morning. make some great memories today. "state of the union" starts at the top of the hour but now "inside politics" with john kin king. >> the paris terror attacks reshaped the 2016 race. >> the tragedy in paris means you have to give up liberty. we need more phone surveillance. [ expletive ] rand paul's is a lonely voice. >> i want surveillance of these people. >> president obama says it's un-american to turn away syrian refugees. >> we are not well served when in response to a terrorist attack we descend into fear and panic. >> his gop critics hold firm. >> mr. president, insult me to my face.

"inside politics" the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your sunday morning. we sort through the critical and emotional policy and political debates stemming from the paris terror attacks. with us to share the reporting and insights is maggie haberman of the new york times. ed o'keef of the washington post. julie pace of the associated press. and mj lee. two questions are dominating the debate. how did isis manage to pull off a series of brazen deadly attacks in paris. what can our government to better or differently to prevent isis to striking at home. do we allow more syrian refugees into the united states? it is the republican frontrunner donald trump whose ideas are the most provocative. >> i want surveillance of these

people. i want surveillance, if we have to, and i don't care. i want a -- are you ready for this? they're going to make it such a big deal. they're going to make it so big. he said something so politically incorrect. that's why we're going to hell because we're so politically incorrect. such a big deal! such a big deal! i want surveillance of certain mosques. okay. if that's okay. i want surveillance. i will absolutely take data base on the people coming in from syria. if we can't stop it, but we're going to. and if i win i've made it known -- if i win they're going back. we can't have them. >> there's a lot more of this debate including whether or not u.s. ground troops need to be part of a any solution. whether president obama is loosing support among fellow democrats as fellow opinion

shifts and the election year draws closer. president obama labelled trump's ideas un-american. >> not give into fear and start turning on each other or treating some people differently because of religion, race, or background. that wouldn't be just a betrayal of our values but feed isil's propaganda. >> what are the questions? mj lee you spent a lot of time with trump and his voters. might it help him in the republican race? you know who he's talking to. if you're a republican, as jeb bush and those have done saying you're over the top. you're going too far. and you're taking the president's side if you're jeb bush, aren't you, against trump in the republican primary. >> the thing to point out about trump and the supporters. that clip of trump saying what he would do as president. his people love that and this is the reason they have loved him. they're not actually concerned because he doesn't have a prior political experience, military experience. they like the fact he's a

newcomer. he's going out there saying i would bomb the heck out of isis. i'm the most militaristic person. and this kind of confidence is what his people are drawn to. every single person i spoke to on the trail this week at trump events said they're after the paris attacks more likely than ever to support trump because they love that rhetoric from him. >> he's viewed as a leader. brand new abc washington post out saying he is holding the commanding lead. he's in the hunt in iowa. his numbers aren't that high but ahead bay comfortable margin in new hampshire. something trump said yesterday, maggie, he wings it from time to time. that's a criticism. let's hear him with a 9/11 comparison that doesn't pass the sniff test. >> i watched the when the world trade center came tumbling down. i watched in jersey city, new jersey where thousands and

thousands of people were cheering as they building was coming down. thousands of people were cheering. >> you tried to get the campaign to give you some evidence that this happened. it was an internet rumor at the time 15 years ago. but shouldn't he know better now? >> so there was some debate on twitter and in my timeline which any time you write about donald trump your timeline gets interesting. but suggesting maybe he was in new jersey and not there were people cheering in new jersey. that seems like something his aids could have clarified. we asked to try to get them. there's a difference between his supporters love his rhetoric. i think mj has done remarkable job in capturing the spirit of his voters. his voters don't get turned off. there's another aspect of covering of trump where you quote what he says and he says lots of things and sometimes they don't quite make sense. sometimes they're not clear. his team very often chooses not to clarify. so on this one it sounded like he was talking about new jersey.

there was an internet rumor that day that police knocked down at the time that there were muslim-americans cheering in patterson, new jersey. there were muslims cheering globally and everybody in the middle east and televised reports of that. trump is making a direct connection between 9/11 and what happened here. it clearly played well with his voters and that crowd. the question is going to be as we get closer are people going to want to hear more specifics for him to grow his support beyond what it is now? >> you mention you take what he says. sometimes he changes what he says. at the beginning he said it would be humanitarian to allow refew agr refew agrees in. now he said he'll send them back. the other candidates have been trying to figure out how to get at trump. jeb bush, kasich, and christie thinking about who do you want in the oval office.

jeb bush said not donald trump. >> we're choosing the leader of the free world. if these attacks remind us of anything, it is that we're living in syria's times that require serious leadership. >> a perfectly rational argument you would expect an experienced politician to make against donald trump and ben carson. your new poll that shows trump with a healthy national lead has this. what is the most important quality among a candidate? these are republican voters. 52% say bring needed change to washington. only 11% say experience. so if you're jeb bush and chris christie and john kasich, forgive me, are you spinning into the web? >> yes, you are. it doesn't matter. bush people were doubling down. they believe not only does it give him to talk about national security but make the broader experience and maturity experiment. they believe it's a kinder way

to draw contrast with trump and carson. whether it works or not we'll see. polls are lagging indicators. it might take awhile to suggest there was movement this week on this. but, you know, polling continues to show that trump enjoys such deep support. those numbers, i think. >> if you're bush it's your only choice. you have run for months as the experienced candidates, as the competent candidate. now you see a moment where you expect that voters will look at this crisis with isis and said we need to have a competent leader in place. the challenge for bush, though, he still seems to lack the fire in the belly. the strength, the trumpness that people want. they also want a competent leader but someone who can project american strength. i think he's struggling with that. >> the clips you played of three different republicans through the show. one was rand paul, one was donald trump, and one was jeb bush. all three have different theo theories of what the election is going to be about. rand paul thought it was going

to be a libertarian election. you saw him talk about it again. it was his big issue data collection. jeb is experience. but trump is the man of the moment. seems to symbolize people's fears which are very high and have been going on for a long time. >> if i can quickly say something about ben carson, too. throughout the circle we have been grouping trump and carson together for good reasons. but when it comes to foreign policy, the difference between carson and trump is that carson actually has said some things that have been eye brow raising. raised questions about his understanding of foreign policy issues and the new york times article didn't help his case. trump talks about these issues in a way that shows he is confidence. even if we were looking at what he was saying and he said on the substance of things it's pretty thin. carson, it's a different story because he's actually stumbling and trump appears to not be. >> it's a key point to watch.

you're talking about the substance of foreign policy and it should be most important to the voters. if you look at the map if trump's numbers don't come down, the only other way is carson who is holding a big piece of the basket. >>. up next on this topic. the republican candidates think little of president obama's isis policy. listen closely to the democrats. all of them calling for changes, too. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. the way i see it,

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welcome back. the number as we discuss new efforts in congress to pause or stop the flow of syrian refugees into the united states. since the civil war start the, more than 4 million refugees from syria here. about 150,000 have been resettled around the world. most are in camps in jordan and in turkey. taking resettlement germany is first in the world. canada second. the united states is eighth 2,000 and france is 11th. where the attacks were. let's look at the united states as the president tries to make his case. a little over 2,000. texas and california at the top of the states that have taken them. michigan, tennessee, arizona with a high number. president obama making the case after losing a tough vote in the house last week to put a pause on the program before the senate votes we have the thanksgiving break. the president is hoping lawmakers and the american people take a closer look and come to his side.

>> my hope is now we have time catch our breath and take a look at this carefully, people understand that refew agrugees end up in the united states are the most vetted, scrutinize d, thoroughly investigated individuals that ever arrive on american shores. >> julia pace you see the president's frustration there. there is a pretty tough vetting process. the department of homeland security and the fbi. it's not like the refugees that get on a boat and get to greece or europe. that's the president's policy argument. publicly he's losing. american people say we don't want any refugees. in the house, if you look at the house vote, the president lost 47 democrats. the veto-proof majority. how does he make the case before

the senate to it where he only has to lose six or seven democrats in the senate. you have an election now. the president seems lonely now. >> he is. you wonder if he made the statement as a initial response to this maybe the situation in the hill would be a bit different. his initial reaction was to say if you're someone who is even considering trying to block refugees coming into the cub ouy you are un-american. that got a lot of backs against the wall. they have been focussed on policy and not on politics. this is a problem for the white house. they talked to democrats for years, but right now the white house if they're going to try to get the senate to either vote in a they will allow him to still veto this or perhaps hold off on the legislation entirely have to work on the politic was this. they have to give democrats cover. it's not looking like a bad vote to vote for something that would tighten restrictions. >> 54% of americans say the united states should not take

refugees from syria. that was in the washington post poll released on friday. only 13% believe the u.s. can correctly screen out. >> it is the distrust of governing. >> there's one potential policy fix to this that might allow the senate to vote on this and send it back to the house and the president. the visa waiver program. keep an eye on that. diane feinstein has a proposal that would make tweaks. there's concerns about people who fly to syria and fly back. they might have to make changes to that. it's seen as reasonable. a lot of democrats in the senate -- the other thing to keep in mind the homeland security director sign off on every single refugee. that won't happen. >> the republicans already have 54. the president is not getting those votes. heading into an election year. are there more republicans vulnerable than democrats? i think if the president can't

move the 54 number he'll have a problem in the senate. he has the veto. they probably won't have a veto-proof majority in the senate. on the refugee issue hillary clinton, bernie sanders, and o'malley are with the president. hillary clinton and bernie sanders gave big speeches on what they would do about isis. they didn't directly criticize the president but did implicitly. >> this is a time for american leadership. no other country can rally the world to defeat isis and win the generational struggle against radical jihadism. >> a new and effective coalition must be formed with the leading the effort on the ground on the united states are and major forces provide the support they need. >> now they're trying to be nice. if you're saying it's a time for american leadership, aren't you at least impleasaicitly saying don't have it. bernie sanders said we need a new coalition.

isn't that a essentially saying what the president is tounge do failed? >> bernie sanders has been critical on the administration on various ways increasing over the last couple of months. for hillary clinton it's a tougher line to walk. you're noting, yes, i think what she's saying can be heard as a implicit criticism of president obama. she's not really that far off on policy where he is. it gets back to what julie was saying. a lot criticisms are style points. how obama portrayed american leadership here and overseas. i think you'll see a lot of push there. your concern to the point before about the 54% not in favor of this. that basically is identical to what a bloomberg poll showed last week. in is where people are. people are not in favor of this. it will be difficult to get to a general election for hillary clinton, i think still seems likely to be the nominee to argue this case and still separate herself from the president. >> does the style point include

tougher rhetoric because the republicans say he wants a radical islamic jihad. and the president did say overnight they're killers. does he get he needs to sound tougher? >> i think so. he would probably not admit he's responding to the criticism but he knows the initial statement he made on this. he basically criticized anybody who was going to criticize him and didn't try to acknowledge that there's a rational fear that a lot of people have. a lot of people want to hear their president talk tough about terrorists. you'll see that more when he gets back to washington. >> it's not a mistake she used the word in a high profile. >> our reporters share from their notebooks yet.

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let's head around the "inside politics table" ask our reporters to get you ahead of the political stories ahead. >> many republicans think it's impossible that someone like a donald trump or ben carson could actually win the nomination. ted cruz is a different story. he's 18% in iowa. he's clearly gaining momentum. i think the question that republicans face now is will they start to speak out against

ted cruz. he's not personally liked in washington. even by his colleagues in the senate. people are not speaking out against him. >> should be interesting to poll the establishment republicans. it you had to pick, who would you pick? >> up on capitol hill, john, stand out week for a freshman republican lawmaker. martha mcsally is a retired air force colonel. essentially held gabrielle giffords seat. she gave the saturday morning radio address saying the u.s. needs to be more force fful wit the military mite in the middle east. gop aids tell it seems to me he had a stand out week behind closed doors. using her military experience she was walking her colleagues through the details of what a military response might look like. for a party in desperate need of younger and female faces and voices, especially on the house side, she stands out and many

believe she has quite a future ahead of her. >> we talked on this show a few weeks ago how november was a crucial month for jeb bush. his advisors on his campaign and super pac by the end of november you would see signs of their big tv ads were making an impact with voters. particularly in the early voting states. we're at the end of november and you're not seeing any sign of that. he may not be in free fall but there's no sign of momentum. the questions at the bush aids will have to answer other the next week or so is what is next. is it time for them to finally make good on the promises that they keep making about going negative. drawing contrasts with rubio and perhaps trump? >> they meant december. >> sure. sure. >> one of the few areas of policy disagreement in the democratic party at the moment is education reform. you see democrats united on most fronts but education reform is a big divide. hillary clinton drew some

private chatter and ire from democratic voters that support president obama's education reform agenda, particularly when it comes to charter schools. she gave a comment where she was critical of charter schools. it was at odds with what she said in the past. there's a lot of concern among the democratic voters about what it means in terms of what president clinton will look like. she had early backing from the union. she's talking about the priorities. that's of concern to those that disagree with the unions. >> you think it could affect a little bit of money? >> toun the extent people can hd out as long as possible. >> a quick trip to new hampshire this past week. veteran's days republicans fo b most likely to implode is wishful thinking. they think that trump might win the state. especially if the field stays this crowded. among those nervous is the campaign team of kelly ayotte

who faces a tough 2016 re-election races. she's not planning to endorse in the presidential primary. she's nervous about her chances if trump ends up at the republican nominee. there's an effort underway to press gop activists in the state to back trump to apply the all politics is local rule and perhaps think again. thank you for sharing your sunday morning. "state of the union" starts right now. a world on edge. an international manhunt underway for the surviving terrorists and new fears that it is not over yet. what might isis have planned for america? plus, the heated battle over syrian refugees. >> to bring