a new home. dan simon, cnn, oakland. >> pretty neat looking. thank you so much for joining us. be sure to set your dvr to record "out front" so you can watch it. a c360 starts right now. good evening, i'm john berman in for anderson tonight. we begin with breaking news. the first arrest in the san bernardino terror attack and chilling new details about the attacks, that is attacks, plural, that one of the killers planned with his friend years before this month's deadly shooting. enrique marquez is the guy that bought the guns for the husband and wife. tonight he is in custody and facing three charges. the shooters, as you know, were killed as they fled from police. what we are learning tonight from court documents deeply disturbing. justice correspondent pamela brown joins me now. pamela, these attacks that enrique marquez is being charged

with, what are you learning about these attacks? >> reporter: that's right. we first talked about the attacks last week that marquez and farook wanted to launch, now we're learning how disturbing the plots were. the criminal complaints say sayed farook and his long-time friend planned to use pipe bombs for an attack at riverside community college where they were both students, specifically targeting the library and cafeteria area because they wanted to maximize casualties. they allegedly also planned to start the attack by throwing pipe bombs into the cafeteria from an elevated position on the second floor. in a separate plot marcus told investigators he and farook planned a major attack on a busy highway. farook would allegedly shoot his rifle into the stopped cars and kill people while marquez would shoot law enforcement people. it's very disturbing. >> pamela, i understand there was a dispute within the d.o.j. to bring this prticular terrorist charge, right?

>> reporter: that's right. my colleague have been speaking to officials within the department of justice, and we were told that this debate of whether or not to bring the terrorism charge today went into late last night. in fact, it wasn't even on the table 24 hours ago. then within the last 24 hours it was included in this criminal complaint and there was some dispute about whether or not to wait on the terrorism charge, perhaps bring it later, whether to bring it at all. after all, this was an attack that marquez backed away from. this was a time when he turned away from radicalization and distanced himself from if a zblook just this morning we were talking about there were only going to be weapons charges. purchasing the two weapons charges in the san bernardino shooting? >> that's right. we know he purchased the ar-15s that were used in the shooting in 2011, 2012. he told investigators he bought those guns so that farook could avoid attention, which is a violation of federal and state law. you can't buy a gun for someone else so that they can avoid a

background check. initially the thinking was they were going to focus on that charge. what's interesting, if you look through the complaint, john, marquez called 911 after the attack telling the operator that his neighbor was responsible for the san bernardino shooting and that farook actually used his gun, but he said in here that he gave his gun to farook for safe storage, john. >> that's not all. on top of all of this, pamela, there's a charge about a sham marriage with a member of farook's family. >> reporter: that's specificit was married to a member of his family. he would get $200 a month. she was from russia. if she didn't get married to a u.s. citizen she would have to go back. that's also a charge he faces. >> pamela, so many concerns obviously around the country

about terror right now. we're learning that a teenager in pennsylvania was arrested and charged for supporting isis. more on that. >> reporter: that's right. this goes to the heart of the terrorism threat. a 19-year-old named jalil. he was charged with providing material support to isis. he tried to communicate through encryption with other isis supporters. he tried to help others who he believed were terrorists trapped in syria. it also alleges he had a technical -- tactical style to go bag that was discovered during a search of his home that had high capacity weapons, magazine, ammunition, knife and other survival items. authorities believe he potentially wanted to launch an attack in the u.s., john. >> a lot of electronic leads. pamela brown, thank you so much. a lot of reporting there. a lot to talk about with our panel. former fbi council member agent, peter burg, his book ou united

states of jihad." phillip mudd was a senior official at the fbi and cia. and jeffrey toobin who was also a federal prosecutor. esteemed panel to say the least. tim, let me start with you. a lot of planning. a lot of preparation seemed to go into these two attacks that thankfully did not take place a few years ago. what do you make of all of this? >> well, john, it's pretty customary for al qaeda and isis as we've seen in the past couple of decades to over plan things. 911 took five years in planning and i don't believe that that was absolutely necessary to execute the type of attack they did. in this case it's a much simpler attack, off the chef items and a little bit of black powder and you have some pipe bombs. so i think they try to over work these things in their mind where they are planning these attacks, and thankfully they are.

those are the types of things that lead to them stumbling. the more preplanning, preparation, the easier it is for law enforcement to find out about the plot and disrupt it. in this case thankfully at least one of the alleged assailants decided to give up the plan and disclosed it to laempt after december. >> bill, it's interesting. you heard him talking about usually what happens, often what happens with this much planning, there are leaks. it did here. the only reason we know about this is now this guy is singing. that two guys can do this for so long. >> this is confusing me. you'd think with this much time and the investigation that the questions, john, would start coming off the table, about motivations, acquisitions, i still can't figure out and they're getting more confusing. we went through a raid

callization process. three years passed between 2012 and 2015. nobody else was radicalized. we went through a process of target selection. in those three years between 2012 and 2015 the subject never thought about another target? i don't get that. finally and most significantly, as pamela was saying, they were looking at those targets in 2012 to maximize casualties. why then three years later do you pick a target that resulted in significantly fewer casualties at that county building. there are questions that i think are unresolved and may never be resolved. >> jeffrey, some of those questions might be the way that the fed is going about prosecuting this and the charges they're levying. what kind of legal gestures are they trying to make. are they trying to find out if anyone else was involved? >> he's going to say, look, i came forward. i talked to the authorities and told them about these other

plans. i was not involved in the -- in the actual shooting. the response legally from the prosecution, you know what, when you get involved in a terror plot and you give another terrorist a machine gun, an assault rifle, you are responsible for the foreseeable consequences, which means his using it. legally he's in trouble. he is going to -- the question is, can he cooperate. >> what can he give them? >> well, that's the question, if anyone else was involved. the thing they certainly want the most is the name of other co-con spiritors. at the moment we don't know of any of them, but if there are any, he would get some benefit from that. if the only one he can cooperate is dead, that doesn't help. >> today's complaint says at one point he wanted to collect the allegiance and it's interesting. for a while it didn't matter

which terrorist network he could identify or work with. he seemed to be shopping in a way. >> i think that's exactly right, john. at the time he was shopping for al qaeda, that of course was the most virulent group. two years in the future that isis would be -- sort of come to the fruition. i think one of the interesting things about the complaint is how many times al qaeda is mentioned and how many times "inspire" magazine is mentioned. they constructed pipe bombs. the recipes in "inspire" magazine calls for christmas lights for some bombs. we see that in what they were doing in san bernardino in the garage behind their house. building those kinds of bombs. i think if the federal

prosecutors was conspiring to provide support to a terrorist organization. they were 24ig of that in 2012. do something on behalf of our guy here in yemen. >> tim, we're learning about this arrest tonight, a teenager in pennsylvania, apparently had some kind of go bag filled with ammunition. a lot of activity online. is this just one now of you think many arrests like this that will happen and put new focus on possible activity in the u.s.? >> john, i think we're going to see this kind of arrest for the foreseeable future. isis is a an online entity. their recruiting efforts are very, very widespread throughout all the social media. it's also the fact that they are currently the winning team in that regard. they're the winning islamic extremist organization on the planet. so anybody that has the ideology

like farook did wants to go to the winning team. they'll attract a lot of losers home on their internet. this is the '60s radicals are now the 2015s radical terrorists. >> phil, last question to you. what does your gutt tell you about the investigation in san bernardino right now? you've been part of this type of thing before. do you think it stops with the dead pair, couple in enrique marquez. perhaps it's a financial connection. >> i think -- this is where i would be salivating to see that hard drive. i want to know who they talked to. i think that the prospect in the year between 2012 and 2015, not a single other person had an inkling of information. i'm not talking about co-con spirit horse. i don't buy that. it doesn't make sense. >> it depends what they did.

if they simply knew and didn't do anything to advance the conspiracy, that's not a crime. morally certainly indefensible. if they bought something for them, if they bought a visa, any sort of assistance that's not necessarily sort of criminal in its own but is helpful to a conspiracy, that includes you in a conspiracy. >> thank you all, gentlemen, for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next for us, jeb bush, one on one. he took aim at donald trump in the debate. now the hits keep on coming. can the former florida governor capitalize on this in his campaign? some much needed momentum. can he rise above the trump frenzy. we'll ask him about that and much more. speaking of donald trump, he got some unsolicited praise from an unlikely corner. vladimir putin. now we have a new statement for

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the jeb bush we saw in tuesday's republican debate is not the jeb bush we've seen before. some of the heated exchanges were between the former florida governor and donald trump including this one. >> honestly i think jeb is a very nice person. he's a very nice person but we need tough people. we need toughness. we need intelligence and we need toughness. jeb said when they come across the southern border they come as an act of love. >> you said on -- >> am i talking or are you talking? >> i'm talking. >> you can go back. you're not talking. >> september 230th. >> have you apologized yet? no. am i allowed to finish? >> one at a time. >> excuse my, am i allowed to

fin zblish governor bush has not let up on mr. trump. is it too late to make up lost ground? poll numbers remain in the low single digits. today russia's president vladimir putin had unsolicited lavish praise for donald trump. another bizarre neurosurgeon an election like none we have ever seen. jeb bush joins me from el paso. good evening, governor. >> good evening. how are you doing? >> great. listen, i want to start with your reaction from the russian news agency. they say donald trump is a bright and talented person without any doubt and the absolute leader of the presidential race. tonight donald trump has responded. he says it's, quote, a great honor to be so nicely complimented by a man so highly respected within his own country and beyond. so what do you think of all of that? >> i don't respect vladimir putin. he is the leader of a country.

but to get praise from vladimir putin is not going to help donald trump. he's not a serious candidate. he would bring chaos to the presidency as he's done to the campaign. it's entertaining. the fact is we're at war right now with islamic terrorism and he's not offered one compelling thing to do to keep us safe. it's all high volume, lots of talk but nothing specific. he hasn't taken the time to do anything specific. i think we need something to do. never going to beat hillary clinton with grandiosity without anything to back it up. >> you say he's not a serious candidate. you say he's a candidate of chaos. what are you going to do about it? you guys are doing due diligence looking to see if you can pull out of that pledge you signed to support whoever is the republican nominee including donald trump. why are you doing that? >> donald trump had threatened

to go once again to become a third party candidate. i didn't know they were doing this. that's a smart thing to do. determine exactly what the consequences are for making that kind of decision. look, my intention is to win the nomination. as we get close to the caucuses in iowa and new hampshire, donald trump will begin to fall because he's not a serious candidate. listen to his comments on the nuclear triad for crying out loud. this is the pinnacle of our deterrent, to be kept safe since the post world war ii era. he had no clue when asked that question. if he's going to be president of the united states, he needs to be a serious person, not someone who views this as an enterta entertainment show. >> to be clear, your committee was doing due diligence. >> yeah, no, exactly. that's right. it was related to his threats to leave -- leave the party.

this guy is not going to win the nomination. that's the basic point. he's not going to win the nomination because he's not a serious candidate. all the other candidates seem to be intimidated, but i'm not. he's a bully. he's not a serious candidate. he's not offered compelling alternatives to the path that we're on. we desperately need have that. >> do you wish he would? >> what i'm focused on is how do we create a strategy to destroy isis and the caliphate? we need to create a safe zone, a no fly zone. we are in bed with the iraqi military, that we arm the kurds. what donald trump is suggesting we ban all suggestions which would make all of that impossible to do. that's my point. we're at war with radical islamic terrorism. the president refuses to acknowledge it. >> you spent a lot of time on the campaign trail the last couple of months saying you're sick of talking about donald trump.

now your super pac went up praising you for going after donald trump. you do see much more willing on the debates and on the stump to talk about donald trump. why is this now a good strategy for your campaign? >> my strategy is to talk about my plans and when you can compare it to donald trump's, it makes it even more vivid, that long before the attacks in paris and the tragedy in san bernardino, i laid out a specific proposal to be able to destroy isis, which is exactly what we need to do. and it requires america's leadership in the world, it requires building an army, sunni led in syria, and getting back in the game as it relates to iraq and without american leadership this isn't going to happen. we can't do it alone. when you compare that to donald trump who late september said isis was not a threat, says let russia take care of syria, their thought is to prop up a brute it will regime. it shows a lack of understanding where we are today. >> would he make a better

president than hillary clinton? >> i don't think hillary clinton is going to be elected president of the united states. she's not trustworthy. her proposals are not much better. >> you didn't answer my question. would he make a better president than hillary clinton? >> no, i've learned not to answer questions. that's what you learn. you a ens what you want to say. >> wait. so you're just not going to answer it outright? don't republican voters deserve to know? you're attacking donald trump every day now which is something you got into routinely. is that part of your campaign? >> i don't think 245 he's qualified to be -- oh, absolutely i'd be a better president than hillary clinton. that's why i'm running for president. >> no, does donald trump. >> my point is -- my point is he's not qualified to be commander in chief of the united states of america. he's had a chance to bone up. god willing he'll start to do it. looks like it's all about him, not about creating strategies to keep us safe and the world right now has been turned asunder,

turned upside down because of lack of mesh leadership. we don't need another version of that. >> has the republican primary process been hurt by his abundance? >> hurt, no. i mean, we still have a long way to go. he's a gifted politician. he consumes all the news space. he's pretty effective at that. but to have these subjects brought up at a time of great national security concerns i think is appropriate. i'm going to do my best to be able to give people a sense that i have a steady hand, i have a plan to keep us safe and that i will rebuild our national security apparatus so americans can go back to zblis talk to me about where your campaign is. people who work for you were pleased after tuesday night's basis. some people see it as an opportunity to improve his base. you have a project in new hampshire, you may spend more

than half your time up in the granite state. how is this goings to work? >> well, we've always intended starting in january to spend a disproportionate amount of time in the four states in february starting with iowa. it's really important. nothing's changed in that regard. takes intense effort for sure. look, args the circumstances change, you adjust. that's exactly what we're doing. i feel good about where we are in the early states. we have a great organization. i'm going to focus on the message and i'll let the pundants opine and i'll let our campaign do some of it. >> you don't think you can win iowa anymore if you spend more than half your time in new hampshire? >> no, i'm looking to run it. that's not how campaigns are run. it's on a message about high,

sustained economic growth. it shows i have the proven leadership skills to keep us safe as a zblags governor, can you keep up the paleo diet through the holidays? >> no. i cheat. m&ms is what i cheat with. i can't afford to change my pants and clothes so i'm cheating on a pretty regular basis. don't tell anybody though. >> look, we'll do our best not to tell anybody. governor bush, thanks for being with us. happy holidays. i appreciate it. >> likewise. thanks. all right. anna navorro and john king, they are going to weigh in on governor bush's message coming up. plus, reaction from inside the trump campaign to what governor bush just said. you'll notice jeb bush just refused to say whether donald trump would make a better president than hillary clinton. what do trump supporters say about that? also ahead, more breaking

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we just heard from florida governor jeb bush before the break. this is what governor bush said about donald trump. >> this guy's not going to win the nomination. that's the basic point. he's not going to win the nomination because he's not a serious candidate. all the other candidates seem to be intimidated by him, but i'm not. he's a bully. he's not a serious candidate. he's not offering compelling alternatives. we need to change directions as it relates to our national security. >> he also covered other ground. joining me anna navarro, and inside politics, john king. john, tvs really interesting there. clearly governor bush has decided finally to go after donald trump a lot. it's happening in super pac ads,

it's happening on the stump. we saw it there, too. there seems to be a line. i pressed him pretty well if he thought donald trump would make a better president than hillary clinton, and he refused to answer. he said he's learned not to answer questions. >> he's no fan of hillary clinton. if you put him on truth serum, he would say he would like hillary clinton better than donald trump. i'm going to be the guy that takes him on. he's trying to get toughness points from republican voters who don't like trump. the other guys are intimidated by him, i'm not. we are 45 days from iowa. at the moment it looks like ted cruz would win iowa. at the moment you would say ted cruz or donald trump is going to win iowa. the question is, does jeb bush

try to compete there or pull out a miracle in ohio? does he try to do both? we're in the chest phase of the campaign. campaigns, even though they may have a super pac, none of the guys running second, third, fourth, fifth. fifth nationally, notice a pattern there. >> from memory, john, how many republican nominees have lost in both iowa and new hampshire? >> i would also refresh your memory. in 2003 howard dean was way ahead. he didn't win. john kerry was there. rudy giuliani led for a while. you can't count governor bush out, however, the hill gets steeper almost by the day. there's no question he had a better debate and his dine nors are happy to see it.

the question is do voters reward him for that? we'll have to watch in the next week to ten days. >> anna, you're won of those donors that john king is talking about there. you're one of his supporters. you like the tougher jeb bush we saw in the debate. you like the jeb bush attacking donald trump we just saw in this show a few minutes ago? >> i love jeb bush. so i'm very glad to see this jeb bush who's willing to fight, who's willing to show the hunger, who's willing to show the thirst, the commitment to be in this fight. i never doubted it. i'm glad america is getting to see it. i think from a tactical point of view going after donald trump is brilliant for jeb, first of all because i know a lot of the people on that debate stage and frankly other than lindsey graham, jeb is the only one showing the guts to go after donald trump despite the fact i know so many other people on the debate stage think that donald trump is a bully and what donald trump is doing is hurtful to

mark, hurtful to the republican party. yet they're not willing to take him on. jeb bush is doing that. it's brilliant. he has nobody to lose. nobody that's a donald trump supporter is going to vote for jeb bush. he's showing gutsz, he's showing lead errship. you know what, it's a wide open lane for him because nobody else is taking it on. so i'm also very happy to see it. i'm happy to see he wouldn't answer your process questions. whether he prefers donald trump or hillary clinton, doesn't have a damn thing to do with it. >> no, no, no, the bush campaign is all over the newspaper talking about -- >> john, i'm more interested -- >> whether they're doing due dilly against. he signed a pledge to support the nominees. he should be willing to answer

that question. >> he should have a campaign that doesn't -- >> frankly, i'm a -- i'm a -- i'm a hell of a lot more interested in knowing about what the paleo liquor he is going to stay on than nothing who's worse? do you prefer for me to cut off your right arm or your left arm. >> i think tequila is paleo friendly. talk about the marco and ted cruz issue. >> immigration, ted cruz put an ad up showing a picture. he calls this a national security ad. it shows the picture of the three of them together and ted cruz is trying to cement his momentum in iowa. ted cruz knows iowa is a spring board for him. if he wins iowa, he tries to prove he's not like mike

huckabee. he is the evangelical candidate, tea party candidate. if he gets momentum, they've changed the calendar. this is the calendar they built. ted cruz gets momentum, this is a calendar that could well be built for ted. >> look at march 1st, everybody. anna navorro, john king, great to have you with us, guys. thanks. up next, what the trump campaign has to say about what jeb bush said to me. this even age ger killed four people in a drunk driving accident. he's supposed to know right from wrong. now he's slipped town and federal authorities are looking for him. thinking about what to avoid, where to go... and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor.

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donald trump as we heard earlier is facing new criticism from jeb bush. he's getting a big virtual hug from russia's president, vladimir putin. apparently putin is a big fan. joining me to talk about this, sam is co-chairman and policy adviser for the trump campaign. mr. clovis, thank you so much. i think you might have heard jeb bush speaking to me earlier. he said multiple times donald trump is not a serious candidate, he is not qualified to be commander in chief and jeb bush flat out told me if he would support donald trump over hillary clinton. what do you make of it? >> i think it's probably you have a desperate candidate. i'll leave the major commentary to mr. trump. i don't think i need to sit here and fill the audience with our thoughts about a person who is a

3% and my candidate's at 42. >> he called your candidate a chaos candidate. you know, donald trump last night with jimmy kimmel said, yeah, he's been disruptive at times, a little dismissive of the other candidates. is that one and the same thing? >> i think what it's really been going on here is the dynamic of a race where we have 15, 16 people that started in this. i think what we're really seeing is things are starting to settle. we're starting to see like a bicycle race, we're starting to see a break away coming. we have four or five people that are breaking away from the rest of the pack. i think that's going to settle. that will probably crystallize as we get closer and closer to february 1st and the iowa caucuses. i'm pretty comfortable that mr. trump is going to come out on top here in iowa and certainly in new hampshire and south

carolina. >> i want to talk about what russian president vladimir putin said. he said donald trump is, quote, the absolute leader of this republican presidential race. a bright person without any doubt. how will that praise from vladimir putin play in iowa? >> i think people will put it in context. i think president putin probably had the comments to make there. you know, he is a very calculating individual. i'm sure he said those things with intent in mind, particular intent. i think mr. trump's supporters will take them in the context they were offered and we'll probably leave it at that. >> donald trump itself said it's great to receive praise from someone like that who's so respected in his own world. do you think that vladimir putin's the kind of guy you want saying nice stuff about you?

>> i think he's certainly a leader and he's a pivotal person. i think what it may be is mr. putin is showing respect to a person that he understands has the strength to match him. i think when you think about the russian mind set, vladimir putin is certainly the personification of that, i think it may be respect or reflective that is in this race and can stand up to mr. putin. i think he's acknowledging that. >> maybe the strength, what about -- >> john -- >> go ahead. >> -- i've talked to a lot of people about that. you should have seen my text explode on that. you know, i'm 29 years in the military, i spent my time working on planning for the nuclear triad. nobody probably knows that better than i do in a lot of areas here, and you guarantee you there weren't three people

on that stage that knew what the nuclear triad was. >> let me ask you about the cruz/rubio battle? >> well, i really think it comes down to where we see the american people. they're very strong about immigration is a very important issue to them. anybody that's afforded the citizenship or amnesty is not going to do as well out here for a person who doesn't. i think if you take a look where prison has not been supportive. >> sam's club, always great to speak to you. thank you so much. >> thanks, john. happy holidays. >> you, too, sir. the fbi and u.s. marshals joining the search for the so-called affluenza teenager. he drove drurng and killed four people and he avoided prison

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who famously avoided prison for a deadly drunk driving accident two years ago by claiming he suffered from affluenza. he was sentenced to probation and rehab. tonight an arrest warrant is out for couch after he didn't check in with his probation officer. randi kaye reports. >> reporter: look closely at this video. that young man with the blond hair may be ethan couch, and if it is, he could be in big trouble. that's because couch is on probation and isn't supposed to be drinking alcohol. 2 1/2 years ago at 16 couch drove in a drunken haze, crashed, and killed four people. >> we need some ambulances. we flipped and oh, my god. >> someone posted the beer pong clip on twitter earlier this month, and the county d.a. got wind of it. they went to talk to ethan couch about it, but it seems he disappeared.

his probation officer hasn't heard from him in days. no one knows where he is. >> i hate to say i told you so, but i told you so. >> the county sheriff wanted couch locked up back in 2013, but one defense witness changed that. in one of the most bizarre defense strategies we've ever heard of, attorneys for couch blamed the boy's parents for his behavior that night all because of how they raised him. a psychologist and defense witness testified that the boy suffered from something called after flew a lifestyle where wealth brought privilege and no consequences for bad behavior. the so-called aft fr defense. he pleaded guilty to intoxication manslaughter but the judge sentence him to alcohol rehabilitation and ten years probation. his father agreed to pay half a million dollars for his son's

pricey rehab digs. victim's family. >> years of life taken. 180 future life taken and my wife and daughter. >> abc news obtained these deposition tapes for the civil suits and listen as ethan couch's mother admits letting her son drive illegally. >> you understood if he was at any time under 16, he was never to be driving by himself. >> yes. >> nevertheless, you allow that behavior to happen, correct? >> yes. >> when's the last time you recall disciplining ethan for anything? >> i don't remember. >> and now the authorities think couch might have fled the country with none other than his mother. the boy's attorney would not discuss the case. if authorities do find couch, a

judge will decide if he violated his probation. if so, this time, ethan couch could end up behind bars for a decade. randi kaye. >> a former federal prosecutor. could not reach him this week, what went through your mind? >> i was not surprised. i predicted two years ago that something bad was going to happen of this. it didn't shock me at all. i wasn't surprised at all that he ran, particularly in light of the video that had surfaced. i'm sure he believed that his probation was ready to be in jeopardy if not completely revoked. i was expecting manager like this for the last two years. >> were you upset? >> i was upset. i was upset at the time. i'm frustrated to have done what he did.

take four lives, impact those families in a way that none of us can fathom and not ever express one sentiment of remorse. not ever have any guilt feelings or bad feelings, what could he do to get out of it. i'm frustrated. i was frustrated then. i'm frustrated now. i want him to be held accountable once and for all. those families deserve that. he deserves that and society deserves that. we are frustrated. the nation is frustrated. i'm bombarded with outrage he's out on the run. >> you follow this case from the beginning. you were surprised when he got just ten years probation for this. are you surprised now that heck be on the run. >> you know, vermon, it's a polarized season in the united states. it's politics. this is finally a story in the holiday season that we can all come together on. because this is so awful. this is so horrible. this is so outrageous that no

one, you know, the sheriff of course because he has to live with this, but no one can look at this story and be anything but horrified at what wealth and privilege got this kid and have gotten that incredible ridiculously undeserved gift of probation and to use it to play beer pong and disappear only proves how awful the case was. the sentence was in the first place. >> and they are still using it to go on the run because sheriff, you think he may be out of the country. >> i wouldn't be surprised. hasn't been seen since. i don't believe they're the kind of people who would have ran a short distance. i'm not at all surprised if they're out of the country. i don't have any intelligence information telling me that but my gut feeling said they have goen a long way with the money, the ability to disappear and i'm fearing they have gone a long way and out of the country.

>> do you know if he has a passport? >> i do not know for a fact if he does or does not. he very well may. >> jeffrey, did the fbi and u.s. marshals join the search, what does that mean? >> they're searching for him. he had a several-day head start. in an age that you can just get on a plane, and nothing on him to say he's a felon and he's not a household name, so if he went to most airports in the united states, he could take off with no problem. >> jeff, what's next? in the legal process. >> got to find him first. that's the only thing that -- you can't have a legal process without a defendant. and, you know, the good news if there's any good news is that the longer he stays away, the more he's going to be punished for this. >> sheriff, any message you would send to ethan couch and also the families he hurt? >> well, my sympathies continue

to go to the families he's hurt and for ethan and his mother, you can run, but you're always going to be looking over your shoulder. we're not going to give up. and we do anything we can to hold ethan accountable. >> thank you so much. we'll be right back. now that we've added an adjustable base, my favorite part is to be able to lift your legs up a little bit... ...and it feels like i'm just cradled. at mattress firm get zero percent apr financing. and there you have it. visit mattress firm, america's number one tempur-pedic retailer today. [ male announcer ] pain not sitting too well? burning to feel better? itching for relief? preparation h offers the most maximum strength solutions for all hemorrhoid symptoms. from the brand doctors recommend most. preparation h. don't stand for hemorrhoids.

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