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hartne hartnett, and if you believe what the police chief said, he was shot at an intersection ain will be keeping up with all of the details. my colleague wolf blitzer is going to be taking over the helm going to be taking over the helm right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello, i'm wolf blitzer and it is 11:00 p.m. here in washington, and 2:00 p.m. in pyongyang, north e korea, and wherever you are watching from around the world, thank you very much for joining us. >> this is cnn breaking news. we start with the police officer ambushed. these are live pictures coming in right now from philadelphia where we are a awaiting a live news conference from the city's police commissioner. a picture taken as the ambush happened and you can see the shooter and his hands and the pistol to all of the way inside of the squad car. he fired 13 shot, and the officer fired back before calling for help. this is some of the call.
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>> dispatch, i have been shot. i am bleeding heavily -- 6-0 -- >> sir, we have officers en route to you. >> and our jason carroll is in new york and watching the story, and what do we know first of a all about the shooter? >> well, the dispatch awe a audio there, wolf, it is chilling. the police commissioner said it earlier, i don't know how this officer survived. we take a look at the picture that you see up there on the screen, and that is the suspect there, and the man who ambushed the officer, and the officer identified as jesse hartnett, and apparently about 11:40 last night, and officer hartnett was out on the patrol, and this man flagged him down -- >> hold on, jason. hold on for one second, because we can see the police
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commissioner richard ross of philadelphia, the police commissioner of philadelphia, ready for the statement, and answering questions and brief us on what we know. let's listen in. >> i'm joined here by multiple people, the mayor, and the local asac and fbi office and other folks here. as you know last night about 11:40 officer jesse hartnett was on patrol in uniform in a marked vehicle when he was ambushed by a male. this male fired several shots at close range striking hartnett in the left arm three times. despite being seriously injured, hartnett exited his patrol car, and chased the male. he returned fire and able to strike the male who was later apprehended by officer officers. the bravery that that he demonstrated was absolutely remarkable. his will to the live undoubtedly
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saved his life, and we are ever so thankful to god that he is here today, because this could have easily been a police funeral. officer hartnett is presently recovering, and he has very serious injuries that will require multiple surgeries. our thoughts and prayers are with him sh, and his family. the suspect in question is a 30-year-old male from yayden, and he has a philadelphia address as well, and confessed to confessing this cowardly act in the name of islam. according to him, he believed that the police defend laws that are contrary to the teachings of the koran. and now, at this time, if we could post up the video, i just want to show you something on this before the mayor takes the podium and outline what is going on here. this first video is actually not a video, but it is a still shot, and you can see the male in question going towards the
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police officer hartnett, already firing, and second shot, and he is literally inside of that car. and he has got his arm extended and firing at officer hartnett. i'm absolutely amazed that officer hartnett is here with us today. this male fired at least 11 shots from the 9 millimeter at close range, and you can see he is going to run away, and continues the fire even as he flees away. this shot right here is absol e absolutely one that demonstrates his vallor and courage, and he exits the vehicle and goes to shoot the suspect, and is able
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to shoot the suspect. he was apprehended. this weapon was a stolen police firearm, and it was stolen, and it is one of the things that you regret the most when an officer's gun is stolen that it is used against one of your own. fortuna fortunately, again, officer hartnett is here today, and we ask that everybody keep him in your prayers as his injuries are very, very serious. at this time, i want to turn the podium over to the mayor for his comments, and then subsequent to that, if you have any particular comments from captain clark from the homicide unit. >> good afternoon. our main concern at the moment today is the well-being and the health and the recovery and rehabilitation of officer hartnett. obviously, the bravery that he displayed and he and his family
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will get everything they need from the police department and the city in an effort to recover and to be whole again. i want to compliment the homicide division and the police department for their tremendous work and ongoing everyday tremendous work, but especially in this case to bring this case to fruition and i think that it is very important that we understand how hard they work and the circumstances they work under, and also how our officers every single day are willing to do what officer hartnett has done to put themselves between us and the bad guys. so that is the first par. the second part is that in no way, shape or form does anyone in the room believe that islam or the teaching of islam has anything to do with the scene up on the screen. it is abhorrent, and it does not represent the religion in any shape or form or any of the teachings, and this is a criminal with a stolen gun who tried to kill one of our officers, and it has nothing to
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do with being a muslim or following the islamic faith. i want the to turn it over to the commissioner for any questions that he has. >> i imagine that you have a lot of questions, and what i cannot answer, the captain are will answer or perhaps somebody behind me. so we will open it up. >> what specifically did this man said to the fact of what he had done and why he had done it? >> captain? >> we had the suspect upstairs and the homicide unit did not have anything -- did talk to him immediately, and he didn't have much to say, and then he said that he follows the religious state of allah, and he was called upon to do this. >> and what specifically did he say? >> he just kept on echoing those sentiments, and wouldn't say anything beyond that. >> and captain, the area, there
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is word that he traveled to cairo several years ago, and what about a possible terrorist connection? >> i can't comment on, that and the only thing that i can tell you is that the fbi in conjunction with the detectives and the homeland security are executing search warrants in his property and upper darby and also one in southwest philadelphia not far from where the shooting took place at, and we will go in and see what we find, but right now, we don't have anything as of yet. >> and why did they -- >> why is? [ inaudible ] >> well, the totality of the circumstance. i mean, you had an attempted assassination on the police officer, and you had an individual saying that he did it because of the religious beliefs and because of that, and what is going on around the country, and everybody came forward very, very forward to find out the answers behind a lot of of the questions that i am sure that you have. >> vernon, let me comment on one
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thing. i need to make something clear. in any incident like this, the fbi works very closely with us anyway. i mean, i got a call this morning before we knew this information from the s.a.c. just offering the assistance as they always do, and i want to be clear about that, okay. >> do you know anything about the -- >> well, as the captain indicated one thing that we hope to glean from the search warrants and the investigation of the federal officers and the partnerships that we have, is to determine if any of those things exist. we will try to find out, and we honestly don't know at this point, and we are being as forthright as we can be about what we know, and you will know exactly what we know at this point. >> and it is amazing that he
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survived this, and where did he get hit in the arm or how many strikes did he take? is this the correct individual that we are tracking, it appears he has an extensive history of terroristic threats. is that part tof the -- prior t the february 1985. >> well, to the first question. three gunshot wound s s to the t arm. and absolutely amazing that is all he sustained. i cannot explain how he escaped that, and it is nothing short of miraculous, and we are thankful for that. and as far as the second question, a lot of it will be determined from the investigation, and we simply do not know a lot of this, and they just got the statement this morning, and so it stands to reason that there is more known than unknown, and as we get it, we will make every attempt to know what people know what is going on. >> and would you say that --
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>> the police aofficer is 33. >> but he did have a fairly extensive criminal record? >> he has a criminal record, and the extensive part is relative to what we see day-to-day. >> and i thought that i saw that he was set to be sentenced on a case out of the middle borough monday can, and do you anything about that at this time? >> we don't know about that. >> and can you tell us ho he obtained this gun? >> we don't know how he obtained it, i have no idea, and it was stolen, and he did not talk about that. >> and was it a police officer gun? >> yes, it was a theft of a police officer's gun, and reported as was required and sometimes things happen, and someone was disciplined for that, and honestly as is our protocol. >> from the home? >> from his home. >> commish ne, what about the protections of the officer s s
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this home? was he wearing a bulletproof vest in the car or any other elements of protection from an assault like this? >> well, one, he had the grace of god, first and foremost. because i cannot explain it based on my beliefs in any other way, but he had a will to live which i mentioned with which is equally big. but he had on the vest. but under those circumstances, man, i can't imagine that almost anything that you could have could protect you. that is chilling. absolutely chill iing when you watch that. and if that doesn't just make the hairs on your neck raids when you see that, it is scary. that is all i can say. >> is there any indication that you have any links to anybody else in the attack? >> no, we don't have that indication right now. i think that he was savvy enough to stop just short of implicating himself with a conspiracy of anything, and even if one exists, but we don't know
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anything right now. the detectives in question did a remarkable job to get even that from him, and she is not a stupid individual, but an extremely violent one obviously by the action, and we will have to see where the investigation takes us. >> do you know anything about the mental history? >> well, that is one of the first thoughts, and that is where you go there when you see something so barbaric, and what is wrong with him, and i don't want to lay the foundation for excuses later in court, but you do have thoughts like that, but we have not determined it. >> and just so we are very clear about, this and this is of course what of course is what everybody is talking about, you have no knowledge if he was part of a larger organization or radicalized, but he is simply saying that he is doing this under the act of allah and the islamic state, and you don't know whether he is religiously radicalized or a guy who in his own mind said, i will do this on
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behalf of that. >> and that is part of the savviness, if you will, stopping short of implicating anybody else, and i caution you to know that i don't know if there is or isn isn't, and he seemed to know how the navigate just enough, and so i don't know whether that means that it is because he knows not to do that or he was just lucky. i don't know. >> was it premeditated? >> well, it looked like it that he was targeting police, and not just a motorist driving down the street, and my god, the way he has got his arm inside of that vehicle, and he knew what he was doing, and he was trying to assassinate this police officer. >> and what is the condition of the suspect right fou? >> well, he is being released, so we had him in our custody, so he is okay for now. >> and what about the audio of the dispatcher and that is
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terrifying listening to officer. and was he holding the button down while he was chasing this guy down or roll down the window or suspect anything would happen before the man started to shoot, and then what was the condition by the end of the audio, he sounds like weak and in trouble. what is the condition -- >> okay. unfortunately, i am only going to be able to answer the last question, because the rest of it is mere speculation on my part. and i don't know how he was keying the mike or anything like that. and you can clearly see the left arm is immobilized. at some point, he is courageously firing back, and i don't know how he did it or escaped it, period with regard to his condition at the time, he had to be very weak, because he lost a significant amount of bloodt that scene. we all know what happens when that occurs. so, again, the whole culmination of thing, and everything
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involved in this is just both confounding and astonishing that he was able to escape it like this, and i can't say enough for his bravery and in how he conducted himself. i really, really can't. and he really just demonstrated, i mean, a paragon of excellence when it comes to what it means to be both a police officer and in terms of being a warrior and everything else when he had to be. and incidentally -- >> how many years on the force? >> five years. and he was a lateral from another department, and he, i just had a discussion with a vice president of the f.o.p., and they says that in addition to the acts of bravery are demonstrated here, that he was a compassionate police officer in that even an individual that he arrested not long ago for narcotics, he stopped and got food for that individual's son, the very person that he arrested. >> can you clarify that he did it in the name of islam or
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pledge of allegiance to the islamic state. >> well, he said a lot of thing, and i mean, for us, he clearly gave us some motive. and so a lot of the things that we get, we will try to connect via the evidence that we will hopefully obtain. and he did not say a lot beyond that and it is not laying it out chapter and verse for u and it is like, okay, he is leaving a trail for us, and is it going to be leading anywhere for us, and so i don't have an absolute about it. and the things that i told you about, and the captain expounded on is all we have for you. >> and now, can you tell us how he got to that corner owhy he was there? >> very evasive about it. the detective asked that question. again either smart as a fox or lucky and avoided all of that, and i in they in some regards there was a method to the madness and whether he knows that or not, but it certainly came off that way, and so i don't know any of those answers
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unfortunate unfortunately. >> and in searching the residence of the scene, is that owned by him? >> i don't know who owns the homes, but i will search the residences where he has lived or laid his head at various times. >> and what about the firearm being stolen and then used, and is this something that common that happens? >> well, it is not common, but police officers are citizens as well, and sometimes things happen, and it is unfortunate, and again, in this case, man, you talk about a heavy burden on your conscious, and irrespective of how culpable you may or may not have been, it is your firearm, and that is the bottom li line. >> and this suspect shot the suspect, and we saw him getting away, but how was he able to get him. >> he was able to strike him in some part of the buttocks, and o other officers responded and caught him a roughly block away. vern, a question?
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>> when he flagged the officer down the or, or just out of nowhere? >> he just came out of nowhere and started to fire on him, and he came out of nowhere and really, and literally traversing towards that patrol car. i don't even know when hartnett first noticed him. but we know that, you can see him from across the street, and he had already started firing, and so it was no attempt or call to that regard, but he started to fire with one aim, and one aim only, to kill him. >> where was the car? >> the car was moving. >> and can you tell us if there was anybody else out there with officer hartnett? >> well, i didn't see anybody else in the individuvideo, and else can correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't recall seeing that. >> and can you -- >> that is mou the philly pd operates. some of them with a myriad of
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assignments some of them are two-person, and obviously, when these things happen, we make adjustments, but it is one way that we patrol. >> and would you change that -- >> well, we changed it last night, whenever you have an incident like this, all of the fears are heighten and rightfully so, and we want to allay the concerns of the men and women who wear this uniform as much as you can with the situation. i mean, because this is a dangerous job, and i think that this video this incident c captures the essence of that, and anybody who does not understand what men and women across this country deal with and are faced with and you never know what that next encounter will be. >> and in looking at the video itself -- >> well, it is too sensation al and so in respect to him and his family and to be honest with you, there is a sentiment of not, not giving this person more credence than they deserve. i'm a little concerned about what some other people may see when they watch this video.
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i think that these pictures capture the essence of what it s is, and you are not missing anything, because it is just motion. you are really seeing the incident in the entirety, and the only difference is that those figures are moving. that is the only difference, so you are not missing anything other than sensationalizing it, and it is not necessary at this point. >> any additional surveillance today of individuals or organizations associated with any kind of terrorist threat? >> i don't know. obviously, we work in conjunction with the federal awe tho -- authorities, and so they are going to be aware of the there is anything to be uncovered, i have every faith in the fbi that if there is something to find out, they will find it out. >> and now, in circumspect, it
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sound s sounds as if that you heavily doubt or doubt to some degree the nexus to terrorism other than the individual saying it. >> well, i would qualify that by saying that i just don't know. i am just hesitant to jump to conclusions one way or another, and we have to base it on what we have. and we are going to also see where the inis vestigation leads us, and that is what is important, and so, again, we have indicated that we have yet to complete is search warrants, and we will, and in conjunction with the fbi's investigation, we will uncover something else if it is even there and we just don't know a lot of the answers at this time. >> and so, he is wearing muslim clothing, is that correct? >> i don't know if it is or not. and some folks say it may have been, but i don't want to jump out there on that limb, and we have established what he believes, and that is all i know. >> and so now, we will is send this still shot out to you, and so you can see it and the officer's photo and the
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suspect's photo, and we can go are through the slides one more time for those of you who need that shot. all right. so there you can see a very, very dramatic moment and awful moment last night, a 30-year-old suspect goes up to a police vehicle and there is an officer in the car in the driver's seat, and the police officer is jesse hartnett, 33 years old, and the 30-year-old suspect puts the revolver, and the pistol right inside and shoots at a least 11 times and three wounds to the left arm of the police aofficer. as the suspect is escaping, remarkably that police officer gets out of the vehicle and chases and fires and other police officers apprehend the 30-year-old suspect. and we have heard the police commi commissioner in philadelphia richard ross later told the poli police, the suspect, that he was doing it in the name of islam, and the then police homicide
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captain james clark went one step further, and listen to this. >> right away, he didn't have anything to say, and then he said that he pledges the allegiance to the islamic state, and he follows allah and that is the reason that he was called upon the to do that. >> and pledges allegiance to the islamic state, and follows allah, and islamic state is another name for isis or isil, and jason carroll is with us covering this story, and also with us is former fbi assistant director tom fuentes, and i understand that the new york city police acting very quickly in respect the isis assault, and what happened in paris yesterday, there was apparently isis-related as well, and the new york nypd issuing a
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statement to all of of the police officer, and give us a gist of what is being told to them. >> yes, in is hitting close to the nypd, and internal memo to the officer, and let me read part of it. members of the service are reminded that isil has called for the supporters and sympathizers in the united states to carry out attacks, specifically mentioning law enforcement, military and intelligence personnel as priority targets. basically asking officers out in the streets to use the extra vigilance and when i say hitting close to home, you remember, wolf n 2014, two officers on patrol in brooklyn were ambushed by a suspect and killed. that suspect later killing himself, and the motive in that particular situation was different, but two officers still lost their lives, and based on what has happened in philadelphia this is again, and you heard the police commissioner richard ross
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menti mentioning it, it is a reminder of how dangerous the job is, and how the officers seem to be targets more than ever regardless of what the motive may be. >> and standby for a moment, and tom the fuentes is with us, and you listened very closely to the news kconference with the polic commissioner and what the mayor had to say and the police homicide captain. is there a new effort under way right now based on these incidents for isis sympathizers to go after law enforcement or u.s. military personnel? >> well, wolf, it is the continuing effort. it has been continuing for more than a year to put this message out the kill the law enforcement or the military, but one advantage for them in killing law enforcement is that they will come to you. you don't have to go to the stadium or the train station or the bus station, and you wait for a police car to come rolling by and you flag him down, and the officer will lower the window or get out of the car to see what he can do to help you, and you are a sitting duck. so that is the one advantage to them the to taking out police officers is the officers are always on patrol, and that i
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will come to you. >> and the 33-year-old police officer jesse hartnett accord ing to the police commissioner is recovering now, and he is alive. he is going to be facing multiple surgeries and a long road ahead. and we learned, tom, that the weapon was a stolen from a police officer back in 2013. that raises more alarm bells. >> well, it does, but we don't know the circumstances yet of how that theft happened, and how it got into his hands, and as the commissioner mentioned they don't know. they don't know how many hands it passed through to end up in the shooter's hand, but it sounds like, and looked like in the video that the officer raised the left arm and sustained all of the shotst a close range to possibly keep the shots from going into the head to be fatal, and he sacrificed the left arm to do that, but he was able to survive the attack, and radio for assistance and get out of the car and give pursuit. and in the modern police radios when you key it, the dispatcher will see it is you in that radio
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in that e location, and so even if you get a short message for help, they will know where to send the help to. >> and the stolen police firearm is always alarming. and with the unique perspective of what happened in paris and this is following the mas is a ker in san bernardino and paris in november, and there a new intensified effort by isis to go out there to convince the so-called sympathizers if you can't fight in iraq and syria, do whatever you k and kill the so-called infidels wherever you are. >> yeah, wolf. that is the con ssistent messag for at least a year. and what you are going to be start t starting to see is that individuals like this coming out of the woodwork so to speak to conduct this kind of the what is called the spontaneous ambush, and not to be confused with what is called the entrapment ambush where an officer is lured to a location and then attacked and
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truly by the grace of god, and you notice that from the studies by the international association for the chiefs of police, 70% of survival rate if you are return fire, and 70% if you have body armour, and really, it is coming down 50% of the survival rate in both types of ambush attacks. so there is the ambush attack part, and then of course the isis desire to create more of the ambush attacks. >> and the message, the instructions to those who are sympathetic to isis to go out there to kill law enforcement, and where specific areally is that? it is on social media on various web sites. is that right? >> yeah, this is released by mohamed el adnani where he made these statements and religious and military personnel if you can. and also f you are looking at the perception of the police in the u.s., it is going to make them easier to get away with the police as victims as opposed to if you were going up against the
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civilians which maybe don't carry a negative perception in the public at the current time. >> and tom fuentes, when the new york nypd issues a memorandum to all of the new york police a officers saying that the new york police department strongly emphasizes for officers to employ a safety measure at all times, they don't just do this on the basis of the abundance of caution is that they are clearly concerned that what happened in philadelphia and paris is going to be escalating. >> yes, a copycat of doing what this guy did, and they put tout warning, and they do continue to do that on the abundant of caution basis, and remind the officers, because after a certain time, if nothing happens, you can be slightly complacent, and they want to keep them alert. >> i want to go the miguel marquez in philadelphia for us. and you were inside of that press conference, miguel.
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very tense in philadelphia, and very dramatic of 33-year-old officer jesse hartnett facing surgeries, but he is alive. >> absolutely incredible story, wolf, that this officer was driving along, and rolls the n window down as he sees somebody asking him for help or flagging him down, and then the pictures that the philadelphia police department has now released of the suspect walking up to the car, and firing one after another bullet at him. at one point, his arm, his hand is inside of the police officer's car shooting him. he was only hit three times in the arm, and the police now saying that at least 11 shots were fired from that 0.9 millimeter, and the aofficer is gets outt of the car and goes chasing the suspect down the street while keying the radio. and the left arm, because that is the arm that he was hit in is completely immobil there, and he goes to chase the suspect down
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the street, and he hits him once in the buttocks says the police commissioner hee, and then they are able to apprehend him on the way to one of the homes. that suspect who is 30 years old has survived, and she is being questi questioned by police, and good enough to be questioned. at one point, the police say that he was saying nothing and then offered up that i follow l allah and i pledge of allegiance to the islamic state and that is what i did and that is the only thing or some variation of that is what he said to the police. they are conducting searches in his mother's home, and another home, and in a suburb close to philadelphia, and that i want to get to the bottom of whether or not this is a true nexus to terror or somebody who was angry, and had a gun and decided to shoot. the other thing that is interesting a abthis, this is a gun that was stolen from the home of a philadelphia police officer couple of years ago, and
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they don't know how many times it changed hands. it was reported stolen then say police, and very is very frustrating for the police department to have to have this happy to this 33-year-old officer, and the five-year veteran of the police force here, with a gun that was used and own bed by the philadelphia police officer being used by against one of his own police. wolf >> a stolen police firearm, and miguel, thank you. standby, and there is other breaking news that we are following, and this is just coming into cnn right now. the president of mexico, president enrique nieto has said that juan guzman also known as el chapo, the drug kingpin has been arrested a accord ing to the mexican president. two major stories developing right now. and much more happening right after this this quick break. between the omega-3s in fish oil
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joaquin guzman has been captured by the president of mexico just being announced a moment ago. and he has been on the run for weeks and weeks and arguably one of the most if not the most wanted man certainly in north america right now, el chapo. and once again in the hands of the police. and tom fuentes is with us, the former fbi director and cnn analyst, and they apparently got him apparently alive which is surprising at least, but you know more about this than i do. >> well, i am sure they wanted to get him alive, but the interesting thing is that the last time he was recaptured
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after an escape, they said to expedite him to the united states, because there are a number of charges against him and extradition requests are in and pending against him and mexico said, no problem, we will put him in the most secure jail, and he won't escape, and now we will see what happens now. the u.s. is going to be making a strong pitch. and also, u.s. intelligence like last time that helped to lead to the capture, so does mexico owe the united states intelligence and law enforcement community gratitude for helping get him back into custody? >> they found him apparently in mexico. i assume it is a matter of pride though nor the mexican government to say, you know what, he is a mexican and captured in mexico, and we are going to be keeping him in mexico, and we can handle him a third time if you will, and she is not going to be escaping aga again, and we don't have to extradite him to the united states, but why does the u.s. want him as badly as he does? >> because he has committed a
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number of crimes against the united states. >> and in mexico, too. >> but the fact that the u.s. is saying to mexico, you have shown that you can't hold him, and there is too much corruption. >> and they bluntly say that to the mexican government, we don't trust you and you have failed a couple of times now, and hand him over to the united states. and we will put him in a maximum security prison and some place he is not going to be escaping. >> yes, in maximum security, he is not going anywhere, and if he gets life, he is going to die regardless of whatever he gets. and in mexico, this is another time yet that they can't say that 100%, there is no corruption in the country, and no chance that he is going to be having cooperation from the prison officials or others to help him escape yet a third time. so that is the issue that is pending. >> and to remind the viewers that i have notes here, he escaped from prison in july of last year, and slipped through a hole in the shower stall. it is elaborate, and there is
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the video that was pretty elaborate, and he goes into the shower stall, and then all of the sudden, goes down and disappears and goes through a tunnel, and gets out of what was then a maximum security federal prison in mexico, and he has been on the run since july, and he broke out of another maximum security prison in 2001, and hiding reportedly in a laundry cart, and they arrested him after 13 years on the run. he was 13 years, and he has a lot of money from the drug, and i legal drugs, so the fear is that if he is sent to jail in mexico, a third time now with all of that money, and all of the cash, h he is going to be finding a way to escape. >> yes, and one of the specialties has been as the inventor of tunnelling under the u.s. border that essentially, he has the construction personnel and expertise to do another tunnel, and, you know, again, that is the last tunnel was about a mile long out of that prison, and no one in the prison heard any conare vuk shun or noises, and they were constructing it.
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so that is the specialty, and this is the fear that he is going to be doing it again no matter where they put him. >> and el chapo rekcapture and re-arrested by the mexican authorities. i want to bring in rafael romo, and give us some perspective right now, because this is a huge story right now, and mexico here and the united states and all of north and south america right now one of the most wanted men in the world, and now arrested once again, and the pressure is going to be on mexico as tom fuentes says to extradite him to the united states, because there is concern that no matter the maximum prison in mexico, he is going to escape another time. >> yes, definitely, and this is an important point, wolf, because for the last few years, mexico has put emphasis on keeping the criminals in mexico, and having them serve sentences there before extraditing them to the united states, but when el chapo escaped in july 11th, last year, it was highly questioned, but we started to hearing the reports an hour ago, that there was an operation in the mexican
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state of sinaloa, and then we got the tweet from the mexican president, and the tweet says "mission accomplished, we have him, and i would like to inform the mexicans that joachim guzman has been detained." and he also tweeted saying congratulations to the security cabinet for having been able to capture el chapo at nearly six months after he escaped from a maximum security prison in mexico, wolf. >> and he is charged with drug trafficking, and related crimes here in the united states and in texas, arizona, illinois, new york and florida and california who have specific charges against him. what are the prospects that the government, government, and the president will go ahead to extradite him to the united states? >> i the think that there is a lot of pressure to extradite joaquin el chapo guzman sooner
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rather than later. and for people who are not very familiar with el xhap pchapo at point, his fortune was estimated at $11 billio billion and he ma richest people on "forbes" magazine, and he has a vast enterprise that is responsible for shipping drugs to primarily to the united states, and talk about heroin and cocaine and also in recent years to places in europe and as far away as asia. and so capturing him today, it is definitely a huge victory for the mexican government, wolf. >> it is a huge victor, but if you are saying with all of the money that he has, the fear is that he could go ahead through the associates and bribe individuals at any prison in mexico where he may wind up once again, and he could escape. hold the thought, rafael. art roderick is going to be joining us, and a former u.s. marshall, and you are very
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familiar with this case. can the mexicans get the job done and hold him a third time if in fact he is put in what they call the maximum security prison there or should they give up and give it to the united states? >> well, it is a short period of time he is in jail there, and as you recall after the escape, we got a number of extraditions coming out of mexico, and part of it was the package for el chapo to be extradited back to the u.s., so this is a short period of time that he is going be held there, and that he is going to be coming back via aircraft here to the u.s. where he is going to be ending up going, i don't know, because he is wanted in eight or nine different u.s. districts, so it is going to be a question as to where exactly he is going to be. >> but plenty of maximum security prisons here in the united states that would detain him? >> i would say he is going to be go ing, once charged in the hands of the bureau of prisons, he is going to be ending up in florence. >> is that the best one? >> that is the secure max fa is silty for the u.s. >> have you been there? >> i have not been to florence,
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but i was at the previous one down in southern illinois. i actually worked there for a little while in st. louis, and it went from alcatraz to southern illinois to florence. >> and merion. >> and tell us what it is like. if he is going to be going there for the rest of his life, what kind of conditions would he have to endure? >> he is locked up completely by himself 23 hours a day, and he has his own little facility they let him out of the jail, but he is caged by himself. no human contact at all. >> and one hour a day, tom fuentes, he can go out to get fresh air, is that right? >> basically, and that is it. again, it is like a dog pen where he has his own space to go out to get it, but it is not to comi comingle with any other prisoners or any other outside contact. >> and windows in the little ce cell? >> i don't know. i haven't been to that facility, but just knowing what merion,
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illinois, is like, probably not. and john gotti gave a great, and wrote some comments about his time there at florence, and it is pretty horrible. >> hold on for one moment. cnn correspondent martin savidge is with us as well and he was with the mexican police as they were hunting for el chapo, and right now, martin, i know that you have been all over this story for us for a long time. politically speaking, it could be awkward for the mexican government to send him to the united states in effect acknowledging that they can't hold him. >> right. it is a very awkward situation, potentially to be in, because right now the question is going to be extradition and how quickly they get it achieved and some say, wait a minute here, the united states is making him their number one, but he is also number one wanted in mexico, and so those difficulties to be ironed out. the last timee was captured and believing that it is in sinaloa, which is the same state where where he has been captured
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before, he had to be taken to mat sa lawand they had to hold a couple of days before they could transport him, because they were concerned about security breaches that somebody would rescue him, and it going to be interesting to see where he was caught, and how he is transport and presumably back to mexico city. all of this is carried out by the special force, and not so much the national police here, and a lot of the the work searching for him was being conducted by the military. and a special branch of the military, the marines, and that i were specifically chosen not coming from the area where he is believed to have been. because they didn't want any family complications or family members of those searching for him to be kidnapped or they want any way for their investigation to be compromised and no way to be tipped off that he was on the way. they had to move a lot of the times by helicopter, because the terrain there is extremely rugged. it is a very remote area in the sinaloa state. this is all presuming where he
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was caught, but there was activity there earlier today apparently which is the indicationf how it went down, but it is a difficult military operation, and as you say now the difficult part is the political operation that comes with it. >> and politically, it is going to be awkward and the fear is that there is corruption in the police force in mexico in the prisons in mexico. if he is held there, maybe the military has less corruption, but will there is concern with all of the hundreds of millions of dollars that he and the associates have stolen over the years, and there could be a third escape. everyone standby, and we will have more on the breaking news, and also more on what is happening with the breaking news out of philadelphia. a philadelphia police officer ambushed, and the suspect is tell telling police that he did it in the name of the islamic state, and that is according to the police homicide captain and we are learning more about the suspect, and we are going to be showing you what we know right after this.
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we're following multiple breaking news stories here on cnn. mexican police have captured the escaped drug kingpin el chapo. we're following that story. standby. more information. also a breaking story here in the united states. a police officer in philadelphia ambushed by a man who said he did it for the islamic state. e he fired 11 times at the police officer hitting him three times. two men r were arrested in texas on terror-related charges.
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those two were also linked. they spoke with each other about possible travel plans to train for isis and other terror groups in syria. we have a picture of the suspect in philadelphia. the 30-year-old suspect said he shot this police officer. fortunately, the police officer survived. there's the suspect in this case. also a 30-year-old individual who said he did this in the name of islam. the police homicide captain said he pledged allegiance to the islamic state. he did it because he follows allah. jim sciutto is joining us from the pentagon. it looks like there's an up tick in isis-inspired attacks whether in philadelphia, paris, and these two aurrests that we have seen in the united states.
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>> in this shooting in philadelphia as well as these arrests, you see all the ways that isis can potentially extend its reach here on to the u.s. homeland. you have this attacker that looks like a lone wolf attack early in the investigation but pledging allegiance as he shoots this cop. let's look at these two arrests as well. the first is 24. he entered the u.s. in 2009. he is accused of providing material support to terrorism including offering isis training assistance. the complaint does not specify what kind of training and assistance, but a volunteer reaching out from america to isis to offer his help. let's look at the second suspect. he entered the u.s. in 2012. what he did and fought in syria. he claims while he was over there he post ed on social medi that he fought for groups such as islam. came back to the u.s. and lied about it. that of particular concern because it's those veterans of
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fighting on the ground there for those groups that in many ways law enforcement particularly concerned because they come back with skills. . how to handle a weapon. how to operate in a kmom combat environment. you see today the range, the whole range of how isis can inspire people. something that looks like a lone wolf attack in philly. someone goes to fight in the war zone in syria, comes back to the u.s. and someone else who volunteers himself support o to isis, all these ways. very difficult to prevent because they are operating by themselves. although we know there was communication between those two who were dealt with in the criminal complaints. >> that's worrisome that the two individuals were kplooes communicating with each other. jim sciutto, standby. i want to bring back our law
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enforcement analyst tom fe with fuentes. this terror group, the so-called islamic state, as often as there are arrests, others seem to be popping up. what's the attraction? >> yeah, really what you're looking at, first of all, there's a spectrum of individuals that are going to be lured into these groups and the individuals who are going to come back. the vast majority are low hanging fruit. . teens, young males, even females who are attempting to travel. we know that isis is training women, soldiers, children soldiers. so the attraction really to a lot of them is a sense of belonging. a sense of belonging to this supposed caliphate that's going to reclaim the lost glories of the islamic golden age. it's very superficial in their understanding. even by the way in which they use islamic sources. the way in which a guy.
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slaps on a hat and a robe and says i'm doing this for allah and everything is okay. this is really what you're looking at. a very superficial commitment to a sense of belonging and identity. >> tom fuentes, the aftermath of philadelphia, the arrest of this 30-year-old suspect who went and shot this police officer supposedly told police in the name of islam. he pledged allegiance to the islamic state. says he did it because he follows allah. the nypd in new york and i have read this long memorandum to thousands of law enforcement officers in new york city telling them in the aftermath of what happened in philadelphia and the aftermath of what happened yesterday in paris where an individual went into a police station there with a knife and pledged his allegiance to isis as well in philadelphia. the incident there is causing alarm in new york city. the memorandum says members of
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the police in new york are reminded that isis has called for support irs and sympathizers in the united states to carry out attacks. so this is a warning to law enforcement all over the country right now. tighten up your security. >> it kbem pli if is the 900 cases being conducted in 50 states. that you have these individuals they are looking at maub into the thousands who may go to what the fbi called flash to bang. the time they start thinking about being inspired to the time they go. operational and go on street with a weapon and try to kill somebody. it's an extremely dangerous situation because you know where they might strike nx. if it's one guy in philadelphia, they are going to learn more about him, but what if it's just a lone deranged person who got his hands on a stolen gun and committed this act. that's almost impossible to stop if he didn't share his intent with anybody else. .
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>> how worried are law enforcement for copy cats? >> they would be very worried. they always are it's a well pub lis sized murder of a police officer on the street that somebody else may try to do the same thing. the police are so vulnerable because they can come to the individual who is going to kill them if he waves at them and the officer thinks it's an individual asking for assistance, that's what the police do. they assist members of the public. that act can get them killed. >> based on what has happened in philadelphia, the shooting innocent and the pictures are so dramatic it's wise for all law enforcement percent until to wear body armor right now. >> it is, but if somebody comes up to jr. squad and tries to shoot you in the fend and all you can do is fend it off with your left arm, that's a tough situation. police officers are not going to be able to fend off the public. they are out on the street, they are out of the patrol cars
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dealing with the public every minute of the day. >> we'll leave it there, but cnn will surgeonly stay on top of all of these breaking news stories. that's it for me. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." the news continues next on cnn. here we go, a busy afternoon here. you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. as you have been watching, we have two major break. ing stories. the first is this terror attack in philadelphia. we just learned from the police commissioner there that this isis-inspired gunman ambush. ing and shooting an officer 13 times at point-blank range in the name of islam. but first the capture of one of the world's most wanted men. el chapo is now in custody. again. the drug r
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