officer 16 times in october of last year. the disturbing footage shows mcdonald falling to the ground after being shot, then hit multiple times while on the ground. >> the officer in this case took a young man's life and he is going to have to account for his actions. >> reporter: the 37-year-old officer, jason van dyke, is charged with first-degree murder and has been taken off the chicago police payroll. for now, he is being held without bond. van dyke's lawyer says his client feared for his life. >> it's truly not a murder case and we feel that we are going to be very successful in defending this case. >> reporter: on the night la kwan was fatally shot, investigators say mcdonald was wielding a knife which he allegedly used to slash the tire of a police car. police say when mcdonald, who had pcp in his system ignored orders to drop the knife, van dyke fired 16 rounds. >> officer van dyke was on the scene for less than 30 seconds before he started shooting. in addition to the fact that all

evidence indicates that he began shooting approximately six seconds after getting out of his vehicle. >> reporter: city officials had been prepping for mass demonstrations in the wake of the video's release, calling for peaceful protests. >> this opportunity for healing begins now. >> reporter: late tuesday, dozens locked arms in solidarity, blocking off an intersection and interstate 94. >> let him go were officers made some arrests but tense moments between the crowd and police never escalated out of control. that is a key point to keep in mind here, what we saw in ferguson last year is not what we are seeing in chicago this year. also worth noting two major differences here, the fact that van dyke has been arrested and held without bond and the fact that the city has already settled with the family for $5 million. that happening back in april. so very different circumstances than what we have seen in other cases, chris. >> cannot be emphasized enough, stephanie, very much, there are

key differences between this and other cases we have seen. let's start with the fact that there is videotape. it's too graphic, document want to see it. of course you need to see it, because that's the difference between this case and a lot of other cases. nypd former detective, friend of show, we deal with this all the time, makes a difference, however, harry, we are going to start with who the officer is, why it took a year, why the video didn't come out right away, why we haven't heard more from the police, unfair to put that on you or professor hill, we got to hear it from them. working on that part of the story. this is a veteran cop, okay? young man, a lot of time left in him, of course, but 18 citizens' complaints against him that's a high number, even in chicago that is a fairly active reporting place on a community basis. at this stage, and all of this time, officer since 2001, would he have been trained in how to deal with emotionally disturbed people? >> well, of course. i mean, this guy's got some time

on the job here. >> right. >> i expect more from an officer with this amount of time on the job than the way he reacted for the shooting. >> because that's what the key is, i'm talking to guys still on the job about this, they all say you deal with those situations differently, they call on different services, they say different things. here are the facts, okay? began shooting 30 seconds after arising. only out of the car for six seconds. he shot for 15 seconds. victim on the ground after two seconds. this was also very damning, but you would say, i need to see it i need to see it it was also the only shooting -- the only officer they believe was emptying his clip into this guy. so, that takes us to the actual video, all right? here it is. now, the one regrettable thing about this, this car looks like it is going to give you a great view of it, it doesn't. here's the kid, he is literally running down the middle of the street, okay? he is pulling up his pants, he is saying lots of things, he takes the knife out, the knife out, where's the knife? the knife is in his right hand. >> right hand.

>> just so you know, come on, baby, give me some of this here you go anyway, the knife is right here. the knife is right here, around here, got to see it. here is his hand, holding a knife, they definitely had that going for them. they had that -- they had a threat, okay? so the officers get out there is a fail lank of officers, two other cars, he just got shot. hold on a second. he just got shot by that officer as he popped out of the car, harry, all right? now, one shot leaves a puff on him. the second shot puts him on the ground. so he is now on the ground, maybe two, three shots in, okay? >> right. >> we continue. the puffs of smoke are additional bullets, the movements of his body are additional bullet he is. there's then a pause and more shooting. we can't see it, how do we know? they do know, they know it from the forensics, there's another puff, there's another puff. he is getting shot on the ground, lying prone. >> right. >> okay. now, one of the unfortunate things is here, obviously what happened, i'm saying aside from the obvious, where are the

officers? we don't have a great view? where is their body camera? angle of cars? not available recall at least to the public that goes into the understanding of why we don't have a full picture, we see enough here, harry. >> sure and we got ballistics to prove the bullets came from the officer's gun. >> what do you see? >> a man down should not have been shot when he was down on the ground, now the threat has been totally eliminated. i tell you at first, chris, when i came out, i thought that maybe before this video came out that i thought maybe the first initial shots by this police officer were going to be legitimate shots and would have been a legitimate shooting but looking at this here, when this officer comes out of the car. now, i can see the whole area, see the picture, you see this fence here, all right? there's no civilians walking down that street. it's cordoned off. there's nobody there. there's officers behind. so, he was heading towards that fence. to me, no reason for that officer to shoot. now the fact this officer, you know, we bring up this 21-foot rule all the time, all right, but you have to also inject some kind of common sense into that

also. when this man wasn't that much of a threat. that officer got out of that car so fast, fired shots so fast, saying when did he have time to assess the situation? >> with other officers who did not do the same? >> exactly. >> the kid, in terms of what, let he has got his hand in his pocket, skipping along, he is obviously not of his right mind. and never a turn -- never even a turn of what happens when with. this when this resets, you know, it's important to note that a good lawyer is going to say let's take each of these moments in time, let's take each of these moments in time when they are defending this officer. he is coming down, he's got it out. he is skipping, you know, he is not acting rationally, right? now he has got his knife out, brandishing the knife, his left hand is in his pocket. see -- does he ever turn? is there a ever step towards? >> you don't see that. no >> the step he takes is when he is shot. that is what spins him around >>. now we have mark la month hill with us. mark, i'm doing a lot of talking through this video because we want people to understand the analytical environment as you go

through a tape like this. now that we've seen it, what's the opinion? >> my opinion is, you know, before the video came out, we were debating this and my concern were the things that you mentioned, particularly the discrepancy in stories shall particularly the fact no other officer fired, those things made me question what was possible. after seeing the video, it's disturbing, it's disgusting, i nearly cried this morning watching it again, because it's obvious that one officer made a different set of choices than everyone else. there were other options on its table, other methods that could have been used to resolve this instead, he got out and started shooting. again, speaks to a broader issue we have here around how we respond to these circumstances. police officers have a dangerous job, we understand that, but that's what you sign up for. every time someone walks down the street with a knife, you don't shoot them if you have alternative measures, simply put, he did. >> now, what we still need to know, one very big helpful thing in this, the lawyer for the officer is going to come on the show today, we have him in an

exclusive and that's important because you need to hear what the best reckoning of this situation is in terms of what are we not seeing here? not seek the officer, not seeing what was going on in his head, the attorney has the best sense of that. so we will hear why he made the movements that he did in this and wound up taking this kid's life and dumping 16 bullets into him in 15 seconds. right. >> but also important, harry, where were the other cops? as far as we know, they didn't throw this other cop under the bus, didn't say, lack, did he crazy -- he was crazier than the perp. >> we don't know that >> there he is a been a year, no charges. the officers come out and say we don't think this was an authorized shooting, we don't know what van dyke was doing, this was nuts, wouldn't have take an year to process the investigation. >> first of all, let's not put the investigation on the police officers taking a year. i'm -- i've investigated a lot of shootings, police officer shootings, a lot of incidents like this we got this cleaned up in two weeks. i'm telling you right now two weeks. >> why a year? >> that's probably not the

police department's fault. >> whose fault? >> whatever politician made a decision to hold on to this i'm telling you -- >> politician? >> somebody had to. somebody had to make the decision, why did this attorney just come out recently and just charge this guy? we knew all the evidence against him when we first saw that video. so, i give him two, three weeks, the police department to finish their investigation. then you have an independent organization coming in to do an investigation. the evidence was there. so how come the district attorney's office didn't make the decision to charge him then? >> marc lamont hill, weigh in on that idea of justice delayed. >> we can't always find someone to blame, other than the police department. two days ago, harry and i are debating and he says the police did nothing wrong. we see the video, they did something wrong -- >> you and i were speculating. you don't know nothing either. you didn't know any more than i did until you saw the video. but they knew. >> let me finish that thought, harry, i'm glad you said that. what i said was they were in contradictions that made me

question the story. i don't know what's on the tape. you said the officer did nothing wrong without seeing the tape. >> we saw -- based on what we saw -- >> didn't see anything. >> that's what i meant. based on what we saw -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> final point. >> i made a point. my point is now that we have the video, now we have the information, saying the police officers didn't delay the investigation, we have no evidence to suggest the police didn't delay the investigation. >> you have any that they did? >> no, that's my point. >> thank you very much. >> but harry, i never said anything to the contrary. my point is we don't know, so let's stop -- >> right u >> -- let's stop defending police until we know. >> investigations like this before, shouldn't take more than two weeks. i'm sure the police department was done in two weeks. >> you are not sure of that, harry. you do not know -- chris, not making the same point. >> the same point this should have happened a lot sooner? >> that's not my point, chris. my point is we keep landing on this default reactionary to police without any evidence. what i'm saying, police are --

he is not saying that saying it is not the police's fault because the procedure's two weeks. i'm saying that we do not assume that the police followed procedure. the police do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. they just shot someone 16 times. >> yes, they do >> no, they don't, they just shot somebody 16 times, offered $5 million without the woman filing a suit. evidence here of foul play. we cannot continue to defend the police without any evidence. they do not deserve the benefit. what part of a dead person on the ground 16 times shot suggested the police -- >> an until the evidence comes out, you can't say the -- >> the evidence is -- >> the evidence is out now. [ overlapping speakers ] >> yes, that's why we need to stop defending police without evidence. they don't deserve it, simply on the ground dead, this should suggest there's some foul play. >> nobody suggests foul play. nobody's disagreeing with that, mark. obviously, something that should have been done expeditiouslism >> exactly. >> we will try to figure out y one step doing that is talking to the defendant now the police officer's lawyer, we have him on the show. mark la month hill, thank you

very much. harry, can't discuss this without passion, that's what it brings out in us, why the tape is so important, why the discussion is as well. coming up in the next hour, we will speak with daniel herbert, the attorney for officer jason van dyke, who is now charged with first-degree murder. we will ask him the questions. mick? breaking news in the escalating situation overseas after turk i shot down a russian military plane. we are just learning russian special forces have rescued the surviving pilot. let's get straight to becky anderson, live in istanbul with all the breaking details. becky? >> reporter: that's right, michaela. the russian defense ministry just confirming that the second pilot of that su-24 jet shot down by the turkish military at the air base in syria, his colleague, you will recall, was killed in the air by fire from the ground as he tried to parachute to safety on tuesday. and that is according to the russians. now, exclusive video obtained by cnn shows the wreckage there is

absolutely no dispute that the incident occurred. it is the circumstances though that are still very much in dispute. ago kara insists that the russian jet -- [ poor audio ] turkish airspace despite repeated warnings from the prime minister here in turkey. one left -- [ poor audio ] >> we are having audio issues. we apologize, as you can hear from becky's shot there, we will get back to her as soon as we resolve those. go to france now where investigators say the suspected ringleader of the paris attacks was planning even more death and destruction. prosecutors say abdelhamid abaaoud and an another man may have been hours away from carrying out a bombing in paris' financial district. clarissa ward is live in paris with all of the latest. what have we learned, clarissa? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, alison, we learned some pretty shocking new details about just what the ringleader of these

attack, abdul hack immediate abood did after they were perpetrated. he went back to the scene of his crimes according to signals picked up from his cell phone, he visited three of the scenes where those attacks took place, right after those attacks. so, likely as french police would have been on the scene trying to intervene, trying to protect and save those people in that hostage situation in the batalclan theater, abdelhamid abaaoud was, in fact, right nearby. we also know from the cell phone signals that he was communicating "constantly" throughout the night with a 20-year-old suicide bomber who blew himself up outside the stadium and perhaps the most chilling detail that we learned, alison, from the french prosecutor yesterday, is that they were planning another attack. abdul hamid abood and another man, whose identity we don't know, who actually was inside that apartment with abood during

the raid and dealt ton nated the vest that likely killed them both, those two men were apparently preparing a major attack on a financial district here in paris. that raid took place on wednesday and that attack on that financial district here in paris was supposed to take place either on the wednesday or the thursday. so, police kbh the there in the nick of time. chris? >> clarissa, thank you very much. and giving us a window into real problem within the investigation, doing lots of raids, getting a lot of information, but the more they learn, the more they know about the threat, the breadth and depth of it, and that's why there's so many different areas being frozen. for instance in belgium, brussels has been frozen, life there has been basically on lockdown. today, they are trying to get back to normal. the schools will reopen. the metro service is partially restored. four days, this he had to keep quiet in terms of allowing a lot of movement because they were worried about all the threat

information they had been taking in. the city remains under the highest level of security. and the authorities have issued warrant for this man now. he has been wanted since two days before the attacks. he hasn't been found, but he is an active part of the investigation, we are told. meanwhile a state of emergency has been declared in tunisia following a suspected terrorist attack there. at least 15 people were killed when a bomb went off on a bus carrying presidential guards in the capital city of town his. no group has yet claimed responsibility, but the north african nation has been targeted in the past by isis. you recall in june, 38 people were killed when an isis gunman opened fire at a crowded beach resort hotel. well, vladimir putin is warning there will be "serious consequences" for the downing of that russian warplane by turkey. he is reportedly deploying a missile cruiser off the syrian coast and beefing up security at a syrian air base. keep it right here because on cnn, in the next hour, we will be joined live by republican presidential candidate jeb bush about what he thinks about what should be done next.

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escalating tensionless after turkey shot down that russian fighter jet on the syrian border. lou this affect the global effort to stop isis? let's bring in cnn's military analyst and retired army former commanding general of europe and seventh army lieutenant mark hertling and cnn international diplomatic editor, nic robertson. gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. let's talk, general, about these conflicting reports. as you know, turkey says that russia flew over its airspace. russia says it did not. and in fact, there's a graphic now showing both of these conflicting reports. russia is in the red, okay, so, here is what russia says its radar shows. and you can see that the red line dips just below that white lip of the turkey border, whereas the yellow line is turkey's account and you can see that the yellow line skirts right over the bottom tip of turkey's border. so, general, who are we to believe? >> well, we don't know yet,

alison, until all the evidence is in. i would tend to believe the turkish account, of course, i'm a little bit biassed in that regard because i've seen some of the other things russia has done. every time there's an incident like this, there is a manipulation of the facts by the russian government. they immediately get open the air and talk about what they did and did not do and early on in this account, syria claimed, first of all, that the russian aircraft went in their airspace on multiple passes and they have it on radar tracks and probably it's on an awacs track as well from the coalition. the russians immediately come back and say, no, no, no, we remained in syria, but the facts of the matter is this is not the first time russia has done this. they have been warped several times by the turkish government not to enter their airspace, as recently as november 19th, the russian ambassador was pulled in to ago kara and told, you need to stop this. russia has sent uads across the turkish border, one of which was

shot down, and they had a mig 29 a few weeks ago paint turkish f-16 multiple times, which means they were locking them on with missile-firing radars. so all of these things seem to indicate that russia is now trying to back step from what really occurred and i tend to believe they were in turkish airspace as they have done multiple names the past as they have done in other nato countries. >> quickly, general, sorry, i want to ask you, if they were there in russian airspace, sounds like they were there, radar says, for 30 session, do you think that warrants being shot down? >> actually, alison, i do and it wasn't just the fact that they were there for 30 seconds once, they were there multiple times and they have been warned to stop that. you know, turkey has the right to defend their territorial airspace. this seems like an extreme measure but what we have seen over the past year is russia has excessively been aggressive, again, not just in turkey, but in other nato country and i

believe their strategic design is to attempt to affect the co-here reps of nato. >> okay. nick, let me read to what you vladimir putin has just put out a statement about what happened. let me read it to you. he says, "today's government of turkey has been conducting a deliberate policy of supporting the islamization of its country for numerous years now" some of this has been translated, the graham smash a little different than ours. it says, "we support islam and we will do so" but what we are talking about is a support of a more radical islam and creates unhealthy environment, atmosphere, which you can't see from first glance. nick, sounds like he is saying this is about much more than just the downing of this jet. >> well, russia's long-term strategic objective has been, over recent years, to divide nato to divide opinion within nato, to try and break away countries from their unified -- unified position toward russia. the downing of this aircraft is

an opportunity for him to perhaps to -- to exploit that. we heard the czech president yesterday suggesting perhaps turkey had acted a little hastily, the czech republic, of course, a member of nato. so there will be feelings within nato that this strike, while turkey is absolutely has a right to do it, comes at a very sensitive diplomatic moment, there where there's -- this is a moment where russia's help trying to bring russia on board to get a diplomatic solution in syria is -- is an important thing to be striving for. nevertheless, what we are seeing russia do right now is exploit the notion that's been circulating that by dint of allowing radical islamists to pass through turkey, not cracking down on them hard the past few years, allowing them to sort of get a foot hold inside

syria, these are the allegations that turkey is compliant with radical islamists. you have president putin playing on something that has been on some countries' minds and turkey criticized for not doing enough to tackle isis in the past some this is absolutely concurrent and in keeping with what we have seen vladimir putin do. he is trying to play on those little seeds of doubt about turkey's real agenda and its real hope and aspirations in syria. >> general hertling, nic robertson, thanks so much for giving us all of that information. obviously, we will be monitoring this all morning. let's get to michaela. as you have heard, the u.s. and russia certainly at odds over syria. can there be peace if president assad stays in how do the superpowers come together on a syrian solution? ahead. going to explore that also, be sure to stay with cnn because in the next hour of "new day" we will be joined live by republican presidential candidate jeb bush.

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french president francois hollande trying to build a global coalition to wipe out

isis meets with jer ma's chancellor today and russia's president tomorrow. president hollande and president obama both united in saying assad of syria must go. cnn senior washington correspondent joe johns live at the white house with all of these meetings and the importance of them all. >> hi, michaela this meeting yesterday was made all the more timely by the shootdown of a russian warplane by turkish jets. president obama calling for a deescalation of tensions in the region, also supporting the right of turkey, a nato ally, to defend itself. this meeting between the president and the french president was supposed to be about creating a grand coalition between the united states and russia and others in the fight against isis, but about the only thing hollande and president obama seemed to agree upon was getting the allies to participate more, more information sharing and information gathering.

now as you said, president hollande goes on to meet with angela merkel of germany. that occurs today. then he goes to a meeting with vladimir putin of russia again to talk once more about that coalition. one big question, of course, is the issue of a regime change in syria. president obama has said bashar al assad has to go but russia has been accused of propping him up. so, we will just have to see how that goes. there will be another opportunity for president obama to sit down and talk once again with the french president. that will occur at a climate conference this weekend. president obama goes on sunday to paris. back to you, chris. >> obvious, joe, looking the it around the edges, the question where is this critical mass of momentum they need in this war against isis in thank you for the reporting. so, big provocative question that's kind of driving the 2016 race for president is county's

success. the question why does he seem to get it right with supporters and polls when critics say he is all wrong? we are going to take a closer look at why he may be doing well not despite what he says but exactly because of it. and a reminder, top of the hour, republican presidential candidate jeb bush live. stay for his take.

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donald trump is in south carolina and he tells voters about his ability to overcome his most controversial statements. why is he able to regularly make comments that would certainly get other candidates in more trouble than they do with him? let's discuss, cnn political analyst and evidence tore y'all director at the national journal, ron brownstein. and cnn political comment tate and political anchor at time warner cable news, erroll lewis. >> okay. so let's talk about how donald trump is enjoying his bulletproof status. here's what he said on the campaign trail last night in south carolina about it. >> teflon don. >> they say that trump can do

almost anything and nobody believes me. it is true, you know? a couple of things they said, oh, this is the end. this is the end, what he just said. and i liked what i said, right? but they say it all the time, these dopes. >> these dopes. >> that's us he is talking about, by the way. >> these dopes. all right, ron, let me start with you. how -- how do you explain that we've never seen anything like this and he's never tripped up by his controversial comes? >> i guess i would dispute he has paid no cost for this. there's no question that donald trump is connecting with his base and many of the things that he vase challenged have not hurt him with that base because they share the underlying sent.sthat he is expressing about muslim-americans, about immigrants, about crime, that's particularly true among the blue collar republicans who are the core of this support but if you look at the polling, i think it is very clear that donald trump is facing significantly more resistance among the center right, white collar wing of the

party. in the abc/"washington post" poll last week, 41% among non-college republicans, only 23% among college-educated republicans. the iowa poll that came out yesterday by quinnipiac university only two-fifth of college-educated republicans in iowa says he shares their values. i think there is a bloc of the party unsettled by trump's persona, his language, his demeanor but no one has yet consolidated that against him and that's why he does not seem to be paying any price for that that could change down the road and then we will look back somewhat differently on the presentation he has made this fall. a nice piece of erudition there, errol are, where are all the people in the polling, where are all the people against him? where are they? >> another way to interpret it, i think ron is exactly right, not losing support but is he gaining support? >> yes. >> the reality is that it's not -- it's not galloping along, right? as ron points out. and they never like to hear this, but if you're going to talk about one poll number, tough talk about all the poll

numbers. lesser-educated republicans are much more enamored of donald trump than those who have college degrees. now at some point, those numbers start to mean something, especially after people go to the polls. the other thing is we have some big stuff ahead of us. i think we are still in the shopping phase, a lot of people just getting to note candidates. they are -- the numbers suggest that people are tuning in in huge numbers to these debates and liking what they hear and still sort of thinking about it, but we also know from past election cycles that of the aer the first votes start getting polled, the numbers of google searches shoot up into the stratosphere. the numbers of people who suddenly start changing their mind starts to shoot into the stratosphere and really starts to turn into sort of a big convenient and a rolling wave into that first -- into super tuesday, frankly, where lots and lots of things happen all at once. so, donald trump is enjoying his moment in the sun. i don't know how long that lasts. maybe it lasts, maybe he -- maybe he does ride this to the white house, but it's really too soon to be sure about that. >> ron, has something shifted in

our country or our culture, more comfortable being in fact-free zones. we feel things. he is tap nothing what voters feel, their impression. and don't bother them with facts really. >> well, you know, it is interesting, because it does reflect kind of this retreat to separate corners where each party, daniel patrick moynihan once famously said, people are entitled to their own opinions, they are not entitled to their own facts and kind of moved to only some extent before that each party, the partisan elements relying on information sources that largely confirm what they already believe. i would agree with chris, there's no question that trump is -- is seeing his support consolidate and somewhat grow as you get this nexus of immigration and terrorism into the headlines. that really pushes the builts on of the voters will are most drawn to him, but i do believe that if you look at the numbers, escorting a risk here, that he -- as he becomes more extreme in his comments, i think there is more of the party that is resistant to him, the problem is

no one has yet consolidated those voters and now dividing among jeb bush, john kasich, chris christie, carly fiorina and marco rubio, eventually, they will consolidate and trump will fair, i think, a greater challenge when more of that -- more of that block of the party is mobilized against him. >> only thing i would said that i don't think it's his supporters don't care about the facts. it's which facts they care about and whose reckoning of them they want to recognize. and trump is the man they believe. facts are at our fingertips, everybody can go on the internet. ron, erroll, thank you. see you guys. at the top of the hour, we will be speaking live with republican presidential candidate jeb bush about all of this and more. stick around for that. michaela? >> did you know tomorrow is thanksgiving? >> what? >> yes, i know. time to get that pumpkin pie ready. the holiday thanksgiving holiday bring a lot of rush with it as well, going to shift into high gear in the face of this worldwide travel alert from the state department, we are going to check in live at new york's

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well, millions of americans will be heading to their thanksgiving destination today. we should warn you, you should expect longer security lines and more thoreau passenger screenings. to you are jason carrel is live at laguardia airport, set to be a busy place, given the fact there is this worldwide alert being issued. >> reporter: well, michaela, note to self if you ever want to travel through laguardia airport, do it about this time, 6:45, because take a look right now, things are working and moving really smoothly. i have seen the security line here in the past, michaela it has extended all the way down that hallway, look where it is right now. things moving along just fine at this point. flights are on time. despite that worldwide travel alert. tsa, as you know, has doubled down on security, combine that with being one of the busiest travel days of the year, expecting later on this afternoon, expected to get very busy out here. should tell you between now and sunday, 3.6 million people expected to fly. should also point out, michaela

that travel alert does not say that u.s. citizens should not fly or avoid travel, it just simply says use extra vigilance when you're out in public transport, using -- out in public spaces. also want to point out that the tsa did not specify what types of added security measures we will see, but some of the things that we can expect to see when we are out here, moran dom searches, more bomb-sniffing dogs, more of those swabs when you're going through the line for explosives. some of the best advice -- some of the best advice we give every single year when we are out here, use extra time when you're heading out to the airports. michaela? >> just arising in the last second, like cuomo does, tough build in a little extra time for that extra screening. jason, we will check back with you to see if things stay that wake nice and calm there at laguardia. weather is such an important part of this picture as well. does mother nature seem poised to pose some headaches for holiday travellers? meteorologist jennifer gray taking a look at the forecast. looks like a little bit of

moisture headed in some directions. >> absolutely. half the country looking good for the holiday weekend. that's the east side. the west side is where we could see some problem. salt lake city picking up some snow today. dallas picking up the rain, so we could see some delays there, but all in all, not so bad today. the bigger problems are going to come tomorrow into friday. we have this front setting up. that's going to sweep across the country. not only bring rain and snow, it's going to bring ice and that's where we could see the biggest problems anywhere from the texas panhandle all the way up through the southern plains. and it's really going to linger thursday even nothing friday evening and parts of saturday. we could see half an inch to three quarters of an inch of ice in wichita. that's going to make travel very, very difficult. and that's going to last through much of the weekend. however, chris, the best part about it, the forecast for the macy's parade, in the 60s, you will barely even need a coat. >> fantastic. very nice. i hear starting to run along the south shore, you know how that makes me feel, jen, a very good

thanksgiving to you. >> you, too. >> she can fish, by the way. oh, yeah, she fish. when we come back, we have news for you. remember russia saying this was a stab in the back? now, their authorities are saying something more. they believe this is what you see on your screen, a planned provocation. they also say what they are going to do about it. we will have that for you right after the break.

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we have new information for you out of russia. the foreign minister calls the shootdown of a military plane by turkey a "planned provocation," okay? but very surprising is that he also says, minister lavrov, that they are not planning to go to war with turkey over it. that's what russia says for now. now, what will it do? certainly deploying surface-to-air missiles in syria, what will that mean going forward? thomas pickering is the former u.s. ambassador to russia and the united nations, among other places. he is now with the brookings institute and he joins us. happy thanksgiving to you in advance, thank you for joining us, mr. ambassador. let me ask you something, a little bit of a different context. president obama constantly gets criticized in comparison to vladimir putin because putin is

strong and obama favors negotiation and vass lation, isn't that what we are seeing from putten? somebody shoots his plane out of the air, says it was intentional but i'm not going to go to war. very reasoned response from him, isn't it? >> chris, i think what we need to do is look at mr. putputin's objectives. what he wants to achieve is the preservation of president assad, the use of his power and approach to deter turkey from continuing to help size and the people who are against assad. this was, in every sense of the word, not a provocation. it was clearly a russian aircraft flying turkish airspace after multiple warnings. the turks were justified in acting in self-defense. he has now got a lemon and he is turning it into lemonade. he is going to try to use this to develop greater pressure on turkey and greater pressure on the situation in syria to his advantage to meet those two objectives. >> just because someone's in

your airspace and you might have certain legal justifications doesn't mean you should shoot them out of the air. would you think that putin could be playing this more to his advantage in terms of being a victim, couldn't he? >> well, putin loves to be a victim but he also likes to be the tough guy. so we see both of those here. and those are important to him, both in his domestic pursuit of popularity in russia and keeping russia hanging together with him and in his international objectives in syria and i think that's what we are seeing play out here. the good news, obviously, is that they are not entering into a kind of new state of conflict. they don't need that, neither do we, neither do the turks. and the president's call with president hollande yesterday for consolation, hollande's visit, i think, are hopefully going to put this in a position where it doesn't become a major issue slowing down the very important discussions on syria. those are the kinds of things here i think have to be foremost in u.s. objectives and foremost in the direction of the area. >> all right. so help us understand this a little bit deeper because, look,

nobody wants more escalation. i don't want to spend my thanksgiving hustling over to ankara to cover some type of enhanced conflict there. but if his -- what does it say about what his objectives are putin, if he is willing to overlook having a jet shot out of the air and how can the coalition use that intensity of purpose to meet their own aims? >> well, chris, i am going to say this, from turkey to turkey is not your fate this weekend, i think. >> good. >> i think the really interesting piece here is that putin is handling this in a way that channels it in a direction i think we can take advantage of, first, preserve the talks. secondly, do everything we can to keep him from continuing to hit our friends and allies, because he needs them. in the long run, the future of syria suspect dependent on mr. assad. mr. assad has no military chance of achieving victory. mr. putin knows and understands

that and off and on over the year years, the russians said it is not assad, it is a new government in turkey, who's going to head it? we don't know, he doesn't know. we need to have a set of relationships with the future of syria, not with the past in this regard. and putin ought to be concerned, as i think he is about isis, but it's not yet his top priority. so, point one, let's help him make that his top priority. point two let's get him thinking about the future of syria and what his long-term interests are. point three, continue to use the process that's been engaged to make that happen. if he develops some additional leverage, let's see whether we can coincide using that leverage for the common objectives, which he ought to share but hasn't yet made clear that he will, but the conciliatory remarks, in my view, are a move in the right direction and mirror what the president and president hollande had to say here yesterday. >> strange that his plane getting shot out of the air may

have actually moved him closer to the coalition in some bizarre watch ambassador thomas pickering, thank you very much for the perspective as always and the best for thanksgiving to you and your family. >> thank you, chris and the same to you. >> all right. we are following a lot of news this morning. we have head lanes for you. let's get to it. unrest erupting in chicago. hundreds of protesters take to the streets. >> officer jason van dyke faces first-degree murder charges. >> abused his authority. i don't believe the force was necessary. >> on the ground, why do they need to shoot any more? turkey, like every country, has a right to defend its territory and its airspace. >> was the turkish military justified in shooting it down? a new manhunt under way across europe for this man. >> believed to have dropped off one of the bombers who attacked the stade de france. something going on in the mosques, there's something we don't know about. >> the country is too good for this. this whole idea of just preying on people's deep-seeded fears

about what the future looks lick. >> presidential hopeful jeb bush joins us live. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, allison cam rot ta and michaela pereira. good morning, everyone, welcome back to your new day. we will be speaking live with republican candidate jeb bush in just a few moments. there he is now. we look forward to talking to him. we will be with you in a few moments, governor, but first, we do have some breaking news. outrage in chicago as dramatic dash cam video is released of a white police officer firing 16 shots, killing a black teenager. that officer now arrested and charged with first-degree murder. now, it's important to remember this happened last october. so, why charges now? why is the video only coming out now? big questions. cnn's stephanie elam live in chicago with the very latest. stephanie? >> reporter: good morning, chris. we have known about the fact that there is an officer who shot this 17-year-old 16 times, that was not a secret but no one had seen the video. a judge ruled that the world should see it and that it had to

come out by wednesday. yesterday, that video was released and now, we can show it to you and i want to warn, for anyone who hasn't seen this, this may be upsetting but here is the dash cam video of what transpired on october 20, 2014. as you can see there, you can see that this 17-year-old, laquan, is shot, he falls to the ground and then it seems that he is shot several more times while he is on the ground. what we have understand is that jason van dyke, the officer in question here, he was charged with first-degree murder yesterday. he is being held without bond. his lawyer says that he felt that he was in danger and that is why he shot so many times, but many people wanting to see this video, wanting to see what happened here. now, across the city of chicago, people were bracing for a protest. there were protests that ran

into -- late into the night yesterday, but nothing like we saw in ferguson last year. and two -- a couple reasons we need to point out the dumps here, the fact that van dyke has already been charged and also the fact that the city had settled with the family for $5 million back in april. big differences there, but definitely still some heated protests overnight. chris? >> all right, stephanie, thank you very much. there's some big questions here, when you watch the video, you immediately go to what was the officer thinking? well, we have an exclusive interview with the lawyer for officer van dyke later this hour. let's hear him make the case, all right? mick? all right, breaking news overseas, a top russian official calling the shootdown of a fighter jet by turkey a planned act. the situation rapidly escalating with a war of words heating up between the two nations. let's turn to cnn's becky anderson live in istanbul with all the breaking details for us. becky? >> reporter: that's right, michaela. the russian defense ministry has just confirmed that the second

pilot of the su-24 jet shot down by the turkish military is safe and back at a russian air base in syria. we have got exclusive video obtained by cnn, shows the wreckage, though the circumstances, i have to say, are still very much in dispute. we have just heard a televised address by the turkish prime minister who said that two planes, two planes breached turkish airspace on tuesday, one left and the other remained despite defeatrepeated warningst was shot down. the fact it was in the airspace is disputed by the russians. president putin describes the incident of a stabbing in the back and warned of serious consequences for relations between the two, going so far as to accuse turkey of supporting terrorism and protecting the isis organization. not surprising, says his prime minister in russia this morning, given, he says shall and i quote dmitry medvedev here, "the

direct financial interest of certain turkish officials related to the import of oil produced at isis facilities." on his part, in the past hour, president erdoggen says he has no intention escalating the matter and in a call with him, barack obama expressed u.s. and nato support for turkey's rate to defend its sovereignty while manufacture sizing the importance of deescalating the situation. what's clear in all of this is already very messy picture in regard to this conflict in syria has gotten even more complicated. alisyn? >> thank you for all of that. as devastating as the paris attacks were, they could have been worse, according to police, the suspected ringleader had plans to do much more. abdelhamid abaaoud and another man may have been hours away from carrying out an attack on paris' financial district. cnn's senior international correspondent, clarissa ward is live for us from paris this morning. what have you learned, clarissa?

>> reporter: good morning, alisyn. new details now about what the architect of the paris attacks did in the moments and hours after coordinating those attacks. according to french authorities, using his cell phone signals, they were able to ascertain that he actually went back to the scene of three of those attacks right after they were perpetrated. that means that he likely would have been on the scene outside the batalclan theater as riot police and french officials were arriving on the scene, trying to defuse the situation. that certainly a shocking revelation. we also heard from french officials yesterday that abaaoud was reportedly in "constant contact" with one of the suicide bombers who blew himself up outside the stadium on the night of the attacks. [ sirens ] and we also learned that abaaoud was planning yet another attack, that he was planning, alongside the man who was killed, the unidentified man who was killed in the raid where he was killed

as well, in that apartment, the two of them were planning an attack on la defense, a financial district here in paris and police reportedly got there just in the nick of time. chris? claris clarissa, i will take it. thanks so much for all of that background. we want to bring in now republican presidential candidate and former florida governor jeb bush. governor, we have so much news to talk to you about this morning. great to see you on "new day." >> thank you, alisyn. >> okay. let's talk about our top story, i know you have been listening in this morning about the protests overnight in chicago when, once again, we have seen a white police officer shoot a black teenager in what many believe was excessive force. what do you think is behind these incidents that we have seen over the past year? >> well, there's a lot -- there's a rising tide of violence in big urban areas. chicago has an extraordinary high murder rate. it is tough to be a police officer when they -- when they do what appears to have happened

here, they should be charged, as was the case in this case, and the fact that there was protests but no violence in chicago is a trib bupt to the people of chicago. we are living in difficult times. i mean, if you just watch your show this morning, as i did, there's no good news. i mean, it is troubling around the world and troubling inside of our country. and i think public leaders need to try to figure out ways to unite people around common purposes again rather than divide us up. >> it does sometimes feel as though there's no good news. i agree with you, particularly with the situation that's happening overseas and all the tension. as you know, yesterday, turkey shot down a russian warplane. turkey says that russia invaded their airspace. russia says that they did not. who do you believe? >> i believe turkey but it will be verified by all sorts of ways through technology. turkey is a nato ally. they are -- they are an integral part, if we are to be successful in the fight against isis and to -- to change regimes, to take out assad, which should be our

objective, used to be our objective. if we are serious about that, turkey needs to be an all lie and we need to show support. i think president obama was correct to say that every country has a right to self-defense. why were the sorties, russian sorties in that area? they weren't there to attack the remnants of the syrian free army or -- excuse know, fight isis, isis is not in that territory. most of their sorties are against the very people that we are trying to arm and to support for a solution to this. so, russia's not our ally in this regard. we have to deal with them from a position of strength, not weakness. >> but russia could be our ally in fighting isis. i mean, they, too, say that they want to fight isis, so, how would you, as president, deescalate that situation? >> look, i -- russia could be our ally but they would have to abandon their alliance with iran and with assad. but for iran and russia, assad would not exist. that's key element of creating a secure syria.

we're not going to be successful taking out isis without dealing with the assad regime as well. so, russia could be, but we have to deem with them from a position of strength. our weakness allowed for them to create a military base at warp speed inside syria. our weakness has now allowed them to re-engage in the middle east for the first time. our strength would be to say here are the conditions in which we will -- we will work with you. what russia wants to do is to create a destabilized nato. they want to create a buffer similar to what existed in the soviet union, where their influence and power in eastern europe begins to become more important than what western europe thinks. and we should not allow that to happen that will create instability around the world. >> but what if russia didn't agree to our conditions? i understand the position of strength argument, but russia doesn't always comply. >> that's right, but they would respect strength. i think one thing we have learned from putin is he senses weakness and exploits it and when he senses strength, he reacts to it in the right way. >> let's talk about fighting

isis. what would you do differently than what we are seeing now to defeat isis? >> first of all, i would ask the military commanders for a strategy, options for a strategy to destroy isis, not to contain it, because its containment actually gives it energy to expand. we saw the tragedy in tunisia yesterday and other attacks in lebanon and other places that seem to be isis or al qaeda-inspired. we have to to have a strategy and the military needs to have their hands -- no longer hands tied behind their back, which means that the sorties need to be effective. 75% of all the air strikes that we -- that we undertake, which are far fewer than what existed in afghanistan, for example, don't even send -- don't even drop their ordnances, that's because we don't have the intelligence on the ground and we have lawyers on top of the air force. we have air superior knit this region, it could be devastating but we are creating conditions that make it hard for our war fighters to fight. we also need to build an alliance to demand, in essence, the arab nations to support one

unified army in syria and we need to re-engage as it relates to iraq with the military there and the sunni tribal leaders and we need to arm directly the kurds, we need a strategy to effectively destroy isis. we could do it if we had the will to do it this president hasn't shown the l >> you have given us a lot to work with there. let try to dissect some of it you said no intelligence amount ground. as you know, the president has sent 50 more advisers so are you saying this in order to be effective against isis that there should be more boots on the ground to call in those air strikes? >> 50 -- 50 special operators is 50 better than what existed before but it's not a strategy. a strategy would be how do we mobilize support for the remnants of the syrian free army, and it might require combat troops to inspire an international effort. i would let the military commanders give the commander in chief options rather than tell them what you want to hear. and so having -- not having

gotten those options, i can't tell you if we are going to have boots on the ground but certain lakers more expanded role for the special operators would be essential. and be more effective in strikes a it is relates to the air. this last week, there was a convoy of stolen refined oil and diesel going to turkey to be sold. and they sent out fliers to the -- dropped fliers before they started striking to the truck drivers to tell them to abandon, d.c. they may not have been isis supporters. my gosh, that's not how you fight a war. you need to destroy their abilities to garner money. that was the appropriate action, but tying the hands of the war fighters the way that this administration has done shows that this is a law enforcement exercise, not a fight -- not a military fight. and so, we need to unleash the military in unison with our partners in europe and the middle east to be effective in this regard. >> of course what they say they are doing is to try to avoid civilian casualties and that's why the policy --

>> of course. of course that's why they -- the united states always applies the international standards for war fighting but these are additional conditions on top of the military that goes way beyond what the norms for war are. it shows this lack of intent to create a strategy to destroy isis. this is more of a policy of containment. and so -- and it's why this incremental effort is not going to work. >> you say you listen to your military advisers but of course, do you have many foreign policy advisers on your team. many of them served in your brother's administration or your father administration. what do they tell you about the right number of combat troops? >> well, they -- what they tell me is we need far more -- more serious approach. what we need is american leadership first, because if we don't -- if we don't lead, others won't follow. the specific numbers really relate to the conditions on the ground, but we do need a greater force in both in iraq and in syria, that is the general consensus of the people i talked

to, both in and out of my brother's administration is really not relevant, it is the folks that have some experience recognize that this is not -- this is a tepid effort, if we are serious about it, we need to engage in a more robust way. and that's the only way, by the way, that you can get the turks and the saudis an the other persian gulf countries, the egyptians, the jordanians and the european countries to join our alliance and be effective. >> general petraeus disagrees there should be more boots on the ground. i believe we have that sound. perhaps the producers -- yes we do listen to this governor. >> if we are require there had to clear and hold an area, it's not sustainable. again, you need to have a hold force that has legitimacy in the eyes of the people, that has to be sunni arab forces in iran -- >> cannot be american forces? >> should not be, not at this stage. >> so, general petraeus, what do you think? >> i completely agree with what he is saying. >> but essay nothing more

american forces. >> no, no, he didn't say that. what he said was that you -- this has to be led by a sunni-arab effort both in iraq and syria where -- but but without major leadership, that's not going to whhappen, we need provide american support and embed our operators in the iraqi military. >> to be clear -- the question -- >> sunni tribal leaders which general petraeus was so effective doing in the surge and he would support that. at the end of the day this has to be their effort. for us to create a lasting strategy of security, we can't do this alone. i agree with that >> just to be clear, governor, the question was so it cannot be american forces and general petraeus said, no, it should not be, not at this stage. >> well, he also said that to secure the peace, it has to be led by sunni arab forces, i completely agree with that we need a much more robust effort, as we had with the surge i think

we have every right to make sure we have proper screening and also make sure christians persecuted at record levels in the middle east are protected. and ultimately, the way to solve the refugee problem is to create safe havens inside of syria where people -- the force that i

was describing is there to protect them over the long haul, but the refugee problem is a symptom of a bigger problem over the lack of resolved that the united states to create a coalition to be able to deal with the tragedy that is taking place in syria. >> i want to ask but some of your comments lately about donald trump. you know, donald trump, as i'm sure you know, he talked about muslim americans and talked about their reaction after 9/11. he said that he saw them celebrating and cheering. do you believe that happened? >> no, i don't. i don't believe it happened. i know many muslims that were just as angry and saddened by the attack on our country. i don't believe it. look, donald trump says these things to prey on people's fears, their anger, their frustration with washington. he is quite effective at it. but he doesn't know what he is talking about. and he is not a serious leader. we are living in difficult times. we need serious leadership to be able to solve the problems that

we have domestically and lead america around the world so that we can create peace and security for ourselves. >> um, i want to talk about your latest poll numbers, because they are not encouraging. here's the latest "washington post"/abc news poll, it shows donald trump at 32% and you down at 6%. having slipped, actually, slightly from last month at 7%. so, governor, what's your plan? why do you think -- >> alisyn, that same poll, there is always a silver lining in these polls that poll showed i beat hillary clinton by a higher margin than any republican candidate. that is my case. i can beat hillary clinton. i could become president. i have the proven leadership skills to do it as we get closer to the primaries' end, the beginning of the primary, february 1st iowa caucuses, people are going to look at who has the skills, the talent, the heart, the spine to be able to be a president. not who is going to fulfill my angst and anger in the here and now. as we get closer, i feel really

confident. we have a great -- we have a great team out in the fields, i'm connecting with voters on this thanksgiving eve. i am confident i'm going to win the republican nomination. >> so i mean, people do think that you will -- pundits have said that they do live that you maybe the last man standing after these dalliances go away. so you think -- you're predicting february 1st is sort of your moment? >> no, i'm just saying that's when it starts, we're not even halftime yet. we have -- we have a long way to go. in all the primaries past, there's always been a moment where candidates that ultimately are the winner begin to surge and i'm confident through the hard work of our team and through my hard work that i'm going to be there -- i'm going to be there at the starting line to be a viable candidate and i believe i'm going to win the republican nomination. >> governor, i have 20 seconds left, how will you be spending thanksgiving? >> i'm going to be spending it with my immediate family, with my in-laws, with my four unbelievably near-perfect grandchildren and with my

adorable wife. >> that's great. have a wonderful holiday. thanks so much for being on "new day" governor. >> thanks, alisyn. happy thanksgiving to you. >> thanks so much. >> a lot of big issues just tackled there with republican candidate jeb bush. we are going to break down the interview, what he said and what it means, right ahead. when your cold makes you wish... ...you could stay... ...in bed all day... ...you need the power of... new theraflu expressmax. new theraflu expressmax. the power to feel better.

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all right. republican presidential candidate jeb bush laying it all out there, didn't duck any questions, so, let's figure out what he said, what it means. bring in cnn chief national correspondent john king. john, happy almost thanksgiving to you. what was your take? >> what a case study. that interview there is a case study. they are going to be looking at this not only in political science class bus marketing classes and psychology classes, the approach of jeb bush versus the approach of donald trump. governor bush there now, people in the administration, republicans might nitpick this or nitpick that, what did you have, when talking about syria, a calm measured approach, talking about building a coalition, a lot of nuance in what he would do differently than president obama, starting, he says, with a case for more stronger, aggressive american leadership, beyond specifics, twist some arms, crack some heads, build a stronger

coalition, you can take that approach. that is what he said the country should want, a seasoned, calmed, measured president, contract that with people who said put surveillance on the mosques, if president obama lets this edge in, i will throw them out and bomb the bleep out of isis that is the choice republican voters face and chris and alisyn that choice is almost upon us, iowa votes very quickly now, inside ten weeks, we have the holidays, when we come out of christmas this election that we have been talking about for so long is going to start in a blur and governor bush, alisyn noted, struggling at the moment, hoping for an opening. >> what john king says, agree with it did you get the sense when you were asking him questions that he identifies and responds to the angst that donald trump is tapping into? he seemed to have a very erudite explanation for it you know that's key in retail politics, you have to make them know you know how they feel. did you get that? >> my take on him has always been that's baffled by it, this

is not how politics works in his experience and his family's experience. his father was considered now one of the statesmen of how he handled foreign affairs. so, i think he is baffled by it. so i don't know that he taps into t and also what he said, that he thinks his time will come, that all of this will pass and that his time will come. i mean, john, what did you think about the timing, where he said, lake, i'm going to be -- february 1st look around then and that's when you will see my numbers, you know, going up. >> he is making a case, alisyn, that when voters actually -- when republican voters get closer to actually, whether it is going into a caucus or stepping behind the curtain in new hampshire, south carolina, nevada, beyond that they are going to put aside their reaction to trump, reaction to carson, this outsider movement and think, okay this is serious now, picking somebody who has to stand on a debate stage, most likely against hillary clinton. he is hoping that elect ability becomes an issue. look, the history is more often than not, primaries are about ideology. trump is not an ideological

candidate, what drives republican strategists in the establishment nuts because donald trump is not -- he is not ted cruz, jeb bush in a race against ted cruz, off contrast of ideology, trump is not eyedy logic, i call this the nascar here tory. bush thinks you're okay being four, five cars back, somebody eventually is going to take trump into the wall, with than car hits the wall, who know what is going to happen to the first two or three guys a spinout and a mess an an opportunity. that's the bet they are making, a lot of them are making, the question will it happen. >> let's take his metaphor, the nascar one, okay, that means that jeb bush those assume at some points, he is going to can a much a draft, be so close to the other cars, trump is taken out, he can slingshot past and that take us to what a very famous, famous guy that john knowsle with, david garth, big election, big shot consultant, he used to say ideology loses to one thing every time, psychology. ideology loses to psychology. that's why politicians say things like i feel your pain.

bill clinton. you know, i hear you, but -- ronald reagan. you need to have that in your lexicon. i don't hear that from jeb bush. can't just dismiss your anger baffles me, i don't understand it, when you get over it, please, come to me. that doesn't work in any human relationship. that is my question, john, the psychology is what donald trump has. how does jeb bush get that? >> candidates either get it or they don't, chris, you grew one this your dad was one of the premiere -- >> lots of crazy psychology in my family. >> one of the premiere retail politicians in the country, somebody who knew how to go into a room and know it when mario cuomo was in a room, you felt it, we will bill clinton was in a room, you felt it, george bush was a great retail politician, whatever you think of that jeb lacks that, more like president obama, get the e-mails from the bush campaign for that one but more of a detached, thoughtful politician who sees nuance, sees great lakes, trump hawks black and white, you make a very key point. trump, right now, whatever you think about his arguments on the syrian crisis, trump has what he

wants, as long as there are 14 candidates in the race, he only needs 25, 26, 27%. what is he in right now? he is in a national debate with barack obama and hillary clinton, the two democrats republicans like the least. so, trump has what he wants right now heading into the voting season, a direct debate, put the policy part aside, the president of the united states is responding to trump, what he said yesterday, we must uphold our ideals. is criticizing trump every day. if you are a republican voter and don't like president obama and you don't like hillary clinton, you love that donald trump is taking it to them. jeb bush has to find a way to push trump aside, make that connection you're talking about and then explain his ideas, if he doesn't make that connection, the question, does the opening come without some sort of a page turning in jeb bush's personal connection to voters? >> john, thank you, have a great thanksgiving. >> thank you, guys. >> one of your gifts as a build castor, you connect with how people feel. >> go on. >> you should run. i would vote for you. i wouldn't, i know you personally. what do you think?

tweet us, use the #new day cnn or facebook.com/news day. >> part of your thanksgiving sort of -- >> yes. >> kinder, gentler. >> punched me right in the face is what you will do. >> no i will not. all right, more news for you, watching the situation in chicago, anger there sparked by dash cam video showing a police officer fatally shooting a black teenager, shooting 16 times. that officer is now charged with first-degree murder. we are going to speak to his attorney exclusively next.

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all right, this case in chicago of a 17-year-old getting shot up by police and dying on the scene is only growing in its intensity and the outrage from it. so we are going to talk now about what the fate is of officer john van dyke. he is 37 years old. he has been charged with first-degree murder. we just got the dash cam video of the actual incident. 16 shots, 15 seconds. what we don't know, what we need to know, is what was going through the officer's mind and maybe that will help us

understand why this has take an year before there were any charges at all. for that insight, exclusively this morning, daniel herbert, attorney for officer van dyke. thank you, sir, for taking the opportunity. what can you tell us about what officer van dyke says and believes was happening that night? >> well, first of all, i'm a little bit limiteds as to what i can speak to regarding what was going on with my client because of the pending case. however, i can indicate that the reason my client, jason, fired his weapon that evening back in october 2014 is that he truly was in fear for his life as well as the lives of his fellow police officers. >> when you see the video, it does not show any of the normal indications of threat that we have come to associate with deadly action by police. what do you see? >> well, i think i saw the same

thing that everyone else is seeing now. when i first saw it back almost a year ago, at first seeing it, it's -- difficult to explain. however, after watching it several times, and most importantly, getting the perspective of my client, that is when i came to the conclusion that his actions were justified. again, you have to look at what my client, jason, was experiencing at the time in which he fired his weapon. and at the time in which he had fired his weapon, he had already been made aware of the fact that this individual had been walking through the neighborhood and -- waving a knife, dawesed a disturbance at a couple of businesses, had stabbed the windshield of a squad car where police officers were involved, had popped the tire of a squad -- excuse me, popped the tire of a squad car where police officers were sitting in that

squad car, people had called for a taser, no taser was available, so at the point in which my client got there, this had been going on for i believe 18 minutes and when he jumped out of the car, the is subject made a motion which put my client in fear that this individual was perhaps going to attack him with a knife. >> the motion will be a question of fact. certainly not easy to see on the video, but that's part of your job is to make things clear that respect clear to everybody else, but the other officers did not act the same way. how does that hurt your analysis? >> i don't think it really plays into it too much. i mean, i know that it's -- that the prosecutors spoke to that fact and i know that the media has spoken to that fact, but quite frankly, i don't think it's a big issue because of

several reasons. nobody was in the perspective of my client. nobody was in the same position. >> they were right next to him. >> and -- correct, they were next to him, but there's many reasons why people don't fire. the less distance that somebody has, that's the reason or a factor that somebody will take into consideration about firing, the ability to have shielding is another consideration, the ability to retreat is another consideration, the prospect of crossfire is also another factor that comes into play. so, i agree that the video shows that these officers were in the same vicinity, but the video alone, it's not enough to make the determination that one officer's perspective was the same as my client's because video, no matter how clear it is, there are problems with

video. and most important, i think, is the fact that video, by its nature, is two dimensional and it distorts images so what appears to be clear on a video sometimes is not always that clear. >> well, what's clear in the video and off the video is that 16 shots in 15 seconds, the legal standard, as you well know, just for the audience is not to show that it was just a reasonable fear of serious injury by the officer but he is going to have to justify each one of those shots and he shoots him after he is on the ground, after he is no longer moving and after he reasonably cannot be considered a threat, at least to my mind. how are you going to deal with that? >> well, i'm going to explain it exactly the way science has explained it and various studies have explained it. a police officer with average skills with a fair arm can fire four to five shots in one second.

so, what we have in this case, we have two volleys of shots and then there is a pause in between the two volleys. the first volley was anywhere between 12 and 13 shots. that likely took three seconds or less. there is a pause, which my client -- he paused to reassess the situation, that is exactly what he was supposed to do that is exactly what he was trained to do. at that point, he saw the individual was on the ground, he made the decision he was going to approach this individual and eliminate the threat by getting the knife out of his hands and putting handcuffs on this individual. >> well, there's a reason -- there's a reason the videotape has sparked such outrage because it seems to show such a one-sided account, but obviously the process has two side, not a size conversation for you to have, not just because of the limitations of the ongoing case, but the subject matter itself

some, counsel, thank you for coming on and give must the per spec if the of the officer involved, if he makes a decision to talk about this, what's going on in his head from his first-person account will be very helpful. thank you, sir, for coming on "new day" much appreciate it. >> okay. thank you. >> michaela? all right, chris, the manhunt is expanding now for the eighth suspect in the paris attacks. police are trying to track down this man, another man who drove the suspect before the massacre. who is he? we are going to take a look next. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid.

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turkey and one of russia. russia here is the red line. i don't know if you can see this. on their screen, in their account, their fighter jet skirts just beneath the white line, which is the turkey border, the southern tip there. whereas turkey's account, the yellow line, it goes right over the turkish border there. if it went over there, reports are it did so for 30 seconds, was turkey right in shooting down that plane? >> you know, alisyn, that graphic is extremely helpful but not relevant in the larger discussion, whether turkey has a legitimate claim and ostensibly, it does that russia interfered with their airspace, let's just give them that. the fact remains is that turkey should not have taken this aggressive action, irrespective of the fact as a matter of routine, russia is incredibly provocative with its military forces, we have seen that in our

recent past, primarily in crimea and they poked neighbors and western powers and nato in the i'm >> why shouldn't turkey have taken -- >> certainly give turkey the legal authority to do that but we are talking well beyond legal authorities. what turkey needs to realize there san escalation that would occur. again, turkey and russia have been -- they have been enemies there's been animosity, vitriol for the last multiple centuries. the fact remains turkey is a member of nato, certainly got a legal right, should have acted with a little bit more discretion and discipline and not shot it down and then the details of what the at todd of the russian aircraft was, was it an attack posture was it really threatening or was it simply violating the airspace of turkey? and if the united states or other partners had, as a matter of routine, shot down or engaged russian aircraft, we'd have walls lined with russian aircraft that had been shot down because they were provocative.

>> quickly, spider, russia now says it is deploying a missile defense system to syria as a result. what now? >> well, russia would -- i would tell you that the base that russia has in syria probably already has air defense cape budgets inherent, located already deployed there, they are now just announcing that. that's my view. you don't send any forces into any location geographically without providing a three-dimensional protection and that includes a dome over the top so that all their forces on the ground are prepared for anything that might be hostile coming from the air down or from ground to ground type attack. for russia to say that, it's great. i think that's an acknowledgment of what they already have in place and a logical step for them to do but the big issue is what we call a concentrated purpose, unity of effort against a common enemy, right now, we have got russia doing it is own thing and nato powers and certainly the coalition doing its own thing, trying to go against isis and going against anti-assad forces. >> okay, paul, let's move on to the latest developments in paris

because there are many. we now know more about what the so-called ringleader of the attacks was doing the night of the attack. what do his cell phone records reveal? >> well, alison, revealed he went back to the scene of the crime in the aftermath of the attacks, he went back to the tenth, 11th, 12th aron deesment, he wanted to go back there for propaganda purposes, isis drill nothing their recruits the need to film everything for propaganda. that plot thwarted in belgium where he was the ringleader, police found gopro cameras in that plot, so quite possible that he was perhaps trying to film this and send the video over to isis. >> and what about the reports that there was was something even bigger planned, an attack on the financial district planned? >> yeah, the paris prosecutor

revealing yesterday that abdelhamid abaaoud and that other man inside the safe house in saint-denis, blew himself up during the raid, at least those two, were prepare a major attack, a suicide attack on the la defense area of paris, which is an area where you have high-end shopping malls, bringing up the possibility that they were planning a west gate-style mall attack, remember that mall attack in nairobi from al shabaab in 2013, on a high-end paris mall, with the world's media all in paris to see, this the sort of second wave attack being mapped. and fortunately, they got information leading them to the safe house, otherwise, i think this could have totally traumatized france. >> absolutely. paul kruk shank, thank you so much for all the latest information, spider marks, thank you for the analysis. happy thanksgiving, we will talk more. >> happy thanksgiving to you.

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russian officials now saying turkey's shooting down of the jet was a planned provocation but they are not willing to go to war. here to discuss all of this cnn chief international correspondent christiane amanpour. so many new developments. it is believed this is the first time a nato country has shot down a russian plane. >> yeah the statistic was it is the first time since 1952 that a russian or soviet jet has had this kind of engagement. >> significant. >> it is significant. equal significance is the fact that neither side wants to escalate and that was the message out of the meeting yesterday. >> that's good. >> very good. obviously the russians are putting out noise they are moving missiles and defense but

they have them in syria already frankly. that was the news before they even put the new troops on the ground and the new base that's led to all this. the question is how will russia respond really? most believe it doesn't want to go to war with nato, which is what it would be. however the former u.s. ambassador tweeted, i'm paraphrasing russia will respond somehow. so it's already started ramping up bombing according to reports from the ground of those anti assad forces. so maybe that is what is it is going to try to do. maybe just try to blit rate all the forces the u.s. and others are trying to support there. >> that is the problem. we seem to feel that the big foe is isis. but this pull our eyes from the ball because this is a

distraction. a the important one to pay attention to. >> here is the problem. while everyone gives lip service to isis, most of the coalition does believe isis is the target to be defeated right now. russia believes that actually the main thing is to keep assad in power and defeat others. and also turkey believes that assad has to be defeated because otherwise isis won't be defeated. one of the most interesting push backs by hollande and obama yesterday was that they reject his claim that if you just help assad his forces will be liberated to help fight isis. that is not happening. they are gathering to support himself. and the idea that everybody thinks let's get russia on board and we can fight isis.

as yet russia hasn't really been front and center. >> we have two coalitions. the -- >> that is very problematic and with different objectives. and everybody whom we've been talking to since the paris attacks and since have said first and foremost we have to have one strategy. and right now we have two and maybe two and a half three strategies. >> and so it is a real problem. >> so that is the conversations happening now with world leaders. president hollande has already met with obama. we know he is set to meet with others and is specifically, perhaps one of the most interesting and important ones is meeting with vladimir putin. so here, is he going to try to make the case for namty in this case? or is that a lost cause? >> well it mustn't be a lost cause because otherwise nothing is going to get done. what you heard yesterday was that, quote, russia is the outlier. russia and iran and assad, and

the jiets and all the others trying to, you know, lead their own coalition. so you probably, the readout probably will be that hollande will tell russia that we have to act in concert. we have to get this thing done together. but, you know, they don't believe in the word "coalition" because russia is not nato and they have such a different view of the situation on the ground. but yeah, the fact that there are many objectives going on. i will say what is interesting. you heard president hollande going many much more in detail than president obama. he basically said we have to step up targets. specifically our priority is to deny isis the territory they have to systematically take away the territory. but he also started talking about closing the syria/turkey border. so a lot of people who i'm talking to and quite a few former nato officials believe there needs to be a know-fly zone over that border to make

sure that doesn't become a place of conflict and try to allow local forces and civilians to then fight on the ground in syria. >> there are certainly several high level meetings. we'll watch and get your nanls going forward. thank you. a lot of news to get to. let's do it.

it's the day before thanksgiving. come on. get along. >> welcome. we do have breaking news. protesters taking to the streets overnight in chicago react together video of a white police officer shooting a black teen 16 times in 15 seconds. the officer now charged with first-degree murder. >> now that incident happened last year but we're just seeing the grizzly footage now. why did authorities take so long to release the video? stephanie elam is live with the latest. good morning. >> good morning alisyn. this video is from october 20, 2014. but a judge ruled that it needed to be released to the public by wednesday. it came out yesterday and now the world can see and judge for

themselves what happened here between this police officer and this 17-year-old. >> demonstrators converged on chicago streets by the hundreds, outraged over this graphic police dash cam video shows laquan mcdonald being shot by a single officer 16 times in october of last year. the disturbing footage shows mcdonald falling to the ground after being shot then hit multiple times while on the ground. >> the officer in this case took a young man's life. and he's going to have account for his actions. >> the 37-year-old officer jason van dyke is charged with first-degree murder and has been taken off the chicago police payroll. for now he's held without bond. van dyke's lawyer says his client feared for his life. >> it is truly not a murder case and we feel our client is going to be very successful. >> he allegedly used to slash

the tire of a police car. when mcdonald who had pcp in his system, police say, ignored orders to drop the nice was. >> -- before he started shooting. in addition to the fact that all evidence indicates he began shooting approximately 6 seconds after getting out of his vehicle. >> officials have been prepping for the release, calling for peaceful protests. late tuesday, dozens locked arms in solidarity, blocking off an intersection and interstate 94. officers made some arrests but tense moments between the crowd and police never escalated out of control. >> and those demonstrations did roll over into after midnight, early this morning here in chicago. this is no ferguson though.

it is a very different tone. one, the officer has already been charged and in custody. and the other is the city already settled with the family in april for some $5 million. making it a very different situation. one thing that remains the same here is protesters are talking about the need for a change between the way police interact with people of color. >> no question that when you get to see what actually happened it renews the dynamic. and in this case creates a lot of outrage. please stay on it for us. and have a happy thanksgiving. also this morning a top russian official says he has proof that turkey's decision to take down a russian fighter jet was a planned act. we've also learned russian -- we have cnn's becky anderson live in istanbul with details.

>> reporter: we don't have any more details on what sergey lavrov is describing as roof at this stage. but you are right to point out the russian defense ministry confirmed the second pilot is safe. and he's back in their base in syria, a russian air base in syria. we got exclusive video showing the wreckage as we learn more about the circumstances. this morning in a televised address the turkish prime minister has said that two planes breached turkish air space on tuesday. one left, the other remained despite repeated warnings and in an act of self defense turkey says it was shot down. that the jet was ever in turkish air space, still disputed by the russians. president putin describing the incident as a stab in the back. warning of serious consequences and accusing angora of spreading

terrorism. and going to so far as to accuse certain officials as direct financial interest relate to the oil from isis facilities. and barak obama suppressing u.s. and nato's right to defend its sovereignty. and perhaps when you consider russia is turkey's second largest trading partner. e depends on russia for 60% of national gas. russian tourism is enormously important. when the prime minister this morning said russia is our friend and neighbor you can understand perhaps the words. and i guess the whole point is that what we're seeing is a very messy situation in this horrible conflict in syria just getting more and more complicated. >> thank you for that.

we'll continue to watch. meanwhile we are learning the paris terror attacks could have been even worse. french police releasing new details, saying the organizer was killed in a raid just hours before he and another man were planning an attack in paris's financial district. clarissa ward has the details in paris. >> reporter: we learned some pretty shocking revelations about what the ring leader, the architect of these attacks, abdelhamid abaaoud did just after they took place. according to his cell phone signal, he actually returned to the scenes of three of these different attacks in the moments after those attacks. potentially he would have been outside the bataclan as riot police, as french authorities were pouring in to try to diffuse the situation. so certainly it seems like he

was emboldened. we also know he was reportedly talking constantly to one of the suicide bomber, two-year-old bilal hadfi, who blew himself up outside the stadium on the night of the attack. and we're also getting new information he was planning another attack, alongside a man yet to be identified. he was killed in that apartment last wednesday with abaaoud. reportedly the two were planning a major attack on a financial district here in paris. police saying that attack was planned for wednesday or thursday. so really getting the sense that they just got there in the nick of time. alisyn. >> incredible all the things the investigation is revealing. brussels is trying to get back to normal. schools reopening and metro service partially restored. this as belgian authorities have

issued an international warrant for a new paris suspect. surveillance shows him with another fugitive on the road to paris two days before the attacks. >> joining us is peter cooke. good to have you with us. let's talk about what happened in turkey. help me understand something. assume the russian jet was in turkish air space. assume they had the right to self defense. if so, proceed. given all of, that why isn't the u.s. being a little harder on turkey for taking the step of shooting a plane out of the sky. >> first of all this is a situation between turkey and russia specifically. and the most important thing right now is for deescalation of attentions between the countries. as the president reiterated and secretary carter reiterated nato -- turkey has a right to defend its air space.

there were two previous incursions which drew concern by the turks and a nato ally and concerns on the part of nato. and in this particular instance there were warnings there were issued, our understanding is. and the turks felt their air space had been violated and they took this action. again, something the turks identified some time ago as a real concern for them. something they had spoken to the russians about directly. and really this is a sign of the tensions along that border area. and concerns particularly about the russian flights in that part of syria and right along the border with turkey. >> what does the u.s. have to do now to assuage russia and get it involved in the coalition efforts given the that even though this just happened this is still about what we want to do with assad. >> there is still opportunity

here for the russians. and secretary of defense department expressed this weeks ago to his counterpart with the russian ministry of the defense. there is opportunity for russia to play a more constructive role and focus on isil at the same time use its significant influence on assad regime to push towards a diplomatic solution to the syrian civil war. there is an opportunity here. we'll wait to see if russia accepts that opportunity. but right now we still remain at odds effectively in our approach to the syrian problem. and until that is resolved, again, there is not going to be the most effective fight possible against isil. >> jeb bush says there is no clear plan to take out isis. connen attain mt is giving them opportunity to expand and the military has been handcuffed. >> the u.s. military and the rest of the coalition, 65 nations, chris remains very much

focused on the fight against isil. and you have seen adjustments in our strategy on the ground. you have seen steps forward with regard to sinjar, the area in northern iraq and up towards turkey where we've seen the iraqi kurdish, peshmerga forces deal isil a blow there. a critical supply line. you have seen progress on part of syrian forces taking al hall moving towards raqqah with the support of coalition air strikes as well as some ammunition provided, of course, by the coalition. and you have seen progress in other areas. are there going to be setbacks? are there still challenges? absolutely. but we're refining our approach, making it more effective, we're accelerating efforts and isil remains pressured on multiple fronts right now. and there is a reason chris that you all on cnn are having to show, if you show a convoy of isil forces with flags flying,

that is file footage. it is very dangerous right now to be a isil leader. and part is because of the effort overall. >> our job is to show what is happening. that is what we do. let me ask about the refugees. you are losing the battle of optics on this. the polls are against the administration position of allowing their admission. is it fair criticism to say you are failing to make the case? the majority of americans believe there is no vetting of syrian refugees and that is why they are afraid of the threat. why aren't you making the case of what the vetting in? this is one of the most onerous processes anybody goes through to get into the country. why are you losing the argument? >> my colleagues are taking the point on this. but you heard the president yesterday make the case that we can maintain security for the homeland and yet allow america to be a safe place for people who truly are in need and looking for a safe place to call home. there is a balancing act that

needs to be maintained here. and secretary carter remains confident in the interagency process and colleagues in the law enforcement community to do this safely and effectively without compromising america's moral compass if you will. >> i get it's curby with the state department and you are at the pentagon but the military and the this situation go hand in hand. we're afraid of isis. how are we afraid of them getting here? infiltrating refugees. and that goes to our preparedness for the threat the administration says. these people are not a threat yet the american people don't it what can we do about the disconnect? >> we've been focused on dealing in this issue of foreign fighters. significant concern for the department of defense, the government overall. the secretary met this week with interagency partners. secretary kerry, leaders are if

intelligence community all working on lines to defeat isil. and one of those lines of effort is dealing with the risk of foreign fighters. there are additional steps that need to be taken to try to address this issue. we've seen this happen in paris. our thoughts obviously go out to people in europe, particularly france after what's happened there. and more can be done. and you can approximabe sure th doing its part. >> thank you for answer questions. appreciate the conversation here on "new day" sir. >> you bet. happy thanksgiving. state of emergency declared in tunisia. no group has claimed responsibility. but the north african nation has been targeted by isis in the past. back in june you will recall 38 were killed when a isis gunman

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jeb bush laying out his plan in an interview last hour here on "new day." he did his best to dismiss donald trump at the front runner and he says his own time will con. he also drew a line between president obama and himself on military strategy. listen. >> first i'd ask the military commanders for options for a strategy to destroy isis. not to contain it.

because containment actually gives it energy to expand. we saw the tragedy in tunisia yesterday and other attacks in lebanon and other places that seemed to be isis or al qaeda inspired. we have to have a strategy. and the military needs to have their hands -- no longer hands tied behind their backs. which means the sorties need to be effective. 75% of the air strikes we undertake, which are far fewer from what existed in afghanistan for example, don't even drop their ordinances. because we don't have the intelligence on the ground and we have lawyers on on the of the air force. >> as you know the president sent 50 more advisors. so are you saying in order to be effective against isis that there should be more bootes on the ground to call in those air strikes is this. >> 50 special operators is 50 better than before but it is not a strategy. a strategy would be how to we mobilize support for the remnants of syrian free army. and it might require combat

troops to inspire an international effort. i would let the military leaders give them options instead of telling them what you want them to hear. being more effective in strikes as it relates to the air. this last week there was a convoy of stolen refined oil and diesel going to turkey to be sold. and they sent out fliers -- dropped fliers before they started striking to the truck drivers to tell them to abandon it because it may not have been isis sporters. may gosh. that is not o how you fight a war. you need to destroy their ability to garner money. tying the hands the way this administration has done shows this is a law enforcement exercise not a fight -- not a military fight. so we need to unleash the

military in unison with our partners in europe and the middle east to be effective in this regard. >> donald trump talked about muslim americans and he talked about their reaction after 9/11. he said that he saw them celebrating and cheering. do you believe that happened? >> no i don't. i don't believe it happened. i know many muslims that were just as angry and saddened by the attack on our country. i don't believe it. look, donald trump says these things to pray on peoples fears, their anger. their frustration with washington. he's quite effective at it. but he doesn't know what he's talking about. and he's not a serious leader. we're living in difficult times. we need serious leadership to be able to solve the problems we have domestically and lead america and lead the world. >> let's break it down.

s.e., what jumped out at you? >> i mean look, he is a sober but impassioned candidate who makes a lot of sense. but jeb bush as he discussed there refuses to tap into the anger of the republican electorate. and that is why you are seeing this disparity in his poll numbers even though he's a very convincing and able leader with great background. and while that may be admirable, the opposite, being the happy warrior isn't working either because he doesn't seem all that happy. he doesn't seem to be loving where he is. he seems like this is kind of an unexpected drag that he's had to put in this kind of time and effort to get to where he thinks he's going to get eventually.

and i don't think that's engaging voters either. >> they say psychology beats ideology. and that's trump's advantage certainly. he's playing to how people feel. one of the things jeb bush did well in this interview, is he went at president obama in a way that i think is going to be certainly the main angle of attack in the general. which is, this man does not show the will to win. he does not show the will to fight. that is why the isis battle is out of control. how do you combat that is this. >> well first of all i think the republican party has kind of a gold lox problem. donald trump, too hot minded and bush too low minded and it's hard finding something just right. that is their basic problem. with bush, definitely high minded. you have to give him credit for sticking up for the muslim

community in this country against donald trump. that's great. what he said about our strategy in the military is just factually wrong. the president is being advised every day by the top military minds on earth. you have a messy situation over there. i don't know if he wants to be the guy selling more boots on the ground middle east, a bush trying to sell that, i don't know if that is a great move for him. >> that would be more of a cheap shot -- >> -- sticking up p for muslim americans. >> looking at the situation right now. >> also can i just add. there are reports that the intelligence coming to the obama administration is being doctored to please the obama narrative. so i think what jeb is rightly pointing out is that he would not hamstring the intelligence community and fit them into a narrative that pleases the administration. he would actually listen to the

advice and have options to actually go in and win and not just contain something that is not containable. >> i agree it's not containable but the last bush administration was hit with the same allegations of intelligence being doctored. part what happens is we do have a political system, a democracy, on top of our military. we don't have a military on top of the democracy. sometimes outside people look at that and say why are political considerations being considered. but that is what a democracy is. you have the democracy on top of the military and not the other way around. as i said before, one of the things you had under the last bush administration was the concern that that intelligence was being drd. the most important thing i can say -- being doctored. the most important thing i can say --.

and to me that came through again today. i think that is a good thing for the country. >> poll numbers, in particular this one. abc news washington post asked who is most likely to win the republican nomination? and trump gets 39% there. and then carson, then rubio. then jeb bush gets 6%. what he's told us, se was that he believes somewhere around february 1st his day will come and he'll be the man standing. what do you think of that calendar? >> well yeah, i've said this before. i've written this. safe money is actually still on jeb bush. and that is for better or worse. but what the republican party generally does, traditionally does is back a front runner years in advance. and they get this infrastructure set up that is actually very hard to penetrate once it is in place. and for all of the anxiety over

jeb bush's poll numbers, his donors aren't really fleeing just yet. so he can stick it out and wait for the field to whittle, which puts donald trump and ben carson in much more precarious positions and ultimately be the last sane choice for republicans in this primary. it is absolutely possible. and i think a lot of prognosticators would probably be caught flat footed for not having kind of just relaxed and waited. >> van jones, se, thank you both. happy thanksgiving. frustration in chicago after a video is released showing a white officer shooting a black teen 16 times. who took so long for that to be made public? where to community --

overnight protesters marched across chicago after police released dash cam footage

showing an officer shooting 17-year-old laquan mcdonald to death. this was in 2014 but the video was just released. that officer is now behind war bars, charged with first-degree murder. jediia, thank you for being wed was. tell what you were telling the protesters last night. >> be angry being effective, be constructive, not destructive. >> the police, the prosecutors office arrested this officer and charged him with murder. we haven't -- that is something different than what we've seen in some of these other incidents. so what are you calling for?

>> i'm calling for -- i mean it is a step in the right direction but there is so much more needed. this is not a situation or an incident. this is the reality. even with another video in processing of ronald johnson's shooting there needs to be major reform and transformation and culture of policing chicago. especially when it relates to the police and the african american community. there's been failed and in effective leadership across the board and we want to see -- we want to see our superintendent step down. and we definitely want answers and anita alvarez and there is no reason for this kid, and it took so long to get us where we are today.

>> beyond that how do you suggest the culture change is it. >> culture change? there needs to be more. we need officer friendlies back. we need the officers going back into the neighborhoods. and knowing the business owners, the residents. policing in america has to change. police claim to have the intelligence knowing who the troublemakers. well then we need to put preventative measures in place where they are given opportunities to not commit crimes and i think the police department could be more empowering instead of disarming and oppressive. and i think it should also foster a environment where officers can express themselves on the job and there is opportunity for both sides of the table. and the citizens are rebelling

because they feel the rules, no relationship. >> the washington post analyzed who is being shot by police. they looked at 2015 and the numbers might surprise you. here is what they found. there were 418 white people shot by police this past year. 224 blacks. 143 hispanics. now what's interesting is of course it's almost double. well the amount of whites shot is almost double that of blacks. proportionately to the population there are still many more blacks shot than whites. but still, the point is that it feels as though this is ubiquitous and happening everywhere but maybe it is just increased awareness. maybe there is just more media coverage over and it at the end of the day the numbers don't reflect that this is as big of a problem as we all think it is? >> the facts may say one thing but the truth in how things feel may look completely different. i don't necessarily isolate this

to a race issue. again i think that police and community relations need transformation and reformation across the board. >> you met twice with chicago mayor emmanuel what did he tell you? >> in the first meeting we told the mayor our does pleasure, what we know. we asked him to commit to ongoing conversations and looks like he may possibly consider a task force to address the police culture in chicago. and in the second meeting with clergy. the first meeting was with young activists and the second was with clergy and an informational session where he was giving them information and asking them to be agents of peace. that was a very tense meeting because the pastors felt they were not equipped in enough time and they wanted to make it clear they were not responsible if something happened other than peace. so the mayor, he definitely

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not much is known about what life is like for the syrian women who are forced to join isis. our next guest got access to three young women. "new york times" contributor and author of lipstick jihadi joins us now from london. really a pleasure. incredible story teling. you can find it in the "new york times" first of all how did you get access to these women? >> i was originally looking for british women. and i reached out to contacts in southern turkey and other parts of the region looking for any women who had been inside isis who could tell me about, you

know, the women who come from the west that go in inside. that is how i came across these women and discovered how extraordinary their experiences were and the story we don't hear about much at all. >> we don't at all. and the interesting thing was there was choice. terrible choice. they chose. joining what they call the organization as isis is known in raqqah. they chose as a means for survival for themselves and for their families. >> that are exactly right. in talking to them i came to understand how people of raqqah, unless they fled, it was very, very difficult to get by even, you know, without in some way collaborating or coming to some kind of accommodation with the organization with isis. money was scarce. even basic services. taxes. if you could imagine what it is like if a mafia has a complete stranglehold over a town.

that is life in raqqah for them. >> their lives changed so dramatically, drastically, as though this dark oppressive cloud moved in, in a city that they loved of raqqah. these were worldly. these were universally educated, independent women. >> absolutely. and i think that is the really chilling kind of backdrop to this story is exactly. they were progressive. two of them didn't even cover their hair before isis. they read the novels of dan brown. they listened to music. they were on facebook. they would sit in parks and coffee shops in the evening, mix group, men and women together. and everything in their lives changed. not only conflict deprivation and oppression but their identity, who they were in the world was reshaped. >> reshaped partly because they were married off to isis

fighters. two of those men ended up dying as suicide bombers. but what is very interesting is in your conversation with them, these women had affection, even though they did not align with isis ideology. and they speak freely about the fact that they felt affection, almost even love for their husbands they were married off to. what a juxtaposition. >> it was. it was startling to hear that. the imagination, the way we conceive isis is monstrous and what what they do is monstrous. but i think their experiences help us see that this organization is filled with people who do not subscribe to all aspects of its ideology. who are human beings in the end. and in the case of these women, you know, ended up having to make compromises and choices in order to survive. but, you know, within that they still wanted to have love and a

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