welcome everybody to the viewers in the united states and around the world. we continue our special coverage in paris. i'm hala gorani. >> i'm john berman. we are standing on the champs elyllis. we have new details of the ring leader and architect of the attacks in paris. >> it is really stunning, according to the source close to the investigation. abdelhamid abaaoud was seen, we understand on cctv footage as

the bataclan scene was under way. >> he was four kilometers away. it is something as you said that he could have been there as these attacks were going on. we had described to us. we have not seen it ourselves, but operating in a subway station. this as an international manhunt is under way for additional suspects including salah abdeslam. >> new information as well regarding the woman who blew herself up during the operation. according to sources who have been speaking to cnn. she has been identified at hasna aitboulahcen. you can hear police confront her before she detonated her bomb. listen. [ speaking french ] >> officials tell us that police have taken the woman's mother

and brother in for questioning. that is standard operating procedure of families of suspects. >> of course, authorities will want to speak to them. it doesn't mean they are under arrest or charged with anything. police have extended and enhanced authority to question people in a state of emergency that this country is now under. fred pleitgen joins us now who has been following this investigation to tell us more. tell us about the cctv footage. what do we know about where abdelhamid abaaoud was when these attacks were taking place last friday? >> reporter: it is interesting, hala. this is footage which was taken from a subway station from a metro station which is of course where one of the vehicles was used in one of the shootings.

what we heard from the authorities is that in that black seat, there were several people in the car as it made its get away. and the authorities found it and broke into the car and found three ak-47s, but otherwise the car was abandoned. the question is what was the person who was driving the car one of the attackers or did somebody else drive the car? now we hear close to where in that car was dumped is where abaaoud was apparently seen at the metro station. obviously trying to make his way to saint-denis where he was open pr apprehended. it appears that cctv footage was taken at a time while the siege at the bataclan was going on. he was involved in some of the

shooting incidents, but this happened while the siege at the bataclan was still going on. hala. >> fred pleitgen here in paris. thank you. as that is going on, the investigation continuing also in belgium. a series of raids believed to be connected to the paris attacks and several locations targeting to be associates with the attackers here. i understand at least nine people taken into custody there. >> as we try to piece together what happened, this network that perhaps in paris and authorities say the raids are tied to bilal hadfi. we have more on the continuing story with ivan watson.

>> reporter: he was wanted here in belgium. he was a resident of brussels who was believed to have gone to syria to join isis. there was an international arrest warrant out for him since early 2015. the belgium authorities did not know that he had gotten back into europe until he blew up his suicide belt on the night of last friday. and it is because of that kind of security trying to share more information and trying to strengthen border controls at the european union's external borders. that is why the special session is under way across the european union in brussels to discuss ways to prevent future attacks

like this. so they are talking about strengthening the external borders of europe. talk about better information sharing and trying to push through an initiative that they call passenger name record. basically try to get -- checking of wanted people at train stations and airports so guys like bilal hadfi would not get through. the guy killed in the raid, the organizer of the attacks, so they cannot get away living underground which investigators say there are a number of people wanted in wanted in attacks. john. >> ivan, to give you a sense of the scope of the investigation right now, cnn has been told there are reports that it is now spread to the netherlands as well. salah abdeslam could have gone through belgium and moved on there.

the search very much widening, ivan. >> reporter: that's right. it is important to remind viewers that there is still a key suspect missing. salah abdeslam, born here in brussels, who is believed to have been one of the key suspects. he's at large. authorities say he is dangerous. he was last seen driving from paris toward belgium after the attacks and disappeared. the car he was traveling in was found here in brussels. nobody knows where he is. netherlands is a neighbor to brussels. there were arrests, detentions made across the border in germany. they proved note to be fruitful. this gets back to one of the issues of militants can exploit. the fact you don't check passports when you cross between

countries with belgium, france, germany and netherlands. that is one of the reasons once somebody gets into the eu, they can move around freely. that is a challenge that governments are trying to deal with now. how do they secure societies here? also allowing passport free travel. john and hala. >> ivan watson for us in belgium where the raids and investigations continue. thanks, ivan. >> let's bring in our guest, an expert on terrorism and a professor at the university of versailles. melissa bell. let's start with the shooting in mali at a hotel there. it appears it would not be a stretch to assume there is some

sort of link there? >> you know we intervene normally. this has been in complete turmoil and then linked more to al qaeda. it is not too isis. it is france is on the branch. >> if you want to make a statement, france has a military presence, it would be in mali. it could be at the hotel near the capital. it is something we are watching. it has to be a concern that there could be other attacks. not just here, but elsewhere. >> this is something we have seen over the course of the last few weeks. over the course of the last few weeks. a number of targets. as you said in mali, so far here on well known parts of the region. it does tend to be groups linked

to al qaeda. what we have seen going back to the islamic state group is the increasing strategy of striking outside of the territory it controls. over the course of the last month, we had beirut, the russian plane over egypt. you now had paris. what many experts looking at it saying even though it seeks to strike targets outside. no confirmation that this is a true link. they have operated in the northern part of the country and french have been fighting for a while. >> let's go to the shifting strategy of isis striking outside controls. how long can it sustain this pace? from one day to the next, the russian jetliner and then the beirut bombings and now the paris attacks. >> the difference with al qaeda and isis is this is based on

territory. this is not al qaeda. what we might see is with the international coalition, the russians fighting from the air against isis. isis might actually add up to the same strategy as al qaeda. if they lose that territory, they might actually grow outside. it is the same in mali. what is interesting to see is that there is a war between isis and al qaeda. that's a part of what we see now in mali. >> i want to ask you about a piece of information we are getting in paris this morning. the security footage from inside a subway station at the time roughly these attacks were going on.

abdelhamid abaaoud, a man we have been calling the ringlea r ringleader, the architect. it plays into question his role at the time. >> until wednesday morning and confirmation, the speculation is he was in syria masterminding the operation from there. the fact he was in france raised concerns. he wasn't merely acting from elsewhere. he was on the streets of paris. he was on the tube. this is a man of a subject of the international arrest warrant. functioning and going about his business. the footage is about an hour after the attacks began. he was on the tube. he was physically coordinating these attacks on the ground. given the extent of the search for him seems extraordinary. >> does this change the way we should be describing this man? the fact he was at the metro

station. >> awfully exposed. >> it sounds so strange. what do you make of the operation? >> they are men like others. we have to keep calm in front of this situation. there are men in contact with a terrorist group. these can be planned longer than before. yes, maybe, the terror attacks are the results and the action. we have been under attack from terrorist groups since a long time now. remember in 1995 it was the case. now it's also the case. we have seen threats in iraq and technical attacks were planned in syria.

you see, that is the brain of the operation and coordinator of the operation. he is not the only man connected. >> perhaps not this great mastermind. >> that use of the word is interesting. this is the big problem facing europeans. he is a belgian citizen. technically, he could come and go at will. this is a question for the interior ministers. now they will look again at how they control the borders. europeans will have a far greater number of checks inside and outside of that space. >> thank you very much. we have breaking news we want to get to right now. an ongoing attack in mali, the african nation inside the capital. an ongoing situation. let's bring in david mckenzie. david, what do you know?

>> reporter: john, what we know is this information is coming from the u.s. embassy. the u.s. embassy warning american citizens to stay indoors and monitor media. at the radisson hotel, a popular tourist resort, there is a shi'ite operation. i can go to the latest reporting from the press afp. they are saying according to the afp, there have been 140 guests and 13 employees locked in to quote that report in an ongoing hostage situation. it appears that it is a very serious situation and going on in mali right now in bamako at the radisson hotel. these reports started surfacing less than an hour ago in fact. certainly we are also getting from the president in mali.

let me give you the update. the president in mali opposite the forces are involved on the ground. our men did in fact enter the hotel. they created a perimeter around the hotel and there is a hostage situation. john. >> all right. just remind us, david, again, the french role in mali. we do not know what is happening in mali and what is happening in paris is linked. the french is playing a role in that country. >> reporter: well, certainly since january of 2012 when the insurgency broke out in the northern part of mali and joined with elements of the al qaeda and other islamic fundamentalists armed groups in northern mali. that created a situation in the

country and the international community and the french military and french government responded robustly. particularly the french colony. the french military was heavily involved in operations that took on directly those elements and islamic fundamentalists. there has been in recent years of attacks in that region from al qaeda in that region. at this stage, we don't know if it is connected. this is clearly an attack unfolding right now with hostages on a hotel which is well known in bamako which is a favorite place of visitors of foreign and diplomatics as well. the u.s. embassy are watching the broadcast. local media as well. they must stay indoors and

confirming that there is an active situation. afp saying more than 100 people are held hostage by what we believe at this stage maybe two gunmen. details are sketchy indeed. this is unfolding in the last few minutes. john. >> david mckenzie, thanks very much. a terrifying situation at bamako at the radisson. david is saying if anybody is in the vicinity, continue to stay safe. >> a warning from the u.s. embassy. do not leave. stay at home. a hostage situation unfolding there. the breaking news continues from paris in just a moment.

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all right. john berman along with hala gorani in paris this morning. the french president francois hollande pushing for military collaboration against isis in syria. fr france says the paris attacks were planned. >> he wants help with this because he needs it. he has plans for washington and

moscow to appeal to president obama and president vladimir putin on the other to forge an anti-isis coalition. >> france, united states and russia all carrying out air strikes right now in syria. what francois hollande believes coming together and doing it in a coordinated way will mean they would do it better and more successful in destroying isis. >> that is what he wants. individually in terms of france's involvement, it has ramped up on the isis stronghold of raqqah. let's bring in ian lee who is live in cairo for more. what is the latest, ian? >> reporter: hala, we are hearing from the syrian observatory for human rights about the situation is on the ground in raqqah. what they are reporting is an absence of isis fighters on the streets during times when we are seeing the air strikes. there have been dozens of air

strikes carried out in raqqah. we are seeing isis now really affected by that and trying to lay low as they go after headquarters, weapons depots, training facilities. it also has had a toll on civilians, too. at least seven civilians who have been killed. they describe it as being between a rock and hard place. you have isis on one side and air strikes on the other. we are hearing from the syrian observatory that civilians are allowed to flee raqqah, but they are only allowed to go to mosul in neighboring iraq. we heard yesterday the family members of isis leaders have been sent to mosul as well away from the air strikes. also, yesterday, we're hearing from the syrian observatory there were six air strikes on oil fields in the eastern part of syria.

as we know, isis gets a lot of revenue from oil. about 50% of the coalition bombing oil fields. we do not know who has carried out those strikes. >> ian lee for us in cairo watching what is happening in syria. thanks, ian. >> let's bring in the deputy chief of the magazine here in paris. let's talk about the cctv footage. we have not seen it. officials are telling cnn that it shows abdelhamid abaaoud, the suspected ringleader of the attacks, at the metro stops around the time of the attacks. >> and one detail is that he didn't take a metro ticket. he went over the fence which tells you what kind of guy he can be. >> careless. >> because he was planning such an attack of this scope. this is why from the early beginning when we heard about abdelhamid abaaoud, you know,

they would have been following him and tracking him. one of our reporters had chatted with him in mosul. we know that guy. that guy is a very charismatic figure. he is more of a gang leader than planner. when you see him on the metro station, right by the bataclan, the operation is ongoing. if you are a mastermind, you don't risk being taken like this. that detail shows you are careless. you can't be careless if you are the mastermind of the operation. >> what do you suspect he was doing before and during and after the attack? >> i believe he had a crucial role of gathering people in syria. >> recruiter? >> recruiter, but also a fighter. these people were seasoned fighters from syria. you see the siege. they were able to holed up to the police for seven hours straight. they have combat experience.

the woman, of course, didn't have it, but a lot have been trained. they forge blood in syria. some of them died in the field over there. they are very hard and toughened. they are really the first wave returning. we feared for years that these people might come and strike in our country. >> i'm having a hard time reconciling the image of a mastermind in total control of the worst terrorist attack on french soil in living memory and a young guy who jumps a turnstyle without buying a ticket. i cannot put this together. >> what is important is to bear in mind who is atta. he was the organizer of 9/11. this guy was carefully hidden in socie society. he had a job. he took every step to make him

forgotten. this time around, we have a guy who brag s about going back and forth in syria. fooling the guards. he tells them in the islamic state magazine back in february. why go in the open and tell about that. the difference between al qaeda and isis is different because the media aspect. the spectacular aspect. you need to be, of course, more showing yourself than the first generation. >> they wand want to be media. if you are a ringleader and taking little risk as possible not to get caught, but here he is in the metro station. does that tell us there are those layers above him potentially still in europe? >> what scares me about what you describe is that are we not able

to track these people? what are our intelligence services been telling us? can these people go back and forth without any problem? can they be on the metro camera and not be recognized as a key suspect or somebody? you know, abdelhamid abaaoud is not somebody new. he is a seasoned fighter. he was talking about that in the magazine with very nice pictures. how can a guy like this go on the paris metro and on camera and that doesn't trigger anything. >> this is what you have to be nimble enough to spot before it happens. thank you so much. we have breaking news going on right now. an apparent siege at a hotel in the west african nation of mali. a radisson hotel.

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welcome back, everybody to the viewers around the world and in the united states. you are watching the special coverage of the paris attacks. i'm hala gorani. >> i'm john berman. we are live in paris this morning. there is breaking news outside of the city right now from mali. a radisson hotel in the capital of mali, bamako, under attack right now.

we are hearing 170 hostages have been taken. u.n. troops have been called in to help the local ground forces with the situation. >> and it must be terrifying for the people there. the military forces on the ground, they set up a perimeter around the hotel. it is an active situation. the u.s. embassy in mali is advising citizens to remain indoors. >> this is a place where many go and spend time and hang out. very possible some of them held hostage right now. >> and france had military operations in 2013 in mali against islamist forces there. you could say it was a successful operation for the french there. if this is a way of making a point on the part of islamist fighters in that country that we will hit back in mali, it would be the way to do it. go after foreigners,

international customers at the radisson in bamako. >> we don't know if there is a connection. there is new information here in paris about the presumed of the whereabouts of the man planning the attacks. >> a source close to cnn tell us that abdelhamid abaaoud was seen on security footage on cctv. he was on a metro station at the same time the bataclan siege was under way. >> french authorities confirmed abdelhamid abaaoud was one of two people killed in the paris suburb of saint-denis on wednesday. cnn's erin burnet spoke with the attorney representing abaaoud's father and according to that man, abaaoud believes his son was a psychopath and the father is now relieved that he is dead. >> yes, he was relieved because

he knew already in the last month that his son was linked to all the terrorism acts which happened in europe. he was afraid to learn that his son abdelhamid abaaoud maybe had missed something horrible. >> i read an article quoting the sister of abdelhamid abaaoud long before the paris attacks because this man has been known to authorities when it was believed he had been killed in syria. we perhaps know he faked his own death. his sister said she hoped he was dead. his own family wanted him dead. back to isis and the videos that have been emerging the last several days. fighters are viewing to attack the united states and france and italy. all places the group has

threatened before. >> and the fbi says there is no known threat of the united states similar to one in paris. >> italy is ramping up the security measures. st. peter's square is ramping up security with the up coming jubilee taking place next month. >> i want to get to our correspondent delia gallagher in rome with more. delia. >> reporter: john and hala, the italian foreign minister said yesterday they have names of five possible terror suspects here in italy whom they are working to identify. that is the extent of the information coming from the foreign minister yesterday. the u.s. embassy in rome issued a warning to u.s. citizens identifying three possible

vulnerable sites for attack, st. peter's basilicas as you mentioned and la scala, the opera house which is opening on december 7th and milan's main catholic cathedral. you are urged to be vigilant around hotels and restaurants. the interior minister said italy had moved 1,000 military to guard important sites around rome and italy. he said this is a plan they had ready to go for december 8th. the start date for pope francis's jubilee here. they moved that up if light of the paris attacks. the italian police force wants a visible security presence around rome and italy. i can attest to that in the metro and around the vatican and important sites. we are seeing increased security. however, italian authorities are

firmly pointing out that they do not have any credible plans for attack in italy, but urging everyone to be vigilant. we should say the increased security that we are seeing now, we have seen before when isis released videos in september of last year and in january of this year. specifically mentioning rome as a possible target. we have seen in the past this higher level of security. indeed they are on a level two alert. the highest level next to being directly under attack. in all this, pope francis, something of a reassuring fig e figure. we saw him wednesday going around greeting the crowds in the open air popemobile. the pope has on schedule to go to africa. a trip in africa starting next wednesday which the vatican says will go ahead as planned. john and hala.

>> delia gallagher live in rome. we'll be right back with more.

welcome back, everybody. let's update you on the breaking news from mali in bamako. the radisson hotel has been under attack. we are hearing 170 hostages have been taken. u.n. troops are helping local forces on the ground. >> a government spokesperson says military forces set up a perimeter around the hotel. this is a very serious ongoing situation. the u.s. embassy in mali is advising u.s. citizens and staffers to remain indoors from what is going on. let's go to david mckenzie who is watching the situation. david, what can you tell us? >> reporter: i can tell you that the u.s. embassy alert that came out on social media appeared to

be as the initial moments of the shooting took place. they said there was an active shooting situation. moments ago, we spoke to a spokesperson of the stabilization force. certainly cease-fire in mali in the capital. the radisson hotel is well known. there was a peace delegation having a talks summit there. they say around 170 people have been taken hostage right now according to the afp. two gunmen, it seems, in that hotel. they have been reports of people leaving the hotel. we cannot confirm that. we know this is a serious attack of some kind targeting a hotel which is well known for its links to the west.

obviously in a country where the french military has been deeply involved in recent years. hala and john. >> david, i wanted to ask you about the french military involvement in mali. if somebody wanted to make a point they were striking back at france, mali would be close to do it. explain why. >> reporter: well, certainly. an ex-french colony. the french military and government has been heavily involved for many years. in 2012, there was an insurgency backed by al qaeda linked groups that pushed from the northern part of the country to the capital of bamako where the attack is going on right now. it was the french military that intervened heavily to stop that group and groups from marching on to the capital and taking it from an interim government.

the french handed that off to a u.n. peacekeeping force. they are in peace negotiations right now. that will be shattered by this event. it is a serious event. ongoing. they created a perimeter around the hotel. there are reports of gunfire. spokesman of the presidency in mali saying foreign and malian forces on the ground involved in the operation right now. and presumably terrifying moments for more than 100 people trapped in the hotel right now held hostage. hala. >> we have at this point, 140 guests there and perhaps 30 staff there. what kind of terror operations or terror groups have been operating in mali over the last few years? obviously there has been a presence there that france did commit military forces. >> reporter: i think the initial forces, the french had forces in the region before the crisis of

2012. and particularly because of the threat of al qaeda and islamic which is for joining countries in the region. there has been a state of terror attacks striking installations in august with u.n. workers. there is an ongoing terror threat. because of the wake of the paris attacks, the immediate question is is this somehow linked? it is too early to tell. according to experts, it is not necessarily linked to isis. it may be competitors in a sense. this may be more about the peace agreement ongoing. the fact they are hitting the radisson is significant. this hotel which is well known among ex-pats and travelers who go through mali has to be significant. in fact, the early analysis.

again, this is an ongoing situation. we will expect french forces and others to be on the scene right now. >> david mckenzie for us. if you want to hit a western target in mali, it would be the radisson hotel. >> 190 rooms, just looking up the details of the hotel. potentially 170 people being held. unclear how many gunmen. this is a fluid situation. more from paris in a moment. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, they pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay

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breaking news here in paris. john berman along with hala gorani. officials have stated they found a third body at the location in saint-denis. the location where abdelhamid abaaoud was killed. now three people killed in the raid. abaaoud, the woman whom he know about who apparently is his cousin and now a third body found at that location. >> the reason we don't know if that body is male or female.

we know the identification of two of them is not known. we know abaaoud is one of the bodies. we know a female is one of the bodies, presumed to be his cousin hasna aitboulahcen. >> this goes to show the force, the level of violence in the altercation that was there. it has taken days, not just to identify the bodies, but identify how many that were inside. >> we know three, including abaaoud and a female. once we know more, we will bring you more. let's take it back to the wider picture. tackling radicalization is one of the issues in combating home grown terrorism and the campaign to weed it out has found an ally in the form of a mother who lost her son in an attack in 2012. >> now she tries to dissway immigrants from joining jihadi immigrants. on thursday, she was rewarded for her work.

jim bittermann has her story. >> reporter: a foundation awarded this year's annual peace price. the reason? she has worked tirelessly against islamic radicalization. she started after her 30-year-old son, an an off-duty french paratrooper was shot in cold blood in 2012. he went on to kill six others, including teachers and children in the south of france at a school. he began not as a terrorist, but criminal. a trafficker in drugs and stolen cars. like a growing list of terrorists, he became radicalized while serving prison time. learning that, she formed an association named after her son and started speaking to inmates hoping to stop them from

becoming terrorists. >> translator: a prisoner needs help. in a cell by himself, he is not communicating with anyone. he needs someone from the outside who will help him. >> reporter: ziaten was horrified over the last week and blames authorities for being complacent. >> translator: there was the "charlie hebdo" and we forgot about this just as well. today, the very same. the heart of paris was hit again. >> reporter: at the award ceremony, she told president hollande face-to-face that more had to be done to end discrimination and improve the lot of young people and help her in her efforts with the prisons. if not, she told me later, security forces will never win the battle against terrorists. >> translator: they are everywhere. this is why it is urgent we do what we have to do.

>> reporter: jim bittermann, cnn, paris. >> thank you for watching. i'm hala gorani. our special coverage continues after the break.

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( ♪ ) this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news right now. unfolding situation. gunmen attacking a radisson hotel in mali. 170 hostages locked inside. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans in new york. >> and i'm john berman in paris. it is friday, november 20th. it is 5:00 a.m. in the east.

it is 11:00 a.m. here. welcome to viewers in the united states and world. >> we will get back to john in a few moments with the developments on the paris attacks. about 140 guests and 30 employees are trapped inside that hotel. the hotel located in the capital city of bamako. we are watching this unfold here. a situation that has been rapidly deteriorating here. you have the american embassy telling americans to stay home and stay inside. this is a hotel that is popular with travelers, with business people, ex-pats. we have live developments this morning. what can you tell us about the hotel attack in mali, david mckenzie. >> reporter: what we can tell