tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN December 10, 2015 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
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>> after that trump was like now i'm now banning all bald eagles from america. >> reporter: guess whose time has come for bird of the year? jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thank you for joining us. be sure to set your dvr to record "outfront." "ac 360" starts now. >> good evening. thanks for joining us there is breaking news on several fronts of the san bernardino investigation. an fbi dive team spent hours today searching a lake not far from the site of last week's deadly shooting and we're learning details why that lake is a focus and details who may have led the male shooter down the path of radicalization. our kyung lah joins us with the latest. i'm hearing the search at the lake is wrapping up for tonight. do we know what they were looking for? >> reporter: anderson, the search here at the lake wrapped up just a short time ago. we don't know exactly what they found but we know that they are
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not done yet. we are told by the fbi that the dive teams will be back out here in the morning at daybreak and what we saw here for the last few hour was a pain staking search. divers slowly and methodically going step by step, swimming very slowly looking for something. we're told what the fbi is specifically looking for is anything that was missing from the apartment. they are specifically looking for a hard drive. they are very interested in trying to find a hard drive that was missing from the apartment where this married couple, the would be terrorist lived in. that is something they are looking for and the reason they came here in the first place, there was a tip the suspects were here on the day of the shooting. anderson? >> there is new details emerging about the husband and his possible ties to a larger terror network. what do you know? >> and this really goes to the timeline, which is something that the fbi is trying very hard to build. we are told that the fbi is
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looking at a relationship, friendship between farook, the male gunman and a man who was arrested and convicted in a 2012 terror plot. we need to be very clear this 2012 terror plot that arrested four people originally from this area, it was an attack planned in afghanistan on u.s. bases. the fbi asking that people understand that this was not an attack here in the united states, but there was some sort of relationship between these two according to a law enforcement official. they are looking into that and curious because that helps them build a timeline, how long this suspect may have been planning something like san bernardino. >> and it was believed that they visited that lake and that's white was the area of the search? i mean, do they know for a fact something was thrown in that lake or placed in the lake or just, do we know if they are trying to cover their, all their tracks? >> reporter: it's a little bit
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of both. what we're told by the fbi is that there is an eyewitness report, some sort of report, a lead that they were here on the day of the attack. the fbi being very meticulous saying they are not sure if it is not revealing whether it was before or after the massacre but that there is a report they came here and that's why they are painstakingly going through this lake bit by bit. >> kyung lah, thank you. joining me now is tom fuentes and cnn intelligence and security analyst bob baer. tom, given that the husband here was hanging out with four men who were convicted of providing material support to terrorism planning on fighting against u.s. forces in afghanistan, do you think law enforcement should have had him on their radar? >> we don't know, anderson, when you say hanging out or links to or somebody's connected with that makes it very difficult to say was there a real
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relationship? a couple contacts? again that group was planning to go to afghanistan as kyung mentioned and commit an attack overseas and all arrested. so, you know, apparently farook did not get into that group enough where he would have been seen as someone also intenting to go and commit a terrorist act against u.s. troops in afgh afghanist afghanistan. >> was this an intelligence failure or do we not know enough at this point? >> i think so far it wasn't. the fbi can only move if there is an act, if farook bought a ticket, he had anyway material support to terrorism. the most the fbi can do is simply go knock on his door and say are you a radical? he'll say no. i don't think so far what we've heard, it's not an intelligence failure but what the fbi is concerned about and i know from law enforcement services, there is a wider network and they are
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afraid they will launch another attack. they cannot be sure and that's why they are out there diving and trying to get mat terial fr the cell phone and looking for encrypted communications. this is very much an open case, still. >> tom, in our coverage of the attacks in paris and elsewhere, we focussed a lot on how difficult it is for in france's case french intelligence or law enforcement to track the number of potential jihadists that they v it takes a lot of people to track even one person. what about the u.s. capabilities? the fbi, do they have enough manpower? >> the same thing. i ran surveillance operations in the squad in chicago which did just that, most of the time gangsters but also terrorists. it takes about 30 agents to follow one person around the clock and so -- i'm sorry, anderson. >> that's okay. >> so the idea there is enough resources and what would be the
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people? 1.1 million people on the general watch list and these guys, farook wasn't even on it. so i think that, you know, it is difficult to do that surveillance until you really have absolute reason to do it, which was the case back in the spring in boston where they were following the individual that would go out and behead police officers, you know, they did have a full surveillance around the clock, wiretap around the clock and able to save lives by eliminating that person before he could conduct the attack. >> bob, in terms of the investigation, i mean, as you said it's still very much open. what are the big questions for you that are still open? >> for me, predictably it is whether she was recruited in pakistan, whether she was sent here, whether she was trooping for someone to get her a k visa. i keep on hearing the suspicion among law enforcement somehow she was prepared to come to the united states and you would need the pakistanis to help and i
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would like to see help from the saudis who radicalized her if indeed she was radicalized because that's very important because once you connect the dots with that, you can look for other networks, for the fbi it's frustrating to get the pakistanis to level with us and same way with the saudis. it's always been that way since 9/11. >> it's been that way the entire time? >> yes, absolutely. they still have not come to terms with the fact that 15 of those hijackers on 9/11 were recruited in saudi arabia, were prepared and sent to the united states. there hasn't been one indictment. the saudis are reluctant to admit they have a problem, radicalization problem inside their country and don't like to admit it to us. they are not supporting these attacks but it's just the whole educational system there is geared toward violent jihad. >> as bob knows, if i could add, the saudis are funding all over the world that are preaching
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this fate and recruiting people to do these attacks. that funding is coming out of saudi arabia. >> and promoting a very stick form of islam that is not that different and some of its tenants as what we see from some of these groups. >> true. >> bob, thanks, tom, thanks. to switzerland and more breaking news. swiss authorities raised the terror alert level as police search for four people with ties to isis alledgedly plotting attacks in switzerland and the u.s. one official saying quote, we have gone from a vague threat to a precise threat. the u.s. embassy issued a security message, that's what they call it for u.s. citizens in switzerland telling them quote, review personal security plans, remain aware of surroundings and monitor local news stations for updates. security is ramped up in geneva, the second largest un facility in the world. joining me is paul cruickshank the co-author of agent storm, my
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life inside al qaeda and the cia. >> the attacks were being planned. what have you learned? >> what we learned from a european security source briefed on the intelligence is that there are three factors which led to the alert in geneva. the first is an intercepted stream of communications by the united states of suspected isis to europe discussing the idea of launching a plan of attacks in various cities including ja kge and toronto and chicago. the belief or aspirational plans to attack these cities, the second factor is the recently the vehicle, a van crossed the swiss border and they ran the number plates and found that that van had a link back to an associate of salah abdeslam, the
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so-called eighth attacker still at large linked to the paris attack. footage picked up the vehicle coming through and when they ran the plates, they are obviously concerned given that an associate of salah abdeslam could have come in to switzerland. they found the van but they did not find the driver of the van and there was a third factor and that's in just the last day, the french authorities have identified the third attacker at the bataclan theater and he was recruited by a french extremist from the geneva area to travel to syria and one of the associates of that french extremist in the geneva area wanted a man who is believed to travel as well as syria and maybe back in europe and swiss national and they are concerned about him. there are three different factors that contributed. >> all troubling. do swiss authorities have any
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idea where the guys planning these attacks on the u.s. are right now? >> they do not have a handle on that at the moment. there were four individuals picked up in these communication streams discussing aspirational plots to hit various cities including chicago in the united states. swiss authorities, european intelligence services don't have a good handle where they are and don't have a good handle where that van driver was, either, all where swiss national is and six individuals suspected to be connected back to isis and syria perhaps back on european soil and all of that obviously feeding into concerns in the wake of the paris attacks, anderson. >> part of the intelligence behind this came from the u.s.? >> yeah, a u.s. intelligence tip about these aspirational plans, which was one of the key things which led to this security alert in geneva and the security at the airport, warning for jewish
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communities living in the area, as well and also according to local media, they moved a key meeting that was going to take place tomorrow between the americans and russians on the top pick of syria from the u.n. site where it would take place to another site. they are not saying where that is going to be now. >> paul, thank you very much. >> thank you. >>. just ahead, protesters back on the streets of chick kick and donald trump speaking tonight. what his staunchest supporters say about him and why that's causing such a panic in the gop. there's something out there. that can be serious, even fatal to infants. it's whooping cough, and people can spread it without knowing it. understand the danger your new grandchild faces. talk to your doctor or pharmacist about a whooping cough vaccination today.
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breaking news tonight in chicago, a live picture, protesters on the streets again some lying down in the streets. we're told this march started the federal building heading to city hall. as you may know over the past few days, calls for major rob emanuel to resign have been growing. we've been seeing protest like this for the past two weeks following the release of the video, the shooting of laquan mcdonald. it took more than a year for the video to be released. martin savidge joins me now. i understand there are several stops along the way. >> reporter: there have. in fact, we're in the middle of one now. city hall is actually just about, well, it's within sight, about a block down the street behind us here and what happens just like they have on other nights, the crowd and it's roughly maybe 150, sometimes as many as 200. it drifts. they move, they stop, they move
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again and what they take advantage of is we're downtown chicago, the streets, the side streets here and all the shops are open and packed with people. they are in fact, not only playing to an audience not in city hall but the citizens of this city. so it may not seem like there's a lot of people participating, but there are a lot of people listed and one thing that's been shown is that support for rob emanuel has been taking a drastic turn and not in his favor and that despite that very emotional and heart felt speech he delivered at city counsel. >> what's the tenner of the protest? peaceful? >> reporter: it has been peaceful. vocally it's very, very loud but it has been peaceful. it's organized. the police are here on the sidelines as they have been throughout this. there is this kind of communication that goes on between demonstrators and authorities, ironic since most are very much against the
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chicago police and actions they say that have been taken. so peaceful, no arrests that we know of so far but it's still moving and we're going with it. >> all right. martin savidge, thank you and martin young joins us. what struck you about what you've seen so far today, ryan? >> reporter: i think the big thing, anderson is the crowds are smaller than what we've seen before. we've seen large crowds, especially on black friday in the hundreds or close to 700, 800 people. this crowd is about down to 75 to 100 people. so you see a change. there is also a much different mood around here. multi cultural. you can see some of them are from the community. some people traveled to come here for this. but we've heard different things here. most of the people are talking about getting anita alvarez out of office and rob emanuel but people talk about changing in
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terms of wanting community members to be part of the process to make sure they help find the next superintendent in the city. there are a couple people deciding to challenge officers, get in their faces a bit. they stay on the perimeters. in fact, that's something they have been doing throughout the protest. they stay on the sides and don't engage but tonight a few people have been in the crowd and decided they want to go in the faces of the officers and maintained their cool so far. we've seen this remain peaceful and you see them sitting in this kind of area here and sometimes they just sit down in the middle of the street and occupy it. that's what we've watched throughout the evening. >> is the plan for these protests to continue nightly? >> reporter: that's -- you know what? we heard this yesterday, someone wanted to take this through the new year but every night seems like a different group is doing the protest so not sure what to expect. we thought this crowd would be larger. we seen a lot more people. when they got to city hall, 25 to 50 people left the protest at
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this point. some people have been calling for more from the mayor, some people want him to resign, so it depends who you talk to because there are several different groups combining for the protest. >> we'll check back on the situation later. just ahead, donald trump's first big appearance since unveiling the plan to keep muslims out of the country. poll numbers on how long the support is for republican voters and why it worries party insiders so much. ♪ ♪
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donald trump is in port smith new hampshire tonight, his first big campaign event since advocating a ban on muslims entering the united states. he just finished speaking to the police union that just endorsed him saying the san bernardino killings validate the need to keep muslims out. >> when i talked about what i said the other day, all of a sudden i'm watching the shows this morning and i'm watching the shows tonight, well, you know, trump has a point. the visa system is not working. this woman came in on a marriage visa and she was totally radicalized and she came in and
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all of a sudden they are saying it's not working. the visa system. we've got to get down to the problems. we can't worry about being politically correct. we just can't afford any more to be so politically correct. >> donald trump tonight in new hampshire. the larger backdrop, new polling that shows strong support for trump and ideas within the republican party whether the party leadership likes it or not. our chief national correspondent john king looks at that and more tonight by the numbers. john, these new numbers, what do they show? >> first numbers asking americans what think think of donald trump's proposal to ban must almoslims from entering. 25% of voters support that but 6 in 10 poppose the proposal. 57% is among all voters. 38, 39% divide. mr. trump's proposal may not hurt them and the wall street
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journal said did donald trump's comments frequently insulting and he has the wrong approach on many issues? 41% agreed. 24% agreed with this statement. trump's manner and language bother me but he's raising important issues. so they may oppose 6 in 10 may oppose the plan but trump still has considerable support. >> also new changes in the republican race. >> dramatic changes and again, trump is on top. this is from a cbs new york times poll. trump staying on top with 35% but cruise and carson, especially if i bring in october numbers you see the difference. donald trump up from october. ted cruz quadrupled up from 16% and ben carson support is cut in half and marco rubio and rand paul finishing the top five in the republican race. that's a big shift but again in the national poll, yet another one, anderson, showing donald trump remains with a commanding lead. >> i know one of the polls asked potential voters to describe their feelings of if donald
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trump or hillary clinton were elected president. >> this is interesting. especially they were asked if there is a president trump, if donald trump wins would you be excited, optimistic, concerned or scared. 4 in 10 would be concerned and 1 11% say excited. let's have comparison to a president clinton. only 9% say they would be excited. a smaller percentage say they would be scared. 34 to 40%, about the same and were cann concerned, a very much along partisan lines. would you want donald trump as president? 25% of republicans would be excited and 10% of democrats combined would be excited or optimistic. republicans are less concerned and democrats are much more squared of donald trump. they would be squacared and 65% republicans would be scared of a
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clinton presidency and guess what? democrats don't like donald trump and republicans don't like hillary clinton. shocking. >> thank you. more now on the problem that some of those numbers speak to the gop may nominate someone that resonates with the current republican base but out of the general election main stream. we just learned that the possibility of a contested convention was on the agenda at a party strategy meeting this week. let's get perspective from three conservative voices that could be called main stream. rick who named his bus the main stream express and ross and washington post columnist kathleen parker. congressman, you see donald trump and the latest poll numbers. is the republican establishment out of touch with the republican base? >> there is a lot of fear out there, arounder anderson and a poll that says the fear of domestic terrorism is at an all-time high. >> number one issue.
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so his strength right now is his strength. it is the fact that tough talk equates for many voters to strength and looking for somebody to help make them safe. the real story in my mind and i think this play out over the course of a relatively long nomination season is that his tag line is i'll make america great again but what makes america great is our values, our traditions, the things that we believe in. the greatest and most iconic to me landmark in america is not sing sing, the statute of liberty inspires people to think this country is great, not just here in the u.s., but overseas. so when he talks about using religious tests to block people from coming in, you can't imagine people like abraham lincoln for example or ronald reagan who apologized to the japanese americans. >> paid reparations.
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>> interesting since trump himself sites the fdr intu intournament to use the religious test and ronald reagan, one of the most inspirational figures of the last 50 or 100 years was the guy that repudiated that and apologized. >> kathleen, 35% of republicans support donald trump, far ahead of anybody else. >> yeah, they do and i think that, you know, the party leaders are pretty worried about it there are a lot of meetings going on and lots of high-ranking not only the party members but the funders of various campaigns are looking to see what are we going to do? are we going to let this play out and let him -- see where he goes or take some more strategic action. >> what more can they do? >> just condemn him generally and they will lose that percentage of voters that actually like him. i don't know the 35% is representative of those who will
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vote for him. there is a difference there. still have a year to go. if they did that, there are some people making the argument, let's just go ahead and lose them. if we lose the election, let's at least keep the senate and house and let's focus on 2020. that's already -- >> can the gop afford to do that? >> the secret here is trump isn't actually winning what people think of as the republican base. he's winning some but a big chunk of the vote is self-described moderate and liberal republicans, which doesn't mean that they are liberal necessarily in the way that, you know, maybe people that read "the new york times" understand the term but they are often working class and disaffected white men in the midwest and northeast, voters some of whom stayed home in 2012 rather than vote for mitt romney and not a conkntitconconsit --
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web they didn't really know what these voters wanted in 2012 or 2008, either. but the one thing to your question what they could actually do, the one thing that hasn't really happened is there aren't major republican organizations, forget the other candidates going after trump on the air waves running ads against him. there were some john kasich ran this sort of over the top ad comparing trump to hitler in new hampshire, the koch brothers aren't attacking donald trump in iowa. you have some groups doing that. there hasn't been a full spectrum press against trump because the assumption is he'll fade or it's not worth attacking him because you don't want to alienate supporters. >> i would say another thing here is that donald trump is really an attitude more than a plan and at some point, the party leaders need to press him for an actual credible plan which i think he's largely lacking. >> he's been pressed in
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countless interviews and his supporters don't seem to care so much about that a lot of the lines that aren't filled in aren't -- >> he needs to grow his numbers and he's going to have a real challenge it seems to me if he does not have a credible plan and does not come across as somebody who you can trust and, by the way, the last cycle in 2012, romney didn't take the lead permanently until february 28th. so we're along way from that. we saw hermann cane and newt gingrich and rick santorum. everybody had their time in the sun and so that -- >> but in the last campaign at this point, we knew that romney was going to be the establishment's guy even though he was only polling at 20% or so and i think the challenge this time and i think what is panicking people is that it's not clear -- i mean, people assume now it will be rubio but there isn't a candidate who has romney's position and a lot of people in the establishment are
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saying well, you know, trump is at 35% but ted cruz is behind him and cruz is -- cruz is unacceptable. >> we see him moving into the number one position. >> numbers have gone up a lot. >> absolutely and he's got the infrastructure in place and well organized and building this on the sidelines and suddenly moving up. >> i actually want to talk more about christie and we'll take a quick break and we'll talk more about him and the others. hold that thought. who ted cruz really thinks about donald trump. remarks he made and randi kaye is in new hampshire and spent the day talking to trump supporters there asking them what they think of this so-called gop can in this case and m -- candidate and remarks about banning muslims. we'll be right back. more people reach for advil. relief doesn't get any better than this. advil.
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itself isn't unusual but what stands out is what it reveals about the strength of the support and as we've been talking about with the panel how frustrated republican party leader haves become in dealing with that. we'll talk more in a moment with the panel but first, randi kaye on the people who for now are trumping party. >> reporter: members of the new england police association showing support for donald trump in new hampshire, despite the growing list of his inflammatory remarks. does any of that concern you? we have a president of the united states that has no respect for law enforcement officers. that's the problem right now. >> reporter: jerry flynn once met with trump. >> found him to be very charming and -- >> reporter: charming is not a word you hear a lot when talking about donald trump. >> i think that he is what he
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is. he's a vecan poke the bear and that well. >> reporter: so well there is a growing panic among some in his party he could win the nomination but because of his infri inflammatory remarks about women, muslims, many say he wouldn't stand a chance in a general election. you're not concerned about him being a nominee? >> no, i want him to be president of the united states. >> reporter: johnny arnold thinks trump could take democrat hillary clinton in matchup. >> when it comes to immigration and debt, when it comes to defending our country, i feel like he's stronger than she is. >> reporter: despite what some republicans are saying, no one here told us tonight they thought trump was hurting his party. >> he's trying to make america great again and i think he's doing it his way on his own the way he would work in business. >> reporter: and you think that's playing well in the party, not driving people away from the party. >> i think it's playing well with the public.
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and the party will i guess be determined at the convention. >> reporter: about that new york times cbs poll showing among all registered voters, 40% say a trump presidency scared them. does a donald trump presidency scare you? >> not at all. when it comes to a lot of presidents, they don't know how to say no and may be basic answer but i feel like he has so much fire, if we were to be attacked for example, he knows how to say no. >> reporter: meanwhile with so many critics inside the gop, trump is flirting with the idea as running independent and according to a usa today poll, 68% of his supporters say they would go with him. would you consider crossing party lines to vote for donald trump? >> i'll leave you with this, ronald reagan said i didn't leave the democratic party. the democratic party left me. >> reporter: all right. i'll take that as a yes. >> randi kaye joins us now from port smith. what was the general impression
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you think this group has of donald trump? it seems like strength, seems like personality. >> reporter: and trust, anderson, for sure. that is a word i heard a lot here. they really believe, most of them who i spoke with that donald trump has their back. i mean, he's told this group tonight that he loves the police. he also promised if he were elected president, if anyone were to shoot and kill a police officer that that person would get the death penalty so they believe that he would look out for them. they believe he's a businessman and understands labor unions, which is also very important to him and think he's misunderstood and really does love america and cares about making america great again but not everyone here was thrilled about seeing donald trump. there was a large group of protestors outside the hotel where he was speaking inside the hotel. one man came into the lob rlobb brave, dump trump. a big night for donald trump with that endorsement. >> again, poll numbers leading the polls. randi kaye, thanks.
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back with my panel. we talked a little bit before the break about ted cruz that if it's not trump, trump supporters might go to ted cruz. cruz spoke today on i think the new york times and they recorded it at a fundraiser yesterday. he was asked about, he was referring to voters perceptions of donald trump and ben carson. let's listen. >> who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? now that's a question of strength but also a question of judgment and i think that is a question that's a challenging question for both of them. so my approach much to the frustration of the media has been to bear hug both of them and smother them with love because i think, look, people run as who they are. i believe that gravity will bring both of the campaigns down and i think the lion share of their supporters come to us. >> for republicans, though, who
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don't like donald trump, i mean, it's not as if ted cruz is an establishment republican candidate. he's not like by a lot of the establishment. >> no, he's not liked by the establishment but he is kind of an establishment candidate. he's got his resume reads like any other in the senate and although he has played as an out liar and stirred up trouble with the house and government but he is a contrast, actually, to trump when he starts talking about what to do about isis. he actually sounds a little bit more like rand paul or president obama in the sense that he's -- he is critical of our sort of adventurous. >> more boots on the ground. >> exactly. he's more restrained on that and i think that's probably very helpful to him in contrast to, you know, i'm going to bomb them until -- i'm sorry. he did say i'm going to bomb them until -- >> carpet bomber. that's the point of over lap. >> what point, though? >> intervention in syria. >> exactly. >> he's trying to set up -- i mean, cruz like a lot of people thinks it's actually going to
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come down to him and rubio. he's trying right now to set up contrast with rubio more interventionest. >> you said during the break you don't believe donald trump can get the nomination in the gop. >> no. >> why? >> i think that he still has pretty high unfavorable numbers and has a ceiling and i think the ceiling is probably around where he is right now and i think -- i mean, i agree with cruise in the sense that i think gravity will have an effect on him and i think even in a scenario where he keeps getting -- first of all. >> you are saying that from before he entered the race? >> the latest poll, the poll that prompted probably trump to announce his plan to keep all muslims out of the united states was a poll showing cruz pulling made of him in iowa and there is a fair number of good polls on the ground in iowa that showed trump slipping a bit. i think it's very likely cruz wins iowa and when he does, trump is no longer the guy boasting how he's killing it and
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goes into new hampshire and there say poll -- a lot of the polls. a big unknown is trump is a candidate kind of like jessie the body ventura and arnold schwarzenegger was where there are a lot of people that don't usually vote who right now are telling pollsters they will vote for trump and that's pushing up poll numbers. with schwarzenegger and ventura, a lot of these people did vote and that's why they won and they were running -- >> there seems to be enthusiasm for trump among those who say they will vote for trump -- >> there is real -- i'm not denying there say real trump n i don't see how the math works to get him to 45%. >> you see this going to june. >> i think potentially because this year for the first time in election cycles or republican party rules have changed where there is much more proportional allocation of delegates during the primary season, all of the
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primaries with the exception of south carolina which was grandfathered in between new hampshire and march 15th will be proportion l. so you don't have to win out right. you can stay in the game and have a number of candidates accumulate delegates and it's only until later, about 60% of the overall delegates will be proportion l. the other big issue is will republicans want to govern? it's great to be a tough talker. it's great to have an altitude but can you be elected if you can't bring minorities along and get the vote up, there is a demographic shift that will continue into the future. republicans have to be more of a minority party. >> thank you so much congressman and russ, kathleen parker, thank you very much. fascinating stuff. up next, bowe bergdahl in his own words for the first time. we're hearing his reasons for leaving his army post in afghanistan in his own words in the middle of the night.
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with the taliban charged with desertion for the first time you'll hear about the entire ordeal from bergdahl himself. many of his conrads, fellow soldiers, though, sent into enemy territory looking for him say they have heard and seen enough. cnn's jake tapper reports. >> reporter: shortly after bow bergdahl left his post in afghanistan in 2009 the gravity of what he did shocked him. >> 20 minutes in i'm going good grief, i'm in over my head and starts to sink in i really did something bad, well, not bad but i really did something serious. >> reporter: for the first time since the obama administration controversial and possibly illegally traded the taliban five of their prisoners in exchange for bergdahl, a dramatic release captured on tape by tall boiban forces, the figure explained why he left with the film maker and pod cast serial.
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bergdahl admits he left on his own will and he wanted to draw attention to the problems with leadership. >> i was fully confident when somebody took a look at the situation and when people started investigating the situation, that people would understand that i was right. you know, what was going on, what a danger to the lives of the men in the company. >> reporter: bergdahl wanted to show he was a super soldier like jason born. >> all those guys out there who go to the movies and watch these movies, they want to be that but i wanted to prove that i was that. >> reporter: it was a decision he would relive during his next five years in taliban captivity. bergdahl, a 23-year-old private first class at the time wrapped his head in a scarf and walked away. his platoon mates say they were supported to return to a larger base that day where bergdahl could have voiced any concerns.
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bergdahl says as a private first class he would not have been taken seriously but platoon mads believe he put fellow troops in danger with six of them killed in various missions afterward. >> i don't know if there is anyone that can prove soldiers died on a directed mission to find bergdahl, however, every mission especially in the following two or more months were directed missions. everything after that were still missions that were in search of bergdahl. >> reporter: bergdahl says after he left the post he looked for someone planting ieds he could track but instead he got lost and in the morning he was spotted by a group of insurgents. >> they pulled up and that was it. >> reporter: they said you fought like crazy. [ laughter ] >> no, i didn't. i'm not stupid enough to try and fight off -- all i had was a knife. i'm not stupid enough to try to knife off a bunch of guys with ak-47s.
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>> reporter: and then for five years, the horror of a tiny blackened dirt room. >> just on the other side of that flimsy little wooden door you would probably easily rip off the hinges is the entire world out there. everything is beyond that door. i hate doors now. >> reporter: jake tapper, cnn, washington. fascinating to actually hear his voice. there is a lot more happening tonight. the 360 news and business bull ton. anderson, the president of sidell in south carolina began suspension hearings for the cadets in this photo wearing white pillowcases over their heads looking like clue collecti members. the train ended up rolling five miles before it stopped. no one was hurt but somewhere charlie is smiling. and in paris, madonna gave a
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