maybe they had prior military training and maybe they were in the military and took a long time planning this and going out and training. this could still be that type of event. >> bobby, thank you so much, thanks to all of you. this is the press conference going to begin any second. let's hand it off to "ac 360" and anderson. good evening, everybody. as you see, we are awaiting a press conference now from police officials to get the latest information because there have been a lot of conflicting reports in a very fast-moving situation. what may be the deadliest mass shooting since sandy hook. we know it is according to police. massive police presence in san bernardino, california, south of the airport. we are waiting to hear from authorities expected to brief reporters at any moment. here is what we know right now. one or more suspects is down, possibly dead after a chase and a shootout that reportedly included suspects armed with

assault rifles tossing pipe bombs. there is a black suv riddled with bullet holes and police going door to door looking for one of three killers that walked into a social services complex. the inland regional center and opened fire. at least 14 people were killed. 17 hurt. some of them we're told badly wounded and all early reports of very fluid stories and as you're waiting for the press conference, we're going to bring that to you live. what we're interested in trying to learn is exactly how many suspects were involved in the shooting. is it just the two who are both believed to be down? one was seen dead on live television several feet away from an suv or dozens of feet away from an suv riddled with bullet holes. local media reporting on the scene and helicopter pilot reporting they could see another body in the backseat in that vehicle that was shot up with bullet holes.

we have not been able to confirm that although police have not -- they have said the second person has been engaged. they didn't say that second person was killed or the status of that second person but we believe there may have been a second suspect inside that vehicle which you see right there. now the question of course is was there in fact a third shooter involved in this and if there was, where is that person now? we've seen door to door searching and door to door searching going on in communities around there. there is a heavy police presence and again, we're waiting of a police news conference because frankly, the last one that occurred about an hour ago, the officer had just promised to give a press conference. there was really not -- she didn't have a lot of facts or information to give out and said at this press conference she believes there will be a lot more detail. this you earlier, some of the move thes of law enforcement. these are not live pictures you're seeing some of just the

intense police response, multiple different agencies responding over the last several hours. this is an on going situation. kyung lah is on the scene and joins us as we're awaiting the press conference. bring us up to date on what you know now. >> reporter: we have spoken to the police sergeant, the highest ranking officer here speaking to the media basically trying to keep us updated until the police chief arrives. she is hoping that he's going to have some significant details to tell us. what she can tell us for now is that this, this active scene that you are seeing as night falls here in san bernardino is that it began as quote followup work after this scene that the officer approached this vehicle. gunfire was exchanged between this one officer and the suspects and i use the word suspects because that is the plural that the police chief

tweeted out. the suspects fired, the officer was wounded and taken to the hospital. his injuries are not life threatening. as far as the suspects, the police chief tweeting that the suspects are down. as far as a manhunt, there is a very active, very dangerous manhunt going on right now. what the police sergeant is telling us is that officers are going door to door. this is a residential area. this is a populated area. they are concerned because there are also businesses nearby. they are not sure if any of these suspects might dive into one of these residences or one of these businesses and that's what they are concerned about. as night falls, it becomes extremely dangerous. what the sergeant is issuing for the public that lives here in san bernardino in this proximate one-mile radius, stay indoors. they do not know what is going to happen in this particular area and grow more concerned as the night falls, anderson.

>> this idea of there being a third gunman, where does that come from? is that based on eyewitness reports from the scene of the initial shooting? >> you have it right. eyewitness reports in the initial shooting. the police heard from people -- >> reporter: yes? >> we should caution with eyewitness reports from an initial shooting often there are reports of multiple shooters or three shooters or more and very often those reports do not turn out to be accurate. so what's really critical it seems is the interview with the police officer who was wounded because that officer actually had eyes on the vehicle, had eyes on the suspects and according to the police tweet, they tweeted they did talk about suspects plural so we believe there were at least two and those two have been engaged and most likely one of them is dead. the status of the other not clear but believed to be in the -- was in the vehicle. it's not clear and police are

not saying yet and they may say -- they may clarify at this press conference but we don't know for a fact there is a third suspect, correct? >> reporter: you're absolutely right. when the police chief announced there were three suspects, he cautioned everyone in front of the cameras saying initially these eyewitness reports a lot of people may have seen things that weren't really there. that is really what does happen when there is such a high level of panic and so much adrenaline going on. the police chief cautioning people, we believe there are three suspects but as you point out that very well could change. we can tell you if there are at least two suspects down, there still does remain an active search. whether going on the eyewitness reports or they believe they have eyes on a third one, they are looking through this neighborhood, looking for something. >> and obviously kyung, as night

falls, it gets even more police house to house neighborhoods walking through. >> reporter: we're talking about suspects who came here, who looked as if they certainly had a plan and they were carrying long guns. we don't know exactly what type of bullets they were using. we don't know what type of protection the police need as they have less and less light to try to walk through these neighborhoods. put yourself in the situation. it's incredibly dangerous. that's really what is the law enforcement concern as night falls here and anderson, one thing we should point out is that there is a secondary scene. the initial scene behind me about a block away, they are still combing through the building and still working to try to piece together what happened, why it happened and

that there are 14 people who were killed in this initial shooting, 17 people who are wounded. >> yeah. stick around. stay with us. i want to bring in deborah feyerick working her sources and brought us news. bring us up to date. >> what we do know, anderson, there were two men found in the vehicle, one of them is dead. unclear the status of the second man. both of them were found to have ar-15-type weapons and as police chased the vehicle, sources telling me that items were thrown from the car as the shootout ensued. one thing appears to be a pipe bomb. he is being questioned because he had eyes on the vehicle and knows how many people were inside. he was injured but he seems to be in good condition. we're told, anderson, that a

search in the red land area could involve the home of one of the possible suspects. the authorities know of two individuals both of them at the car and a third being sought. this is what they are looking for. >> the fact they found a vehicle, whether rented or belongs to a suspect, that even if they don't have identification on them, even if they are not able to immediately get fingerprint analysis from the bodies of the one suspect we know is dead or some other identifying mark to identify him, tracing that vehicle can bring them very quickly immediately to the home or the last-known location of that person. >> that's exactly right, anderson. we saw a little of this back in the paris attacks two weeks ago. this is not to say this is that kind of attack. right now a lot of federal authorities are pushing back and saying that everybody is investigating this, but yes, that, all that will yield clues.

who rented the vehicle, where the vehicle is from, when it was rented, the identity of the driver, the identity whether there were any other people registered to the vehicle. they will look at identifiers on the body, the known body that is dead along with closer to the people they are trying to get and the motive and this is -- chances are people will start claiming credit for this or at least they are going to be praising the attacks. that is a propaganda tool but again, federal authorities sort of saying right now they are really in the thick of the investigation and don't know. but that is a big sign and clearly, even looking at the pipe bombs that's going to be big, as well. >> we've been focussing on how this engagement began.

the second shooter's status unknown. we don't know if there is a shi third shooter out there. the fbi that investigated 15 years of shooter attacks in the country, more than 160 attacks, i think, if my memory serves me correct on the fbi report, there has only been maybe two or three that have involved multiple active shooters. >> well, exactly. the fbi and the justice department has been working aggressively to uncover different threads and plots and there was a plot uncovered in the new york, new jersey area over the summer, just before july 4th there was effectively a big roundup of a number of people who had links or who authorities were concerned could potentially act out and so the whole concept of multiples, you know, this is how individuals get strength. they find strength in sort of the commonality, find something they believe in together,

finding a reason to carry out some sort of a hateful attack. so you're right, but they are looking at this very closely. one other thing anderson that i can tell you and that is you may see a bear cat was brought in one of the big heavy armored vehicles and i am told by the source that the body of the dead person was indeed checked for explosives and that was one of the things they were very concerned about. clearly lessons learned from previous attacks, anderson. >> deb, i'm going to ask you this and i'm not sure if you know more about this information, if you don't, i'll check with kyung lah to see if she does. the target, what we believe to have been the target of the attack and we know the facility but there was a conference center within the facility that often would be booked by outside groups. do we know exactly who the group was who was having a meeting or some sort of function at the that conference center at the time? because it seems like most of the fatalities, if not all occurred within that area.

>> well, it was a government building. it was rented out. i do believe they know the group that was using that facility at the time but it's one of the groups you would not think these people would be a target of some sort of an attack like this. so that is obviously one of the things they are looking into, was this specific to the group of people? >> but was it local government officials or was it a private group? do we know? >> no, my understanding and you should check with kyung lah but my understanding is that it was sort of a government building with different public officials just having some sort of holiday celebration. >> okay. >> but they are looking that the and again, the soft target is the question right now and that is something that officials, anderson, you know have feared since 9/11. >> right. >> that attackers would go after the easiest targets and it doesn't matter who, it doesn't matter where. the objective of different kind

of groups -- >> let me go -- >> go after vulnerability. >> let me go to kyung. do you know about the group meeting which appears to have been targeted because obviously, that is something law enforcement is looking at to see if there is a judge these people had against somebody in the group or there have been active shooter cases i remember one i think down in florida where a gunman went into a local city counsel meeting and started shooting at people on the city counsel because he had some sort of belief they had done him or his family wrong. do we know what group this was meeting, kyung? >> what we do know is that this was definitely not the building owner, which is a company that helps the developmentally disabled and have an auditorium and rent that to the county. the best description we could get as of right now, anderson, it was rented to county personnel. county personnel they were having the holiday celebration. that's the very best description

that we have as of yet. >> i'm sorry, could you repeat that? it was rented to county what? >> personnel. personnel. people who work for the county. >> okay. kyung, thank you. i want to bring in lenny depaul that headed the u.s. marshal task force from new jersey and new york and fbi director chris and also joining us and cnn law enforcement analyst art roderick and former assistant director of the u.s. marshal service and former nypd detective. harry, in terms of what you see from law enforcement movement on the ground, obviously with night falls, danger increases and difficulty. >> it's clear the police have a good reason to believe that there is a third person. that's why there were so many police officers out there. now, i'm sure they questioned that officer first engaged the shooters and he would probably be able to be the best to tell them whether or not there were two people or three people in the vehicle. >> because he saw the vehicle.

>> and engaged them. so when you see the police officers making moves like, you're seeing hundreds of police officers coming into the area. this is an astounding amount of police. you have the area you have to cover and know darkness is coming soon and want to clear this area. if that third shooter, if he does exist and in that area, they want to get him before dark comes. >> okay. >> it will make it hard. >> i want to hold the panel for a second and i want to bring someone caught in the middle of the shootout. david is a reporter and joins us by phone. david, i understand -- well, explain where you were and what you saw. >> okay. i was at -- there was a community center where family members were waiting to meet up with loved ones and i was interviewing some families there and then i got a tip that there was a sighting of the suv in a different part of town and i went driving towards there and i

saw three or four police cars and lifeflight go on san bernardino avenue and i followed them and as i was following them, i heard a thunderous sound and there were these strange noises and i didn't know what it was. looking through there and a whipping sound and i pulled over and got out of the car, grabbed my camera and i could see some police officers ahead of me and i didn't hear any shooting and

an outbreak of thunderous sound and police officers told me to get down and guns drawn, and waves and waves of police officers were comeing from behid me and it was kind of spore rad and fire up. i managed to cross the street and got into a front yard and hid behind a brick wall. it was really silent but police all over the place with guns drawn and agitated and then at one point a police officer saw me behind the blocked wall and approached me with guns drawn and i had literally got caught up in this and he with drew his gun and told me to get out of there and a family took me in and they waited it out in the

yard and police finally came about a half hour later came and said they are getting ready to detonate a bomb they found and asked the family members to get inside and realized i was a journalist so escortied me out. >> this was at the location of the suv, correct? >> yes, i did not see the suv. i did not see the shooters or any of that. i -- it was a situation with a lot of gunfire and the shooting went on for a ten-minute period i would say and got quiet again. >> did you say -- >> i didn't see it all. i never had a point of view of them. >> did you say you heard shooting while you were driving as well? >> yeah, yeah, that's how the whole -- that's when i realized something was going on. i was actually driving about 30 miles per hour and hearing a whipping sound sling by the car and i found out later that where

i was, the initial engagement occurred and apparently there was from what neighbors told me, eyewitnesss told me they saw shootings going down as they were going down the street. so i don't know how accurate that is but it is with what i saw. >> i'm trying to zero in. the shooting you heard while you were driving, how far away were you from the location you eventually ended up at? >> about a block. >> okay. so that shooting went on from the first time you heard it was about a block away from where it actually -- you ended up? >> yeah, yeah. >> so the suv and police were still on the move when those shots were being fired.

>> the gun battle appeared to be going down the street. >> okay. and then how far away from the suv were you when you actually got out of your vehicle and were hiding behind a structure? >> i don't know. there was a black suv right where i was hiding and it was just stopped in the street and i never was concerned that was the suspect's vehicle or another vehicle that looked like it. it could have very well been but i don't know for sure. so -- >> but you didn't see an suv. >> the police from my point of view were looking in yards on the north side of the road so it appears the suspect got out of the vehicles and police were going in looking in the homes on the north side of the street. i took refuge on the south side of the street the whole time. >> when you were out of your

vehicle and you heard shots being fired, was it your impression again you may not know the answer to this, was it your impression there was incoming fire or fire mostly out going from police towards the suspects? >> i don't know which way it was going. that was a scary thing about it. i could see police up front and they were engaged in shooting but i couldn't tell which police were shooting and which were not. it seemed as though waves of police were just arriving behind me and running ahead of me with guns drawn. guns of, you know, some had handguns, others had assault rifles and they were all different uniforms of -- i recognized the police, san bernardino county sheriff's deputies as well as california highway patrol and i think i saw a colton police, colton is the neighboring city of san bernardino. >> right. david, david, listen, i

appreciate you telling us what you saw. quite a dramatic day for you. david is a reporter with "the press enterprise." thank you very much. we're back with the panel, lenny depaul, chris, art roderick and harry. what are you most interested in learning in terms of the details you heard that stand out to you and what do you need to know? >> the key part is there is a third suspect there is more police activity somewhere, not quite sure what that means. they would be following up on leads of the two individuals or one individual they have on the ground there that they had taken out earlier but motive is going to be the key here. if there is two or three individuals involved in this, what is their motive? criminal which we heard from pamela brown, criminal or dem me -- domestic terrorism. it's easy to have two or three shooters involved in this type of activity without some reason

for doing it. >> chris, how much preparation do you think an attack like this needs to have or would have had? >> well, you know, we don't know the details of the attack but you can tell by the equipment they were carrying and the way they pulled this off that this had to have -- they had to have military training or train themselves, had access to assault weapons, possibly explosives and it has the hallmarks of a terrorist act. we'll have to find out. this is going to take couple hours here to unravel what we got on our hands here right now. >> it's also interesting, chris, if they had pipe bombs in the vehicle, does that mean -- was that part of the get away plan or were there other targets they planned to hit? did they want to hit multiple targets to create multiple havoc or specific other targets, again, this we don't know at this point but that's something that certainly raises questions the fact they had weaponry that

they were using in the escape that they could have used elsewhere. >> yeah, i heard a theory earlier that there may have been a second attack planned or multiple attacks planned. they stayed in the area. the pipe bombs, the fact that they are not going to get taken alive. they obviously nobody made an attempt to surrender so i think there is a strong possibility that there were other attacks planned, either today or sometime in the near future. >> pamela brown reported and a source said the current belief is this a form of domestic terrorism or criminal based on what we know so far and early reports there is probably more we don't know than we do know. does that make sense to you? >> the criminal aspect doesn't. what do they get out of this? there was possibly some people from the department of public health from the state of california holding this conference there. that seems to be kind of an odd

target for them unless there was something domestically involved but you got two or three shooters here. it's a very strange scenario for this to be criminal when you've got this type of planning involved, high powered weapons, body armor and then a plan to escape. and that's the key part. they only spent a certain amount of time in the conference room and got out. >> dan is joining us and with the u.s. secret service. dan, again, we don't know if there is a third gunman what is on the loose. obviously the police are searching for that person now. if in fact he does exist, do you think, dan, at this stage in the investigation because it seems like there is a lot of confusion. we were told there would be a press conference 45 minutes ago that hasn't occurred. they are clearly trying to gather information so they can get that out to the public and want to get not only accurate information but find out if in

fact there is a third shooter to be able to tell people if they still need to be, you know, wary and hunker down in their homes. what do you make of what you've seen so far? >> right, exactly. it's not a crime scene situation so the crime is in fact stopped and you summed it up nicely. they want to ensure the attack is over so we don't know right now with this third gunman. we don't know that it's three gunmen. the information out there and reported in the media right now is sparse. is this a larger network? nobody knows. so this crime has to be reverse engineered when the crime actually stops and it goes into the crime scene investigation component to find out that this is hopefully just three and not part of a larger group. we don't know that yet.

>> right. chris, i mean, that's a good point. are there confederates still out there who helped rent a vehicle, who helped rent a house and get weapons and helped previsit the location? we don't know. >> not to make a premature comparison to paris but the actual attack was conducted by small set of individuals but they were obviously aided and abedded by many others. we don't know that yet. we ought to get terminology straight. because it happened domestically doesn't make it domestic terrorism. 9/11 was an attack on american soil. if it is internationally inspired or international facilitation, that turns it into international terrorism. we have to keep an open mind on that. >> good point. we have no idea at this point.

>> what is strange is the fact that, you know, why were they still in town? and the only reason i can come up with, there would be a second attack. now when they had the chance to attack a second location when the police were over at the other location for hours, right, and now they finally get spotted, so what was going through their minds? did something happen they couldn't make the second attack? all right? and why were they driving around town in the vehicle when they knew the police were looking for the vehicle? it's really strange to me whether or not there was going to be a second attack or did they want to finally confront the police. >> we should point out, you see somebody at the podium, the press conference has not begun. we'll bring it to you as soon as they begin. right now they are giving names of various officials. lenny depaul, i may have to interrupt you for the press conference. to the point of why would they be in the area, one key thing is how they actually got engaged by

that officer who ended up being wounded, how that officer found that vehicle, was brought to that area and what they were doing in the area. >> well, that certainly is what is going through law enforcement's mind. why were they in the area. why did the three of them stay together in that target vehicle? they hit this place quick. methodical, got in there, did a lot of damage, got out. law enforcement, thank god, responded quickly but they stayed together. they were two miles from the target. what was on their minds? hopefully there is answers between witnesses and the police officer that confronted the vehicle and maybe there is witnesses that have some sort of intel but that's the million dollar question. >> does that surprise you that they are two miles from the original location, does it surprise you given what you know about how either fugitives operate or people doing multiple attacks to operate?

>> it's scary and surprises me. what was their motive and mo? if there was three again, we don't know. i'm sure we'll find out soon but, you know, they hit this first target quick. we don't know why or what their plans were there. stayed in the area couple miles from the original target. apparently they are pretty well armed with ar-15s and a lot of ammunition. what was their mind set and next move? nobody knows that. with two of them down from what i hear and the third one running around and report anything to the police and hear anything, see anything, dark, it's getting dark there so that certainly is going to be a problem, also. they will bring the appropriate assets which i'll sure they have already with aviation support, night vision, whatever they need. >> chris, police forces around the country are retraining for active shooter situations, new york city police retrained all 35,000 officers, washington d.c.

police and i believe the lapd and not sure about san bernardino but lapd has gone through active shooter drills and drilling for multiple active shooter attacks in multiple locations. >> true. i think the larger departments have been drilling this nypd obviously in the forefront. tactics have changed. back in the days of columbine they would have formed a perimeter in a situation with an active shooter and deliberately did a slow and deliberate entry. now they are training for a dynamic engagement with the shooter. i'm not sure that the smaller departments have this much training and not so sure the first responders, ones most likely to encounter scenarios like this get as much training as we think. the swat team obviously yes but not the ones that are out in the patrol car each day. the ones most likely to pull up on a scene like this so i don't think there is as much training as many people thing. >> agas we're awaiting this pre

conference and i think it will be important and that's why we want to bring it to you live when it starts, we have cnn's scott glover reporter who has new information about search activity. scott, what down? >> anderson, i'm in redlands california, not too far from san bernardino where the police are serving a search warrant in a building that a police p.i. confirmed linked to. there is heavy police presence out here for the past couple hours and a large armored swat vehicle. there are officers in military fatigues and i counted a couple doz dozen. >> you don't happen to know whether this was the suspect who was seen dead on the street or

the suspect whose believed to have been in that suv for a potential third suspect, do we know? >> i do not know anything more than it's linked to today's activities, not to, you know, a particular which suspect it might be. again, a lot of police out here apparently a lot of interest but i don't know which suspects. >> okay. scott, do you happen to know the building that you said it's an apartment building. do you know if you may have gotten there and don't know but do you know is it a rental apartment or is it owner owned condo co-op? do we know? >> it appears to be rental apartments. i was out here fairly early on. the police presence quadrupled. we've been pushed back and i can't really say that much about it other than it appears from my vantage point that it's, you know, just kind of a apartment

complex. >> scott glover, appreciate it. we'll continue to gather information and check in with you throughout the evening. we're still here with our panel. dan, in terms of of -- looks like the press conference is just getting started so let's actually just go over to the press conference as we -- oh, okay. i'm told it's not starting yet. they are getting situated. dan, does it surprise you, dan, that this suv had time to leave the area and didn't? >> my best guess is columbine -- >> dan, sorry, got to jump in here, let's listen. >> good evening, folks, this is the second official press conference we'll do on this.

i'm not going to go through all of the details we went through in the first press conference but i will say this, since that time, we are still working on the building here at the inland regional center. as officers were searching the building we mentioned there was some suspicious devices. one of the devices is believed to be a device that needs a slow approach to process the building and render that safe. i imagine we'll be here for several hours. on the investigative side, we followed up on tips. that took us to a residence in the city of red lands. when officers set up on the residence to watch it, there was a vehicle seen leaving that was suspected of possibly being involved. there ended up being a pursuit of the vehicle and that pursuit came back to san bernardino

avenue between mountain view and richardson here in the city of san bernardino where the suspect vehicle stopped and there was an officer-involved shooting. we had multiple officers involved in the shooting. we have two suspects that are dead at the scene, one is a male, one is a female. we had one police officer that was wounded. he has injuries that are not considered to be life threatening and he is at a local hospital and expected to be okay. of the suspects that were, that are dead at the scene, one is a male, one is a female. they were dressed in kind of assault-style clothing, i think is probably the best way to term it. they were both armed with assault rifles. they were both armed with handguns, and there is also kind of some sensitive stuff around the vehicle that they are not real sure and taking a very cautious approach to dealing with the vehicle in case there is more explosives there. with that, i'm going to turn it over to dave with the fbi to

talk about sop parts of the investigatio investigation. >> thank you, chief. first off -- >> close to the mic please. >> i'm the assistant director in charge of the fbi here in the los angeles field office. >> spell that. >> bowdich. first off, we want to extend our true sadness to the families of the victims. there are many, many victims who were involved here, some are obviously deceased. others are wounded and being treated as we speak. this is truly a tragedy in our country, and we will continue to apply all the resources necessary to assure that both us, the sheriff's department, the san bernardino police department as well as the atf work this thing together to assure that we have chased down every lead to solve this case. secondly, we are bringing in fbi

resources. we have agents on a house in red lands california now, we do not know the contents of this house but previous active shooter incidents have shown us there are times when devices are left behind. we have no indications there are devices to my knowledge but we certainly are going to proceed very cautiously into that house to preserve life and limb of our employees. we're bringing evidence response teams in to work hand and hand with the state and local partners on the officer-involved shooting scenes, as well as the scene here where we have multiple victims, as well as the house. we will continue to go down this road this say marathon, not a sprint. i know one of the big questions that will come up repeatedly is this terrorism? i am still not willing to say that we know that for sure. we are definitely making some

movements that it is a possibility. we are making some adjustments to the investigation. it is a possibility. but we don't know that yet. and we're not willing to go down that road yet. >> david, the relationship between the two dead suspects? >> unknown at this point. >> how old approximately are they? >> i do not even know that. >> what about the third suspect, there was talk of a third suspect. >> there is a third suspect and i don't know the disposition of that suspect. i would defer that question to the chief. what i will tell you on any indications of terrorism or this investigation and i told a few of you already, we will go where the evidence takes us. it's possible it goes down that road. it's also possible it does not. we're just not sure yet and when we are fairly sure, we will let you know. >> do you have a motive for this? >> is this possibly terrorism? >> there are a number of potentials and there is a few potential things but we just don't know and i'm not willing

to go down that road. this is a very fluid active investigatio investigations. we are still gathering some facts ourself because this scene is spread throughout the city into another city and incredibly fluid and that's the way these things -- we'll get there. >> the names of the deceased? >> any information about the identity of the third suspect, description, age, anything? >> so i should have included that when i talked a moment ago. we had an officer-involved shooting between mountain view and richardson. there were two people in the vehicle, both of those people are deceased. there was a third person that was seen running away, we do not know if they were involved. we have that person detained. i don't have information on who this person was yet and we don't know if they were involved. it's possible they were not. in addition to that and the reason we put things on social media and ask for people to shelter in place because there were folks that called in and had reported they heard folks,

they heard somebody jumping fences and they reported some of that activity in the neighborhood. we don't know if that was possibly responding officers but we took a cautious approach and locked down the neighborhood and asked people to shelter place and searched the neighborhood extensively. as of a couple minutes ago that search is wrapped up and no e a additional folks have been contacted there. we can lift the shelter in place order there. >> do you know why this location? >> we do not have a motive. >> proximate age of the suspects? >> i do not have that right now. >> keep in mind, keep in mind that i said that there were some things that were causing the officers to take a very, very cautious approach in approaching the suspects and so we just are not that far into the investigation yet. >> possibility these suspects might have had suicide vests or something similar? >> i don't know. i have not heard suicide vest, no. >> do you believe this situation is clear that people are safe?

are there still more shooters potentially out there? >> we feel confident about the neighborhood where the officer-involved shooting took place and secure that and there is nobody outstanding there. we're reasonably confident on that. on the broader scale of the investigation, we had information there were potentially three shooters. we're at a point where we are tracking down that information. we're going to try to continue to identify if there was a third person involved or potentially even more people that might have been involved in the planning but we're still pretty early on that part of the investigation. >> how about a holiday party -- >> i can't listen to all. >> there is a report at the holiday party somebody left angrily, went out and came back with two other people, guns and started firing, any truth to that? >> i have heard that they were in a meeting or holiday party type event at the inland regional center. somebody did leave, but we have no idea if that is the person that came back. >> so you -- that's a possibility then? >> somebody did leave.

there was some type of dispute or something when somebody left the party but we have no idea if those are the people that came back. >> any weapons recovered at the point of the shootout? you said long guns -- >> they were assault style weapons. >> that type of weapon yes. >> are there explosives near the black suv currently? >> there was a report they potentially threw a pipe bomb. we rendered that device safe. it was not an explosive. we're still working on the vehicle and making sure that is safe. >> can you give us anything on description of the suspects, their appearance or ethnicity, age? >> just the way it was described to me and i said this in the first press conference, they came dressed and equipped and i think the people that we have at the scene that are deceased are dressed in that way. they are dressed in dark kind of tactical gear, i think is the best way i'll put it. >> ethnicity, anything like that? >> i don't know. >> since you served the search

warrant, is it your understanding -- >> i didn't say we served a search warrant. >> we understand you served a search warrant, is it understood they were held up in the general area the whole time? >> there was information on the early part of the investigation as we started to develop information there was one particular focus area we went and there were a couple but there was one particular focus area we went to and it was one of the followup focus areas that led us to the house in redlands. >> did it appear they lived there? that their house? >> address was connected to the followup that we had. i don't know. i don't know who thes suspects are. >> do you believe the police killed the two people at the end. >> they were carrying assault style weapons. >> were they ak-47s. >> i don't know the specific model of the gun. >> the two people in the suv? >> two people in the suv, both

deceased. >> one male, one female while they were engaged in the gun battle with police officers, we had several officers that shot at them and into the vehicle. i don't know what bullets caused their death. >> the person in custody not sure of their involvement? >> we have a third person seen leaving the area. he is detained. we do not know the extent of his involvement, if any. [ overlapping speakers ] >> it was -- he was the person was detained very close to where the officer-involved shooting. >> was he wearing similar clothing. >> i don't know. >> there was an arrest -- >> there was somebody detained. we have not identified them yet. >> did that person have weapons on them, the third suspect detained, weapons located on that person? >> i don't have information. >> any words exchanged during the gunfire between the suspects and the police? >> i don't know. >> what is their nationality. >> i don't know. okay.

we'll try to do another press conference sometime around 8:30, 9:00. hopefully we'll have more information at that time. thank you. >> all right. so there you just heard the chief, you heard the fbi, we'll get reaction from the panel but if you're just joining us, i want to bring you up to date. two suspects dead, a male and female both involved with officer-involved shootings at that location where you saw the suv riddled with bullet holes killed in that location. the body of one was in the street and the other one believed to be in the vehicle itself. they are being very cautious about approaching that vehicle because of sensible what the chief called sensitive stuff around the vehicle itself. could not confirm the age. the relationship between the man and the woman and anything about their identities. said that a third person was seen running away from or leaving the scene the area where

that shooting occurred. they don't know if that person has any involvement in this. if you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and being questioned would not say, didn't know if the person had a weapon on them. some people called in reports of the sound of people, somebody jumping fences and people calling and hearing police officers jumping fences because as you heard from the reporter who was on the scene earlier david, as you saw the live pictures that area was swarming with police. they believe the search wrapped up and people have no longer shelter in place. i have to go back to the panel.

jonathan and dan, just to get a quick round to the key points for the panelist heard in the press conference, lenny depaul, let's start with you. what part is critical in this? >> i guess the good thing, anderson, the threat appears to be eliminated for now it is until nay do a lot of followup. having a male and female involved, the assistant special agent in charge with the fbi was going down that road with terrorism, which is scary in itself. there was a lot of preplanning. they were tactically sounded and dressed for the occasion and had good ammunition and weaponry involved. they have a lot of hole work to do and who knows what is waiting for them as this investigation continues. >> and lenny mentioned terrorism. the fbi official said the terrorism is a possibility that they are making adjustments to the investigation there is a few potential things that make them think sit a possibility but he would not go down that road, would not give out any more details and say they are still

gathering facts and the chief said somebody did leave. there was a dispute at the meeting in the inland regional center where there was a meeting or holiday party. in the clear the nature of the meeting for local officials or county personnel but that there was some sort of dispute, somebody left. it's not clear if the person is the person that came back shooting. let's just check in, harry what interested you the most. >> the third person. it would be easy to see what they did. the weapon inside the vehicle and there probably was a third person. the fact also that this dispute with this gentleman allegedly left and come back, this was too well planted for somebody getting mad at somebody and come back and shoot them. that disputes should go out --

>> evan perez has additional details from law enforcement sources. evan? >> anderson in regards to the question in the holiday event and ended up being the scene of the shooting, i'm told that law enforcement does believe it is related, it is the person who ended upcoming back with a couple of other people and then the shooting began inside this holiday event. now what are the explanations for that? there could be number of them including perhaps somebody wanted to make sure they knew whatever they were trying to target was in this room, perhaps, that could be it. again, this also could be -- it still could be a terrorism incident as the fbi assistant director there in los angeles said at the press conference. at this point, these are all the possibilities being explored but law enforcement at this point does believe the person that got into an argument in the event in the holiday event and then left

and then came back because of a beef they had with someone in there or other people, multiple people in there and then this shooting began and so we do know they recovered two pistols and two ar-15 style handguns, rifles, i'm sorry, long guns and so those are also now being traced to see where those came from. again, at this point terrorism is not ruled out, it's something they are trying to put together. >> evan, when we hear this is someone at the event and left, this sounds like this was somebody that had a reason to be at the event like an office party and had a fight and left and came back with somebody else. but is it possible that this person wasn't really supposed to be there, came there because they knew this gathering was occurring, had a confrontation left and came back. clearly, there was a level of preparation involved in this. so we don't -- i'm assuming we

don't know whether this person was meant to be there, supposed to be there or just showed up there, correct? >> yeah, the suspicion at this point, this say work in theory from law enforcement is that this person got into the vent, was at the event and left either was kicked out or there was some dispute that caused them to have to leave and then returned with two people. now you raise a good possibility, a good question whether this person simply was being kicked out because he didn't belong there or -- but he was in there and then exited or was kicked out and then came back with two people. >> your reporting is incredibly important because what it does is reemphasize the importance on trying to learn as much as we can about the event and i'm not clear in the reporting that we've heard so far about who was meeting here. i mean, the most it's been described is county personnel and you're saying -- >> yeah, a county -- apparently a county health employee group,

anders anderson. some kind of county health agency that was meeting there or having their holiday christmas event in the auditorium rented out by this inland regional center and so they had -- this had nothing to do with the center itself but happened to be the scene of where this holiday event was taking place. again, that was a county, these were county employees, health employees and apparently it's a very large agency within the county government there that was having its event there and again, whether or not this person belonged there or worked with that agency and simply had a beef, we still don't know. >> did this person have a gripe with this county health agency or employee? >> right. >> evan, i got to break away for a second. stick around because scott glover is back on the phone at a house there appears to be a raid going on. explain what you're seeing, scott. >> caller: well, just a moment ago, the fbi announced over a

loud speaker to the occupants of this townhouse or apartment, this is the fbi, please come to the front door and said that multiple times. it's unclear from my vantage point if there is officers on scene and there is a pio from the redlands police department saying they are here to assist for the search warrant and related to the shootings and activity earlier in the day. >> scott, just a couple questions here. we just learned that tips led law enforcement earlier in the day prior to the after the shooting at the inland regional center but prior to the suv being the shootout with the suv. tips led them to a residence where they saw a vehicle leaving the scene and that was the suv they began following that ended up in the shooting and the

killing of the two suspects. is that the residence you are at? do you know? >> caller: i believe that that is the residence that i'm at. i spoke with a law enforcement officer that said this is the only active scene in redlands and it is my belief that i am outside that location and certainly from the number of law enforcement officers here and the length of time they have spent here it seems to be of great interest for them. >> i know your distance from it and don't have eyes on it, do you have any idea how many apartment there is are in this facility? they are telling people to come out. has the building not been evacuated? >> well, it's a -- i can't -- i mean, there are many units in there. they are either down homes or

apartments and from my vantage point, i can't see how large the complex isme. they announced a specific address three or four times and told the acoccupants to come to the front door. i can still see, you know, a swat vehicle, another law enforcement vehicle down in the area where that announcement was made and again, police have been masking here over the past couple hours, the police presence probably quadrupled since i arrived and there are probably several dozen officers here now. it's hard for me to be specific because it's dark at this point and i've been kept a distance away. >> scott, this is -- your reporting is important to piece the puzzle together because we know early reports were, initial reports were there were three shooters involved, two police. those were based on eyewitnesss

at the time if people are dressed similarly in the confusion sometimes people see multiple gunmen even though there aren't in this case we know there were two people involved but are there a third? we don't know. the police said they apprehended a third person or person leaving the scene near where the shootout occurred that were the two suspects were killed. that person is being held unclear whether that person has any involvement. they searched an area around the suv based on local residents hearing somebody jumping over fences and believe they cleared that area. this raises now another possibility which we haven't really thought about up until now which is that if there was a third shooter involved in this and that they went back to this apartment which we believe they did because it was police who saw them leaving this apartment in the vehicle which led them to follow this suv, there is a new possibility that if there was a third shooter, that third

shooter is in the apartment and that's why they are calling out now. that's a possibility. we don't know if that's the fact or not and we're looking at a live picture from the area in redlands. >> caller: yeah. and i was going to say i would think that it would be the protocol to make the announcement no matter what, whether they think they will find someone in there or not, but clearly they are concerned and as you were speaking, anderson, i see them rolling out some sort of robot device you might use to go in and deal with an explosive or something like that. i can't say for sure but that's what it appears to be and whatever the case, they are certainly being very cautious and taking their time here. >> so the fact that they are calling out about executing a search warrant, calling out for

somebody in a specific apartment to come out, it would appear and i don't know how long you have been on the scene or if you now how long the police presence has been on the scene although they were clearly staking this apartment out after the initial clo slaughter because they saw the vehicle leave but it seems they haven't gone in the apartment yet or they have with the robotic device. >> that's my feeling they have yet to enter the apartment and that's how it seems. but it's a fluid situation and i cannot see the area where they would enter. i can't see the front door. i don't know what's happened since they made the announcements. -- what appears to be the robotic device has not been used yet. i'm looking at that now. that's much closer to me than the location that they are standing in front of. >> okay. obviously it's prudent of them to use a robotic device given the concern, first of all, they are still searching the area, initial area, inland r