house as well. very, very chilling material. guys, thank very much. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer. cnn's special coverage of the san bernardino shootings conditions right now with erin burnett "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, increasing evidence this evening that at least one of the san bernardino shooters may have been radicalized. law enforcement officials telling cnn tonight that syed farook along with his wife shot and killed 14 people at a holiday party had travelled to pakistan and saudi arabia. we are also learning that farook was in touch with people being investigated by the fbi for terrorism, communicating with them by phone and via social media. now, this comes as police say farook and his wife apparently were going to launch more attacks. they found at their home what police are now calling a bomb lab. cbs news just obtaining these photos of some of the homemade

bombs found there, including this one that would have been detonated with a remote control car. this, a bag full of possible pipe bombs. in this hour, we're going to take a closer look at the shooters. we're going to talk to their next door neighbor. she says they were a happy, seemingly normal pair. we're going to speak to a co-worker who sat next to farook every day. he was in that office complex when farook and his wife opened fire. so much breaking developments tonight. we begin with kyung lah who is "outfront" in san bernardino. you've been talking to farook's co-workers and they even threw a baby shower not that long ago. did they see any sign of a change? >> reporter: no signs. and that baby shower is an occasion that they were so friendly with one another that they wanted to celebrate the birth of his baby daughter. he was someone, as they described, as being mild mannered, not a man that they

ever imagined at their holiday party would hatch a plan and try to kill them. [ sirens ] just minutes before the killers opened fire on the holiday party, patrick pikari left to use the bathroom when the attacks started. >> i thought somebody booby-trapped the towel dispenser. i looked back at the mirror and i could see i was bleeding. >> reporter: pikari hid in the bathroom while syed farook and his wife fired off 75 rounds while killing 14 people. they talked about cars, farook's 6 month old daughter, regular chat between two co-workers. why do you think he did this? >> well, i think his beliefs were contrary to our american dreams. you would think that somebody that's working to the capacity

and education level that you are has similar respect, values. >> reporter: law enforcement officials tell cnn that farook was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the fbi, talking by phone and on social media with more than one person being investigated for terrorism. but a law enforcement source says those talks were infrequent. the last one had been a few months ago, not raising any alarms. no red flags either, say u.s. and saudi government officials when farook went to saudi arabia. the fbi says the 28-year-old had also traveled to pakistan. the couple's landlord who rented the apartment they would later fill with weapons and bomb-making materials saw no sign this was coming. >> it's beyond my comprehension. because they seemed like such a gentle, mild person. so i don't know. you just can't tell a book by

its cover. >> reporter: farook's brother-in-law didn't know. >> i have no idea. why would he do that? why would he do something like this? i have absolutely no idea. i am in shock myself. >> reporter: a sentiment echoed by patrick baccari. >> who wants to call their 16-year-old kid who say they just survived the attack. there's many people that didn't. >> reporter: baccari says the multiple bullet fragments in his body will stay, too risky to remove. what also remains, confusion, the man he so closely knew did this, now turning to anger and fear. >> i believe every citizen here should be armed to defend themselves in case of this happening but that's not everybody else's belief. i couldn't have defended anybody from the position i was in, even if i was armed. but at least if they tried to come in and get us in that restroom, i would have had some way of protecting the rest of

us. >> reporter: now, if there's any clue to violence in farook's past, in his parents' divorce records filed in 2008, his mother says her ex-husband was extremely violent, abusive, that he pushed her against the car and it's something that the children witnessed, he would threaten suicide and even threw a television on her. she even filed a temporary restraining order, violence that seemed to elude farook's life but as an adult, erin, when he came to the irc, as police continue to comb through this, they still have so many questions about how someone, who was so mild-man dernered on the outside could have committed such a violent, violent act. >> kyung lah, thank you very much. we're learning more about his family. i want to go now to pamela brown also in san bernardino. pam, you've been looking at the relationship between the shooters, between farook and his wife. this is one of the most bizarre

and important parts of the story. what have you learned? >> reporter: that's right. we've learned, according to officials we've been speaking with that it's believed that syed farook met his wife in saudi arabia in the summer of 2014. the last recorded trip he had there was during that summer. he was there for nine days. that is when they believe he met his wife. she then came back to the united states on a fiancee visa and obtained a green card and became a legal permanent resident from there. and frankly, that's all we've been able to learn about their relationship because investigators say these were two people who were not on their radar. these were people who weren't on watch lists, that they didn't have -- they are trying to learn more about this relationship and how this was missed. we've learned that officials, the fbi has been interviewing their family members and we're told that they have been cooperating but in terms of a motive, that's still unclear at

this hour. erin? >> pamela, you know, not only are there so many questions about them, it's so unusual that they could have been so off the radar. we also know that it looks likely that they were actually preparing additional attacks. is that right? >> reporter: that's right. in fact, we've learned that they had what appeared to be an ad hoc bomb lamb in the home. farook's mother, there were 12 explosive devices that were there inside that home, including 4500 rounds of ammunition and remote control cars that they believe they may have intended to use for the explosi explosives. so really a cache of weapons and that's part of the reason that in addition to why farook was in touch with terrorism suspects, although they were not high-prior tea suspects, they are questioning wll he could have been radicalized and whether this could have been a

workplace dispute or perhaps a blend of both. erin? >> all right. thank you very much. amy larson lives next door to the shooters. you lived next door to them for about six months. what were they like? >> reporter: they just seemed like just regular neighbors, kind of kept to themselves, cordial and i would see a gentleman come home from work and we'd greet each other and say hi, smile, met his mother, i believe, and the woman that lived there. i didn't know their names. >> you didn't know their names. >> at the time. but -- >> i know that obviously now you're thinking, gosh, you lived so close to them. police found pipe bombs in the house. >> right. >> thousands of rounds of ammunition. looking back now, annie, do you see any clues of what was actually happening? >> in retrospect, there's always

things that you can see. of note lately, they just kept receiving multiple packages but it's christmastime and that seemed pretty normal. i know he did work in his garage pretty regularly, sometimes the door opened, times it was closed. so i didn't really think of any -- i didn't notice anything particularly abnormal for the area in which i live. >> what were they like as couple? did you notice anything there? or just seeming to be very normal american couple? >> yeah. normal. he was happy. i would see him smile. kind of entering the house and -- we share backyard fences and can hear -- you can hear each other if you're in the back and could hear the baby that they have there making baby sounds and seemed happy and just norm normal, a normal life. >> you have a baby yourself. i have a baby myself. >> yes. >> the fact that they had a baby here is one of the most

impossible things to understand. i mean, you saw them. did they seem excited about this new baby? did you have any feelings or see tashfeen interact with her baby? what did you see? >> just seemed like they were regular moms and dads doing normal life. nothing really stood out. seemed happy to be together. so -- >> how do you feel now, annie, that knowing that this was happening right next door to you? as you say, this was -- this was adjacent to your home. this was touching your home. >> reporte >> i think the biggest thing that say parent probably in my face is sadness. sadness for our community, sadness for the lives that have been lost. sadness that glimmer of hope seems to keep dissipating in the

madness of the world. but there's always hope and hope will always prevail. >> annie, when was the last time you saw them? >> i think it was sunday afternoon. i could see them through the fence. they just seemed happy. they were both kind of in and out of the house there on the patio. >> they seemed totally normal. >> totally normal. no idea. >> well, annie, thank you very much for being with me. >> you're welcome. best to you. art roderick is joining me, former investigations for the u.s. marshals. she said she had no idea. could someone do what they were doing, and building, how easy is it to do this undetected? >> well, i mean, i think we've heard this description of

individuals before that have gone out and committed heinous crimes. oh, they were a normal person. they were nice to me. they waved to me. i think you hit on it, erin. that 6-month-old baby. how could they leave that 6-month-old baby and commit a crime like this? and whether it's -- it hasn't been totally pinned down yet whether they were radicalized by someone, whether this was workplace violence. but i can't see this being workplace violence when you have the tactics that they used, which we have seen used in other terrorist attacks around the world. to leave that 6-month-old child without any parents to, me, again, points another finger in the direction of being radicalized. >> yeah. we just heard annie say how normal they seemed, and normal with their baby. how is that possible? the co-worker said that, too. everybody has said that. no one has said there was any sign of radicalization.

>> yeah. i mean, they don't want to -- none of these people that become radicalized actually want to attract a lot of attention. once you attract a lot of attention, you start attracting law enforcement or neighbors are going to start talking and word gets back to law enforcement. this is a bizarre set of circumstances from a to z. this whole scenario, whether it's a hybrid, radicalization or workplace violence, this whole scenario is very bizarre and i think we're seeing something brand new here. >> certainly something brand new. art is going to stay with me. next, the male shooter traveled to saudi arabia and pakistan, communicated with terror suspects. did u.s. intelligence meet multiple red flags. and their home was loaded with guns and bomb-making materials. what do we know about another imminent attack. and new details on the massive attack that ended with two dead suspects? actually be exactly what i am.

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investigations really weren't high level people. they were people who were of interest to the fbi. they were not people who would cause the fbi to sort of say we're going to go six degrees of separation to see everybody that that person is talking to. nothing indicates that. and that's one reason that it may not necessarily be a case of missed signals. it may be that this person was so clean and tried to keep themselves so clean to avoid any scrutiny from law enforcement. one thing that we know that the fbi does in these cases is take a step back and say should we have been watching for this person? >> right. >> is there anything that indicates that we should have? >> and is there anything that indicates that, that he should have been on their radar? the people he talked to were at such a low level that no one could have expected them to be watching? >> right. exactly. that's exactly right. there's way too many people. as you know, there are 900 investigations going on around the country.

every state. that was one reason why it's a haystack and people like this will fall through. >> evan perez, thank you very much. "outfront" now, i want to go to former ccia bob baer and former assistant investigations for the u.s. marshals art roderick and james fitzgerald. james, do you have sany doubt that this was islamic terrorism? >> no indications that these people have reached out for workplace violence jihadist training camps or cells. so we do know that they've reached out for and i have actually visited farook himself other countries and it was possible that he was in a training camp there. we certainly see through his tenicles that he's reached out for people on the list and well known to the fbi. they may not have been big players yet but they are

certainly on the score card and it's no doubt that he had some level of radicalization from these people and from visits to the other countries. >> bob, we know that farook himself travelled to saudi arabia, met his wife there. that was back in 2014, though. and we know he didn't return and immediately start, for example, doing anything obvious, like growing his beard. that happened later. there were no signs from anyone, from his neighbors, his co-workers, guy who sat next to him, people we've talked to on this show, of him being radicalized. do you think that that trip to saudi arabia was crucial to this attack or not? >> well, i can speculate but saudi arabia is a mess. when this shooting started and the fact that he had gone to saudi arabia, he met his wife there, been to the rest of it, people came back and said saudi arabia is a recruiting ground for the islamic state for al qaeda. it doesn't mean that he was recruited there but he certainly would have heard arguments that you have to take the jihad to the united states. i mean, that doesn't mean he was

sent. i don't mean that at all. he just would have heard this, especially in mecca. the saudis are very upset about what is happening in iraq and syria. he would have heard a lot of this and we don't know about his wife. also, what was she doing in saudi arabia and the fact that they went there, they were looking for their roots and found a purified form of islam. >> uh-huh. >> which leads to islam. and somehow they expected those roles and the more i see this, the more i know that indeed is what happened. >> art, i want to ask you about his childhood. allegations that his mother was beat by his father. his mother set up an online profile for him, enjoyed target practice in the backyard. these are things that seem to fit the profile of other horrific attacks, like even in the newtown shootings.

how important are these things? >> erin, i think that the key part here is even in newtown, there were psychological issues going on here. we don't specifically though that about this individual. i think a lot of people grow up, unfortunately, in this country under that type of parenting and a lot of them don't go out and kill 14 people and wound another 19. so as much as we hear about a horrible childhood we have, i don't think we should be betting on the fact that that's why he went out and did this. >> to the point you're making, the gunman's older brother was a decorated veteran. he won several medals. including the global counterterrorism medal. how significant is that revelation to you, art? >> that just goes more to my point that, again, a lot of people grow up in these but they

turn out to be fine later on in life. why do they go out and do this, were they radicalized, were they not radicalized. to me, all of this points to radicalization. >> and james, do you think he should have been on the united states' radar? evan is pointing out that they have too many people like this on the radar. are they going to look back and say, this was a mistake? or not? >> well, i'm still in touch with my colleagues in the fbi and they feel to some degree their hands are tied. they are doing the best they can. they realize there's all sorts of political and jurisdictional issues that have to be addressed here but there's a lot that could be done in a case such as this. most likely should have been, whether it's a mistake or not, who knows. i can say this, there's probably out there right now, the fbi is

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braking news, the married killers amass an astonishing amount of fire power. thousands of rounds of ammunition, high-capacity magazines were found in their home along with what authorities are calling a bomb lab. i want to show you this. cbs just obtained photos of the some of the bombs found here. this is a big of possible pipe bombs. this is a bomb that they intended to detonate via that car, remote control car that they were going to detonate at the scene of the attack. kyung lah is "outfront" in san bernardino. on this issue specifically,

these pictures are chilling that they truly had a bomb lab. what more are you learning about it tonight? >> reporter: well, the home -- you use the word astonishing, that they had this incredible arsenal inside the home and certainly helps us understand why the police were being so cautious about entering their home. remember, the process was extremely long. they used robots to go in. they had a reason. look at this list we've obtained from the police about what they found inside this home. 12 pipe bomb-type devices, bomb materials and tools, 2,000 9 millimeter rounds. 2500 .223 caliber rounds and several hundred long-rifle rounds. that's simply what police found inside the home and then after that shootout between the suv, the two gunmen inside the suv and law enforcement, then when they approach and saw the two bodies, here's what they found on the killers themselves.

more than 1400 .223 caliber rounds and more than 200 9 millimeter rounds. not only was there planning for this attack, but when you look at what they found, that's why some experts are saying that they wonder whether this was simply one attack or there might be something further down the line. >> key yauyung lah, thank you. bobby, let me start with you. we know syed farook may have been radicalized but what about his wife? when police announced that there were two shooters and one of them was a female, pretty much everyone for a moment their jaws dropped. how do you explain her role in this? >> it's hard to explain currently. i'm sure the investigators are looking into her background. it's going to be a little more

difficult to determine her role because she lived overseas until recently. it could be that she was the catalyst for the end of game radicalization on his part. he was radicalized over the internet. obviously he was in contact with people over there. they could have been tracking his level of radicalization and insert her into his scenario towards the end game to be kind of a catalyst to set him in motion. >> and jim, let me ask you, though, in terms of her role, she obviously is crucial to this story in every way. she had a job in saudi arabia. she was a pharmacist. you know, having done reporting there, this is a country that has the lowest rate of female engagement in the country than any other country in the world. her having had a job, at least at the surface level, she would appear far from radicalized. >> well, i think she was

obviously intelligent. she had a job because she rose to the top of the workforce, the female workforce. but i agree with bobby, this could really be a case of romantic radicalization. he was actually targeted by the people who wanted to convert him or push him into radicalization and pushed this woman towards him so that she could push him over the edge and actually complete the job. >> so it's interesting -- >> it's also possible he went there with the specific intent to find a woman like that. >> right. so it could go either way. the crucial part about her role, they had a new baby, a 6-month new baby. the guy who sat next to him told our kyung lah that they had a baby shower for him, and she's the mother of a 6-month-old. it's unnatural for her to do what she did. what could explain that, to leave a new baby, drop it off with someone else in the morning and then go, knowing that you

would at the least never see that baby again? >> well, i think it does -- it is very unnatural and it's something that would have taken a tremendous amount of effort to do on her part. that means that the level of her commitment to this cause had to be extremely high. and that's why i believe that she was already radicalized and he, in turn, her. she was able to act calmly in this tactical assault and the shootout with the police. that's the kind of thing that only comes with practice and massive preparation. she was definitely trained and prepared for this kind of event. i think they were going out in a hail of bullets either way. and that was their plan. >> bobby, how much training do you think she had? to emphasize, when he went and did the attack, when they drove away, he was the one, from what we understand, who was driving. she was in the back seat with an ar-15 engaged in a fire fight with the police. she was. tashfeen malik was in the fire

fight. >> she clearly had advanced training and clearly lots of it. it's going to be mahard to determine that because she was living overseas but my former colleague sent immediate leads to determine her background, her connections. they are currently working very hard to develop a profile of her and to see what training she had, not only for this particular case but, you know, whether she had friends or sisters or people, a common cause with her who have come over on these fiancee visas. i'm sure they are tracking that data. >> obviously her involvement is a game changer in how law enforcement will look at this. could there be something else, anything else that could have he can plained her involvement, something like a postpartum psychosis? >> postpartum psychosis is internal. the violence goes internally or

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breaking news, the search is on for motive behind the deadliest mass shooting since newtown. the fbi speaking out to the syed farook's co-workers in san bernardino and also talking to terror suspects around the globe. the massacre, of course, playing out on live television. 14 people dying. tonight, new details about the attack. poppy harlow is "outfront." [ gunfire ] >> you have a shooter in that car. >> reporter: police zero in on

syed farook and tashfeen malik who had just hours before killed 14 people at an office event. this was ten miles from the scene of the mass shooting. a black ford suv drove by slowly at first and then sped away. >> we are in pursuit of the suspect vehicle eastbound on san bernardino avenue and richardson. we've got shots fired out the back window. >> reporter: one shooter fires at police in hot pursuit. the police headed back to san bernardino. all of it playing out on live television. >> we have units in san bernardino and richardson taking fire. >> reporter: the suv comes to a stop and a full-scale gun battle breaks out. [ gunfire ] the shooters firing 76 rounds, at least 21 officers return fire, nearly 400 rounds riddled the suv. >> shots fired!

we need a bear cat. we need medical. >> we have one down outside the car and one down inside the car. >> rizwan farook gets out of the car but he doesn't get far. malik, her 6-month-old daughter at home with the grandmother, dies in the car. thousands of rounds of ammunition, 12 pipe bombs and what investigators call a bomb lab. with hundreds of tools that could be used to make explosives. and erin, the big question that remains tonight, when did the switch flip? what motivated this young couple in their 20s to carry out mass murder? the man who rented them that townhouse said that they were timid. that's a quote. and said that there was no cause for concern and then this, a mass murder situation. tonight, we still have fbi at the home there going through

that homemade bomb lab, seeing if it will lead them to any clues as to why this happened, was it the radicalization that sparked this. what tells them about what sparked all of this tonight. >> poppy, thank you very much. bob bobby chiccone is back with me. when you look at the massive law enforcement and so fast, what sticks out to you? >> well, this is the new normal for us on the law enforcement side of it. we train with these people all the time at the state, local and federal levels. we train for these scenarios, both on the response aspects, the forensic aspects, the intelligence aspects and the investigative aspects. and we will continue to be partners side by side with all of our federal, state and local partners when these incidents occur. and ongoing. >> and i guess the bottom line is, did they do everything they needed to do? they didn't know anything about

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tonight, breaking news, pictures of the bombs cbs obtaining photos of the bobs the shooters tried to use. one of them you see here showing a bag of pipe bombs and this one a bag that was at the scene of the attack that was supposed to be detonated using a remote controlled car.

officials telling cnn syed farook may have been radicalized. his brother-in-law spoke out about the attacks. >> i'm very sad that people lost their life. i wish to them and, again, i am in shock that something like this could happen. >> "outfront" now, a he had looker in the los angeles community was the executive director of the council on american-islamic relations in the u.s. thank you for being with me. you've met with farook's family. you appeared at a press conference with them. what are they saying to you? >> like all americans, they are just distraught, they are devastated with the fact that one of their relatives could do that. i mean, the family -- the spokesperson for the family expressed and conveyed the genuine sentiment of sorrow, of sadness that his brother-in-law

could commit such a crime. they, of course, express solidarity, like the rest of muslims and all americans, they stand in solidarity and offer their heartfelt condolences to the families and the loved ones killed as a result of the hateful crime. >> you're going to be speaking at farook's old mosque tomorrow. what are you going to say? >> of course, i'm going to be there to convey the message that everyone in the community feels this is a crime that is absolutely no justification for such behavior, for such act. regardless of the motive, this is a time of resilience and it's not about muslims mourning alone. it's our time on friday but this is a time where nationally, as a nation, we're mourning for such crimes, whether it's in san bernardino or whether it's in

colorado springs or anywhere else. >> hussam, cnn is reporting that farook may have been radicalized. president obama said after the paris attacks that leaders in the muslim community are not doing enough to stop terrorism. he said, "there are some who say we don't believe in violence but are not as willing to challenge some do you feel that he's talking to you, you need to do more than condemn an act like this as a leader in the muslim community? >> i mean, you have to put things in perspective. there are 1 .6 billion muslims in the world. those who commit such horrendous acts are really a tiny, tiny small minority. no more in percentage than those who commit attacks on the planned parenthood centers and places who definitely do not represent christianity. let's put things in perspective. these are political not religious conflicts, the result of instability in syria and

iraq, instability and dictatorships in part of the middle east, this is not a muslim problem. this is a problem for the world and it needs us united, not singling out the victims. most of the victims of terrorism continue to be muslims. so this is a time when we need to stand in solidarity together, address the root causes of terrorism as we need to. in the middle east by making sure we support democracy, freedom against a tax from russia, from isis and others but at this time, time to mourn with the victims. time to offer condolences and certainly make sure that our voices, not just as muslims, as a community we speak against injustice. >> thanks to you. "outfront" next as hundreds ran for safety, first responders ran to the danger. sanjay gupta has an exclusive interview with one of those heroes. ♪

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breaking news, we now know the identities of the 14 people gunned down yesterday in san bernardino. the victims, six women and eight pen between the ages of 26 and 60. among the dead, michael wetzel father of six. in a statement his wife said michael was the most amazing person that she has ever met. and as hundreds of terrified people fled the scene of the attack, first responders ran as they always do towards the danger. our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta spoke to sole

brave people. an e.r. doctor first to arrive on the scene, what did he tell you? >> reporter: he got there bump the swat team did so he was seeing some other people within that building starting to bring the injured out, you know. what we're hearing erin, a lot of times these doctors have to get into these situations quickly and often times will take care of patients on the scene there. they don't have time sometimes to transport them back to the hospital. so he was taking care of some of the injured there in the field on the scene and as you might imagine, erin, some of the injuries were pretty awful. this was somebody who had spent time in various wars and he was likening it to some of the battling he seen in the past. >> you also learned something very surprising about one of the doctors you met. >> reporter: yeah, you know, it's interesting, you know, the whole culture in someways is changed because these doctors often times have to go into these scenes that are still active.

they are still dangerous. at the time they are trying to save other people's lives, they themselves may put their lives at risk and they are trying to figure out how to do both roles. this is how one doctor put it. >> i should be able to defend myself when it's necessary and also have the capabilities to deal with the wounded in the field. >> reporter: so, you know, they literally in addition to stethoscope and medical equipment, erin, what i'm describing is more common but in addition to taking medical equipment, he's also carrying a handgun. he's carrying an assault rifle himself. he goes and trains with the swat team. he's a member of the swat team in this area and he learns how to be able to defend his self-and protect patients in the field. it's a hybrid role emerging as a result of the times in which we live, erin. he's part soldier. he's part doctor. and he often times does both at

the same time. >> sanjay, thank you very much. that's pretty stunning, doctors carrying assault rifles. a lot of people questioning how that happens in this nation. president obama lighting the national christmas tree tonight. it's usually a very happy event but tonight anything but. the president took a moment to reach out to those who lost a loved one in the san bernardino shooting. >> their loss is our loss, too for we're all one american family. we look out for each other in good times and in bad and they should know that all of us care about them this holiday season. they are in our thoughts, they are in our prayers, and we send them our love. >> something for everyone to think about, the president at the tree lighting ceremony tonight. thank you for joining us. set your dvr and record "outfront" and watch the program at any time. our breaking coverage continues

right now with "ac 360." good evening tonight from san bernardino, california. in just about an hour, a vigil gets underway at the baseball stadium behind me for the 14 men and women murdered at a holiday party by a co-worker and his wife yesterday. we're just now learning their names and some of the victim's stories and will bring those to you tonight. in this stadium they will be honored so were those injured wounded in the attack. there will be no doubt tears in the stadium and we hope at least a small measure of comfort for a community badly in need of it. many people are lined up waiting to get into the stadium. there is no comfort nor rest for anyone in law enforcement or in homeland security tonight. the investigation is moving fast. they are scrambling to figure out what turned them into bomb makers and murders. pipe