this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. on the show today, shut down the borders, ban muslims from

entering the united states. that was donald trump's call this week and it shook the united states and the world. remember, trump is not alone. populous and nationalists are gaining ground in europe. we'll examine the phenomenon at home and abroad. >> total and complete shutdown. >> we have britain's former prime minister to talk about it all. also, you've heard a lot about people who want to come to america from syria and iraq, but have you ever met a refugee? i will introduce you to one. >> i want to live in freedom, and i want to live in some place that it's safe. finally, what is the cure for climate change? how about gondolas in the sky. i'll explain.

but first, here's my take. i think of myself first and foremost as an american. i'm proud of that identity because as an immigrant, it came to me through deep conviction and hard work not the accident of birth. i also think of myself as a husband, a father, a guy from india, journalist, new yorker and on good days maybe an intellectual. but in today's political climate, i must embrace another identity. i'm a muslim. i'm not a practicing muslim. i'm completely secular in my out look. but as i watch the way in republican candidates are dividing america, i realize it's important to acknowledge the religion into which i was born. yet that identity doesn't fully represent me or my views. i am appalled by donald trump's

bigotry and demagoguery not because i'm a muslim, but because i'm an american. it's diaries from the 1930 describes how he, a german jew despised hitler. he tried to convince people that he did so as a german. that it was his german identity that made him see nazism as a travesty. in the end, alas, he was seen solely as a jew. this is the real danger of trump's rhetoric. it forces people who want to assimilate and see themselves as having multiple identities into a single box. the effects of this rhetoric have already poisoned the atmosphere. muslim americans are more fearful and will isolate themselves more. the broader community will know them less and trust them less. a downward spiral of segregation will set in. the tragedy is that unlike in europe, muslims in america are

by and large well assimilated. i remember talking to a moroccan immigrant who had a brother in new york. i asked him how their experiences differed. he said over here, in norway, i'll always be a muslim or a moroccan but my brother is already an american. once you start labeling an entire people by characteristics like race and religion and then see the whole group as suspect, tensions will build. in a poignant article, the washington post interviewed marine gunnery sergeant, a refugee from bosnia who explained how the brutal civil war between religious communities began in the balkans in the 1990s. he said, that's what's scary with the things that donald trump is saying, i know how these things work when you start whipping up mistrust between your neighbors and friends. i've seen them turn on each

other. i remain an optimist. trump has taken the country by surprise. people don't quite know how to respond to the vague unworkable proposals. we have to do something, he he -- he says. the phony statistics, the dark insinuations of conspiracies. there's something we don't know he says about president obama and the naked appeals to people's prejudices. people from all side aren't condemning trump. the country will not stay terrified even after san bernardino, the number of americans killed by islamic terrorists on u.s. soil in the 14 years since 9/11 is 45. that's according to new america. that's an average of about three people a year. number killed in gun homicides this year alone will be around 11,000. in the end, america will reject

this fear mongering and demagoguery as it has in the past. we're going through an important test of political and moral character. i hope decades from now people will look back and ask what did you do when donald trump proposed religious tests in america? for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. donald trump is not an isolated phenomenon in america. and he has many companions and fellow travelers abroad. the first round of regional elections in france last sunday, the party received the highest percentage of votes. the nation votes today in the second round. hungary, poland, finland all have seen a move to the

nationalist right. what does it mean, and how will this end? joining me now from paris, a french philosopher. here with me in new york, david milleybrand. bernard, what do you make of these really extraordinary results where the national front has won in six of the 13 regions of france? >> i think it will be denied today at the second round. they made big result of the first round. i don't feel it will be consolidated this time. there has been a huge campaign all during the week on the left, on the right. the french right has understood at the end of the day that these

people le pen, were their worst enemies. my belief that the voters have begin to understand it. she will not make such a good score this sunday. that's my bet. >> you were part of the movement with tony blair, bill clinton, where it seemed the center had begun to dominate politics. what has happened? >> i think the populism is strong when the center right and center left are weak. the center left and center right aren't universally weak. if you look at david cameron, center right, they managed to colonize enough territory to provide answers to the problems of the modern world. those movements are weak then

there's room for extremes to come in. i think that's what's happening in the agenda setting role of the hard right in france and the u.s. has obviously been a master class in some ways of political framing. >> ian, there are people who say, the wall street journal has this editorial, they say the rise is somehow the fault of the european establishment. were there miscalculations here that opened up ground for nationalism? >> well, i think the fact that you have this incredible geopolitical tumult in the middle east, even you can drag the middle towards the left or the right to deal with these

questions also. after the paris attacks, i have to say it was the most divisive response in a developed state that i've ever seen in 30 years of being a political scientist. and following san bernardino in the united states, we've had the same level of divisiveness and polari polarity. the issues on the agenda are going to get more dominated because of the nature of the fears, the environment, the inequality and the information technology that makes all this move so much faster. >> bernard, in france, do you have a sense -- you know, there does seem to be -- whether or not the national front wins in this round today, it does feel like nationalism is on the rise. you know, very strong movements against immigrants, against muslims, all this stuff. where will this go?

>> of course there is this movement and this reactionary trend. but it is not as strong as people say. the people of paris, the people of france has reacted with some cold blood to the attacks, to the recent attacks. i did not see a stupid act, i did not see -- thank god, any attack on simple muslim people. don't go away. we will be right back. when we come back, we're going to talk about what the rest of the world thinks of the trump phenomen phenomenon.

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we are back with ian bremmer talking about the rise of nationalism and of trump. ian, you follow a lot of the world, you travel a lot. what do they think of trump? >> there's no question that he's

considered a clown. but clowns have been elected before. we've had labor party in britain, jeremy corbin. these are not considered serious actors. you don't have a lot of people saying they're going to bet or not bet on the united states on the basis of the result of the 2016 election. what you do see is an understanding that while the united states was seen to be sort of immune to these problems of visceral action, the united states more politically apathetic and stronger. you're seeing that watching up onto american shores. the extraordinary reaction to trump's suggestion that you would have a temporary ban on all muslims entering the country and the tepid response from republicans and the mixed response from americans across the political spectrum, that comes as a deep and stark

surprise to most that are very concerned about where america is, what america stands for. does it not only export its values, but does it really even live up to them at home? i think that's the question. when you see the brits cozying up to the chinese in unprecedented fashion orange la merkel going to turkey and saying we're going to let you into the eu faster or the french saying we're going to work closely with the russians and syria. you see the transatlantic relationship is really falling apart. >> david miliband, what do you make of trump? >> i think that for someone, being a humanitarian agency, including letting 10,000 refugees into america, it's r

rel -- repellant to hear someone say that. i will also say however it's important not to just dismiss this behavior. remember, it feeds into precisely the narrative we don't want. it feeds into a narrative -- who would threaten society's mulety faith societies like the u.s. and i think that it's very, very important that a country that has become great because of its openness to the world doesn't undermine precisely the factors that have contributed to its success. the u.s. has quite a lot to teach europe and the rest of the world in this fashion. if not in the refugee area, in a general turning inwards away from a national engagement when there needs to be a

strengthening of the fwloegloba rather than restretreat from it >> the french prime minister has been very tough. but both of you have been very firm in denouncing what trump is doing and you really do think it plays into the isis narrative. >> when you look at the trump phenomenon and when you are a friend and admirer of america as i am, as most of french people are, number one, you are sad for america, for the american dream, for the shining city upon the hill. donald trump is not -- does not have the dignity to embody that in any way. number two, you are sad for the grand party of abraham lincoln, ronald reagan, john mccain.

even ronald reagan who at the end of the day defeated communism. it could be this man who looks like being drunk each time he goes on tv or make a speech is to disgusting and shameful. and number three, more important, my feeling that if i were a jihadist, if i were an advisor of mr. putin, i would pray all every day for donald trump winning the primary and maybe winning the election. for all the enemies of america, it would be a blessing to have mr. donald in the affairs, in the power. it will be a blessing for them. they pray for that every day. and for all those who have high idea of america, it is a nightmare. and you american people have to get awake from this nightmare as soon as possible.

it's my opinion. >> david miliband, when you watch these kind of phenomenons, what is the best way for republicans who want to kill the trump phenomenon, who are trying to figure out how to handle it, what's the way you deal with somebody like this? even watching the press, nobody quite knows how to deal with him. he makes up phony statistics or he'll say something that is blatantly untrue. how do you get your arms around that? >> i think the only way to fight anger is with answers. and serious politicians who expect to exercise power and want to exercise power need answers. i think that in that sense, it's important to keep a sense of perspective. i think about 20% of the american population are registered or likely republican voters. mr. trump has a third of the 20%.

it's important to keep a perspective. the most important thing for any elected or aspiring politician to remember is the minority of a majority doesn't make a majority. the fact that the common sense that the clear articulation of an alternative agenda does hold the affection and the loyalty of people who want to advance the country. and so the worst thing i think is to run in the slip stream of extremism because that only feeds it. >> ian bremmer, do you think trump could get the nomination? >> i still think it's very unlikely. but we do have to understand that in the last week, trump has dominated the american air waves on all sides of the political spectrum without spending a single dollar. the establishment media is perceived as part of the problem, just as the establishment politicians. precisely those that are saying they are likely trump voters.

they are more women than men and they are not just republicans. it's not just trump, it's carson and cruz as well. that is new in america and it's not going away. >> ian bremmer, david miliband, thank you very much. on tuesday, you can hear from donald trump and his fellow contenders for the 2016 gop nomination at the next republican debate right here on cnn, tuesday evening at 6:00 and 8:30 eastern. next, on gps, hugo chavez and his machismo. how the former strongman's policies brought economic ruin to venezuela. it turns out the era of chavez and other left wing pop lists in south america might be over. to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq.

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now for our what in the world segment. terrorism, isis and donald trump have been grabbing the biggest headlines recently, but over the past few weeks, an entire continent, south america, has witnessed a seismic sea change

in its politics. venezuela, argentina and brazil which account for around two-thirds of the continent's population have seen serious setbacks for his left wing populist governments. it all started in argentina last month when moncrief pulled off a stunning upset in the presidential election over the ruling populist party. they had been in power for 12 years. last week, venz ezuevenezuela's list party suffered a crushing defeat at the polls with its opponents grabbing two-thirds of the seats in parliament.

it was the first nationwide loss in 17 years and the opposition will now have the power to change the constitution and wrest power away from president nicholas moduro. in brazil, mass protests have dogged the president along with a 10% approval rating and she now faces the threat of impeachment. why the dramatic aboutface? it's pretty simple. they've run their economies into the ground. as the "wall street journal" pointed out recently, chavez and other populists came into power and made mountains of cash from selling products like oil, livestock and minerals and helping many out of poverty. but they also ran huge deficits

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at this time when so many people who have never met a refugee from syria or iraq, talk about them as if they are experts, i thought it was important for you to meet a real life refugee. president obama commented on this picture of a syrian refugee on facebook feed with 16 million followers. brandon stanton is the creator

of that feed and the author of two best selling books. for more than a week now, he has been posting a series of pictures and stories of refugees. brandon joins me now. in turkey, we are also joined by a woman whose pictures and stories brandon started posting this weekend. brandon met my executive producer on the street last month, asked to take his picture, and posted his picture on him and his son on humans in new york but that has no bearing on his invitation to join me today. why are you doing this? >> for the blog, i stop random people on the streets of new york city. i found that through what i learned about interviewing people, i've been able to travel other countries and meet people there and tell their stories. the population of people i've been most drawn to are the stories of refugees. i interviewed refugees that were

going across europe. and most recently i went to jordan and turkey and interviewed refugees that had been approved for resettlement in america. the tragedy of their stories has been completely eye-opening to me and it's a story i also want to be able to tell to my audience. >> aya, you were 7 years old, living in iraq when the iraq war began. what was that war like for you as a 7-year-old? what do you remember of it? >> actually, it was like bad feeling for a 7 years old girl to see that war in this age. so actually maybe i can't explain it by words. it was really awful. a lot of people dying every single day and guns and bombs

and everything. so it was really horrible thing to see. >> tell me about how you lost your friend to a bomb, your best friend. >> i hate to remember it. it was really horrible day for me because i lost my best friend in it. i just remember that she was screaming of pain and i couldn't do something. and there is some woman just take me out because i was crying that day. so they just told me that i should go outside and not be in there. >> then you see more violence. with your father, you see a car explode in front of you. what was that like? >> i remember that it was like an action movie but in the real life. and horror movie in the same time because everyone was

screaming and running out. and some people on the floor and some legs and hands and heads. so my father just go from the car and me and my father was just looking if there is anyone alive there. you can't imagine that it's just like titanic, but it's in the streets. we were just saying that is there anyone alive. and everyone was just like -- there's no sound. and i told that there is no more life now. but we just find some people who are -- who are alive and we took them to the hospital. >> so you went to syria. and what happened in syria? >> yeah. i went to syria. actually, in syria, the life was really easy and everything was real amazing. the people was really kind and i

didn't feel that i'm a refugee there. i'm not strange. i can speak the same language and i can do the same traditional thing because it's the same thing. so it was really amazing life in syria. >> but then -- then the civil war began in syria and there are tanks on the street and you have to flee -- you have to run away from syria. >> we just left everything and one more time we just left everything and we come to a new country. >> so now you're in turkey. what is life like? >> actually, at the first, i hated life in turkey because it's a new country, new language, new people. i can't go to school because i can't speak turkish and something like this. so the situation was really hard

because everything is different. it's really new life for me. >> you applied for a refugee status in america. and one day, you thought that you had been accepted because they updated the website and said that. what did that make you feel like? >> it was amazing moment. i will -- i will not ever forget it because it's meaning that i will go, i will do everything to go there. it's my dream because my mom was talking a lot about united states and it's a good country, the country of dreams, and if you work hard you are going to have everything. so i just thought that this is the life that i want. and my dream come true. so it was amazing moment that i will not ever forget it in my life. i was just like dancing with my family and it was amazing night.

that isn't the end of it. the story does not quite have the happy ending you think it does. >> and when that letter comes, i just feel that i can't dream anymore. >> when we come back, more from aya. the one you got last year?tter n if we consolidate suppliers, what's the savings there? so should we go with the 467 horsepower? ...or is a 423 enough? good question. you ask a lot of good questions... i think we should move you into our new fund. sure... ok. but are you asking enough about how your wealth is managed? wealth management at charles schwab.

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we are back with brandon stanton of human lg of new york, and aya a woman who fled first iraq and syria, she now lives in turkey. she's 20 years old and supports her entire family as an interpreter. she received notification that she had been accepted to come to the united states. but then a few months later, something happened. she picks up the story right there. >> we were being ready to go there, and even we take our bags and everything and buy some new clothes and everything. and after that, in december, in the mail, the normal mail, they

just send us that message that destroyed my dream, i can say, telling that you had rejected -- you are not getting to go to united state of america. so it's not just for me. it's for my family, it was really bad news to hear because we had that hope that we are going to go to a new life, to the country that we are dreaming in it, and there's my aunt and we are going to live a happy life and everything. and when that letter comes, i just feel that i can't dream anymore. >> what would you say to -- to americans who worry that, you know, too many people are coming in from outside and that they worry about this large number of refugees? >> well, actually, not all of

the american thinking in the same time, but i just can say that we run away from war. so we are not going to be dangerous in your country. we just want to live in peace and we want to live that good life. we want to work. we want to study. so we are really normal human beings but we just like saw a lot of horrible things in our life. and when someone -- when some person do or dislike a bad thing, that doesn't mean that all of the people are doing the same thing. we should just say that it's individual things. so it's not -- not all the muslim people or not all the arabic people are bad people. we have the bad people and the good people in the same time like americans people. it's everywhere in this world.

we have the bad guys and the good guys. there's really good human beings. they just really need to come to your country to start a new life, to start a new hope. >> why is your english so good? where did you learn english? >> my english, when i was like 6 or 7 years old, i was loving los angeles and new york and watching movies and listen to music. and when the american come to our country, i was talking to the americans, like soldiers and i was doing that practice with them, actually. when the other people there scared and afraid from them, i was running out and just telling them that i want to do practice, please can you help me. they were really nice people. and i just like discovered that they are human being like us and they are lovely people. so i can speak with them. i can do my practice with them

and that's fine. so from there, i get my english. >> what would you do if you did come to america? >> i hope that i can do something really useful maybe i can open an organization or work for this. i will be volunteer. i will help all the people. that's what i'm going to do. i want to live in freedom and i want to live in some place that it's safe. i want to study. i want to work in legal way. i want to travel. i want to have that support to tell people that i am that country's citizenship. i want to be proud of saying that, that i have that country's citizenship, and for sure america is my dream. i was dreaming all the time i will be that american citizenship someday. >> what will happen if you don't manage to get to america? >> i will be lost like now. i will be human being without

dream. i will say like this, i will be lost all the time. >> you told me when you would hear about the small number of refugees who were allowed into the united states, you were struck by how each one really, the only ones who got in had almost heartbreaking stories of suffering and hardship. >> there are millions of refugees. the united states is taking 10,000. they have the luxury of saying no to almost everyone. they don't need a reason to say no. they don't need for someone to be a security threat to say no. they can say no for anything. i interviewed 12 families.

the 12 families in turkey and jordan that were going to america that were willing to be interviewed. they all either had an extreme physical handicap in the family or a ph.d.. that's how selective we're being. because of that, people like aya who is one of most human beings i've ever met and she's done everything right, she's done everything right. she did it the legal way and she applied and has nowhere to go and they're telling her no. what's going to happen to her? >> brandon, thank you very much. ok, we're here. here's dad. mom. the twins. aunt alice... you didn't tell me aunt alice was coming. of course. don't forget grandpa. can the test drive be over now? maybe just head back to the dealership? don't you want to meet my family? yep, totally. it's practically yours,

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reducing greenhouse gas emissions was a major goal of this week's paris climate talks. it brings me to my question of the week. which of the following cities is the most congested in the world? loss ang less, beijing, istanbul, or mexico city? stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is "who speaks for islam?" "what a billion muslims really think" by john esposito and dahlia mogahead. you hear a lot these days about muslims and what they believe. here are the facts provided by two experts on islam who have combed through opinion polls, surveys and election results. in today's charged atmosphere, this book provides an essential voice of calm and reason. the correct answer to the gps challenge question is c.

according to tomtoms annual traffic index, istanbul is the most congested. city in the world, followed by mexico city, and rio de janeiro. los angeles ranks tenth on that list. mexico city officials have an unusual idea for one way to deal with their city's terrible congestion rate. their solution isn't to reduce the number of cars on the roads by increasing subways and buses. it's a loftier goal. the next time you're stuck in a traffic jam, imagine how would you feel if you could soar above all of the cars stopped below. well, officials in mexico city are proposing a system of elevated gondolas that would allow their citizens to do just that, ads quartz has reported. take a look at the proposed gondola system. as you can see from the model these fit two passengers. they can change direction on the track. in fact, commuters can save time by stopping only at their destination unlike a subway or

bus. a ten-mime gondola system could transport 200 million passengers a year, the government says. >> if it works, it can become an overall frequent way of transportation across the entire city and many other cities in mexico. >> mexico even developed this $2.4 million prototype to demonstrate how the gondolas would work. installing such a system would be cheaper than building a subway, the government says, by millions of dollars and cheaper to run than the bus or subway. it certainly is an interesting plan, if the funds can be raised, and one that would contribute to mexico's goals of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, not to mention easing the frustrations of people who spend hundreds of extra hours in their cars every year. this year mexico pledged to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 22% by 2030. for mexico and other developing

countries to actually hit the targets that they have outlined, it will take a lot more than a few admittedly nifty technologies. like elevated gondolas. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello thanks for joining me i'm fredricka whitfield. we're two days away from the los gop primary debate of the year in las vegas and now this breaking news. we now know the line-up for the cnn republican presidential primary debate. let's go to las vegas and cnn's john berman with me for the next three hours from the venetian. what is the news? >> hey, fred, right behind me is the lovely venetian las vegas. two nights from now it happens and now we know who will be on that stage. there will be nine candidates on the main debate stage, that in and of itself is news. donald trump once again front and