hello and thank you for joining hello, and thank you f joining us. i'm isha sesay here on the west coast. >> i'm john vause. work place disagreement or terror attack? investigators say the massacre at a holiday party might just have been both. sources say the gunman was apparently radicalized and had been in touch with people the fib finn is investigating for international terrorism. >> killed 14 people at a public

center on wednesday. the lieutenant was one of the first to arrive on the scene. >> it was unspeakable. the carnage we were see, the number of people who were injured and unfortunately already dead. and the pure panic on the face now. we got as many people out as quickly as we could. >> police also found 12 pipe bombs and a trove of ammunition at the couple's home not far from here in the city of r redlands. our justice correspondent pamela brown begins our coverage. >> we've learned from law enforcement sources that the couple had two cell phone.

apparently the cell phone belonging to them found in a trash bin near one of the crime scenes. they believe the couple was trying to hide their tracks and make it impossible for investigators to be able to see what was on their cell phones. we're told, though, that the fbi is working to retrieve tretriev information on their phones and also we learned the couple's hard drive belonging to their computer is nowhere to be found. so there has been a subpoena issued to the providers to get the contents from their computer. and investigators are hoping whatever is retrieved will shed light on a possible motive. this case has been somewhat puzzling to investigators. as one person said, it doesn't fit neatly into a box. it's unclear if this is, in fact, terrorism or if it's a work place dispute or a blend of the two. sources who analyzed the bombs that were found say they don't match any extremist recipe. it appears the shooters didn't

follow a specific recipe from inspire magazine which we now is run by al qaeda. or recipes from isis. there's a lot of mystery here. we know the fbi has been investigating or, i should say, interviewing the family members of the shooter. they are completely shocked from their viewpoint this couple did not seem radicalized at all. certainly still a lot to learn here. pamela brown, cnn, san bernadino. >> let's get more now. there was a police news conference held earlier this evening, paul. and we are starting to get some chilling details from one of the first responders who arrived on the scene here on wednesday. >> well, john, it was just one of these things. the first responder happened to be about a mile from the shooting scene. and in our l.a. news room we heard 20 casualties. that's astoubding and makes you almost jump out of your chairs.

we headed down here, and this first responder then goes into what started as a training exercise for county health workers and transited to a holiday party. and this is what he describes. >> it's immediate evident the reports we were getting were 100% true. there were victims who were clearly obviously deceased outside of the conference room. the situation was surreal. it was something that i don't think again we prepare for. and anning a tif shooter, we talk about sensory overload.

>> lightning has struck twice in san bernadino county. you might remember almost three years ago the maniacal excop christopher dorner wept on a rampage here in which he not only killed officers but was in a dramatic s.w.a.t. standoff in the mountains just above us with officers. it was a shootout that claimed another officer's life. he was armed to the teeth. he had military training. i spoke to one officer offcamera tonight. he said many of these officers also were in that gun battle with dorner on that mountain and it might have helped him yesterday when they got in the standoff with him and his wife in another part of san bernadino, john. >> incredible to think two strategies like that could hit one community in such a short space of time. it seemsll of the victims inside that conference room were linked in some personal way to the shooters. >> you're absolutely right, john. it almost seems like there's two

narratives. searching as to whether or not he was a radicalized muslim but also he seemed to have a beef with a number of his co-workers in the county and the statistics are just alarming. of the 14 people killed, 12 of them work for the county of san bernadino. and of the 21 people injured, 18 of them work for the county of san bernadino. they're trying to go ahead and determine if there are any links. and it's going to be a long process here, but it looks like it's a confluence of two things here. a work place and some sort of beef. we have more on that right now thank you. how would two people carried out mass murder as opposed to one person.

>> you don't generally see work place violence being a family affair. we've seen instances where, however, husband and wife or partners have been involved in trim. weather underground, for instance, is one. we also saw father/son incident where two plefrs were killed some years ago after a car stop. they were anti-government extremists. as you were saying, there are thing that can point in either direction. but right now, i think with the fbi leading the investigation, that tells you that terrorism is an active consideration until it's rebutted. >> religious ideology mixed in with a work place dpis agreement. >> i just testified to congress several weeks ago. one of the things i talked about is in this new landscape. we not only have hire remark call groups and people who are strict ideologues, but people who are hybrids who have anger and hatreds that are unique mix.

we have unstable people who are an amal game of different insecurities and instability. and this anger can than personal can then be wrapped in an ideology anding you can have something we've seen this week. >> this is still a theory. from what we are learning about the two shooters right now, it does seem they were living a double life. they went to great extremes to cover up their tracks. they damaged a hard drive as well. is it surprising to you that they went to this amount of effort to basically disguise what they were doing? if this were a work place violence case strictly, why would they be getting rid of their cell phones or hard drives? and there have been some connections.

look, we've sen haelged conversations with other extremists. but the bottom line is, we have to keep that book open. >> no one expected this, no one saw this coming. do you buy that? no one had any clue what these two people were up to? >> no. >> why not? >> people leave a trail. i'm not saying most of their friends or even some of their family members, but we find a lot of times a precursor to attack, not in all cases, but in a good minority of them, is leakage. information gets leaked oit. it would seem to me the fact that there was an argument at work, for instance, if it involved ideology. some of us probably heard. this very well could be a hybrid and we just don't know.

we can't rule anything out. and i think the terrorism investigation angle is still a plausible one until the evidence shows otherwise. >> i know these folks. these folks are part of the community. this was a textbook response. i i'm going to tell you something. these were world class responders and the way that different agencies coordinated, set up a triage and got to that scene within minutes saved lives. these were the heros of our community and the nation can be proud of every single one of them. >> thank you for that. appreciate us, brian. thank you very much. >> take care. >> investigators search for a motive in the shooting rampage. the community is now already taking steps to try and heal. the largest mosque in san bernadino county feld a vigil on

thursday night. hundreds of people have gathered for a candle light vigil. po po ppy harlow was there. we're not hopeless, we're talking about all these people that come here together tonight. listening to beautiful music, trying to reflect on what their community has gone through in just the last two days. it is unfathomable to everyone here. the mayor, talking about his phone call with president obama this morning, and when you look around all of these people, every race and religion represented. they have a different story. they're here all for a different reason. but they're here and they stand together. a young woman, christina who i spoke with told me she lost two friends murdered yesterday. it's amazing one of her friends who was murdered is a father of

six. six children. his name, she said she's here for him. for everyone who perished, for everyone who who suffered here. he said it's hard to find logic in this. why did this happen? how could this happen. all of the children, so many parents brought their young, young children here tonight and i asked one knotter of five, why do you bring your children. how do you explain this to them. she said next to me i can't explain it to them. but they watch the news, they see what's happening. i try to give answers the best i can. perhaps it's because they saw the worst of humanity play out here yesterday. and tonight at this vigil, the best of humanity coming together, being together. john?

>> the coroner has released the names of the 14 people who were killed. among them, 52-year-old nicholas thalenios. and the father oof a 20-month-old daughter. police say 14 people killed, 12 were county employees. they were agent 80 people attending the party when the shooting happened. we will continue to follow our breaking news coverage here of the shooting in san bernadino, california. coming up, the chilling police audio and the chaos which followed. owe. >> plus, a former fbi agent joins me to talk about the deadly shooting and the role the female killer may have played in the attack. with t-mobile and the incredible iphone 6s

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angeles. >> i'm john vause in san bernadino. police think the shooters may have had much bigger plans. they found a large stash of weapons and explosives inside the home and the suv of sye syed farook and his wife. and they say farook was apparently radicalized, but they're still not ready to say that was his only motive. law enforcement officials are also looking at two smashed cell phones recovered from a garbage can near one of the crime scenes. calls, the energy calls from 1 that deadly shooting. the chaos began 11:00 a.m. local time and would continue for hours. >> within seconds, information starts trickling in.

>> it's in building number three. >> several units start heading to the inland regional center. >> where in the building is he closest to you? south or north end? >> so far i'm get on the ground floor, an unknown male, all black clothing with a black mask. we do have victims down. >> about four minutes after the initial call, the first officer arrives. quickly assessing the situation. >> on the south side is what we're being told. >> anybody with you? >> negative. i need two more units with me for an entry team. >>less than two minutes after police arrive, the shooters escape. >> you're being advised that one suspect fled in a black suv. we do not know if we saw an active shooter. we supposedly have two down inside. we'll be making entry. >> turned out, both killers had left the bloody scene.

once inside -- >> we have several down in the conference room. we need a medical team. >> those that responded would help the wounded and secured the area, evacuating survivors from the scene. watch as this group is led to safety. hands-up, even a child is among them. one of the officers tries to keep them calm. >> everyone try to relax, try to relax. i'll take a bullet before you do, that's for damn sure. >> but killers still on the run. but less than two hours after the shooting, police have a lead on the identity of one of the killers. >> i talked to a wness who said the guy sit next to him who's a county worker was acting a little weird and left early. which he also thought was weird. and then about 30 minutes later, the shooting happened. i have a name and general age no date of birth. >> by 2:57 p.m., police seem to find what they're looking for. >> we got the suv with the utah

plate s. plates. we're trying to catch up. >> they chase the suv for about 18 minutes before gunfire erupts. >> we are in pursuit of the suspect vehicle eastbound on san bernadino avenue from richardson. we've got shots fired out the back window. >> this cell phone video shows the end of the chase. hundreds of rounds exchanged between 23 officers and the two shooters. >> right now, we have one down outside the car, one down inside the car. >> by 3:16 p.m., more than four hours after they took 14 lives, both killers are shot to death. police would later find more than 1,600 rounds of ammunition in their car and at their home 12 piem bombs. the quick action by police possibly stopping even more planned attacks. cnn, miami. >> much more from san bernadino in just a few moments. but first, let's head back to

isha in los angeles. >> thank you, john. >> the fbi special agent, thank you for joining us again for second night. >> the working theory that everyone is throwing around right now is of a hybrid motive. some kind of work place grievance, intersecting with his apparent radicalization. do you buy it? is does it make sense to you? >> it does is to some extent. and i think the further investigation is going to be needed into that theory. there's some dispute at the party, that's clear. obviously when the back to the party and did this act. so it doesn't take a stretch to think that something happened at the party that made him go back there, whether it was planned to go back there or whether this was just something that set him off to go back there. that's all yet to be determined. but clearly, there was an antagonism when he left the party. that's being described by witnesses and he obviously went back and took this violent action.

workplace violence, sure. by very definition of the words, it's workplace violence. i think there is something into credibility on this hybrid. >> given what they found, the amount of weaponry and ammunition. it clearly points to something bigger, does it not 1234 do you think this was the original target? >> absolutely. something bigger and original. now what's to be determined is whether or not there was another initial target planned and this just targeted the funt because of the antagonism at the work place. and maybe they were going to hit that first and then go to the secondary target, which at that the point was their initial target before they went to the work place. or whether they were going to do a secondary attack.

but clearly it was planned because of the amount they would need was more than they would need for this particular attack. >> the weaponry, the device, does that say to you, or suggest to you that other people could have been involved? because of the quantity. >> yes, it does to me, both by the purchasing of all the material materials. the general scene coming and going from the residents, witnesses say i think they saw other people coming and going. >> if you were in that house, it sounds like there was ammunition and guns around. by the very nature and the am of things, the type of activity taking place in that house, and the fact that the gentleman was seen coming and going could have been involved in the planning and maybe the execution of this.

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>> i'm john vause in san bernadino. law enforcement officials say they have recovered two smashed cell phones at the crime scene. they also recovered a hard drive that said someone tried to tamper with it. sources say the gunman was apparently radicalized and had been in touch with people being investigated bhi the fbi for international criticism. they were killed a few hours later in a shootout with police. a trove after ammunition was found at the home. the couple met in 2013 when farook traveled to saudi arabia. globally in sernl of any wider terror ties, and locally for those who knew them are speaking out.

>> just minutes before the killers arrived, this man went to the bathroom. >> i was pulling the towels out of the dispenser. i could see i was bleeding in my temple and my nose. >> baccari hid in the bathroom what time syed farook and his wife fired off 76 rounds, killing 14 people. farook and baccari shared a cubicle for three years. they talked about cars. farook's 6-month-old daughter, regular chat between two co-workers. >> why do you think he did this? >> well, i think his believes were contrary to our american dreams. you think that somebody that was working to the capacity and educated to the level that you are has similar respect and values.

>> farook was parentally radicalized and talking to people that were apparently being investigated by the fbi. >> the tauks were infrequent. but no red flags say u.s. and saudi government officials when farook went to saudi arabia. the fbi says the 28-year-old had also traveled to pakistan. the couple's landlord saw no sign this was coming. >> it ice beyond my comprehension. they seem like such a general mild person. you just can't tell a book by its cover. >> farook's both brother-in-law didn't no. >> i have no idea. why would he do something like this? i have absolutely no idea. i'm in shock myself.

>> a sentiment echoed by patrick baccari. >> who wants to call their 16-year-old kid to tell them you just survived an attack. there are many people that didn't that we love. >> baccari says the multiple bullet fragments in his body will stay, too risky to remove. what also remains, confusion. the man he so closely knew did this. now turning to anger and fear. >> i believe every citizen here should be armed to defend themselves in the case of this happening. but that's not everybody else's belief. i couldn't defend anybody from the position i was in, even if i was armed. but at least if they tried to come in and get us in that restroom, i would have had some way of maybe protecting the rest of us. >> we could not find a criminal background on farook, but there were court 35er7s from a divorce

of his parents in 2008 that described her husband, farook's father being violent, mentally ill at times, often not on his meds and frequently saying that he would commit suicide. she also described him as being violent, throwing once a tv on her. >> colonel, let's start some of the tactics. some of them seemed to be isis-like tactics. some of them appeared to be not isis-like tactics. >> they're using a large am of fire power. that was different, the edge of the scene almost immediately after doing that. they could have stayed there and killed a lot more people, but they chose not to. the question is why did they do that? when they said we're going to

move to another area to attack someone else. others say they were going to come back when the first responders came in. we know they had something else in mind. they could have gotten on any one of these four interstates and been out of here very quickly, but they chose to remain in the area. >> from an icy point of view, two shooters, one to cover the other? >> we saw very effectively, one recovering, one reloads while the other is shooting. we don't know if they had that kind of coordination, but the ar-15 is not an intuitive weapon. someone had to train them to do this. >> also the use of explosives is not very effective, but we saw explosives being used in paris. >> and we see isis is a big user of the ied. they built the ied. it was supposed to go off with a remote control detonation. that didn't work, fortunately will.

but we see long arps and explosive devices together. >> so they had the tactics but maybe not necessarily the training to put it in practice -- >> it seemed like they had a good plan, it just wasn't executed very well. and the further they got into the plan, the faster it started to fall apart. >> what about the stuff that's not like isis. thing that struck me most was the fact that a woman was involved in the attack. i always thought that groups like isis and al qaeda frowned upon women being involved in that kind of thing. >> isis was starting out. we saw that, but we're seeing that change. as we get further away from what we call core isis in iraq and syria. as you get out into the other areas, into europe and the united states, we're starting to see them use more and more women. of course, the islamists have used women in the past quite effectively in chechnya, for example. >> one question which a lot of people are out there continue asking. i find this incredible. the aspect of radicalization. how is it that someone could

become radicalized to a point when you're a woman to be able to give up your newborn child. because what this woman did, and as a father to give up your child. >> we've been going around and around. i talked to other able lists and none of us can reconcikoconreco they got this radicalized. they have a family now. yet we see both of them dropping off this child, knowing full well that they were not going to see that child again. >> the thing that says to me is it's a terrifying level of the commitment to this plan. they were prepared to give everything up. >> it's unbelievable. >> how do you fight somebody with that much commitment? it's like there's no feeling whatsoever inside. >> and how do they keep that away from their families? >> we're hearing interviews from some of the families. they have no idea.

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>> isha sesay in los angeles. >> i'm john vause in san bernadi bernadino. the entire first name was there for the christmas tree lighting. despite it being a festive

evening, there was a somber tone. mr. obama took a few minutes to remember those who lost their lives. >> their loss is our loss, too. for we're all one american family. we look out for each other in good times and the bad. we should know all of them care about us this holiday season. they're in thourgts and in our prayers. and we send them our love. >> republican presidential families give their condolences. while barack obama has hez date tated on calling the shooting terrorism, some gop candidates didn't hold back. >> we had another event which probably was -- the one yesterday -- probably was related. radical islamic terrorism. and i'll tell you what, we have

a president who refuses to use the term. he refuses to say it. there's something going on with him. >> politically correct double speak that comes from the obama administration. has gone beyond the point of ridiculous. >> i am convinced that was a terrorist attack. and the president continues to wring his hands and say we'll see.ew savagery of islamic terrorism exists. and his president and his former secretary of state cannot call it for what it is. >> mass shooting leaves four or

more people dead. there have been 353 of those in the u.s. this year, taking place in 220 cities and 47 states, including wednesday's attack, a total of 462 people have been killed in mass shootings in 2015. and more than 1,300 have been injured. well, hours before wednesday's shooting, a group of doctors delivered a petition to congress asking them to lift restrictions on gun violence research here in the united states. supporters say this latest attack underb scores an urgency for objective medical perspectives. i spoke with one of the physicians pressing lawmakers to reconsider. doctor, thank you so much for joining us. now, you said the u.s. is dealing with a gun violence eck academic. and you actually belong to a group of physicians who believe we should be looking at the problem of gup violence as a public health issue. why is that important?

>> gun violence is affecting communities, individuals across the country every day. medical professors, doctors, nurses, we're seeing these people coming into our hospitals, our e.r.s, people who are coming in for injuries. people who are killed by gun violence. we're seeing them, we're having to treat them every single day. it's clearly a public health issue. >> with that in mind, i have to ask you, what did you think when you first heard of the mass shooting in california? >> well, like everyone else, i had a mixture of shock and a feeling of wow, is this happening again? yet one more time. and i really have the sense that we've had this ban on the cdc doing gun violence research for 20 years. and it is time, it is beyond time for congress to take action and make sure that we can do research so we can prevent these kinds of tragedies from happening so, so often.

>> talk to me about this ban, talk to me about the kind of data you believe is being lost. >> we do have a small number of researchers doing research for the past 20 year, but it's not nearly enough. we have 32,000 people zieing of gun violence every yore in america. and there's so much information that we don't have. we don't know, what are the best ways we can prevent a teenager from committing suicide with a gun? what are the best ways to prevent a child from accidentally finding a gun and shooting their sibling? these are some basic questions that we need answered. >> i think it's worth underscoring. the focus is not just simply looking at mass shootings of the kind that just happened in california, you're looking at gun violence as a whole.

>> absolutely. 89 people a day are dying from gun violence. 2/3 of those are from suicide. there are so many people being harmed, families being harmed. and we need answer pms. >> how much buy-in do you have for the lifting of the ban on research? >> there is a lot of outcry among, certainly among the medical and public health community. i think there are a lot of people in this country that don't know a ban is in effect. what, we can't do research on gun violence, that doesn't make any sense. we need to lift it nout, we need to fund the research that's going to save lives. >> how optimistic are you that the been a will be lifted? >> i'm optimistic. congress has a chance to do it now.

they have an opportunity at any moment and we are seeing an increasing outcry among so many people who are saying this is not an issue of right versus left, of republicans versus democrats. these are questions every one wants answers to. every time we hear stories of another shooting one of the first questions all of us ask is how did this happen and how can we prevent it? that's exactly what we're trying to get done. >> we appreciate you're efforts. and you're just joining us here to discus them. thank you very much for speaking to us. >> thank you very much for having me. >> our breaking news coverage of the attack in san bernadino, california, continues. we'll take you inside one of the emergency room where is patients were brought after the mass shooting. with t-mobile and the incredible iphone 6s you can reach more people in more places than before.

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daughter's first ever trip to disneyland but now they won't be going. he's one of 14 peerld kimmed in san bernadino in that shooting spree. many of the dead were county employees preparing to attend a holiday party op on thursday, the coroner's office released the names of all of the victims. and just a few hours ago, hundreds gathered for a candidate the light vigil in san bernadino to honor all of them. along with the dead, 21 people were wounded in that brutal attack and they were rushed to nearby hospitals. six patients were taken to arrowhead regional medical center and the doctors and nurses had just moments to prepare. cnn's medical correspondent spoke to some of the medical team about what they faced. >> you're looking inside one of the emergency rooms where patients were brought after the mass shooting that rocked southern california. >> bev ten operating rooms ready to go. and radiology was ready. everyone was ready. >> so here's where things took place. we're in the emergency room, the

arrowhead medical center, here's where the calls came in. we had 30 minutes before the patients would start to arrive. behind these doors are the trauma bays. take a look at what it looks like now and compare it to what it looked like yesterday. for every patient brought in, there were four or five doctors prepeared to treat the wounded. >> if you're looking at one of these bay, what does it look like waiting for one of these patients to come in. >> we had a seep yor e.r. resident at the head with an attending ining an stheezologi. >> dr. kona singh was the e.r. doctor in charge. >> how much notice do you have for the patients come through the doors? >> very little. i was given reports of patient injuries as far as location, where they were shot, and mental

status, that was basically all we had as they hit our doors. we had to sort of prepare for a larger influx of patients than we normally would. things you wouldn't normally think of, calling a blood bank for blood, getting enough blankets, getting enough iv fluids and those sorts of things. >> the chief of surgery, along with dr. singh spoke exclusively to cnn, describing how they had to manage the worst mass shooting these doctors have ever seen. >> a decision to send one patient straight to the operating room, two to the scan and one had to wait. >> the wait, not knowing, that's the toughest part for any medical team. >> what's the thing you worry about most in these types of situations? >> that your resources get stressed so much that you might not be able to provide care to all the people who come. and you have to decide who goes first, who goes second, who goes third. sometimes you have to decide who

is -- whose care is futile so don't waste a lot of time and resources. and that will be the most difficult thing you can decide in mass casualties. >> that's something you probably think about over and over again. >> absolutely. in my mine, i should be the one that decides it inste of you. >> all six patients streeted here are expected to survive and do well. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, san bernadino county, california. >> and isha, we should also make the point here that many of those hospitals were actually on lockdown at the time. so inside, the victims were being treated, outside the relatives were trying to get in to find out the condition of their loved ones. it was a horrific day. >> yeah, it was an horrific day. and just the circumstances, it's all anyway, a mass shooting of this nature.

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hello and thank you for joining us. i'm isha sesay at 10:00 on the u.s. west coast. >> i'm john vause in san bernadino, california. i would like to welcome our viewers from the united states and around the world. we will begin with new details about the man and the woman who carried out that deadly shooting. sources say syed farook was apparently radicalized and had been in touch with a number of people under investigation by the fabab