chairman in all three states, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, all condemning donald trump's remarks. >> we're out of control. we have no idea who's coming into our country. >> reporter: it may be the most controversial comment yet, blocking the muslims from coming into the united states. >> we have no idea if they love us, hate oregon want to bomb us. >> reporter: as a gop rival slams the plan as outrageous, divisive and offensive. trump touted it to a cheering crowd last night. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> reporter: trump warning without such measures, which even include blocking tourists, more terror attacks would occur.

>> we can't live like this. it's going to get worse and worse. you're going to have more world trade centers. >> reporter: trump's proposal, panned by nearly everyone in the gop field. senator lindsey graham calling it downright dangerous, jeb bush tweeting donald trump is unhinged, carly fiorina, deeming it an overreaction to the tragic attack in california. >> donald trump always plays on everyone's worst instincts and fears and saying we're not going to let a single muslim into this country is a dangerous overreaction. >> reporter: new jersey governor chris christie dismissing the idea as naive. >> this is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don't know what they're talking about. >> reporter: joining the course of condemnation be with the council on american islamic relations. >> it is reckless and simply unamerican. donald trump sounds more like a leader of a lynch mob than a great nation like ours. >> reporter: but offering a more

muted reaction, texas senator ted cruz, as he battles trump for conservative voters in iowa. >> well, that is not my policy. we need a commander in chief who is focused on keeping this nation safe. and the way to do so is focusing, in particular, on radical islamic terrorism, which is exactly what i intend to do. >> reporter: now, this proposal plays to the fear, the mistrust and even to the hate that trump supporters are feeling right now. it's the kind of thing that could actually move his numbers higher among conservatives in iowa. but it's difficult to see how you carry rhetoric like this into a broader electorate and into the general election. chris, alisyn? >> sara, i think it's fair to say how you carry this rhetoric anywhere. i think we're having a moment here in this election. please stay with us, my friend. let's bring in mr. matt lewis as well as jeffrey lourd and

f.o.t., friend of trump, jeffrey lourd, we start with you. is there any way to make this okay? it seems to be a rejection that everything is that is america. >> you know, chris, i am utterly astounded here. franklin roosevelt passed or signed presidential proclamations 2525, 2526 and 2527 and successively, they called, i'm quoting directly, alien germans, alien italians, alien japanese. i am not talking about the business of rounding up the japanese and japanese-americans and putting them in interment camps. i am talking about declaring every alien resident of the united states who was born somewhere else, either of any of those three nationalities above the age of 14, they had to register in this country, they were stripped of their

naturalization proceedings. they had to register. they had to -- they were not allowed to move beyond five miles of where they lived. >> yes. >> they were not allowed to have cameras, short wave radios, flashlights -- in other words, we have -- >> jeffrey, i think your point is -- >> we have been here before. >> during world war ii. >> if we're going to rewrite history, that's fine but we need to focus on the fact that franklin roosevelt was donald trump on steroids. >> during world war ii these measures were taken but we're not at war with muslims. >> yes, we are at war, alisyn. >> no, we're not. we're not at war with muslims. that's the wrong message. >> radical islam. we have 14 people dead in a conference room for attending a christmas party. >> do you make no distinction between the billions of muslims and radical islam? do you make no distinction? >> we are at war with radical islam. >> right. so why ban all muslims from

entering the u.s.? >> we're at war. we are at war. >> matt lewis, how do you take this? do you see it the way jeffrey lord does, there's a functional equivalency between being against radical islam or islamism, all muslims, and that makes this okay? >> there's a great book called "liberal fascism." by jona goldberg. guess what, fdr was not a good president. fdr did a lot of horrible things, including the interment of japanese. as a conservative, i don't know why we'd raise him up on high as some sort of a model. fdr was a horrible president. we should be looking to reagan or lincoln or something first of all. what donald trump is suggesting here is unamerican. it's unworkable. it's unconstitutional. it's unconscionable. i can't believe a conservative would recommend doing such a thing. >> sara? go ahead, jeffrey. you may respond.

hold on, sara. >> jeffrey, what's your response? >> my response is, then let's shut down the fdr memorial in washington. let's -- you guys that live in new york, let's rename fdr drive. the fact of the matter ask, the consensus, i agree with some of what matt has said here about franklin rose vet. we're in the minority here. >> sara, let's bring you into this. there's a reach going on here. jeffrey is an intelligent guy, politically savvy guy. he's trying to tie measures against foreign sovereigns that the united states was at war with to islam and muslims itself. what's going to happen with this itself? >> radical. >> you're making the functional equation, jeffrey, you've got to own it. >> this is a blatant proposal for donald trump to try to win over core conservatives in iowa. this is not being recommended by security experts or something that's particularly workable.

experts, constitutional scholars say you would not be able to do this. security experts say this wouldn't be beneficial. it would further alienate us further from leaders of the muslim-american communities. this puts a further separation and like you said, chris and alisyn, it does not differentiate between radical islamic terrorists and muslims at large. it's pretty clear donald trump looks at this as a shrewd play to try to win over conservative voters which is particularly potent at a time when, yes, our cnn/orc poll shows trump leading in iowa. another monmouth poll shows trump losing in iowa. >> some of this was based on a poll that donald trump cited, some experts say this is a widely flawed poll, by the center for security policy by someone who has been classified as an islam-ophobe.

it doesn't define jihad as we know. it has many different definitions. 41% say yes. 41% say no. 13% don't know what the question is. 6% couldn't answer it. by the way, that adds up to more than 100 but -- either way, the point is, he's cherry picking. he's decided he has this feeling about muslims and he's cherry picking and he's doing this thing where he sort of equates jihad and sharia with terrorism. he's just using the most broad brush strokes. is this helpful, jeffrey? >> you know, i mean, i just disagree with the premise, alisyn. i mean, we're at war with radical islam. it's not, you know, a bunch of congregationalists who walked in there in san bernardino or who were on the streets of boston. >> then you target the extremists. you don't target all of them,

jeffrey. you know that. this is inherently anti-muslim. you can't look at it another way. you can't say a blampgette ban of an entire people is anything other than exclusionary. i don't care about the fdr analogy. it's a clever distraction but not helpful. >> you have to learn from it. >> no. that's the point, jeffrey. jeffrey, let me cut you off for a second. matt lewis, he just made the proper point. we should from it, even if fdr did those things, why would we want to engage in an exclusionary practice that does nothing but make the problem worse. >> i think fdr made a mistake. he did some things right but he did a lot of things wrong. we should learn from history and not repeat it. i think this is ted cruz is winning in iowa according to some polls. this is a cynical move. >> you think cruz came out against this? >> ted cruz has a different

proposal. he's not as forceful in condemning this but ted cruz does not support this. he is winning in iowa. donald trump wants to get himself back in the news cycle. let me say, aside from the potential international implications that this could have, this also really messes up things if you're a republican, right? i was on this show yesterday talking about barack obama's horrible speech at the oval office. that's what i want to be talking about. that's what republicans want to be talking about. >> not today. >> instead now we're talking about donald trump, which is what he wants us to be talking about. >> that's the point her republicans have been making to me as well. congress is in session right now and this is a question that everyone is being asked in the hallway, if you are a senator in a tough re-election site, you are being asked to respond to donald trump wanting to block all muslims from traveling to the u.s. >> last thoughts, jeffrey. >> i mean, he's saying just pause. rand paul is say something version of this with people from the middle east. for heaven's sake let's just

know who's coming in the country. that's not some sort of crazy thing. >> it's true. you're right. >> we have, again, 14 people dead here. let's just make sure we know. >> you're right, jeffrey. you just don't want to compound their death, their loss with something that makes us worse. that is not honoring the legacy of the lost. you know that. >> i'll strip that fdr memorial and get it off the mall. >> you go any direction you want. i tell you this, i appreciate you coming on the show. always good to have you, matt lewis, sara murray as well. appreciate it. >> thank you. the man we're discussing needs to defend this proposition. he will as well. donald trump will be here, making the case for closing the doors to america for muslims. and he will be tested. next hour. mick? all right. on to news now. new details emerging about the husband and wife that carried out last week's attack in san bernardino. federal investigators say syed

was want farook and tashfeen malik. we have the latest, substantial developments, dan. >> reporter: investigators say no question, both of these shooters were radicalized, in the days before the shooting, they went to a shooting range. the implication is that they were practicing their aim. in addition, we've learned that authorities recovered 19 pipes used to make bombs. we can see what those look like, a picture from cbs news originally, the number that was given was 12. this has become a massive investigation. 320 pieces of evidence collected, 400 interviews have taken place. this is how the fbi is characterizing the shooters. >> as the investigation has progressed, we have learned and believe that both subjects were radicalized and have been for fight some time. now, how did that happen? the question we're trying to get

at is how did that happen and by whom and where did that happen? and i will tell you right now, woe don't know those answers at this point. >> reporter: the fbi says it is working with foreign counterparts to build out profiles. one question that has emerged is whether this couple received any financing and in a chilling twist, we know that farook's colleagues a year ago received some active shooter training in the very same room where the shooting took place. it's not clear if farook participated, but another chilling twist. >> so many questions, including that financing as you speak, dan. thanks so much for that report. mean while, two terror leaders confirmed killed in separate u.s. air strikes in somalia and libya. the pentagon says a strike last week in somalia took out a senior leader of al shabaab and two associates. u.s. officials also say a strike last month in libya killed a top isis figure. the first u.s. operation targeting an isis leader in libya. an air france flight

overnight bound to paris was diverted to montreal following an anonymous threat. the plane, all 246 on board all okay. the plane landed safely. officials are not commenting on the exact nature of the threat. just last month, two air france flights from the u.s. to paris had to be diveverted because of bomb threats. 25-year-old ronald johnson's case is getting renewed attention after video showed questionable tactics in the shooting of another black teen. but a chicago police review board says newly released dashcam video justifies the officer's action in the new case, because it appears to show johnson holding a gun as he is shot in the back while running from police. >> as you heard, outrage from both sides of the aisle after donald trump calls on the u.s. to ban all muslims from entering the country. now, muslim-americans are speaking out.

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donald trump proposal to ban all muslims from entering the u.s. american muslims are watching this issue closely and greeting trump's comments with plenty of concern and push back. let's bring them in faroon mogul, a senior correspondent at religion dispatches.org. and saudia kolik is with the us as well. what did you think when you heard trump's statement?

>> thank you for having me here. it's unconstitutional, unamerican and not what you would expect a president to say, a future president to say. because he's attacking the bill of rights which opposed the freedom of religion. it's also dangerous. >> how? >> dangerous because you see we forget the correlation between statements like this, anti-muslim statements which lead to an increase in hate crimes. you're seeing muslims being attacked as a result of these where young people, average americans, are coming out and utilizing i support trump or i support the fact that muslims need to be deported. >> have you seen that more? >> yes, we have. since paris we've seen a lot of attacks on young muslim women. just recently this weekend we saw a young man being attacked and also a store owner being attacked, assaulted and called by the attacker. >> what is it like to be a muslim today. >> it's under siege.

that's the feeling, terrorists are attacking us, all of us. one of the victims in the san bernardino shootings was a muslim. donald trump's rhetoric goes into that direction when he says things like you should kill the families of terrorists or ban all muslims from entering the country. it's in effect saying all of you are responsible for this. at the same time, if that's not bad enough, groups like isis are at war with the world's muslims because we reject their ideology, refuse their caliphate. >> trump is using words that are confusing and sometimes scary to americans who are not muslim. he's saying jihad, sharia. he uses them almost synonymous with extremism. what don't americans understand when they hear sharia and jihad? what should americans know about how american muslims practice these things? >> i think it's important to know that american muslims are your average americans. to identify them or discriminate

them by words such as terrorism or jihad or all us the other, is, if anything, a way to scapegoat us. americans are your average firefighters, police officers, teachers, we're in your schools and colleges, just like any american standing up against terrorist attacks. >> donald trump supporters tend to agree with him when he says provocative things. his poll numbers tend to go up. here's just a sampling of how people, his supporters, responded after he made these comments yesterday. listen to this. >> that's a prudent idea and i think that he's done due diligence when he makes that statement. we have to protect our american citizens first. and the vetting process in the whole program lacks integrity. >> he's just saying no muslim should be allowed to enter the country right now. you agree? yes or no. it's that simple. >> yes. >> how do you break through his messaging to get to average people and say just what saudia

just said? >> look at how security basically becomes a cover, an idea for racial purity. when it came to mexicans which is only a few months ago, he said they're rapists, murders, then he proposes a wall, talking about deporting huge number of americans and their families. on all these different issues muslims are the latest in this wave where he's going everywhere from anti-semitic to anti-latino. he wants to privilege one kind of american and anyone else that doesn't fit that category is here on a probationary basis ws not just muslims. >> manufacture his gop rivals have come out and condemn what he said. let me read to you what marco rubio said, i did i guess with donald trump's latest proposal. his habit will not bring americans together.

the next president better be somebody who can unite our country to face the great challenges of the 21st century. are you heartened to hear of the other republican rivals coming out against it? >> the key word is unity. we have to understand in order to combat any form of terrorism or any act of violence, we have to stand united. that's, again, the american principles. american muslims stand with all faiths and all politicians who are supportive of muslims and their rights and advocating for americans. we have to stand united and remember tolerance in the time, the crisis we are facing right now. >>en staded united, does there need to be a march on washington? does there need to be some sort of visible symbol of combatting this in your mind? >> from the muslim community? >> yes. >> this is a debate that's really happening right now. where a lot of people are asking what more can we do? unfortunately one of the realities is we feel like being out in public might make us targets. there's this frustration you've got these extremists hiding from

their own families. we wonder what can we do about this? as we fight this rhetoric, it's a slow battle and it's go inge to take time to produce results. in the meantime, we feel honestly a little bit like we're torn between people who assume we can't be american and then people who assume we can't be muslim. >> i understand. we really appreciate you being so candid and having this conversation with us this morning. we're hoping that it helps. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. let's get over to michaela. new details about the couple that carried out the san bernardino attacks. investigators say they practiced at a local gun range between the massacre. did they have help in carrying out that attack? also, ahead in our next hour, donald trump will join us live. he'll be pressed about his controversial plan to ban all muslims from entering the country. and surprise! those seats sometimes cost a ridiculous number of miles,

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new information coming out of the investigation of the san bernardino massacre. the terrorists had a much longer history of extremism than previously thought.

they were frequent visitors to a local gun range. what does this mean about our knowledge of radicalization? we have phil mudd, a former cia counterterrorism official. i would be remiss on not to hit on the day's big headline with you. do you see any justification for a complete muslim ban for any period into america? >> my family came here part of them in the 19th century, catholics viewed in the 19th century as unacceptable in america. the history of america said the downtrodden come to america, regardless of where they are. the first call if you're president of the united states, is to prime minister cameron. by the way, we're going to ask the mu them to declare their religion. it's not practical. it's not possible. >> let's talk about the san bernardino case. which has scared so many people and brought owl of this to the

fore. these two husband and wife were not radicalized overnight. it was longer than we thought. that should give us comfort that it didn't happen in the flick of a switch, there might have been signs? >> in some ways it gives me more discomfort. i've seen radicalization cases here in europe and also talking in some cases to terrorists in the middle east who happen in a matter of weeks. they're very emotional. they'll see a photo from iraq or something and say i have to do something about this. the length suggests a depth of belief that we see in a lot of cases. they weren't people who were emotional about something that happened in the workplace. they believed this was the right avenue to take to express their political beliefs. this case has so many unusual pieces. >> what stands out to you that's most unusual that you've seen here? >> number one, the lack of additional people that were aware, the lack of connectivity. there is so little in this case to go on for people who have

been radicalized for so long. you would expect a digital trail somewhere. >> they found the smashed cell phones. they know there was a hard drive missing. they'll still hunting and picking a little bit. >> that's true. the lack of information, going into day six of the investigation on a case -- you're talking about hundreds of agents and analysts. remarkable. >> when you hear about this, they were more radicalized, practicing, it smacks of you missed them. is there a case to be made you should have detected these two and you did not. >> i would like to know what's on the cell phones and e-mails. there will be after-actions forever. it's coming and there will be congressional hearings. you look at three threats, who did they talk to? so far people said we didn't know that much. that's starting to change a bit. number two, who did they talk to on the phone? phones are hard to access here. they broke them. who did they e-mail? you're starting to see a little information there, for example, they went out looking for other groups earlier, a group called

al shabaab in somalia, for example, which suggests for some time they were trying to look for a great what would validate what they believe. >> they were terror group shopping? >> if they're shopping, number one, the ideology is not that important. they were looking at groups that oppose isis, looking at al qaeda group. al qaeda and isis don't agree. it also suggests to me in terms of the radicalization question that they radicalized themselves. they were looking for a group to validate what they believed as opposed to the typical cycle you see which is the group says come down this path, join us on a path of radicalization. >> or is the they here a little bit of a defined term. could it be that the wife was radicalized, part of a group, was put into that dating site to troll, founded this guy, radicalized him. there was connectivity at least of purpose coming into it that she turned him? >> i'm not a big conspiracy theorist. they placed her there so she could radicalize him over time. i think it's simpler, emotional

connection between two people increases the likelihood they will join each other down a path. if you're a woman or a man in a relationship like that, you have radical beliefs and you tell your husband, we should do something. the husband says, well, maybe. over the course of months, years, you bounce off each other ideas. you've seen it with the tsarnaev brothers. i don't think the little brother would have acted without the older brother. >> phil mudd, great to have you in the studio. thanks so much for the expertise as always. meanwhile, president obama is coming under some fire for his isis strategy. is he doing enough? to wipe out the terrorists? is it time to ramp up the fight? we're going to ask iraq war veteran, democrat congresswoman te gabbert of hawaii. we'll ask her about donald trump's comment as well before

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donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> people are asking that same question now about donald trump's suggestion. united republicans, party leaders, political opponents all in the notion of rejecting the idea of banning muslims. they say not only is it a bad idea, it may make us less safe. why? let's discuss. democratic congresswoman tulsi gabbert of hawaii, also an iraq war vet who believes our efforts to unseat syrian president assad do more harm than good as well. we'll get to that topic. always good to see you, congresswoman. what do you make of this, the idea of banning muslims? >> good to see you chris, good morning, aloha. it's clear what donald trump is

doing, he's trying to exploit people's fears for his own political purpose. i think it's important to look at where are these fears coming from, these unfunded generalized fear of all muslims. it's coming from failure of leaders in our country to make this distinction between the vast majority of mauslims and this small minority who are embracing this radical ideology also known as islamism. this ideology that is really a totalitarian political ideology that says some form of islam should be the governing doctrine over society or government. so that's why this distinction is so important. >> he says it's a distinction without a difference. he says one can be too many. you can call it islamism if you want but it still has the word islam in it, that means you're dealing with a universe of muslims, let's keep them all out. that's his idea. >> that's a dangerous

perspective to push forward. without that distinction, that is really what is fueling this fear. it's the failure of recognizing and identifying who our enemy is and the ideology that's driving it that brings us to this point where we're seeing these attacks continue. for example, if you look at the shooters in california, if you had recognized that this islamist ideology is what is driving the san bernardino killers, isis, al qaeda, and these different attacks that are taking place, then you would have looked at miss malik. you would have looked at the fact that in the past she's been taught at these madrases. >> right. i understand your point that it triblgs down to the practical

and how you effectuate. america is scared, on many levels apparently acting out of fear. who needs to step up and give the counternotion to what donald trump just said? that's a form of leader ship as well. silence will not fill a vacuum. >> i think it's leaders within the muslim community, absolutely, need to step up and help to make this distinction between the vast majority of muslims who preach and who embrace the ideals of freedom of religion and of tolerance and separation of mosque and state. it's the political leaders here within our own country who need to make that distinction, that clearly differentiates the vast majority of muslims from this minority of islamists who are continuing to push forward this ideology that we find in isis, that we find in al qaeda and that is driving the threat to americans, the united states and

to the west. >> all right. now you are fighting this fight on this level but also a different one as well. that's a little subtle but deserves atension. you're saying the war against bashar al assad, the leader of syria is illegal because no war was declared, which is something that's often ignored in political circles these days but is also counterproductive to fighting isis. how so and what's going on with your bill to stop the assad war funding? >> well, look, chris, just recently secretary kerry said that we could defeat isis in three months if the civil war in syria ended. i gagree with him. this is why i've been advocating to overthrow the syrian government of assad. first, if we allow this to continue and this objective is reached, if assad is overthrown, this will open up the door for isis and al qaeda and these other groups to walk in the front door and increase their

capabilities, their military capabilities, take ownership all of syria and present an even greater threat to the world. secondly, we've got to look at the head-to-head conflict that exists right now between the u.s. and russia, because of this focus on the overthrow of assad. the united states is advocating for the overthrow of the syrian government of assad and russia is working to maintain that goc government. that is putting us at a direct head-to-head conflict with russia that could potentially lead to something very devastating, even a nuclear war or something of a world war consequence. >> keep us informed on what's happening with the bill. it certainly deserves debate in this current climate. tulsi gabbert, thank you very much. >> thanks, chris. worldwide reaction to donald trump's comments, live from the

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donald trump's call to close u.s. borders to all muslims is triggering strong reaction not just here at home but overseas as well. sara sidner is live in istanbul, turkey with that part of the story. reaction from there, sara? >> reporter: yes, the reaction is very strong, whether it's social media, people in the streets, business owners or governments, there has been fight a bit of reaction. everything from calling donald trump a fascist for those kind of ideas saying these kind of ideas only lead to bad things in the end. other people have called it ironic and that's because right here in istanbul, looking over my shoulder, you notice the letters. they do say trump and this is a trump tower and this is a predominantly muslim country. he's okay with taking money from

muslims but not okay with having muslims in the country? his name was licensed. they paid to have his name on the tower. he does not own this building. the reaction from the muslim world, we're hearing from egypt, this is a very influential group in egypt. i want to read you what they have put out and a lot of muslims follow this thinking and the thinking that comes out of this particular group. the egyptian darr al ifta said this, the hostile view of islam and muslims will increase the tension within the american society of which 8 million are muslim. it is unfair for muslims to be collectively punished for the actions of a group of extremists whose criminal activities are rejected by islamic sharia. you're hearing these strong statements. we're not the only one we heard from indonesia. foreign affairs saying things

that this can't be part of the american way which is a country of immigrants. alisyn? >> sara, thanks so much for all of that. meanwhile, donald trump as we know is stirring the pot again. he's calling for a ban on all muslims entering the u.s. so could his comments and sara was alluding to this, somehow end up helping extremism or helping isis? we will examine that, next. do not leave for work yet. our live interview with donald trump to explain his comments is 20 minutes away. en you feel a c, abreva can heal it in as few as two and a half days when used at the first sign. without it the virus spreads from cell to cell. only abreva penetrates deep and starts to work immediately to block the virus and protect healthy cells. you could heal your cold sore, fast, as fast as two and a half days when used at the first sign. learn how abreva starts to work immediately at abreva.com don't tough it out, knock it out, fast. with abreva.

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big political news, donald trump pushing to are a ban on all muslims traveling to the u.s. let's talk about this with the author of radical, my journey out of islamist extremism. he's the co-founder of the quillium foundation. this is his book. his name is majiz nawaz. the quillium foundation is a think tank focusing on integration and religious

freedom. majid, great to have you with us. good morning. >> pleasure. good morning. >> integration and religious freedom, donald trump is not going to be your spokesperson for quillium anytime soon. what do you think of the comments he made on banning all muslims from entering the u.s.? >> alisyn, what i'm more worried about is not the practicality of donald trump's lunatic measures. i think what i'm more worried about are the effects, the implications on his followers, because he's promising them something that for all thoughts and purposes cannot possibly be implemented under the u.s. constitution and violates all forms of international commitments to human rights that america is a signatory to. what i'm more worried about is the anticlimax among donald trump's followers because he's promising them things he cannot deliver. what happens when you do that to people? you radicalize your followers and they end up joining

extremist groups to find solutions you cannot deliver. >> if he's promising them a bill of goods that he never delivers on because we don't have a religious test to get into this country, then what do trump supporters do? what do you mean extremist groups? >> exactly. i work on following and pursuing for the last eight years all i've been doing every day is pursuing the radicalization process, the theo krats, groups like isis. what's with racism as well, when you pump people up and promise them all forms of dreams and utopian visions and populist aims but you can't deliver on those, people become frustrated and take action into their own hands. so it happens on the islamist extremist side. i'm worried with donald trump's promises, this started off as a joke perhaps, i even used to laugh at some of the things he used to said. it's gone beyond that. first he picked on mexicans and he's picking on minority groups. he's come to the muslims.

his followers when he doesn't deliver what he's promised them end up joining fascist or far right groups and take things into their own hands against the 8 million muslims in the united states. we end up with an extremely polarized discourse. it's bad for cohesion. this is a presidential candidate. this is a presidential troll. >> here's another thing donald trump is promising supporters, they will never be prosecuted or even in trouble for any sort of profiling because that's what it takes to shut down attacks like we saw in san bernardino. let me play you that moment from last night. >> we can't beat people that knew what was going on two weeks ago in california probably for months, they knew what was going on and they didn't want to tell anybody. we can't be that. we have to be strong. when we see violations, you have to report those violations and quickly. don't worry about profiling. i will defend you from profiling. i promise.

>> okay. majid, we have less than a minute. does donald trump have a point in that case which is that people should have said things if they saw something suspicious? >> people should have said things not for the reasons he's mentioned. if you see something suspicious, regardless of what the person looks like, report it, ethnic and religious profiling. i've just written a daily beast column on this. i refer your viewers to it. it does not work. it makes isis's job easier. muslims do not look like anything. the female jihadist was pictured in a bikini, yet we have tashfeen malik in a face veil. any expert in the terrorism field know terrorists are diverse. they do not have a profile. if you tell them what to look for at airports, terrorists will look exactly the opposite. it will make their job much easier if we profile. >> you've written why isis loves profiling. people can find it in the daily beast.

great to have you on "new day." >> my pleasure. total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> that's a very prudent idea. >> it is reckless and simply unamerican. >> we are at war with radical islam. >> right. why ban all muslims from entering the u.s.? >> we're at war. >> a total and complete shutdown. >> donald trump joins us live. >> the bigger plot to kill may have been in the works. >> both subjects were radicalized and have been for fight some time. >> i think the right question is did you see behavior that suggested that their lives were changing? >> it's been over a year now that my son been murdered. >> i'm not covering anything up. >> i want the case re-opened. >> the department of justice is coming in. we welcome it, accept it and need it. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. welcome back to your "new

day," everyone. there is fierce bipartisan backlash this morning to donald trump's latest anti-muslim rhetoric. it was a call to ban all muslims from entering the united states in the wake of the san bernardino terror attack. controversy, of course, is nothing new for donald trump but all indication are that this is a level we have not seen yet in this wild campaign. >> now, trump's defense of the plan in part is that it would only be temporary until leaders figure out what the hell is going on. that doesn't help legal experts who say it violates treaties and international law and, therefore, would never fly. that's the practicality. it's become a bigger issue. it's about what is america about. it's galvanizing his base and resistance. what will this mean in the early states in we'll speak live with donald trump. he wants to make the case to you for why this is the right idea. let's begin with cnn political reporter sara murray in washington. sara? >> reporter: good morning, chris. donald trump is facing a wave of criticism in light of his latest proposal and in a rare move, the

republican party leaders in the first three early voting states, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, are all condemning this plan. it gives you a hint of just how much damage party leaders worry. donald trump is doing to the republican party's brand. >> we're out of control. we have no idea who's coming into our country. >> it may be his most controversial proposal yet. donald trump calling for the u.s. to block all muslims from entering the united states. >> we have no idea if they love us or if they hate us. we have no idea if they want to bomb us. >> reporter: as his gop rival slams the plan as outrageous, divisive and offensive. trump touted it to a cheering crowd last night. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

>> reporter: trump warning without such measures, which even include blocking tourists, more terror attacks would occur. >> we can't live like this. it's going to get worse and worse. you're going to have more world trade centers. >> reporter: trump's proposal, panned by nearly everyone in the gop field. senator lindsey graham calling it downright dangerous, jeb bush tweeting donald trump is unhinged, carly fiorina, deeming it an overreaction to the tragic attack in california. >> donald trump always plays on everyone's worst instincts and fears and saying we're not going to let a single muslim into this country is a dangerous overreaction. >> reporter: new jersey governor chris christie dismissing the idea as naive. >> this is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don't know what they're talking about. >> reporter: joining the course of condemnation, the council on american islamic relations. >> it is reckless and simply unamerican. donald trump sounds more like a

leader of a lynch mob than a great nation like ours. >> reporter: but offering a more muted reaction, texas senator ted cruz, as he battles trump for conservative voters in iowa. >> well, that is not my policy. we need a commander in chief who is focused on keeping this nation safe. and the way to do so is focusing, in particular, on radical islamic terrorism, which is exactly what i intend to do. >> reporter: now, donald trump knows exactly what he's doing with these proposals. it plays into the fear, the mistrust and even the hatred that some of his supporters have towards muslims. it's the kind of thing that could boost his poll numbers higher among core conservatives in places like iowa. the real question is, do you want to win iowa or do you want to win the presidency? it's really tough, chris, to see how he could carry proposals like this to a broader electorate and to a general

election and be successful with it. >> strong point. certainly making the case for himself and he'll make it here on the show. >> absolutely, sara. thanks so much. >> let's discuss all this with michael smerconish, cnn political commentator and host of "smerconish." and john king, host of "inside politics." michael i'll start with you. as sara points out, every other time donald trump has most controversial, provocative comments about mexicans, women, his poll numbers have gone up. what happens today? >> i think this is closer to the racial laws imposed by the nazis than the guarded variety demagoguery we've seen in this country epitomized by huey long or george wallace or mccarthy. this transcends everything that has happened up until now. make it's wishful thinking on my part. i find his statements to be racist and ridiculous. there is only one response appropriate and that's for somebody to say to him, have you no decency, sir? >> you just said it.

that is going to be the case against. the case for, john king, is the fear of terrorism and the idea that just one, it only takes one to get through and then you're at risk. >> that is the argument, chris. look, let's be clear. we've been covering donald trump phenomena for some time. he knows what he's doing here. in a crowded republican race in our recent polling, there are 43% of republicans who think the president of the united states is a muslim. 43% of americans think the president of the united states is a muslim. when you can unite bernie sanders and dick cheney, when you can unite people from the far left to the far right saying what you're saying is unamerican, what you're saying is unconstitutional, reckless, to michael's point, what you're saying is probably racist, that's a remarkable achievement when bernie sanders and dick cheney agree in today's politics. mr. trump knows what he's doing. in a crowded republican race, he's playing to that fear, this is across america right now.

he's particularly playing to a piece of the republican party that he knows well. remember he was once the cheerleader for the birther movement. it's cynical but there are some conservatives who think as cynical as it is and reckless that it might be, it might be smart politically. >> isn't it interesting to see who has come out to condemn what he said, as john said, dick cheney says that is unamerican. we don't have a religion test in this country to get in. marco rubio on the campaign trail has been very strong about it. it even seems as though -- chris christie, some of his republican rivals who had a hands-off approach -- >> cruz said it's not his policy. >> but he was more meek, i would say, in terms of condemning it than certainly jeb bush or marco rubio or chris christie. this teams to be beyond the pale for even his republican rivals. >> well, i'm glad that they said what they said in the last 24 hours. frankly, what took them so long? because the handwriting has been on the wall about this guy for

months. and they were all very slow it get on their feet. and i'm sure that the reason that they're motivated today to sara's point is that the gop brand is being crushed by this guy. i'm sure that independents and undecideds look at this and say, wait a minute, he's now drawing a third of the republican vote? what kind of a party has that become? i think to john's point about this playing in a very small room, it's emblematic of what the gop has become. there's been such an exodus of independent thinkers from the party and this is what's left of the core. so finally, it may be the wakeup call that the gop needs. >> that's the answer to your question, is the reason they haven't come after him more aggressive vociferously, he beats their butt when it gets into a verbal jousting. they want his base. this does take us to the current proposition. john king, donald trump said i'm not going to do a third party deal here unless the gop is not

fair to me. do you think he can make the claim that the gop is not fair to him in the wake of comments like this? or is he laying the case for his own dismissal from the party? >> well, you're going to get a chance to ask him in just a few minutes. if you can stand up in america and say i want to ban all muslims from entering the united states, if you can say that, you're part of a democracy, right? why can't the other guy say i disagree with you? i don't know why that's unfair. the voters will decide whether they want donald trump or not. iowa's 50 something days away, new hampshire 60 something days away. he's competitive. in our poll he's leading in both of those states, i believe in our polling and in other polling right now. at least close in iowa. define fairness. he'll be on a debate stage in ten days. i look forward to wolf blitzer handling everybody trying to go after mr. trump on this question. it will be fascinating. he knows what he's doing. he knows what he's doing. right now you have a crowded republican field. they all say i'll lower your

taxes. they all president obama is not good enough. they all say hillary clinton would be a failed obama third term. donald trump is unique among them, 1 of 14. he sets himself aside, this stark contrast. he's in a debate with the president of the united states, with hillary clinton, now with the republican establishment. to a slice of the republican party, you don't need 50% when there are so many candidates, you need 25, 28. 30 will win you a state. without a doubt. right now donald trump is in a debate with the people, the republican base, the angry conservative base dislikes the most. the president of the united states, hillary clinton and the very republican establishment. >> michael, yesterday we had rand paul on, one of his rivals who said something similar but it was just different enough that it didn't get this sort of attention. he said that he suggests a moratorium on any people coming in from the middle east. any new immigration. he said from the whole middle east. okay? he was painting with a wildly

broad brush there. but he didn't limit it to muslims. just anyone from the middle east. so that's also sort of unprecedented suggestion. but somehow donald trump spins it in a way that is even more provocative. >> it's also the poll leader in rand paul's hashmark. you know? it's that, chris but trump said other things like we should kill the family members of isis, keep a data base and so forth. it's in keeping with his character. the other point that needs to be made when you talk about those statements, who's ecstatic today? isis, right? because isis casts this as a religious war. >> a lot of people in this country are happy, too. we're seeing the reaction. last night when this came out, ordinarily, i have a tendency to directly challenge what donald trump does. i've learned that that brings out his supporters. last night i said, well, you know, maybe it offends sensibilities but this is where a lot of people are. they're afraid.

there was a huge wave of rejection to it and only now we're starting to see people say i am afraid. i don't want the muslims here. i think he's going to have his base respond in his favor. the question is, is it enough for him? >> right. >> wait a minute, chris. he's fomented that fear. it's because of statements like guys such as trump or the leadership of the gop. i'm talking about talk radio heads and cable television personalities that's where they get direction, guidance and advice. they created an environment where people are comfortable expressing these sentiments. >> michael, john, thank you for all of your analysis. i know you'll be sticking around and watching chris's interview momentarily, guys. thanks so much. >> donald trump wants to make the case to you as to why this is the right way to go for america right now. he's go inge to make the case here on "new day." stay with us for that. mick? other news to get to here. the fbi says the couple that carried out the san bernardino

massacre were both radicalized for fight some time. how that happened is what investigators want and need to know. there's also evidence that the plan was -- the attack was well planned and even perhaps rehearsed. dan simon is live in san bernardino with the latest for us. dan? >> reporter: well, hi, michaela. investigators say no question, both of these shooters were radicalized and in the days before the shooting they went to a target range ostensively to practice. they found pipes inside the home, 19 pipes. these were used, according to authorities to make bombs. originally they said there were 12. this has been a huge investigation. you're talking about hundreds of pieces of evidence collected, hundreds of interviews have taken place. this is how the fbi is talking about the couple. take a look. >> as the investigation has progressed, we have learned and believe that both subjects were radicalized and have been for fight some time. now, how did that happen? the question we're trying to get

at is how did that happen and by whom and where did that happen? i will tell you right now, we don't know those answers at this point. >> reporter: one key question is whether this couple received any kind of financing and in a chilling twist, we're learning that county employees received some training in terms of what you would do if a shooter actually entered the building. this took place a year ago. it's not clear if farook was part of that training. alisyn? >> dan simon, thanks so much for all of that background. no criminal charges against the chicago police officer who shot and killed ronald johnson 14 months ago. the decision made based on dashcam video of the incident released for the first time. let's go live to chicago and bring in cnn's ryan young with the latest. what did they see on that dashcam video, ryan? >> you can see in that ronald johnson running away from officers. i can tell you there's a lot of people in this community\who are still not sure if that was a gun

in his hand as he was running away. >> reporter: march near the site where chicago police fatally shot 25-year-old ronald johnson in october 2014 protesters called for the cook county prosecutor to step down. alvarez sparking outrage after announcing on monday -- >> i'm not covering anything up. >> reporter: that they will not be charging the officer involved in the shooting. >> the crime cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. >> reporter: police say johnson had a gun, resisted arrest and took off running. the dashcam footage shows johnson running from police before being shot by officer george hernandez, twice in the back. >> i'm very upset that she didn't convict this officer of murdering my son. and i'm not going to stop until i get what i want for him, that's justice. >> reporter: the night of shooting, 911 dispatch began receiving calls about shots fired and seeing men with guns.

>> how many shots did you hear? >> nine, ten. >> there's a lot of suspicious characters running with hoodies on. >> reporter: johnson is seen holing a gun. johns johnson's family repeatedly questioned the officer's claims, demanding the case be re-opened. >> he was unarmed. >> reporter: the justice department prepares to launch a full investigation into the department's use of force. >> we welcome it, accept it and need it. it's in ourself interest as a city. >> reporter: so we know already there are two videos that has the public watching the chicago police department. now there's a third video, from december of 2012. this shows the chicago police department trying to detain a man who was going to be taken to court. there was a struggle. a taser was used. that man would be taken to the hospital. he would die from a reaction to

a drug given to him during his treatment. now people are pointing back to this as another case where they believe there was an abuse of power. that's being looked at as videos are starting to come to light as there's a document showing what's been going on for months here. chris? >> ryan, thanks for the reporting. we'll take a quick break. donald trump, finally gone too far? he says no. maybe not far enough. he wants to make the case to you for why all muslims should be banned from america until we figure out what the hell is going on. is that good enough? watch "new day." decide for yourself. (audio distortion) (splashing) iand quit a lot,t (audio distortion) but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology, helps prevent the urge to smoke all day.

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to our viewers in the united states and around the world, you are watching "new day." republican presidential front-runner donald trump is facing heavy criticism after calling for a, quote, total and complete ban on muslims entering the united states. mr. trump joins us now on the phone. he wants to make the case. mr. trump, thank you for joining us. your proposition is plain, ban all muslims until we can figure out what's going on. people are asking you how you would do that? i say let's put that to the side. it's irrelevant.

it's about the concept. you have leaders from your own party in the key states of iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, you have galvanized political rivals, all saying this is unamerican and extreme and that it makes you a fascist. how do you respond? >> well, i totally disagree. you take a look, chris, at what's going on and it is disgraceful. first of all, you know, people quickly forget world trade center one, world trade center number two. and you take a look at all of the things that are happening, having to do with the problems. now you have the problem in california where and miraculously $28,000 just found, just put into this guy's account, this horrible person, this killer, this maniac into his account. i have no doubt that we have no choice but to do exactly what i said until our country's

representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. because we have a problem in this country. you look at paris. you look at the carrage that took place in paris. >> right. >> look at paris beyond that. paris is no longer the beautiful, gorgeous city with all -- paris has a tremendous amount of problems. they have areas in paris that have been radicalized where the police refuse to go in and look at it. >> we are well aware. >> look at london, other places. >> we are well aware. but mr. trump, here's the point. >> wait a minute, chris. you're well aware. you say that routinely. >> i've been on the ground, talked to the communities. talked to the french authorities. the police are all over that country right now and they're ding a lot of policing. more importantly to your point, i would say it's the opposite reality. you see the french being more embracing of people around them, you see them living their lives, refusing to accept fear as a basis for behavior. whereas here, what you're doing in the country that is known as

a symbol of freedom is saying we're too afraid to be inclusive. we're going to reject the promise of america and ban an entire religion, even though we need to do things on a case-by-case basis. it seems as though you're acting out of fear, not making us look strong, and rejecting what america is all about. uk is not doing this. >> i'm making us look strong. paris is under tremendous siege. they are absolutely in fear in paris. don't tell me paris is not. >> they have heightened awearness. they do not have fear and they're not acting out of it. >> come on. they don't have fear? of course they have fear. >> it depends how you behave. >> i have friends that live in paris. they want to leave, they're petrified. >> are they banning all muslims? >> maybe they have to. >> that's not even on table. >> i'm talking about temporary situation until our country's representatives figure out what the hell is going on, chris. >> the timing is irrelevant.

>> listen, we had world trade center number one, we had world trade center number two, we had many other things happen. then the other day we had the california attack where these two animals, total animals, they became rad slicalized and wanteo do for more damage than that. what's even more disturbing in terms of looking at the future, other people knew what they were doing. there were pipe bombs laying all over the floor. they had other people who knew what was beginning on, chris, and nobody reported it. they used the excuse they didn't want to be racial profilers. they wanted to be politically correct. the people that said that, i think in their own way they're guilty. the mother knew, the parents knew. everybody knew. now even his father is under watch. they just found out. >> you use politically correct. this isn't being about being politically correct. >> we can be politically correct. >> this isn't about being politically correct. >> we have a problem and we have to solve it. you could have many more world

trade centers and beyond. >> i don't see the point with scaring people with the possible when the reality is we haven't had another world trade center. we know who celebrated and didn't. we know what's scaring people and what the reality is. we haven't had those kind of attacks. the security network has held up. one of the reasons is our unity as a people. i don't understand how you can see banning an entire religion as a way of saying anything other than we are what isis says we are. we want a war against islam. that's who america is. as you know, or you should know, that is not who america is, mr. trump. >> chris, we are at war with radical islamic terrorism. >> right, not all islam. >> we have a president that made a fool out of himself the other night. he doesn't even mention the term. he refuses to use the term. nobody understands why. hillary clinton, because she's afraid of the president, because of her e-mail scandal, hillary clinton refuses to use the term.

if you're not going to use the term, you're never going to solve the problem. >> i don't get how you connect the dots because of the e-mail scandal? >> put it through your head. >> everybody knows who we're at war with. >> they are looking to do great damage. you are looking what's going on in the middle east, they are chopping off heads, looking to come over to other places, too. and they want the jihad. it's very simple. they want the jihad. >> what does that mean, they want the jihad? you can't throw out notions without any kind of checking of them. this is what got you wound up on the philadelphia enquirer on the front page like hitler. they have a characterization of hitler. >> the philadelphia inquirer. >> you're going to criticize. i understand that here's the point -- >> they released data showing 25% of those polls agree. these are muslims living in the united states. >> yes. >> 25% of the muslims living in the united states agreed that violence against americans here

in the united states is justified as part of the global jihad. >> donald, we wouldn't even put that poll on the air. it's a hack organization with a guy who was dismissed from the conservative circles for conspiracy theories. you know that. >> no, it's not. >> it's as bad as the cop stats you put out there. >> take a look at the pugh poll. highly respected. terrible numbers. go a step further. >> please. >> 51% of those polled agreed that muslims in america should have a choice of being governed under the sharia. now, if you're talking about horrible stuff here, chris, we can close the eyes, we can put the blinders on. but i don't choose to do that. now, is it temporary? yes. it's until the country's representatives can figure out what is going on. our country's representatives cannot figure it out. now, the problem i have with that is, they couldn't even build a website for obamacare after spending $5 billion.

how do they figure anything out? they can't figure anything out. >> that's not fair. that's not fair. >> it's true. >> our security network is the best in the world. if you ask people in the business of keeping us safe, they say the idea of banning muslims does nothing to help and everything to hurt. they're the experts. that's what they say. they think this idea is stupid. >> until -- well, when they say that. i spoke before an audience last night of a massive audience last night. people were there. thousands of people inside, thousands of people outside. they couldn't even get in. and got standing ovations as soon as this was mentioned. standing ovations. >> of course you did, mr. trump. these are your people. >> i have standing ovations from very smart people. these are intelligent people, great citizens. these are people that are concerned about our country. until our country's representatives can figure it out. now -- >> chris christie. jeb bush, the heads of party in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, they all say this is

wrong. >> you have a tendency to call these guys -- they're not master minds they're not even smart people. >> i didn't call them master minds by the way. >> you wonder why kids want to go into isis. the fact is until our people can do something about these horrible people that want to do damage to our country, real damage to our country, then i think it stays in place. it's temporary until we can figure that out. >> but you have just about all of your rivals except rand paul, even that's qualified, reject this notion. your party leaders reject this notion. >> i don't care about them. look, look, look -- >> who do you care about? >> i've been a politician for six months. >> do you have to impress anybody but yourself with these ideas. >> i'm doing what's right. >> how do you know what's right to exempt an entire class of people, a religion? >> can i talk. >> please, go ache ha. tell me why it's right in america. >> can i talk for two seconds, chris. >> go ahead, please. >> we have people out there that want to do great destruction to our country, whether it's 25% or 10% or 5%.

it's too much. we have people out there that want to do great -- they want our buildings to come down. they want our cities to be crushed. they are living within our country and many of them want to come from outside of our country. i am saying that until we figure this out, we should have a ban. it's very simple. it's very simple. now, if you look at fdr. i watched jeffrey lord this morning. i thought he was fantastic by the way. if you look at him, the presidential proclamations, 2525, 2526 and 2527, it was very -- that was very, very stringent, very, very stringent. i thought jeffrey lord did a fantastic job explaining it this morning on your show. >> okay. here's my question to you. i heard jeffrey lord. we're always happy to have him on the show. he makes your case well, no question about that. >> he makes his own case well, in all fairness. it wasn't my case. >> he owns it. >> to be honest with you from frankl

franklin delano roosevelt did was worse. >> the united states was at war. he was targeting sovereigns he was against. the second thing was it was wrong then, it was wrong with the japanese. >> excuse me, you don't that i we're at war. >> we are at war but not with all of islam. >> we have a president that knows what it is -- we don't have a president that can use the term. >> that's fine criticism. you can criticize him. the reason he won't say islamic terrorism -- >> he's an incompetent president. >> the reason he says it -- >> we are at war, get it through your head. >> i understand what you're saying. i live it. we go to these places and cover these things. you get a lot of your information from us as you tell us. >> why do we insist on destroying our country. >> what destroys america? >> we don't know where they are, where they're coming from. there's no documentation, no paperwo paperwork. why do we insist on destroying our country? >> make the system better but what tears at america's fabric more than rejecting an entire

faith? in the land of religious freedom. >> you have a large portion of people from syria that are christian. why aren't we allowing the christians in? we only allow the muslims in. >> that's not true. >> why aren't we allowing the christians? >> it's not true. does it matter to you that it's not true. >> the percentage is massively in favor of the muslims. >> you have a massive muslim population. >> the ones in bigger danger are christians. >> they are being allowed into the refugee program. >> we are not allowing the christians into anywhere near the extent we should be. >> because people like you say syrian refugees shouldn't come into the country. how can you say let the syrian christians in out not the syrian refugees? >> we should not let them in. we don't know if they're isis or a trojan horse. >> you care about the syrian christians but not enough to let them in. >> we aren't we letting the christians or muslims in. >> you tell me. why are we letting them? >> i guess obama set a policy or

something. >> he didn't set a policy. he is letting them in. >> there was a policy set by somebody in the midagency. >> that's just not true. >> if you happen to be a christian in syria, it's almost impossible to come into this country. if you're a muslim, you can get in. why is that, chris. >> i'll explain it to you. the refugee process is onerous. they have to go through the onhrc first. you're making the case for refugee vetting. many people will appreciate that. it takes a long time, it's exhaustive. what we're dealing in the country right now, is ignoring what you just stated as fact, which is it's very tough to get through the refugee program and saying even still we have to keep all of them out. >> it's tough if you're a christian. if you're a christian from syria it's almost impossible to come into our country. >> let me ask you this, mr. trump. we've had a couple of conversations on and off camera about the gop being fair to you. that you're not going to do a third party thing. you're going to stay true to your pledge as long as they're

fair. can you blame the gop for moving against you after saying something like this? can you accuse of them being unfair if they say, listen, we can't have our no, ma'amly who's tearing at the fabric of what america is. we have to do something against you with the convention or whatever they come up with. would you still hold to the pledge because you've created your own problem? >> there's no problem. i'm just doing the right thing, chris. i'm just doing the right thing. i could have very well rested on my poll number which is you just released and they're phenomenal. i'm leading everyone. i could rest on them nicely and there's no problem. they go up, they go down. i have to do the right thing. i am talking about a measure that ends, it's not a measure that's in stone. we have to find out what we're doing. we're letting people into our country. we done the no he who they are. we have people here right now that are getting $28,000 miraculously over the last little while deposited in their account that they're using for sinister purposes.

there are, like this husband and wife, this horrendous, horrible husband and wife, you have many other people like that in this country. you have many other people that are having checks deposited in their accounts to do destruction. we have to find out what we're doing. if the republican party likes it, that's fine. if they done the like it, that's fine also. i'm leading in every single -- virtually every single poll. you came out one yesterday in iowa. i'm crushing it in iowa, doing great with the people of iowa who i love. i have thousands of people, you had your reporters there, i had thousands of people last night, right, at an event last night in south carolina, a great place, thousands of people couldn't get in. we got standing ovations as soon as i mentioned it. i hadn't even finished the sentence. now, what i also said, and it was very important, i made the statement, it's a shut down until our country's

representatives can figure out what is going on. that's important. because that doesn't mean it's permanent. it's temporary. >> i'll tell you what -- >> we have to get our arms around it and we don't want to be like paris where you can't go into the city or sections where there are police. their police are afraid to go into certain sections of paris. they are petrified. >> that is a mythology. they're doing operations by the hundreds. they're getting a handle on the situation. most importantly, they're staying together. i think your poll data actually reflects a responsibility on you, mr. trump. because people are listening to you. and america is great because it is united. our diversity is our greatest string. >> i have common sense. >> this doesn't sound like common sense. >> i have common sense. i know what has to be done. we don't want have a situation like paris or world trade center. they tried to knock it down twice. the first time they were

unsuccessful. we don't need that, chris. we need intelligence, a certain toughness in this country or we'll end up like a lot of other places and we're not going to have a country left. >> the fear is real, no question about it, mr. trump thank you for coming on "new day" as always to make the case. we know you're fighting with your throat. thank you for making the effort. appreciate it. the best to you. >> thank you. thank you. >> donald trump, ladies and gentlemen, making the case. what are the pluses, what are the minuses? we have alisyn camerota, we have michael smerconish, john king. take it away. >> we have a lot to talk about, gentlemen. michael, i know you were listening with wrapped attention. what did you hear donald trump say? >> nothing of consequence. i hope he's still watching. >> thanks, michael. >> the man has no decency, no decency. it's all sound bites that are intended to appeal to the lowest common denominator. he's begging republican voters to abandon his campaign and sooner or later, i hope they'll give him his wish. >> john, you know, what donald trump just said, i think at the very end, does really fasten on

what his appeal is. i've interviewed many trump supporters. they believe he speaks common sense. he doesn't have pretense. he says it like he is. he says it like he feels it, like they feel it. is that what you heard more of today? >> yes. this is a man who knows his target audience. i associate myself with my friend michael smerconish in what he said about this. it was nice of chris to try to put facts into the conversation. nice try. but listen, listen to what donald trump said. there is no doubt, there is no choice. we are totally out of control. this is so dangerous. we need to be strong. the president made a fool of himself. donald trump wants to be the anti-obama for a slice of the republican party that does not like this president, that does not really care for nuance right now, that does not want a balanced approach. the president the other night, remember, we cannot deny there was some radicalization in the muslim community. that's nuance.

donald trump doesn't do nuance. he comes straight at you. he comes straight at you. to chris's point about french, the french people, yes, the people of paris have gone about their lives. look at what happened in the french elections. the far right national party won and is in the lead in some of the national elections. anti-immigration, far right strident party is having success in france. mr. trump things he can do it here. >> one of the first things sp franco francois hollande did. here's the thing. i don't know about this one. i think that policies you candice putt. the idea of excluding an entire religion is real anathema to what america is all about. when we see it happen anywhere around the world, it's one of

the first moments americans say, we have to do something about all of that. i wonder what the push back is. you can't say he's wrong. you have to make the case for what america is, michael. my question to you is, who makes that case? how should it be made? >> well, i think it should be made by all of us and by all of his opponents. i think it should be made by those who have platforms, frankly, to point out not only is it anathema to what we represent, unconstitutional by virtue of the 14th amendment but it's also, chris, illogical. returning muslims in our military, do they get in? if you're a french or british student studying at a university of the united states and you're a muslim -- >> i'm not impressed by the practicalities or the constitutionality and the legality. here's why. i think this is bigger than that. when you get to a how you would do this, that cheapens the situation, frankly, john. this is just a very overarching, fundamental, core value of what america is or is not.

the practicality of how to do it, the legal basis for it, those are secondary and tertiary concerns. the real ones are who are you and what do you believe? >> who are the voters mr. trump is targetinging with what's their perception of reality? you're trying to get facts on the table. if you go to a gathering, don't tell them that the number of migrants coming across the border is down. they won't believe you. we went to community centers, you have the elderly, going to tea party meetings, they would tell you isis is mexico injecting illegal immigrants with ebola and sending them into the united states to terrorize america. it's a small slice, a minority but in a crowded republican race, the front national in paris, france, won about 30% of the national vote.

if he can win 30%, he wins iowa and new hampshire. can he win a national election? that's not his concern right now. his focus is on the republican primary. >> my point is, it is all of our responsibility to point out the facts. that is what the platform that we have as michael has said, talk about the facts. what donald trump does so effectively, michael, he takes a germ of an idea or a fact and turns it and makes it his own. such as with this -- he's basing all of this on this poll. and the poll that he's talking about is wildly flawed. as chris told him, we would never use this poll in journalism. it's an online poll, not a representative sample. >> who did the poll also. >> frank gaffney who has been rejected from conservative circles because he was a conspiracy theorist. he's a known islamophobe. he fastens on something about how there are -- there is a --

he also talked about the pugh poll. this is a pugh poll that interviewed muslims in 39 countries and did find a fraction of them believed that using suicide bombings is sometimes okay to get their point across. so he fastens on that. it's not how he described it but that's enough for some of his followers, michael. >> but in every one of these circumstance, there's something to be said in response. for example, to this poll, this poll talks about americans, muslims who are already in this country. so this cockamamie idea of his would do nothing about the very people who we're supposedly questioned in that internet poll. carry things to their logical conclusion and they fall off the cliff. he talked this week about the need to kill the members of families of isis. by logical extension, i imagine we would be decapitating the 6-month-old who was dropped off by the san bernardino killers. that's the kind of issue that he just won't confront.

>> the powers, the fear, though, michael smerconish, thank you very much. john king as always, good to have you with us. what do you think? tweet us. you already are. use #newdaycnn or post your comment on facebook.com/newday. the long tentacles of isis stretching even further. disturbing report on the number of foreign fighters joining the terror ranks. how many and why? we'll bring you a unique perspective, next. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets.

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we have new information about the threat that we're facing here in america. the number of foreign fighters joining isis in syria and in iraq, more than doubling in just 18 months. why? and where are they coming from? and what is the motivation to

join and to stop them? joining us is ali sufon which published the report. give >> we were one of the first entities to study the phenomena of foreign fighters before isis became a caliphate. that was in may 2014. we decided to do an update and we found out that the number, as you correctly mentioned more than doubled. it is now between 27-31,000 foreign fighters. >> how do you know? >> we had few ways we're looking to the number. first we try to use official data as much as we -- as much as it is available. a lot of countries do study asks keep track of foreign fighters and some other places where we didn't have data we had to check other sources to refute our own sources. >> so you feel confident.

>> we feel confident it ranges from 27 to 31,000 people. >> why? >> first of all the reason of joining islamic state is mostly based on personalities, on emotions. and not necessarily on religion or even politics. people want a new beginning. people want to feel they belong to something bigger than them. and we see the numbers more than doubled from western countries and the former soviet republics. if you look at the former soviet republics, caucus, russia, centrally asia in central. the number went up 300%. in europe -- >> but you have the predisposition for violence and wanting to kill people in order to join, right? >> for example look at the united states. the numbers have not doubled. the numbers literally stayed flat. why? because the united states

recruitment is mostly done through social media. so we don't have a specific profile for a person who will go and fight in syria. they are from every age, from big cities like new york to small little towns, you know, in middle america. >> what is your concern about what the idea of banning all many muslims will mean to this? >> you have covered paris and you see how the alienation can cause problems. >> it is a big problem l there. >> in france they have about 1700 foreign fighters. 1700 and look at the population of france compared to the population of the united states. in united states we have 150. why? because people are integrating well. for example i read data american muslim, 0.5% of the shooters in the united states but provide 7%

of the doctors and other. so this is going to be problems down the road. and --. as the crazy talk. >> what do you say to people who are afraid? the people want to chop my heads off. they are almost all muslim. >> these people chopping heads off, are chopping had off muslims also over there. most of the victims are all muslims so we have to put the threat into context. and as you correctly mentioned when you talked to mr. trump earlier. we have the best law enforcement intelligence in the world. we have been able to disrupt almost every terrorist attack that happened or was being planned to take place. and guess what? more than 50% of all the plots that was disrupted was disrupted because law enforcement and the fbi were working closely with the muslim community.

so now you want to isolate the muslim community and good luck then. you are going to have a fertile ground for people like isis and people like ai al qaeda to recute. perspective is always good. in fact reflection also good. it is hard to believe that it has been 35 years today since john lennon was gunned down. he was shot by mark david chapman who's dark path to murder is explored in a new cnn special report "killing john lennon." take a look. >> left the hotel room i knew what was going to happen that day. i just knew it. >> before he left he put a display in the hotel. and it had his passport. it had photographs from when he had worked at the ymca.

it had other memory tento toews life. it was like his way of saying look at me i'm important. >> once the scene was set chapman left to stake out the dakota again. he first saw sean lenin and his nanny. >> came from behind and reached around and then he commented to her, he's a beautiful little boy, isn't he? >> while sean was outside the dakota. inside his father was getting ready for his last interview ever. >> he was so real. he was so incredibly real. he wasn't a rock star. >> produced the six hour interview. >> so you arrive at the dakota, what was your first impression? >> where did he sit?

>> but right on the love seat next to me. so for the next several hours he's looking at me through his john lennon glasses. >> and for the moment she says she will never forget. >> when we were talking about him and yoko, and he said i hope to god they die before yoko because i don't know what i would do if she left before i did. in other words he couldn't continue without her. and -- >> you got some incredible access. not just the audio tapes but some firsthand video and also talking to some of these people. >> what's amazing, 35 years later, each person i interviewed. they all were brought to tears. the doctor who had to pronounce him dead. the police officer who saw lenin

was bleeding out. and knew the balance wasn't going to make it and threw him over his shoulder it. still effects so many people. >> you go to central park, strawberry fields and you see the dakota where he died and where they lived. it is a place that draws people. what do you think it is after all this time. >> john lennon was so many things to this world. he was an amazing musician. he was raw. he was honest. he was transparent. he was an advocate. he fought for women's rights. i mean, this was a man who advocated peace and he died because a man got his hands on a gun that shouldn't have one. >> and speaking of that boy, doesn't that tie to what we have in this country right now. have we learned anything. is there a lesson to be gleaned? >> we still have a lot to do. we saw -- i also got access to

mark david chapman's journal and his calendar. and months before the murder it got more chaotic and it was crazy and he was crossing things out and making all of these notes, that he needed to get to the library and pay bills and get money but there were a lot of things crossed out up to the day of the murder to where everything was blank. his journal. schematics of these committees. these little people that told him what to do and make decisions and he wrote down three vices he had after he killed john lennon. taking vitamin c. eating junk food and having sexual deviant pleasures. clearly a man that was troubled. >> this is exceptional. be sure to tune in tonight, it airs 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. it is incredible. thanks so much. all right. we're following a lot of news. let's get right to it. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut

down of muslims entering the united states. >> i have no doubt that we have no choice but to do exactly what i said until we figure this out, we should have a ban. we are at war with radical islamic terrorism. >> right. not all islam. >> he's particularly playing to a piece of the republican party that he knows well. >> i think this is closer to the racial laws imposed by the nazis. >> donald trump sounds more like the leader of a lynch mob than a great nation. >> both subjects were radicalized and have been for quite some time. >> 19 pipe bombs that could have been used in a larger attack. >> just days before that massacre. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michael ra pereira. >> good morning. here is the proposition.

americans should ban all muslims until we figure out what's going on. donald trump calls it common sense. but his fellow party leaders and candidates roundly reject him. still he's made gains by bucking the norm in the past. will it happen this time? >> and drawing scorn from both sides of the aisle with foes from clinton to cheney banning together to put a dent in trump. trump was steadfast in his belief that the ban is needed. let's listen to what he told chris. >> i have no doubt that we have no choice but to do exactly what i said until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. because we have a problem in this country. you look at paris. you look at the carnage that took place in paris. but look at paris beyond that.

paris is no longer the beautiful gorgeous city. paris has a tremendous lot of problems. they have areas in paris that have been radicalized where the police refuse to go in and look at it. >> we are well aware. >> you look at london. you look at other places. >> we are well aware. but mr. trump here is the point. >> wait a minute chris. you say that so routinely. you're well aware. >> i've been on the ground. i've talked to the french authorities. >> -- so dangerous. >> that's whethat you say. more importantly to your point, i would say it is the opposite reality. you see the french being more embracing of people around them. you see them living their live, you see them refusing to accept fear as a basis for behavior. whereas here what you are doing in a country that is known as a symbol of freedom is saying we are too afraid to be inclusive. we are going to reject the promise of america and ban an entire religion, even though we

need to do things on a case-by-case basis. and it seems as though you are acting out of fear, not making us look strong and rejecting what america is all about. >> i'm talking about a temporary situation until your country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> the timing is irrelevant. >> listen we have the world trade center number one, number two. many other things. then the other day the california attack where these two animals became radicalized and they wanted to do far more damage than that. what's even more disturbing in terms of looking into the future is other people knew what they were doing. there were bombs, and pipe bombs laying all over the floor. there were other people who knew what was going on chris and nobody reported it. they used the excuse they didn't want to be racial profilers. they wanted to be politically correct. by the people that said that i think in their own way they're

guilty. the mother knew. the parents knew. everybody knew. now even the father is under watch. >> you just used politically correct. this isn't about being politically correct. >> -- and we should solve it because you can have many more world trade centers if you don't solve it. many more and probably beyond it. >> i don't see the point of scaring people with the possible when the reality is we haven't had another world trade center. we know what the real deal. is we know what's scaring people and the reality is. we haven't had those kind of attacks. the security network has held up. and one of the reasons is our unity as a people. and i don't understand how you can see banning an entire religion as a way of saying anything other than we are what isis says we are. we want a war against islam. that is who america is. and as you know or you should know that is not who america is mr. trump. >> chris, we are at war with

radical islamic terrorism. >> not all islam. >> we have a president that made a fool out of himself the other night. he doesn't even mention the term. he refuses to use the term. nobody understands why. hillary clinton because she's afraid of the president because of her e-mail scandal, hillary clinton refuses to use the term. if you are not going to use the term you are not going to solve the problem. >> i don't understand o -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> -- looking to do great damage. you look at what's going on in the middle east. they are chopping off heads. they are looking to come over to other places too and they want the jihad. it's very simple. >> what does that mean they want the jihad. you can't just throw out notions without any kind of checking on them. this is what got you wound up on the inquiry front page like

hitler. >> another newspaper going out of business. >> the -- i'm waiting for that as well but here the point -- >> -- released data showing 25% of those polls degree. now these are muslims living in the united states. agreed that violence against americans here in the united states is justified as part of the global jihad. and -- >> we wouldn't even put that poll on the air. it is a hack organization with a guy who was dismissed from the conservative circles for conspiracy theories. you know that. >> and joining us for reaction to that interview, republican presidential candidate senator lindsey graham. good morning. >> what is your reaction to what donald trump says? >> disgusted. i want to talk to the trump supporters for a minute. i don't know who you are. i don't know what you like about

this. i think what you like he appears to be strong when the rest of us a weak. a very successful businessman that is going to make everything great. he's going to take all tooft the problems of the world and put them in a box and make them better. and that's what he's selling. here is what you are buying. a. -- he doesn't represent my party. he doesn't -- he's the isil man of the year by the way. just got back from iraq a week ago this monday. >> we interviewed you live from this there. you were going to iraq to get a status report. what were they saying there about all of this? >> the military leadership and the diplomatic corps. and we have young men and women in harm's way all over the world, particularly in the mi mideast. they were concerned about this rhetoric because the enemy will use it against us. so what was concern last week

has to be deaf con four this week. and i don't think he has a clue about anything. he's voous just trying to get his numbers up. he's putting soldiers and diplomats at risk and empowering the enemy. and this ban if it's enacted would take people who came to our society under siege in their own countries and basically it becomes a death sentence for them. >> you draw a direct line between his rhetoric and what? recruitment for isis? >> they use that to turn the region against us. our diplomats and military commanders were very worried when the guy was going to burn the koran. remember that? the guy in florida? i've been there 36 times. i can tell you most muslims. most people in the faith reject is this radical ideology. the reason we'll win is because very few fathers and mothers want to turn their daughters

over the isil. we should be investing givening a young women a voice about her children in the mideast is the ultimate an dote to terrorism. that is how you win the war. a hopeful life versus a glorious death. and he's undercutting how you win the war. empowering the enemy and putting people at risk serving our country. going to a military high school donald is not military service. you have never worn the uniform. you have never been on a ford operating base. you have never been a usaid worker going into some area trying to help our country by helping others. so knock out off. you're putting people at risk. >> in fact he represents 36% of the people who plan to vote in your party. how do you explain if he is the

front runner? if what you are saying is true and you have used the strongest language yet? how do you explain it. >> -- >> -- >> look at our history. look at the history of america. there's always been a market for this. this is the dirltty little secret. no irish need apply. cut their pony tails off. put them all in jail after pearl harbor. we're not a perfect people but we're a good people. and the president of the united states needs to bring this together. and the president of the united states needs to win a war. there is always a market for this. but i've never been more proud 2457b i am now of what my chairman said in the deep deep south. and i know there are people clapping. if you are on the front lines of this war you are not clapping. you are ducks. >> what does he say? >> he just renounced this as

being un-american. i'd rather lose without donald trump than try to win with with him. i wish he would leave the party. i don't care if he wins the 2016 election. so be it. this is not about the election. this is about the country of the future and our party. and i want to be in a category of 1% who b.s., this is not who we are at a party. not who we are as a nation. and i'm calling on ted cruz. you're trying to have it both ways here. >> let my play what ted cruz did say here. so many people have dick cheney to marco rubio to you. you have used the strongest language. let me play for you what ted cruz has said and you can tell me if it goes far enough. listen to this. >> that is not my policy. i've introduced legislation. in the senate. that would put in place a three year moratorium on refugees coming from countries where isis or al qaeda control the

substantial amount of territory. i think this is the approach we should take. and we need a commander in chief who is focused on keeping this nation safe. >> this is not a policy debate, ted. we need a commander in chief that would honor the 3500 american muslims in uniform. when i was in afghanistan in the second election i was escorted by a young sergeant in the army who grew up in kabul, became an american citizen. he took me to their old high school, he was crying like a baby. all of us were. because he was so proud of his new country and his old country. so what ted cruz did is ignore the moral imperative here to speak out. he's trying to get all the trump people when trump falls. he's trying to get all the carson people when they fall. what i'm trying to do is be a president worthy of a great nation and a great party. this is not a policy debate,

ted. this is about you and us and our character as a party. up your game. condemn it because it needs to be condemned. >> you feel so strongly about this. is there anything that you as the republican candidate can do with your rivals so, i don't know, ban together? what is your suggestion for what you plan to do? >> to speak out not in a policy way but condemn this rhetoric as being un-american, not who we are as a party. and i want you to understand something. i go to the mideast a lot. 36 times. nobody is talking about this. he is helping the enemy of this nation. he is empowering radical islam. and if he knew anything about the world at all, you would know that most muslims reject this ideology and they have died in -- by the thousands trying to contact this radical ideology. you are slanting their sacrifice. you are marginalizing what they are trying to do to make the world a better place. do you know how you win this

war? you side with people in the faith who we jekt this ideology, which is 99%. and do you know how you make america great again? tell donald trump to go hell. fbi investigators say the massacre of 14 in san bernardino last week was well planned and the attackers were well trained. the husband and wife killers honed skills at nearby gun ranges even just days before that attack. dan simon is live in san bernardino with a lot to get to. >> michaela, investigators say both of these shooters were radicalized. in the days before the shooting they went to a shooting range and practiced their aim. they found 19 pipes used to make bombs up from the original number of 12. we were also being told in terms of the way this investigation is being carried out that hundreds of pieces of evidence have been

collected. hundred of interviews have taken place. this is how the fbi is characterizing the suspect, the shooters. >> as the investigation has progressed, we have learned and believe that both subjects were radicalized and have been for quite some time. now how did that happen? the question we're trying to get at is how did that happen and by whom and where did that happen? and i will tell you right now we don't know those answers at this point. >> well the fbi is working with their foreign counterparts to build out extensive profiles. one question that's emerged is whether or not this couple has received financing. and finally in a very chilling twist we know that county workers underwent active shooter training in the very same building where the shooting took place. we're not sure if farook took place or was part of that training at this time. and testimony resuming in

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ours tonight. would you welcome the eagles of death metal. [ applause ] >> that was bono introducing the group. and today they played patty smith's people have the power alongside u2. listen to this. ♪ >> a lot more than a song going on on that stage. really big moment. gracious of u2 and also a metaphor for the appreciatipari. they are refusing to live in fear. they are getting back to their lives. >> and music is such a powerful tool for healing it. can soothe the soul. >> absolutely. and you know how much i love

lyrics. i sing unfortunately all the time. and i looked up the lyrics to patty smith's song. zpit said the people have the power to redeem the work of fools. makes me so emotional they made it back on stage. so great. >> and and then back to donald trump's stunning proposal -- keep the muslims out of the u.s. he was here defending it and now we're going to test it as an idea and as an argument, ahead. ♪

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you win this war you side with people in the faith who reject this ideology, this is 99%. and do you know how you make america great again? tell donald trump to go to hell. >> not the most friendly language. we just interviewed donald trump. he made the case for why he believes at least temporarily all muslims must be kept out of america. the question is will this help him? he's been helped in the polls by going outside the norm before but is this too far? depends on who you ask? he asked dean obedala to come on and jeffrey lorde friend of show and friend of donald trump. good to have you both. >> i'm just happy to be in the country to be honest.

thank god i was born here. or who knows what would have happened. this is not surprising. donald trump starting the campaign demonizing latinos and defended a rapest and the mocked the disabled reporter. and now he's out there reading a poll by as an islam phobe and saying 25% of americans want to kill other americans. this is how ridiculous donald trump is. it is irresponsible and dangerous and truly un-american. that is what donald trump is about. >> jeffrey, what can make this proposal okay? >> i just hear this business about it being un-american. we talked about franklin roosevelt. franklin roosevelt got his authority to do this from what

is called the alien enemies act from, chris, 1798, written into law by john amends, signed into law. it is still on the book this is minute. senator graham has been in congress for how many decades. why hasn't he repealed the law. because the law is on the book and was used first against french immigrants and then eventually german italian and yap japanese. he senator graham is a racist and a bigt to just let this thing sit here. >> jeffrey. you have my head spinning around right know. if it was a bad idea then, it was a bad idea now to exclude a entire group of people. >> chris, you were saying and senator graham is saying that this is not who we are. i am telling you this law is on

the books now. it is who we are. this is who we are. -- >> laws on the books. >> it has nothing to do with muslims. nothing. >> you know there are lot of funky laws on the books. that is not what you want to pin this too. >>no don't make things up. chris i love you but i'm not going let you get away with in th this. this is on the books this minute. if it's so objectionable. get it off now. >> jeffrey lorde is saying the law is there so this is all okay. is that okay with you? >> no i think it's not. in the middle east he loves muslims. he's got his multi million dollar businesses. and in the middle east and ua you can give money to hamas. they are not considered a terrorist groups. has donald trump's partners given noun hamas.

which -- and donald trump now is look at hotels many the saudi arabia or country. donald trump is now going to do business with them. qatar, which publicly funds hamas. these are the people donald trump has no problem doing business with because in the middle east it is about muslim money. i wonder how they are going to pause now. we'll see. >> jeffrey, the business of donald trump aside. when we're looking at political implications of this. you have a galvanized force against you it. raises t s specter of whether ot he's be hoisted within the gop, that they will use this to distance themselves. how do you think it plays out? >> i really do think this kind of thing will help. when he talk about common sense people out there understand what he's saying. we're not anti muslim for heaven

sakes. we're saying on 9/11 we grounded every plane in the sky until we could figure out what was going on. and this is his version of that. figure out what's going on. it is not anti muslim. that is just ridiculous. that is a strawman that people set up to pound away. and i think therefore there is a lot of common sense -- >> let me ask you something. if it's not about muslims and not liking muslims, i don't know what it's about, doing the bab. and what i can't understand is if it makes so much good sense, why am i so sad about this? why am i embarrassed by this? why -- >> the country as we understand it is as it is right.

now and this has always been part of the law. chris, there is evil in the world. it doesn't matter whether it's coming from a radical muslim or a german nazi or a french revolutionary who was into beheading people back in the late 1700s. there is evil in the world. and you stand up to evil. and there are plenty of good muslims. and as a matter of fact i've met dean. i think he's terrific. i just think he's into these straw man things. this is crazy. >> donald trump is saying no muslims coming in. and it sounds like he's scared. we need a leader that is not scared. that's not fearful. and won't do a knee jerk reaction like this. what if he was president? >> dean, you have the lib ralsz zealotry over minority groups. this is not about quote/unquote minorities -- >> let's look at the big picture. 69% of the mass shooters have been white men.

we're not going to hear donald trump men. >> are they on a mission for white -- >> -- people killed by gun violence. it doesn't play with the gop base. >> it's all apples and oranges. >> he doesn't talk about it at all. >> you have the extreme islamists who are wanting to come and cutoff american heads. that is the thing. you have that group but it is extending that definition to all muslims that creates the problem. >> and a backlash. and you are furthering the narrative that muslims in america are not like every other american. somehow we're a threat. >> -- no, no, no. >> -- a anti islam phobe. and that is not my words. and they came out harshly against trump's words yesterday saying we know what it means as jews to be scapegoated. >> the anti defamation league

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"new day" this morning calling again for a ban on muslims entering the u.s.a. how are muslim americans feeling about in this morning? let's ask. spokesperson for the amadia muslim community. the oldest established muslim sect in the u.s. and the an historian with the brooklyn historical society here in new york. great to have you here with us this morning. both of you are such american success stories that i just want to share with the audience a little about how who you are. you are a muslim immigrant from pakistan. you came here in the 1980s. you are a visiting fellow at harvard university's islamic studies program. your brother is a u.s. marine. you are the american dream. how do you feel when you cake up and you hear donald trump saying that muslims like your family

should be banned from coming to the u.s. >> in one word, shocked. i represent a community and we have a strong, you know, persona that we are loyal to you are a countries of residence. and as a lawyer i championed the united states constitution. so when i see mr. trump making these ridiculous remarks and these propaganda and dictator-style allegations against american muslim, it reminds me that this is a man who has no idea what the u.s. constitution actually says and therefore he's wholly incapable of serving as commander in chief. with that said i invite him, come to our mosque, actually learn about islam from american muslims and you will see that terrorisms has nothing to do with islam whatsoever. >> educate a little more. you are loyal to the country in

which you reside. you put no law over the u.s. constitution. donald trump suggests that muslims put sharia law over thatha that. >> i don't think donald trump can even spell sharia first of all. the separation of mosque and state is part and parcel of islam. he -- as an american muslims as an attorney i see zero conflict between islam and america. and in fact sharia requires that it is a personal moral code. you can never apply it over the law of the land and certainly never enforce it on a non

muslim. >> now, let me read your history. your family is from trinidad. moved here at the age of three. now getting your ph.d. at colombia university. what do you think when you hear things like this? >> well i grew up in the maryland area. but i spent a lot of time in new york as the teenager and i remember donald trump leading the charge against five innocent black and latino men over the central part jogger case. so he has a long history of race-baiting. his attacks on mexicans. tweeting racist -- inaccurate statistics about african americans in crime. so in a sense i'm not surprised. he wants to invite trump his mosque. i would invite him to my history classroom because he does not know the real history of the united states. >> what is it like to be an american muslim man today in this climate? >> i think as the man we have it

a little easier because it is easier to wear clothes in a certain way and facial hair and maybe pass. but the burden is especially on women, muslim women who choose to cover their hair and wear clothes that mark them and they have been subject to bullying and attacks and that con kerns me greatly. >> donald trump is leading in the poll, i don't have to tell you. his supporters believe that he speaks their language. let me play the reaction. listen to this. >> that is a very prudent idea. and i think he's done due diligence when he makes that statement. we have to protect our american citizens first. and the vetting process in the whole program lacks integrity. >> he's just saying no muslim should be allowed to enter the country right now. do you agree? yes or no? it's that simple. >> yes. >> look. people are scared obviously

after what happened in san bernardino. so what do you want his supporters to understand? >> i want trump's supporters to understand that there is no conflict between being a muslim and being an american. this is a fundamental principle. american muslims have defends america in every war since the united states was founded. american muslims represented 15 30% of the population of those enslaved in africa and made into american muslims here. the lack of muslim leadership is also an issue here. i want to be clear about this. that the fear of muslims isn't something we can just pin on politicians. i think muslim leadership needs to step up and do a more effective job of dialoguing and engaging. and this is why i'm adamant. come to our mosque. we held vigils after the attacks in california. we are not going resolve our issues by cutting ourselves off from one another. if we do something or even

advocate something like stopping muslim immigration, we are giving free propaganda to organizations like isis by attracting other youth. as an american muslim, as an immigrant, america does not hate you. america wants peace. americans want peace. do not let the rhetoric of a drainide ranged politician. >> thank you. we'll speak to you again. what a great conversation alisyn. unity not division, right? all right. here is a treat. we have seen her literally blossom since e.t.

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. good morning. i'm pamela brown, in for carol costello. thank you so much for being here with me. dangerous, reprehensible and un-american. fierce backlash hits republican presidential hopeful donald trump after he calls for all muslims to be banned from entering the u.s. today trump is refusing to back down. >> i have no doubt that we have no choice but to do exactly what i said until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. because we have a problem in this country. you look at paris. you look at the carnage that took place in paris. but look at paris beyond that. paris is no longer the beautiful, gorgeous city with all the -- paris is now a tremendous amount of problems. they have areas that have been