rebu rebuked. there's another theory when you put students in a school, you challenge them, they become better, you know, they service their communities and everything else. so it's important to note we're talking about theories and the theory that scalia was referencing certainly is one that has been told to be not true. >> it looks like those arguments are pointing towards affirmative action being wiped out but you know what, we've been wrong before by listening to just the arguments. thank you for watching. brianna keilar is sitting in for wolf who's on assignment. they start now. hi there, i'm brianna keilar. wolf blitzer is on assignment. it is 1:00 p.m. in washington, 6:00 p.m. in london and 7:00 p.m. in jerusalem. wherever you're watching around the world, thanks for joining us. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> up first, we have breaking news. more pieces of the puzzle surrounding the terrorists who killed 14 people in san bernardino, california. the fbi is looking at a possible

connection between farook and a convicted terrorist. investigators believe farook had tied to a radical group the fbi arrested in nearby riverside, california. cnn justice reporter evan perez joins us live to talk about this. walk us through the link you have seen between farook and the recruiter for this group. >> the key here is the fact this group was rolled up, arrested in 2012. now that they're investigating farook, the fbi is looking back. they're now going back and figuring out where he has ties. and one of the things they have found is that he had ties to one of these members of this group that was arrested. there was four men arrested. charged with attempting to travel to afghanistan to join al qaeda in riverside, california. and in particular, one of them, his name is soyo cabeer. he was in the u.s. military at one point. a charismatic recruiter who

radicalized the rest of the group that was arrested back in 2012. there are actually five of them that are being investigated. four were arrested. and kabir was sentenced to 25 years in prison earlier this year. what the investigators have now found was that kabir and farook were in the same social circles, and they want to know more about that. they want to know whether or not there were tentacles already there linking farook at that time, and who else was involved. perhaps there are people who might be part of a wider network, that might explain what happened in san bernardino. this is still very early in this investigation. but this is an amazing clue to find now. because now they believe that this could help us plain, again, some of the links with radicalization that explains a little bit of what farook was up to in 2012. keep in mind, 12 is also the time farook and his friend enrique marquez were allegedly

coming up with this plot -- >> and they abandoned it. is there some link? >> yes, they believe according to marquez, this is what he's told fbi investigators, that the reason why they didn't go through with it was because of the arrest of these four men, and now that explains it a little bit more, right, because they knew each other. at least farook knew some of these people that were arrested. >> wow. and you know this is a story where you feel like you're pulling back the layers and there's going to be much more in the days and weeks ahead. there's a manhunt under way in geneva, switzerland, for five suspects related to the terror attacks in paris. that's coming from a source close to the investigation. cnn terrorism analyst paul cruickshank is tracking these developments from london for us. what about these suspects the police are searching for? >> we know a number, they're looking for five people in the geneva area. we know there's specific concerns. that they pose a specific threat

in geneva, and we know there's a specific link to one of the attackers in paris. one of those who blew himself up at the bataclan. he was recruited by an individual called murad faraz. and this very same murad faraz, believed to be linked to these five people they're looking for in geneva. so one step removed from the attacks. not a direct link but one step removed. they're clearly very concerned about this. they're ramping up security at the airports and u.n. and international organizations there. there was a key meeting between the russians and americans that was going to take place in geneva tomorrow. local media saying that is now being moved to another location. they're not revealing where that location is going to be. they clearly don't have that much of a handle over where

these people are, otherwise they wouldn't be releasing this information to the public. they'd just go and arrest them. and that of course is quite alarming, given what we saw play out in paris just a few weeks ago. >> yes, it certainly is. paul cruickshank, we know you'll follow this story. i want to go back to the san bernardino attack. the question now being asked, were lapses in intelligence a factor in this attack? could authorities have done something more to prevent it? i want to bring in republican senator dan coots of indiana, the member of the select committee on intelligence. he's join iing us now from capil hill. senator, thank you for being with us. we've learned now the fbi is looking at possible ties between the shooter, saeed rizwan farook, and a radicalized group. is this something that intelligence should have picked up on, was this a failure? >> our biggest concern has been groups that are self-radicalized, that are

sleeper cells. we have a number of cases, many, many cases, where the fbi is in surveillance of individuals that we are attempting to watch to make sure they're not going to do an evil act like what happened in san bernardino, but we can't -- we're almost overwhelmed in terms of providing the necessary surveillance. we've compromised some tools, frankly, which i and a number of us on the intelligence committee opposed. but unfortunately, we lost those tools that would give us the opportunity to better find out what these connections were. not after the attack, but hopefully before, so we could prevent that. i think congress has some work to do. the administration has some work to do to beef up and provide the resources to both the fbi and our intelligence agencies to hopefully prevent these types of things. but they're out there and it's a reality that we have to deal with. >> senator, when you talk about tools that you no longer have, are you talking about the obama

administration's adjustments to really the degrees of information and communications that they are able to really seek from people in the u.s.? >> yes, i am. what we're finding out here postmortem, those tools are reaching back several years now to even 2012. we've compromised that reachback to two years under this plan that was supposed not only by the president but several members of congress. also the possibility to get this information very, very quickly. think about boston. we use that ability to track a phone number, which allowed us ton learn that that person was not talking to a foreign terrorist and the threat we thought was going to take place in new york we could eliminate. so it is a tool that can be very, very helpful in times of both quickly learning whether or not something else is going to happen and also giving us the information that who is talking to terrorists, what are they

saying, and this is not a breach of your privacy. if you're talking to a foreign terrorist, this tool can be very, very helpful -- >> can i ask you -- i'm sorry to interrupt you on this, senator. because i want to really -- i want to pin this down. do you have definitive evidence that because of some of those adjustments in surveillance, that is the reason why clues were missed here? this specific case? >> no, we don't. it is one of many tools that we have. the question is, how do we -- should we be compromising ourselves, putting ourselves in more at a disadvantage in learning these type of things? this is something congress and the executive branch has to re-examine based on the votes and the mischaracterization of how these tools are used. they're not used to invade anybody's privacy. they're used to find out if anybody is talking to known tear rivets. >> i want to ask you about something senator lindsey graham said. he raised questions about the marriage of this husband and wife team.

let's listen. >> is there any evidence that this marriage was arranged by a terrorist organization or terrorist operative, or was it just a meeting on the internet? >> i don't know the answer to that yet. >> do you agree with me if it was arranged by a terrorist operative or organization, that is a game changer? >> it will be a very, very important thing to know. >> so you, as a member of the intel committee, do you think that this was a marriage arranged by terrorist leaders? if so, what are the ramifications beyond this, if that? >> well, there were "ifs" in that statement and we don't know for sure whether this is the case, but i agree, and i think our intelligence community would agree, that if it is an arranged effort through a terrorist organization to create the situation where it looks like this is a normal couple trying

to have children, raise their children as a family, be responsible sit steps citizens, that is another detriment to our ability to detect something happening. a lot of people watched "24" and "homeland" and so forth and so are aware of the fact that people, whether they're sit steps of the united states that have been self-radicalized or whether they are connecting through social media with isil, they pose a threat to us. i think the more we can learn about their methods and tactics, the better chance we have of trying to prevent these things from happening. >> senator dan coats, we really appreciate your time, thank you. coming up, sergeant bowe bergdahl is speaking out for the first time publicly about his nearly five years in taliban captivity. his explanation for walking from his post and why he's comparing himself to the movie character jason bourne. later, a republican presidential candidate governor,

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i'm a prisoner. i want to go home, you know, the men, afghanistan men who were in our prisons, they want to go home too. it's -- let me go. get me to come home. >> for nearly five years, he was imprisoned by the taliban. the circumstances around his 2009 capture were somewhat unclear, even after his captivity ended last year with a controversial prisoner swap and the details really remained hazy of it. now he's breaking his silence and talking to the screenwriter behind movies like "zero dark thirty" and "the hurt locker." the interview on the new season of the wildly popular podcast

serial. he told mark bowle that he walked off his base in eastern afghanistan with the attention of bringing awareness to bad leadership there. >> what i was seeing from my first unit all the way up into afghanistan, alls i was seeing was basically leadership failure to the point that the lives of the guys standing next to me were literally, from what i could see, in danger of something seriously going wrong and somebody being killed. now, as a private first class, nobody is going to listen to me. >> of course. >> nobody is going to take me serious if i say an investigation needs to be put under way that this person needs to be psychologically evaluated. >> he says within 20 minutes of leaving the base, he knew he made a mistake but he didn't turn back. within 24 hours, he was

captured. >> a line of motorcycles, probably about five motorcycles, might have been a couple guys on the back of a couple of the motorcycles. there was probably at least six or seven guys with their ak-47s. there i was, in the open, open desert, and i'm not about to outrun a bunch of motorcycles. >> yeah. >> you know, i couldn't do anything against, you know, six or seven guys with ak 47s and they just pulled up and that was it. >> they said you fought like crazy. >> no, i didn't. i'm not stupid enough to try to fight off -- all's i had was a knife. not stupid enough to try a knife against a bunch of ak 47s. >> he talked about life in captivity and its psychological toll. >> it's like, this mental, like,

you're almost confused, you know, there's times i would wake up and it's just so dark. like, i would wake up not even remembering, like, what i was. you know how you get that feeling, when that word is on the tip of your tongue? >> yeah. >> that happened to me, only it was, like, what am i. >> yeah. >> like, i couldn't -- i couldn't see my hands. i couldn't do anything. the only thing i could do is, like, touch my face and even that wasn't, like, you know, registering right. >> yeah. >> you know? to the point where you just want to scream. and i can't scream. i can't risk that. so it's like you're standing there screaming in your mind. in this room, you're standing in this black and dirt room that's tiny and just on the other side of that flimsy little wooden door that you could probably rip off the hinges is the entire world out there. it is everything that you're missing.

it is everybody, everyone is out there, you know, that wrebreath that you're trying to breathe, the relief you're trying to get, everything is beyond that door. i hate doors now. >> i want to bring in our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto to talk about this. this was -- i listened to this podcast this morning. i know you listened to it. i think one of the things that sticks out is this idea he thought he was going to trek 18 miles to a bigger base to try to -- almost like a whistleblower kind of fashion. what really jumped out to you? >> it was a fan tatastical explanation or at least an idea. there's this thing called duty status whereabouts unknown. he thought going off the base in a war zone like this, everyone's alerted up to the cia, the government. he figured by drawing attention that way, somehow he's going to draw attention to the bad leadership that he alleged there in that first -- in that first comment. which is -- it's just a remarkable thing that you would

imagine might work, you know, particularly in light of the risk you're taking in the area you're in in that country. i mean, it just -- it's almost nuts, right, as you listen to that. the other thing that struck me, you know, whatever the military decides about this case, this is a human story. this is a young american from idaho who spent five years in a dark room not foeing if he was going to survive. you heard that in some of the comments. i hate doors now. screaming in the dark. >> he said he couldn't scream outloud. >> exactly. it was torture. the guy went through torture for five years. but he did have this kind -- it seems -- i don't want to say inflated sense of self but this idea that he was going to somehow prove himself. listen to another comment about how he was saying he wanted to prove what kind of soldier he was. >> i was trying to prove to the world, to anybody who used to know me, that i was capable, you know, of being that person.

>> like a super soldier? >> yeah, capable of doing what i appeared to be. like doing what i did was me saying i am, like, i don't know, jason bourne. >> right, a character in a book or whatever, a character. >> yeah. so i had this fantastic idea that i was going to prove to the world that, you know, i was the real thing. >> to be jason bourne. when he says fantastic there, i don't think he's thinking great idea. he had an idea of fantasy which he regretted, as you said earlier. >> he didn't go to the base. this idea of dust-1, he acknowledges he would be pulling troops away from other things. this is sort of an acknowledgement he knew it would be all hands on deck to come after him, disrupptive to the

mission of u.s. forces there. >> his intention was to be disru disruptive. he imagined himself sort of a whistleblower, right, he was drawing attention to bad behavior there in his view endangering lives. in his view, in his mind, that, you know, pulling all those resources in was, in his view, somehow solving a problem. think of the enormous risks, too. he false efaced the consequence that. >> fascinating in a time when he's facing charges. we'll listen next week. jim sciutto, thanks so much. we've heard bergdahl's reason for leaving his military post, but is anybody really buying it? plus, u.s. strategy on isis, is is it working? that question to senator james inhofe next. and quit a lot, but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology, helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq.

welcome back. we heard army sergeant bowe

bergdahl in his only interview explain why he left his base and what it was like to be held by the taliban for five years. i want to bring in senator james inhofe, senior member the senate armed soim eed services committ. senator, thank you for being with us. you've actually said that bowe bergdahl should be charged with desertion. that's one charge he's facing. he's also facing another charge that would carry a penalty of lifetime in prison. i know you've been briefed on this podcast. in it we know he is alleging leadership failure in his unit and he left his post to draw attention to that. do you believe his explanation? >> no, i don't. he's had a lot of time to think about this and how he'll plead his case. that's exactly what he's doing. one thing that i get upset with him about is that he is distracting us from the real issue. that is turning the five

terrorists loose. this is the worst of the worst. that decision is going to be made by the army, by the military. and i'm glad i'm not making it because i've already made up my mind. i go in biased. but i would say, having been in the army, i know when you're assigned to something, you have to carry through with that duty. they were pulling people off to take care of the problem of bergdahl. you know, i don't see, i don't see that i could be unbiased. >> let me ask you about this, because the army is going to make a decision. general abram will make this decision. at this point, you hear from those officials who are presiding over this. it doesn't seem like they have a lot of interest in bringing charges or even some sort of punitive measure of discharge against bowe bergdahl. knowing that, i mean, what do you think about that? it seems like if you read the tea leaves, nothing's going to

happen. >> well, i think they ought to have general owe deaeroin there, someone who knows what it's like to be on the ground when things really get tough and to know the harm that is done if there's any form of desertion. there's several forms of desertion. so my recommendation is, you bring in odierno and you'll get justice. >> one of the investigators said bergdahl is delusional and some have said, you know, specifically bo bergdahl's attorney said the army bears responsibility for this. this is a guy who flunked out of basic training and the army took him in even though he had been judged to have an adjustment disorder with depression. is this only bowe bergdahl's fault? are there other people who bear some responsibility? >> i'm sure there are. there are people out there, bleeding hearts out there, that are going to make sure that nothing -- but keep in mind, a

lot of those people are people who are not pro-strong military anyway. i'm not talking about the army who's going to be passing some judgment. but they're out there. they're always for somebody who is disruptive. disruptive is a good word to use. because he was disrupting something that was very significant. kay and i have 20 kids and grandkids. i'm concerned about their safety. i'm concerned about what's happened to the military under this president. i think he should be an example of what happens if you desert your job. >> i'm not sure if you're familiar with the first season of serial but it was about a murder in baltimore. the person who was in jail for it, adnan say yesterdyed, follo appearance in this broadcast, was give be the chance to reintroduce some evidence. do you worry with bowe bergdahl being a part of this broadcast, that he'll be getting some

sympathetic treatment because of it? >> people seem to bend over backwards to give sympathetic treatment. if you've been in that situation before, you know that you have to depend on everyone else. you talk to anyone who's in combat, who's over there right now, these troops we've sent over, thank goodness we got them over there, in iraq. they depend on each other. when i go over there, eat in the mess halls with them, they depend on the guy sitting next to them. they don't depend as much on the rank and -- it's the relationship with each other. he deserted his friends. he drew them off their duty. i think i would -- as i say, i'm glad i'm not the one making the decision. because i've already decided. >> senator inhofe, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you, brianna. >> all right, have a good one. coming up, i have a one-on-one interview with john kasich, he's a republican presidential candidate. he's going to join us live to talk about everything from

terrorism to trump. we'll have that next.

just 53 days and counting until the iowa caucuses. the new poll shows trump in his strongest position yet to win the republican nomination. the poll found 35% of gop voters backing trump. that's more than double the support of his closest competitor. this is a poll taken largely before trump calleded for a temporary ban on muslims traveling to the u.s. it's a proposal that was condemned even by members of his own party. last night, trump told cnn he's not worried about the criticism because he can always run as an

independent. here's how he explained it to don lemon. >> here's what jeb bush tweeted. he said, maybe donald negotiated a deal with his buddy hillary clinton continuing this path will put her in the white house. and then he linked to this tweet of you saying that 68% of your supporters would support a third party bid. here's the pledge you signed. you saw this pledge. you know where i'm going. are you going to break this pledge? >> highly unlikely. it's a two-way street. >> what does that mean? >> they said they will be honorable. so far, i can't tell you if they are, but the establishment is not exactly being very good to me. but i'm leading in every poll by a lot. it looks like i'm going to win. my whole life has been about winning. i'm not like so many of the other people that you talk to that are essentially losers, okay, i know how to win. i intend to win. it's the best way of beating the democrats. if i get the nomination. in the fox poll that i'm sure you saw, i'm way ahead of

hillary. head to head, i'm ahead of hillary. i will beat hillary. the one person hillary doesn't want to run against. i get along with democrats, with republicans, with liberals, with everybody. the one person they don't want to run against is me. only me. >> i just want this plain spoken for the viewer. what do you mean when you say if they break this pledge, then you'll break the pledge? what do you mean by that? >> well, if they don't treat me with a certain amount of decorum and respect. if they don't treat me as the front-runner, by far the front-runner. if the playing field is not level, then certainly all options are open. but that's nothing i want to do. >> how will you know that? what determined that? >> i think we'll know. we'll go through the primaries. i'll make a determination. i would imagine they would treat me properly because i'm leading by a lot. >> so the pledge is you keep your word, if they keep their word? >> i want to run as a republican. >> okay. >> donald trump isn't the only

republican candidate toying with this idea breaking his signed pledge to support the party's eventual presidential nominee. here's what ohio governor john kasich said during an appearance before the council on foreign relations wednesday. >> i signed the pledge. that's why you have to be careful with pledges you sign. that i would support the republican nominee. i no, look, is it possible that you change your mind? yeah. it takes something extreme to do it, but i will tell you, sir, there's no way that donald trump's going to be president. i've been saying that for weeks. i don't even take it seriously because he isn't going to win. it's not going to happen. >> governor john kasich is joining me now. we want to talk more with him about this. you heard there trump -- you saying in your own words that trump isn't going to win, but we look at these polls, he's leading every poll. we've been seeing this consistently from the summer into the fall now heading into the winter. will you break your pledge if he

becomes the nominee? >> listen, as i said, it's a long -- first, i'm not going to get out there and say what's going to happen in terms of something that happens months down the road. i've been critical not of the person donald trump but of the division, you know, whether it's attacks on hispanics or muslims or women or a disabled reporter, i just think this not what we need at a time when america really needs to come together. but, you know, pledges i make are very serious. and i'll make a decision on this. and -- but let me also tell you, you have polls. i mean, you poll about 400 people out of 325 million, and he's on the air constantly. so you put me on the air as much as donald's on the air and i would be leading. so, look, we're all going to know this -- >> you think it's the coverage that is solely responsible for dan nald trump's rise -- >> no, i don't think it's fully.

i said in the debate i think he touches something. people's anger. whether they've lost their jobs at the age of 50 and they don't know where they're going to go or their kids can't get a job. but you can't deny when somebody's on television all the time and a celebrity culture, that they're not going to rise in the polls. come on, we all know what the truth is on that. but we're going to have it' lex here. we're going to have a caucus in iowa. we'll come to new hampshire where we have voting. i think we're going to see something different than what these polls indicate right now. i can remember learning in the history book when they said when harry truman held up a newspaper that said dewy won. okay, we have upsets all the time. right now, the polls look like if he doesn't win it's an upset but we got a long way to go. you know that. this is the way this business works. so we'll see. but i have no doubt that if i got the attention of donald trump, i wouldn't be low in the polls. but i don't get that attention.

i'm not complaining. because sometimes i'm not that great of a sound bite. i'm not out to stirrer up and get a lot of eyeballs. it's also that he touches a nerve. i recognize that. i agree with some of the things that he says about people who feel anxious who are concerned, who feel as though they've lost so much. i get that. that's where i come from in my home in mckees rocks. i grew up in that environment, could i get it. >> i want to ask you about something that we heard donald trump say, governor. he said the one person democrats don't want to run against is him, is donald trump. do you think that's true? >> i kind of chuckled at that because, you know, we have a lot the pollsters and democratic political people who say they don't want to run against me because i'm hard to label, i'm herd to define because of my ability to create jobs and also help people who live in the shadows and expertise on national security. but, you know, all the

candidates are beginning to say that. but, you know what, look, at the end, we're going to have elections. and then we're going to know. and then we'll all know who our nominee is going to be. it's probably going to take a long time and a long process. you know, i don't want anybody harm. i just wish the candidates when they're talking about our country would be more unifying and maybe mr. trump will become more unifying. we'll have to see. >> i wonder what you think about -- when it compan comes t pledge and you say it would take something extreme for you to violate it. i guess i would wonder, if you were looking at a choice between donald trump and hillary clinton, it seems, judging by what you've said about trump and obviously how we know you feel about hillary clinton that it would be the choice between the lesser of two evils, which one is it? >> you can't put words in my mouth. the fact is, i have not said that i wouldn't be for the nominee. i just said that, you know, you

make a pledge. my sense is you keep it. we all make pledges. we want to be able to keep it. i think probably at the end i will be able to keep it. i'm just saying we have to see what happens here. one of the things i'm most concerned about is hillary clinton being elected president. i think if we have a candidate that's out there dividing people, i think it's very hard for them to win ohio. remember, i am the governor of ohio, elected twice, and no republican has gotten to the white house without winning ohio. i am not convinced that a platform of division and attacks will allow us to win. so that's why i have, for weeks now, been concerned and warning about the politics of division as opposed to the politics of hope, of lifting people, of job creation, of good security. i think that's what will win in ohio and across our country. >> governor, back to what you said, i may be putting words in your mouth so i want to make sure i'm not doing that and to quote you from what you said.

you said is it possible that you changed your mind when asked about this pledge -- >> anything's possible. >> well, some thing's not possible. are we misreading that? >> yesterday, i made a speech at the council of foreign relations which i would commend our listeners to watch. there are issues here of national security, job growth, being able to get ourselves in a position where people can get work where their kids can get work. and i've enjoyed the interview, but, you know, i've said all i have to say about that. so we can talk about national security and job creation, we'd be in a little better place. i have all i have to say about that other issue, but i appreciate your persistent, brianna. i was in television myself and i kind of know how it works. >> well, i'm actually trying to get to the bottom and understand what you meant. i do want to ask you about the recent debate about how to deal with refugees or in the case

trump's plan, even tourists and students who are muslim coming into the u.s. he has gotten a lot of attention for this proposal to temporary ban muslims entering the u.s. what would your approach be? >> well, look, i made a couple things. as i outlined yesterday, i think we ought to have a coalition just like we had in the first gulf war to go into the middle east with both arabs and our western friends and we need to destroy isis where they are. secondly, we need to make sure that our process of visas, the visa waiver program, needs to be reviewed. i'm glad congress is going to do it. thirdly, our joint terrorism task force needs the resources and tools to be able to determine when there's a plot against us. and the people in san bernardino who are communicating with people who have been under watch, but yet we didn't know they were contacting them. the issue of encryption is a big one. it's a complicated one. but it must be solved so our law enforcement people can disrupt these plots before we have to deal with the aftermath.

so tighten things up in terms of who comes in here. destroy isis. ma make sure our people here in america have the tools they need. begin to tell the world about the values of western civilization. quality of women, free speech, the right to practice religion, a belief in education, and science. these are the things that will win the day. we got to be aggressive about that i think, brianna. >> governor john kasich, joining us from the campaign trail in man chest, new hampshire. >> thank you, i enjoyed being with you, thank you. >> i enjoyed being with you as well, thank you so much for joining us. you know, we have talked a lot this hour about national security and terrorism. you just heard there from john kasich and you're going to be hearing from all of the candidates during the last republican presidential debate of 2015, next tuesday, coming up quickly here, december 15th, moderated by our own wolf blitzer. just ahead, muslim-americans raise money for victims of the california terrorist attack. we will talk with the man who is

leading the effort. we'll also get reaction to donald trump's call for a ban on muslims entering the country. .

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. donald trump is calling for a ban on muslims entering the u.s. muslim-americans in san bernardino, california have been very busy raising money for victims of the terrorist attack and have shattered their fundraising goal. a muslim neurologist spearheaded this campaign and joining me now from san bernardino. first of all, doctor, we understand that you raised

$177,000 so far. how did you come up with this idea and how did you get the support to do this? >> well, thank you for having me. we're a local nonprofit. we began as a group of physicians caring for our families in our neighborhoods. we've been doing this for years. when this tragedy first occurred last week we realized a lot of our families would necessarily be affected by this tragedy and we wanted to be there to support and care for them. therefore we launched the fund, even prior to the name the perpetrators were actually known. >> so you wanted to do this because you felt it would affect the community. tell us how this money is going to be used and i imagine you're expecting to exceed that $177,000 number. i know this has been climbing. where is this money going to go? >> well, what began as a small project at the request of various muslim leaders and

scholars in southern california it became a national campaign, a muslim campaign and we have broken our fourth extension of our goal. we are working with all the county designated processes and procedures, united way is the leading way organization that will be distributing the funds. >> i want to get your perspective, doctor, what donald trump has said lately. he set off this firestorm of criticism by calling for a temporary ban on muslims entering the united states. he says he has the support of muslim leaders. let's listen. >> i'm doing good for the muslims. i've been called by one of the most important people of the middle east and he said donald you've done a tremendous service to the muslims. >> react to that comment. what is your take on what he's saying? >> well, first thing mr. trump's comments don't phase me personally as much because the work i'm doing is empowering for

me an my family and friends because we're engaged in caring for people. we'll continue to do our job despite the political rhetoric. i can't speak for all american-muslims but this campaign to raise funds has basically given a very clear message for what our faith is all about and what we stand for. >> when you talk, though, to muslim-americans that you know are they concerned about-fa fac backlash? >> absolutely. backlash is clearly evident, there's fear. muslim community is very concerned and rightly so. a number of hate incidents have been noted already. i think some of the political rhetoric doesn't help. to me personally i just wish there was more time to heal for somebody like me who is doing work on the ground. we just needed more time to work with our families that's afflicted as opposed to having to pay attention to political rhetoric which is not hopeful. >> doctor, you have raised

$177,000 for the families there affected by the shootings in san bernardino. we certainly hope you shatter yet another record and thanks so much for coming on. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> that's it for me for our international viewers christiane amanpour is next and next brooke baldwin newsroom starts right after this. this is a body of proof. proof of less joint pain. and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation

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hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. we have a frantic manhunt for terror suspects on there's and tey are linked to the attacks in paris. we're talking specifically today about geneva, switzerland. you can see the map, geneva not too far at all from paris and right now the city in switzerland is on high alert as security