i'll be back here in one hour. we'll bring you a rare interview with a story-telling legend talking about his craft and his decision to walk off the stage for the final time this year. >> i find all of the things are fundamental in storytelling. it's what people gossip about. it's what we have to talk about. >> you know that voice. garrison keillor. my conversation with him one hour from now. before that smerconish begins right now. i'm michael sher conish with lots to talk about today. bernie sanders finally takes the offensive against hillary clinton by going after her husband's love life. and at donald trump's rally last night in muslim woman was ejected. and with the iowa caucuses just weeks away, new polls have ted cruz solidly in first despite new attempts to cast doubt on his u.s. citizenship.

plus i'll ask gop candidate john kasich about the nightmare of trying to run as a more moderate republican in the era of trump. but first, terror came to my home town of philadelphia this week. today's philadelphia inquirer tells the story on thursday night a police officer was on patrol and ambushed by a man who said he was inspired by isis. while law enforcement is still investigating exactly what that means. what we do know is that this is a remarkable story of grit and heroism. jesse hartnett, a 33-year-old cop who served in the coast guard was on patrol in west philadelphia just before midnight when edward archer wearing muslim garb approached his vehicle weapon drawn and began firing. watch this amazing video in which officer hartnett shot three times at close range, bleeding profusely, nevertheless gets out of his patrol car and

gives chase ultimately shooting and wounding his assailant. the officer's emotional radio call provides further evidence of his bravery. >> shots fired. i'm shot. i'm bleeding heavily. >> all cars stand by. we have an officer shot at 6-0 and spruce. repeating in the 18th district assisting officer 6-0 and spruce. we have an officer down. >> the shooter's mother told police that her son had mental problems and had been recently hearing voices. thus far there have been no confirmed reports of any ties between the shooter and terror groups, but new reports say that the man traveled twice to the middle east. this is the very first week in office for a brand-new philadelphia mayor and police commissioner. the mayor, jim kenney said, quote, in no way, shape or form believe that islam or the teaching of islam have anything to do with what you've seen.

the new commissioner, richard ross, saluted officer hartnett. >> the bravery he demonstrated was absolutely remarkable. his will to live undoubtedly saved his life. >> the same night as the philadelphia shooting, two iraqi men who entered the u.s. as refugees were arrested on terror charges. neither man is charged with planning an attack on the united states. but those arrests have already become political fodder causing presidential candidate ted cruz to call for a, quote, retroactive assessment of refugees already here. cruise is currently leading donald trump in iowa, the nation's first presidential con test. to unravel all of these ramifications, i've invited the perfect person. he worked with three u.s. presidents. he won the 1996 gop new hampshire primary. he coined the phrase "silent majority." and to quote the economist. before donald trump there was pat buchanan.

he joins me now. thank you for being here. >> good to be here. >> thursday night a cop in my home town philadelphia was shot by a guy who said he was acting in the name of islam. for political purposes, does it matter whether he's tied to isis or a one off? >> well, i think the political effect of that, of course, is going to be to strengthen candidates who are perceived as very tough on illegal immigration, very tough, if you will, on immigration from the islamic world without vetting. and so i think it tends to help donald trump. and i would say to some extent mr. cruz who both have been very hardline on the issue. >> interesting that earlier this week, in fact, i'll show you a brief clip, ted cruz commented on two individuals, both refugees from the middle east who were arrested in connection with terror charges. roll that clip. >> one, in california and one in my home town of houston. both were iraqi refugees. both came in through the vetting

programs that president obama tells us are perfectly effective for vetting terrorists. one is charged with providing material support to isis. >> well, i think this, i think that basically trump is tremendously identified with the issue, michael, for the basic reason that no muslims are coming into the country, they're all going to be vetted. that's a statement that's going to have to be qualified, no doubt about it. but it puts trump out front on the issue so that when folks think of something like ta, they think of trump. but i do think they would also think of cruz. but look what happened when those two syrian refugees came through greece and turned up in that paris massacre.

that turned a whole country around, michael. now, these two individuals who have been caught that cruz mentioned have not been apprehended doing some horrible atrocity, but you get people doing those atrocities in this coming year and there's no doubt it will drive the united states strongly to the right the way europe is being driven to the right. >> you like trump because he is the buchanan campaign of '92 or '96 incarnate. it's all about border control, it's about immigration, trade, free trade, and nonintervention. was your timing off or is he just the better -- no disrespect intended -- but is he the better messenger on these things? >> let me say on these issues trump has raised the very issues i raised in the early '90s, '91 and '92. i said these trade deals are going to be terrible. we're going to lose manufacturing jobs, lose factories abroad, the real wages of americans are not going to rise. people are coming across the

border. it's got to be stopped. what we've got now 25 years later is the proof that what we've predicted has come to pass. donald trump and others who are taking up these issues can point out and say, look, here's what happened. even bernie sanders was back there with me on these trade deals and of course he's running now and doing extremely well i think for a fellow on the far left of the democratic party. >> assuming innuendo that you were above your time, is so-called silent majority left to take trump all the way to the white house? >> i think trump is a very interesting candidate in this sense. i think he has cross-party appeal. now, let me give you an example. if i were running this year and i were in trump's shoes, i would go into pennsylvania and ohio and michigan and i would say, you want to know why your factories left this country? because of bill clinton and hillary clinton with nafta and

gatt and the wto. some of the jobs are in china now, some are in mexico, but they're the ones that did it. they're responsible. now, that's the appeal of whom? bernie sanders right now. so this has a cross-party appeal, the issue of free trade is out and, quite frankly, protecting jobs and protecting factories and these issues i think are very much in today. >> when people make comparisons between the campaigns you ran and donald trump today, i mean, do you revel in that or do you say i'm a deep thinker. people can disagree with pat buchanan. trump doesn't from the coherence and the logic behind those viewpoints or am i wrong? >> to a degree, yeah, you are. in this sense, look, i mean, donald trump comes out of a different world than i do. he's a successful businessman up until about six months ago, but i'm elated, first, that he's gotten into this race, raised these issues, shaken things up. he got 25 million people

watching a republican debate, for heaven's sakes in the summer of 2015. look, my time has come and gone, michael. you know, it's a while ago. and we did as well as we could at the time, but there's no doubt he's doing well. and i congratulate him when he's doing well on the issues that i really admire. >> don't sell yourself short. you're tan, you're rested and you're ready. let me ask you one more question about the democratic side of the aisle. >> you can count on me for county supervisor. >> you reference bernie sander, and you know a thing or two about new hampshire. what happens if bernie sanders captures iowa and new hampshire? does it end there or all of a sudden is that race entirely recast? >> i think if he captures iowa and new hampshire, he's got iowa and new hampshire. the democratic party is too much behind hillary clinton. she's got too much money, too much of a base out there, but i will say this. it will be an issue where hillary clinton's going to have

to start addressing these trade deals and inequality and the loss of jobs they produce, and he might be able to pull her to the left. she's pulled a little bit to the left, but i think basically, look, the only one that can take this nomination away from hillary clinton, i think, is a special prosecutor in d.c. >> well, joe dejenova said within the next 60 days she could get a shock on the door. >> i'll believe that when i see it, michael. >> me, too. patrick buchanan, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> what do you think? tweet me @smerconish. i'll look them over and address them later in the program. too painful to be called a gaffe. that's what's being said by ben carson who addressed a fifth grade class. and the political ads are getting nastier and nuttier. do you think this one works? >> i can tell you it's a very personal economic issue.

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last night bernie sanders was pulled into the debate about hillary clinton's husband and his actions at a town hall in toledo, iowa, sanders was asked by an audience member if hillary clinton lacked moral authority to be president based on her husband's affair with an intern when he was president. listen. >> look, hillary clinton is not bill clinton. what bill clinton did i think we can all acknowledge was totally, totally, totally disgraceful and unacceptable. >> just one of many things to talk about with my political panel. bob beckel managed walter mondale's campaign and e.d. hill is a conservative analyst. does that work in a democratic campaign? >> no. and it's amazing to me that he would follow donald trump. i don't know any democrat that's followed donald trump, but bernie has. bernie's numbers have gotten soft in new hampshire.

he has to win new hampshire. >> i don't know that he went looking for it. he was asked by an audience member and i should underscore that distinction. >> i was saying to bob earlier, whether you love or hate bernie sanders, usually whatever he says, you believe is what he truly thinks. >> right. >> i don't think this is his style, going out and bashing people, frankly. but it was brought on him. i don't think that there's anyone republican or democrat that says that the way bill clinton behaved was graceful. but that's old news now. there are a lot bigger issues. >> a week ago here you had this to say to my audience. let's watch. >> i would love to have the clinton campaign. they won't do it. but there's stuff on trump that is almost worse. i wish they'd push it out. they don't want to do it because of propriety. if it were up to me -- and i might do it anyway -- i think trump's got more problems on sexual issues than you possibly could imagine. >> it sounds like you know something, beckel.

>> i do. >> you want to share it here? >> no. if i share it anywhere, i'll share it here, but no. >> what do you have on the donald on this issue? >> look, first of all, your show last week must be watched by a lot of reporters. i got a lot of phone call. one is now staking me out dune in your lobby here. i believe -- and the story's been written that, you know, donald trump was fascinated with princess diana and wanted to date her, as did a lot of rich men around the world. nothing wrong with that except that there is some information that's potentially damaging. that's all i'm going to say about it. >> that's linked to diana or his interest in diana? >> i'm flying to london on wednesday and on thursday i may know more, but the people who have what they have are very protective of diana's legacy. my point to them was this is big time politics in america. and a letter to somebody who has been dead for a long time that could potentially alter the landscape here is something you should think b a letter from

trump to princess diana? >> michael, i told you, i'd say it on this show, but i'm not going to say that now. >> this is more than we knew a week ago. it's between the two of them? >> i would say yes, yeah, that's probably the truth. >> e.d. >> if i'm trump, i'm saying, you want to hit me with women issues? he's dealt with that his whole life. and he's still come out of it with people obviously accepting it and accepting him. now, if you've got something current, i think that that definitely does make a difference and would change people's minds. but old news? >> well, if donald was married at the time, though, and chances are that he was, to which wife, we don't know. >> married to first one, too, when the second one came along. >> let me ask you about another woman in trump's life. a muslim woman who was escorted out of a trump ral pep look at the faces of those who are taunting her as she's leaving. here's the question i want to ask you. do the optics of this, do

they -- because i look at it and i'm appalled especially when she starts to walk out the aisle. she's escorted out of the aisle and people are getting in her face. but the question is do the optics actually help trump in -- >> no. >> but it's primary season, e.d. >> i don't care. primaries aren't about this. >> check this guy out. >> it's unfortunate. however, what the heck is she doing playing the victim. you want to go and show people what a muslim looks like? first, what age do you live in? >> blocking the aisle and giving her the thumbs down. >> and the visuals are bad. but if you're a protester and you go and you decide to stand up, every political rally now, they're looking for people who are going to cause issues is and they're taken out. you can see people there with the same yellow badge on, muslim, and they weren't removed. this woman asked for it, she wanted attention. shows a flight attendant. you try not following the rules when you're on her flight. you want to go to the bathroom after the light goes off? that's the only time you can go. it comes back on, she's telling

you to get in your seat. you tell her, i'm just going to stand here. >> e.d. is convincing me the optics of this in primary season help trump. >> e.d. also said the optics were not good for trump. in his base vote, does that help him? but that's a relatively small number of people. in iowa it's evangelical voters that believe in the christian good works and would not like this. and rough necks were in there pushing her around. but in general election, that's the kind of thing that will come back and haunt a presidential candidate. >> i agree. but in iowa, it might actually help. this is the recent fox poll relative to iowa. you'll see that ted cruz has edged out the donald. cruz, e.d., all week long on the defensive about his eligibility to run. i know he had to spend several days talking about an issue he'd rather not have to talk about. whether trump drew any blood on

this, i don't see. your thought? >> as a texan, i finally realized why he never seems like a texan to me. it's the canadian roots. i don't think it makes a difference. it definitely took him off topic. he didn't get the chance to put his message out there. but did it help or hurt anyone? no. >> john mccain said i think it's a legitimate issue but i'm not a constitutional scholar. so i asked a constitutional scholar at georgetown. >> our constitution doesn't define terms, it just uses them. but the first congress said that the children of the united states that may be born beyond sea or out of the limits of the united states shall be considered as natural bosh itrn citizens. open and shut case. >> he's the expert, beckel, open and shut case. what's the political significance of this? >> when i was at harvard law -- no. it's fun, john mccain had the same problems. he was born in the panama canal

zone. if you remember that. >> yeah. >> i agree with e.d., this is a ridiculous issue. but for cruz who has not been off message. he's been a smart on message candidate. this is a bad week for him. >> ironic that john mccain. >> because he's the birther guy. >> it's campaign commercial season. marco rubio has a particular ad up in iowa that i think is worthy of some analysis. can we roll that? >> our goal is the ability to live alongside our creator for all time, to accept the free gift of salvation offered to us by jesus christ. the struggle on a daily basis as a christian is to remind ourself of this. the purpose of our life is to cooperate with god's plan. to those who much has been given much is expected. we'll be asked to account for that. are your treasures stored up on earth or in heaven?

to me, i try to let that influence everything that i do. i'm marco rubio and i approve that message. >> i'm sure that works in iowa, but that first amendment is freedom of religion, freedom from religion. >> i don't disagree with the things he's saying, but again in a general election, you're the president for everyone regardless of their religion. and i don't think it's a good ad. i don't think it helps him. >> it looks to me like he read the new testament for the first time. i don't think you'll find marco rubio when he goes back to his campaign for the senate, i would defy you to find an ad like that in florida. >> i would show you a pair of boots that you would look good in. these are marco rubio's boots. they got a lot of attention. i have a theory about this. the sort of thing you get for christmas and you wear them once. and your wife gave them to you, your friend gave them to you, then they never come out of the closet again. your thoughts? >> i owned a ranch in montana, so i used to wear them a lot. e.d. knows a lot about this. i have 15 pairs of cowboy boots.

and i wear them. i can't now because of my leg. i think they're fine. >> those aren't cowboy boots. i'm for those all the time. however, that looks very bootyish. >> it does look a little bit like john travolta. >> in "saturday night fever" right? >> that would be sweet if his wife did get them for him and he's wearing them. >> come on, did you not get something like that for christmas and all of a sudden you feel obligated. >> absolutely. >> jeb bush, it hasn't gone well for jeb thus far. gallup had interesting data about his favorability, his unfavorability. the favorable percentage on the decline, the unfavorable on the rise. what has he done -- >> nothing. >> -- to drive up his unfavorable. >> he's done nothing. the biggest issue he has right now it seems is that the favorability among men is

dropping. that's because men, i believe, like guys who are strong, who they look at and -- >> kicking sand in his face. >> and he just comes across as weak. he's a nice guy. everybody agrees on that, but he's certainly not coming across as very presidential. >> you ran walter mondale's campaign. do you like being reminded of that? >> no. >> how should i introduce you? >> this is your show and you always ask good questions. could you leave that one go? i did 103 campaigns, i get remembered for that one. because i got where is the beef out of it. >> it's not going well for jeb. why not roll the dice and bring out w.? what do you have to lose. >> he's done it. >> no, he really hasn't. >> because jeb has a kid who really could run for president and possibly could win. and i think that it is -- i think it's irresponsible -- >> what would that be, bush 53? >> i think it's irresponsible

for jeb to stay in this long. he can bring out his father, brother, mother, everybody. it won't change this. >> boils down to his father and his brother ran wars. i don't think people perceive him to be a commander in chief. >> i don't know anybody who walks away though still having -- i don't know what the number s 50 million in his super pac. he's not going without spending it, right? >> he's got the money. but at certain point it gets embarrassing. >> there will we three people with a ticket out of new hampshire, just three, maybe four. >> can john kasich, he's about to come on here live from new hampshire, could he be one of them? >> he could. number inspect always throws us a -- >> i'm not sure that we will. >> new hampshire always has a surprise, invariably does. four guys come out of new hampshire, with all due respect to the woman in the field, she will not. but here's jeb's problem. he's got the win florida.

if he can't win florida and he loses it to marco rubio, he's gone. >> ben carson, we haven't said anything about carson, but he made a fifth grade mistake. he goes into a fifth grade class and says who is the dumbest kid in class. he's trying to make a point that i once was regarded as the dumbest kid in class, but before he could deliver that line, everybody points to a particular kid. >> he was back pedaling because he saw that. "people" magazine said he shamed a fifth grader. baloney. if you listen to this kid, he wasn't shamed. he's a kid who wasn't raised in the age of everybody is a winner, everybody gets a trophy. it's real life. >> come on, e.d. >> i said at the end of it, if i could, i'd vote for carson. his mother said first he's not the dumbest kid in class and he's really resilient kid. >> i don't give my sons trophies for everything. i've got throw of them, one daughter, but i'd be pissed if my kid was the one that everybody pointed to. >> well, his mother's not. >> as the dumbest kid in my

fifth grade class, i can see this. that i agree with e.d. completely. this was taken out of context. carson has to face it. look at his numbers. >> it's all about selling books now for him. his woif's got a book out as well. >> that's a little cynical on your part. >> i don't think he meant to do it. >> go put your boots on. >> i'm going to bring my boots next week. >> e.d., thank you. bob, thank you. great to see you both. i really appreciate it. so many great subjects. tweet me @smerconish. i'll read them later in the program. i see trump has tweeted about my buchanan interview, but he forgot to add @smerconish. john kasich is here live. and also, mark wahlberg played him in the movie lone survivor. now marcus latrell is back in the public eye as a big supporter of the nra, but he has

some opinions that might make them think about pulling this ad. >> my freedom is more powerful than anything you can possibly do. and i will never, never surrender my rights to your terror. i will say what i think, worship according to my beliefs and raise my children how i see fit. and i defend it all with the second amendment to the constitution of the united states. where our next arrival is... red carpet whoa! toenail fungus!? fight it! with jublia. jublia is a prescription medicine used to treat toenail fungus.

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any next guest one of the nr ashes's most outspoken supporters, marcus luttrell was a part of navy s.e.a.l.s deployed on a mission to take out a taliban leader. but as detailed in his book "lone survivor" and the 2013 blockbuster movie in which he was played by mark wahlberg, they were spotted by a group of goat herders. >> the way i see it, we got three options. one, we let them go, hike up,

probably be found in less than an hour. two, we tie them up, hike out, roll the dice, they'll probably be eaten by wolves or freeze to death. >> three? >> we terminate the compromise. >> we cannot do that. >> the s.e.a.l.s debated whether to kill the locals which included a child, then decided to let them go. one of the locals revealed their location and all the s.e.a.l.s were killed except luttrell. he earned a navy cross. he's back in the eye because of the new history channel documentary "live to tell" and because he starred in this pro gun ad with almost a half million hits on youtube. >> i know you're watching, so pay attention. you hate my freedom, my religion and my country. you hate me for speaking my mind. you try to control me with violence and intimidation.

you think you can muzzle me with fear? don't ever confuse me for my politicses or my media. i am an american, free born and free bred. and i will call you out for who you are, an islamic extremist, who would kill me for my beliefs. you don't intimidate me. my freedom is more powerful than anything you could possibly do. and i will never, never, surrender my rights to your terror. i'll say what i think, worship according to my beliefs and raise my children how i see fit. and i defend it all with the second amendment to the constitution of the united states. i cower to no one because i am the national rifle association of america and i am freedom's safest place. >> marcus luttrell's real-life story is also one of the episodes of a new history channel series titled "live to tell" executive produced by hollywood heavyweight peter berg and both gentlemen join me now.

marcus, we'll talk about the new series in a moment. what did you make of the president's town hall meeting the other night? >> in my opinion, when you start messing with the constitution and what this country was founded on and our baseline is what we call it, it just opens up too many doors. you start messing with that and then people can say, well, you know, religion starts killing people. stuff you put out on the news or social media, it affected, it killed somebody. i think if you're going to make a decision like that, it can't be a one-man deal. it's got to be both houses and the people come together in a unanimous decision when you start messing with the constitution. >> peter berg "lone survivor" when it was published, i brought marcus to philadelphia -- >> let me put this out there, i applaud him for trying to do something. something has to be done. i think that should be said. everybody takes jabs at him. but he's trying to do something. i get that. and i'm not 100% on this.

but didn't they open up, if you get a psych eval and the doc thinks you're crazy he can turn you over to the feds? >> i don't know if that's internet lore or that's part and parcel of this. but my understanding -- and i've read it -- he's trying to identify who is a hobbyist at gun sales and to make people subject to background checks. it seems pretty modest, frankly. >> why is that a problem? people get driver's license and -- i don't think that's an issue. in 2016, i don't think that's a problem. >> marcus, they may yank you off that nra ad if they hear you say that. >> to have people with psychological problems have a background check before they can buy a weapon? i don't think the nra would pull me off. if they do, then i need to be pulled off. you got to -- you can't give a weapon to somebody who has mental issues. >> peter berg when "lone

survivor" came out, i brought marcus to philadelphia. a thousand people lined up to hear what he had to say. it struck such a chord. along you came and you director "lone survivor" the movie and it was a sensation. my question to you is why has this story, his story, struck such a chord with so many americans? >> he's just a remarkable man who speaks for a culture of similarly remarkable men, special operations community. and i think it's pretty obvious that we as a country respond very well to men like marcus luttrell and his brothers. >> marcus, we know, i think most of us, the basic facts of "lone survivor." this is different. this now is the story of the men who came to rescue you. speak about them, speak about their role. >> when they first walked in the door, i mean, the thought on my

face was, man, they look upset. and they look beat down. i mean, good lord. they'd been looking for me for as long as i'd been missing. they were all wearing body armor. i'm pretty sure every one of them had a heavy weapon. just no food, no water. and about three minutes into it, after they patched me -- or started to patch me up, hey, guy, if you want to cuss me or do anything, go ahead. because i know on the way out here you guys have been looking for me and it's been miserable and it's okay. you can let it on me. i'm sorry you had to come get me. we started joking around a little bit. i never got a chance to thank each and every one of them for what they did. but we definitely had one heck of a time when we were out there, that's for sure. >> what i like about peter's work on this project is that i'm a believer that now 15 years into this war on radical islam, that's the word choice that i use, i think it's the word choice that you use as well, i believe we're living in the midst of -- and you're a part of this -- the greatest generation. we tend to think of the world

war ii guys. but you want to say a word about the men, the women with whom you've served in the last 15 years and the credit they're due. >> the world war ii guy, we learned everything from those guys. hopefully what we learned we passed down to the newer generation. for the people who are in the sandbox and slum led during my generation, it was a tough one. no uniform, fighting that ghost army. and on two battle fronts. and we held them at bay for 15 years. we did that. we kept them out of here for the most part. and over there. and then took the brunt of it. and that's what we were supposed to do. and for everybody who went over there and did that, man, i respect you and i honor you. it was an honor to serve with you. truly walked among giants is the way i have to put it. >> a final political question for you, marcus, i saw you at rick perry's announcement. you were there with your

brother. i got to believe that your endorsement is something folks want in this 2016 race. have you picked a new dog in this fight? >> i haven't, man. rick perry's my family. i love him. they got me through a lot of stuff. and it was an honor to be up there with him and be a part of that. it's so early -- it's funny to watch everyone bicker and yell and tear each other out this early, but it's down to it now. but a fistfight. i don't watch early on like this, too ridiculous. >> peter, congratulations. i think it's important that you told this story. i know you're in demand fp you can go do a big hollywood $4 million picture. >> my two executive producers are both veterans, one is an ex-navy s.e.a.l. and one is an exarmy ranger. they did 90% of the heavy lifting on this. it was remarkable to see some veterans who had really identified what they wanted to could and did an outstanding job and hopefully another aspect of

this whole big situation we're able to shed some light on is making sure that we don't forget that these men and women are coming home and they're trying to reassimilate into civilian life. and they're out there just generally incredible assets to any company, and they were sure an asset to the making of this show. i'm very happy with that. >> marcus luttrell, peter berg, thank you so much. you know, i think marcus luttrell just made some news here in terms of giving credit to the president for what he's trying to do relative to guns and the fact that luttrell who has cut that nra commercial embraced background checks i also find to be very significant. and he's an american hero. so the most mainstream gop candidate only has one problem and that might be that there might not be a sufficient mainstream left in his party. i'm eager to chat with the adult in the room, john kasich.

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when it comes to picking presidents as ohio goes, so goes the nation. and yesterday ohio republicans who will host their party's national convention this summer broke with historical precedent and delivered an early endorsement to their governor john kasich in his bid for the white house. residents of the buckeye state won't vote in a primary till march, but they want it understood now that they're standing with their man. and today comes the announcement that so, too, is their senator rob portman. i happen to see john kasich as the type of republican best suited to wage a general election campaign, but the same attributes that make him attractive in a general, namely

experience and bridge building, might hinder his ability to compete in primary season. governor john kasich joins me now from columbia, south carolina. are you now trying to convince what i just said of republicans, i'm a winner, i can win, i can beat hillary? >> well, michael, i do talk about that, but i'm also telling them about what i think and who i am. and look, a lot of americans think they're being ripped off. that the rich and the powerful run everything and the son of a mailman, which is what i am and a grandfather who was a coal miner who died of black lung and a mother whose mother couldn't speak english, all of my career i've been fighting for people who don't have a voice. and michael, i have to tell you we're rising. in new hampshire we're finding us virtually tied for second or moving up to third place. no, i think that as people focus more and more, experience, reform oriented and they take a good look at you and see whether

they think you're a leader, whether you've got good qualities. we're very, very pleased with where we are in new hampshire right now. >> why not flat-out make the pitch and say to republicans, you might be angry about the status quote, i'm angry about the status quo, but don't trump can't win the general election, i'm the guy from ohio? >> i might want to hire you as a campaign manager. are you available to go out on the road -- >> no. jeff zucker wouldn't allow it. >> would you take a leave from cnn and come on out with me. >> i just don't hear you express it that way, but i hear it from my radio. i hear it from my radio callers. my radio callers say give me kasich, give me rubio, give me florida and ohio, we win this thing. >> well, look, i think it's important to tell people how you win and there isn't any doubt i'd win a general election. you said at the top of the show, i'm the strongest general election candidate. i have to get through the primaries. the way i do that, michael, is to have an opportunity for

people to hear me, see me, poke me, smell me, see what they think about me. that's how it works in new hampshire. if i come out of new hampshire as one of the big stories, i believe i will be the nominee and i think i can beat hillary clinton because hillary's a typical political type without a vision. and you know, all of my career i've been able to help create an atmosphere of job creation. i've been able to help people to rise, give opportunity to people who traditionally lived in the shadows. and i think as you know, i've been very difficult for people to define because, you know -- you know, i think with my head and my heart. and ohio, the story in ohio is incredible. we're up 385,000 jobs with rock solid pensions. we have running a surplus. we've cut the most taxes of any governor in america today. and then those who have mental illness or drug addiction or the working poor, the developmentally disabled, the minority community, we reach out to all of them and help them to

have a voice and have an opportunity to rise. >> governor, you're in south carolina. last night at a rally in south carolina something occurred that i'd love to get your comment on. and that is that a muslim woman stood in silent protest of donald trump. she was then escorted out of the crowd. things got a little bit nasty. i'm going to run that image and hope that john kasich reacts to what he sees this this video. go ahead. >> you'll see the way in which she's heckled on the way out the door. what do you make of this, governor kasich? >> terrible. you know, we're not a country that, you know, a country that feels good about insulting or yelling at people or demeaning people. so you know, maybe it was a

friday night and who knows? but look, people want to come to my rallies, they want to come to my town halls, they're welcome. i've had people disrupt, but that's all part of america, right? but i just don't like the tearing apart of the country because if we want to fix the border or if we want to fix social security, if we want to create an environment for job creation, we're not going to get it done by tearing one another apart. and i also have to tell you that, michael, we've just seen this north korean situation, and one of the great things that troubles me is the ability of a country like north korea to be able to give very dangerous materials or weapons technology to nonstate actors, that would be people like hezbollah, isis, hamas. and the entire world is going to have to stop that because if that's not the case, we're going to see -- we could potentially see horrific things happen in this

and we have many muslim countries moderate in nature. they respect women and civilization and history. we don't want to be alienating people like that. you remember the first gulf war with the arabs and westerners drove saddam out of kuwait. that's what it has to look like again when we go after isis. if we are attacking muslims, we will just drive them farther away. we will get through this. we will get over this. but that's not the way to behave. >> governor kasich, you're saying that video we just showed is being shown around the world. and how is a former -- pardon me, a future commander in chief going to be able to build the necessary arab coalition to fight radical islam if those we want to attract on our side are watching the way that woman was treated. that's the point, right? >> well, michael, i don't want to overreact to it. because one rally, one guy, one situation. but it's not helpful, clearly.

here's the thing. i've got two daughters that are going to be turning 16 years of age in about seven days. i treat them to show other people respect. to be yelling and screaming at somebody because of their religion, that's -- well, i just can't get carried away with it because that doesn't reflect america or who americans are. >> governor, i just have 30 seconds left with you. is it all on the line for new hampshire for john kasich? >> not really. because we are all over the country. we are in south carolina, organized in nevada. we are organizing in the south with great people like senator trent lott. we have to be a good story coming out of new hampshire. i'm like the little engine that can. people say how is he going to do? you can see i'm rising in the polls. we have the best ground game in new hampshire with positive commercials on the air right now. and i'm predicting a very significant surge forward.

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top of the hour, 7:00 eastern, 4:00 p.m. eastern. we begin this hour with breaking news. one of the world's most dangerous and notorious drug lords likely heading back to the united states to face justice here in america. just yesterday the most feared man in mexico, joaquin "el chapo" guzman tracked down and grabbed by marines in mexico. official word from south of the border that mexico plans to honor the american extradition request and send el chapo here he