail newspaper identifies the shooter as salah. has mohammed seen that? what does he think about the possibility that salah murdered people? >> i don't know about that
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video. mohamed was not telling me about the video. it was already shown by the belgium authorities on tv. >> what do you think his reaction will be, if he can identify that it's his brother? >> he will be horrified. he will be horrified. he's still expecting that maybe his brother was only playing a small role in this story. >> natalie, i thank you for your time. >> thank you, erin. now, our terrorism analyst, paul. you heard the attorney say he had a message. i spoke to him earlier this week, he wanted to pass this message along to share. he wanted salah to know he is
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dead. don't be afraid of him, turn yourself in. do you think that's enough for him to surrender? >> no. he's a religious fanatic that killed a lot of people in paris as part of that attack in a major way. i understand that cctv footage here in paris showed him on the day of the attack. investigators believe he was involved. for some reason, he didn't detonate his suicide vest. some people think maybe he had, perhaps, second thoughts after killing people if he wanted to kill himself or it malfuncti malfunctioned. there's a missing suicide vest. he is on the run. the last time is when they stopped at 9:00 in the morning saturday as he was driving toward belgium with the people who came to pick him up.
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they let him go because they didn't know he was involved. they really don't know where he is. >> it's terrifying. it shows the difficulty of the intelligence here. when i spoke to natalie, she spoke of his brother, he's very young. he is now 15. his father hasn't heard from him since he was taken to syria. he was 13, he is now 15. is he a risk? >> we don't know, really, about him. what we do know is he was abducted, essentially by his older brother, who presumably tried to abjuduct him and takeno join isis in syria at 13 years old. presumably made him join isis ranks, exposed him to brutality.
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we have seen older brothers exposing young children to brutality, getting involved in execution of prisoners. some of the things the older brother was doing, too grizzly to describe on television. presumably, this is a youngster that's become brutalized. whether he's with isis, we don't know. that's the assumption of european security officials. >> thank you. next, the prime minister warning of chemical and biological attacks. isis directing american fighters to stay in the united states and carry out attacks in the homeland. the head of the fbi responds today. video of the paris cafe attack. what this image tells us about isis fighter capabilities. we are going to break it down. actually be exactly what i am.
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sxz. a warning from french president. isis is per suing the development of chemical development. what can you tell us about why the prime minister issued today. it took us by surprise. >> reporter: it certainly did. what the prime minister was trying to say is this is a constantly evolving threat. isis is constantly evolving, changing tactics, developing. it's important for viewers to remember, even a month ago, it would have been inconceivable to imagine there could have been a complex act like we saw on friday, multiple suicide bombings in paris, after
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"charlie hebdo." at the same time, we know isis experimented with chemical compounds inside iraq. they use traced of mustard gas and shells they fired at kurdish forces. so far, not with much success. it is the job of french authorities and authorities across the west to make sure they are adequately prepared for all the possibilitiepossibiliti. this is a quickly evolving threat. erin? >> thank you. now i want to go to the deputy of paris who joins me from the plaza dela republic. thank you very much. this warning about the chemical and biological attack, did it take you by surprise to hear this by the prime minister? >> well, of course i was kind of surprised. the message is not the risk of
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chemical attack. it's that we have to now be ready for anything, any kind of attack. of course, the biggest threat we can imagine is a chemical attack. but, i'm less surprised with a chemical attack than what happened at the bataclan last friday. >> let me ask you about this. are you prepared? you say you have to be ready for anything. certainly, it's almost impossible to be ready for another attack at the bataclan and is paris ready for another attack if isis pulled it off? >> well, first, global message of the prime minister is, again, we have to be ready for anything that would happen and the level of threat is, of course, very high. although, we know that the master mind of the attacks has been killed. the risk is still very high.
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secondly, we have plans in paris to face this kind of attacks and cannot tell you that everything is ready for that. we are planned for it. but, of course, we have security plans for this kind of threat. i don't know if they have been upgraded so far or lately. of course we have this kind of plans. but, we are not in an imminent emergency. i think, again, threat is high and we have to be ready for anything. >> obviously, the ring leader here was killed, as you mentioned, just outside paris. you know, i was in that neighborhood yesterday deputy mayor and people in that neighborhood knew that abdelhamid was there. they didn't call authorities. are you concerned salah abdeslam
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could be hiding in plain sight? >> of course, there's a possibility he could be hidden anywhere in france. but, i don't think the people who knew that some people were hiding there knew who was this abaaoud and what he did. not who are these people and what are their ideology. intelligence in the great coordination between services all over europe and the world and united states to find this guy. it's not by local information that will get them. it's mostly by intelligence and by police inquiries. >> deputy mayor, thank you very much. good to talk to you again, sir.
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i appreciate you being up so late in paris. i want to go to our counterism. >> they said they need to be prepared for anything when referring to chemical weapons, aspiration of isis. how big of a concern is this? >> the concern isn't high if you are looking at conventional judgments about terror groups. there are very, very few terror groups that get into the chemical biological game. the problem is the 1% in the intelligence business. if you chase conventional plots and 1 out of 100 is true, it's inefficient. if you trade one out of 100, it's a high rit rate. you have to focus on these. the potential downside is so significant. i think the likelihood is low.
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that doesn't mean you can't take it seriously. what about salah abdeslam. could he be in plain sight? the people that knew he was there, but the fact they didn't call was an endorsement anyway. >> i think he's hiding in plain sight. they have to have a way, not only with high end players like this, but for common every day recruits from western europe to smuggle them in, i will say one thing about the continuation of the fight against them. if they locate him, given the fact he's already participated in murder, the chance he goes down without a fight is very low. >> thank you very much, phil. that's something his brother told me, they are worried there could be a shootout with police. he could dpo out in a blaze.
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welcome back to viewers in the united states and around the world. the fbi director says dozens in the united states are being monitored for fear of copy cat attacks of the paris massacre. he's slamming a new and controversy yawl house bill that requires him and top officials to personally vet and vounlg for refugees coming into the united states. kevin perez is out front. this is a stunning thing they are being required -- you putting your own personal name on the line for the refugees. what do they say about that. >> the fbi director said really, it's impossible to verify and to sign something that says 100% there's going to be no risk from every single one of these refugees that will be coming
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from iraq and syria. it's not possible for them to do. they say there's a process they have worked with, intelligence agencies, homeland security, state department as a way to vet the refugees. it's a process that takes up to two years. they say it's a process they are working on. as for trying to sign something that says 100%, we guarantee you this person is not going to cause problems, is impossible. >> the fbi director also said something that, at first blush, seems like a good thing. fewer americans going to syria to join isis. but that's a bad thing, it might be, right? >> exactly. it's a complicated picture. the problem is, they don't know why that is. it may be that people are listening to law enforcement. but, he said people are maybe heeding the word from isis, maybe you should stay here and kill here. that's the concern the fbi director raised. that's the reason why he has
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dozens of people under monitoring and 900 investigations open across 50 states. they want to make sure what happened in paris doesn't happen here. >> thank you very much. now the new york city police commissioner and news day columnist is here. good to have both of you. this is a stunning development. a top u.s. official would have to vet and certify every refugee coming into the united states. frankly, it's absurd. >> he's put between a rock and a hard place. last month, before a house oversight committee, he admitted there was no real way we could guarantee the safety and security of the people coming into this country, of the refugees. if they haven't been picked up on one of our intelligence sites somewhere while they were over there, then when they get here and come to the borders, we don't know who they are.
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>> you think it's the right thing not to let them in? >> i would rather be safe than sorry. what we have been given@past and dealt with in the past, i don't want to put anybody in this country at risk. >> there is real fear here. in paris, syrian refugees were showing their passports to me, saying, look, for 750 euro, i can get you a fake passport that you tont have to pay for until you prove you can enter the united kingdom. that easily gets you into the united states. when you hear that, that's why people are afraid of letting in the refugees. >> the fear is understandable. something bad happened. there may be more bad things. in the end, this is a scapegoating of people who aren't the danger. deal with the training camps. talk to the things we know are a
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danger. since 9/11, 750,000 people came from the program from the worst places in the world. there's not a case of them committing a terrorist act. the more time we pander on this, the less time to focus on the real dangers. >> what do you say to that? president obama is failing by only suggesting the united states should take 10,000 refugees. he says the united states should take 100,000 refugees next year from syria. >> i say take them all, if you can guarantee you are taking the right ones. take as many as you can take. my fear is we don't get the right ones. not getting them, look, they are coming from syria where isis is decapitating people and doing all the barbaric stuff you have seen and talked about in the last year. we don't need one of those
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people in this country. that's my fear. i joe jordanians, egyptians, syrians, friends, muslims and christians that came out of the middle east and live here. i'm good friends. i don't want religious fanatics to come into this country and do what they are doing. >> of course not. of course not. let's go look where the dangerous people are. let's forget about the orphans and little children and ladies who are the refugees. frankly, it's a waste of time for cheap, political zuliolitic. the professionals ought to say let's focus where the real problem is. >> ben carson compared syrian refugees to rabid dogs. >> we must balance safety against being a humanitarian.
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for instance, you know, if there's a rabid dog running around your neighborhood, you probably not going to assume something good about that dog. and you are probably going to get your children out of the way. doesn't mean you hate all dogs. by the same token, we have to have in place screening mechanisms that allow us to determine who the mad dogs are, quite frankly. >> the analogy is the refugees are the dogs and the bad ones are the rabid dogs. >> do you think maybe donald trump was doing the ghost writing there? we have that rhetoric that's mostly come from trump. we learned lessons after nine. we were all scared. we spent a lot of resources, money and time and limited law enforcement on stuff that was
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dumb to be focused on. let's do the things we know we need and leave the pandering to the politicians. >> he weighed into this. he considered a registry, just for muslims, so the muslims in the united states would have to register. is that the american way? >> i don't agree with that. look, i know a lot of law-abiding muslims, religious muslims that believe in the koran. they are moderate people. at the end of the day, that's not the people we are worried about. we have to worry about the one that is are bad people. for us, monitor christians, too? radical, you know, crazy christians or whatever? stop. it's getting too political. focus on the real enemy, radical islam and the people that want demise in this country, that's what we need to focus on.
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tonight, the president of france, vowing to fight against isis with air strikes over syria. russia stepping up air strikes as well after concluding an isis bomb took down the flight. nick peyton walsh is on the ground. nick, air strikes from the united states, france vowing to intensify strikes. what is it like on the ground? >> reporter: sheerly terrifying. remember, they have been through the brutalization of isis, now trapped by that group and finding, as you mentioned, the
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list of air forces above them. we have been hearing the air strikes happening again and slightly to the west of it. two eyewitnesses, tens of kilometers away hearing 20 lengthy rumbling explosions. activists saying isis leaders fled east. some saying maybe that's not the case. they must be feeling the pressure from the skies and on the ground. whether they lash out to the u.s. and the west or fade back, we don't know. >> that is the crucial question. do you have any sense? you have abaaoud killed. so many young men from europe and syria right now. what is the impact on isis, if any and is there a sense of whether they are regrouping or planning more from where you are? >> reporter: i think you have to separate those cells in europe
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who have their planning and have a degree of autonomy and may not need a signal from syria. we don't know if there was one in france. it's clear they are having setbacks in syria and iraq. we saw how they lost the route that goes twun raqqah and syria. now they are getting hit in their self-declared harder than before. it may cause some civilians to be furious and empathize with them. isis have been stifling for so long, they can be doing nothing but suffering. many are wondering whether the tide is turning in syria and iraq. >> thank you so much, nick. nick reporting, taking great personal risk to do these reports inside syria. thanks. more of the dramatic surveillance video at a paris
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tonight an international manhunt under way for salah abdeslam heading toward belgium. the deputy mayor of paris saying they wouldn't be surprised if he was still in paris. we have the first video of inside the cafe from friday night. dailymail.com posting this. jake tapper is out front. >> reporter: these horrifying images from inside the restaurant obtained by dailymail.com show the frightening moments when a gunman opens fire on bystanders enjoying night out in paris.
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they sprayed dozens of bullets, killing five people. the cameras capturing how terrifying the experience was. three closed circuit cameras capture the instant the terrorists began just after 9:30 friday night. a midst the panic and shattering debris are people trying to survive, finding cover, hiding under tables, taking refuge behind this bar running to another floor as bullets fly. two employees of the restaurant are scene ducking down behind the bar, one slips down the stairs out of sight. the other would help pull a woman to safety out of view of the attacker. that woman escaping the terrorists from outside finding cover behind the bar as this man stumbles diving to the floor. he would later get to his feet and scramble up the stairs. it shows one of the isis terrorists approaches here at
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the outdoor seating area where at least two diners are hiding thankfully, however, his gun jams. this is the chilling moment the terrorists spots a woman hiding outside under a table. he walks toward her and takes aim at point blank range but his gun jams and he runs away. watch it again. the gunman pointing directly at her head, miraculously the woman gets away alive along with another hiding just feet away. jake tapper, cnn, paris, france. >> pretty incredible that woman just at point blank execution surviving. a cnn law enforcement analyst, former u.s. marshal. in this video from daily mail.com, you see people diving, bullets flying, no one died in this restaurant, no one died. how shocking is that? >> it is pretty amazing. i mean, the video takes -- it's less than a minute and in about 40 seconds in you see the weapon
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jam. i think when you look at this video at that particular point in time, it looks like he's going to walk into the restaurant and then sees the two women hiding under the table and decides to go ahead and take them out and when you hear the one click, the gun jams. he decides to walk away and this all takes place inless than a minute. it's absolutely terrifying and un unbelievable. >> it is. if you look closely you see the ak-47 jam. he's about to target this woman at point blank and ready to shoot her without a motion, without care like we've seen with every gunman right there. all right? then he moves on because it jams. what does that tell you about the gunman? that a lack of competence, of training? was that? >> yeah, i think at this point when you look at this, this is probably a target of opportunity and they were moving onto the primary objective, but if you're well-trained with these weapons, it's easy to clear a jam like that and probably what happens is a lot of times on these aks
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because they are mass produced in several countries around the world, the most popular assault rifle made, the magazine doesn't seat correctly up into the receiver of the weapon and a lot of times that bolt will jam or you'll get a misfire and it really all it takes is ten to 15 seconds to be able to clear that and continue on. >> so he didn't -- are you surprised he didn't wait the ten to 15 seconds and execute this woman? he ran away instead. >> he walked away basically. he had to get in the vehicle and move onto the next target, clear the weapon inside the vehicle and get ready for the next shooting match. i think there obviously not only are the two women lucky outside but the rest of the people inside the restaurant. >> certainly are. thank you so much. "outfront" next, today i met an artist on my flight back to paris. his work inspired by the charlie hebdo attack today debuting
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flag, you see it there. today was the first day that plane flew with the logo, so the only plane and the first day and we happened to be on it, the artist that created it was on board. he was born in america and now lives in paris. >> it's a flag and at the same time it's a value that everybody can identify with, you know, especially here in the states, which is, you know, when you talk about liberty and these are things that americans also share as values. >> john one says the plane art was inspired by the charlie hebdo terror shooting. today, though, was long planned as the rollout and the airline stuck with that plan in spite of the horrific attacks in paris. >> it was very emotional because there was a lot of like concern of whether we should do this, was it the right time to do it right after the attacks in paris and i live in that same neighborhood where everything
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happened. >> john one told me he's proud his art is on a plane, something he says is the physical tangible proof that french values touchdown tris around the world. thanks so much for joining us. our coverage tonights with "ac 360." good evening live from paris tonight, another day of major developments here across europe and around the world, as well as back in the united states. the leader of the paris swat team that went into the bataclan with only this shield and their training to protect them is speaking out, talking about what he saw inside what he calls hell on earth. also as the planner of last week's massacre is confirmed dead blown to bits, another killer remains on the run and the search for him is extended to the netherlands and a security forces round people up here, belgium and elsewhere, a possible new threat surfaces against rome and targets in the united states. back home lawmakers vote to all but stop the threat of refugees that will be able to come to the