>> it wasn't about the key moments as it was about the key players. donald trump and ted cruz taking up so much oxygen. "the wall street journal" wrote, the problem with the other people on the stage is that they were the other people on the stage. donald trump and ted cruz delivered in a way they have not before. in the race between donald trump and ted cruz, the current republican front-runners, two things abundantly clear, truce off and game on. >> back in september my friend donald said he had his lawyers look at this from every which way. there was nothing to the birther issue. >> cruz mocked questions trump is now raising about the fact he was born in canada and even if he's eligible to run for president. >> since september, the constitution hasn't changed, but the poll numbers have. >> reporter: trump acknowledged that is part of it. >> because now he's doing a little bit better.

no, i didn't care before. >> reporter: in their most pointed exchange in this race before, he said there is more. >> here's the problem. we're running, we're running, he does great. i win. i choose him as my vice presidential candidate and the democrat sue because we can't take him along for the ride. i don't like that. okay? >> listen, i've spent my entire life defending the constitution before the u.s. supreme court and i'll tell you, i'm not going to be taking legal advice from donald trump. >> you don't have to. >> reporter: the battle moved from canada to new york in the charge from ted cruz that donald trump represents what he calls new york values. >> everyone understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal or pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage focus around money and the media. not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. i'm just saying.

>> reporter: donald trump responded in a somber way, invoking september 11th. >> everybody in the world loved new york and new yorkers. that was a very insulting statement that ted made. >> reporter: for the most part, the other candidates focused their fire on the president. >> this guy is a pet leulant. >> she's under investigation by the fbi now. her first 100 days she might be going back and forth between the white house and the courthouse. >> reporter: chris christie unleashed on marco rubio for dodging a question on entitlement. >> you had your chance. you blew it. >> reporter: marco rubio with a few minutes to spare in the debate did unleashing himself on ted cruz. >> ted cruz, you used to say you supported doubling the number of green cards. now you say you're against it. you used to support a 500% increase in guest workers, now you're against it. you used to say that you were in

favor of birth right citizenship, now you say that you are against it. >> reporter: cruz fought to respond. >> at least half of the things marco said are flat out false. they're absolutely false. >> what a night and a fabulous recap from john berman. after the debate, donald trump talking to cnn's dana bash in the spin room about tangling with ted cruz, ted cruz bashing his new york val use and his own winning performance. >> how do you think went tonight? >> i think great. every online poll has me winning from grudge to "time" to everybody. i'm happy. >> reporter: do you see ted cruz as your biggest competition? >> no. we'll see what has. i see him as competition. certainly he's competition and others are competition. all smart people up there. >> were you surprised at the way he turned the whole birther issue around and asked about your heritage? >> i think he made a mistake. first of all, he insulted 20

million new yorkers. i think he made a lot of mistakes tonight. i think it was maybe not a good performance. we'll have to see. as far as his, you know, his whole birth right and all, which is a very, very big problem. i've been watching your reporting on it. you have a lot of lawyers saying that he better get himself checked out because he's got a problem. i'm not bringing a lawsuit. the democrats will definitely bring a lawsuit. if there's a 5% chance or less than that he could lose, it's a problem. how do you pick a nominee in a year from now doesn't have the right to run. >> what about what ted cruz has said, you didn't bring this up until recently. >> because it didn't make any difference to me. i don't care. first of all, i didn't bring it up, dana. i wasn't the one that brought it up. "the washington post" asked me a question, 1 of 20. i gave them an answer. you have to be sure. i'm not sure. >> that's true but you talk about it. >> you asked me. >> i've been to your rallies.

>> i didn't bring it up over there either. it was brought up by, i guess, neil. >> how do you think the new york thing is going to play? obviously people in new york -- >> i think he made a terrible mistake when he insulted 20 million people. i was there during death and destruction. the world trade center came down, two 110-story buildings and i was there. new yorkers were the bravest people that i and many others have ever seen. i was down there the day after. i want to tell you, i've never seen a sight like it in my life. thousands of people killed, two massive buildings down. and the way new york came back from that and rebuilt and did it with grace, i mean, with just absolute grace, you can't make a comment like that about new york. and the whole world was watching. your viewers were all watching but the whole world was watching. i thought it was an amazing thing. it was the greatest attack in

our history, greater than pearl harbor. they attacked a military there. here they attacked americans. >> on the question about the loan he got from his wife's bank, goldman sachs, do you think it's a nonissue because it was "the new york times" who first reported it? >> you'll have to figure that one out. they're not making it a nonissue. he's had a million dollars, he got it from goldman sachs. don't forget goldman sachs loaned him money. when goldman sachs asks for a favor, you think possibly he'll do it for them? i think so. that's why i'm self-funding, not borrowing any money from goldman sachs. i'll put up my own money, a lot, probably $30 million, $40 million before the primaries are over. >> how much so far? >> 6, 8. we just bought $6 million worth

of ads. >> your money? >> all my money. we're 35 million under budget. i thought by probably january 1st we'll be in for $35 million. maybe even a little bit more. and i spent literally nothing. so i'm 35 million under budget. we bought a lot of ads. we went to the three states with be primarily the three states, bought a lot of ads. we'll be doing that for about five or six weeks. >> if you take it the whole way, you could have the potential to need to spend more than that. what's your creeling? >> i' i'll spend more than that unlimited. >> politics or no, wouldn't you love to be able to say that? >> i want to talk to you about what this is going to cost. i have unlimited. unlimited. >> john berman will stay with us. let's bring in maggie haberman and matt lewis.

yes, cuomo, camerota, some pacific northwest time as well. that may count. however, this moment about new york last night, matt lewis, maggie, john, we'll want your takes on it. it is the first time maybe we saw donald trump dealing not just from a position of strength but a position of sympathy. listen to this moment. >> everyone understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal or pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage focus around money and the media. not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. i'm just sayin'. >> new york is a great place. it's got great people. it's got loving people. wonderful people. when the world trade center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanely than new york.

and we rebuilt downtown manhattan and everybody in the world watched and everybody in the world loved new york and loved new yorkers and i have to tell you, that was a very insulting statement that ted made. >> matt lewis, i have to start with you. conservatives have been saying this for years, we've heard, new york does not represent america. how did you think donald trump handled that last night? >> i want to say i think ted cruz had an interesting line. not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. it was a play on words. it references from donald trump has been saying about cruz, not a lot of evangelicals come out of cuba. i don't think most people in the audience got that. it fell flat, came across as mean spirited. this is an example where donald trump had the moral high ground. he was right factually. i think trump came across eloquent and also on the right

side. but i do wonder how it's going to play in places like iowa and south carolina. where i think that ted cruz's argument that new york values are not conservative values probably resonate. so nationally speaking, i think trump wins that skirmish but in terms of the early states, maybe cruz did well. >> was it too cute by half, maggie then? not just because of the conservatives line that matt rightly points out. when you make new york about the metaphor of what this country suffered in 9/11 and the humanity of it, doesn't that trump politics on that particular issue? >> certainly did in that moment. i think what cruz was going for was a play on the evangelicals line. most people were not familiar with that line. it didn't work. cruz went with the i'm just saying which is what got laughs. trump was humble, emotional and eloquent. that's not something we usually equate with donald trump. i think it was strong an cruz

looked like a typical politician which was in contrast to what we had seen earlier in the debate when he turned a fight against trump pretty effectively. >> here's a cover of the "daily news." your thoughts? >> my thoughts on the new york primary is not very important in the republican race right now. it's a risk ted cruz clearly thinks is worth taking. he walked into this last night. donald trump said exactly what he has said over the last two days last night on that stage. those were not new lines. >> no, no. >> ted cruz who makes a lot of calculations, this guy doesn't do anything accidentally. >> part of the reason i think it was worth it for him, this is an important moment, one of the first questions out of the gate was about these loans he got from goldman sachs and citibank. to talk about and distance himself from new york was around

that as well. >> in terms of looking at the field now, right, john was talking earlier about "the wall street journal" coming out and saying the problem with the other four is that they were the other four. you had cruz and trump. i think they all looked their strongest last night that we've seen in a debate. do you think the field is now set that it's trump versus cruz and then everybody else? >> no. i think it's a three-man race, ted cruz, donald trump and marco rubio. if you watched the debate last night, it reminded me of a boxing match. you had cruz and trump, the two heavyweights in the middle of the ring punching it out. at the end you had marco rubio come in there with a flurry of punches against ted cruz, jabs, upper cuts. it was -- the funny thing is, cruz said there were 11 attacks and at least half of them were wrong, that means 5 or 6 of his attacks were right. >> matt, let's watch this. let's watch the moment where rubio hit cruz on his

flip-flopping in the senate record. watch this. >> ted cruz, you use to say you supported doubling the number of green cards. now you say you're against it. you used to support a 500% increase in the number of guest workers. now you say you're against it. yore used to support legalizing people who were here illegally. you you say you're against it. by the way, it's not just on immigration. you used to support tpa. now you say you're against it. i saw you on the senate floor flip your vote on crop insurance because they told you it would help you in iowa. that is not consistent conservatism. that is political calculation. >> all right. maggie, let's start with you. that was an effective laundry list there. how did you think that played out with cruz's retort as well? >> i think rubio by far got the better of that exchange. it was interesting. to matt's point about boxing match, you saw different people

score points throughout the night. rubio had not had a great night before that. chris christie had got the better of him at key moments. rubio was well prepared to are that moment. one of the things about rubio where he's done well is when his rivals have telegraphed the punch for two weeks ahead of time. ted cruz made clear where he was going for a long time and marco rubio has been trying to a while to make ted cruz look like just another politician who conservatives can't rely on. i thought he did well there. >> what was cruz's response to that? >> it was what matt just said, right there, half of those things weren't true. this was a case where the princeton debate champ got bested from the kid from florida. tactically, rubio waited until the end of the debate. we thought it was over. >> absolutely. >> they were in overtime at that point. rubio unleashes when there's no time for cruz to respond. cruz was left almost staggered there. one other thing about what rubio did on immigration, he showed us where he's going to take the immigration discussion in the

coming weeks. the discussion we had for the last two years, when he supported this bill when he was part of the gang of eight, it's different. now we have isis and security issues. this is why my position on immigration is different now and will be different i think for the rest of this campaign. >> the only extension of the metaph metaphor, it wasn't a boxing match, it was more like a wwe event. you did have moments where it was more than two. but at the end of the night when you think about governors christie and kasich, when you have marco rubio and you do have jeb bush, someone we haven't mentioned yet, do you see after last night an opportunity, prevote, once the vote happens, everything starts to change, where there's a chance to distinguish yourself from that group? >> i think it's called the royal rumble when they're all in the ring. >> you know too much about this. >> really. >> i really think it's becoming a three-man race. it's trump, rubio and cruz. i really felt like kasich and

jeb bush were superfulous last night. we thought there would be a libertarian lane and all these different lanes. it looks like it's an outsider lane trump has, a mainstream conservative lane that cruz has, a governing establishment lane that i think marco rubio will win. i think that's how it's shaking out right now. >> can i say one thing about that, matt? you may be right. i think the thing that's definitely true, people like you, establishment republicans want it to be a three-man race. it's very important for a huge part of the republican party right now, for marco rubio to be a viable alternative to ted cruz and donald trump. and i think that will put a lot of pressure on him to perform well in the coming days and maybe that's what's part of the step up in the debate. >> absolutely. >> matt, maggie, john, thank you very much. stick around. we have many more questions including what happens next in iowa. here's a name we haven't

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back in september, my friend donald said that he had had his lawyers look at this from every which way. there was no issue there. there was nothing to this birther issue. since september the constitution hasn't changed. but the poll numbers have. >> ted cruz unleashing a fierce defense of his citizenship last night in a heated exchange with donald trump. the two are in a dead heat for iowa. did this debate move the needle? we're joined again by maggie haberman, john berman and matt lewis. let's bring up the latest polls. ted cruz is ahead. he's at 25% to donald trump's 22% and maggie, of course, the question is, can he turn out

people -- can trump or cruz turn out people to caucus? it's what they call the ground game. here's some reporting from your newspaper, "the new york times." it says one volunteer leader enlisted by donald trump to turn out iowa voter has yet to knock on a single door or make a phone call. another is a 9/11 truther with a website claiming that the 9/11 attacks were a government conspiracy. what do we know about his ground game? >> the beliefs of the people who should be door knocking are less than whether they're door knocking at all. tripp gabriel has come up with issues, several said later they never heard from the campaign. that is a problem. one of the ways you do -- there's two issues with getting out the vote, persuasion. trump has done pretty well with that argument. get out the vote is not what take place on the day of the caucuses. >> this is experience. this is where experience comes in. that you have to know how to get

them there. >> it's also not a primary. it's caucusings. there are complicated rules. it's very different. you have to train people with how this works, showing up at the right time, what the process is. there has been some of that. we're not going to know until election day. history is rife with stories about ground games. generally speaking they have no bearing on what comes out. mitt romney's team bluffed about how great their ground game was and found out on election day that was not quite the case. >> you do not win without a strong ground game. interestingly, john berman, when it comes to ted cruz, if you talk to his people, you don't hear what you hear from a lot of media, well, his interest is that he's a real conservative. they'll talk to you about their ground game specifically in iowa all day long. they'll draw comparisons with hillary clinton and say the only reason she's a prohibitive favorite is because of the money she put in to constituencies

across this country. ted cruz has a super pac. they hired more people. does that matter most? >> it matters. it certainly matters. you're right. his ground game in iowa is substantial and is what people were talking about. i was there in july and people are talking about what kind of game they were seeing from ted cruz. it can make a difference if it's close. if for some reason there's a trump wave or cruz collapse, i'm not saying there will be either one of those things, it matters less. and also in this race, ben carso carson, can they hold on to their people. >> we've been trying to figure out if donald trump's birther arguments are having any impact on the voters in iowa. last night cruz tried to hit back on these birther claims that he might not have actual

citizenship or be qualified -- obviously he's a citizen. but be qualified to be president. here was how he explained it last night in the debate. >> the end of the day, the legal issue is quite straightforward. i would note the birther theories that donald has been relying on, some of the more extreme ones insist that you must not only be born on u.s. soil but have two parents born on u.s. soil. under that theory, not only would i be disqualified, marco rubio would be disqualified, and interestingly enough, donald j. trump would be disqualified. >> what was he talking about there and was that effective? >> ted cruz is a great debater. that was a strong man argument. maybe there are fringe people out there saying both parents had to be born in america. the real question is, do you yourself have to have been born in america to be considered a

natural-born citizen. >> the further question is do iowa voters care about it, because here's the latest poll we have. this is from wednesday, the des moines register asked about this, 15% said yes, 83% said no when asked are you bothered by cruz not born in u.s.? will that change what happened in the caucus? >> i wonder if barack obama's numbers would be similar with the same polling. i think you could make an argument if you're talking about the birther issue, reminding people that ted cruz was born in canada. once you get past that and go to the debate, i think ted cruz won that exchange. i think he did it by using humor. he had that line about the constitution hasn't changed but the polls have. to sort of point out that donald trump, of course, has an agenda by bringing it up. i think cruz marginally won the debate. i think that was a good exchange for him. >> you bring up the president, matt. the reason that cruz is having

effectiveness in dealing with this is because there's nothing to do as there was when people went after the president. you could argue there was a lot less when people went after president obama about this. this is going to be about the law after all. you can file a lawsuit, doesn't mean you're going to win it. on the politics point, you said something earlier i want you to double down on. it's a three-man race, trump, cruz, rubio. you had governors christie and kasich, jeb bush, carson who nobody is talking about, right or wrong. you don't believe there's something who can challenge rubio in a real way. they tried last night. it seemed like people were landing blows. >> you're right. i earlier forgot to mention ben carson which tells you a lot about this race and the state of it although he definitely could impact iowa by taking whatever percent presumably from ted cruz. yes, i think there's a fight to own the, quote, unquote, governing establishment lane. i think that marco rubio

eventually emerges, if anybody does. but the big story about this race is that that lane is crowded. and nobody has really completely dominated. rubio, i think is the guy who will get there. but you know, who knows. and christie, i think is giving him a run for his money. and it happened last night as well. >> all right. matt, maggie, john, thanks so much for all of the analysis. great to have you guys on. coming up, donald trump talks to "new day" about his battle to win iowa and how he thinks he fared last night. i'll give you one guess how he thinks he fared. that's at the top of the hour. you know how we play pranks on each other sometimes. this is a prank that went way too far. a wild celebration after a california nurse was told she won the powerball jackpot. sound today good to be true and it was. wait until you hear who played this prank on her.

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all of that powerball frenzy turned sour in california. a nurse was led to believe she was a newly minted millionaire but it wasn't so. you will not believe who was behind this horrible hoax. sara sidner is live in chino hills. yes, the face, it's so right. it's cringe-tastic. >> this might go down in history as the worst prank a son has ever played on his mother. that's right. her son. apparently sent her a picture said he had the winning ticket, so excited, guess what, you won,

mom. then it went fast from there. he may not have been expecting this. because from there, the place where she works, she works as a nurse with the elderly, they decided to have a press conference and talk about this. the whole place was so excited. and here is what the administrator had to say about the person who won. >> we were all talking about the powerball and who would have thought the actual winner would be here at our facility. having her win -- it couldn't happen to a nicer person. >> the only problem is it didn't happen to her. it turned out that it was a joke, a prank that her son played on her. i don't know what happen in that house. i'm afraid to know what happened in the house when she finally found out. still, the winner has not come forward. and that's not a big surprise. they have quite a while before they have to reveal themselves. although i think in this state their name does have to come out at some point. a lot of people will be trying

to get their finances together to make sure that once they put that ticket in, they have everything in order before they come in front of the public and talk about the money that they won. but the real ticket was sold at this 7-eleven. >> sara sidner, hell hath no fury like a mother scorned. >> that is horrible. >> you're the prankster. too far? >> i have never done anything like that to anybody let alone to dear old mama. >> that would not go over well. >> i don't even know where it gets into your head that this is a good idea. >> this isn't funny. >> this isn't, look, a rat's on the floor. this is somebody's whole life. that's funny. look over there. >> that's cruel. >> it's almost -- it's almost not even interesting to talk about. wow, this is a weird thing that happened because it's so mean. >> it is mean. >> we have to figure out what

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donald trump launched his unconventional campaign seven months ago tomorrow. you might say it hasn't been the most humble campaign but somehow

the bigger the shock factor, the more he becomes the republican favorite. john berman is looking at this magic wall, looking at this wild ride and how trump strategies help him resonate. we have an excellent graphic. look at this. this is the seven months since he entered the race back in june. each dot sort of represents his position in the polls. you can see it climb and climb and climb. let's go back to june and take a listen to how he started. >> mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best, their bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists and some, i assume, are good people. >> that was the point that he started. what has he done to consolidate this lead? >> this is a perfect example of what we've seen from donald trump again and again. he says something controversial. some people think it's offensive but there are enough people who say, hey, that's interesting to me, it strikes a chord. he sells and sells and sells it again. he did this last month in

december after the attacks in san bernardino. remember, he called for a ban on all muslims. he said he doesn't want any muslims entering the united states. you can see a lot of people at that point said it's crazy, offensive but after he said it, his numbers went up. >> it's interesting. he's managed to fend off other candidates who have come after him, sort of poking the bear if you will. what has he managed to do here? >> i'm old enough to remember when ben carson was leading in the national polls, back in november, neck and neck with donald trump. what does donald trump do? donald trump talks about carson's biography, the complicated path when he said he was angry in his youth. >> it's in the book where he has a pathological temperament. that's a big problem. you don't cure that. as an example, they say you don't cure a child molester. you don't cure these people. >> we saw it from donald trump for about a full week. he was doing the dramatic

re-enactments on stage where he was stabbing himself in the belt buckle. it wasn't the only thing that hurt carson's campaign but he fed the discussion. >> ted cruz has been one of the sources of his attacks. last night, some of the fiery moments came from a back and forth. >> said there is a serious question as to whether or not ted can do this, okay? there are other attorneys that feel and very, very fine constitutional attorneys that feel because he was not born on the land, he cannot run for office. >> he continues to hit hard about this. whether he is a natural-born -- i was about to say a natural-born canadian. >> if they do, donald trump will find something else to talk about. just since december, december

donald trump was talking about banning muslims. the new year, he was talking about bill clinton's sex life. now every day on the stump it's ted cruz was born in canada. and where are we right now? take a look at the polls, the latest "wall street journal"/nbc news poll, donald trump, look at that, in june 32% of people said they could support donald trump for the nomination in their wildest dreams. now it's up to 65%. you have republicans who said he'll never win saying you know what, maybe he could. you even have some republicans, ari fleischer, geor said there'% chance donald trump will be the nominee. >> going back to this, this is a snapshot of the last seven months. things change vastly. we're a few days away from the primary. you think this is going to continue to -- >> nothing has stopped it yet. now, with some candidates in

some campaigns, this would be a time when an opponent would drop research. some negative story. they've been out there for years. it's hard to imagine anything deflating his standing right now. >> john berman, fantastic use of the magic wall. you get an a-plus. >> donald trump talks to "new day" about how he fared last night. he'll talk about his rivalry with ted cruz and his plan to win in iowa. on to another top story, is iran thumbing its nose at the united states? americans are angry after seeing videos of sailors in detention earlier this week. will this poison any goodwill in the u.s./iran relationship? "why are you checking your credit score?"

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these sailors. it was almost seens aan act of war. then it was criticized that everything iran did was wrong and the u.s. is weak and that's why this all happened. it was never properly analyzed. let's do that now. cnn military analyst retired general james spider marks is with us. you have two boats, maybe something happens, maybe something doesn't. the unknown is wouldn't the military be in contact with these boats? wouldn't they know if one became disabled, were in the wrong place? why are these questions? shouldn't they know all these things at this point? >> absolutely. there should be situational awareness is what you call it, where you have an idea of where your assets, your ships are located. the command ship, wherever that existed, that was in the gulf at

that time specifically for that mission had awareness that this ship, one of the ships was in distress and that it had a problem, closing, trying to milwaukee a movement, that it was directing a ship or asset to get close to see what was going on. the challenge, i would suggest at this point, there probably was distance between what that rescue vessel, whatever it looked like, might have been an aircraft, in order to get a situation to get a little bit of a firsthand view of what was beginning on. these are standard operating procedureses. the navy does this better than anything else. can't sayer with were in territorial waters. don't know the other circumstances. >> well, you did hear the sailor saying whether they were under duress or not, they said this is a mistake, we were in the wrong place. when you look at what was done

here, do you see that this as iran doing everything wrong or is this something better than that? >> well, clearly iran overreacted. you didn't have to have the sailors in a position of distress. you didn't have to videotape that. that's almost taking advantage of a situation. look, you have a ship that's inextreme inextremess. let's assume there isn't a form of a larger challenge. by the way, the larger construct is a $100 billion deal that's in the offing. it's imminent. iran is awaur of thre of that, the iranian sailor level, not certain what they clearly know. this is the islamic, the republican guard that exists within iran. they run the military. i would assume there's quite a bit of awareness. they knew exactly what they were doing and overreacted and made this big media splash which could have been avoided.

they didn't have to do that. >> do you think the reason the iranians reacted so quickly in terms of releasing and being in contact with the state department is because they're waiting on their $150 billion, do you think that's what this is about? >> i'm smiling, chris. absolutely. that's the big elephant in the room at this discussion right now. clearly the iranians were aware of that. clearly they wanted to get these sailors back. i would cynically say at some point the irgc said holy moly, what did we do? we captured two ships? no, we don't want to do that. let's get these guys back. we have a bigger issue here. we don't want to mess that up with this incident. >> do you see this situation as leverage or lack of leverage? wouldn't that be leverage? why are so many saying this is proof that the u.s. is weak because look how iran messes

with the u.s. iran has been messing with the u.s. since i was born. that's nothing new. do you say this as a good sign or a bad sign at least in terms of how it ended? >> yes, well, the result is a good result. let's cut to the chase on that. and we're all -- we're all very, very thankful the sailors are back and unharmed. the leverage is $150 billion check we're going to stroke. we're not stroking a check immediately. we're reducing and eliminating some procedures so iran can have access to international trade more folsul fullsomely and leve their debt, et cetera. that idea is our ability to facilitate iran's ability to open up its doors. hopefully we can track that clearly and aggressively as possible. at the end of the day, this is a nuclear deal that has to be tightly controlled. so the result is positive. it's an unfortunate circumstance. the narrative could be wither

american influence, of course, that's a strong narrative that's out there right now during this election year. and this simple incident is unfortunate. but let's not make it more than what it is. >> general spider marks, thank you very much. appreciate the perspective as always. >> thank you, chris. huge showdown last night. the rains were up there, many were shining at their most bright. who won? who lost? there's a lot of news. let's get to it. we are going to kick your rear end out of the white house come this fall. >> we need to unite behind the winner so we can defeat hillary clinton because she is a disaster. >> when i'm president of the united states we are going to win this war on isis. >> there was nothing to this birther issue. >> you become the nominee, who the hell knows if you can serve in office. >> do you see ted cruz as your biggest competition right now? >> no, not really. i think it was a terrible thing to insult 20 million new yorkers. text messages between el

chapo and mexican actress cate del castillo, i'll take care of you more than my own eyes. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning, welcome back to "new day." the bromance between donald trump and ted cruz appears to be over. the republican rivals going after each other face to face for the first time over the birther claum eer claims and wh york values are good or evil. >> donald trump will be talking to "new day" about how he fared last night and how he plans to beat ted cruz. who came out ahead in the debate? where does the race go from here? good questions. let's answer them. we have john berman joining us now with a look at the key moments of the debate. john, what did you see and hear? >> less than three weeks to iowa. nearly two weeks to iowa which is not nearly enough time to stay friends, if you're ted cruz and donald trump. that's what we saw on stage last night.

energy and not good energy between these two front-runners. in the race between donald trump and ted cruz, the current republican front-runners, two things abundantly clear, truce off and game on. >> back in september my friend donald said he had his lawyers look at this from every which way. there was nothing to the birther issue. >> reporter: cruz mocked questions trump is now raising about the fact he was born in canada and whether he is even eligible to run for president. >> since september, the constitution hasn't changed, but the poll numbers have. >> reporter: trump acknowledged yes, that is part of it. >> because now he's doing a little bit better. no, i didn't care before. >> reporter: in their most pointed exchange in this race so far, he said there is more. >> here's the problem. we're running, we're running, he does great. i win. i choose him as my vice presidential candidate and the

democrat sue because we can't take him along for the ride. i don't like that. okay? >> listen, i've spent my entire life defending the constitution before the u.s. supreme court and i'll tell you, i'm not going to be taking legal advice from donald trump. >> you don't have to. >> reporter: the battle moved from canada to new york in the charge from ted cruz that donald trump represents what he calls new york values. >> everyone understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal or pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage focus around money and the media. not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. i'm just saying. >> reporter: trump responded uncharacteristically somber by invoking september 11th. >> we rebuilt after september 11th. everybody in the world watched and loved new yorkers. i have to tell you, that was a very insulting statement that ted made.

>> reporter: for the most part, the other candidates focused their fire on the president. >> this guy is a petulant child. >> reporter: and hillary clinton. >> she's under investigation by the fbi now. her first 100 days she might be going back and forth between the white house and the courthouse. >> reporter: chris christie unleashed on marco rubio for dodging a question on entitlement. >> you had your chance. you blew it. >> reporter: marco rubio with a few minutes to spare in the debate did some unleashing himself on ted cruz. >> ted cruz, you used to say you supported doubling the number of green cards. now you say you're against it. you used to support a 500% increase in guest workers, now you say you're against it. you used to support legalizing people that were here illegally. you you say you're against it. you used to say that you were in favor of birth right citizenship, now you say that you are against it. >> reporter: cruz fought to respond. >> at least half of the things marco said are flat out false. they're absolutely false.

donald trump talked to dana bash in the spin room. >> who do you think won? >> i see him as competition. he's competition and others are competition. all smart people up there. >> were you surprised at the way he turned the whole birther issue around and asked about your heritage? >> i think he made a mistake. first of all, he insulted 20 million new yorkers. i think he made a lot of mistakes tonight. i think it was maybe not a good performance. we'll have to see. as far as his, you know, his whole birth right and all, which is a very, very big problem. i've been watching your reporting on it. you have a lot of lawyers saying

that he better get himself checked out because he's got a problem. i'm not bringing a lawsuit. the democrats will definitely bring a lawsuit. if there's a 5% chance or less than that he could lose, it's a problem. how do you pick a nominee in a year from now that doesn't have the right to run. >> what about what ted cruz has said, you didn't bring this up until recently? >> because it didn't make any difference to me. i don't care. first of all, i didn't bring it up, dana. i wasn't the one that brought it up. "the washington post" asked me a question, 1 of 20. i gave them an answer. you have to be sure. i'm not sure. >> that's true but you talk about it at pretty much every stop. >> you asked me. i didn't bring it up. >> i've been to your rallies when you talked about it. >> i didn't bring it up over there either. it was brought up by, i guess, neil. >> how do you think the new york thing is going to play? obviously people in new york -- >> i think he made a terrible statement when he insulted 20 million people. i was there during this death

and destruction. the world trade center came down, two 110-story buildings and i was there. new yorkers were the bravest people that i and many others have ever seen. i was down there the day after. i want to tell you, i've never seen a sight like it in my life. thousands of people killed, two massive buildings down. and the way new york came back from that and rebuilt and did it with grace, i mean, with just absolute grace, you can't make a comment like that about new york. and the whole world was watching. your viewers were all watching but the whole world was watching. i thought it was an amazing thing. it was the greatest attack in the history of our nation, greater than pearl harbor. at least there they attacked the military. here they attacked civilians in a building. i think it was a terrible thing to insult 20 million new yorkers. >> on the question about the loan he got from his wife's bank, goldman sachs, do you think it's a nonissue because it was "the new york times" who first reported it?

>> you'll have to figure that one out. that's a different issue. that's something that's easy. they're not making it a nonissue. he's had a million dollars, he got it from goldman sachs. don't forget goldman sachs loaned him money. when goldman sachs asks for a favor, you think possibly he'll do it for them? i think so. that's a problem right there. that's why i'm self-funding, not borrowing any money from goldman sachs. i'll put up my own money, a lot, i'll be putting up probably 30 million, $40 million before the primaries are over. >> so far? >> probably 6, 8. yes. we just bought about $6 million worth of ads. >> your money? >> all mine, 100%. >> 30 or 40 is what you expect. what's the ceiling? >> we're 35 million under budget. i thought by probably january 1st we'd be in for $35 million, maybe even a little bit more. i spent literally nothing. so i'm 35 million under budget. we bought a lot of ads.

we went to the three states, primarily the three states, bought a lot of ads. we'll be doing that for about five or six weeks. >> if you take it the whole way, you could have the potential to need to spend more than that. what's your ceiling? >> unlimited. i have a lot. unlimited. thank you. >> we have so much to talk about this morning. let's bring in cnn political commentator and host of cnn's "smerconish," michael smerconish, hugh hewitt and donald trump supporter, jeffrey lord. hugh, i want to get your take on the debate. after the debate you tweeted out #open convention. does that mean you think there were that many winners? >> yes, it does, exactly, alisyn. donald trump and marco rubio took the gold last night, winning their respective fights. ted cruz and chris christie were not far behind them and jeb bush is hanging in there. i will say, though, donald trump crushed it on new york values

but ted cruz crashed it on eligibility. marco rubio got on base every time if i can mix metaphors and chris christie had solid at-bats as well. i go back to the analogy i've used all along, joe frazier/muhammad ali, fought three big fights in the '70s, frazier won the first, ali won the second and the third and were both punched out in the end. they have iowa, new hampshire and south carolina ahead. greatest race of my lifetime, donald trump won his race, marco rubio won his. >> all right. michael, do you agree with that assessment? what were your takeaways. >> i good he in part and disagree in part. the first thing i want to say, each of the individuals on that stage has upped their game. i sat back last night and i took a look and reflected on where we began back in the summer in that first debate. i think they've all significantly improved. and that needs to be acknowledged. there were no knockout blows. i want to say something. i'm glad jeffrey lord is paying

attention. i've never said this, donald trump won last night. i have to give him credit. he was strong. he usually gets fatigued by the end of the debates. i inste instead, i think he came on stronger. the new york city answer was excellent. the point was never to knock ted cruz out of the race, it was to knock him off balance. he's succeeded in so far as the last two weeks have been all about this. finally with regard to the establishment class win disagree with hugh. i give it to john kasich. i think he distinguished himself last night. i look at that monmouth survey in new hampshire and think he's the one who could emerge in new hampshire. >> jeffrey, one of the big headlines from last night is that the bromance between ted cruz and donald trump appears to be over. are these guys broken up for good? >> no, not necessarily. but this had to come at some point. only one person is going to win

this. bromances are not going to survive any kind of election situation like this. so i really think this was inevitable. the problem, i think, first of all, no question, donald trump i thought won this debate. my friend michael is dead on correct here. and i think his new york answer was tremendous. you know, most of my family is from new york. that's certainly resonated with me. i suspect it resonated with people who are not from new york. but the problem, i think for senator cruz with this eligibility question, donald trump isn't saying you are not a citizen. he's saying the democrats will sue and say that. that's correct. there's just no question here that if ted cruz is on that ticket, one way or another, that there will be a lawsuit. so i think that's -- that's a definite problem. >> hugh, hold on, jeffrey. you're shaking your head dismissively. do you think that issue was dispensed with last night? >> it's dead. it's done. i called up my law partner

yesterday, former federal judge, he's a federal judge, steven larson, used to run the united states attorney's office, organized crime division, sat on the u.s. district court for six years for george w. bush. judge larson, is there any there there? he said the lawsuits would be dismissed immediately for political questions. you have a bunch of law professors who love to see their name in op-eds. donald trump is right to talk about laurence tribe. but ted cruz says laurence tribe is a hillary clinton supporter who is trying to cause trouble. i could sue chris cuomo for bringing up the browns every week. i would get thrown out of court. i trust judge larson. that issue is dead. nevertheless, donald trump won the debate. >> hugh, respectfully, i mean, i would probably agree with you and your judge friend on this but the point is, the political

point, there would be a suit. there would be headlines. there would be time wasted. that's the problem. >> no. no, there won't. >> michael, be the tiebreaker. is this going to go on? does this have legs 0 are was it done last night? >> i don't think it's about the legality or his eligibility. again, right now, i'm sure donald trump is watching this and chuckling because here we are again debating an issue that frankly is not the crux of what he's trying to say. what i think is going on here is that he's trying to paint ted cruz much like he painted barack obama, as an other. he's not one of us. he was born somewhere else. and every day we talk about this, i think he underscores that with a handful of folks in iowa. >> i want to go to you, hugh. i saw you sort of scoff when michael smerconish said that kasich turned in a great performance. let's talk about some of the other people on stage beyond cruz and trump. what did you think of john

kasich, chris christie, jeb bush, hugh? >> john kasich is my governor, my friend. i have american values. the john kasich did very well with what he planned to do. he is doggedly sticking to the experience card. he brings up the same script. it must work in town halls in new hampshire that i don't go to and he must be banking on it. because he does not depart from it. it doesn't play for me on television. i don't think it plays for the national audience. i don't think it plays in iowa. maybe it plays in new hampshire. dr. carson has faded. i don't see him as being a force in this. jeb bush almost faded but he climbed back into the ring a couple of times. very defendatally when he brougp our muslim friends in indonesia. the big four, there's one tier at the top, trump, cruz, rubio and christie and the top two are trump and rubio with ted cruz,

has a rematch coming up next week with donald trump. i expect more sparks. >> michael, i know you always have your white board of who's up, who's down. who do you think moved the needle last night? >> i think that donald trump probably held firm in iowa. it all comes down, i think, to whether he can turn those folks out at a caucus. they're not going to sit on their sofas, check a box and put it in the mail. do they have the requisite passion to translate into votes? i think that marco rubio, he's great on his feet. going after ted cruz, though, perhaps in the 11th hour last evening, i don't think it's wise strategy. to the extent that he brings cruz down a notch or two, i don't think it's to his benefit i think he's helping donald trump. i stand firm with what i said earlier, relative to john kasich. i believe he's most adult like on that stage and he's hindered only by his reluctance to be a bomb thrower is what you need to do unfortunately in this primary. >> let's finish with this about the ground game.

so do you have confidence that donald trump is going to be able to turn people out in iowa to the caucuses because slogans are great, his performance in the debate, great, people say that he won last night. but of course it all comes down to whether or not people are willing to go out in the cold and be organizing caucus. >> that's right. someone send a tweet to me a couple weeks ago of people attending a donald trump rally in iowa. and the line was out this auditorium around the block. the tag line was, by the way, it's 25 degrees here. that indicates to me a degree of passion with trump folks that you would think would lead them to turn out. i mean, if they're turning out and standing in the cold to go to a rally, i suspect they might do the same. we're going to find out. we're never going to know until we get to the night of. >> absolutely. >> one last thing about governor christie. i was surprised he denied he supported judge sotomayor for

the supreme court. i happened to write a column about this last week. he said if he were president obama he wouldn't have appointed her. after listening to her testimony in front of the senate judiciary committee, he was all for her. >> i see you nodding, michael. did he catch cruz in some flip-flops? >> youio, there's a journalist in new jersey named matt katz who has covered more about chris christie than anybody else. i tweeted him in the midst of the debate relative to planned parenthood. i wanted to be reminded of the facts. chris christie flat out denies having written a check to planned parenthood. look at the star ledger. they've written exhaustively on the subject. i think he'd do better, if he said, yes, at one point in my life that was my perspective but i've changed, here's why. >> what about when marco rubio

went down that sort of litany of things that he said ted cruz had flip-flopped his positions on. >> using my boxing analogy in the 15th round, marco rubio laid one on ted cruz. here's the deal about fact checkers. nick kristof, terrific columnist for "the new york times," tweeted out something. of all those two, the best command presence last night was donald trump and marco rubio. i keep marveling at how donald trump can dominate a television screen. he reaches through the screen sometimes and you know you're back on celebrity apprentice. it's an amazing skill set. whether or not he said 45% or not or whether or not chris christie said i like sotomayor, whether ted cruz said this or that, none of that stuff matters

when you go to vote. what matters is who can beat hillary clinton. that's the bottom line for republican voters. my friends here, both are going to support, i assume, i don't know about michael, we'll decide who's going to vote -- who can beat hillary clinton and right now, that's open question. >> fact checking doesn't matter. we have to -- >> when somebody says the facts don't matter, if someone says the facts don't matter -- >> i didn't say that. i said fact checkers don't matter. >> you said fact checking doesn't matter, truer words during this election. michael, hugh, jeffrey, thank you so much. you see soon. she wasn't on the main stage but coming up in our next hour we will speak with republican presidential candidate carly fiorina about how she did last night. breaking news in to cnn. the coast guard says two military aircraft have gone down after colliding just north of hawaii's oahu island.

there's a search under way for personnel. let's bring in pentagon correspondent barbara starr. what do we know? >> reporter: this information just breaking at the pentagon this morning. what we do know, about 4:00 a.m. eastern time, the coast guard in hawaii got a call in from the marine corps, telling them they believe there had been a midair collision of two aircraft. the search now under way as you say, off the north shore of oahu island. they are looking by the coast guard for the possibility of 12 people. each aircraft believed to have had six on board. it is believed that they did collide somehow. the information coming in very sketchy but the coast guard spokesman tells cnn they have located a debris field, they believe they've seen an empty life raft, the possibility of a fire. a difficult situation, still dark, of course, out in hawaii.

but a full search now under way. two aircraft colliding, believed to be a total of 12 on board those two aircraft. chris? >> again, we are being told as barbara just reported, they are searching a debris field, they have seen an empty life raft. barbara, please pass any information along so we can get it out. is the bromance over? maybe, we don't know but the push for iowa is certainly stick picking up steam. did ted cruz put the birther issue to bed last night during the debate? we'll ask a backer of ted cruz. the lowest taxes in decades, and university partnerships, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in utica, where a new kind of workforce is being trained. and in albany, the nanotechnology capital of the world. let us help grow your company's tomorrow, today

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another big night, fair to say the candidates were all on their game on the main stage. the real fight was front and center and it went all night long. ted cruz and donald trump, here's some of their sparring. >> i recognize that donald is dismayed that his poll numbers are falling in iowa. but the facts and the law here are really quite clear. under long-standing u.s. law, the child of a u.s. citizen born abroad is a natural-born citizen. i would note that the birther

theories that donald has been relying on, some of the more extreme ones insist that you must not only be born on u.s. soil but have two parents born on u.s. soil under that theory, not only would i be disqualified, marco rubio would be disqualified, bobby jindal would be disqualified and interestingly enough, donald j. trump would be disqualified. >> in iowa now as you know, ted, in the last three polls i'm beating you. you shouldn't misrepresent how well you're doing with the polls. you don't have to say that. i was all for you until you started do inge that. that's a misrepresentation. number one. number two, this isn't me saying it. i don't care. i think i'm going to win fair and square. thank you. laurence tribe, and numerous of harvard said there is a serious question as to whether or not ted can do this, okay? there are other attorneys who

feel, very, very fine constitutional attorneys that feel because he was not born on the land, he cannot run for office. here's the problem. we're running, we're running, he does great. i win. i choose him as my vice presidential candidate and the democrats sue because we can't take him along for the ride. i don't like that. okay? >> why are you raising this issue now? >> because now he's doing a little bit better. no, i didn't care before. no, it's true. >> hey, look, he never had a chance. he has probably a 4% or 5% chance now that he's doing better. >> you want to respond? >> i spent my entire life defending the constitution between the u.s. supreme court. i tell you, i'm not going to be taking legal advice from donald trump. >> you don't have to. take it from laurence tribe. take it from your professor, your law professor. >> the chances of litigation proceeding and succeeding on

this are zero. >> he's wrong. >> and mr. trump is focused on larry tribe. let me tell you who larry tribe is. he's a left wing judicial activist harvard law professor who was al gore's lawyer in bush versus gore. he's a major hillary clinton support enand there's a reason why hillary supporters are echoing donald's attacks on me. hillary wants to face donald trump in the general election. >> he's not the only one. there are many lawyers. >> you very kindly just a moment ago offered me the vp slot. i'll tell you what, if this all works out, i'm happy to consider naming you as vp and if you happen to be right, you could get the top job at the end of the day. >> i like that. i like it. i'd ask kr consider it. but i think i'll go back to building buildings if it doesn't

work out. >> i'm serious, they were out last night in a way they haven't been before. who won, who didn't? what will this mean in iowa? let's discuss with iowa congressman, steve king, chairman of the conservative opportunity society, has endorse ted cruz for president. happy new year. haven't seen y you since the new year. good to have you on. how did you feel that the texas senator, ted cruz, did in a authenticating his eligibility and how did he do the rest of the night? >> i thought that exchange you had just run, we're laughing at how deftally that was handled. i read the scholarship on this and the constitutional components of it. i believe ted cruz is 100% right on this. he handled it well, he showed his sense of humor and intellect. when he offered to consider

donald trump the vice presidency, he closed the argument very well. when trump said i'll go back to building buildings, that was a retreat from that engagement. that didn't mean trump would stay out of the engagements with cruz for the rest of the night, however. on that one, that's what closed it up, when trump said i'll go back to building buildings. it's important to understand what a natural-born citizen is. that is this, there's two ways to be a citizen of the united states. you're either natural-born or naturalized. no one challenges cruz's citizenship. that's stipulated and so the question is, is he natural-born or naturalized? because he is not naturalized by defeat he's a natural-born citizen. that's what our founding fathers had in mine when they put that into our constitution. they wanted to make sure a president was raised with american experience. they didn't write that stipulation in there, raised with american experience so the

allegiance would to be this country. >> i have to say, looking at the law as we all are right now, as a lawyer myself, it's interesting to hear you talking about the founders when we both know that this was designed for a very different time that never contemplated this. this was about who could run for president back then, assuming that most of the men hadn't been born in america yet because she was so young. that said, most lawyers are exactly where you are on the conclusion. the other big blow last night was about new york values. we both know that saying new york values is often pejorative in politics. donald trump seemed to win over the audience and a lot of people watching by defending new york. how did you feel about that? you've come to new york. i've seen you here. you have good ties in this city.

do you think the senator, ted cruz, went too far? >> i didn't think he went too far until i saw donald trump's reaction, then i thought it would have been better on the part of ted cruz not to have had that exchange. it was one of the times where you saw donald trump actually show you more of his heart than we've seen on the campaign trail. he meant what he said. you could tell he was reliving some of the pain of september 11th, 2001. but he really flipped that. ted cruz didn't go there but donald trump elected to go into the september 11th and the damage and suffering and thousands of people that were killed. he turned that into an emotional component of the debate. i believe that was good for trump. i sent out a tweet saying i thought it was a terrific debate. it was like ali versus frazier. those were classical fights. i think ali won on points, if he didn't score the blows below the

belt. when some of those punches were a little below the belt when he brought up september 11th because there's no way to defend yourself from that. that wasn't the topic. he adopted it and brought it in. i don't think the perception was and most people caught it that way. >> if ali and frazier is your analogy, we have trouble. ali took two out of three. >> cruz is ali. >> good fix. >> sorry. yes, that's how i had it in mine. ali was so precise, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. he had the tools to work with. frazier went in there and slugged it out, doing it by heart. that's how i see those two. i think trump slugs it out and lands some body blows but i think that the one that floats and stings really is ted cruz. >> nobody understands the ground game in iowa better than you. ted cruz is known to have a

strong ground game. they dedicated a lot of resources. is it true that donald trump isn't strong on the ground there? that is the speculation. it's hard to quantify. what do you know? >> well, i pick up network discussion of the political network in iowa. we have people over most of the state that are wired in with people all over the state. i would say this, cruz's headquarters and ground game are bee hives of activity. the phones, it's hard to get a phone to be able to get in and volunteer and make calls because there are other volunteers that want to do that, too. a lot of people have come up from texas to pour in on that. he has his bunk house. i overheard a conversation when i was on the bus with him last week, how are they going to house the volunteers? they've run out of room. you pick up information out of trump's headquarters that there are a few people in there working but it's not a bee hive

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there are many, many wonderful working men and women in the state of new york but everyone understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal or pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage focus around money or the media. i guess i can frame it another way. not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. i'm just sayin'. >> all right. that was the end, the heated exchange between donald trump and ted cruz about new york values. on the phone to respond is new york governor andrew cuomo. good morning, governor. >> good morning. >> how do you define new yorkers. >> the exact opposite thing you heard last night coming out of

ted cruz's mouth. not only what he said is anti-new york, it's anti-american, allison. i think it's sad, disturbing for all americans, not just for new york. he is practicing the politics of division. he's trying to divide people. he's trying to divide this country. it doesn't work. in 30 seconds he offended gays, he offended women, he offend 18 million people and he offended one of the largest congressional delegations in this country. you can't govern like that. you can't win a campaign like that. he's only getting worse and the discussion is only degenerating. >> but governor, you -- cruz isn't alone. i mean, much of america agrees with him. you really can't say that new york city necessarily shares the same values as say cincinnati or

dallas or kansas city. new york is more liberal than other places in the heartland, isn't it? >> you think the rest of the country is anti-gay, alisyn? >> very clever, governor. the point is, they have different values. they're on a different part of the political spectrum. you know that. >> no. what he said -- he was offensive to gays. i don't believe this country is hostile to gays. i don't believe it's hostile to women and the concept of this country is, we accepted people from different religions, different countries and we made one, e plplurabas unam. all in, we form one country, one nation. this is the opposite. i'm going to try to divide us one by one, pro choice women

from anti-choice women, straight people from gay people. it's disturbing and it doesn't work. this is why this country is gridlocked, alisyn. >> governor -- >> the division is polarizing people. >> governor, what did you think of donald trump's response where he invoked 9/11? >> well, 9/11, to your point, people have a negative feelings toward new york. you never saw a more nationally unifying moment than 9/11. the entire country showed up for new york. so as a symbol of the unity that this country believes in, which is opposite the rhetoric you're hearing, 9/11 is one of the symbols of that. >> governor, we know you, of course, are a champion 6 new yo york. we appreciate you sharing your strong passion. >> i found it very upsetting if

you can't tell by the way. >> i am picking up what you're putting down. you were very upset about it. we appreciate you weighing in on this and sharing your perspective. thanks so much. >> thank you. there are questions stirring about iran with the deal set to take effect this weekend. we're talking to a former u.s. ambassador to iraq, next. you both have a

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korea in 1968 where they held people prisoner for 11 months, i think we ought to be thankful this incident was over in less than 24 hours. if they wanted to make a real issue out of this, they would have held these people a long time and sought to embarrass us in this election period as has been done in the past. frankly, i think they wanted to get it over with just as quickly as we did. and with a bit of good diplomacy between secretary kerry and his iranian counterpart they did just that. >> everyone is relieved that it didn't last long and it was only a 24-hour incident, however, people do see it differently than you go, including the gop candidates. they talked about it at the debate. they think it was an embarrassment to the u.s. they went so far as to say it was a violation of the geneva conventions. do you agree? >> i'm not certain. i don't know all the circumstances of the case. i don't know under what circumstances these people were holding up their hands.

was it when the boat was first boarded by iranians or what? all that will come out in the investigation. but i think that loses sight of the strategic point about quickness of the release. again, i'm not saying that iran behaved perfectly by any means. i know we would not have done that in similar circumstances. so in that sense, it is definitely an embarrassing episode. it passed so quickly that i think we have to deep our eyes on that rather key strategic fact. >> well, but the fact that their inclination was to humiliate the u.s. or to at least exploit these sailors on video, what does that say for any goodwill between the u.s. and iran? >> i'm not expecting a great deal of goodwill between our two countries. i think this agreement has got to be implemented. they seem to be supplying so far. we'll have to verify it every step of the way.

there are strong international verification mechanic ssmmechan. they've taken steps with the centrifuges they have to get rid of some of the hoo ihighly enri uranium. this is a business-like and important deal that is, at the very least, delaying the development of their military nuclear program. you and i know that it's going to be a number of years before we know whether or not they ultimately choose to develop a military program or not. but for the moment, that's on suspension and that's a positive thing. >> so you believe that if they weren't about to get this cash infusion with sanctions being lifted this week that this could have ended very differently? >> people have speculated that. i do believe that is a zunkt possibility. let's say we hadn't had the nuclear negotiations and we were still in a relationship of much higher tension between the two

countries. it's utterly -- it's completely conceivable they would have held on to these people for a longer amount of time. i have no doubt about that. and jeb's father, former governor of new hampshire, john sununu.

did you see the debate? donald trump and ted cruz trading blows about birther. but it went way beyond that as well. what about jeb bush. what about chris christie. what distinguished themselves last night and who wound up being relegated to a secondary

position. for perspective, former dheef of staff john sununu. >> good morning chris. >> what did you think watching the debate last night? everybody is casting it as a two man battle now. cruz versus trump. maybe rubio collimes up. how do you see it? >> well there was a lot of energy last night. and i think it was because the candidates are beginning to understand that at least for a while longer, if not even longer than while, the republican voters are saying show me your anger. and that anger is supposed to and is in fact trumping -- using that verb, trumping either philosophy or position. so i think that brought out the energy last night. i think the only thing that was really new though was neil cavuto getting out of trump that he might impose a 45% tariff on

chinese goods and then bush jumped in, jeb jumped in and i think correctly pointed out that if you did that the chinese but retaliate with the equivalent tariff and that would hurt agricultural exports and boeing out of south korea, their aircraft exports. so it would be interesting to see if anybody ends one an ad using that factoid in iowa. >> you have not formally endorse bud you have been outspoken of your support of jeb bush. he's been unable to get traction despite all the money, despite all of the effort and media opportunities increasing as well. why do you think that is? why do you think jeb bush hasn't been able to catch on? >> well i've been supporting the idea that the republicans ought to choose amongst the governors that you mentioned at the beginning. and jeb certainly is one of them. and i think he'd be a very good president. i think has problem has been

that he -- in a way his problem is that he knows too much about the issues. and when you ask him a question, he tends to go too much into details rather than giving you an answer that kicks off a positive emotional response. and he's getting better at it. i thought he did a little better job at that last night. but i think in this campaign where on the republican side it is anger and on the democratic side it is what i call a pander fest, where the candidates are soliciting votes by telling people what they are going to do for them and what they are going to do against the others so to speak. this is an emotional campaign on both sides. and i adjust don't think the governors that are running who have prided themselves on the quality of their performance back in their state have been able to get beyond talking about performance and really reflecting the anger and the emotion that the voters want to see right now. >> governor, isn't that defact by definition pandering that you

know people are angry so that is what you do is stoke their anger the entire time and when you talk about others who's been bringing them up other moren the the republican candidates. villainizing others. >> at least upsetting me as the republican that the republican voters are giving browny point, positive points for that kind of an emotional campaign. and as i say i've been trying to urge folks to pay attention to philosophy and positions. and performance and capacity to accomplish things. because i've scared to death, chris. that if we end up with a pair of campaigns that are purely emotional in base, that you are going to end up with a third party candidate and it will be a real circus. >> i was pushing back. you had said the democrats were pandering i would argue they are playing to anger. and certainly that is happening

more on the right than the left at least for now. here is an iron -- >> i was talking about economic pandering. >> i got you. thank you for the clarification. the biggest in a moment for trump last night may have been something that is very ironic given what we're discussing as context. he won on the new york values criticism from ted cruz. he did it by talking about inclusion. by talking about the sweetness of strength in the worst of times. speak to that irony, that donald trump, someone who's been stoking anger as much as anybody, actually wound up winning last night by being inclusive and showing the sweetness of strength. and is that a message to what he should be about and what the campaign should be about going forward? >> well it was a very good move on his part. i this i cruz blew the point he was trying to make. i think cruz was trying to point out trump's history of being liberal. and not a conservative. and now in this campaign trump is trying to talk as the conservative.

i think he made -- cruz made a serious mistake from the get go starting about a week ago or a few days ago when he threw out that phrase. that is not a good phrase to use. and you are right. trump pointed out that after 911, new york showed its better side. and as you know i grew up in new york and i understood that answer very well. >> governor sununu, thank you very much. we started the campaign with you being highly skeptical of trump's longevity and yet still he's here. >> amazing. >> we look forward to your take as we closer and closer to supertuesday. >> thank you krist. >> a lot more on the debate. there were more than two people on the stage and there was a debate for it and once again carly fiorina scored big. she said things that people are talking about today. let's get to it. >> who the hell knows if you can even serve in office.

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cruise? not to much. going after each on birther and what new york is all about and whether the people there are good. back and forth dominating the debate for sure. >> and who came out ahead? let's begin our coverage with john berman. he joins us with a look at the key moments. >> the key moments were really the dee players. donald trump and ted cruz. no question about it. the "wall street journal" wrote this morning the problem with the others on the stage is that they were the others on the stage. it was hard to break through and we saw a very new dynamic of the between donald trump and ted cruz. >> in the race between donald trump and ted cruz, the current republican fruners, two things abundantly clear. it is truce off and game on. >> back in september my friend donald said he had has his

lawyers look at this in every which way and there was nothing to this birther issue. >> whether he is even eligible to run for president. >> but since september the constitution hasn't changed. [ laughter ] but the poll numbers have. >> jump acknowledged, yeah that is part of it. >> because now he's doing a little bit better. no i didn't care before. >> but in their most pointed exchange in this race so far he said there is more. >> here is the problem. we're running, we're running. he does great. i win. i choose him as my vice presidential candidate. and the democrats sue because we can't take him along for the ride. i don't like that, okay? >> listen i've spent my entire life defending the u.s. constitution before the supreme court and i'm not going to be taking legal advice from donald trump. >> you don't have 20 d --

>> reporter: donald trump represents what he calls new york values. >> every understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal or pro abortion or pro gay marriage, focus around the money and the media. not a lot of conditionstive co out of manhattan. i'm just saying. >> trump responded uncharacteristically somber by invoking september 11th. we rebuilt downtown manhattan and everybody in the world watched and loved new york and loved new yorkers and i have to tell you that was a very insulting statement that ted made. >> for the most part the other candidates focused their fire on the president. >> this guy is a petulant child. >> and hillary clinton. >> he's under investigation right now. if she gets elected e her first hundred days might be going back and forth between the white house and can courthouse. >> those chris christie unleashed on rubio for dodging sbiemt. >> you had your chance and you

had you blew it. >> and marco rubio with just a few minutes to spare did some unleashing himself on ted cruz. >> ted cruz, you used to say you supported doubling the number of green cards. now you say that you are against it. you used to sport a 500 increase in number of guest workers. now you are against it. you use to support legalizing people who are here illegally. now you are against it. you were in -- >> cruz fought to respond. >> at least half of the things marco said are flat out false. they are absolutely false. >> all right. we have some breaking news out of south korea. the newspaper down there reporting minutes ago that south carolina senator lindsey graham will endorse jeb bush this morning. that is significant for a few reasons. i think he's the first presidential candidate who has dropped out to endorse another candidate in this race. and while he didn't register very high in any polls this entire campaign, he is from

south carolina. and there is a key primary there in a few weeks. and one other thing. he did work on the immigration bill in the senate with marco rubio. so he is snubbing a senator he work very closely with. alisyn. >> thank you john. carly fiorina was not on the main stage but she's getting buzz for a strong showing in the undercard debate. good morning. great to have you on "new day." >> good morning alisyn. >> do you want to respond to that breaking news that lindsay graham has announced he'll support jeb bush. >> i don't find it particularly surprising. these are two long-standing members of the political establishment. >> let's talk about the debate last night. how did you think it went? >> well look, i am always pleased to van opportunity to talk to the american people about solutions, about the fact that this is a game that's been

played by croney capitalists and political insiders for decades. and the problem is it is a game that hasn't served the american people. i think i was if only person on both stages who actually talked about how we're going to solve these problems. i saw a nasty fight between the ultimate insiders, two of whom claimed to be outsiders but they are the ultimate insiders. a nasty fight over power and position. had nothing to do with the american people. nothing to do with solutions. what i offer is leadership. leadership to restore a citizen government. leadership to actually solve our festering problems. leadership to take our country back. >> you always manage to have many memorable lines in these debates. and last night -- last night was no different. and in fact one of your lines -- well many of your lines, the crowd always seems to eat up. let's play one that was particularly buzz worthy. >> i'm not a political insider. i haven't spent my lifetime

running for office. the truth is i've had and been blessed by a wloft opportunities to do a lot of things in my life. and unlikely another woman in this race, i actually love spending time with my husband. >> so the crowd liked that. that was obviously a dig at hillary clinton. how do you know if she loves spending time with her husband? >> hillary clinton has spent her entire life on a quest for power. she's avoided prosecution more times than el chapo. honestly. we've run out of gates to describe the scandals. bill and hillary clinton are the ultimate insiders. the clinton global initiative is like a ponzi scheme. with bill and hillary clinton on top selling --. she's more qualified for big

house. that is why i am continuing to talk about the reality that the political establishment of which mrs. clinton is example exhibit a, the political establishment does not serve the interests of the american people. >> it is interesting that you as a woman though would say that she kraifs power. it is almost as if you are suggesting she should be at home with her husband. >> -- not at all. that was a debate between ultimate political insiders. donald trump's an insider. ted cruz is an insider. and they are arguing over their own power and position. look, the political establishment exists in both parties. i have said that consistently all along. and the political establishment doesn't serve the american people. >> sure. but i mean you decided to talk about hillary clinton's marriage. you didn't say that donald trump should be at home spending time with his wife.

>> oh i think you are really reaching here alisyn. >>. i linked hillary clinton and donald trump together. one sits inside government. the other outside government raking in billions it is a game for them. it is not a game for the american people. and i am running for office because i think we need to return power to the citizens of this nation. which is where it belongs. >> obviously the hours after any debate t fact checkers burn the midnight oil. and they said that there was something that didn't pass muster that you said last night. so let me play that for you. >> the president wouldn't even mention the fact that iran had taken two navy boats and our sailors hostage. he didn't mention the fact that they violated the geneva convention. >> so the fact checkers said

this didn't violate, the geneva convention applies to two countries that are at war. the u.s. is not at war with iran. >> look, here is why they violated the geneva convention. it is against the convention to show sailors, soldiers in the positions that they were shown. on their knees with their hands behind their back. it is against the geneva convention to show the faces of these people. they put those sailors at risk. and they knew it. and the last time i looked, iron is an adversary. the geneva convention is something that all nations should uphold and they did not. so the fact that the president wouldn't mention that. the fact that our secretary of state almost thanked them, apologized for them. this is an example of the fact that this administration, including hillary clinton do not understand the nature of iran and the fact that it is an adversary.

>> after these debates your numbers always spike. people always think you turn in a very solid impressive performance. but then your numbers go down after that. and i'm wondering after this one how you plan to harness this momentum and not see a drop in the polls? >> well actually alisyn i think those facts are incorrect. in yet another poll that came out yesterday, i am sixth, national. i am tied for fifth in new hampshire where i am today with three governors, each of whom have spent tens of millions of dollars on air. and i haven't spent a dime yet. i will also tell you that unlikely many of the people on the main stage, i'll be on the ballot on all fifty states. unlikely many of the people on the main stage i have leadership steams in 25 states have a roast ground game going in the early states so coming from 17 out of 16 to sixth national and tied with people who spent millions

of dollars, i think i've had a very steady trajectory here. and the more people hear me, the more people support me. which is why i look forward to the first vote being cast. and let us just remember there hasn't been a single vote cast. there's been a lot of commentary and a lot of poll bus not a single vote has been cast. >> there you go. 17 days from today. carly fiorina, thank you for being on "new day." >> thanks alisyn. we are following breaking news here. frantic search under way off the coast of hi iafter the coast guard says two military aircraft collided off the waters of oahu. barbara starr with more. >> reporter: we're getting sketchy first reports. not a lot of detail. a coast guard search now under way off the north shore of oahu. we're told it is believed two u.s. marine corps helicopters crashed in my air. that is what they are looking for now. they have located a debris

field, an empty life raft, a fire at sea. these are the details that the coast guard is offering very initially but still dark obviously out in hawaii at this hour. so it is going to be a very difficult search. we don't know yet exactly where off the north shore they are looking, how deep that water may be, how rough the waters may be out there but a full search under way. it is believed there were a total of 12 people. six on each of those helicopters. michaela. >> update us when you can. thank you so much for that news. powerball frenzy breaking powerball news. the tennessee winners of the jackpot have come forward. the winners are still a mystery meanwhile in florida and california, where one woman was pranked into thinking she won. live in chino hills california where where he know at least one of the tickets came from that very 7-eleven behind you. >> reporter: it did indeed but

the winner hasn't shown up. we'll talk about the prank in just a bit which is cringe worthy. but we now think we know the winner in tennessee. john and lisa robinson showed up on the today show. they haven't checked officially but they were convinced be i their attorney and a family member to go on the show to announce to the world they had won. >> i wrote it down because i had other tickets, his other three to look at. so i wrote the numbers down. so got to looking and saw and looked again. and looked again they are the same. and looked again. and third time i went running down the hallway, john check the numbers. >> so somewhere around 500 million. that is where each winner would get if it is just a single winner in each state. so that is a lot of money. on the other hand there is a mother who may be a little upset with her son this morning because he pulled a really, really bad prank on her telling

her that he -- they had won the lottery. had a ticket. had a picture of himself. as it turned out, her company had a press conference and then found out that he was just kidding. so this morning she wakes up not a winner. but still a mother and i'm sure she loves her son sbu she's probably a little upset. >> win winner, no chicken dinner for you. ever again. oh, the worst son ever arguably. oh my goodness. >> can't eat chicken with no teeth. >> you have been keeping that line in your back pocket. >> i told you she was upset it. takes a lot to get mic upset at somebody. sean penn setting the record straight. penn is shooting down claims that his visit with the fugitive was social to el chapo's recapture. in an interview he says he believes the mexican government set him up. >> we had met with him many

weeks earlier. >> on october 2nd. >> on october 2in'. in a place nowhere near where he was captured. we're not smarter than the dea or the mexican intelligence. we had a contract upon which we were able to facility an invitati invitation. >> do you believe the government released this in part because they wanted to see you blamed and to put you at risk? >> yes. >> they wanted to encourage the cartel to put you in their cross-hairs. >> yes. >> what did he anticipate happening after all this? >> maybe he thought el chapo wouldn't be captured. he just looks liked he scored the biggest of the gets but the nexus raises questions. >> good point. he said it is not about the interview. that the rolling stone interview was only a vehicle for what he says was his motivation, which was that he wanted to start a

different dialogue about the war on drugs and that we put all the emphasis on catching this bad guy and not on all the other element and he says his article has failed. >> yes. it's been eclipsed by the capture story. >> it certainly has. more coming up. cruz and trump garnering all the head lines from the debate. legally lo we'll look at the big winners and losers ahead. doesn't work f. you're on to the next thing. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair has the fastest retinol formula to visibly reduce fine lines and wrinkles in just one week. neutrogena®. you're not thinking aboutlines andall the money you savedeek. by booking your flight, rental car, and hotel together. all you're thinking about, is making sure your little animal, enjoys her first trip to the kingdom.

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he cannot run for office. here is the problem. we're running, we're running. i win. i choose him as my vice presidential candidate and the democrats sue because we can't take him along for the ride. i don't like that. >> trump and cruz dominating the debate last night. and the battle continues between establishment and outsiders. who won?

joining me is cnn political commentator and jeb bush supporter anna navarro. and jeffrey lord and amanda carpenter. so we have so many candidates represented here in one way or another. some breaking political news is lindsay graham has announced he'll endorse jeb bush. do you think that changes the equation in south carolina. >> it is a big, big deal in south carolina. look, lindsay was not doing well in the presidential race but lindsay graham is very well liked in south carolina. he knows his state. for the longest time some of the most powerful, some of the best political republican activists have been frozen because they were nlt going to go anywhere because lindsay graham was running. so yes it is a big deal in south carolina and i think it tells you that jeb bush is looking past iowa, past new hampshire and is the one building a strong

ground troop operation and he's going live to fight through south carolina i'm sure. >> amanda what do you think. this morning people are talking about ted cruz and donald trump. not jeb bush. do you think they are counting him out too soon. >> jeb bush has never lacked for endorsements or money. when i wake up today and i see a headlines focused on trump and the enact that he has a good shot at getting the nomination, i think it is time for people running vanity campaigns to drop the heck out. it is getting so serious. there are people that think they can wait until new hampshire or -- >> but who are those? >> i would certainly start with the undercard debate. huckabee, santorum, carson, probably kasich just to start clearing the field. because it is hurting the party as a whole. if you look, they all have three support. carson has as much as 11%. that needs to go to a" who can win.

and i think waiting until south carolina is dangerous given the trump momentum. >> the big talk was about whether or not the bromance between ted cruz and donald trump is now officially over. are we going to see more now after last night of these two sparring face to face on the campaign trail? >> sure. sure. alisyn, this is what presidential candidates do. you are not supposed to say i'm running for president but really the better guy is my opponent over here. you are supposed to say why you are the better guy and then of course you will call attention to your opponent's deficiencies. that is all that's happening. it happened every four years. it happens with president obama and hillary clinton and she wound up as his secretary of state. there is nothing unusual and yes i expect more of it. >> and did ted cruz put the birther stuff to rest last night? >> i don't think so. if anything i think it lingers more. >> why? >> i think it became much more of an issue. we've seen that the amount of

people watching these debates are in the 10s or 20s of millions. so last night people who may have not heard of the issue heard about it. and i think ted cruz had a good debate. he's a good debater. but i think he was convoluted. legalistic. long winded when it comes to this birther answer and also the goldman sachs answer. i don't think he did himself any favors. the question is still out there this morning. >> amanda, your take. >> i thought on the debate stage, donald trump is theorist who would probably disqualify anyone from the ticket who has an ancestor. if you look a standard marco rubio doesn't get to run. bobby jindal. mccain, romney. the list goes on. so the longer we spend on this. if this is a big hit coming at ted cruz a into iowa, okay. although it plays well in the media and makes for an interesting story, the committed grass roots, gop primary voters it is not an issue for them.

we'll see. but just because trump gets head lines for being provocative i don't think translates into the persuading people who have been committed to ted cruz for so long. >> anna, jeffrey u amanda thanks so much. talk to you soon. >> thanks. so the republican debate is in the books. no next up. the democrats. sunday. we're going break down last night's big jabs and look ahead to the democrat match this weekend. hwe'll match any competitorse best prprice. this? what about this? price match guarantee. and this? yep! so no monkey business, no tomfoolery? oh, we do have tom foolery, tom. staples has a price match guarantee. make low prices happen. staples make more happen.

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are you ready? it is time to get deep now with cuomo and the ax. there's been a lot of time spent on the fights, the digs. but what was the biggest moment last night? the biggest moment last night came from donald trump. and it was something that plays to what is lacking most on both sides of this race. it is ironic. it is going to be different. but i think it is very true. and we do have david axelrod. i am talking about when donald trump took ted cruz's statement about new york values, which as we both know is code in politics to mean certain things to certain people. and he made it into something else. let's listen. >> when the world trade center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more

humanely than new york. we rebuilt downtown manhattan. and everybody in the world watched. and everybody in the world loved new york and loved new yorkers. and i have to tell you, that was a very insulting statement. that ted made. >> harshness and exclusion. returned and defeated with inclusion and sweet strength. an unlikely messenger given the current context of the campaign. but do you believe this is instructive of what ultimately wins in any debate like we're having right now? >> yes i sympatthink that is an important questito be able to t question like that and go big. and it was important moment for trump to show he had that kind of range. it also gave him a rootedness that he's been missing.

that was a very big moment. i tweeted at that moment as a native new yorker that i appreciated what he said. and i just wondered how the base would take it. because you know what cruz was doing. cruz was saying oh yes, so you think i'm from canada, it is worse, you are from new york. and with all of the implications that you say that that carries. and i think it was more than that. i think it was a little bit of a significance to those essential conservatives in iowa that his values are not your values. but trump i thought turned the moment effectively. >> and i think that it was right that it was trump because of the energy that he's put in to fomiting the anger and anxiety in the country. fomenting. even when it comes from donald trump it still winds up owning the moment. let's see if that is a lesson going forward. on that stage last night --

>> chris let me make one more point on this. the last time 9/11 came up in a debate trump used it to talk about the illusory thousands who stood up in jersey, thousands of muslims who cheered when the towers went down. that was a small moment for him. that was a divisive moment for him. this was a different kind of moment. >> well said. i think it speaks to the power of that message, no matter who the messenger is. >> on the stage last night. everybody is teeing up cruz versus trump. seeing that the senator dispatched the eligibility argument. do you think it is really a two man race now? >> i think it's too soon to say but i think it is certainly narrowing down to that. new polling out this morning, the two of them are holding more than a majority. you know, marco rubio showed he was overtorqued i thought a little bit last night.

but he's trying desperately to have his name in that same conversation. he has to do well in iowa and new hampshire to get a pass into the finals. but it really seems to be boiling down to those two. which for the washington establishment is like a choice between a punch in the nose and a knee to the groin. these washington republicans don't know what to do. but that really seems to be where the republican race is going. >> other side of the aisle. there are questions about tone now there and tenacity as well. hillary clinton seems to be targeting bernie sanders wie hi veemance. and. >> reporter: i was wondering, does he intimidate you, donald trump? >> no.

>> that look. >> if it's donald trump it will be quite the showdown. >> what do you make of these appearances if are hillary? >> and theist been doi and she's been doing a lot more lighter side of stuff than she has been sitting down with people like us. what is the plus/minus on it? >> i think it is mostly plus. when i was working for the president and we'd put him on the shows, people would question why it was presidential and why are we doing this but it is a chance to speak, a to a different audience and b to a different side of yourself. you get a chance to show your humanity. you get a clans to show your humor. and in her case that is very important. because those are qualities she has that don't always come to the fore when she's on the stump. so i really think that these are important for her. that is not to say that she shouldn't sit with you guys, which of course is the primary thing she should be doing. did i do that okay?

>> that was awesome. >> yeah? good. but i thought she made the most of that appearance last night. >> do you think when we see them on the stage on sunday, three of them obviously. but really will be about two for the most part. do you think we're going to see them go at it a for the most part, the senator from vermont and the secretary from new york? >> well it sure seems headed that way. look, there is one great axel rant when it comes to debates and that is close poll numbers. basically it is a virtual tie in iowa. between clinton and bernie sanders. and you can see that in the last week she's really picked up rhetoric. there's been a lot of back and forth. the question is what does sanders do? hillary clinton is perfectly capable of taking it right to him. and she's done it at times. but he's been reticent about

firie ining back in these debat. he pulled up short on the e-mail question. there have been other invitations to go after her where he stopped short of being really, really pointed with her. will that change now especially given the tone that she's taken? >> i think they both have to be careful. the truth is they are enormously popular with democrat, whenever wins and i suspect it is going to be hillary clinton is going to have to put the party back together after that process. so you want to be careful about how you approach -- how you approach these debates. >> david axelrod, thank you so much as always. appreciated. have a good weekend sir. >> good to be with you. >> always. >> thank you, you to. >> this weekend cnn is going to take you on the death defying thrill ride, introducing you to the so called father of base jumping. he lived and died his passion. we're going to give you a preview of "sunshine superman" and an invitation to join our cnn family as we share our

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crediting with putting base jumping on the map. here's preview. >> this is the same feeling i have with chris. who in the world would do this? but when you look at the videos online it is stunning o see. even a guy like me who is afraid of height was kind of tempted but there is a darkside. base jumping is world's most extreme and forbidden sport. no wonder hollywood loves it. in the new movie point break, base jumps jumped 60 times to great one amazing scene. >> it is all real. when you see a person a foot off the ground that is because they are a foot off the ground. >> a long way from the 70s when a man strapped a ram ra to his head and dove from yosemite. >> two things have nothing to do

with jumping, driving this popularity. >> you can do the uniform camera, there is a poll so you can film your head and body flying through stuff. >> relatively inexpensive minney cameras supervisors groeps allow base jumpers to capture their stunts and thanks to the internet they share their video with the world. base jump's wing suit. >> and you wear it almost like a coat. the wing suit gives modern jumpers much more maneuverability, transforming what was once just falling into the flying. >> you are flying a hundred miles an hour through the trees and over the ground and out into the beautiful swiss valley. there is nothing like it. >> all three advancesed a made more want to take up the sport. and as the popularity rises so has the death toll in what was

already perhaps the world's deadliest pass time. >> almost eight or nine out of ten base jumpers who would die in base jumping, that would be associated with [inaudible]. >> adrenaline isn't the only thing propelling base jumps. there is also the lure of big money. >> companies like bright ling and red bull pay these extreme athletes to push the envelope. helping with jet propelled suits and perhaps the most extreme of all. from the edge of space. carl hanish who started all of this died on a jump in 1984. but base jumpers think he'd be thrilled to see how the sport he helped start has taken off. >> i think he'd love to see why where it's gone. >> those who do it say base jumps is not about livering life

on t on the edge but going over it. >> let me point out those people who are base jumpers have been doing it for years. and in fact you have to be an expert sky diver before you even consider it. don't just think of it as a weekend kind of pass time. >> don't worry i won't. it stresses me out just to watch it. >> beautiful video. thank you so much for bringing that to us. sunshine super man this sunday at 9:00 eastern on cnn. and breaking silence about the el chapo investigation. and is there a diversity problem if hollywood? "beth" by kiss

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this morning sean penn breaking his silence about the meeting with el chapo. we want to talk about this and the oscars. so much to get to. but i think we want to play a chunk of this interview with charlie rose that ran on cbs this morning. let's listen and get your reaction. >> we had met with him many weeks earlier. >> on october 2nd. >> on october 2nd. in a place nowhere near where he was captured. we're not smarter than the dea or the mexican intelligence. we had a contact upon which we were able to facilitate an invitation. >> do you believe that the mexican government released this in part because they wanted to see you blamed and to put you at risk? >> yes. >> they wanted to encourage the cartel to put you in their

cross-hairs? >> yes. >> so i want to get a gut check from both of you. we played a portion but i know you have each had a chance to listen to the interview. what does your gut tell you of why speak what his intentions were going into was was he surprised by the fall out? >> was sean penn surprised? you cannot be surprised by that. the idea of whether the mexican government is trying to get the cartel to target him. that is an incredible accusati n accusation. and he's saying yes he blooeftsd the mexican government is trying to get him killed. >> he couldn't have gone into this. >> blow back, threat to your life two different things. >> fair point. >> blowback, there is a ethical quandary -- >> but he's deal -- >> right this is not your regular -- >> exactly. >> it is one thing to say i interviewed some criminal on the

street and we talked about their heroin use. this is a person who has killed people, who has -- who is a master, major drug trafficker. this is not a cuddly character you are dealing with. >> do you think he's a misguided, well-intentioned artist that had just got lost in this? or do you think he was more complicit in what's all gone on here? >> you know that is a really interesting question. on one hand i think sean penn is one of the smartest people in hollywood. i think that he's been an activist for many many, years. so i do think that he could anticipate going into this what would come out of it. not just the blow back but the other stuff. >> sure. >> what charles was saying i think lend to the fact that there could be serious repercussions for getting yourself involved in this. do i believe that he really does want the war on drugs conversation to begin and to spark and to get bigger?

yes. did he go about it the right way? i'm not so hur. and now looking back he's saying i don't know if i did the right thing. >> and he even said he thinks his article failed. >> failed. >> -- controversy brewing after the oscar nominations. last year we saw #forum all white osters. deja vu. if you look at the nominations charles this year. all the major acting categories. nary a person of color. reaction? >> the movie industry has a huge problem in terms of diversity. and particularly it shows up with the academy and the oscars. so the l.a. times did a survey of the academy in 2014 and found that 94% of them were white. >> look at this. >> 2% are african american. 2% are latino. less than 1% asian. >> no diversity in age either. >> the average age is 63.

70% were men. this does not reflect the sensibilities of the movie-going population. that is a huge issue but it is not just the academy. it is the entire pipeline from the story all the way up to who gets green lit and what movies get made. you know, the lady said last year when -- blanks her. >> the president -- >> no i'm blanking her name. -- >> viola davis. >> we can't win awards for roles that do not exist. >> that's a very good point because i know tv is far ahead of film. but it is interesting. the african american president of the academy has worked on it. they have added 332 new members. we know she started an initiative to change things. but a lot of people are saying it is not enough yet. is it going to take time? or do they need to be held more

accountable the academy? >> well i think all of those. no it is not enough yet. yes it will take time. yes they do need to be held more accountable the members of the academy. but i think that adding on to what charles said with viola davis saying roles need exist, i beg to differ this year. because the rules did exist. there were so many quality roles that were on film this year by actors of color. that just did not get the recognition that they so i deftly deserved. so that goes to show you that there is a still a long way to go. i mean, there were so many wonderful performances and there were a lot of them on film. i see everything so there was a lot of them on film. but i will say that it's glaring and it is jarring when you see that list of nominees and say hold on a second. nobody looks like me. >> look, they have got themselves in a kund rum because guess who is the host this year. mr. chris rock. not one to shy away from the topic of race and controversy. so we know that he's going to

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smaller debate, harder hits. >> after the release of an police shooting video. an unarmed black teenager running away. >> for him to essentially step on him. it is just totally unreasonable. >> plus, face to face with mexico's most notorious drug kingpin. why does sean penn think he's in danger after interviewing el chapo? let's talk. live in the cnn newsroom. >> and good morning. i'm carol costello, thank you so much for joining me. it is official. the bromance between