they had gone into a convention with without a nominee. will this be the year? >> so far, no one has managed to land any punches on him. the question now is whether ted cruz who's emerging as one of trump's main rivals could soon become the latest candidate to try to knock him from his perch. >> both of them i like and respect both donald and ben. i do not believe either one of them is going to be our nominee. their campaigns have a natural arc. >> reporter: newly released audio from a private fund-raiser released to "the new york times" has ted cruz questioning the judgment of donald trump and ben carson. >> who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? i think people run as who they are. i believe gravity will bring both of those campaigns down. >> reporter: cruz has avoided public criticism of the billionaire.

but now just four days away from the next cnn republican debate, cruz may not be able to avoid him anymore. the senator now polling second in the latest national gop poll. even though trump is leading by almost 20%. this as trump continues to outline controversial proposals. >> anybody killing a police officer, death penalty. it's going to happen. okay? >> reporter: the latest, trump says if elected prz, he would sign an executive order to mandate the death penalty for convicted cop killers. >> police forces throughout the country have had a hard time. a lot of people kill. a lot of people killed very violently, sitting in a car, waiting, sitting in a car watching, and somebody comes from behind. >> reporter: and trump's plan to ban all muslims from entering the u.s. igniting a firestorm of backlash. >> i no longer think he's funny. >> yes. >> i will say i started -- [ applause ] >> reporter: it doesn't appear to be resonating with voters.

more than half saying they oppose his controversial ban in a new national poll. trump's divisive proposals are making the gop nervous. meanwhile, cnn has learned that a group of republican leaders met in private to discuss a plan for a contested convention. which would be triggered if no candidate has enough delegates to win the nomination. now, this talk of a brokered convention is a sign the gop race for the nomination could be a fight to the finish. one participant in that meeting said no one is fight sure what will happen. the point here is that given the crowded field and the way the delegates are awarded they've got to be prepared for anything. chris? >> all right, athena, thank you very much. let's break it down. we bring in nia-malika henderson. we have good numbers here. we have the cbs news/"new york times" poll numbers. >> brand new numbers this morning. >> and numbers poppy brought in.

trump is at the top. and that chris christie got a good pop. he got a big endorsement. what's the state of the race in new hampshire? >> it's also -- yes, he got that big endorsement but he's been on the ground there in the traditional way you're supposed to be on the ground there at town halls, at houseport parties. he's great at that kind of retail politics. he's really a master of it. i think it's starting to show in those polls. the irony is, donald trump hasn't done those kinds of things. in new hampshire but yet still he's far and away in the lead in those polls. but you do start to see donald trump sort of in one tier and those other guys, christie and rubio in another tier. my goodness, jeb bush certainly not gaining any traction in this latest poll. i think he might be up a point or so. >> one point. >> this is after spending millions and millions of dollars on the air there, trying to introduce and re-introduce

himself to those voters. it's not fight paying off in the way they wanted, hoped and expected. >> looking at the same poll, ted cruz pops two points, at 10% in new hampshire, still behind christie and donald trump. i think that was very telling what we heard last night at that fund-raising dinner. questioning the judgment of both donald trump and ben carson. we've seen cruz largely stay away from doing that. all he would say on trump's muslim comment was, you know, that's not my policy. i don't agree with it. do you think we're seeing an evolution of senator ted cruz in terms of how he will take on donald trump aggressively, especially heading into iowa? >> i think that ted cruz thought he was speaking to a private group of supporters. i think what this shows is that he's machiavellian and strategic. he's intentionally not criticized donald trump, even though maybe that would have been the right thing to do for political purposes. but i think that ted cruz has to win iowa. i think he will win iowa. he's tailor-made for iowa.

he's much more likely to get the evangelical support you need to win iowa than donald trump is. the closer we get to iowa, it's going to become untenable. cruz and trump eventually will duke it out. i suspect that ted cruz ends up prevailing in iowa. >> it's also about how you do it. he has had an allegiance with trump, tacit or not. it is risky to go at trump because he gets so much media attention. >> he wants those voters. >> this talk about a brokered convention, one, do you buy it at this stage, that this is a real situation going on being discussed? and two, what do you do to get away from the natural process? how do you justify not allowing the voters to speak? >> well, you know, first of all, every cycle somebody brings up the idea of a brokered convention to get clicks and drudge links. but this time i actually think it's somewhat plausible. one idea would be you have a brokered convention to basically

rig the game and stop donald trump. but that's not the only scenario. it's possible that you could just have a situation where cruz wins iowa, trump wins new hampshire, rubio wins south carolina and you go on and on like that. and nobody is able to get -- i think it's 1,144 delegates you need to become the nominee. we could just have a scenario where you get to the republican national convention and nobody has the delegates. and then it could descend into chaos. i would really worry about the possibility of a republican winning or beating hillary clinton, having gone through that very messy process of arm twisting and vote counting that would have to take place. and you know, to actually -- for somebody to rest control of the nomination at that point. >> nia, i thought it was telling, alisyn did this week with trump supporters. one of them told her, quote, he's speaking our minds.

let's listen to the latest headline from donald trump talking about an executive order he says as president he would make for the death penalty for anyone who kills a police officer. >> one of the first things i'd do in terms of executive order if i win will be to sign a strong, strong statement that will go out to the country, out to the world, that anybody killing a policeman, policewoman, police officer, anybody killing a police officer, death penalty. it's going to happen. >> okay. so legally, that's a challenge, right? >> he could do it. >> you have 19 states where that can't happen at this point. >> he could do it on a federal level, if you were to kill a federal officer. >> outside the legality of it, talking to republicans who have consistently criticized this president, president obama for overreaching with executive orders. do you think it will play that way when donald trump says it? >> no. i think he is speaking to an audience that is also criticized

president obama for almost fomenting violence against police officers. scott walker certainly did that, before he dropped out. this is in an era where we have black lives protest movement. a lot of people not happy with that moment, a lot of republicans not happy with that moment. he is speaking to a real sentiment, base of support here when he is standing there and standing with police officers. i understand that he just got some support for some police officers. i think in some ways that statement was part of that. so i think he's on the right track. donald trump is somebody who understands the republican base, at least the way they're feeling right now. whether or not that changes going forward when you have these actual contests in iowa and new hampshire, we have to see. but so far, we think he's been on the right track. >> one of the things i'm hearing from inside the gop is that what we saw with that voter panel, that there's push back against

who trump supporters are. i've had people from inside the gop who, like trump, saying to me, why are you panting trump supporters as these way out there, extreme people who cry when they talk about this. i'm not like that and i like trump. inside the party, is there a reckoning that his base is broader than we thought it was. it's not just women and men who cry within they start talking about why they like donald trump. >> yes. i think nia made a very good point there, the definition of executive overreach is when the other guy does executive overreach. the other team. but look, i think you're right. donald trump supporters are not monolithic. we saw in that focus group that cnn did the other day, these were very intelligent, eloquent people. not the stereotype. having said that, i do think if you look at poll, the one thing that comes across, donald trump

supporters are more moderate and secular than you would thing. the perception is they're right wing republicans. actually, no. he does getter with more moderates. the other thing would be, of course, noncollege graduates. the higher education level you have as a republican, the less likely you are to support donald trump. having said that, it's obviously very dangerous for republicans, i think, to diminish donald trump supporters. because republicans are going to need some of them if they're to win the general election in november. >> that's the point. they keep making it about donald trump. you have to remember, every time you go after trump, you're going after his supporters. >> absolutely. >> it's a bigger, more diverse base than the gop expected early on. >> much bigger. >> much broader. >> thank you both. we appreciate it. have a great weekend. coming up in the next hour, we will talk with presidential candidate carly fiorina. she'll join us live. stay with us for that. the big question is, how will the next president keep this country safe? right? that issue is getting bigger and bigger after san bernardino.

four days from now, wolf blitzer will moderate the final gop debate of the year right here on cnn. that issue will be front and center. the undercard, 6:00, followed by the main debate, 8:30 eastern. the probe into the mass shooting in san bernardino, california, bringing up details. investigators say the terrorists were planning an even larger, broader attack as dive teams search a lake digging for evidence. what exactly are they looking for? that's where we find our cnn correspondent ana cabrera. >> reporter: we're at a lake that's a couple miles north of where that shooting attack occurred. this is where we're expecting to see those fbi dive teams return at day break. they spent several hours here yesterday, we're told their search of this lake could take several days. they're searching for any evidence that could be connected to their investigation. we're told they received a

couple of tips that the shooters, tashfeen malik and sy syed rizwan farook were seen in this area. we know the couple's computer hard drive has been missing. that's a critical piece of this investigation as they're trying to put together the couple's digital footprint. also this morning, we're learning new information about possible connections being investigated between farook and a terror cell that was broken up here in california a few years back. listen. >> we did arrest four individuals back in 2012. they have since been convicted of material support to terrorism. those individuals were not planning to conduct a terrorist attack in the u.s.

>> now, that group was planning, apparently, to attack a u.s. military base in afghanistan. they had intentions of going overseas to fight against u.s. forces. here's the connection possibly to farook. investigators say he was in the same social circle at that time as the recruiter of that terror cell. 2012 is also the year that marquez, enrique marquez, a neighbor of farook's has told investigators he and farook were plotting their own attack back home. important to note, marquez has not been charged with any crime. his mom defending him adamantly, saying he was her right hand man around the house an she does not know anything about this ongoing investigation. chris? >> ana, thank you very much. part of that investigation, why they didn't find what was going on with these people sooner. that will be a part of it as well. we go to geneva, facing a heightened terror alert.

police are looking for five suspects linked to one of the paris terror attackers. nic robertson is in geneva with the latest. what do we know, nic? >> reporter: the threat level has been raised. behind me is the u.n. building, the biggest u.n. complex outside of new york. the security guards on the front there are carrying heavier weapons than they normally do because the threat level is assessed to be that serious at the moment. what was intercepted by u.s. intelligence and passed on to swiss authorities were four isis members in syria chatting about a possible attack in geneva. those men in syria at that time are now whereabouts unknown. that's a concern. some of them speak french. geneva is a french-speaking part of switzerland. that's one reason the threat has gone up.

abdelsalam, one of his associates, it appears drove his van into switzerland here over the past few days. that van has been located by authorities here but not the associate. the concern, is salah abdeslam here? is he planning something on top of that as well? you have the third bataclan attacker, the man who recruited him is from this area. he has another associate from this area, associated with isis, whereabouts unknown. all of this contributing to the increased threat level. >> thank you very much, nic. i'll take it from here. appreciate the reporting from geneva. four people killed after a medical helicopter crashed as it headed for a california hospital. authorities say the pilot, a nurse, a paramedic, a patient all died in that crash. the helicopter was flying from fresno to a hospital in

bakersfield when it went down in dense fog. at this point no official word on the cause of the crash. a former oklahoma city police officer could spend the rest of his life in prison after being convicted of rape among other sex crimes. he did not testify but openly sobbed as the guilty verdicts were read last night. prosecutors say he targeted 13 women while on the job and agreed to wave their arrests in exchange for sexual favors. the former cop faces to 200 years behind bars when he's sentenced next month. human error may be to blame for a runaway train on thursday morning. that train carrying about 50 passengers traveled five miles. no one at the controls, officials say the train pulled away after the operator stepped off the handle -- stepped off to handle a signal issue. now on administrative leave as the mbta investigators whether proper procedures were followed. >> need to figure that out. investigators in san

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all right. as soon as they get a little daylight, investigators in san bernardino are going to start searching a lake, again, for evidence that may have been tossed by that terror couple last week. cnn also learning about a new connection between the male shoot are an a jihadist ring that was busted just a few years ago. we have with us this morning congressman chris stewart. he's on the house intelligence committee. he just took part in a briefing, joining us now. thank you for joining us on "new day." the concern is word there may have been a bigger plot involved, pictures on the male murderer's phone of different local sites. what did you learn? >> well, of course it's difficult for me to describe what we learned because it was a classified setting. i can tell you that i think in these situations, we always have to be concerned and obviously the fbi and director comey have a great amount of faith in him.

we always have to be concerned that there are others who may be involved or there may have been intentions beyond what we know right now. i know they're doing a great job with the investigation and i think we have much left that we'll learn as the next few days unfold. >> you do have an issue of what you learned when. was anybody in the briefing questioning about why you didn't know more about these two sooner, given all the tentacles they seemed to have laid out in the community? >> for sure. that's one of the primary questions we have. is looking back and saying what could we have done better? did we miss something? were there things we should have caught? it's easy to -- monday morning quarterback that. i understand that. but i think there are indications that we've got a real challenge ahead of us. i've been saying that, many of us have, when it comes to the threat here in the united states, i just don't think we fight understand how deep that threat really is yet. >> when you say we don't understand it, is that a way of explaining why we can't catch these people in advance?

or is it a way of saying our system doesn't work? >> i don't think we can say our system doesn't work. i mean, the reality is, there are literally dozens and dozens of threats we encounter every day and by and large we're able to protect ourselves from those threats. the system isn't perfect. people aren't perfect. and the threat is enormous. so, again, i think it just shows we've got a real challenge ahead of us. >> you know, you have people at the top of the polls in your party right now who are campaigning on san bernardino as proof that we don't know how to stop terrorists. do you warn people to distinguish political speak from the realities of securing america? >> well, it's hard to define the difference between them. they're so intermingled. there is no political issue right now that is as high on people's minds and priorities that is our security. i think it will be the defining issue in 2016. i think those candidates who are strong on this issue, who can assure the american people as

best that they can, that they will take aggressive steps to protect them, i think the candidates will distinguish themselves and once again, this has taken the place on almost everyone's mind as the primary concern that they're having. we see that expression in the political discussion all the time now. >> right. either you legitimately expose flaws or risk undermining confidence in the system. if i were to be campaigning saying they should have asked her if she had jihadi tendencies when she went for her fiancee visa and they should have caught these guys, it shows we don't know what we're doing, do you think that's fair criticism of the system? >> absolutely i do. the congress has been talking the last couple weeks about how we could be better with our immigration policy, with some of the syrian refugees, with visa waiver program as we talked about over the last few days. those are legitimate questions, things we can say, can we do better? do we need to look at our policies, procedures, say these aren't working, we have to do

something else. >> in terms of the scope of what we understand nehere now, do th believe there's an active krill they're trying to discover? >> hard for me to answer that. i want to be careful. we have to consider that possibility. i will tell you this, historically, we know that it's a very, very difficult and really fight rare for someone to do this type of radicalization, take these steps, to have this type of planning, to learn how to build pipe bombs, for example, to do that stuff independently. not the kind of stuff you pick up and do effectively from the internet. you can and certainly isis and other terrorist groups hope they can spread that kind of radical theology, those kind of skills, through the internet. but it's very difficult to do again. by yourself and generally you have to assume they had some kind of support or that they might have had some others that were involved. i think that's the approach that law enforcement is taking right now. >> that's certainly the scariest prospect of who have is still out there.

congressman chris stewart, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you so much. good morning. >> poppy. >> up next, anger boiling over. you've seen it play out this week on the streets of chicago. protesters demanding mayor rahm emanuel step down, accusing him of covering up police brutality in his city. what is next for the mayor? what is next for that city? we're live in chicago, ahead.

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protesters keeping up the pressure on chicago mayor rahm emanuel, but there is no sign the embattled politician has any intention of stepping down. many still suggesting, is he covering up police misconduct in his city? cnn correspondent rosa flores live in chicago with the latest. you've been there all week as these protests broke out en masse on wednesday. they continued last night. they're call for him to step down. but this is not a man that goes silently. >> you're absolutely right, poppy. for the past two weeks we've seen this mayor ask two

officials to resign. first of all, the superintendent of police, he stepped down and also the head of the independent police review authority. now, that is the authority that investigates all officer-involved shootings. but like you mention, protesters, they are not happy. they still want more. yesterday 75 to 100 protesters hit the streets here in chicago. asking for the mayor to resign. for the past two weeks like you mentioned at the height of these protests, about 200 protesters have been going up and down the streets of chicago asking for the mayor to resign. now three legislators have co-sponsored a bill that could start that process. of course, that bill has to go through the legislative process. now even a presidential hopeful decided to step in. ben carson calling the laquan mcdonald case disturbing. chris? >> rosa, thank you very much. in terms of what's going on in the war against isis, who's going to bring the fight? we now know the uk is but

they're also going to be coordinating with russia. what does that mean? british defense officials are agreeing to cooperate with russia in moscow. they had a meeting there. what's going to happen with this alliance? how's it going to work? what's the plus, what's the minus? we'll hear the answers from somebody who knows very well britain's defense secretary joins us next. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts.

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important news on the war front, the uk has agreed to coordinate with russia in the fight against isis. what are the pluses and the concerns? let's ask someone who knows, michael fallon, the defense secretary for the united kingdom. mr. secretary, thank you for joining us. what can you tell us about the progress of uk bombings and why you believe it is important to coordinate with russia? >> first of all, the uk is stepping up to the fight against isil. we've already been flying strike missions in iraq for over a year now, providing surveillance and reconnaissance. parliament decided last week to include syria in the strikes because it is syria where isil is headquartered from where their terrorism is directed and

inspired. now, our prime minister recently met mr. putin to review the position in syria. we've had official level talks since then. yesterday in moscow to try and persuade russia to exercise a more constructive role in syria, to stop attacking those groups that are opposed to assad and the assad regime and start working with everybody else to a future for a new syria without the dictator assad. >> what do you make of concerns about coordinating with russia that it may do more harm than good? >> that it may be what? >> that it may do more harm than good. it may upset the process more than advance it? >> we have agreement now between most of the parties involved, that there has to be a new settlement in syria that can lead to elections. we had an important conference in saudi arabia yesterday, involving most of the opposition groups, planning their way towards a more pluralist syria that excludes assad.

russia needs to be part of that, needs to stop fueling the civil war and needs to work together with us for a better future for syria so that we can focus on the real menace in the air, the real danger, which, of course, is isil. >> russia now saying the coalition must also coordinate with damascus, meaning ing ing n terms of fighting against in syria. is that something the uk will agree to? >> there can't be a future for syria with the dictator assad being there. he's been responsible for murdering his own civilians, barrel bombing those groups opposed to him and hundreds of thousands have died in this civil war. we need to bring that to a close. before we can then focus all our efforts on isil. but we shouldn't wait. we can still be carrying out air strikes against the infrastructure of isil in northeast syria and we're doing that now. and british strike aircraft are part of that operation, which

i'll be reviewing with your defense secretary, ash carter, later today. >> do you see a scenario where the uk would put boots on the ground? >> no. we said western boots here are not the answer. in iraq, too, the government there made it clear. they don't want british or even with respect, they don't want american troops doing their fighting for them. we have to re-assure the sunnis, particularly, that the security that they need is provided locally by forces that they trust. in iraq, you've got the iraqi army, starting to make progress. we need to see the same in syria, eventually we need to see some ground force of syrian troops that has the support of the local population ensuring that where isil had driven out that they don't come back. >> two other quick points. borders have become a big issue in and around europe in terms of how you control the movement of people. obviously the uk has geographical advantages in that regard. what do you think needs to happen with border crossings

within europe? >> well, we all need, i think, to look to our homeland security and be sure that our processes are in place, to stop foreign fighters coming back, people who have gone out to syria, returning to countries in western europe, including britain, to commit terrorist offenses there. we've seen the appalling shootings in paris and you've seen the same in bernardino. we need to control the movement of foreign fighters, pool more intel jess, particularly airline passenger information and we need to ensure, too, that arms are not being moved too easily throughout europe's borders. we're fortunate in britain. we're outside the european border arrangements. we have our own border controls in place. but we can all do more to share intelligence between us. >> the intelligence sharing is a big point. lastly, and the political dialogue going on in america right now, london has become

relevant. it was used as an example by the top candidate for the gop, that there are no go zones in london, officers are afraid, that they are told not to wear their uniforms when on patrol. can you substantiate or correct any of this? >> look, i'm a visitor in new york. i'm not going to get involved in our political process. but i can say something about london. i've lived in london for over 40 years. there are no, no-go areas in london. london is a safe city and welcomes visitors and those coming over from the united states to work in our city. those comments were wrong. i want to reassure you on that. there are no no-go airies in -- areas in london. >> thank you. >> thank you. bowe bergdahl speaking publicly forever the first time about why he left his post in afghanistan and the americans lives searching for him. you will hear from him directly, why, he says, he abandoned his

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ted cruz making a move, surging into second place in a new national poll.

coming out swinging against number one, donald trump, at least privately. how do we know? tapes obtained by "the new york times." in them, the texas senator says he respects donald trump and ben carson but neither one should be the gop nominee. meanwhile, will trump's own party let him win the nomination? is it up to them? there's now talk of a brokered convention. could that happen? just minutes we'll talk with presidential candidate carly fiorina. she's going to join us live to discuss all this and where she is in the polls. two louisiana police officers this morning indicted on murder charges in connection with a fatal shooting of a 6-year-old boy. you're looking at darryl stafford and norris greenhouse jr. right there. they started firing at a car, the car the father was driving after a chase. governor dan malloy says

this is a no-brainer, that he was horrified by the recent attacks in paris and san bernardino and that connecticut is going to be the only state to do this right, all by itself without congress helping them. although a lot of callings for this on the national level. >> sergeant bowe bergdahl explaining publicly for the first time why he walked away from his army unit afghanistan, a move that could land him life in prison. in a new serial podcast he reveals he wanted to send a message about poor leadership but quickly, within minutes, he realized he made a mistake. then he said he decided to be like the fictional spy jason borne. >> i was trying to prove to myself, prove to the world, that anybody who used to know me, that i was capable of being that person. 20 minutes out i'm going good grief, i'm in over my head. when i get back, they're going to hit me with everything they

can. >> you know bergdahl spent five years in taliban captivity before the white house traded five taliban prisoners for him. the 116th meeting of army/navy take place tomorrow. we have coy wire in philadelphia. everybody knows coy. this is way more than a game, boy. love watching them. what have you got? >> chris, this is one of the most iconic revered, outstanding, commanding and enduring rivalries in all of american sports. it dates all the way back to the year 1890. this game represents all the very best of college football. it's about leaving your heart and soul out on the field for the man standing next to you, earning his trust and fighting for him. for these players, it's something they'll continue to do after their playing days are over. as they are the future defenders of our nation. just as this event is more than a game, keenan reynolds is more than just a football player. he's an inspiration. let's take a look at this young

man's course list, financial analysis, national security decision making in the cyber age. he's a dedicated future defender of our nation. >> it's big, the courses that we take kind of priming us for what we need to be successful as leaders. >> when you hear about what happened in paris and now in san bernardino, california, does that move you? >> it definitely reminds you of why you're really here, the bigger commitment that you've made to serving your country and the evil that we're out to protect. i think it's a centering thing. >> now, tomorrow, in one of our nation's most spectacular spectacles, keenan will be the center of attention and he and his fellow servicemen will play for the love of the game, the love of each other and the love of our nation in one of the greatest traditions we have here in the u.s. in the army/navy game. poppy, back to you. >> lucky you're going to be there. a lot of us will be watching

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demonstrators taking to the streets of chicago again on thursday, calling for the resignation of mayor rahm emanuel for his handling of several deadly police-involved shootings. can the mayor survive these calls? and what changes actually need to be made in chicago to repair the critical trust that's clearly been broken between the police department and the citizens? joining me now to discuss cnn law enforcement analyst nypd retired detective harry houck and mark lamont hill.

good morning. thanks for being here. >> good morning. >> pleasure. >> let me read the way "the washington post" puts it, in a sense, the whole world seemed to know what emanuel didn't seem to wa the to admit up front, the chicago police department has a problem. that was then. let's listen to him now speaking, this week, very candidly. >> my voice is supposed to be for those who are powerless, to make sure their voice matters as much as those who are in power or have power. we were adding to the suspicion and distrust. i did not fulfill the job in the magnitude of being a mayor. >> some may say we're glad to hear it. some may say, too little, too late. mark lamont hill, where do you fall on this? >> the people of chicago need good leadership and structural change. changing the face of chicago, changing the leader or making a new business manager of the same corrupted reality isn't going to

make much of a difference. removing rahm emanuel is a good symbolic gesture. it may help animate the base. i don't oppose it. i think it's a good move. i think it's time for rahm emanuel to go. i don't want us to confuse the removal of rahm emanuel with structural changes. if we want to fix policing and crime and corruption in that city, we need a whole lot more than a new mayor. >> harry, you've spoken about this extensively. rahm emanuel is not someone who goes quietly at all. i think you have to think about the vacuum or who takes his place, the future, not just getting one person out. who will do a better job. you say it comes down to community policing. when people hear that, they think of course it's just another line people throw out. you're a big believer in it. what does it actually mean and how expensive is it? >> first of all, community -- you know, the police department isn't the only problem in chicago. i mean, that's a step for the police department to be able to go out there and start community policing. community policing means you put a police officer -- i've done

this -- on a beat of four or five square blocks and let him get to know everybody. i know it works because i did it myself in a black neighborhood in irvington, new jersey where i was a cop. they assassinated a white cop on my beat two years earlier. the fact that i got to know everybody, i almost solved every crime on my beat. people need to know the police officer. all right? this is a start. but the crime is so bad in areas of chicago that even if you change a police commissioner tomorrow, new superintendent, maybe some new chiefs, police have got to go in there and aggressively go after the criminals, because until that crime is down to a -- down to a lower amount inside chicago, no business is going to come in. who's going to open a business when the crime is out of control in the inner city chicago? >> there have been big companies that have opened up factory on the south side of chicago, trying to go against the grain. mark lamont hill, let's talk

specifically about the laquan mcdonald video and the fact that the city paid out $5 million to the mcdonald family before anyone saw that video publicly. this question of -- i asked one of the surrogates for rahm emanuel this week, when did he see the video ? she told me when the rest of you saw it. the question becomes when should he have seen it? should someone have been asking the city, as mayor, you know, why are we paying this family $5 million? what happened? >> of course. i don't doubt they just saw it. to your point, the question is why did they just see it? there's something called willful ignorance, plausible deniability. they didn't see it because they didn't want to be accountable for it. when you pay $5 million to a woman who hasn't even filed a lawsuit yet, it smells bad. any leadership would ask, why is this happening? it's not just a rahm emanuel problem. i agree with harry on this. i think it's a law enforcement problem, a structural economic

problem. it makes you wonder about a deeper level of corruption in the city. you don't ask these questions if you're running for mayor. a good question could be if this comes out a year ago, does rahm emanuel win the election? >> harry houck, to you. >> well, i tell you, i think that, you know, like you said, rahm emanu rahm emanuel does need to step down and the city council also needs to step down here. there's a big problem here. >> let's be realistic. not so much in the cards. >> not much will happen. i can tell you right now. the people inside chicago have to start looking at who they vote for. these people that live in the inner city ought to get together, start their own tea party or something, all right, and get out there and vote for the right people that will come in and take care of the inner city. how much money, you know, went to different parts of that city and they took all these programs away from the kids, basketball programs, baseball programs, all these programs that helped kid

get off the street? that's what they need to do. the problem is like mark said, the problem is so large, where do you start? >> we have to start somewhere. i have to leave it there. it's important. we'll keep talking about it. thank you, mark, harry, thank you very much. tweet us, what is your take? tweet us usie ining #newdaycnn post your comment on facebook.com/newday. we are following a lot of news this morning. let's get to it. what he's saying now is not only shameful and wrong, it's dangerous. >> people are saying, you know, trump is right. >> party leaders meeting to discuss the real possibility of a brokered convention. >> who is prepared to be a commander in chief? who understands the threat we face? >> donald trump is hillary clinton's christmas gift wrapped up under a tree. >> there is a network that is emerging -- >> an fbi dive team is searching a lake in san bernardino. >> we've searching to are any evidence that has to do with

this crime. >> the two killers were spotted here at this park on the day of the massacre. >> we will leave no stone unturned. this is "new day," with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." poppy harlow joining me this morning. >> good to be here. >> great to have you. mick and alisyn are on vacation today. we have big news for you. the gop brass are huddling thursday on capitol hill it was happening. why? they're discussing the possibility of a brokered convention. maybe no one gets enough delegates to win before with all the primaries. maybe they just don't like mr. trump at the top of the field. the problem for them is the republican voters do. in the newest poll, trump commanding 19-point lead. >> also, ted cruz riding a wave of momentum. the texas senator rising to number two in the polls and now cruz has been recorded on tape, because nothing is private in politics, predicting the demise of donald trump's campaign, talking specifically about

judgment. cnn's athena jones live with us in washington this morning. she has the latest. good morning, athena. >> reporter: nothing is private, that's right. trump's spot at the top of the polls makes him a top target of the other gop contenders. so far, nobody has managed to land any punches on him. that leaked audio from ted cruz is raising questions about whether he's going to become the latest candidate to try to knock trump from his perch. >> i like and respect both donald and ben. i do not believe either one of them will be our nominee. their campaigns have a natural arc. >> reporter: newly released audio from a private fund-raiser released to "the new york times" has ted cruz questioning the judgment of front-runner donald trump and ben carson. >> who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? i think people run as who they are. i believe gravity will bring both of those campaigns down. >> reporter: cruz has avoided public criticism of the

billionaire. but now just four days away from the next cnn republican debate, cruz may not be able to avoid him anymore. the senator now polling second in the latest national gop poll. even though trump is leading by almost 20%. leading by almost 20 points. this as trump continues to outline controversial proposals. >> anybody killing a police officer, death penalty. it's going to happen. okay? >> reporter: the latest, trump says if elected president, he would sign an executive order to mandate the death penalty for convicted cop killers. >> police forces throughout the country have had a hard time. a lot of people kill. a lot of people killed very violently, sitting in a car, waiting, sitting in a car watching, and somebody comes from behind. >> reporter: and trump's plan to ban all muslims from entering the u.s. igniting a firestorm of backlash. >> i no longer think he's funny. >> yes.

i will say i started -- [ applause ] >> reporter: it doesn't appear to be resonating with voters. more than half saying they oppose his controversial ban in a new national poll. trump's divisive proposals are making the gop nervous. meanwhile, cnn has learned that a group of republican leaders met in private to discuss a plan for a contested convention. which would be triggered if no candidate has enough delegates to win the nomination. now, one participant in that gop meeting said no one is fight sure what's going to happen. the point here is that given the crowded field and the way the delegates are awarded, they've got to be prepared for a fight to the finish in this race for the republican nomination. chris? >> all right, athena, thank you very much. let's bring in someone who's in that fight, republican presidential candidate carly fiorina. miss fiorina, thank you for joining us this morning. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> let's look at the polls. not a happy subject for you right now, 1% in the national, trending down in new hampshire. what's your analysis? >> oh, actually i'm pretty happy

with where i am. when i started may 4th nobody gave me a chance. i was 17 out of 16, the pollsters didn't even ask my name. now i'm in the main debate stage. that's where i'm going to stay. this will be a long process of elimination before it's a process of selection. when we finally get to the process of selection, i'll be standing there. but there is no doubt that donald trump is dominating the airwaves on every single network. that's reflected in the national polls. >> you think it's just about popularity? we've given you lots of attention. your numbers have gone the opposite direction. >> oh, come on, chris, you haven't given me or anyone else anywhere near the attention that donald trump receives on your network, on every other network he dominates the news coverage, day after day after day. when he stops dominating the news coverage, he makes an outrageous statement so that he dominates it once again. >> but he's at the top of the polls, obviously the front-runner demands that kind of attention. he seems to be connecting with voters in the way that you and the rest of the field is not.

don't you have to give him his due? >> i think here's what's going on. i think donald trump knows how to play the media like a master. i think he's a pied piper. i think he says things and you all rush to cover it. every single network. i'm not being critical any more than anyone else. he knows ho you to dominate the news coverage. i think it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy if the polls. voters are deeply afraid. i'm not saying he doesn't resona resonate with voters. in a way, donald trump is a reaction to the unbelievable weakness and delusional nature of national security policy from barack obama and hillary clinton. for heaven's sake we have terrorist attacks in the homeland in a community center in san bernardino and president obama begins talking about gun control as does hillary clinton and climate change. people are utterly frustrated by the ineptitude of this government and the lack of a realistic response. unfortunately for donald trump, he doesn't have a realistic response either.

every single one of thinks proposals while they garner a lot of attention on television, they do nothing to solve the problem. banning all muslims from entering the u.s., set aside the objectionable nature of that proposal, it does nothing to protect us from those who are already here. it does nothing to deny isis territory, both of which have to happen to keep america safe. >> two things. first, 40% of your party agrees with trump about a ban or some kind of limitation of muslims. second, is there any other country you'd rather live in in terms of being safe from terror than the united states? >> i would rather live nowhere than the united states of america. but i also know that this administration has been feckless on this issue. hillary clinton has gotten every foreign policy challenge wrong. barack obama and hillary clinton declared victory in iraq in 2011, withdrew precipitously against the advice of every single general, they did so for political expediency to win an

election and left behind vast swajz of territory that isis could conquer and weaponry besides that they took over. they've not had a serious response to this threat. yes, people are very afraid and they are very frustrated. and talking about climate change in paris two weeks after a major terrorist attack makes people even more afraid and frustrated. what i'm focused on, the candidate with more foreign policy experience honestly than anyone running, more understanding of our intelligence and our military capabilities, more experience in and around the world, what i'm talking about are very specific solutions, how we engage the private sector to make sure that our investigative teams have the information they need, how to work with our allies to deny isis territory. we need to put forward realistic solutions to solve this problem. this administration has not. hillary clinton has not. but donald trump has not either. >> when you say you have the most foreign experience in the field, you're not including hillary clinton in that, are you? she was secretary of state. >> well, she was secretary of

state. it's true. she flew around a lot and she met a lot of people and did a lot of photo ops. i've met not as many foreign leaders as she has. but a lot. more than anyone else. i didn't do photo ops. >> on what basis do you have more -- >> i have the highest clearances available. i was talking about the republican field. i have fight a bit of foreign policy experience, having done business in 170 countries, charity in many countries, having held the highest clearances available to a civilian. chaired the advisory board of the cia, advised the nsa, two secretaries of defense, a secretary of state and secretary of homeland security. i know our military leaders and our intelligence capabilities. i think i have fight a bit, actually. she may have met world leaders but she hasn't used that experience to advance our cause. she has been wrong on every single foreign policy challenge. whether it was calling bashar al assad a positive reformer, before she decided he had to go.

thinking that vladimir putin's ambition, whom i've also met, could be stopped with a gimmicky red reset button or calling for the deposal of moammar gadhafi, then ignoring everything going on in libya where we then had a terrorist attack in benghazi, which she has never answered for. >> among the gop candidates, at least, though you just made a good case for you versus hillary clinton, you don't think anybody has the foreign experience you do, even if they're sitting senators, governors who have had tons of time in washington dealing with these issues? you think you're still the better choice? >> i do. and by the way, it's one thing to sit in a senate hearing floor and read a briefing book. it's another thing to know these people. it's another thing to have been in these countries over decades. it's another thing to have sat with cia and nsa people and given them advice. it's one thing to read about things in the world. it's another thing to know things about the world. i believe i am the most qualified candidate to win this

job and to do this job. and i'm going to continue to make that case to the people of new hampshire, which is where i am this morning but to the people of america. that's why i think i have confounded every pole and pundit -- by the way, just to be clear, the pundits have been wrong about absolutely everything in this race. everything in this race. they've been wrong about me as well. we have a long way to go is the point, chris. we have a long way to go. >> no question. but we've come a long way as well. you're very analytical. you see the poll numbers are going the wrong way. what do you account for it in terms of what you did that took the air out of the balloon? do you think it was what you said about planned parenthood? >> no, absolutely not. i have gotten huge support for my strong pro-life stand. you know, we've come a long way. i mean, yes, you, i, everybody we've spent the last six months talking about politics. here's what history and the poll tell us.

the vast majority of people make up their minds in last two weeks. we have over 50 days to go. a lot of people haven't started voting or even paying attention. national polls at this point in a race are never predictive. never. they never have been. so we have a long way to go. >> now, when we're looking with what happened here in colorado, very often you've said trump has to watch what he says, it has implications. do you feel any sense of regret about how you characterized what was beginning on at planned parenthood after the attack in colorado? because of what the man said which seems as though he was influenced by some of the rhetoric coming out of you and others that painted a very ugly picture and unfair one, about planned parenthood? >> oh, please, really, chris? nine videotapes have come out about planned parenthood. it is very clear what they have been doing. and in fact, planned parenthood several weeks ago made a quiet little announcement that they would no longer accept

compensation for the sale of what they call fetal tissue. that's about as close to an admission you can get. >> that's not what they say. >> what happened in colorado is a terrible thing. this guy is a deranged murderer and i hope he is put away for life. it may be that we should be classifying that as domestic terrorism as well. but that has nothing to do with the truth of what is going on in planned parenthood. and this is a typical left wing tactic, to try and shut down the truth by silencing people. this has happened over and over and over again. >> miss fiorina -- >> let's focus on -- yes? >> the videos were edited. you know that. >> actually, i don't know that. there's been forensic evidence of those nine videotapes over and over again. there have been reports that say they are not edited. >> of course they were edited. >> it's amazing to me that we're still having this conversation. >> no, no, no. let's be careful about what

we're saying. of course they were edited. >> let's be very careful about what we're seeing, chris. let's be very careful about what we're saying. >> you're saying the raw portions of the video substantiate the claims you and others have made. that has not been proven to any satisfaction in any objective way. there were scenes and pictures depicting horrible things that nobody shoulden wa the to see that weren't authentic or germane to the conversation within the video. we had the guy on here. he couldn't justify it. now you have somebody that went out and killed in the name of that. >> really? really? okay, i don't recall, chris, careful, you're a journalist. >> yes. >> i don't recall anybody in the pro-life community celebrating this tragedy. i don't real any of that happening. and i also know for a fact that planned parenthood -- by the way, have you ever watched those videos? >> yes, i have. >> you really ought to if vow haven't. >> i have i said. >> i don't understand why planned parenthood would make an

announcement that they're no longer accepting compensation. >> to clarify a policy that was used to villainize them when they felt there was no need to do that. that's what the head of the organization says. >> it's clear what your opinion is, chris. >> what's my opinion? what do you think it is? >> well, i think you've bought the planned parenthood line, hook, line and sinker. good to know that. >> no. what i'm saying is, i'm asking you if you feel coming out of colorado, it gave you any new sense of the power of rhetoric and what it can do, especially when it's playing on a sensitive issue like abortion. because of what we just saw as we agree, this deranged man who went out and killed in the name of saving the baby parts. >> okay. so in other words, you would also accept that president obama's rhetoric might incite people when he is standing in the philippines saying that anyone who opposes any of his

policies, whether it's the iran deal or stopping syrian refugees when he says that some of us, like me, like other republicans are as bad as the iranian hard-liners shouting "death to america" or that we are as bad -- we're giving isis recruitment tools. you would say that that rhetoric is a problem as well? i mean, it is unconscionable to use your word, to deride people who are conservative their rhetoric but not to acknowledge that the left uses incendiary rhetoric all the time. it is not objective to say that the left wing does not try and shut down conversation, that they don't want to have by accusing people of inciting others. this has happened in election cycle after election cycle. remember sarah palin? sarah palin was somehow responsible for the murder -- the attack on gabby gifford. it turned out that wasn't true either. >> well, i don't know anything

about what you're saying about sarah palin. i certainly never made that illusion. >> of course you do. of course you do. >> i really never have. >> everybody made that illusion. >> you have to be careful of who you accuse of what. what i'm say, dangerous rhetoric is what it is. it should be identified and called out because it doesn't have the process. >> have you ever identified president obama's dangerous rhetoric? >> i don't understand what president obama -- >> have you ever identified hillary clinton -- >> what does that have to do with planned parenthood? it's just a question about whether or not you felt differently. do you feel differently after what you said there. >> i do not. you don't like my answer. i do not. i stand by my statement. i stand by the facts and i think planned parenthood has done an excellent job of pulling the wool over lots of people's eyes. i am asking you a question, chris. >> please. >> do you not acknowledge the left wing uses incendiary rhetoric over and over and over again to silence messages that they don't want to deal with?

when hillary clinton stands on a debate stage and says the enemy she is most proud of are republicans, does that help our political dialogue? i don't think so. >> i would agree with you. i think that what we have seen out of both parties is disgusting. i think it's cheapened the process. i think it's turned people off and it's fed an anger that now is almost out of control. i think that the job of all of us is to try to bring the system back into conformity to what it was supposed to be about, people with different ideas going at it, nothing pushing people to violence. >> what i'll continue to do is talk about the facts, talk about the truth, talk about what's really happening and talk about real solutions to solve what is actually happening. that's what i'm going to do. >> you are always welcome to come on "new day" to do exactly that, miss fiorina. thank you for doing it today. >> thanks, chris. thanks. have a great day. >> you, too. how will the next president keep this country safe? you just heard that's a big issue.

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welcome back to your "new day." national security increasingly topic in this 2016 election with terror threats expanding at home and abroad. we will tackle the issue. it is the focus of the next cnn

republican debate. the last gop debate of the year, tuesday night, hosted by our very own wolf blitzer. this morning, new questions being raised about the connection between one san bernardino terrorist and a convicted terror recruiter right into his state, california. tom ridge is with me now, the chairman of ridge global, the former homeland security secretary, the governor of pennsylvania and also congressman. thank you so much for being with me. no one better to get perspective. you said point blank we are not being offensive enough on this front. let's listen to what senator lindsey graham said on the hill this week. >> is there any evidence that this marriage was arranged by a terrorist organization or terrorist operative? or was it just a meeting on the internet? >> i don't know the answer to that yet. >> do you agree with me if it was arranged by a terrorist o n

operative organization that would be a game changer. >> that i don't know. >> what do you think we've learned from the fight against terror in just this case with all of these open questions, sir? >> first of all, i think we are always underestimated the global reach of these jihadists. i think we have also not demonstrated to these radicals that we are not as committed. i don't mean just the united states. i mean the broader western community. we are not as committed to their defeat and destruction as they are to our defeat and destruction. i think it's languished too long. there's not been a global strategy among the civilized world to defeat them. i think lindsay's question and jim's response will highlight once again that global reach. whether it's an arranged marriage or not, it's clear to me they wouldn't have done this

alo alone. they are auxiliary support here in the united states. that's one of the reasons i think the fbi is working furiously to find out other connections as it relates to the san bernardino tragedy. >> so let's dig into your words a little bit. it's one thing to point to president obama's rhetoric and the changing tone. other republicans have been critical of it and says his words don't it the match the threat. that's one thing. another thing is is to assess the capabilities of the united states and u.s. intelligence. are you saying someone was missed on the intelligence front? >> it's tough to say. i don't necessarily believe that every incident is the result of an intelligence failure. let's face it, i think democracies by definition are soft targets. i don't think every incident necessarily means that somebody failed to do their job or their due diligence was inadequate. one of the revelations i do think we see here as a result of the san bernardino tragedy is that it appears that law

enforcement may have had a connection or two between one of the actors and other terrorists. but because the connection wasn't deep enough or certain enough, they have kind of let that investigation slide. i've heard several people comment over the past couple of days that the fbi doesn't have enough people on the streets to follow up on some of the leads. i think i understand what the problem is, but i don't think the fbi really takes advantage of over 700,000 men and women in the state and local level, over 12,000 police departments to share that. we're never going to build up the fbi so they have an infrastructure that covers the states. i think more information sharing to support the fbi might be one of the gaps that we can close in the future. >> all right. what about the fact that as a coincidence, four days before the attack in california, the nsa bulk data collection program ended. they still have two years worth of data. they can't get five years worth of data. some have said moot point, she the female terrorist didn't come into this country until two years ago. as you talk about getting the

most information possible to protect this country, does that concern you, sir? >> it does concern me if there is clearly if there's evidence out there or information out there that in the normal course of business we could have acquired. it concerns me if there was a -- the possibility based on previous references to one or both of these people with their actions, either overseas or here that we didn't follow up. that concerns me. but i also think that we need to really understand that not every incident means somebody didn't do their job. it is conceivable that people could conspire to bring harm and destruction, death and honor to the united states without it being on the internet, without anybody else knowing. it's conceivable, given the kind of interview process we have and the work that the state department did. they didn't fight pick things up because there was nothing to be seen. it's easy to take a look at what happened after the fact and try to connect the dots. the question is whether or not

we did enough due diligence before. you have to say there was something tangible to see. >> thanks to all law enforcement officers doing their job. it's easy for people to monday morning quarterback, no question. you were in the beautiful state of new hampshire, you've been with jeb bush for two days. national polls not looking good. let's pull it up. 3% for your friend jeb bush. what does he have to do? can he turn this around, frankly? >> well, first of all, i've had a great two days with jeb. i've had a couple town meetings with him. i for one is something that doesn't take too much stock? national polls. frankly even in my own close elections for congress and governor, i was losing badly until the last couple weeks. particularly new hampshire residents have told me over the last couple days, we haven't made up our mind yet. we want to see and hear more of these candidates. we need to go to more town meetings. the holiday season is upon us.

jeb has to keep on doing what he's doing. he has great ground operation in nevada, south carolina and iowa. we'll do very well in new hampshire. >> governor tom ridge, appreciate you joining us. >> great pleasure to join you. thank you. >> poppy, it's a good take on the national security system and the ongoing race, specifically up in new hampshire. just moments ago we had another player in the game, republican candidate carly fiorina here on "new day." we'll play what she said about controversial topics and get yur re -- your reaction, coming up. re -- your reaction, coming up. your reaction, coming up.

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enjoying the show so far? worth getting up. >> only next to you. >> what are you eating over there? >> blueberry doughnut. want one? >> no. i had yogurt and granola. >> too healthy, poppy. carly fiorina rejects the idea that inflammatory idea may have led to the shooting in colorado at that planned parenthood clinic. let's bring in michael smerconish. i wanted to test on the idea of

why are her numbers going down and also the nature of the impact of inflammatory rhetoric. we've seen it out of many different people and the election. what was your take, michael? >> well, i think that she's been hurt for three reasons. chief among them is what you just referenced. her credibility definitely suffered a setback with her comments about planned parenthood and her intransigents, her refusal to acknowledge that she was relying on stock footage that you referenced. i'm looking at fact check organizations like factcheck.org from the annenbrg center which said look, at that video, they're relying on stock footage that had nothing to do with the incident it pro-claimed to be. there was planned parenthood, the business record at hp, when jeffrey sonnenfeld from yale came out, when andrew ross sorkin from the "new york times" came out and said you need to take a closer look at her record at hp, that hurt. chief among the reasons as to why she's faded, she distinguished herself in that first debate last summer and

republicans thought maybe she's the one best equipped to take on hillary and to embody the anger that we're feeling but she was totally suplanted by donald trump. he took the oxygen out of the room. he became the chosen one for that pent up, frustrated crowd within the gop. >> michael, what plays really well with that pent-up crowd is attacking us, attacking the media. >> definitely. >> she's done that, like donald trump has successfully done twice in the interview with chris. first of all, saying you're a journalist, chris and asking his -- and then asking his opinion on it. >> she asked it as a question. did she say are you a journalist? >> she said you're a bjornalist. let's listen. >> there were scenes and picture depicting horrible things that nobody should want to see that weren't authentic and weren't germane to the conversation within the video. we had the guy on here.

now somebody went out and killed in the name of that? >> really? really? okay. i don't recall, chris, careful, you're a journalist. >> yes. >> i don't recall anybody in the pro-life community celebrating this tragedy. i don't recall any of that happening. it's clear what your opinion is, chris. it's clear what your opinion is. >> what's my opinion, miss fiorina, what do you think it is? >> i think you've bought the planned parenthood line, hook, line and sinker. good to know that. >> all right. also, michael, on top of that, she said the media has not given her a fair amount of time. is this tactic going to help her. >> it's being relied on by a number of the republican candidates who are saying, i've heard a lot of this blow back, why are you giving so much attention to donald trump? if the public had more a desire to listen to what you, in in case it would be carly fiorina had to say, believe me, the cnn

camera and everybody else's camera would be on your door step. this is the guy commanding the interest and the attention. two things have happened this week that are significant. both were focus groups. alisyn camerota had a fascinating focus group. the frank luntz focus group that created a buzz in the political community both show the hardened nature of the support for donald trump among those 30% to 35%. as we look toward tuesday, i think the other candidates who were on that stage need to be focused, not so much on how do i win trump's 35%? because you're probably not going to. but how do i grab the 65% that are still left on the table. >> well, that's an interesting point. you know, you say that, don't go after trump, go at each other, that will help you more. explain. >> because the attacks on trump thus far have -- he's been -- he is the original teflon don. that's what i want to say.

every time he comes up with a statement and we scratch our heads and say, my god, this will be the end of the guy, the statement about muslims, about john mccain, fill in the blank with instead it's exactly -- look at the internals of that "times" poll today. it's exactly what this constituency and republican party are looking for. regardless of the veracity, they're looking for that tone. so if you're not going to crack his 35%, maybe you better be looking to your left and right on that stage and decide how you can distinguish yourself among the others who are left. going after donald trump hasn't worked thus far. >> yes. >> that's it. left us in silence, michael smerconish. too much intelligence. >> he always does with his wisdom. i watch his show and i'm just silent. >> look forward to being out there in vegas with you next week. check out "smerconish" 9:00 a.m. eastern saturday. the final gop debate of the year is right here on cnn.

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no matter which side of the debate or political party you're listening to, you're hearing the same thing when it comes to the war against isis. here's what we need to do to win and win now. here's why we're not winning fast enough. are we winning? it's always put in that context, right? is that the right way to frame it? is that deceptively framing it? aaron david miller joins us right now, the vice president for new initiatives and a distinguished scholar at the woodrow wilson international center. very good to have you, sir. as always. what is your answer to that query we should win in this war? why aren't we winning yet? what don't you like about that?

>> it's typically american, chris, quintessentially american, fixes for problems that incredible complicated, systemic problems. first of all, let me make something clear, i'm not a declinist. i'm not a defeatist. i'm not running for anything. the reality is on this one, i'm not -- not to trivialize it, i'm with groucho marx, who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes? i see what i see. 14 years after 9/11, twice the amount of time it took the allies to defeat the powers during the second world war. i look and see jihadis are thriving. they're not losing. in the last month you've seen attacks against four members, four permanent members of security council, even inspired or directed by the islamic state, the united states, france, russia, and perhaps even britain on the subways.

you've got a middle east that is broken, angry, dysfunctional, empty spaces, vicious ideologies, a syrian and iraqi humpty dumpty that can't be put together again and then you have islam itself, vast majority, 1.6 billion muslims don't ascribe to these vicious and perverse ideologies but a significant minority who's prepared to act does sub vibe and is invoking islam in the name of its killing and its dying. you put all this together, and i reach the conclusion that, yes, we can try to keep ourselves safer than we are. we can kill leaders, choke finances, maybe even crush isis's base of operations in syria but can we win the war against jihadi terror? can we win the war on drugs, on crime, on poverty? on mental illness? these are long-term challenges. the key, it seems to me, is to

continue to fight, do it smartly, protect our security and in the process make sure we're protecting our values at the same time. it's not a perfect strategy, chris, but i think in the end it's the right one for america to adopt. >> we ask you about this because you've been fighting this for decades with different administrations as you say. but something that will take another beat for people to accept, i think, is that the idea that this is like poverty, this is like poor education, that's what fighting terror is like. why? why isn't it just about taking out these bad guys in their concentration right now and putting that to rest? >> because there's always the day after problem. and there's a certain reality, limitations of american power. look, we were in iraq -- i mao en, it took us 10, 20, 30 days militarily to get the job done in iraq. it took us ten years to try to figure out whether or not we

could create -- and we couldn't -- the sustainable conditions for good governance, respect for human rights, a sectarian balance between sunnis and shia. the problem is, in order to ultimately deal with the problem of radical islam and jihadis, you have to ultimately create a sense of ownership in the region where arab and muslim leaders are prepared to rise above their narrow sectarian differences, address the myriad of problems that beset their societies. and i'm not persuaded, frankly, that the united states after a decade of war in afghanistan and iraq, the two lodge elongest wa american history, that the standard is never when can we win but when can we leave, do we have the capacity to do this. we could deploy special forces, choke off finances of these

jihadis. but the notion somehow that we are going to find a comprehensive victory as we did during the second world war over the germans and the japanese, and to fundamentally rebuild these societies, support middle class respect for human rights, good governance, i'm sorry, at a minimum, chris, it's a generational struggle. it is not something we'll be able to win definitively. it is the president's job to reassure. the president tried to do that on sunday. it's also the job of presidents to do reality therapy, particularly when the fight is going to be long and hard. and i this i that aspect of it is incredibly important. it's true on the "r" side as well as the "d" side. republican candidates and on the "d" side as well, you know, seem to have better ideas, more

effective, conclusive solutions for these problems. and again, again, i'll close by quoting one of my favorite philosophers, reinhold the argued that the best you can do is find proximate solutions to problems. we do that on american security we'll be way ahead. proximate solutions to insoluble problems. >>s always giving us a lot to think about. thank you for coming on. >> always a pleasure. thank you. >> up next, politics legendary political journalist carl bernstein will be with us. and a host of issues. including can anyone bring down donald trump? we're going talk about national security. look at the split among gop primary voters right now whether muslims should be band. that is next. is never easy.

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global condemnation not hurting donald trump. the republican front runner.

certainly not in policy. no non sense rhetoric and refusal to back down and it's resonating. when you look at policy, could he prove to be dangerous for the country? here to talk about it all carl bernstein is with us. good morning. this thank you for being here. when you look at these polls, what i find fascinating, trump's proposal to ban muslims. when you look at it among registered voters across the country, almost evenly split. and let's talk about the bigger picture here. historically. do you see this. donald trump, the way he's running, the words he's using as a one off? >> we've seen front runners falter in 1992 chris's father was the front runner i think.

and then in the democratic party and then he didn't run. but no. something different is going on here. which is that for the first time we have a celebrity kryptofascist who is leading the agenda of the republican party. he has led the debate in terms of what is being debated and the substance. and finally the rest of the republican party and the other candidates seeing his staying power are saying wait a minute. this guy could win this thing and now maybe we have to back up now that he's crossed this line of no return and outrage. >> but is that fair to call him -- >> absolutely. >> on the point, it is not just him who's saying this and believes it. he has the broad majority of support among republican registered voters at this time. >> yes. and for real reasons because thing anner is real out there. people are angry at banks. people are angry at the establishment. they are angry at government. white working a class people are

getting screwed and they know it. so you have a demagogue who appeals to that. rather than with constructive solutions he's got very easy answers. but is he a kryptofascist celebrity. and don't discount the celebrity aspect of this. yes he is. also in the media carly fiorina is absolutely right. which she said as other candidates about cable news giving trump a free ride in terms of air time. >> -- i don't think that's a free ride. >> no it is about the access to us and how much air time they get. it is very different than what print does. where print gives trump a lot of space talki ing substantively about what he's opposing. we have got given other candidates the floor. >> does he get more attention? yes. is there good and bad reason for that? yes. but to balance out the equation a little bit.

we asked the other candidates to come on all the time. >> all the i'm. >> they say no. why? well, because this is nltn't a pass when you come on the show. >> [ inaudible ]. >> understood. they don't want to go against trump. and he usually gives you a beat down if you go toe to toe because his political skills are better. and he is resonating what people believe. he says the solutions are simple because they are if you can just get it done. he's not saying the muslim is the enemy. he's saying terror is the enemy. muslims are terrorists. let's put a hold on before we figure out anymore danger here. 40% of his party agrees. does that make him kryptoflashist or just someone whose just telling people what they feel. >> a great demagogue connected with what was going on with the people in this country.

as has donald trump. but is he a kryptofascist. does he want a kind of authoritative nationalism and dem gojic at that? yes. does he want a dictatorial kind of state including his own powers when he says i'll do this, i'll do that? that's what kryptofascism is. >> -- argument being thrown out a little more. especially this week about trump. the psychological appeal. called ambiguity symbolintolera. people are so sick of uncertainty. and he plays right into that. >> of course he does but also complexity. forget ambiguity intolerance. we have trouble with complexity in our culture. in our media. complexity is what defines the problems that we're dealing with in this country. people are looking for easy answers. many people. also he is driving the agenda of

the republican party right now. and he has been driving it in this election way to the right in places its never opinion before. now we're seeing pull back and push back but it is a great opportunity for the democrats. one of the things i think we probably -- and i've said it before -- might well have a broken convention. an open convention. i see an article in the washington post by bob gates, the former sect of defense. cia director under republicans and democrats saying well what would the next president really have to look like to be a good president? i can see a movement for bob gates being drafted. we're in a place we've never been, because of trump. >> carl bernstein. thank you very much for the perspective. as always. >> good to be here. >> good information on a hot topic. there is a lot of news so let's get to it. >> anybody killing a police officer, death penalty. >> i like and respect both donald and -- i do not believe

either one of them is going to be our nominee. >> discussing the possibilities of a brokered republican convention. >> he's not a serious man. he's good at -- he's a great politician. >> the fear of domestic terrorism is at an all-time high. >> we will leave no stone urn turned. >> geneva switzerland on alert. >> the threat level here raised. guards are now carrying heavier weapons. >> i'm going good grief i'm in over my head. >> sergeant bergdahl's brutal account of his captivity. >> starting to sink in i really did something bad. >> this is "new day," with chris cuomo. >> good morning, welcome to your new day. friday december 11th. 8:00 in the east. we have a lot of news this

morning. gop leaders starting to brace for the idea that fifty primaries and caucuses may not be enough to decide a nominee. no individual candidate may get enough delegates so thi they had to huddle to discuss the possibility of a brokered convention. this with donald trump surging in national polls and ted cruz now up as the viable alternative. >> absolutely. the texas senator ted cruz making waves. leaked audio of him predicting the demise of the front runner donald trump and also ben carson. this morning trump firing back on twitter. no surprise there. all of this making the next republican debate days from now, tuesday night, must-watch television. let's get the latest from cnn's athena jones from washington. i don't know when he sleeps but he's up and tweeting about this. two big tweets about ted cruz and that ad last night. >> good morning. that's right. and i'll get to that in a moment but trump's spot at the top of the polls makes him a top

target. the thing is so far nobody has managed to land any punches on him and that leaked audio from ted cruz is now raising questions about whether he's going to become the latest candidate to try to knock trump from his perch. >> both of them i like and respect both donald and ben. i do not believe either one of them is going to be our nominee. their campaigns have a naturally arc. >> newly released audio from a private fundraiser reveals texas senator ted cruz questioning the judgment of front runner donald trump and ben carson. >> who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? i think, look. people run as who they are. i believe that gravity will bring both of those campaigns down. >> cruz has avoided public criticism of the billionaire. but now just four days away from the next cnn republican debate, cruz may not be able to avoid him anymore. the senator now polling second in the latest national gop poll.

even though trump is leading by almost 20 points. this as trump continues to outline controversial proposals. >> anybody killing a police officer, death penalty. it is gonna happen. okay? >> the latest, trump says if elected president he would sign executive order to mandate the death penalty for convicted cop killers. >> lot of people killed. killed very violently. sitting in a car waiting. sitting in a car watching. and somebody comes from behind. >> and trump's plan to ban all muslims from entering the u.s. igniting a fire storm of backlash. >> i no longer think he's funny. >> yes i will say i -- >> yeah. >> and it doesn't appear to be resonating with voters. more than half saying they oppose his controversial ban in a new national poll. trump's divisive proposals are making the gop nervous. meanwhile cnn has learned that a

group of republican leaders met in private to discuss a plan for a contested convention. which would be triggered if no candidate has enough delegates to win the nomination. now, it doesn't seem like trump sleeps a lot and he's certainly a big consumer of news so he is aware of these comments ted cruz made at that private fundraiser. he's taking to twitter to make a series of comments this morning. trump saying ted cruz should not make statements behind closed doors to his "bosses." he should bring them out into the open. more fun that way. another tweet from trump. looks like ted cruz is getting ready to attack. i am leading by so much. he must. i hope so. he will fall like all the others. will be easy. so there is donald trump weigh into the conversation this morning. >> donald trump as he likes to say, lots of energy. joining us on "new day" this morning to discuss republican

pollster kelly ann conway. she runs a super pac supporting ted cruz. nobody knows the inside game and numbers better than you. cruz gets a pop. that is the headline. what's going on. >> he's been working the church, the community groups and forums in iowa for quite a while. now three or four major endorsements in iowa from people who aren't just bringing themselves to stand next to him and campaign. but really bring an infrastructure per person. steve king dominates western iowa. very popular radio show host there. and i think what senator cruz has been able to do in iowa and now elsewhere, he's even in the top four or five in new hampshire. usually have to compete in iowa or new hampshire but not both and he seems to be trending in both, chris. he's got the good message. the manpower. nobody is better organized. and of course he has the money. 38 million in super pack. and 26 million in hard money.

governors perry and walker dropped out early. they had plenty of super pac money. but you need the hard dollars in smaller increments to be able to fly around and pay your staff. >> people underestimate the need and influence of the ground game. does cruz have a better one than some anticipated. >> a tremendous ground game. and at the super pac we've take an gamble this year. the traditional role is collect the money, collect the money. and run ad after ad. we've take an gamble chris in that we've hired 14 people at our super pac in south carolina. i have eight people on the ground in iowa. this is unheard of for a super p pac. but our candidate is a bottom up guy. he's go and talk to the people. look at there was a report this week when senator rubio showed up at a forum in michigan. a third of the room was full. when senator cruz shows up the only people mad are the fire martials because they have to

open more doors. >> when senator cruise h--. help me understand your head on how you see that match up. obviously you are for cruz. but is it -- why do they get lumped together first of all? >> is it ethnic identity i --. what is the compare and contrast. >> they do get lumped together. and i think senator rubio is the tremendous public servant. they are five months apart. they come from cuban immigrant fathers. and they have wonderful stories. and at the same time they slayed dragons, beat the competition to win their seats. but there are two bright line distinctions in their positions. senator rubio, it is reported in today's "new york times" has only been in washington two days in all of november. he has a day job there. jeb bush has a point. he's missed more votes than any

senate in the entire body. he missed a very important national security vote in november and said from a campaign stop in new hampshire i would have voted yes. senator cruz was there voting as such. so i also think they are very different on national security and they are very different on immigration. we found there are certain deal breakers. common core, amnesty. that is going to be a very difficult measure to walk back for senator rubio. because he locked arms with senator schumer. and joined the democrats to try to have amnesty early on. >> that was seen as the step towards progress. you have to balance with how you broaden the tent. let's take immigration. what does senator rubio said? we're not going to get it done as one bill. we have o break it up. think about different things. cruz has been seen as an intellectual heavyweight who holds a very hard line. but is that a practical approach

to getting that bigger tent of base, you know, beyond just the gop? >> senator cruz just this last year introduced in past with overwhelming margins in the senate two piece of legislation. he worked with two female dpoktic senators to pass legislation for example condemning hamas for using people as human shields. they had a legislation that would revoke your visa or your passport if you take up with isis. you can't go spend a semester abroad with isis and then think you are going to come back to this country. so he does go and work with other people. he very recently broke with his party on a national security and the bulk data collection and the nsa surveillance. and maybe he had a point. we couldn't find these two terrorists who is comment, radicalized comments were in the public domain. the guy was on a dating website looking for people who want to have shooting practice. they were on facebook.

there is a point for wanting americans to have their privacy but still be able to stop terrorists. >> he has poked the beast. you were there. private -- he didn't take a shot at carson or trump. >> correct. >> but he had been distinguished senator cruz for really doing nothing negative where trump was involved. now he said i don't think they are going to be a nominee. i think there is a naturally ark. trump is camming at him. how do you handle it from a strategy perspective. >> we just keep doing what we're doing. we realize that voters have a reasonable expectation that your day job and your intersections put you in the intersection of policy and politics. it is one thing to run around and talk about what you would do. it is another to be one of 100 people who actually votes on the stuff. senator cruz had the anti iran deal rally in washington. invited mr. trump who was there by his side.

he has introduced legislation and voted on things that actually matter to us. i was in the room. it didn't sound like an attack to me. >> doesn't take much. >> doesn't take much. sound like a contrast. and i am disappointed that somebody would record it. i do that is bad ps. but that said this is politics, not a tea party. and he was reflecting what voters say. in the end do i want an outsider or one with insider experience? and am i just trying to send a message to washington? or am i trying to elect a president to go to washington? we're happy with the progress we're making but it is really slow and steady. we haven't run a ton of ads. >> thank you very much. a big lead up for the debate on

tuesday. this is going to be his moment. i'll see you there for sure. what do you think about some of the things we discussed. whether do you need out of a president? what do you think about senator cruz? four days from now it is going to come to bear. wolf blitzer moderating right here. when does coverage start? i'll tell you. 6:00 eastern for the undercard. 8:30 for the main one eastern. poppy. >> also this we're watching disturbing details turning up in the probe of the deadly shooting in san bernardino. the times this morning reporting the terrorists were reporting an even larger attack. what are they looking for? that's where we find anna cabrera. >> reporter: the fbi saying they will leave no stone unturned. and we're expecting fbi divers back in this lake behind me here as soon as it gets light.

on the other hand they are looking for evidence that may be connecting to the san bernardino shootings. they are following a couple of leads that the shooters were in this area on the day of the shooting. they have already scoured the park and still need to search the lake. it could take days and they are going to be methodical about it. we're also learning that authorities are taking a closer look at whether farook, the male in the shooting, whether he was connected to a terror krefl that he was broken up here in california a few years ago.cell he was broken up here in california a few years ago. >> we did arrest four individuals back in 2012. they have since been convicted of material support to terrorism. these individuals were not planning to conduct a terrorist attack in the u.s. >> instead this group was accused of plotting an attack in afghanistan, of going to fight with taliban and al qaeda forces to blow up a u.s. military base. now farook apparently was in the

same social circle we've learned according to a source close to the investigation, that farook was in a social circle with the recruiter of this group that was broken up and busted by authorities. of course 2012 is also the same year that enrique marquez said he and farook were planning an tanking attack of their own right here on the u.s. soil. and enrique marquez is the one who provided the gun, the ar-15s the couple used here in the san bernardino shootings. he is still not facing any charges this morning. >> very much a free man. a curious aspect there to the investigation. we'll continue to follow it. let's take a quick break here. we got a story update for you. remember sergeant bowe bergdahl? you are going to hear from him for the first time about his desertion. and he's going to compare himself to somebody in this statement that is going to raise

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season two of the hit pod cast "serial" premiered yesterday with bowe bergdahl breaking his silence. >> doing what i did was me saying i am like, i don't know,

jason bourn. i had this fantastic idea that i was going to prove to the world that, you know, i was the real thing. >> joining me now is his defense attorney for sergeant bowe bergdahl. his attorney eugene fidel joins me now from connecticut. thank you for being with me, sir. >> good morning. >> everyone has been waiting to hear from him. and this is a unique platform. he did more than 25 hours worth of interviews. a lot more to come. but everyone had been waiting for years and years through his captivity to find out why he left his comrades. why he left his platoon. now we know and he compares part of it to a movie character. what should we read into that? what more can you tell us about that. >> what i would suggest that

people should continue to monitor this pod cast. i don't know where the pod cast is headed. i'm not familiar with what's in the succeeding segments. but i would also say it's important that the government release sergeant bergdahl's 370 page transcript of the interview that he was subjected to by lieutenant general kenneth doll. that is the best articulation of all of the facts and circumstances that i'm aware of. and unfortunately the army has refused to release it. and has refused to permit us to release it. we obviously have a cop. that is unfortunate. i think people should be entitled to hear it and read it and form their own opinions rather than my trying to spin anything or sergeant burgundial's detractors trying to spin things. let them see exactly what he said when he was under oath and

interviewed for more than a day. >> has your client said anything more to you about that, that reference to jason bourn or why he walked off? >> well, i can't go into, you know, privileged communications with my client. there is an attorney/client privilege and he's entitled to have me may not the confidentality of those conversations. they will get more context. >> let's talk more about that day when he walked off. he walked off saying he was trying to go to a larger base to get attention for lack f leadership problems that he thought were putting his platoon members at risk. but here is the context of it.

he was supposed to that. that platoon later that day was supposed to have returned to a larger base where he could have voiced his concerns. and here is what former comrade said about that. >> absolutely. i mean you are going to go out and be jason bourn and try and be a super soldier to prove who knows what to who knows who. you left your soldiers behind and men behind and brothers in arms behind and he put them in the very real danger he was trying to get us out of. i see no change in the fact that he's deserting and that he's possibly a traditor. >> can you take us at all into his thinking about those comrades? >> well first of all i take deep offense at that speaker's casual

reference to my client possibly being a traitor. that is a page right out of donne donald trump's playbook and frankly i'm sick and tired of people throwing that term around. treason is the only term mentioned in the constitution. it is a matter of gravest character in society and for people to casually toss that in is really appalling. that is what i have to say on that. with respect to the rest of it, i think people should listen to the pod cast. i think people should be insistent that the army release the full transcript and then they will form their own opinion rather than taking my spin on it or the spin of the individual that you just put on the air. >> i want to play other sound from this first pod cast that aired. talking about whether he said doing something bad or something serious. let's roll that. >> 20 minutes out i'm going good grief i'm in over my head. suddenly it really starts to sink in that i really did

something bad. well not bad but i really did something serious. >> the case against your client is still open. he potentially faces a life sentence. talk to me about the thinking between him talking so openly and putting it all out there like this. >> that is something that's sub -- it is a subject that i can't talk about because of the attorney/client privilege. i'm terribly sorry but i think to do that would be violating my abilities as his attorney. >> and you haven't heard the whole series. neither have we. >> right. that also is subject to the attorney/client privilege so i'm sorry i can't help you on that. >> appreciate you joining us. thank you very much. >> you're welcome. you know it is always frustrating when you hear a lawyer assert the privilege but you have to remember that's why you have a lawyer.

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gun control. the president directed his team to fine tune proposals on topics like background checks and closing the gun show loophole. a former oklahoma city police officer found guilty of rape and other charges. he targeted 13 women on the job. could face 200 years in prison. the sentencing is next month. for more on the five things to know. go to "new day" cnn.com for the latest. >> thank you chris. newly minted cnn hero of the year. is the legal guardian to almost 50 boys and girls in nepal. helping educate hundreds more children. and her story plooufs one person can make a huge difference. michaela pereira sat down with maggie moments after she won. >> ladies and gentlemen t 2015 cnn hero of the year is maggie

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why? why do you believe keeping muslims out is a mistake? >> because i think united states was not built on that principle. we are a nation of immigrants. and muslims have served this country very well since its inception. starting from -- and all of those in between. we're in every fabric of this community. we are part and parcel of this country. we have amongst us, academic, musicians, athletes, politicians who have contributed a lot and will continue to do so as we move forward.

>> you mentioned muhammad ali just one example. he came in opposition to this idea. the pushback from the other side is it is not american muslims this is being said about. it is foreign muslims and it is only temporary and maybe that is not what the country was based on but it is new times and it is new threats. >> listen to fight the kind of threats we have we need the help of all muslims. not only american muslims but muslims all around the world. according to the organization of islamic countries there are 57 muslim majority nations in the world. 1.6 billion muslims on this earth and growing. we need their help. we need their support. look what's happening today. donald trump's statement that muslims will not be allowed to come into this country is having very adverse effects in those countries. i was on the radio while coming to your studio and heard chief

of qatar airways is saying he's not going to allow donald trump to get on his airplane. dubai golf course with the brand anymore trump has been taken down. and the united kingdom, they needed 300 thousand signatures to file a petition to ban trump to come to the country. in two days there were more than 500 thousand. all i'm saying that we have to be united in this current turmoil we're facing. and in order to do so we should not alienate any muslims. >> to push the point one step further, that is bad for trump a what you just said. that may endanger his safety but how does the idea endanger other american's safety? >> we are in this fight not as american muslims. we are in this fight as americans. so what i'm saying to you is that when there is this perception that there is a political view in this country

which is antimuslim, it impacts everybody. we are in this together. and i tell you, i was -- i have a a lot of friends in that part of the world. and i was calling -- they were calling me and they are saying that look, i think it is time that we put trump in the no fly list of our countries. and when he says that it is hurtful as an american. it impacts all americans. not only donald trump but all americans. >> there is a nagging belief by people in america that the muslim community has not stood up against islamists, and extremists and radicals and terrorists, at least not enough. what do you make of that idea? >> well, i think that is not absolutely true. however i also say this. that muslims should not stick their head in the sand. they should be aware of what's going on. and they should fortify their

household and their families with ideals of america. and what is interesting is this, that according to the fbi, the majority of the tips that are coming against this kind of incident are coming from muslims. the bombing that was about to take place in time square was -- didn't take place because this street vendor intimated to the law enforcement and he was a muslim american. >> there is no question that when you talk to the intelligence circles as i'm sure you do all the time, with all due respect mr. ambassador, they say the most important thing and thing that needs to be improved the most is interaction between authorities and muslim communities. ambassador thank you very much for joining us with your perspective on this.

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time will tell. but hillary clinton says former president bill clinton would make a great first dude. here is what she told seth meyers in this edition of late night laughs. >> what qualities does your husband have that would be good for that job? like knowing what you brought to it. like being the first -- >> okay. all right. well i really haven't given this a lot of thought but maybe i should. >> yeah. >> he's a great host. >> yeah i can imagine. >> oh my gosh. so any event, you know, i can really count on him to make people feel comfortable. welcome in the white house. he loves giving tours so. >> that's good. >> he is kind of vegan-ish. >> okay. i mean he is vegan to the point he doesn't eat any meat or dairy

but he does have fish. i'm sure there is a name for that i don't know. he might have some useful information about menus. >> like if a vegan comes to the white house. >> yeah. what do you feed a vegan. >> in reality the first lady does so much more than that. she's kind of downplaying. >> more of a punch in the nose. the first lady as the standard or bill clinton who was president of the united states reduced to what he knows about being a vegan kind of. >> now it's time for the good stuff. >> and we love it. this is an important one. a young couple married in syria but they immediately had to run for their lives due to the ongoing civil war there. so they honeymooned in refugee camps on their way to canada. and it was in canada that friends, neighbor, mostly

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thanks for being here with me on this friday. we begin with a political war of words breaking out among ted cruz and donald trump. and ben carson now going public. >> i like and respect both donald and ben but i think this both instances in particular you look at paris, you look at san bernardino. it's given a seriousness to this race that people are looking for who is prepared to be a commander in chief. now that is a question of strength. but it is also a question of judgment. and i think that is a question that is a challenging question for both of them. so my approach much to the frustration of the media has been to bear hug both of them and smother them with love. because i think -- look, people run as who they are. i believe that gravity will bring both of those campaigns down. and i think the lions share