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zplnchts tonight tonight the groench of california in his first interview says unprecedented steps are needed to combat terrorism. >> when you need the victims as i did in san bernardino, you talk to them, ordinary people getting shot. it's a horrible experience. >> also ahead, the front pages and the political fallout. the terror attacks here in america and in france discussed.
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good evening, everyone. welcome to the program. the day after the president did something he rarely does, address the nation from the oval office. it's only the third time for mr. obama, and in the urgent matter of a threat in the united states. terror and easy access to weapons of war made clear when two people shot people in california. dominating are presidential campaign, leading republican donald trump accused by "the new york times," no less, of mccarthy like prejudice against muslim americans. the president says the current
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threats must not turn americans against fellow americans. >> we cannot turn against one another by letting this fight be defined as a war between america and islam. it's our responsibility to reject proposals that muslim americans should somehow be treated differently. when we travel down that road, we lose. >> the president also call for the stronger measures against assault weapons and their rapid fire magazines. even unlikely can candidates are beginning to take a stand on the gun issue. and we'll drill down on all of that later in the program. first of the governor of california jerry brown. he says unprecedented steps are needed. he joined need from the cop 21 summit in paris. >> welcome to your program. >> thank you glad to be here. >> let me ask you your reaction
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to president obama's speech in the wake of the shooting in your state. >> it's pretty obvious that if the congress can't ban guns from something they wouldn't allow on an airplane, that makes no sense at all. and of course there's a risk of americans turning against one another. we're already there on a partisan level. he made a call to the nation. i think it's unfortunate that these candidates have to politicize that. i can tell you, when you meet the victims as i did, you talk to them, just ordinary people, getting shot, just a few feet away. it's a horrible experience, and it's not about a party, and it's not an occasion for candidates to try to score points. i think it's about what can america do to combat something that's not just bullets, but it's ideas. and this is quite a challenge for the president, but for america. >> governor, let me ask you.
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you brought up the partisan nature. that's very much in the spotlight here in the united states. a lot of criticism has been directed at donald trump, the republican candidate, and, for instance, about syrian refugees and about his comments about muslims, databases, and the like. first and foremost, how is this going to affect the ability to bring syrian refugees into the united states, do you think? >> well, i think it's going to make it more difficult yrn, ands very understandable. after san bernardino, people are concerned. and i, myself, would want to make sure that the federal government is vetting these individuals, and not just refugees, because we have to be able to take measures to protect the people in this country, and the it's a very difficult circumstance, because we've never seen anything like it. it's unprecedented, and we're going to have to take steps
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zblc. >> what sort of unprecedented steps? refugees get vetting and pi so many departments, homeland security is just one of them. >> for one, i'd like to see more collaboration between the federal government and state authorities. here in california, we have throughout assessment sceptecen and we work closely with the fbi. i brought this up on a call with the white house. i'm as concerned as anybody else, and i think we just can't rest until we get it right. >> how did the white house respond to that? >> i think they took it under consideration, and then after i heard they were looking for ways that the governors would be in the loop. look, we're looking for a needle in a hay stack. these people who through their own self-conversion or things they learned in pakistan or saudi arabia or somewhere, they
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developed ideas that turned into lethal hostility. they become human torpedos, and we have to be able to, the best we can, identify this. >> of course, your state is number one in gun control, and yet this happened in your state. because these guns, while they may have been bought legally are used loopholes, modifies illegally. do you believe there needs to be stricter gun controls to lock up these loopholes and prevent them from being exploited? >> i would say the first thing is for other states and for the federal government to catch up with california. we have among the strictest gun regulations in the country. and it doesn't do us that much good if other states and the federal government is basically passive in this effort to keep guns out of the wrong hands. but certainly when they have these big magazines that
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generate all these shots, yeah, i'll take a good look at that, but most important is for the congress to get off their partisan seat and do something to protect the american people when it comes to gun control. >> "the wall street journal" has been saying that these guns were equipped with a bullet button, and they also point out and so do other newspapers that in 2013 you vetoed a bill that sought to ban the sale of weapons with detachable magazines. >> that was an overbroad bill. you know, you follow legislation. the devil is in the details. that bill did some good things, but it went too far with respect to collectibles, with respect to activities on a firing range, and we have taken an aggressive approach, but it isn't just ban everything.
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we're trying to balance all the interests here, and protect the public safety of california, and i don't take a backseat to anyone in pursuing that objective. >> we're talking to you in the middle of a climate conference. you come from a state which has been buffetted by the environment. what is your hope? what are the challenges now as we go into week two of what everybody is calling this last ditch summit? >> my hope is that they come out of this cop 21 with a substantive agreement. i believe it can be and probably will be more far reaching than anything before. i think this paris conference has put climate change on the map like never before. there was a lot of parts of denial. and this conference bringing so many people together, i think has raised the profile,
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increased the possibility, and the probability of real action. but the action required is far more reaching than anything you can figure out in the next week or so. what's important is to get a transparent, accountable, set of measures, and then a review period, hopefully every five years, maybe a little longer where the nations of the world can do the effort required to respond to this existential threat of climate change. >> governor brown, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> and beijing has just issued an unprecedented pollution red alert. next, just as the tide seems to be turning against climate skeptics, we ask is it also turning on gun control, and turning on politicians who appeal to our less better angels. whether the far right in france which just fought a major election victory, or the
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welcome back. the recent terror attacks are now having an impact on the global political landscape. here in the united states for the first time since 1920, "the new york times" has taken out a front page editorial on gun control, and more major media organizations are taking a stand since the california massacre. meanwhile in france, the far right national front has harvested major political hay since the paris attacks on friday, november 13th, scoring a stunning victory in this weekend's regional elections. to discuss that, one of the most renowned french broadcasters, and with me here live onset, co-host of the radio program, on the media. thank you both for joining me. let me turn to brooke first. we have a host of front pages regarding this whole gun situation. the daily news, a prominent
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periodical here in new york, "the new york times," as i said, have started to say enough is enough in whatever language. do you believe that this is a turning point? >> a turning point for the media or? -- >> that's a good question. >> -- or for america. the problem with guns is mostly people don't stand with the nra. even nra members in a recent poll found that something like 70% of the nra doesn't represent their views in enforcement of gun control and other issues. so you have a different debate happening on capitol hill than you're having in the country, than you're having in the media. >> do you think the media has a push effect at all or not? >> well, on the people they need to push, i actually don't. the rhetoric is rhetoric of fear. what happened in san bernardino doesn't change that rhetoric. i mean, the only thing that actually created a push for gun
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control in recent memory was back in 1968 when well disciplined young men embracing their second amendment rights, the black panthers, marched on sacramento, and suddenly, california passed one of the nation's most stringent gun laws. that was ronald reagan. >> what brooke talked about, the rhetoric of fear, do you think that that, especially after the paris attacks, christine, is what propelled marie lapen to the victory in regional elections? >> oh, yes, i believe it has certainly helped her, but you have to realize that the far right here in france has been increasing over the years. and maria lapen has tripled the
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results of her compadre compared to her father who was the founder of the party. of course, the terrorist attacks have helped her, you know, much more than anybody else. although, the frujts pench pres has had his personal ratings go up. >>. >> it seems to be the case here at least in the republican presidential campaign. with donald trump defying many people's expectations by staying on top as long as he has. >> right. history does not tell us yet that donald trump has broken the mold in this regard. i mean, giuliani who ended up with one delegate stayed in the top of the polls for three months or more. i think donald trump is maybe going into four or five months. it's also a fact, if you speak
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to pollsters, that people further away, when asked who they're going to vote for in november like to tweak the pollsters, especially if they're robo pollsters, and also when they don't have as much of a stake, they get much more conservative as the deadline approaches. so it doesn't necessarily mean anything. we're done with donald trump where he's breaking the mold in his ability to lie unchecked. >> we're going to drill down on that. "the new york times" has taken him to task on that. they've said he applies lies. i want to play a sound bite where he's talking about muslims and very divisively. >> i antwant a database for tho coming in. i also insist on a wall. they're going to make it so big. that's why we're going to held because we're so politically
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incorrect. such a big deal. such a big deal. i want surveillance of certain mosques. okay? if that's okay. i want surveillance. >> let me talk to you both, actually, brooke first since you're right here. what about the media's responsibility in first and foremost the substance has been likened to mccarthy, database, rounding up the other, the so-called enemy. but also the platform with which he and maybe marie lapen are given for their facts. >> obviously, it's the job of the media to speak truth to power or to aspiring power. when he says things that are factually wrong, we ought to challenge them, and we don't. we have a sense of self-consciousness that makes us want to appear to be objective, even if it produces the truth, and so you'll create a false balance. you're allowed to say something.
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someone else is allowed to say something, and you have to lie before you're called out, and usually you as a candidate may feel shame, but he doesn't. that's where he breaks the mold. >> is that the case with lapen breaking the mold because the media is not doing its due diligence? >> well, no. there's a major difference. donald trump makes people laugh. marie lapen doesn't. and lapen is aggressive toward the media, and the media has been very uncomfortable with dealing, first of all, with her dad, and now with her. but there's a point where as long as a political party is not illegal and the full national has never been declared illegal, we, the media have to deal with her. >> well, christine, brooke, we'll be covering a lot more of
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this hopefully with you. there's another election round two in france next weekend. thank you both for joining us. back to isis. it seems to be morphing after the group attack in paris. the couple who went on the rampage in san bernardino and this weekend, london shouting this is for syria. one witness, a muslim was heard shouting at the attacker, you ain't no muslim. it went viral spreading from twitter to train stations and to the highest office in the land. >> some of us have dedicated speeches and media appearances and sound bites and everything to this subject, but you ain't no muslim brov said it more than anything could. thank you. that will be applauded around the country. >> after a break, we look back,
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cop 21 climate summit enters the final stretch in paris. this weekend astronauts released a message to encourage world leaders negotiating here on planet earth. >> it's an honor for us to be with you today. your actions during this important meeting will send a message to the world on how we regard the future of our home planet. >> the views of space is just breathtaking and at the same time, we recognize deforestations and wide fires.
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>> the one thing we all wish, though, is that groups like yours could be holding your meeting today in space with the beautiful horizon to horizon view of our planet as your back drop. it would be an awe inspiring distraction, but nothing more important to reinforce the significance of what you're doing there today. [ speaking foreign language ] >> and all of us on the space station wish you good luck and great success. whether you're a government, a business, a university, or an individual, you can make a difference. >> thank you. ♪ >> and that is it for our program tonight. remember, you can always watch our pod cast online, twitter and facebook. thanks for watching. good-bye from new york.
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a warm welcome back to our vil around rosemary church. >> and i'm errol barnett. here are the top stories. donald trump is calling for a total pan on all muslims entering the united states. the republican previously has called for a registration database and surveillance and possibly closure of some u.s. mosques. rival candidates reject his new proepsl. >> the fbi says the couple that murdered people a
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