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>> remember, you can always follow me on twitter. tweet me @wolfblitzer. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. into next, breaking news. protests in baltimore. a hung jury in the trial of the first officer charged in freddie gray's death. plus, donald trump unscathed after the cnn debate. and talking about god on the campaign trail. is ted cruz or donald trump going to win the christian vote? let's go "outfront." good evening to all. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, i begin with the breaking news. hung jury in baltimore. angry protesters on the streets of baltimore tonight. a judge declaring a mistrial in the first trial of a police officer charged in the death of freddie gray. a stunning and major development. this is baltimore right now.
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crowds are gathering. they have been growing in size by the moment since this mistrial was declared. hundreds of people now marching through the streets chanting the now familiar refrain, no justice, no peace. the jury deliberating for three days. that's it. they were unable to reach a verdict on any of the four counts in the trial of officer william porter. the 26-year-old was the first of three black officers to be tried. six officers in total charged. porter is still facing trial and said it's not over yet but thank you for the call. miguel marquez joins us tonight "outfront." what is the reaction from the crowd tonight? >> reporter: well, look, they are not happy with a mistrial. that will be read in the neighborhoods that justice is not served. the protest here in front of
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city hall, it's breaking up, for the most part. there are others that are going -- this gentleman is talking about two people who were arrested earlier today. they moved through the streets on the other side of the city hall. here is the court where freddie gray -- the hung jury was in the porter trial. they marched around the city here and over to police headquarters. but for the most part, very, very peaceful, boisterous, angry but peaceful. there are other protesters, it sounds like, gathering on the other side of the city hall there. but at the moment, they are trying to stay silent. the the police not moving in with riot gear but in very big numbers and blocking off major roadways so protesters can't slow them down. erin? >> and miguel, what's the feeling as to why this happened on the street? it's a shock that this could have happened? what's the reason from the people you're talking to?
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>> reporter: well, the sense is that it could have been a lot worse at this point. if this is the worst of it, i think baltimore officials will breathe a sigh of relief. the fact that there was none of the charges -- he was not found guilty of any of the charges today comes as a shock to some of the individuals here. i think that many residents in baltimore assumed that the lower charges -- the misconduct in office, reckless endanerment, he would have been found guilty. to have this jury as divided as the city is on all of the charges comes as a bit of a surprise. and they look forward, they say, to the prosecutors recharging him and trying him again. but clearly with five other trials to go now, this really throws a wrench into the works. >> thank you, miguel. freddie gray's family calling for peace saying there will be
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another trial. jean casarez is live "outfront." there were four counts against. this. this is a crucial case. the first case. they were not able to reach agreement on any of them. >> reporter: no. on none of them at all. i was in the courtroom when the jury came in, when the judge determined that it was a hung jury and i looked at that jury as they walked in. they looked tired. they looked beaten and worn and defiant and angry and looked as though they had fought so hard for their position because there were two distinct sides in this case. it was two weeks ago today that the jury was selected. a very diverse city for baltimore. seven blacks and five whites. and the prosecution theory really centered around the six different stops that that police van carrying freddie gray made on april 12th. the prosecution theory was that between stops 2 and 4 is when
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freddie gray sustained a horrific neck injury. his neck was completely broken. the prosecution offered no theory at all as to how it happened. no evidence that it was a rough ride. no evidence that certain things happened. but they said it happened at that point because it was stop number four that william porter asked him, do you need a medic and he said "yes." and that's what prosecutors pinned their case on. the forensic pathologist, vincent demayo from san antonio said, no, that accident to the neck had to happen after stop four, after porter talked to him. with a neck injury like that, you would be totally particlized and no oxygen to your brain and you could not respond or talk to anybody. so two distinct sides. in the end, the jury could not decide on any of these charges and we do understand that tomorrow sometime there will be a conference between the judge and attorneys to set a new date
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for a retrial. erin? >> thank you very much, jean. and as miguel is monitoring what is happening on the ground there, i want to go now to paul callan, former nypd police officer and van jones. bill, let me start with you. you heard miguel on the street talking about the incredible number of police officers that they are now flooding the streets of baltimore tonight because they are worried that this could get out of hand. are they really concerned? >> oh, absolutely they are really concerned because they are afraid for this thing to build up. and as we've seen in the past, cars turned over and businesses set aflame. we don't need that to happen again in baltimore. >> this was the first case a. case of huge significance. six officers charged. one of them charged with murder. first one out of the gate to fail this epically? that's probably the right word, right? you can't reach agreement on a single charge? >> i think what is shocking is that they chose the prosecutors in baltimore, to go to trial on
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this case in the first place. it went in as a very, very weak ca case. bear in mind, william porter, 26-year-old african-american police officer, didn't put a seat belt on freddie gray. and that freddie gray was injured. but at the point in time when he was putting the seat belt on, he was supposed to put it on and didn't, he said that there were complaints and that they should take him for medical care. based on that, he's charged with manslaughter and other very serious charges. he said, porter, when he testified, that he's made 150 arrests using a van and he's never put a seat belt on. he didn't even know that seat belts were required by the regulations in baltimore. so i think the jury had a lot of problems saying that's mans lawsuit s slaughter. >> van, this obviously is a case -- there were the riots, violent riots earlier this year because of this, protests.
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the state attorney, marilyn mosby in baltimore, now a nationally known figure. police turned over the investigation incredibly quickly. people said she was moving too fast. was this a result of that or not? >> well, it's hard to say. the other way to look at it is that it is very, very difficult to get -- tough to get some of the jurors obviously and they had a mistrial and it's not like the cops were acquitted and an acquittal would have been a devastating body blow to that town and to marilyn mosby. off hung jury and a chance to do it again. i would look at these charges and see what did you do wrong here. but there's enough evidence that something happened badly for
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that jury to hang and that let's you know something did go wrong there. >> we have no idea, van, there are men and women on this jury, 12 of them, 7 of them black and 5 of them white. >> one more thing. part of the reason the folks in baltimore -- if this is a normal situation, a bunch of people grab somebody and somebody dies, all the guys that grabbed him go to jail. you're part of this thing and breaking the law. i think what happens is you're on the street and say, hold on a second, nobody is going to go to jail when somebody dies like this and it seems like two-tiered justice system the mayor has done a great job to flood the zone with the police. this is not over yet. i don't think that you should say the prosecutor did the wrong thing yet. we're still in this process. >> paul, as you see these protests growing tonight, you keep hearing no justice, no
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peace. obviously the implication when you hear that is the only thing you find justice is some of these people going to jail. that may not be what the jury system says. the jury system would say, nobody goes to jail. what happens on the streets of baltimore? >> we always would tlik think that the court system sends a message about social policy in the united states and then verdicts are demonstration of that policy. the truth is, it's about evidence in court. and it's hard to prove a murder case beyond a reasonable doubt. i think what is particularly surprising here strategically, you have a young, inexperienced prosecutor, marilyn mosby, late 30s, when she takes on this enormous responsibility. and she tries the weakest possible case of all of her cases first. >> why would you do that? >> i don't know. it sends the wrong tone and message. the argument that was made was, if he were convicted, they would have used the threat of jail to force him to testify against other police officers. but they could have accomplished
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that by giving him immunity, making a deal with him in advance of trial and getting his testimony that way. so i think there was a strategic judgment error that was made in how she proceeded. >> well, i thank all of you very much and, of course, as we're watching this story tonight, tomorrow they need to set a new date for trial in the case of mr. porter. the first of the six officers charged going to court. "outfront" next, donald trump coming out of the last debate of the year unscathed. it's looking more likely that he'll be the republican nominee. and rubio and cruz. the battle is getting more ugly tonight. plus, who is more religious? donald trump or ted cruz? >> i brought my bible. okay?
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tonight, donald trump is riding high. declaring six months to the day he announced he's running for president. trump arriving at a rally in arizona this afternoon, descending from his private plane into a big crowd of jubilant supporters where we don't often use but a fair one in this case. jeff zeleny is "outfront" from mesa, arizona. >> reporter: donald trump taking air trump on a self-declared victory lap in arizona. >> i love you. i love you, folks. >> reporter: a dramatic entrance for trump who standing tall after the final republican debate of the year. made clear that the gop field is clarifying. it's now trump and a scrappy fight for his alternative. >> you know, they used to talk about the silent majority. we're not silent anymore, folks. >> reporter: he emerged without a scratch and showed today he's still dominating the race.
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>> 14 of them. i was prepared. but i said, this could be unpleasant in front of millions of people. and out of the 14, you know, jeb and i guess rand paul who doesn't have a chance -- i mean, what's he doing? >> reporter: trump took on a more serious tone but the look on his face said it all. one priceless expression after another. this time, most of his rivals ignored him. not jeb bush who seemed to relish confronting the billionaire front-runner. >> so donald, you know, is great at the one-liners. but he's a chaos candidate. and he would be a chaos president. he would not be the commander in chief we need to keep our country safe. >> jeb doesn't really believe i'm unhinged. he said that very simply because he's failed in this campaign. it's been a total disaster. nobody cares. >> donald, you're not going to be able to insult your way to the candidacy. >> reporter: with trump and cruz
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both playing nice, at least for now. in the days leading up to the debate, cruz said trump wasn't fit to be commander-in chief. trump called cruz a maniac but standing face-to-face, they were proper gentlemen. >> the last three or four days. he's a wonderful temper. he's just fine. don't worry about it. >> we will build a wall that works and i'll get donald trump to pay for it. >> reporter: now, one of the reasons that cruz didn't go after trump is he wants trump's voters. cruz is trying to position himself as a true conservative in the base. donald trump does not believe his supporters are going anywhere. they were definitely with him today in arizona. and erin, i can tell you that music he walked into at that rally, it was from air force one. so clearly trying to send a signal here that he's looking ahead. he thinks he's going to be the republican nominee. >> he sure seems to now. thank you, jeff. and now, dana bash, who you saw
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asking questions in the debate along with matthew dowd, chief strategist for the cheney campaign and david gergen who advised four presidents, including reagan and clinton. matthew, what is your opinion about how he performed in the debate? >> i think all he has to do right now is not make a bigger ror. if he doesn't make a big error, he continues to lead. the race is in his hand and he did well among his supporters and continues to lead. >> error-free. david, on twitter, it wasn't just as jeff pointed out, on twitter, he wasn't going after anyone else on the stage. he went after hillary clinton with a donald trump-esque tweet. hillary clinton is weak and
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ineffective. no strength, no stamina. >> i think it's heavily suggested that he's turning his guns away from the republican rivals in this race and toward hillary clinton. last night, i thought he was conciliatory and the way he dealt with people on stage. but overall, he was much more conciliatory. i think he was trying to be friendlier and i thought very important. many people believe that his vow last night to support whoever was nominated was hollow. i beg to differ on that. this is -- that's the most emphatic pledge. when you go out in front of millions of people and say something that strong, that emphatic, that rigid, you've got to follow through. you cannot -- and i don't think he's going to break that pledge. if, by chance, or if cruz can break through or rubio can take
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this away from him, even if there's a brokered convention, i think he's going to support the republican nominee and i think that's a very big help for a lot of republicans who are scared. he would break away. >> dana, what about the fact that he wasn't willing to fight with ted cruz? ted cruz, we know behind closed doors, said he didn't think that trump had the judgment to be president. last night, you tried. you tried to get them to talk about this. i want to play the exchange. >> you do believe he has the judgment to be a commander-in-chief? >> all nine of the people here would make an infinitely better commander-in-chief that barack obama or hillary clinton. >> are you surprised by the love fest between cruz and trump? >> i wasn't. because this has been the dynamic since the beginning of this race, at least certainly
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since donald trump got in six months ago, that ted cruz has been very, very careful not to criticize donald trump. even when trump tries to bait him in to doing so he won't. which is why the fact that ted cruz's private comments got out, the private comments at that fund-raiser in new york got out was so significant because he really was behind closed doors questioning the judgment in the most grave way possible as commander-in-chief, his ability to deal with nuclear codes. that's what i was getting at there. and the fact that he didn't go there at all was very telling as to what jeff zeleny was talking about, which is, he still believes that trump might not make it. >> now you have three weeks sort of until we're well into january when everyone is going to be re-engaged as the voting public. you still have a huge feel. you still have an undercard
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debate with four people on the stage. when are more candidates going to drop out. when you add up 1%, 2%, 3%, that's a real number for one of the front-runners. >> first, a shoutout to dana. i thought the way cnn did the debate was well done and they managed the stage very well. all of those characters on the stage. i think this race is no longer -- we're going from a football team amount of people to a baseball team which was on the debate. we're about to head to a basketball team, five people. that's where we're headed with this. i think you're going to see a series of candidates drop out. i think you're going to see at least three candidates drop out. >> at least three. >> when you see who has no room left in this race, it's come into pretty good form and the structure of the race right now is donald trump is the leader followed by ted cruz who is very competitive in iowa and then you have marco rubio who is probably the up and coming establishment figure and one other person,
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probably chris christie, who has the most room. i think after that, the nominee is going to come from one of those four people and i think the race, quickly in the aftermath of the holidays, after everybody goes home and wives and relatives say, why are you running, a number of candidates are going to say, this race gets much smaller come january. >> there is that personal contemplate tif time come the holidays. sorry. go ahead, david. >> i would add jeb bush to that crowd. i think last night he did himself well and, you know -- >> the crowd that could last. >> could actually make it. >> could last? >> he's got the money. he's definitely going to go through new hampshire. see, what happens -- and maybe he can find his way back in, it's a very, very high hill to climb. but i wouldn't count him out. >> you know, and i think, david, you're exactly right about that in the short term. and there's no question that
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that was the main goal of jeb bush being the sole guy who was going after donald trump. that was for his current donors and kind of a plea for the many, many donors of the quote/unquote establishment who are still sitting on the sidelines to say, look, guys, this is your last chance. if you want to get rid of donald trump, look, i'm the guy willing to take him on. give to me, support me, this is it. >> i think what's going to happen is jeb bush is going to drop in the polls and the aftermath of this race. >> except 3%? >> except 3% and 5%. here's why. one is that his fight with donald trump did not help jeb bush. it made it seem like he had more energy but it did not help him where he needs to be helped. what is happening now is chris christie performed well and they are in the same lane and any numbers that rubio or christie get are numbers that jeb bush can no longer get and that's a huge problem for jeb bush. there is no room left in this race, i don't think. now, something surprisingly happened and i agree maybe
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there's a lift with this. jeb bush has no more room left in this race. he's got a lot of money to spend. he probably gets to go through new hampshire but it's really the outside shot that he can survive in this race. >> thanks to all of you. "outfront" next, is there room for only one 44-year-old senator in this race? rubio and ted cruz. that fight is now on. and jeanne moos with the many faces of donald trump. here at the td ameritrade trader group, they work all the time. sup jj? working hard? working 24/7 on mobile trader, rated #1 trading app in the app store. it lets you trade stocks, options, futures... even advanced orders. and it offers more charts than a lot of the other competitors do in desktop. you work so late. i guess you don't see your family very much? i see them all the time. did you finish your derivative pricing model, honey? for all the confidence you need. td ameritrade. you got this. [ sneezing ] a cold can make you miserable. luckily, alka seltzer plus cold and cough liquid gels.
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tonight, supporters of ted cruz and marco rubio claiming victory after the presidential rivals traded blows throughout the entire debate. their mission was to convince voters to take out donald trump of the polls. they actually kind of look alike in that shot. athena jones is "outfront." >> reporter: marco rubio -- >> everyone on that stage talks tough. >> reporter: -- and ted cruz back on the campaign trail today after going head-to-head in last night's debate. the two first-term senators are battling for a second place in the gop race for the white house. cruz hitting rubio for his work
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on a failed immigration reform bill. >> you know, there was a time for choosing, as reagan put it, where there was a battle over amnesty. and some shows to stand with marco rubio and barack obama and support a massive amnesty program. >> reporter: but rubio hit back. >> i'm always surprised by his attack on this issue. you are supporting those in this country illegally. >> i understand marco wants to raise confusion. it is not accurate that i support illegal immigration. >> reporter: calling for a border wall like donald trump whose supporters he covets. rubio also bashing cruz as soft on national security saying his vote to limit the national surveillance capabilities made america less safe in the fight against terrorism. >> we're at a time when we need more tools, not less tools.
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>> the old program covered 20 to 30% to search for terrorists, the new program covers nearly 100%. that gives us greater ability to stop acts of terrorism. >> reporter: exchanges that highlighted the pair's different approaches to defense issues. rubio favors more u.s. intervention and is committed to syrian president bashar al assad. >> we're the most powerful nation in the world. we need to begin to act like it again. >> cruz wants less intervention ov overseas. >> if we topple assad, the effect will be isis will topple serious. >> reporter: with the iowa caucuses less than seven weeks away, both candidates are trying to take over the conservative voters. this battle is certain to get more heated. and one more thing, during their exchange last night on surveillance, rubio accused cruz of divulging classified information. cruz said today that accusation
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was another attempt by rubio to spread misinformation and to distract voters. erin? >> thank you very much, athena. "outfront" now, our political commentator and host ben ferguson. and rachel, her husband shawn dauf f duffy, is a marco rubio supporter. that was something to watch last night. >> it was. >> it was something to watch. who came out on top? >> i think ted cruz. he always seems like he was under control and looked like a guy that was surging in the polls. rubio is a great debater. he's done well and had a bump in the polls after these debates but last night he was playing defense. he wasn't playing offense. i thought he looked a little rattled and i don't think it's going to help him and i think ted cruz is a guy that right now a lot of people are saying, okay, there is an anti establishment love right now by the gop movement. there is. look at donald trump and carly and everyone else. ted cruz is the next best thing
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to a real politician who is in washington and also is an outsider and i think people like that. >> rachel, would you agree, ted cruz got the better of rubio last night? >> i don't. i think in this case, rubio got the best of cruz. let's not forget, rubio is the original tea party candidate and i don't think that that star has lost too much of its luster. i think what is really interesting here, one of them is playing a short game and the other is playing the long game. i think rubio is playing the long game. i think your guests here are underestimating how much the gop wants to win this presidency. so, yes, they have concerns that they want to get out and deal with within the primary but they are looking ahead to the general. who was the one that hillary clinton -- but who is the one that hillary clinton fears the most? it's absolutely marco rubio. and the reason i say he's playing short and long, rubio is staking a position on immigration that is palatable. strong on border security -- >> you just said something that
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i think -- nobody wants to be the gop establishment candidate right now. you just said the gop -- >> real quick, the gop wants marco rubio. if i'm marco rubio -- >> no, i did not say that. i didn't say that. i didn't say that. i said the original tea party candidate. >> you said they want to win the white house, right? >> i said they want to -- no. listen. the base still wants to win. while they have concerns they want to deal with in the primary, they are still looking ahead to the primary. who is more electable? rubio's position of tough on border security, reforming immigration but also dealing with the -- no. but ted cruz is changing his position on legalization. >> that's the biggest difference between rubio and cruz. that's his biggest vulnerability. you're the guy that was weak on immigration and the gang of eight.
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>> they both were for legalization. >> you can't say that. do you really think it's the same after the argument last night, after the fight last night you're actually saying that you believe marco rubio and ted cruz are the same on immigration? they fought over it. >> they absolutely -- not now because he just changed his position. his position earlier was very similar to rubio's position. >> rachel, let me play right now what happened in the debate. >> the campaign promising to lead the fight against -- >> ladies and gentlemen, this is why the american people are -- >> answer the question, please. >> does ted cruz after rule out anybody illegally in the country now? do you rule it out? >> i've never supported legalization and i do not intend to support legalization. >> he's just not being -- >> it's very clear there. >> but he made it clear but let's you and i be clear, he did
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change his position. he was for legalization. he was for standing worker visas. everybody on the stage except for donald trump is for immigration reform. it's some iteration of it. >> his biggest vulnerability of it is the immigration fight because of the gang of eight and that is exactly why i think the gop establishment in fact liked him. the problem is, ted cruz, the guy from texas that's been sitting there at the border for years now, it's how he won the senate race when he was running against david dewherst. to imply that he has somehow changed his position -- >> aaron -- >> they are going to say he was too tough on immigration. >> one final word, rachel? >> erin, your guest is right in one regard. marco rubio may lose a few people on the far right in the general -- in the primary. as they look towards the general, the candidate with
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positions more palatable were with hispanics and also with the general electorate who knows we have to deal with the 11 million. it's not reason to say that we are going to deport them is marco rubio and that's why hillary clinton fears him the most. >> thank you both very much. see, even when you all have a fight, it's good. "outfront" next, ted cruz, a good debate performance, rising poll numbers. our report on how deep this connection is to conservative christians. and whether that will fuel more of a surge. and christie and bush head to head during the debate. who landed the best punch? >> donald, you're not going to be able to insult your way to the presidency. that's not going to happen. the markets change, at t. rowe price, our disciplined investment approach remains.
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tonight, ted cruz in a heated battle with donald trump in the league in iowa hoping evangelical voters are going to give him the edge. that really could make all of the difference. tom foreman is "outfront." >> reporte if i'm elected president, we will hunt down and kill the terrorists. we will utterly destroy isis. >> reporter: tough talk from a deeply religious man. speaking at a conference of conservative christians in iowa last month, these were ted cruz's first words. >> any president who doesn't begin every day on his knees isn't fit to be commander in chief of this country. >> okay. let's say grace. >> okay. >> father, thank you for this day. >> reporter: cruz, 44, and his wife heidi, have two girls,
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indica catherine and caroline. he's a southern baptist. growing up he went to private evangelical schools. his father, rafael, is a cuban immigrant. raised catholic, he became born again and is now a pastor at a dallas church. he's known for his fiery and often political sermons. >> the people need to stand firm and push back against this onslaught. >> reporter: the trappings of a mega church sermon, he launched his bid at a landmark of the evangelical movement. >> god's blessing has been on america from the very beginning of this nation. and i believe god isn't done with america yet. >> reporter: shortly after the terror attacks in paris, several republican candidates called for
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a ban on syrian refugees. cruz offered a compromise, only admit christian syrians. saying, quote, there is no meaningful risk of christians committing acts of terror. as cruz has risen in the polls, trump has taken note. >> i do like ted cruz. but not a lot of evangelicals come out of cuba, in all fairness. it's true. i think we're going to do really well with the evangelicals. >> reporter: the polls tell a mixed story. nationally, trump still leads among evangelical voters. but in the crucial state of iowa, the latest polls show cruz with a commanding lead among evangelicals. trump has gotten in trouble with some conservative christians. >> if i do something wrong, i just try and make it right. i don't bring god into that picture. >> reporter: trump says so many things that seem to fly in the face of what evangelicals would believe. the real question here is why
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does he have the support he does have evangelicals. the simple answer seems to be, erin, that an awful lot of evangelicals out there intersect with voter who is feel that they have been cut out by the media elite, the political elite and they are looking for a champion who they think will smack washington right in the mouth and say, respect these people. and they think trump may be that person even if they are not so sure that he'll show up in church next sunday. >> thank you very much. it's pretty fascinating. almost made light of his religion at times. "outfront" next, tony perkins. tony, you say ted cruz is out to win social conservatives is paying off, that he's the candidate to do it. why do you back him so much? and you haven't come all the way to the line of endorsing him. >> no, i have not. i think this race is really shaping up to be a two-candidate race where you see donald trump and ted cruz. both of them are dominating in the polls and i think your setup
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package is spot on. donald trump is resonating with conservatives, with evangelicals. but i think the one thing that is giving ted an edge is in iowa and we're seeing it in some of the earlier states, he's addressing the issue of religious liberty. the two candidates leading in this race are those that are willing to challenge the chains of political correctness that want to hold people back and a part of that is religious liberty. ted cruz has made that an issue. there was a recent poll that came out that said 82% of parents with school age children think we ought to talk about christmas in school. 61% say we should have more religion. this is a latent issue. >> does it bother you, tony, 34% of white evangelicals back trump. only 20% cruz. cruz is a religious man. trump has been honest and said god doesn't come into it every
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day for him. does it subpoerprise you, thoug that so many evangelicals would back him when he admits that? >> no. look, evangelicals are not monolithic. they are not necessarily looking for somebody to be in church with them. they are so tired of being choked back and silenced that donald trump is a breath of fresh air. as they look more closely and get ready to vote, they would like to have the choice that most clearly aligns with then on all of their values. that's why i think you see cruz rising in the polls. don't count donald trump out. he's not a political mirage. >> and obviously you have yet to formally endorse anyone. tony, thank you. >> thank you. "outfront" next, bush and christie, both men fighting for a breakout. are they moving up or getting out? and jeanne moos on how trump mugged his way through the debate.
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ask your doctor about cialis for daily use. insurance coverage has expanded nationally and you may now be covered. contact your health plan for the latest information. tonight, new hope for governor chris christie's presidential campaign. the republican candidate grabbing headlines as a big winner in last night's debate. and jeb bush for the first time also getting credit for his performance. >> donald, you know, is great at the one-liners, but he's a chaos candidate and he would be a chaos president. i don't get my information from the shows. donald, you're not going to be
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able to insult your way to the presidency. you think this is tough and you're not being treated -- >> this isn't tough. i wish it was always as easy -- >> if your eyes are glazed over like mine, this is what it is like to be on the floor of the united states senate. and yes, we would shoot down the planes of russian pilots if they were stupid enough to think this president is the same stupid feckling we have in will right now. and we know from watching the san bernardino attack that women can commit heinous, heinous acts against humanity, just the same as men can do it. >>. >>o "the washington post" calle christie a big winner, but he's been polling solidly below 5% nationally. could this vault him higher into that group? >> he's looking at new hampshire, erin. that's his one shot. not iowa. and i think it could, given the fact that we're in the
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post-paris, post-san bernardino environment and he is playing the "i've got the experience" card. "i was attorney." "i was governor." "i know what it's like to deal with terrorists." and "by the way, i'm also an outsider. i'm not one of these folks who stand on the floor of senate and try to debate how many angels on the head of a pin," as he put it. "i'm someone who gets things done and makes decision." yeah, i think it could really help him in new hampshire. >> and obviously, if he could win new hampshire, that could really dramatically change things. what about jeb bush, though, gloria? he got buzzed last night. social media buzzed him. buzz him on the youth. his comment to donald trump about insulting his way to the presidency was the top social media moment of the debate. >> right. >> could one debate save jeb bush? >> i think it would be very difficult. i think that it certainly gives him a little bit more oxygen, erin. i thought that bush was doing
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one canned line after another. he delivered it better. i think he seemed -- and i don't know, maybe i'm wrong here, but he seemed a little uncomfortable going on the attack that way. i don't think that's really who he is. but i think he also knows and has been told that he has to do it if he's going to gain any traction. it's a little risky to take on donald trump, because, erin, you know all those people who have taken on donald trump have failed and have dropped in the polls. but i think, again, in this environment we're living in, where people are anxious about terror attacks, i think that the more he calls donald trump an unserious candidate, the better he looks or his advisers think he looks by comparison, so, that's what he's trying to do. >> so, the bottom line is, does this get jeb bush -- how far does this get jeb bush and chris christie? this debate. this is a crucial debate? >> i think they live. i think they -- i think they live another day. and i think they both live to
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compete in new hampshire. the problem for christie and bush is that they're competing in the same lane. and that the moderate lane is pretty crowded and that one of them's going to have to knock the other one out. >> all right. gloria borger, thank you. >> sure. thanks, erin. and "outfront" next, jeanne moos with the one thing donald trump doesn't do well. hide how he's feeling.
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more than 18 million people watched last night's gop debate. and while some candidates tried to keep a poker face, donald trump did the opposite. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: i swore i wouldn't do another "faces of trump" story, but here it is. the sequel, because who could resist this. >> and he gets his foreign policy experience from the shows. >> reporter: cartoonists can't resist. nor can an expert on facial expressions. >> i was just blown away with how comfortable he was dismissing his rivals. >> reporter: but he's a chaos candidate. >> reporter: "the new yorker" had already dubbed this one a stretched cheerio, tweeted one journalist, trump makes the kind of faces that would have gotten me sent to my room as a kid. he even faced down the audience when booed. >> who would be -- i just can't imagine somebody booing. these are people that want to kill us, folks.
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>> reporter: thedale show tweeted, trump using debate to prove he hasn't had botox. to which someone replied, he clearly thinks with his lips. but are trump's faces premeditated? >> i think there's a sense in which, yes, it's premeditated. east certainly camera savvy. on the other hand, what he's giving way in the face is very spontaneous, very pronounced. >> reporter: so you're saying it's a premeditated but spontaneous expression? >> yes. only the donald could pull that off. >> reporter: one critic tweeted, trump should just get it over with and stick out your tongue and give moose antlers. well, guess what? the donald sort of did. the tongue, not the moose antlers. as trump gave jeb bush a playful slap, post-debate, photographers caught him sticking out his tongue without apparent malice. now, here's a fun little quiz. see if you can pick out the guy who wasn't actually on the debate stage. >> isis was not a -- >> am i talking or are you
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talking, jeb? >> i'm talking right now. >> i'm talking right now. >> i'm talking. >> you can go back. >> who the [ bleep ] do you think you're talking to? >> you're talking to the guy who talks with his face. jeanne moos, cnn. >> but he's a chaos candidate. >> reporter: new york. >> thank you for joining us. "a.c. 360" starts now. good evening and thanks for joining us. tonight, which republican presidential candidate has the national security know-how to be commander in chief? that was the focus of last night's cnn debate. more than 18 million people watched. now the reaction for viewers, fact checkers, and our team of military and intelligence experts. first, though, breaking news out of baltimore from protesters took to the streets tonight, marching through the city, marching against what happened at a courthouse late today. eight months after the death in police custody of freddie gray, a hung jury in the trial, the first of six police officers charged. mr. gray's death sparked the baltimore's worst rioting since the assassination of dr. martin luther king jr. this
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