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zblrch chilling day dawning here in brussels, going on maximum terrorist alert, learning of a threat to the capital, fallout from the attacks here seven days ago, and the ongoing man hunt from one of the gunmen who lived in a brussels neighborhood. we know, obviously, there's been multiple raids throughout belgium in the last zemp dseven are in brussels, and explain what the terrorist alert means. >> well, it's their highest level meaning if there's a serious and imminent threat, this is according to the press release from the interior minister, and this is the first time they have gone to the level
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four threat assessment. they are basically advising the public, i mean, i could read you what it says, but it says stay away from groups of other people, stay away from concerts, theaters, from, i assume christmas markets like that set up behind me. really unprecedented for brussels. they have been making the threat assessments since 2006, and, apparently, according to the release tonight, because of an analysis, and they have decide the to put it out. >> we don't know if it relates directly to the eighth terrorist suspect who is believed to have been or at least gone headed towards belgium at last point seen when pulled over. it's known he took part in the terrorist attacks here in paris on friday. his whereabouts still unknown,
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there's a massive man hunt. there's a lot of raids in belgium over seven days. nine locations, not directly related to him, one taken into custody and held in connection with that, the rest of the people in custody have been released, so police here are still actively searching and serving out search warrants in that investigation. they, obviously, believe he still may be here, but as far as any definitive information on where he is, they really don't seem to have any idea, and i would think that because of the breath of this kind of terrorist threat warning, that, to me, says that they really don't have a handle on everything. they don't have a specific threat. they wouldn't release an imminent warning that this wide if they had a specific threat that they were actually going
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after. >> yeah, drew, thank you for the report. i want to bring in the cnn terrorism analyst, paul, and analyst, finding a consulting firm, served 26 years in air force intelligence, and joining us is clarissa war joining us from saint denis. certainly, paul, this is a major development, and, again, to just piggy back on what drew said, the idea this covers the brussels region is unprecedented. >> unprecedented. they would not have taken the step lightly. they are essentially shutting down brussels tomorrow, saying not to go to train stations, airports, or any public spaces, and they are worried about the attack in paris on friday, and there are still people at large,
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and this goes beyond that, just because it's so unprecedented to wrat ratchet up to level four where an attack is iminnocent. they plotted in eastern belgium, a cell which he was coordinating from greece. they had very major plans to laumplg launch attacks in january, gathered all materials needed to make tatp, and they'd also gathered police uniforms, and that made the belgians believe they were gaining access to sensitive sites by posing as police officers, and just think of the panic that would ensue if the people that the public think of that to protect them, all the sudden, they are terrorists. they are armed with bomb, and so they all -- a lot of ingenius
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planning, isis recruits, and there is a network in syria, trying to propel forward to launch attacks. it may well be the plan all along was to do something in belgium as well as france just because of the number of recruits recruited into the network. >> at this point, it's early days, colonel, we don't know the full plan that was in place, and a lot of people are the weak link in the intelligence network, in the ability to really have a firm grip on the number of jihadis who are there. >> that's true. people on the streets of paris say absolutely those kinds of things that when it becomes to the performance of the security forces is better than the popular impression is. >> it is. >> but having said that, they certainly don't have the resources that the french security services have or the english security services, so there is a major different. you can't expect them in
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resource con trained environments which all european countries have now to get to the level that would be a pervasive security environment where these things could not happen. that's an impossible thing, and, unfortunately, we are paying the price for it right but. >> it's fascinating, we see it in belgium where so many of the guys involved in this attack here in paris came from or used to live, they know each other, and how often cells are really comprised of people who have history together. they met in prison. they were in a gang together. they did petty crimes together, and -- >> there are two major shifts in jihad. the first major shift is recr t recruitment. it used to be done in mosques. the jihadis were arabic speaking people in caves in afghanistan. it was abstract. now it's your friends recruiting you from the battlefields of syria on telegram and sure spot
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and what's app. that's been a change. the other major change is who is being appealed to, and you are seeing so many young men who have criminal records who have backgrounds on the streets who have been involved with gangs, who are suddenly drawn to the jihad, and what crimincriminolos it creates a brew, the zealot creates a criminal, knows how to stay below the radar, get weapons, knows how the police work, and that's a dangerous and powerful combination. >> you said you spent the day in saint denis where the raids took place the other morning. there's a lot of new information about actually now what happened. the reports we had yesterday were very early, early hour reports that authorities thought it was a female suicide bomber. the female cousin of the ring leader debt neighborhotonated a device, but that's not the case at all. >> it's a quickly developing situation, nearly 72 hours after
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the raid, we are just getting a better picture of what happened in the apartment. there's two developments we saw today. first of all, the cousin is not now believed to be the one who de detonated the explosiveimpact o bullets in the course of the raid. the second thing is there was a third person killed in the apartment. we know nothing about him other than he's a man, and so the question is, who is that third person? >> did they just find the body or parts of his body? >> well, they have just told us that they have found his body. >> right. >> and, so, of course, there's a lot they are not sharing with the media immediately, but i can say, having sfepent the day the, there's teams of forensic experts going in and out of the apartment day in and day out, taking samples, working out who was in the apartment, who was the third person, how does it all relate to the larger picture that we are now seeing spread across belgium.
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well yesterday everyone was expected to hear the news, there's a sense of ongoing operation and people at large. >> and, colonel, the potential for intelligence gathering from that apartment itself could be critical, just as they gathered intelligence from cell phones found near the scene, as they gathered information from the cars left behind here in france. there could be cell phones, computers, other things in the apartment. >> absolutely. not only is the forensic investigation ongoing, but there's an intelligence investigation piggy backing from the forensics. what you see is what happened after bin laden was killed. you will find, you know, we went in there with the u.s. special forces, they combed the place best they could and gathered troves of data, exactly what the french authorities do here, and use the information that they can from cell phones, other sources, talking to neighbors, and kind of building that web of detail there, where do the people go? what did they do?
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who did they talk to? how did they move forward? how did they plan the operation? >> upon the fact, though, there's so much we don't know a week after the attacks in paris what occurred here one week ago, i mean, two people believed to have taken part in the attacks, whereabouts unknown, a man hunt out for one of them, but we don't know the identity of the second person who may have been in one of the vehicles with him. we don't know who made the suicide devices, whether that was here in france, whether that was in belgium or elsewhere, how many vests or suicide belts are out there. there's a lot of pieces to the puzzle. >> and ierson, that reflects th security agencies in france, belgium, and elsewhere are scrambling all week to understand the threat, and there have been many sleepless nights, i can tell you, i spoke to a lot of people involved in the investigation, and they are chasing absolutely everything right now. they fear that there could be something else in the works, a
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third act planned potentially, i mean, thank god they thwarted the imminent plot the other day by going into the safe house. that would have been potentially a terrorist spectacular with the whole world's media here to cover it, and isis is just increasingly ambitious, going more and more into international terrorism. there's a network behind this in syria, french and belgium recruits, and there's a senior reading the terrorist plot, senior ring leader working hand in hand, and they clearly felt he was dispensable, send him back, but there's senior brains plotting more outrageous in europe. >> thank you. we're going to take you to syria, inside syria just ahead where peyton walsh reports from the front lines of isis, getsing close to the terrorist group's stronghold.
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> belgian authorities expected to all but shut down the country tomorrow after imminent threats, there remains a lot to keep an eye on here, and it's not just brussels and syria, but raqqah, they are hitting with air
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strikes, and we were able to get close to the city near the front lines where kurdish sfiegt isee battling isis. i spoke to him earlier tonight. >> what's it like on the front lines? >> 20 miles from it earlier on today, and it is quiet. there are a small handful of kurdish fighters defending that particular front line and occasionally come under fire from isis. raqqah itself is far in the distance, but close enough to be able to hear fighters talking about the uptick in french air strikes, then, and, also, to see quite their reaction to the air strikes as well. in fact, only today we are hearing from a group who believe four russian missile strikes hit the west of the city, and at the same time, they say, isis tried to launch four home made rockets
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in the front lines. an area of heightened tension now, and, anderson, remarkable thing to see and feel is despite recogniti recognition, frankly, they don't have the numbers to make the move, the talk amongst them is onslaught is imminent, however farfetched it is sounding. they feel somehow the move on the capital of the self-declared is somehow in their grasp, anderson. >> those living there who want to get out, is it possible? i mean, can they leave? >> we don't know at this stage, unfortunately. we know isis had a sealed grip on the area since they moved in last year. they are controlling who comes in, who goes out. we also hear that perhaps it's beginning to crumble slightly to some activists suggest that, perhaps, isis' leaders tried to leave from the east of the city,
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potentially towards mosul and iraq, finding that journey tricky because they are taken the town on the main highway between raqqah and mosul. you can't imagine under the volume of air strikes there's not somehow an impact on their ability to look after the city or repress it. the reports of civilian casualties have been far and few between. one instance two nights ago now of seven dead when a fuel truck was struck to the south of the city. apart from that, nothing we're hearing of, but hard to get a full overview of what's happening inside because of how isis runs it, and eranderson. >> yeah. stay safe, thanks. >> well, michael weiss, coauthor and senior editor at the daily beast and contributor, reporting on isis, and i spoke with him a short time ago. >> michael, the question of what exactly is going on inside
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raqqah right now, how much command and control of isis is still there, do we know? >> well, most of it is still there. you know, they alternate between raqqah and mosul, but the upper echelons echelons populated by iraqis. that is their capital, the defector told me. they have a headquarters there, there's the sharia court there. administrative services, prisons, you name it. training camps in the countryside, also in the area surrounding two towns, and if they lose raqqah, they are not completely out of the picture, but that is a hammer blow defeat. i mean, that would be the beginning of the end for them. >> okay. and one of the things you detailed in the article is how extensive the operations, i mean, the setup they have is, and how extensive control is isis has on the city. >> completely. i mean, it's a totalitarian --
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weary of using the word "state" because you do the propaganda for them, but functions like a quasi state, and they exert the population control that, frankly, you don't see outside of, you know, authoritarian regimes that dominated the middle east since the end of world war ii. hussein comes to mind, and, again, here's where their influence in the iraqi and military intelligence services and republic of fear, security apparatus constructed by the bath party over decades informs how isis rules. >> like a state, the arms of state security monitor each other and turn on each other. seems like there's different competing state actors. >> exactly. >> who are looking to go against others also supporters of isis.
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>> exactly. they have four main security branchs, domestic intelligence like their state security, like their fbi, military intelligence, they've got a foreign intelligence apparatus, and something that's a cross between a national police and interior ministry. you are right. all of these guys spy and inform on each other, much like the assad in syria does. you know, the guys compete, not only for prestige and dominance to impress their higher ups, the wa wali, which is the governor, but they are tasked by different departments to watch what each of them is doing. this is a complete climate of fear and paranoid in population control. it's trade craft. they are rich, right? they control the oil fields of syria, trafficking in hostages, and they charge taxes on both
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the islamic and non-islamic populations they lord over. they charge fines, civil penalties. what do they do with the money? dispatch sleeper agents into nonisis held territory, equipped with $300,000. they say, find your own battalion, or infiltrate an existing one, and with all that wealth, you can sort of creep your way to the top, and before long, you'll be the top commander, the brigade command e and whether they realize it, you manipulate them and steer them in our direction. that's how they took over a third of syria. >> raising questions about what it means for the u.s. and others who want to support different factions, who exactly are they supporting. do they really know who they are supporting? michael weiss, a fascinating article, in the "daily beast," michael, thank you. >> sure, my pleasure. just ahead, the biggest challenge in the battle against
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the attacks in paris created a new sense of urgency on fronts, incoming how to keep young people from joining isis in the first place. most of the paris attackers have been identified were born in europe, at least three french nationals. the father of one of the terrorist actually went to syria to try to convince his son to abandon isis. so many families have lost sons and daughters to the terrorist group, a mom in canada lost her son is waging her own war on terror. here's our senior investigative correspondent, drew griffin. >> she doesn't look like it, but right now, she's battling isis. >> these recruiters are really slick. they make you believe that it is something different than what it is. he kept stalking her online, and a couple times she'd ignore him, and he'd blow up. >> a 23-year-old woman from the
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u.s. is being stalked, close to joining isis and traveling to syria. the family contacted him, and intervention began. >> proud of her. >> that's a success story? >> so far. >> in less than two hours in her calgary home, three families reach out to her, desperate for help. >> shouldn't happen to your family. >> they call and find her for one reason, she lived the nightmare. >> he's raiding the pantry again. >> three years ago, her son, becoming the target of a radical islamic recruiter. canadian authorities now believe damean and others were recruited straight out of a downtown calgary mosque and literally led to the battlefield without their families suspecting a thing. her son, dameon, dead in months, killed fighting for isis just outside syria. >> how can somebody take such a bright mind and twist it and
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convince them that they are doing the right thing? they believe they are doing right. >> earlier, i spoke to the senior international corresponde correspondent. as we watch, your sonfuls recruited, radicalized without your family suspecting a thing. looking back, what was the biggest sign you may have missed to help other parents out there? >> i think the biggest thing was just this switch in the personality. going from a really peaceful, settled young man, very social, open, sharing his ideas, open with the family, bringing his friends in. he went from that to very secretive, private, taking all the phone calls, and friends stopped coming by, not traveling the same circle, and he put his youth group ahead of family activities, and you could tell he was agitated and bothered by
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various ideas. >> you have done extensive reporting on this, traveling to syria, meeting with westerners. is this the kind of story you hear, you heard a lot? >> yeah, i mean, there's not really a one size fits all approach to radicalization. some young men are vulnerable, attracted to isis because they want a sense of belonging, a sense of meaning and purpose in their life. they want to be part of that brotherhood. other guys who maybe have more criminal backgrounds, street kids, they are attracted to the idea of making an impact, being able to make a mark, having power, getting to pose with heavy weapons. >> you were saying that often the parents of those kids wo have been in trouble in the past are pleased initially that their kids now seem pias, seem interested in a religion. >> exactly. initially, parents missed signs because they are glad their sons are no longer staying out all night, using bad language, smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, stealing cars, whatever it may be. there's an embracing of the
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change because it seems their children have their lives more in order, and it takes awhile before they realize that sometimes it's actually something far more sinister that's taking place. interestingly, one thing i noted, again, it's not for everyone, but several of the young jihadis i talk to inside syria and iraq lost their fathers in their teenage years. there's a sense of yearning, longing, of stretching, wanting to become something and fill the footsteps. >> you meet with families whose kids are recruited, are in danger. what do you say to them? >> all the best that we can do is try to redirect them and try to engage in a tighter relationship. we try to coach the families if that youth is still here and still in their home country, try to help them reconnect, find out what the driving factors are, what the motivations are, and redirect in a positive way, try to remove some of the panic in their emotions so that they are not pushing them away with that
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essential emotional panic. if the loved one already traveled, we have to keep the connection open, try to keep as much normalcy as we can in the conversation so they are not finding a reason to cut the families off completely so that we can keep those channels of conversation open for regular dialogue. >> i'm trying to imagine people watching this, and i imagine people are skeptical that a parent wouldn't realize something was going on, and, obviously, we heard from many parents time and time again, and in your case, especially, that they did not know, that they did not see that. how do you sort of convince somebody or explain to somebody how a parent might not realize what was going on? >> well, it's very easy not to realize. first of all, have you have no understanding of the issue, it's not something that's out there in the schools. it's not something we educate everybody about. we try to create awareness, but it's not out there necessarily. plus, if you're close to your child emotionally, you want to think in the best for them, so
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if they are going through positive change, like he did when he first converted, he was very positive. he was bringing people home again. very open. working. we saw a great positive change. that's what we tried to attach otherwi ourselves to. we don't want to over panic about nothing, and that's very difficult to understand within ourselves as a parent. are we going too far? are we panicking too much? maybe it's nothing. you try to dismiss it and hope they find their way. >> i appreciate you speaking out with us, thank you. clariss as we clarissa as well. up next, breaking news in the attack, 21 killed, one american whose brother is speaking out tonight about the sister he lost.
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at least one american, anit anita datar, according to the washington post, an international development worker from maryland, in a statement just out, her brother says, quote, anita was one of the most kind, generous people we know, loving her family and work tremendously. everything she did in her life she did to help others as a mother, daughter, sister, and friend. our thoughts with her and her family tonight. a moment ago, president obama said she and others who parrish would be remembered for the joy and love they brought to the world. now more on the attack. >> reporter: gunmen stormed the raddison blu hotel at 7:00 a.m. friday morning firing automatic rifles and taking dozens of hostages. as many as 170 people were inside the hotel at the time. >> people entered hotel with
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ak-47s, they came, and immediately they started shooting at people. at least before entering the hotel. >> reporter: the hotel is popular with foreigners, with guests from france, china, india, turkey, and the u.s. staying there at the time. witnesses reported hearing gunfire and explosions coming from inside. >> caller: i saw bullets on the floor in the lobby. >> reporter: a chinese tourist shot the video from a window of the hotel as mali security forces surrounded the building. with the help of u.n. troops, they launched a counter assault to rescue hos tamgs. at least two military american personnel assisted outside the hotel. about a dozen americans were rescued. by late afternoon, all the hostages had been freed or escaped. >> we are joined from nairobi, kenya, watching developments.
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who claims responsibility for this? >> two groups that we know of at the moment, anderson, al qaeda and islamic, and they are interesting because they claimed responsibility for a bombing in a bar a few months ago and a hotel bombing quite similar to the bombing -- rather attack this morning on the hotel in the raddison hotel, and attacked very, very early on a friday morning, and how the number of people were held hostage, 17 people died in that siege. 21 have died in the raddison hotel siege. that is for now. >> thank you. newspaper reporter was on the scene today, obviously, witnessed a lot, captured some of it on camera. he spoke to one of our producers a short time ago.
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[ speaking in foreign language ] >> joinings now is our france correspondent, melissa bell, doing extensive reporting from the region. thank you so much for being with us. what do we know about this group that's claiming responsibility? >> we -- it is a group of a man whose death is speculated on many times in the past.
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>> taking over an oil refinery in algae algeria? >> precisely. that's when his name shot to international notoriety, thought in june he was killed in an american strike in libya, and at the time, the president said as far as the french believed he was dead. there was doubt about that begin what the group has been able to carry out. it is a group that's affiliated to al qaeda. there's a number of groups operating in northern mali in the hands of islamists beyond 2012. the french intervention pushed them bag, but not to stamp out the presence of the groups entirely, and this includes this group, and, of course, it's a part of the world where the borders are porous, inhospitable, largely uninhabitated, and they operate freely. >> do they have support there? >> there are not many people who live there.
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that problem with the part of the world is there's a population wantimen wanting ind for a long time, and in 2012 when they took over that part of mali, islamists took over, an they could not cope, hence the push that then took over power leading to the islamists being able to take more ground going as far as not quite physical, but geographical border dividing southern mali from northern mali. groups continue to operate. what surprised everyone is the group was able to carry out the attack. >> in the capital. >> in the capital, a a highly secured part with check points wherever you go, where all the ministries in the capital are, and this hotel, you have to go through a check point, the car is checked, the boot is open, and they go through everything before they let you in. the use of the diplomatic plates was necessary to get the group in. highly organized in the part that's difficult to get into, giving you an idea of the strength of the group even now.
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>> appreciate the reporting, thank you so much, amazing amount of information there. there's a lot more to tell you about, both what is going on in mali and also here in france and in belgium. still ahead, explaining tragedy to a child. the tough conversation between a dad and son that became the focus of international attention following the paris attacks. you may have seen the video of the reporter from the journal talking to a father and son about guns and flowers and we caught up with the father and son to see how they are doing now. the possibility of a flare swas almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid,
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now to a story we've been following all week. while standing at the memorial behind me days after the paris attack, a father tried to explain to his young son what happened here. the french tv outlet recorded it and posted it on facebook. here's a piece of that exchange. [ speaking in french ].
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we were able to track down the father and son. i sat down with the two to see how they are doing now. what did you tell brandon? how did you explain it to him? many people are trying to figure out how to tell their kids about it. >> i said you have to come to this place to show to people we love them, too, and we don't forget them. and he know. people has died. so i said to him maybe the best way to make him understand is to bring him to the place and explain to him. >> what was it like, brandon to see all those people there and the flowers and the candles? what did you think? >> i love the flowers.
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>> what kind of flowers do you like? do you like pink ones or white ones? yellow? >> i love blue ones. >> blue ones? wow. did you -- were there a lot of candles also? >> yeah. >> did you understand why people were there? [ speaking in french ].
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>> do you want to stay in france, brnden? you said before you maybe wanted to go somewhere else. [ speaking in french ].
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>> there are flowers everywhere. >> yeah. >> you're very brave and very smart. [ speaking in french ]. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> very brave and smart and adorable. still ahead the special tribute to the men and women who lost their lives here in this city one week ago. of my moderate toe rheumatoid arthritis... ordinary objects often seemed... intimidating. doing something simple... meant enduring a lot of pain. if ra is changing your view of everyday things orencia may help. orencia works differently
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week's attack were doing when terror struck. despite a ban on public demonstrations, parisians gathered at memorials to mark the anniversary. we want to step back and honor the victims by sharing the names that have been made public. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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♪ >> one last item before we go. we have just got photographs of the washington, d.c. area woman who was killed this morning in mali. she was 41 years old, a public health expert and veteran of the peace corps, a fallen hero. >> fallen hero indeed. we will need you to bring us up to date. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. breaking news, a serious and imminent terror threat in brussels. and one week after the attacks that shattered the city of light. the manhunt for a tee terror suspect goes worldwide. the woman found dead after a police raid did not blow herself up. with are learning more about