this is gps. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world, i'm fareed zakaria. we have a terrific show for you this week with two big exclusives. first up, president obama's national security advisor susan rice. on the worldwide terror threat, isis, syria, russia, and turkey. and -- ♪ -- bono and the edge. u2 were in paris were terror struck that city. they will play there tonight in

an act of joyous defines. before they left for france, i talked to them about terror from the ira to isis, how their music figh figh fights evil. >> this idea will only take christian refugees, this is not the american idea. ♪ also, one of america's most important allies. the super star of the revolutions of 1989 has take an dangerous turn. the most recent act of

horrific violence in america in san bernardino, california, was perpetrated by a muslim man and woman. there are million muslims in the united states. how should they react to the actions of the couple that killed 14 people this week? the most commonly heard response that muslims must immediately and loudly condemn these acts. but a muslim-american leader argues that this is unfair. she made her case to nbc's chuck todd. >> now when you look at the majority of terrorist attacks in the united states, according to the fbi, the majority of domestic terrorist attacks are actually committed by white male christians. when those things occur, we don't suspect other people who share their faith and ethnicity of condoning them.

we assume that these things outrainfaou outrage them as money as anyone else. >> muslims do face double understand, but i understand why. muslim terrorists don't just happen to be muslim. they claim to be motivated by religion and tell their fellow muslims to follow in their bloody path. there are groups around the world spreading this religiously-infused ideology. in these circumstances, it important for the majority of muslims who disagree with jihad to speak up. but it important also to remember it is an overwhelming majority who disagree. there are 1.6 billion muslims on

the planet. it would still add up to less an 0.1% of the world's muslims. in america of all places, individuals should be judged as individuals and not placed under suspicion for some group characteristic. it's un-american to do otherwise. but increasingly americans do seem to view muslim as someone actively propogating some ideology. republican candidates are vying with each other to make insinuations about islam and all muslims. the television personality bill

mar made the broad generallization recently, if you are in this religion, you probably do have values that are like that. trump insists that he will not be silenced on the issue. chris christie says that he will not follow politically correct national security policy. they are simply feeding a prejudice. the reality that muslims today are the most despised minority in america. they face insults, discrimination and a dramatic rise in acts of violence against them. and the leading republican candidate has flirted with the idea of registering all muslims, a form of collective punishment that has not been seen since the

internment of yjapanese americans. it's the first time i can recall watching politicians pander to mobs and then congratulate themselves for their political courage. for me, read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. we'll get to my exclusive interviews with susan rice and bono in just a moment. but i first want to tackle the mass shooting this week in san bernardino, california, and the shooters' connections with isis. to help us understand, i want to bring in my colleagues jim sciutto who was part of the krns team that broke the story.

why are they investigating this as an act of terrorism? >> they have good reason to do so. one, this facebook posting a pledge of allegiance to baghdadi by the wife. significant as well because we know there's precedent for this. isis-inspired attackers posting similar pledges prior to or during the attack. the second that the male shooter had contact with known terrorism subjects. we're not talking about an isis leader or al qaeda leader or operatives, but known sympathizers. again, that has been shown in the past as a path not only to radicalization, but they've often preceded people who chosen to go carry out terror.

the enormous arsenal they had amassed. one rifle they had changed, modified to make it from semi-automatic to automatic. also pipe bombs that look similar in design to recipes put out there by groups such as isis. >> what are they looking at in terms of figuring out what exactly radicalized in couple? >> it's still a subject of investigation. it's often a complicated story with multiple threats. one they're looking at frankly is that the wife was the incity investigator of this. colleagues and family have said he changed somewhat, became more conservative after he married her. other families have said that change occurred before they were married. >> thanks, jim sciutto. next on gps, an exclusive

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let's get straight to our first exclusive interview of the show. susan rice has been the president's national security advisor for more than two years. before that, she was the u.s. representative of the u.n. the topic of terror was at the top of mind. >> ambassador rice, thank you for joining me. >> great to be with you. >> despair is represent some kind of new heightened level of activity? are you noticing, hearing more chatter or different kinds of plots in. >> with the caveat that i'm not

going to get into intelligence information, i think it's fair to say that we've seen indications for some while that isil has an increasing capability to execute attacks outside of iraq and syria. indeed, if you recall, we saw earlier attacks in brussels, belgium. we saw attempts elsewhere in paris. and then of course in recent weeks we've seen the isil affiliate in the sinai take down the russian aircraft as well as attacks in beirut, lebanon and elsewhere. paris was obviously a particularly shocking and multi-faceted attack. but i think it's in line with what we have seen to be isil's capability that is growing to project violence outside of the iraq and syria theaters. >> is it fair to say that the

president and you, the administration, underestimated isis when calling it a jv team? >> i think, look, we have been on top of the threat since the summer of 2014 when isil made a significant move to take territory in iraq. from that point on, we have acted militarily, but not just militarily. we built diplomatically a coalition of 65 countries. we worked to cut off isil's source of revenue and financing through an active counter financing campaign and now trying to take out their oil production and distribution network. we've tried to counter the flow of foreign fighters into syria and iraq and we've done that in partnership with dozens of countries. >> on those two fronts, would you say you're making process? >> that is to say, the oil revenues, you hear people say we

should be bombing their oil fields. >> we are. we are. >> and on the recruits. it does seem like -- >> i think -- they're certainly continuing to get recruits. there's no question. what is a positive step and this is going to have to be a constant battle is that we are increasingly seeing countries around the world trying to intraaddict their own citizens before they leave and also we see improvements, but by no means sufficient, in countries like turkey which are some of the front line states, cutting off the passage routes for those who have come in from elsewhere. >> hillary clinton says that she thinks the administration's policy towards isis needs to be intensified and in particular, you need to have a no-fly zone and create save havens.

why is she wrong? >> we agree and we are intensifying our strategy and accelerating our efforts with isil. we have been constantly assessing and revising and improving our strategy from the time we began summer of 2014. and well before the events of the last few weeks, we were in the process of deciding, the president did decide to a number of the enhancements that have subsequently been announced, these special operations forces in limited and tactical ways in syria working with the turks to close off the border, the expeditionary targeting force which will allow us to go after targets and collect and take advantage of intelligence. we are doing a number of things that are building on what we have found works. and where we have seen that things don't work, we have let

them -- we've divested them in effect from our strategy. with respect to no-fly zones and safe areas, this is something we have looked at very carefully and repeatedly including very recently. while there are certainly arguments that could be made for the humanitarian benefits, although frankly they are not black and white, and i can come back to that, they are not in our estimation the most effective and approximate thing we can do to counter isil. they're very resource intensive and they don't get to the problem of taking back territory from isil. plus, they require tens of thousands of troops on the ground holding territory if you're going to have a safe zone. >> what do you do about this process of self-radicalization, where isil has the ability through social media propogate

its message and somewhere, somebody in some basement is getting self-radicalized and goes out and kills a bunch of people? >> that's a very real challenge and it's one that preceded isil. and i presume it will be one that will endure beyond isil and its defeat. what isil has done perhaps more effectively than some of its predecessor organizations is utilize social media in a very intoxicating message that has attracted a significant number of foreign fighters. the other thing that's attracted significant numbers of foreign fighters is this myth tholggy of the caliphate. one of the reasons why we're focusing a great deal of effort and attention as a coalition on shrinking the space that isil controls and ultimately

defeating them in that space is substantially to deal with the attractiveness to some extremists of the concept of the caliphate. so this is going to have to be a multi-faceted, and it is a multi-faceted endeavor. it's going to take time and success is not going to be linear. it's going to have to be substantially focused in iraq and syria, but not exclusively because we are seeing isil evolve in other parts of the world. i discussed our effort to address it in places like libya, but we're also working to address it in places like nig nigeria where boko haram has taken up the isil mantle. next, i will ask ambassador rice about the united states' strained relations with vladimir putin and russia and just what was vladimir putin saying to her

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back now with susan rice. she is president obama's national security advisor.

listen in. >> there's this photograph of you, president obama, vladimir putin and i assume a translator huddled around a coffee table in a hotel at the g20 meeting. what was he saying to you? >> well, it was an extended conversation of almost a half hour. we were talking about these very issues of what needs to happen to move forward in syria. >> do you think he has the same -- does russia have the same interests as the united states in that conversation? did you get a sense? >> no, we don't have identical interests obviously. there are some overlapping interests. but there are some divergences as i just described. so the challenge is can we maximize our area of overlapping interest. for example, we think the russians do share an interest

ultimately particularly following the experience with their aircraft in weakening isil. however, they're investing primarily at this point in propping up assad. they think that the way to fight isil is to have a strong government in damascus under assad. we think the way to fight isil is to have a legitimate government and we think assad by virtue of kill iing hundreds of thousands of his own citizens has lost all legitimacy. he has to go. and there needs to be a population who are sunni in syria feel that they have an opportunity to govern, not exclusively, but pro posh national to their population if that's how they choose to vote. so the challenge is not so much

in terms of agreeing on the ends. it's agreeing on the means. and we still have some significant differences on the means. president's been very clear. he would welcome russia playing an effective role in going exclusively after isil. unfortunately, russia is going a little bit after isil, but mostly going after other elements of the opposition that directly threaten the assad regime. >> final question. in the last year, you've had what studies seem to show is a 50% increase in the number of deaths through international terrorism. you have russia not just in the middle east, but in ukraine, refusing to abide by the terms of the cease-fire. you have boko haram, as you pointed out. does the world feel more dangerous to you than when you began your job as national security advisor to the president? >> i don't know if it feels more dangerous, but it's certainly unsettled and we're dealing with

some very significant threats, as we've been discussing throughout the course of the interview. but i think also there's more to what's going on in the world than -- than the instability and the terrorist threat, as important and as critical as that is. the united states has been dealing with a number of leadership challenges. and in every instance, even as we're dealing with these approximate threats, we're trying to exert leadership in a way that makes the world more safe. we have led the world where we are hoping to get to in paris with respect to combatting climate change. it was the united states staking out ambitious targets. this led to 180 nations around the world putting forward very significant commitments that taken collectively will have a significant impact on climate

change. it was the united states who brought the world together to deal with the ebola epidemic in west africa. while that's something we'll have to always be vigilant about, what could have been a massive global health challenge is now largely snuffed out. that was u.s. leadership. we have led the world to come to agreement with iran to ensure that iran does not acquire a nuclear weapon. something that will keep our allies in the region and all of us internationally far safer. we've executed an historic opening to cuba which ends 50 years of a failed policy. sofa reed, around the world, even as we're having to deal with significant challenges of the sort we've been talking about primarily, we've also been working to enhance and ensure americans long-term security, whether from pandemic disease or climate change or increasing

economic opportunity through things like tpp. so the challenge is dealing with all these things simultaneously, making sure that we're on top of the threats, but also not losing sight of the opportunities and getting as far as fast as we can on seizing those opportunities. >> susan rice, pleasure to have you on. >> good to be with you. next on gps, why the world should be extremely worried about the direction of one of america's staunchest allies. it is a story that has been flying mostly under the radar. we will bring it to you next. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting every part of it. so while the world keeps searching for healthier we're here to make healthier happen.

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now for our "what in the world segment." the nation of poland is arguably the greatest success story of the eastern european revolutions of the late 1980s and early 1990s. once a basket case, its economy has grown more than any other

country in the entire european union. it's been a model citizen in the eu and a reliable nato ally. events in poland have taken a very ugly turn. at the end of october, the country's right wing law and justice party won a majority in parliament. since then, it embarked on a dizzyingly rapid power grab. in a legally questionable move, the new parliament void the appointments of five judges to the constitutional court so they could be replaced with ones to the party's liking. this is an anti-democratic march in the direction of a dictatorship. they also named a new head of the country's secret services who happened to be given a three-year prison sentence for abusing his previous office. poland's president issued him a

pardon so the appointment could go through. the law and justice party also appears to be bringing back soviet style censorship. a nobel prize winning author banned. the party has reneged on the country's promise to take in thousands of refugees and contributed to anti-immigrant rhetoric that critics say have emboldened dark forces. at one recent rally, people shouted angry chants against migrants. all of this is very troubling and surprising because in recent years, poland has been a rare pillar of stability in europe. over the last decade, its economy grew 50%, the "new york times" points out, and big companies like volkswagen and amazon have made big investments there. the previous ruling party which had been in power for eight years had worn out its welcome

thanks to scandals and bad politics so the electorate chose a new course. observers say that the party leader is really the one in charge. he has expressed admiration for the prime minister of hungary who has curved freedom of expression and controlled his nation with an iron fist. poland appears headed toward ill liberal democracy, a concept i wrote about many, many years ago, and that they have openly embraced. civil liberties and the rule of law are far from guaranteed. if europe is to face down its daunting problems today, it needs a stable poland to lead those battles. let's hope that cooler heads prevail in the crown jewel of

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on friday the 13th of november, terrorists struck the city of light. in paris that night were the members of one of the most

successful rock bands of all time, u2. they were in town for a concert of their own set to be held the next night and to be broadcast by cnn's sister company hbo. but instead of playing their instruments on stage that day, the members of the band laid flowers at the bataclan. u2 will play paris tonight and tomorrow and hbo will hair "u2, innocence and experience" live in paris on monday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. to talk about the significance of that night in paris and its aftermath, i'm pleased to be joined now by bono and the band's guitarist, the edge. hey guys. what was it like to be in paris when these attacks took place? >> yeah, its was obviously awful and chaotic and you immediately

think of who you know, your crew, who's out in the city, that kind of mentality. and then of course we thought about our fellows the eagles of death metal because they were still locked in at that time. >> this was the band playing at the bataclan. >> we tried to help them the next day. tried to find a plane for them to get out and things like that. turns out the best way we could help them was finding them phones. because their phones had been left in the venue and the venue had been sealed off. turns out that was the most useful thing that we did was find them some phones. >> in a way, this was an attack on the kind of life you guys represent, right? >> yeah. >> an attack on rock music, the single largest place where the people died was a rock concert. >> it seemed like the target was culture and every kind of expression of the best of

humanity. you know, music, restaurants, french food, everything that was -- that we hold dear seemed to be the target. of course, france is also -- it's the birth of the enlightenment movement which gave birth to america. it's like the place where the modern western world was born. so i think the thing that we have to hold onto now in the aftermath, we are not wrong. the instinct to start doubting, you know, these values and these ideas, it's like we're right. we're right. and that's why we're so determined to get back to paris as soon as we can. >> did you think about even playing the next day? was it even possible? >> we of course hoped we could play the next day. then it dawned on us just how serious it was. >> actually, we didn't have a choice. within a few hours of the

problems starting, we were given word by the city that they were shutting down all events. >> it wasn't even our decision. >> no. >> we were very determined to get back there as quick as we can. paris is a very romantic city, and you know, the essence of romance is defiancdefiance. defiant joy is the theme of our band and rock 'n' roll. celebrating all the things we love, food, soccer. trying to destroy those things. they don't like women. what else is there? music, women. so we really -- and we sense that defiance in paris. the word from our fans is -- i think it was 300 tickets not taken -- something really small figure. >> for the rescheduled show. >> and there are probably people

coming from other continue neec >> everyone who could have been there -- >> is showing up. >> you remember right after the attacks, a guy brings out his piano and starts playing "imagine." we showed that clip on tv. and you sent me a nice e-mail about it. i saw a couple people write articles saying, how hopeless is this? is that the response to terrorism, music? i take it you think that is a response to terrorism. >> that's poetry in music. and humor. three things -- all fascist organizations are afraid of human. that's why hitler outlawed the doubtests and surrealists. when you unseat that energy and that feminine energy of playing music is beautiful. think about the idea of

outlawing music. a child sings before it can speak. it's the very essence of our humanity. >> there's only been a couple of political movements in the history of the world that have targeted music specifically. the taliban banned music and during a cultural evolution, also music was banned. we think of music as the sound of freedom. we think that rock 'n' roll has a part to play. going back to paris to us is not just symbolic. i think we're actually starting the process of resistance as it were and defiance against this movement. >> the concert you're doing is really about innocence and experience. it's about fgrowing up in irelad in a time in which you had political violence, terrorism, religious struggle. when we come back, i want to ask bono and the edge to talk about

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>> just growing up. >> so when you see yourself back in this world, i mean, what does it make you think? >> yeah. you know, the theme of the show, people were saying, are you rewriting the show for paris, and we thought, actually, it wouldn't change that much. it almost looks like it was written for paris post the attacks because it's about the loss of innocence through violence, whether it's domestic violence or institutional or, you know, paramilitary violence. and there's a song called "raised by wolves" halfway through the concert which documents a coordinated bomb attack, three bombs went off in dublin, and 33 people killed, and on any friday night i would have been standing that the was stop right in the epicenter of it. but there was a bus strike and i cycled to school. and a friend of mine did not escape. he survived, but his life has changed and is still changed by

it. you know, we came from paris, from all this chaos to where belfast, we were playing some shows in belfast. we came to the peace and quiet of belfast, and there is a lesson in peacemaking. you know, people think that peace comes from holding hands and sort of wishful thinking, but actually peace is a dream you have while you're awake. peace is like pulling teeth. it's tiny victories, small steps, a brutal peace, actually. a lot of compromise but taken to get peace in ireland. but it was there, and u2 is the smallest part of the gig. it was like the city of belfast celebrating itself. but it gave me real encouragement for other so-called intractable conflicts. >> "sunday, bloody sunday," your song -- ♪ sunday, bloody sunday -- a lot of people wonder, were you condemning the ira? you know, when you continue

toron -- confront that kind of thing and use music to respond to it, what are you saying? >> most importantly it's against violence as a tool for mix of any kind. and our experience in ireland bore that out. peace broke out, as bono describes, through dialogue, through compromise, when people actually start down and started to realize that they had a common -- common goal for their -- the aspirations of the people they remitted. there was far more to be gained by getting together than by continuing in the same cycle of violence and suspicious and mistrust. so that is is theme of that song is that violence can never create a meaningful solution to anything. >> again, there are similarities here about how christianity and being abused as, indeed, it had by the crusaders. if you think about it a thousand years ago, they were doing what

these islamists are doing now, which is a perversion of their faith. islam -- sorry -- it means surrender, not attack. and beautiful thoughts venner to god. idea of taking up arms for god is the distortion of it. and that's what "sunday, bloody sunday" was doing, was po oiintt the cross and easter and christ laying down his life for his brothers rather than taking lives. >> you also must have seen what the effect of various kinds of responses to terrorism were, because the way the british responded to a lot of ira attacks often seemed to play into the ira's hands. >> well, of course, but it wasn't just in ireland. when there was bombings in britain, i remember an instance outside birmingham where there were roadblocks, vigilante roadblocks, and people with an irish accent, you know, got hurt because they must be now part of this conspiracy. this is the thing to really watch for here in the united

states and around the world. you know, the islamic extremists, particularly isis, have a hand book and they talk about the gray zone. that's their enemy. and it's the commonplace where we get on very well. and so they seek to destabilize that. then they've won. it's not just -- they're not really after the lives. they're not trying to take lives. they're trying to take away our way of life. so watch this in the united states. be very, very careful. this idea of we'll only take christian refugees, this is not the american idea. i'm always saying this, you know, reminding people that america is not just a country. it's an idea. but it's actually a french idea, as you were saying. it's a moment to refocus on our values, your values amend they're sacred values, and watch people who call themselves american. i understand the overreaction.

i understand fear. you understand nervousness and security concerns. but particularly on refugees, i think there's 12, maybe it's even 5 state agencies involved in a 24-month -- yeah, and checking. think of your great refugees. think of madeleine albright. think of einstein, steve jobs' dad was a syrian not refugee but -- irish people. we are -- by the way, refugees probably is the right word for us because we were running from nothing. to where? to these united states. this great place. and if they change the nature of the united states and the way people think, the pluralism, ip collusiveness, then they win. don't let them win. >> bono, the edge, thank you guys so much for being here. >> pleasure. >> thank you. >> always a pleasure. thanks for being such a voice of reason.

>> don't miss u2, innocence and experience, live in paris on hbo monday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. thanks for to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. hello, everyone. welcome. i'm fredricka whitfield. we are following two breaking stories right now. the father of san bernardino killer syed rizwan farook, tells an italian newspaper that his son shared the ideology of isis leader al baghdadi. but first we're also just six hours away now from president barack obama giving a rare address to the nation on terrorism from the oval office. this comes at very crucial time, three weeks after the terror attacks in paris and just four days now since the mass shooting in san bernardino, california. investigators have evidence those attacks may have been indeed inspired by