outflank him on the left on everything else she is more moderate to conservative than he is. >> what did you think of joe biden's comments about hillary clinton and bernie sanders? certainly those were -- i would say irritating a bit to hillary clinton. >> i think the vice president has complicated feelings about the presidential race. he thinks he would be a better president than anyone else running. he doesn't see a path to the nomination because of hillary clinton. there was a story that maureen dowd wrote in which beau biden was talking about the superiority of biden values versus clinton values. sometimes he can't help himself. he feels that bernie sanders is more sincere and more active in talking about wealth inequality than hillary clinton and he likes to zing her a little bit

because he feels he would be a better president than she is. >> so many bernie sanders supporters think that he can do to hillary clinton what then senator barack obama did to hillary clinton in 2008. >> it is similar in a lot of ways. the challenges posed by barack obama and bernie sanders. barack obama is more unique. but that said in terms of the way that the clinton campaign didn't take barack obama's challenge as seriously as they should have. there is that same attitude towards bernie sanders. and she is out there repeating the same arguments that were made by her and her campaign against barack obama against bernie sanders which is arguments about electability and

the people in iowa and new hampshire, the democratic voters there, many of them remember that, remember that she said he can't win. she said that about barack obama very strongly. they said it off the record, too. they thought there was no way that barack obama could ever be elected president. to make that same statement about bernie sanders, i think that might be troublesome. >> he's a self avowed socialist too. and he has done amazing so far. >> he has been good at capturing the hearts and minds of the democratic base. liberals, progressives, young people. talking about their daily life and frankly also he is a fresh face they don't necessarily know of him a lot of them, the way that they've known hillary clinton. she's been in public life since 1991.

while he has been in office for that long if not longer, it's been a much lower profile type of situation. so he is new and fresh, 74 years old notwithstanding. >> and people didn't take him seriously at the beginning. but he has really, really stepped up over these past five, six months. and doing remarkably well. let's say hypothetically she loses the iowa caucuses and new hampshire primary and move to south carolina and nevada and elsewhere can she come back after two losses like that? >> of course she can. and one of the reasons that all the negative stuff that voters know about hillary clinton they don't know negative stuff about bernie sanders.

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iran following this plan and i've been told that a lot of people are on tinder hooks waiting to see if the deal will come through on time. >> we heard the vice president suggest optimism, john kerry expressed optimism. do they still think this is a done deal, those ten american sailors will be freed? >> from the beginning they expressed confidence it will come through as designed but you speak to people in private and they say i'll be comfortable only when i see it happen. >> iran like every other country has its own internal politics. one of the things going on here, the revolutionary guard, they're the ones -- the extremists within iran, they are the ones who have taken the american sailors captive or hostage or whatever they're doing with them. how much are the leaders of iran, the moderates or what

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america's economy is in decline is peddling fiction. look, if anybody still wants to dispute the science around climate change, have it. i think there are outdated regulations that need to be changed. food stamp recipients did not cause the financial crisis. if you doubt america's commitment or mine to see that justice is done, just ask osama bin laden. i am guessing we won't agree on health care any time soon just a guess. >> and back with john king, michael smerconish, gloria borger, david axelrod, and amanda carpenter, van jones, mike rogers, in terms of the

tone of this president, john king, is it different than what we heard in the state of the union last year? >> well, sure, it's the last one. and the tradition says i want you to pass this, i want you to pass that and hope you can work together on this. bill clinton was famous for it. but this president gave a couple of long state of the unions where they list ten or 12 and they fight over what gets mentioned. and it is a big elbow match. this time the president essentially said i'll get back to that. i want to talk more thematically. it was striking in how much he wanted to defend what he has done and what he is doing in which he is the issue. there is constant criticism of everything. the republican campaign casts

this presidency as a failure and he was rebutting them. >> how do you judge the effectiveness of the state of the union if anyone can remember a line from last year, please speak up. what is an -- >> the way sometimes you judge it is if a president's poll numbers take a pop the next day. i think that may have happened with bill clinton in the past. but i think that's not the way you will judge this speech. president obama has been stuck at 44, 45, 46%. the public has decided who he is and how much they like him. what struck me about this, though, and i just want to say one thing about tone with the president. this is a person who is leaving office. he's not tethered to whether democrats succeed in their re-election.

and this is also a president who seemed more at ease. cracked a joke at the beginning of this where he said i'm going to make it short, some of you are antsy to get back to iowa. and he seemed to be just more at ease in the sense that i'm going to be liberated from this job soon. >> he is making a push for a democratic -- >> i read president reagan's last address. he called for a line item veto and to outlaw abortion in all cases. bill clinton's last state of the union address he called for gun safety legislation, a minimum wage, the parties use these -- presidents use these to organize the government so that everyone knows what they are supposed to be working on but also to organize the cup. >> i think he also tonight needed to say back to his base

look at what i did for you. his line on clean energy and put nick that was brilliant. he said we didn't argue about whether sputnik was up there but just went to fix it. but if you look at every progressive constituency out there, the kids that won on keystone pipeline or the dreamers, you have a grass roots that has taken over this party. there is a progressive movement that has taken over this party and set the agenda from black lives matter to 350.org to the dreamers. and he was blowing a bunch of kisses to his base. that was important. >> i think that belittles what he was doing. i think he was outlining very big ideas about what defines the future. and mike said -- wait a second. mike says it was contentious and political because he didn't

agree with the republicans. we have two parties for a reason. he has a very well defined view of what the future demands and that's what elections are about. >> does he continue to go against the republicans? >> does it help define the debate in the coming year? i think it will. >> but does he continue to attack donald trump, ted cruz? moving forward? >> i think he is a guy who believes that we are an american community that we shouldn't turn on each other, that we shouldn't certainly do it by religion and race and tribe. >> you wouldn't be surprised if he continues to go after trump. >> he didn't name donald trump tonight. but i think he will stand up for the america he believes in. >> the long ball that he was playing to david's point and it's the war on terror. i heard him say we're strong and he defended that perspective an i heard him say that isis -- fighters in the back of pickup trucks don't pose a threat to the united states.

and he said that the middle east transformation that is underway is going to play itself out for a generation. i thought this was the president trying to lessen fear and add perspective. >> there was one line that stokes the fear. the line that is rhetoric, when people talk about the enemy gaining strength that's rhetoric and hot air. that plays into the trump base and plays into people who fear an attack on our homeland. >> let's play what he said about isis. it relates to what we're talking about. >> masses of fighters on the backs of pickup trucks, twisted souls plotting in apartments or garages, they pose an enormous danger to civilians. they have to be stopped but they do not threaten our national existence. that is the story isil wants to tell.

that's the kind of propaganda they use to recruit. >> mike? >> you know, this is where i think this president gets in so much trouble. i don't expect the president to say let's all get along. a big smooch and let's all get syphilis. >> i'm against syphilis and trump. not in that order. >> he says i want to get along and proceeds to attack republicans on points that are divisive. >> why would you do this in you have a national platform. >> all seven years he doesn't do it and now he says -- >> that's what you were saying. >> he said we're going to have differences in a democracy. but let us respect each other in those differences. >> and insults the people's positions by trying to categorize them. >> if you are not for me -- >> yes -- >> reagan --

>> you love reagan, right? reagan was brilliant at doing exactly that. he would have a vigorous defense of his own positions. >> which is fine. >> but it's important that we take him seriously when he tries to help americans understand where we are. if you told us 15 years ago after 9/11 with 3,000 americans dead and with american icons blown up and laying on the ground that the next major terrorist attack would be in 15 years and wouldn't be 3,000, 1,000, wouldn't be 100 but 14 tragic lost that we -- he knocked the heck out of al qaeda and now he's going to knock the heck out of isis. but let's make sure -- you're the guy on this. but i think it's important that we listen to what he is trying to say. we have made progress in this war. it's going to be a long war. but we are not in the same

position we were in with the soviet union. >> to say that the foreign policy is going well and it's about four guys in a pick up truck -- >> and donald trump says we're getting wiped up. >> we have isis that went from a small portion of eastern syria is now in 20 countries. there are 50 states with investigations on isis, and this is the problem. when the president dumbs down -- don't worry about this. we got it covered -- >> that's not what he said -- >> absolutely that's what he said. >> what i heard him say -- >> i lived it. >> he didn't want to make the decision. >> i wouldn't have liked the speech. >> mike -- >> without giving the statistic what i heard him trying to say was this, your risk of being killed by a terrorist if you are an american is one in 4 million and trump is scaring the crap out of people.

isis poses a threat but not an existential threat. >> to say that terrorism doesn't have both a broader impact -- >> it should have been a law enforcement matter and not invasion of iraq. >> this is why we didn't deal with the problem in eastern syria and he pulled out iraq. for him to say everyone loves america more today that is fantasyland. the foreign leaders asked us what is going on in america why are you pulling away from the world? >> you think -- >> we were more popular under george w. bush. >> at least when he said he would do something he did. >> like invade the wrong country. >> you raised pulling away from the world. what is donald trump talking about? >> i'm not here to defend any person's individual foreign

policy decision. i'm telling you this president has presented the next president -- i don't care who it is -- if it's bernie sanders, we have a huge problem internationally. >> hold on one second. >> get -- >> his point -- >> wait, wait -- >> no, sir. he is going to turn over a much better country than the one he inherited. >> not on foreign policy. >> are you insane? come on. >> you're arguing the position of the u.s. in the world is better than what it was. isis in 20 countries and 50 states. you have attacks in paris. you have the chinese -- >> let van respond. >> you can run through the list of horrors you are concerned about iran. >> and china and russia. >> can i finish? >> iran -- you want to talk about iran, iran got the biggest help it ever got from george w.

bush when he knocked out iraq. if you go through the list -- >> unfortunately your facts are -- >> that's true -- >> no. >> not going to -- >> mike made an interesting point. the chances of an american being killed by a terrorist is one in 4 million. >> john cato wrote a book called overblown the data is there. >> one in 4 million we spend hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars, the chances of an american man dying from cancer is one in two. american woman one in three. and against that, we spend about 5 billion a year. so the president tonight i think one thing that could be a lasting legacy is he asked the vice president to lead a moon shot to kill cancer. this congress.

they increased funding for the national institutes of health. >> all of us are much more threatened by cancer. >> you can't deny, here's where i agree with mike. you can't deny that the american public is anxious. >> yes. >> whether isis, you know, is an existential threat or not, the america public is afraid. >> you fight fear with facts. you don't -- >> he said it's rhetoric and hot air. >> it is the role of the president to cater to anxiety or address the anxiety with facts. that's what he tried to do tonight. >> some notion he laid out a list of facts is wrong. he had great rhetoric. but i will tell you in the position in the world we are in much worse shape. russia is on the move -- >> but just factually, isn't globally the number of people dying in wars less than ever before. your chance of dying a violent death today -- on the first day of world war i --

>> 30,000 -- >> to compare us to world war i. >> it's harder to maintain a war and keep it going and you don't have as many deaths from war. >> one idiot and one gun can do a lot of damage. we are going to be fighting that for the next 20 years. but that is a different threat than organizing massive acts inside our borders. >> since, mike, you want facts and we should talk facts you look at polling around the world. it is just a fact that our standing is higher than it was when this president took office. >> it is not true. >> you are saying among leaders. >> you don't have a country, iran who right after the iran

deal a month ago launches tests on missiles in violation of the u.n. sanctions. and here's where we get in trouble. here's where i fault the administration. the administration says that's a problem and we're going to do something about it. they send it to congress and iran says all bets are off and they go back to congress and take the sanctions back. if you don't think that has implications for u.s. national security you are wrong. >> that same country under the last administration was steaming toward an atom bomb and now they are a good distance from it because they had to ship -- >> as a guy who sat in every one of those meetings, absolutely inaccurate. what happened was the administration pulled back on a whole set of decisions because they wanted an iran deal. some of those decisions included action on a growing problem of isis when our arab league partners came to congress and the united states, me included and said we have a problem with this group, this is going to get

out of hand we need some help, the president said we're busy with this other action going on. i sat in those meetings and was a part of those meetings, democrats oppose it at that time in those meetings. >> i want to ask you one question, will -- >> those are the facts. >> will the gentleman yield? >> doesn't mean we will. >> or that you are a gentleman. >> can i ask question. >> are you saying iran is as close today to a bomb as they were before this process began? >> i think they are on a much better position -- >> are they closer to a bomb than they were before -- >> no, it's not that easy. all of their -- there are three legs to that nuclear stool and we -- there's three legs to the nuclear stool.

if you want to have a discussion about the implications of the iran deal including quds force -- >> i wanted to -- >> can i say something about the speech -- >> i think the answer is -- >> i want to say we have the first results of the instant poll of the americans who watched the speech. >> very interesting results. 53% of those who watched the speech, the speech watchers had a positive reaction to the president's remarks together. 20% were somewhat positive and 25% negative. the very positive is as high as it has ever been. but nearly half of those who watched say the obama presidency has fallen short of their expectations. remember, this poll doesn't reflect the views of all americans only those who watched the speech, a group that is more

democratic than the population as a whole. we're going to get more results for you but these are fascinating. the most positive reaction among those who watched the speech of any speech going back to 2013 which was pretty high. >> a key part of that is the fact that democrats and those who are inclined to like president obama are more likely to watch the speech than republicans and those who don't like president obama and looking at social media and talking to people and people i know who are democrats thought it was a great speech and got them excited and reminded them why they voted for obama and republicans hated it and thought he came across as lecturing and not describing the united states they know. and people in the middle i -- but a lot of the stuff hasn't happened. >> it makes sense.

especially when you consider that so many people who like obama were watching. >> a lot of people had high expectations of this presidency. if you listen to the results of the poll we have tonight those people are disappointed by and large that the expectations have not been achieved. >> president obama has not made this a major part of his presidency at all it's his desire to change the campaign system not just the finance system but also making gerrymandering a thing of the past, talking more about making it easier to vote, not harder, one of the key parts of that is taking big money out of politics and most people watching are not big money people and have not given a lot of money to politicians and political party and like the idea of those people having less of an influence. 'easier to make that promise when you are walking out of the door.

the reaction among those who watched the speech when we go back eight speeches this is the highest. >> that's what he wanted. this is a historic speech his last one. a cap stone, a book end to that peach he gave in 2004. it is an end a legacy speech, a big, important speech. >> i want some reaction to your friends over there. >> we started off an hour and a half ago to this harkens back to 2008. >> remember whether you voted for him or not how aspirational and inspirational he was. >> i -- >> to try to lay out an

aspirational -- we can deal with these things and fix these things and get through the hard stuff if you lift your heads up and that is very much obama. my question is, how many minds can he change or is that his goal. if his goal is to hold the coalition together, if he keeps it together whoever is the democratic nominee wins the white house. >> the democratic nominee has to keep the obama coalition without barack obama. that is not easy. as we saw in this conversation tonight you are not going the change minds here. >> i'm sensing that mike's coming around to my -- >> so -- >> but does this president send a year campaigning for his legacy. >> mobilizing, getting out voters. >> whoever run -- >> people who don't like him don't like him. >> whoever the republicans nominate have to run against a

barack obama, michelle obama and both clintons. you were right when you say this is obama's version of america. he is proud of the country but he does not want us to get pulled into dumb wars. >> here's the difficulty for the democratic candidate. you have to coalesce the obama coalition without saying you are the third term of barack obama. that is a tricky thing to thread that needle. >> but the set of issues he outlined is a set of issues that a candidate can run with. >> a healthy disagreement that we had a few minutes ago. nikki haley spent her time on immigration and terrorism. she talked to security issues.

this is where the republicans think their gold is in 2016. they think the way to win is to peel off enough people or if you have the map, peel off florida, ohio, virginia and one more and the republicans win just barely but they win. they get to 270. but you only have to change four big ones. but at this moment and we have ten and a half months to go, at this moment, they think security is their money. >> anxiety. >> play on the anxiety. and that includes the border. nikki haley's speech was for a reason. it was laying out the early benchmark. she took a couple shots at trump but the early foundation of where the republicans need to go this year. >> that is why -- >> i'm for hillary anyway but that's why i'm for hillary. she's the most trusted to be tough on terrorism. if this election is about security -- >> that's not what democratic voters are worried about.

that's why this thing is not a gimme. >> bernie is a formidable politician. but if this thing turns on security hillary -- >> we have ten and a half months and i think it's important -- we didn't know that lehman brothers was going to collapse on september 15th 2008 and transformed the debate in that election. we don't know what the election is going to be about. but it's a good bet that the economy and the anxiety that mike talked about is going to be at the center of it. and whoever can speak to that will have a better chance. >> you ran against hillary clinton in 2008. do you see parallels to her then and what is happening with her now and bernie sanders? >> i think that bernie has mobilized a young, progressive base within the party that we've seen before. i think she's more -- someone said she was caught unawares.

she has been organizing iowa in a way she never organized it in 2008 and that could provide a firewall for her there. i will say a couple things about the two-them. i watched bernie sanders here. he better develop a better answer on the gun question. he looked flummoxed there. when he said i cast 10,000 votes on a lot of complicated issues. he sounded like he has been in congress 25 years which is not what he wants to be. but on the other hand i regret the clinton campaign sent chelsea out to make the attack she did today. bernie sanders is proposing single payer universal health care. he is not trying to take health care away from anyone but exceed it. it wasn't an honest attack and it's not something that they

should have sent her out to do. >> and i found it interesting in obama's state of the union he made the argument that we passed this so we can fill the gap when you change jobs. portability wasn't the big selling point of obamacare it was affordability. he can't run on -- hillary clinton will have to answer for that. obama is waving the white flag on that. and republicans should spend more on the price of health care. everyone's premiums -- >> preexisting conditions -- >> the preexisting -- >> preexisting conditions, no preexisting conditions was a huge part of this debate. and correct me if i'm wrong. >> the single biggest selling point of the plan. >> so i must be right. and i think the republican party

is going to have a difficult time trying to take something away from people that they now have. >> they can offer them something better and let them shop across state lines and have plans with greater access to doctors and you are not paying for services you will never use. >> eat ice cream and lose weight. that's in there. >> there was an alternative that included a lot of the things you talked about. and the biggest part of it was they were going to get 15% of the people who are not covered, get those people covered. now it's a new 15% -- the numbers are clear on this. and half of the companies who are engaged in this health care are pulling out of the market. it's not working and the fines go up next year. >> we're getting more reaction in realtime with our instant testing.

>> we invited viewers to weigh in in realtime with our digital dial test. tom foreman has the results. what did we learn? >> about 125,000 people joined us online for our microsoft pulse test. we have the democrats in blue and the independents in purple and the republicans in red. they weighed in minute by minute saying what they liked and didn't like about the president's speech. one of the biggest areas of divergence is when the president talked about his nuclear deal with iran. watch the highlights parts of the line as he speaks. >> that's why we built a global coalition with sanctions and diplomacy to prevent a nuclear stockpiled iran and the world has avoided another war.

>> republicans have raised a lot of questions about that deal all along and under the circumstances of today as you might expect they did not approve of that out there in our audience taking part with microsoft pulse. but you can see a different opinion here if you talk about red tape that's one of the areas you had the greatest agreement between all three groups. listen. >> i think there are outdated regulations that need to be changed. there is red tape that needs to be cut. there you go. a big thing no one went through the roof. the democrats hovered around 88% to plus 90% the whole time. independents below them and republicans at the lowest level. at no point did the lines cross. nothing broke up that order.

>> tom foreman. thanks. that reinforces the notion that democrats loved what the president had to say and republicans didn't. >> president obama one of the propositions of his speech and his presidency is that the american people are not as divided as the politics of washington, d.c. suggests they are. maybe we are. i mean, maybe the american people are just as divided and why presidential elections are so close and congress flips back and forth and the idea that the streams didn't cross is significant. there was never any overlap. >> dana bash spoke to members as they were leaving. was the reaction the same among the members? >> it was predictable.

frankly, the democrats, who i spoke to thought he did a wonderful job saying the things he wanted to say and ending the way he wanted to and republicans said same old same old. there was disappointment he didn't talk about the channel of isis and didn't lean into it more and his strategy. but yes, i think it was -- i think this was true for any obama speech but now it was a rorschach test. if you like him you liked it if you didn't you didn't. >> he worked hard to prepare that speech and deliver it. stand by, we have a lot more viewer reaction coming in. the president addressed the issues that broke through tonight from debate watchers who weighed in on the speech. much more coming up right after a quick break. >> let me tell you something, the united states of america is

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i've been there. i'll be shaking hands afterwards if you want some tips. >> iowa casts the first presidential vote of 2016 in less than three weeks. donald trump and hillary clinton have been campaigning there today. sara murray is covering trump and brianna keillor is covering clinton. >> donald trump is here on the campaign trail and his aides said he would be watching from the jet. and he caught it from both sides of the aisle, nikki haley and president obama taking shots at trump, nikki haley cautioning about listening to the siren call of the most extreme voice. it's interesting to see the president take a shot at ted

cruz talking about carpet bombing civilians and saying those kinds of things only work as sound bites from tv studios. cruz said he will never apologize for wanting to kill terrorists. but the comments blanket cruz and trump who have come closes to one another talking about bombing isis a and the families of isis or talking about blocking muslims from the u.s. the president wanted to be after the tone we are seeing from the republican front runners right now. >> secretary clinton talked for an interview on new day tomorrow morning. what was her day on the campaign trail? >> her day on the campaign trail today obviously that interview and she had events in iowa and a fundraiser in detroit. but during the state of the union address, her campaign out with an ad called i'm with him

meaning president obama, and it's a campaign ad that focuses on guns. as hillary clinton faces a tough, tough challenge from bernie sanders in new hampshire and an increasingly tough challenge from him in iowa she is trying to zero in on the issue that she thinks there is the most daylight between him and president obama and him and the democratic base because of his moderate stance on gun laws which hued to him coming from vermont. he is taking advantage of the fact that president obama has said he doesn't want to support a candidate who doesn't go where he is on guns. and it's something they are zeroing in on the clinton campaign being a one-trick pony, putting all their eggs in this basket as a new poll shows her down 5 points in iowa. i'm not so sure that the clinton campaign would take that number to the bank. and bernie sanders is up 14 points in new hampshire.

is it a really tough race here for hillary clinton. >> thank you very much. and we saw our dana bash asking bernie sanders earlier on in our broadcast about that new campaign commercial. do you think this is an effective attack against bernie sanders? this is something we asked about during the first democratic debate. it is essentially the liability for gun manufacturers, if those guns are used in violent crimes. >> i think he is uncomfortable with this issue. i think bernie sanders is generally a very forth right guy and he is clearly struggling with this. he was on my podcast. i said if you were living in brooklyn would you cast the same votes? he said no, probably not. >> is this an issue that brings democrats to the polls. traditionally that's one of the arguments that's why there hasn't been progress on further gun control because it's not the issue that is driving people to

the polls. >> it's not an issue that has become a determinant issue in national elections. if you ask the primary voters they talk about immigrants and it's one of the few areas, bernie sanders says that she is to the right of him. this is one of the places where hillary clinton can get to the left of bernie sanders in iowa first and say i've been consistent on this issue. and bernie sanders, he doesn't like to talk about it. you can see. that as a vermont senator, a gun rights state he was much more pro gun. >> the decision to tie herself to the president when bringing this on. she could have gone after bernie sanders on this issue saying everything she said and left president obama out of the equation. i thought it was interesting to attach herself to him on this.

>> this is a change in the democratic party. i remember covering elections, al gore, for example in 2000, bill clinton in 1994, it may have cost him control of the assault weapons ban and control of the congress. and democrats used to be afraid of the gun issue. it's only now because of the obama coalition we have been talking about tonight where voters are younger, they're more urban, and gun control is a popular issue on the presidential level now. the question i have about the democratic party is fine for hillary clinton to have this fight with bernie sanders and get to the left of him on guns but what does it do to members of congress? those democrats who are still in states that might be progun? those are the people who desserted him on the last vote. >> we do have results of a new instant poll. i want to come back to paul on this issue.

he is close to the clintons, obviously. wolf, what have you learned? >> we have more on the results of the instant polls. %-p out tonight compared to his record since taking office. we asked which of mr. obama's policies will move the country in the right direction? climate change was on top followed by the economy and gun policy. when we asked which of the policies have been a success over the past seven years, climate change and the economy still ranked highest but gun policy was seen as the least successful issue. this poll doesn't reflect the views of all americans only those who watched the speech, a group that is clearly more democratic than the pop laying -- population as a whole. >> the president himself has talked about the gun issue as

one where he feels that he has not succeeded, where he has failed, obviously, the people who responded to the poll leaning democratic. are inclined to agree with president obama on this issue. and then, in terms of media coverage of gun violence, there have been a lot of horrific stories. >> and that's why there was an empty seat in the gallery, to underscore the deaths from gun violence, 30,000 a year, here in the united states. >> that's right. but i have to sort of echo what gloria was saying, it feels in some ways that i'm in bizarre-o world listens to democrats talk so intensely about gun control. it's not that many of them didn't think this before they never said it at least for a while because rahm emanuel

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let's go back to cnn's tom foreman tracking results from our digital dial test. >> there were times when the 125,000 people tried to agree. and one of those moments came on the subject of education. >> we should recruit and support more great teachers for our kids. [ applause ] and we have to make college affordable for every american. >> so you didn't get the readout there, but what happened during that part is what you saw everybody surged up when we should make it affordable but when we went to college, the republicans dropped off there. so many republicans are wary of the government starting to pay for that wholesale.

it's one of those areas where they wanted to agree but couldn't get there. >> when they agree they have to work together. and so much bad blood right now can they work together? >> let's end on a nice note. usually members of congress from the opposing party of the president send out letters trashing the speech before. but that is not happening on clint. fred upton put out a press release applauding the move to eliminate cancer, for cancer research saying he wants to work on that. that is a nice thing where the republicans and democrats can come together. >> everybody wanted to eliminate cancer. >> absolutely. i don't want to be the party pooper here. the devil is in the details, whether or not the government is going to pay for the it or the private sector is going to pay for it.

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and they will remember it less. >> and you think president obama continues this message? >> i think he's not running for reelection, but his legacy depends on who the next president is. he needs to have a democrat to continue his legacy because a republican can undo everything he's done, including executive orders and obama care. what he was doing was laying out the blueprint for the next democratic nominee. i know that david doesn't think this was a totally political speech. it wasn't. >> all i'm saying is it was for the election and beyond the election. he committed to certain things that are consistent throughout it. this speech was one of his best speeches, i think, and it was completely connected to the speeches we've seen him make back to 200 4 at the democratic convention. the other thing about tonight is we've learned and much probably to his delight, that donald trump casts a large shadow over both parties. >> donald trump says he's going to make america great again.

barack obama's message, america is great. a rejection of the grab bag. they will not feel compelled to give a laundry list as a state of the union speech. >> with the degree to which donald trump has changed the political message in the united states, this is the president's night. and then the response to the president, both of them took shots at donald trump. he has, whether you agree with him or not, he hasn't won anything yet. he's one of the front runners. he's dramatically changed the conversation in this country. >> if i were a muslim parent tonight, i would be reassured. i'm proud of this president and the democratic party and the activists that are made our party better. i'm proud there's a president

who stood up for the muslims and everybody. i'm proud of him for that. >> he has a chance to do something on bringing people together. i believe that. there are people who really want to do it. i think three months from now you'll find, only because i've been down this path with this president before, if you liked what you saw in the last seven years, you'll like the next twelve. i think it's going to come down to that. >> you just the success of a speech of whether it changed the political dialogue. the answer tonight is no. obama is a lame duck and the era of obama is over. let 2016 begin. >> the era of trump in the republican party is ases dant. >> more from all these people on twitter, i'm sure. we'll have much more to come on president obama's final state of the union peaspeech ahead. i hope you stick around for that.

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breaking news this morning. just minutes ago iran demanding an apology from the united states after seizing ten american sailors. is their release imminent? >> president obama delivers his final state of the union address just a few hours ago. what he says his administration

has accomplished and the challenges still ahead. good morning. welcome to early start. very early this morning. >> it's wednesday, january 13th, about 10 past 3:00 a.m. in the east. we learned iran is demanding an apology from the united states after the iranian revolutionary guard captured ten american soldiers in iranian territorial waters. iran is holding the sailors, nine men and wone woman. john kerry told cnn the sailors would be released very soon, but the latest word this morning from iranian the tv is that the u.s. sailors are being questioned. what does that mean? for the latest let's bring in nick robertson who is watching this situation for us. there had been an expectation that the sailors would be released at dawn. dawn has come and gone at this point. we're a few hours into the morning there. what's the latest?

>> reporter: it seems to be a roller coaster. there was a very clear understanding, it appeared, that they would be released. then we heard the rhetoric ramp up, the hard liners in iran have control over the sailors. they say they're questioning them to find out if they were on an intelligence gathering mission. there is a need for an apology. they say the sailors are being well-treated. they've been able to make a telephone call back to their commanders. we understand from the iranians that their boats are not harmed. this question, the central question about what they were doing there, now, this roller coaster seems to be a peak with a demand for an apology. in the latest minutes, saying that this will be resolved soon. and that the revolutionary guard are saying that the reason the sailors were there, and they

claim their territorial waters was because their navigation equipment was broken. if the iranians are saying it was because of that, it seems to be that they're climbing down on their position and that the release may be imminent. given it's been a roller coaster ride, i think we need to wait, and i think what we're seeing is something between the hard liners and the moderates like the foreign minister in iran who secretary kerr ri has been speaking up. a tussle over how they go through this procedure of release and how they character rise it as well to their domestic audience. >> the reason we may be getting mixed signals is because they're sending them because there are dueling interests at stake. >> absolutely. the moforeign minister who secretary kerry called early in the capture of the sailors is a

moderate. but there's a very strong feeling that behind the scenes it's the hard liners like the revolutionary guard that was formed when they came to power in a revolution in 1979, that these guys never want to let go of power. that they control this island and they have the sailors and that they'll lead with a strong message. when we were waiting for the release, they were saying hold on. we're questioning them. they're being interrogated. and this is one of the things the revolutionary guard said this morning. the sailors were acting unprofessionally and provocatively when they were caught. this is not the kind of language you would expect from a moderate like the foreign minister. this seems to be a tussle that exists. >> and the sailors still in iranian custody. very thorny for the president who spoke about the iran nuclear ke deal. that's days from being implemented. >> it is. we were expecting clearer

information on what iran has done with compliance. shipping out medium enriched urani urani uranium. cutting down their ability to make a weapon because they ship it out, and it means they don't have so much with which to make a weapon. that's one thing, also, the dismantling of the nuclear research facilities that were seen as a real short track for them to get a weapons system up and running. we're expecting to get clarity and announcement on that in the coming days. the iranians, the moderates probably don't want to put that off track either. have zarif has invested his own capital here. i think the iranian nuclear issue for zarif is something he'll want to protect as well. >> nick for us in london. as we sit here right now in the persian gulf, ten u.s. sailors in iranian custody.

they could be released any minute. we thought it might have happened already. it hasn't. stay with us for the latest on that. turning to the state of the union address. president obama urged americans to turn away from the fear and tribalism that have dominated the campaign and toured a more welcoming optimistic vision for the country. let's bring in jim acosta for more. >> reporter: in his final state of the union address, president obama called on the nation to reject the politics of division. the president urged congress to pass new gun control laws, tackle climate change and close the detention facility at began taun moe. he also defended the obama doctrine, pointing to the normalization with cuba and the iranian deal. there was no mention of the

sailors. the president also took aim at the race for the white house and vailed comments on donald trump. here's what he had to say. >> as frustration grows, there will be voices urging us to fall back into our respective tribes, to scapegoat fellow citizens that don't look like us or share the same background or vote like us. we can't afford to go down that path. it won't deliver the economy we want. it will not produce the security we want. but most of all, it contradicts everything that makes us the envy of the world. >> and the president called for a moon shot mission to cure cancer. it was a tribute to the vice president whose son beau died from cancer last year. >> jim for us at the white house. the reaction, of course, has

been pouring in overnight. let's discuss the politics and the response. we're joined by erik bradner. you don't hear presidents say i wish i had done a better job often. or i regret i didn't do x. nevertheless, president obama says he regrets that he didn't do more to heal the partisan divide. listen. >> it's one of the few regrets of my presidency. that the ranker and suspicion between the parties has gotten worse instead of better. i have no doubt, a president with the gifts of lincoln or roosevelt might have better bridged the divide. i'll try to be better so long as i hold this office. >> it was interesting to hear. he's talked about these types of things but i've never heard him

put as much blame on himself. >> reporter: it was the candidate of transformational change looking back with regret. it was a striking moment. he was basically telling voters, the obama constituency that elected him twice that it's on them now. there's nothing more he can do. it was interesting to hear him sort of trashing donald trump and sort of politics extremism. at the same time he was really making this call. it was an interesting juxtaposition, but it was a lot of honesty from the president. it's almost like he felt like he didn't have anything to lose by throwing it out there. and he didn't. >> can we talk about haley's response in so interesting she chose the moment also to talk about some of the ranker in washington. she talked about the point of view of the republican party, and her call that you don't

listen to the angriest voices in the somethiroom. something the president also said. listen. >> today we live in a time of threats like few others in recent memory. during anxious times, it can be tempting to follow the siren call of the angriest voices. we must resist this temptation. no one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws and love our traditions should ever feel unwelcome in this country. >> that was meant for the republican front runner, wasn't it? >> yes. wasn't that striking to hear the governor of south carolina, a republican, really going after the republican front-runner in south carolina? one of the earl i ly voting sta. it got negative reception from the far right, especially on social media.

they were hitting nikki haley hard for going that. that made it all the more striking. it tells you a little bit more about where the heads of republican leaders on capitol hill are at. mitch mcconnell and paul ryan were the ones who invited nikki haley. they knew what she was going to say, and here she is releasing this sort of attack on the republican presidential front runner. it was a fascinating moment. >> it was the establishment strikes back in a way. erik for us in iowa. we'll talk to you more in the coming minutes. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for staying up with us. >> hillary clinton launching new attacks against sanders as his support soars in a new national pole. the race for president intensifi intensifies. that's next.

>> hillary clinton's lead is slipping nationally. a poll just out shows clinton seven points ahead of sanders. last month her lead was 20 points. clinton attacked sanders on numerous fronts in iowa, and later telling cnn her opponent is short on substance. >> so i have put forth plans paid family leave, tuition debt free tuition for public colleges, capping prescription drug costs, and much more. and it would cost about $100 billion a year. all of which i pay for. in contrast, senator sanders has

some very big ideas, but he hasn't yet told anybody how he would pay for them, and he promised he would roll out his tax plans before the iowa caucus on february 1st. well, if you wait too long, nobody will have a chance to see them or analyze them, and so i am very clear about what i would do and how i would pay for it. >> chelsea clinton made her first solo campaign appearance on tuesday. she expected to join bill clinton in a campaign event in iowa this weekend. the breaking news this morning. we're watching the persian gulf closely. ten u.s. sailors being held. he expected them to be released this morning. as of now, they have not been released. iran demanding an apology. new developments by the minute. we'll bring you the latest, next. "ow..." "are you okay?"

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breaking news this morning. iran demanding an apology from the u.s. after seizing ten american sailors.

they are still in iranian custody. we have latest on this developing story. >> the president's final state of the union address. what he now says is one of his biggest regrets and who he targeted by name and otherwise. welcome back to early start. >> so nice to see you all this morning bright and early. breaking news this morning, iran is demanding an apoll ji after ten american sailors were captured in iranian territory waters. iran is holding the sailors. nine men and one woman in the persian gulf. over night, john kerry told dana bash the sailors would be released soon. the latest word this morning is that the u.s. sailors are being questioned. for the latest i want to bring in nick robertson. he's monitoring the situation for us from london. i'm going to be honest with you. when this broke late yesterday

afternoon, it appeared, the indications we were getting from senior administration officials was that this would be resolved quickly. these ten sailors are still in iranian custody. now iran is demanding an apology. what's the latest on when they're coming home? >> it's not clear when they're coming home. this has been a roller coaster. the hard liners in iran are in control of these sailors. they've accused them of acting unprofessionally and provocatively. they said they were on an intelligence gathering mission. that came after he heard from john kerry indicating he expected them to be released as daylight came in the region. that was many hours ago. however, this roller coaster that's gone from down to up seems to be on the down swing right now. what we're hearing from the revolutionary guard is they're saying this is being resolved

and this question about why the sailors were there which would be the most contentious issue say they understand the sailors were there because their navigation equipment was broken. it does appear as if this is on a down slide at the moment. in the past couple of hours, this has been up and down. i think we have to be cautious not to get ahead of ourselves here. but that said, it does seem to be that this is being resolved. i would bring up one thing that could guide us here. in 200715 british sailors were captured at that time it 13 days to get the british sailors back. we can see these things can play out over a period of time if the hard liners want them to. >> very quickly, from the pentagon, after news of this broke yesterday, there was word that maybe the u.s. sailors had breached iranian waters.

not out of the question that they could have been off course. a narrow water way. >> it is. the island is between the saudi arabia coast and the iranian coast. going back to the 2007 with the british, it was finally determined this was in waters that were controlled neither by iran more by iraq which was the case back then. this may be slightly different, but we've been told that possibly the sailors had navigation problems or possibly a fuel issue, possibly they had a mechanicl issues. the iranians are saying the it was a navigational issue. it's a get out clause for all sides. that's the language of deescalation. we just don't have to facts yet. >> with the timing of the sanctions being lifted, the nuclear deal moving forward here with iran, it's hard to imagine they would want an international incident to hold back what could

be billions and billions of dollars of economic stimulus. >> that's absolutely true. you've got political stakes in this as well for the foreign minister who helped negotiate a moderate -- you know, when you compare to the revolutionary guard leader. they wouldn't want to lose this. we can look at this later in a few days and look back if it's resolved and say how quickly was it resolved in what can we end. if it's resolved quickly, we can see here this real, by both the hard liners and the moderates that they want the deal up and running. the motivation is to have the money. we have to wait longer to see that. we'll get a wait and see whose leading the way. >> very interesting. nick watching these developments for us. the ten sailors are still in iranian custody. thank you, nick. the other big news overnight, the state of the

union address. president obama urged americans to turn away from the fear and tribalism that's dominated the campaign and turn to an optimistic vision for the country. we want to go to jim acosta with a recap. >> reporter: in his final state of the union address, he called on the nation to reject the politics of division. the president urged congress to pass new gun control laws, tackle climate change, and close the detention facility at guantana guantanamo. he pointed to the normalization of relations with cuba and the iran nuclear deal, but there was no mention of iran's move tuesday to detain ten american sailors. the president also took aim at the race for the white house and some vailed jobs at donald trump. he asked americans to respect the differences of their fellow citizens, including muslims. >> as frustration grows, there will be voices urging us to fall

back into our respective tribes. to scapegoat citizens who don't look like us or share the same background. we can't afford to go down that path. it won't deliver the economy we want. it will not produce the security we want. but most of all, it contradicts everything that makes us the envy of the world. >> and in one of the most emotional moments of the speech, the president called for a moon shot mission to cure cancer. it was a tribute to the vice president whose son beau died from cancer last year. >> jim at the white house. thank you for that. let's get the reaction to the state of the union. it's been pouring in. let's break it down. the speech and the response. erik bradner. so nice to see you. the president sort of tallying

up his accomplishments in the let's listen to that. >> our tauto industry had the best year ever. the united states right now has the strongest, most durable economy in the world. the united states of america is the most powerful nation on earth. period. our troops are the finest fighting force in the history of the world. gas under 2 a gallon ain't bad either. and that's why i stand here as confident as i have ever been that the state of our union is strong. thank you. >> that's the optimism we were promised from white house insiders. i love the 2 gas. he has virtually no control over $2 in gas, but it feels good. is this the optimism the white house is promising? >> it's in stark contrast to

what republican candidates are talking about. the political setting in this country right now is republicans trashing president obama's legacy every day. calling him a terrible president. and so he was kind of spiking the football here. he was really taking, you know, to use a sport's metaphor, a victory lap. if a republican president had accomplished a lot of the things president obama has on the economy, republicans would be touting it as a success. and that's the point that he was basically making here. it was a last chance for him to sort of put that in the face of this congress that's obstructed him every step of the away. >> it's interesting. you say the economy is in decline. that is a fiction. he also tried to paint the depiction that a lot of republican candidates and others are painting when it comes to the world and the battle against isis. he said that the threat, well,

though the grethreat is great, is different v different than they're saying. listen to this. >> masses of fighters on the back of pickup trucks, twisted souls plotting in apartments or garages, they pose an enormous danger to civilians. they have to be stopped. but they do not threaten our national existence. >> he said those who say it's world war iii, and those are terms we hear on the republican campaign trail, are wrong. >> yeah. he hit chris christie who has used world war iii. he hit ted cruz. president obama was basically the telling the entire republican presidential field to settle down and get a sense of proportion. that's sort of been his approach to foreign policy his entire time in office, and here he is hearing a lot of campaign attacks about ted cruz talking

about carpet bombing isis. stuff like that. president obama was basically saying the it's more complicated than that. and everything isn't the end of the world. he was trying not to dismiss the threat of isis, but definitely sort of push back against people who have portrayed him as weak and passive in the fight. >> let's talk about the south carolina governor. she gave the gop response. and she hit at her own party's front runner pretty squarely. listen to what she said. >> we need to be honest with each other and with ourselves. while democrats in washington bear much responsibility for the problems facing america today, they do in the bare it alone. there is more than enough blame to go around. we as republicans need to own this truth. we need to recognize our contributions to the erosion of the public trust in america's

leadership. >> there's that piece of sound, and there's another piece of sound where she's talking about the siren call of the angriest voices in her party. listen to this one. >> during anxious times, it can be tempting to follow the siren call of the angriest voices. we must resist that the temptation. no one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws, and love our traditions, should ever feel unwelcome in this country. >> two remarkable statements by an establishment member of the gop. >> yeah. you do not hear that sort of thing in a republican response to a state of the union, like, ever. it was really remarkable. a lot of conserve thetiatives w really angry with her after that. on twitter it was about her having an opportunity and also tried to tamp down a lot of

populous enthusiasm within the republican party right now. the conservatives think it's why they're doing well and why there's a lot of interest in the upcoming election. you heard a similar message directed at donald trump from both the president and the republican responder. so it was really striking to hear. >> absolutely. not something i've heard before where you have a republican giving a response to a democratic president but spending just as much time criticizing a republican candidate. great to have you with us. thank you so much. what about people who want to be the next president of the united states? donald trump, hillary clinton, bernie sanders, ted cruz, dramatic new developments on the democratic side of the race. new polls nationally in the key states turning things upside down.

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hillary clinton's lead slipping nationally. a new cbs poll just out shows clinton seven points ahead of sanders. last month in this poll her lead was 20 points. at a campaign event in iowa, clinton really went after sanders on numerous fronts and later she told cnn her opponent is short on substance. >> senator sanders has some very big ideas, but he hasn't yet told anybody how he would pay for them, and he has promised that he would roll out his tax plans before the iowa caucus on

february 1st. well, if you wait too long, nobody will have a chance to see them or analyze them, and so i am very clear about what i would do and how i would pay for it. >> the not the only clinton going after sanders. chelsea clinton is expected to join former president bill clinton at a campaign event in iowa this weekend. new signs donald trump holds a commanding lead. he's at 36% in the poll. up 1 point since december. kroou cruz, still second, 17 points back. the it's a different story in iowa as sara murray reports. >> reporter: the battle between cruz and trump is turning into a brawl. here in iowa, the two are neck and neck in the polls. and donald trump told the crowd here he's not too thrilled about it. >> pp came out. 28 for trump. i hate to tell you, iowa, this

is the only place that i'm doing -- let's say it's even. i'm not thrilled. we go to new hampshire with a massive lead. they're all playing for second place, supposedly. i hope that turns out to be right. i don't care who's in second place. >> reporter: campaigning here in iowa last night, trump went after cruz for his stance on ethanol and once again questioned whether cruz could be president because he was born in canad cana canada. cruz says that's only resonating with democrats? >> it starts to make you think, gosh, why are hillary's strong e est supporters backing donald trump? the past couple elections we saw the democrats thrilled they got the nominee they wanted to run guest. it seems the hillary folks are eager to support donald trump and the attacks that are being tossed my direction. >> and just yesterday cruz

ratcheted up his attacks not only going after trump on the citizenship question but also saying trump embodies new york values and saying in a head to head matchup against clinton clinton, cruz would be better off than trump. >> thank you for that. >> president obama delivering his final state of the union address. we saw how the crowd in the room reacted. what about americans at large? an interesting response. we'll call it unprecedented. we'll explain, next.

reaction pouring in this morning from candidates, analysts and pundits. what about the american people? let's go to the virtual studio to see where they agreed and disagreed with the president. >> 125,000 people joined us to let us know what they thought moment by moment. we color coded them. there were several points where they diverged. one of the areas when he brought up his nuke deal with iran. take a look. >> that's why we built a global coalition with sanctions and

prince pal diplomacy. as we speak, iran has rolled back the nuclear program, shipped out the uranium stockpile and the world has avoided another war. >> many republicans did not like that deal all along, certainly not with the current situation with the u.s. service members. the president talked also about cutting red tape. >> i think there are outdated regular you lations that need t changed. there's red tape that needs to be cut. there you go. yeah. >> you saw them all trying to come together there. that happened several times, but they never quite made it. look at what happened when he talked about education. >> we should recruit and support more great teachers for our kids. [ applause ] >> and we have to make college

affordable for every american. [ applause ] >> you saw the republicans start jumping off there as soon as he talked about affordable college because it seemed like he might have been fish biting at the government paying for more college. in the end, at no point did this order ever change. approval was always highest among the democrats, always in the middle for the independents, and always the lowest from the republicans. >> all right. tom, thank you for that. the breaks news this morning, ten american sailors detained by iran expected to be released soon. we're live with the latest details on this dramatic situation, next. ♪ (cell phone rings) where are you? well the squirrels are back in the attic. mom? your dad won't call an exterminator... can i call you back, mom? he says it's personal this time... if you're a mom, you call at the worst time. it's what you do.

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breaking news this morning. iran demanding an apology from the u.s. after seizing ten american sailors.

we are live. >> president obama in his final state of the union address. what he says is one of his biggest regrets and who he targeted from that podium. good morning, everyone. welcome to early start. >> nice to be with you this morning. it's wednesday, january 13th. it's 4:00 a.m. in the east. our breaking news this morning, iran our breaking news, iran is now emanneding an apology after the iranian national guard captured ten american sailors in territory waters. iran is still hoting those sailors. nine men, one woman, holding them on farsi island in the persian gulf. the latestest this morning is that the u.s. sailors are likely to be released soon for the latest, i want to pri in nic robertson. i got to