good evening. i'm jim sciutto in for anderson. we begin with breaking news. the storm system that has already claimed dozens of lives have threatened to put a big swath in the country by new year's. 18 million are in a difficult situation. 16 counties are facing severe flooding. that has broken one 25-year-old record. governor jay nixon said this earlier today. >> you are talking about almost s 10 more vertical feet of moving water. the power we're talking about as

well as the volume is extremely significant. we have a lot more water coming. we try to stay out in front of it as best we can. today is tuesday. we're looking at thursday night for friday morning for that crest. >> ten vertical feet of moving water. s the governor has activated the national guard. activations have been underway all day long. the floods have already claimed at least 13 lives in missouri alone. we'll have much more ahead on the deadly flooding in missouri and across the midwest. first, the feud that's heating up between donald trump an the publisher of "the new hampshire union leader." at this time last night at a rally, mr. trump was slamming joe mcquaid and his newspaper. in typical trump fashion, he didn't mince words. >> so this guy, his name is joe mcquaid -- he is a lowlife. i'm telling you. i watched this guy.

honestly, he is a loser. you have a very dishonest newspaper and a failing newspaper. it is going down the tubers. >> mr. trump served up those gems hours after mr. mcquaid wrote this in an editorial. he reminds us have the grown-up bully biff in back to the future movie series. on february 9th, we trust new hampshire republicans will send biff trump somewhere, anywhere but on the road to the most important elective office in the united states at a most crucial time for this nation. mr. trump has been hurling new attacks. his newspaper has endorsed chris christie. mr. trump has had a lot to say about that as well. tonight, we are going to give mr. mcquaid the floor. he joins me now. thanks for taking the time. >> hey, jim, how are you? >> donald trump certainly had a lot to say about you last night at his rally. let's go through the list

briefly. he called you a lowlife, a sleeze bag, useless. what's your response to everything he said about you? >> well, it is not at all surprising. i'm surprised that it comes this late. i thought that after we endorsed another candidate, we would join the long list of losers in the trump lexicon. i think we got under his skin with the editorial yesterday, which ran on the front page, which is where we go when we want to make a point. >> it is an important endorsement leading up to the new ham shire primary. back in august u say that trump actually sent you a letter asking for your endorsement the day after he didn't participate in the new hampshire voter's first forum. i want to read part of that what letter says. i have it mere. >> i got great credit for not coming. people called it insight and vision. i hope this, along with many of

my other correct decisions, will lead you, a man i have great respect for and the union leader, to endorse me at the appropriate time. clearly, he had much kinder words for you a few months ago. trump now tweeting about this letter after we asked him campaign for comment. about it, this is what he said, quote, in this tweet. shows how dumb joe mcquaid of the dying "union leader" is to put out the letter i wrote saying why i didn't do his failed debate. your response to that? >> i hadn't caught up with his latest twitter feed. it shows how dumb i am. he said in his crazy stuff last night and yesterday afternoon to this tv station that the reason we lashed out at him editorially, was because he wouldn't do our forum.

yet, the day after the forum in which he says it was a lousy forum and he was brilliant for not doing it. he was still asking for my endorsement and calling me a man for whom he has great respect. we have many other quotes in which the newspaper, "the union leader," is terrific and i'm terrific. i'm mildly surprised at the number of balled-face lies he committed yesterday with trying to flame us with his trump tower of inferno. >> as we know, we have just quoted them here. trump used very tough words, familiar words to describe you. i want to get to how you described him in your editorial. crude, a blow hard with no clear political philosophy and no deeper understanding of the important and serious role of president of the united states than one of the goons he lets rough up protesters in his

crowd. do you see an argument there that he is responding to you with similar language you used to describe him? >> oh, absolutely. the only clear difference is that i was telling the truth about trump. trump has been lying about the union leader and yours truly and the reason that i said he was a crude blow hart and then cited several examples of it, carly fiorina, a face you don't want in the white house and john mccain, not a true war hero. somebody has to call a spade a spade. this guy is not going to be an emperor and he ain't got no clothes whatsoever. i was happy to do that in simple, direct english.

>> let's talk about the numbers as we approach the new hampshire primary. it has certainly surprised a lot of pundits that his support is maintained, keeps growing. you said that you trust that new hampshire voters will not vote for him. the polls still show him polling the highest. what do you think will change between now and february 9th? >> well i think -- on february 9th, the voters of new hampshire are going to show that the polls are incorrect. and the news media, the networks, yours included have elevated these national polls to way more important than they should have been and should be. the fact of the national networks deciding to limit the stage of republicans to now six is going to be the next one. but even eight or seven back last summer is why we had our voters first forum.

because credible candidates don't get a chance to be heard in the states which are going to do the voting because the national networks won't let them on primetime. so, of course, you are going to get certain bubbles for certain candidates. the national poll is going to show trump ahead, because he has got the name recognition. he is a tv brand. he is, in part, a creature of the national television networks. >> joe mcquaid, i want to thank you for taking the time tonight and giving us your side of this argument that seems to still have a life of its own. we appreciate it. >> well, you're very welcome, jim. mr. trump is also ramping up his attacks on hillary and bill clinton. he claims mrs. clinton has made her husband's past infidelities fair game for criticism after accusing trump of being sexist. just a short time ago on his campaign plane, he was asked if that means his own personal

indiscretions are fair game. here's his answer. >> yes, they would be and frankly, hillary brought up the whole thing with sexist. all i did was reverse it on her. because she has a major problem, it happens to be right in her house. if she wants to do that, we are going to go right after the ex-president and see how it comes out. >> after last night's rally, mr. trump tweeted this, remember, mr. bill clinton was brought in to help hillary against obama in 2008, he was terrible, failed badly and was called a racist. on the "today" show this morning, he said, he himself, wasn't calling him a racist in that tweet. but took another swipe at his treatment of women. >> he was called it by the obama campaign. he was called it loud and clear. that's what they said. i don't believe he is a racist if you want to know the truth.

they called him a racist. it was a miserable campaign. there was certainly a lot of abuse of women. you look at whether it is monica lewinsky or paula jones or many of them. and that certainly will be fair game. certainly if they play the women's card with respect to me, that will be fair game. >> a lot to discuss certainly. joining me jeffrey lord and tara setmyer. jeff, i'd like to speak with you. trump continuing to make the argument that bill clinton, his infidelities is fair game. bringing up paula jones, monica lewinsky, is that fair game? >> the problem here is that hillary clinton is that juanita

broderick is out there. she has accused hipt hillary cl of threatening her to be quiet and that she was an enabler and threatened her. so, sure, it is absolutely relevant. if they are going to go down this path, you have a whole bunch of women saying hillary clinton played aid role and not a good one. >> to be clear, i want to be sure of what you are accusing hillary clinton with. you are accusing her of helping to cover up a sexual assault. >> i am not accusing her. juanita broderick is accusing her of this, in print and on the radio. absolutely. i have the transcripts. >> we are aware of that story. kelly ann, i want to ask you, trump has made his shire of questionable comments about

women through the years. so is he treading on thin ice here by calling bill clinton the sexist, perhaps, opening himself up to credit sum of his own comments? >> he has already been criticized for those comments. he was criticized in august. it was mentioned in a live first debate in cleveland on august 6th. let's back up and say why mr. trump said what he said. it's because hillary clinton called him a sexist. just as he has done with the republican candidates it seems he attacks after he has been attacked. i believe if mrs. clinton is going to run a gender-based campaign subtly saying to all the republican candidates i dare you to speak to me a certain way or use a certain word about me. and the subtle reminder that we're voting -- we need to elect the first female president, if she is going to play the gender card, the gender card may be played against her.

that's what this is about. secretary clinton, herself, in a town hall meeting in new hampshire, this fall, said, all sexual assault victims have a right to be believed and a right to be heard. and she was promptly asked by someone in the town hall meeting would those sexual assault victims include what neat that broderick and kathleen willie? i think her husband's casual relationship with an intern is less relevant to most of the electorate than hillary clinton's casual relationship with the truth. her lack of trust worthiness is what is dogging her in some of these polls. >> the tweet from donald trump that said that bill clinton was called a racist? when asked if he himself thought clinton was a racist, he said he didn't believe that he was, but he was called a racist by others. this related to his comments

before the south carolina primary. if he is going to put something like that out there, does he need to own it and not tiptoe around it? that applies to the racist comments and other accusations here of abuse as opposed to just sexist comments. abuse by the former president. >> listen. does who need to own it? does trump need to own the implication of his tweet? trump doesn't own up to anything. he says what he wants to say, because he has absolutely nothing to lose. that's what makes him such a rogue candidate. in politics, most candidates are very cautious. and they have a limit to how far they'll go because there's usually a consequence for it. for donald trump, let's defy the laws of political gravity. hillary clinton has everything to lose. she has everything on the line here. she's waited her whole life for this one moment. it was right there in her hands in 2008. now's her big chance. she knows her candidacy is flawed. there's lack of enthusiasm. that's why she is reeling out

bill clinton. he is powerful. for donald trump to do this, it is par for the course. so, did you beat your wife? it's like, what? so, the famous axiom. you just wanted to put it out there. trump is a master at this, master manipulator of the messaging. and what he's done is he has taken over the entire news cycle again with this. he knows exactly what he is doing. hillary clinton is not controlling the message, donald trump is. that's exactly what he wants to do. >> jeffrey, let's get at what donald trump is accusing hillary clinton of on playing the feminist card, playing the sexist card. >> right. right. >> responding to a comment is not the same as running a gender-based campaign. let's be fair here. donald trump says a lot of things that might open him up to playing, whether it is the ethnicity card or the race card or the muslim card. so to respond to an attack or

make a comment doesn't mean that the campaign is defined by that particular cause. is it? is that a fair accusation to level at the clinton campaign? >> in her case, she has. on numerous occasions, she says, don't you think it is time for a woman president? >> that's not the same as -- >> in 1966, when john f. kennedy was running for president, he said, i am not the catholic candidate running for president but the democratic party's candidate who happens to be a catholic. if hillary clinton is nominated, she will be the democratic party's candidate that happens also to be a woman. she is not running as the woman's candidate except that she is. she is not going to be that. she is playing that card. this has opened a whole set of can of worms for her in doing so. >> with every opportunity she has to remind us she is a woman. she talks about the first woman this and this and that.

and the ridiculousness she sets out there to pander to latinos and the grandmother thing. >> donald trump talks about how much money he hasse -- >> donald trump doesn't play the money card. >> i'm not sure about that. >> he's not. >> trump has done something else smart here. i don't know if it has been missed. he is pivoting to a general election. the fact that he is taking hillary clinton on will animate the base, one, and two, it suggests to me he thinks he is going to win the republican nomination. he is showing and now all these polls are showing that the clinton/trump race is a little bit tighter than some people may have hoped or thought. he's pivoting. he is also paying hillary back for suggesting in the democratic debate that he is in the isis recruiting videos, a comment that many democrats immediately asked secretary clinton to recant. >> we have to leave it there, i appreciate it. but great to have you on. >> thank you. happy new year. >> happy new year to all of you.

just ahead, an international manhunt ends in mexico. the man, actually a teen. 18-year-old ethan couch, the so-called affluenza taken had dyed his hair and his beard and left town with his mother. we're going to hear more about the going away party that the threw before they skipped town. i asked my dentist if an electric toothbrush was going to clean better than a manual? he said sure. but don't get just any one. get one inspired by dentists. with a round brush head. go pro with oral-b.

oral-b's rounded brush head cups your teeth to break up plaque and rotates to sweep it away. and oral-b delivers a clinically proven superior clean versus sonicare diamondclean. my mouth feels super clean. oral-b know you're getting a superior clean. i'm never going back to a manual brush.

the jig is up for teenage fugitive ethan couch and his mother. they were detained today in mexico. here is what the texas teen looked like when authorities found the two hiding in an apartment near puerto vallarta.

his darkened hair and with a beard apparently to help disguise himself. in 2013, when he killed four people while driving drunk, he was blonde and clean-shaven, 16 years old. he got off with a light sentence, no prison, rehab and probation, after his lawyers argued his client was too rich and too spoiled to know right from wrong. it sparked a lot of outrage. after this video recently surfaced apparently showing couch at a beer pong party. he vanished. his probation officer couldn't reach him. an arrest warrant was issued two weeks ago for allegedly violating his probation. his mother, tonya couch, also facing charges now. the prosecutors office said today they will be deported to the u.s. it is not clear exactly when that will happen. authorities said today they have evidence that mother and son carefully planned their disappearance. joining me now, sheriff d. anderson of tarrant county texas and cnn legal analyst, mark geragos. sheriff, if i can begin with you, what information are you able to give us on where ethan couch and his mother are being held and when you expect them to be brought back here to the u.s.

to face charges? >> they are still in the custody of the mexican authorities in mexico. we expect within the next 24-48 hours for them to be brought back to the united states. obviously we won't publicize or talk publicly about when that occurs for security reasons. but i expect them to have them back in tarrant county very soon, locked up in a facility. >> looking at this, it looks like something that they both skillfully planned. they even had a going-away party before they left which would have seemed to have given authorities an opportunity for people to warn they were going. is that what you believe now? they took meticulous plans to leave the country possible for good? >> i do believe that. i don't know for good. i certainly think they planned to run and run a long way and for a long time. i said that when he first disappeared. he had a big head start and they certainly had enough money and ability to go a long way and hide. i didn't think we would find them close by. i didn't think we would find

them in this country. sure enough, they did. they went to mexico. they were going to be in it for the long-haul. so i wasn't surprised at all where we found them. that was one of the two places that we were prone to look. mexico and the caribbean were the two things we heard where they might end up. so it was planned, no doubt. they planned it out and left to give them the maximum lead time before we started looking for them. >> so mark geragos, i have to ask you, you've seen a lot of cases before. have you ever seen one like this, the disguises going to mexico and holding a party before? i mean, it just seems unbelievable that they would imagine they could get away free and clean. >> well i'm not so sure i buy all of this. for all i know, mom wants to take him on a vacation to mexico over christmas break. they didn't adequately tell the probation authorities. who knows if they are going away forever?

i mean, you know, literally, we were told that he was facing ten years. today, that has been scaled back that he is facing 120 days. i don't know that anybody decides they are just going to flee, because they are facing 120 days for failure to check in with their probation officer. i know it makes a great story and it makes a great tabloid picture for the youth trying to flee and everything else. at the same time, i expect that we are going to hear some information that counterbalances the story that's being put out there right now. >> sheriff, i want to ask you, if you buy that, do you think this was just a lark? they were going for a vacation based on the preparation you saw and the laws that they appear to have broken here? >> i don't think you go on a vacation and disappear and not tell anybody and cut your hair and dye your hair and hide out in a shabby apartment in a resort town and not be heard from anyone, any family members or anything.

i think it was clear that they snuck across the border. there was no knowledge by anybody where they had gone. i don't believe at all for a second that they were not trying to escape. she was -- his mother was not going to let him do any jail time. it didn't matter if it was 120 days or one day. they fought so hard to keep him out of trouble when he killed four innocent people drinking three times the legal limit of alcohol. there is no doubt in my mind when the video came out that showed him at that party and he was facing possible revocation of his probation, they made a conscious decision to run. they did so. >> mark, let me ask you, once eric couch and his mother are reported back on u.s. soil, what scenarios do you see playing out in this case? can they use, we were just going on vacation defense to avoid time? >> well, i think that's exactly what the mother is going to say. i think the mother is going to argue and i think it is going to come out that she is now

estranged from the father and she is going to say the father was just setting her up and was making it look like she was fleeing or something else. i just don't think -- i mean, the story seems too ludicrous to me. i don't disagree with the sheriff. obviously, he caught a break. this young man caught a break when he was put on juvenile probation and not held in custody for a long period of time. obviously, people are anti this kid. obviously, at least if you believe what you see on the internet, a lot of people think the mother should do some realtime. so i get that. but at the same time, i just think there may be another side to this story. and before we jump on the band wagon and do our public lynching we might want to hold back a little bit and wait and hear what they have to say. >> we will keep following it. coming up next, deadly

flooding in missouri, rivers there near or over record levels. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn because you can't beat zero heartburn! ahhh the sweet taste of victory! prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

to discover the best shows friends together and movies with xfinity's winter watchlist. later on, we'll conspire ♪ ♪ as we dream by the fire ♪ a beautiful sight, we're happy tonight ♪ ♪ watching in a winter watchlist land, ♪ ♪ watching in a winter watchlist land! ♪ xfinity's winter watchlist. watch now with xfinity on demand- your home for the best entertainment this holiday season.

more on tonight's breaking news. record rain bringing deadly flooding. sweeping across missouri. we're seeing evacuations, the national guard deployed and so far, at least 13 lives lost. in union, missouri, water covering cars, homes, restaurants, three major rivers in the area, the mississippi, the missouri, and the merrimack are near or at record flood levels.

so bad that one photographer even managed to catch this house floating away in bourbon, missouri. tom joins us from the atlanta weather center. how much worse is this expected to get in missouri? we were talking earlier. there is still more rain coming. >> there is rain coming in some areas to the south. i think we are going to be in for a good break when it comes to the missouri valley. in fact maybe dry conditions through the weekend. the problem is, because the mississippi river is so high, when you get above 30 feet, it impedes the other rivers that flow into the mississippi river to do their job. so what we're seeing is after days and days of rain, spent a week there, just came down, 5, 6, 7, 8 1/2 inches. record rainfall. now, we are seeing the effects of that. the last time the mississippi river flooded, major flood, was in 1993. the benchmark here. that was in the spring when they had major snow melt and major spring rains. everything in green is under a warning, parts of south central

illinois, across the missouri valley in the ozarks. we are looking at the arkansas river having problems. moderate flooding. let's break down st. louis and give you an idea. you may want to take this map full. it explains everything. the mississippi river meets, well, the missouri river right in st. louis. in between the mississippi and the missouri is west alton. this is where we first had problems. it is a flood-prone area. one of the levees, the north county levee was not breached but we had overtopping. which is the number one cause for levees to give way and break because of the force and the weight of the water. that is a concern. along the missouri river that flows into the mississippi, we have problems from st. charles out towards areas of jefferson city and herman. but the i-70 was shut down over the weekend. that is a major artery. the problems are going to be from st. louis and mainly southward. 1993, these are the records. we are going to come close. we're looking at within five and a half feet in st. louis.

second highest levels. the merrimack river is surpassing all records that goes back to '82. once that moves into the mississippi, jim, we are talking all-time historic levels on the mississippi southward. towns like chester, getting down to cape girardeau on the boot hill. in the eastern u.s., over 443 weather warnings for flooding on rivers occurring right now. >> a lot of populated areas along those rivers. thanks very much. as you just heard, union missouri has been particularly hard hit with businesses, roads, and homes under water. much of the town flooded. we're going to go to the mayor, mike livengood. thank you. we have been showing video of your town. the water from this afternoon looking really incredibly high. what's the situation there right now? and are people able to get out of their homes to safety? >> people have been evacuated. we did crest here.

we are on this river that feeds into the merrimack. we have hit a crest, which is a good thing. it's starting to drop on us. we made it to 34.31, which is roughly not quite a foot over our previous record. so it was a record flood here in our community. as you've seen on your videos, you can see it impacted about 25 homes, some of them very severe. the people did get out. some stayed to the last minute and were evacuated. not too many. most people were able to -- we gave them enough time and told them we felt it was going to rise above what they had projected and it did. >> glad to hear the waters have crested. do people around there -- this is always a key question here. do they have flood insurance? i am curious what the cleanup process is going to be like. a lot of those homes severely damaged. they look like a loss. >> yes. the majority of the homes i would have to say probably don't have flood insurance.

i don't understand all the actual rules and how flood insurance operates. if you know you are in a 100 floodplain your option is to buy flood insurance. i am sure there are several that do not have home insurance. hopefully if fema steps in they will be able to help them some too. >> major mike livengood, we will keep following the story. we appreciate you coming on tonight. the president and his family are on vacation in hawaii. the secret service, however, is not. we'll tell you what happened when this man and this drone got too close to the presidential motorcade. looking for 24/7 digestive support? try align for a non-stop, sweet-treat-goodness hold-onto-your-tiara, kind-of-day. live 24/7 with 24/7 digestive support. try align, the undisputed #1 ge recommended probiotic.

checking out the listing on zillyeah, i like it. this place has a great backyard. i can't believe we're finally doing this. all of this... stacey, benjamin... this is daniel.

you're not just looking for a house. you're looking for a place for your life to happen. zillow.

welcome back. a lot more happening tonight. randi kaye has a 360 bulletin. >> police in belgium have arrested two people suspected of plotting to attack new year's celebrations as well as police and military facilities. they are a member of a biker gang. the kamikaze riders. it appears to be inspired but not directed by isis. in chicago, police officers jason van dyke pleaded not guilty to six counts of murder in the shooting of laquan mcdonald. the killing caught on a police

dashboard camera sparked protests and calls for the mayor to resign. >> officials in sonoma, county, are wondering why a female elephant seal left the ocean and tried to cross the state highway. they got her back into the water, not easily. they think she is about 900 pounds. she is determined and keeps trying to get back across that road. i know there is a joke in here somewhere but i am a bit worried about that seal. >> i am not going to take a stab at it. randy kaye, thanks very much. president obama got a unwelcome visitor yesterday as he finishes up his family vacation in hawaii. it was a drone. it got a little too close to the president's motorcade. secret service had a few words with the man operating it. the man said he had no idea the president was in the area and no charges were filed. from drones in hawaii to gyrocopters, it has been an eventful year. this is where tom foreman picks up with this sneak preview of

the year in politics. the least effective way to get yourself heard in washington because you might just be shot down. flying a gyrocopter, most effective way to get heard, "black lives matter." >> hands up don't shoot. >> they confronted politicians on both sides of the aisle scoring headlines every time. worst job of convincing voters they are listening to anyone, the u.s. congress. >> i think congress is darth vader. i don't think there is anything congress can do to make itself more likeable, whether it is democratic congress or republican congress, it's just one of those words that americans seem to think is fingernails on a chalk board right now. >> even the speaker of the u.s. house stepped down. ♪ zipity-do-dah

>> john boehner was so happy about leaving that job. he was literally singing as he walked up to the podium. ♪ >> at the white house, president obama worked hard on a nuclear arms agreement with iran and a new trade deal in the pacific. the supreme court rejected yet another challenge to his health care reform plan and diplomatic relations with cuba were renewed. >> it has been a brilliant year for barack obama. >> on the other hand, roughly half of all americans disapprove of the job he is doing. >> i think obama is probably looking at the calendar saying, oh, i want to get out of here. bad, bad year for obama. >> there is much more on the year in politics, top stories, sports, pop culture and more. tom foreman hosts all the best

all the worst 2015 premiering at the top of the hour right here on cnn. next up, unraveling the enigma of steve jobs, a gripping and controversial new drama is coming to cnn. i have seen it and it is great. i will talk to the director of the controversial film just ahead. "ow..."

"are you okay?" "yeah, i just got charged for my credit monitoring. that's how i know it"s working." "ah. you know you can go on creditkarma.com and check it out there. it's completely free." "really?" "yeah" "oh, that didn't hurt at all."

"yeah, completely painless." "credit karma. give yourself some credit." for my frequent heartburnmorning because you can't beat zero heartburn! ahhh the sweet taste of victory! prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

it's hard to remember a time before the iphone, the ipad. they have all had such an impact on our lives. the man that sold us these devices was to put it mildly, in extremely complex. oscar winning director, alex gibney gives us a look at the legendary salesman and executive. he sat down with me to give me his own view of steve jobs. thanks, alex, so much for joining us. you do such a deep dive on such a complicated character. i wonder when you come out of a project like this, do you end up loving him or hating him? >> neither. i mean, i think i understand him better. i never met him. so it is a peculiar kind of exercise. but i came out admiring many

things about him and being furious about him in many other ways. it's very much a mixed feeling. but i felt oddly closer to him. this dark side that comes across very much in the film not only in his personal relationships with the mother of his daughter but also in his professional relationships, literally driving some people to tears as they recount this. is that an essential part of the attraction to him as a character, as a subject of a documentary? >> i was attracted to him, because he is important. because he means something to us. every time we take out an iphone or an ipad, we think of steve jobs. this goes back to the beginning of the personal computer. that's what attracted me to him. i was always interested in how people wept when he died. then when you learn more about him, you wonder why. you want to understand him. because for somebody who had so much power, and apple was the most valuable, maybe still is,

company in world history. what did he do with that power? >> what was it from his childhood not to get freudian here. but his life experience. you learn so much about him. what did he bring from his childhood that created the man as you came to know him? >> it is an important fact that he was adopted. and i think that affected him deeply. a number of people who talked to me about steve and steve that talks about it in the film, i reflect on both his sense of anger over being left, your parents leave you, and yet, his adopted parents were extremely doting. he was both angry and entitled, which can be a tough combination. >> you said he could sell ice to the eskimos. we know his salesmanship is legendary. you implied that he was more sales than substance. >> i think that is true. i think steve knew he had to surround himself with inventors

and with designers who were of extraordinary quality. he knew them when he saw him. his job really was to sell the products. but i would go beyond selling. with steve, at a certain point, he became the writer, director, producer and actor in a drama whose only goal was to sell these products to people. and frankly served another goal as well which was to make us more comfortable with them, to erase the distance between man and machine. >> you talk about this reality distortion field that he presented, which in a way he needed as opposed to believe that those dreams were achievable. >> well, reality distortion can be a good thing sometimes, because if everybody was consumed with what was possible in the moment, we would never get anywhere. some people have to dream and to believe the impossible is possible. steve jobs is a great example of that. on the other hand, reality distortion, particularly when it

is applied to your own behavior, can be deeply problematic. when you think you are a good guy, when you're acting in a very cruel, arbitrary, and brutal fashion. >> did he think he was a good guy? >> i think he did. >> you talk about this alone together where we are on our devices. we might be in a group but we are not interacting at least face to face with each other. is part of your message here to us, and of course, my iphone is in my pocket now, but is part of the many to us, to the world, to put it down for a time, for a bit? >> he connected us all through these products. they are extensions of ourselves. we connect ourselves that way. but at the same time, steve jobs had a lot of trouble communicating with people unless it was in kind of a transactional way. these devices betray that. they separate us and isolate us even as they bring us together. >> yeah, thanks very much. >> thanks very much. >> steve jobs, the man in the

machine, from oscar-winning director alex gibbney airs at 9:00 p.m. this sunday january 3rd on cnn. a civics lesson that a group of fourth graders will probably never forget as our ridiculist countdown of 2015 continues. i asked my dentist if an electric toothbrush

was going to clean better than a manual? he said sure. but don't get just any one. get one inspired by dentists. with a round brush head. go pro with oral-b. oral-b's rounded brush head cups your teeth to break up plaque and rotates to sweep it away. and oral-b delivers a clinically proven superior clean versus sonicare diamondclean. my mouth feels super clean. oral-b know you're getting a superior clean. i'm never going back to a manual brush.

our 360 holiday tradition continues. we are counting down the top three ridiculists of 2015. tonight at number two, a room of state lawmakers crushed the dreams of a group of fourth graders. a civics lesson they won't forget. >> time now for the ridiculist. some fourth graders tried to get the red tailed hawk designated as the state raptor to see how a bill becomes a law. they took a field trip as the lawmakers debated and voted on their bill. you might think the state representatives quickly passed the bill sending the nine and ten-year-olds back to their school with a sense of accomplishment and a great impression of how our government works. well, you would be wrong. here is just some of the debate

that preceded the vote. and remember, the kids were there watching and listening to it all. >> we already have a state bird. now, do we need a state raptor? isn't that a bird? isn't that an animal? >> so are we going to have flightless birds, waterfowl, pet birds, garden birds, wild birds? how many of these bills do we need to have? >> only one other state has a state raptor. why do we need a state raptor? >> if we keep bringing more of these bills and bills and bills forward, that really, i feel we shouldn't have in front of us, we'll be picking a state hotdog next. >> must we designate one state raptor. does a raptor that is found everywhere in the country symbolize new hampshire? >> they could have just pooped on the bill in front of the kids. it was the most accurate education a group of fourth

graders could receive on how our government works. take a totally innocuous idea, something that is not controversial in the slightist and spend 18 minutes talking about what a waste of time it is while simultaneously nitpicking it details. honestly, the only thing that could have possibly made it worse is if someone injected abortion into the debate. >> it is known for extremely sharp talons of which it grasps its prey. it uses its razor sharp beak to rip its victims to shreds and basically tear it apart limb by limb. the shame about making this a state bird is it would serve as a much better mascot for planned parenthood. >> that was state representative warren grown. the bill was defeated and i'm guessing so were the fourth graders as they returned home to wonder, what just happened and what planned parenthood is and what it has to do with the red tailed hawk.

and that boys, agirls is how a bill does not become a law in real life and on the ridiculist. >> inspiring. the premier of the cnn special, "all the best, all the worst" starts right now. faster than a girocopter, more powerful than pizza wrap and hitting harder than holly >> this year came on with countless villains and heroes in politics, sports, pop culture, music, movies and we'll take them all on with our league of superheroes. actress melissa jones hart, richard quest, model and reality tv show carmen carrera, tituss burge burgess, bethany watson, cnn anchor john berman. from fusion's "no you