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wherever you are watching from around the world, thank you very much for joining us. breaking news into cnn and for the first time since being freed from iran, the former american prisoner amir hekmati has spoken to the world. the former u.s. marine went before the cameras moments ago to deskrcribe his emotions duri the 4 1/2 years in captivity and the release three days ago. >> and how did you feel when you found out how big the movement was to get you back out, and people keeping it in the public light? >> well, i don't know. and i still don't know. i just know that everyone from the president, the congress, and even the iranian officials who were our captors essentially, they were amaze and they said, why are they working so hard for you, and i just said, well, that is america, and they love the citizens, and even the other iranian prisoners were really moved, you know, by all of the
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support, but there is still a lot that i don't know, and it is all coming to me slowly. our communications obviously for the first 2 1/2 years, i had very little communication if any. and when i did finally get access to a telephone, i was not able to get all the details because of the sensitive situation that i was in. but i know that so many people had supported us, and i am extremely humble and grateful. >> and what was it like when you were waiting for the plane, because there was a big delay from the time that you were supposed to leaf to when the flight took off, right? >> yes, it is very nerve-racking, and i was worried that maybe the iranian side was gog the make new demands in the last minute or that the deal would not work out. so up until the last second, we were all worry and concerned, and we were just put in a very small room, and we didn't have any telephone communication or access and we were told to have
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two hours and then two became six and then a total al of 2 1/2 days, and then when we got to see the swiss am bbassador, ambassador haas who really, he did a lot for us, and mr. myer in the swiss government, and we felt the immense pressure coming off of the plane, and that is when we knew. >> and amir, did any of the marine training kick in at this time? >> yes. i didn't want to let my fellow marines down, and the reputation of the marine corps, so i tried my best to keep my head up, and withstand all of the pressures that were put upon me, and some of which were very inhumane and unjust. and then hearing about some of my fellow marines supporting me really gave me the strength to put up with over four years of some very difficult times that
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me and my family went through. and so semper fi to all of the marines out there. and as soon as we got out of the iranian air space, the champagne bottles were popped, and the swiss are amazing, chocolates and veal was serve and we were on the private jet that the former president of switzerland or the ambassadors use, and so we thank them for the hospitality. >> and amir, you seem so well, and people are going to be stun and delighted. >> i am well. i hop i only get better, i hope. this is really an exceptional time for me. >> our senior national correspondent fred pleitgen was there, and you heard him answering questions there, and how did he behave off camera? >> well, he looked very, very strong, and someone who really wants to get on with his life, and wants to overcome this. i was a able to speak to amir before he came out there to talk to the media, and he said that
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he was going to have a strong handshake, and he also reit rated how grateful he was about the support that he had been receiving from people in the united states, and also now that he has been back here in landstuhl germany and the fact that he is getting world class medical treatment here, and the fact that his family members are around him now, and supporters, and he is starting to realize the full extent of the support he had been receiving in the four years that he was there in iranian captivity, but this is a man when i spoke to him, he seemed like someone with a very, very strong will, and appears to be in very, very good shape physically, but he is also aware of the fact that the past four years in iranian captivity, definitely took a toll on him, a and that is why he knows that he has to undergo the prot coocol do psychological and physical
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care, and something they are so specialized here in landstuhl, wolf. >> and also, congressman dan kildee standing right next to him who worked so hard on his behalf. and what about the other two, the pastor syed abedini, and jason rezaian, the "washington post" reporter. and how are they doing there at landstuhl? >> well, it is interesting, because they appear to be doing quite well, also. one of the reasons why we say that is that because the indication is that there were pictures of jason rezaian for instance also meeting with his family as well. and i spoke to the ali rezaian, jason's brother yesterday, and at the time, he said that he could not meet with jason yet, because the folks at the medical center did not want to have it happen so quickly, because three men undergoing everything they had, it could be overwhelming to see the family members too soon,
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but at the end of the day, ali did see his brother, and that seems to show that the physicians believe that he is strong enough for that. and now, jason rezaian, himself, he has told the "washington post" and ali that he is in good spirits, and he feels very good physically, but he also knows that he has to go through the protocol, and let these specialists here at the landstuhl medical center do their work, because they have done this a lot of times, and they are very experienced in all of this. and bowe bergdahl was here as well, and again, he knows they are trying to help them, but all three of the men want to go back to the u.s. and their lives as fast as possible, wolf. >> totally understandable. thank you, fred pleitgen on the ground in germany. it took 14 months of turbulent talks between iranian and other officials to work out this swap. we are now learning what is happening inside of the obama administration in that time. we are getting news the about the syrian concerns that some
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top u.s. officials had about the concessions of the deal. we want to bring in evan perez, and also kimberly dozier and josh rogan, and evan, you are getting new information that there is resistance. >> and the attorney general loretta lynch had concerns to limit the number of iranians to be let go to people who had committed the violated the economic sanctions for instance to make sure that it did not set a precedent, and most of all, she wanted to make sure that all of the americans were released by the iranians, and in particular on bob levinson, they wanted to make sure that if we can't get him back, that at least the iran yans would turn over all of the information that they have on his disappearance, and as you know, the justice department official, and the fbi officials believe that the iranians know a great deal more about that, and so does levinson's family. his son addressed some of that today. take a listen.
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>> now, that everything else has been done, and everybody has won, the nuclear deal happened, and iran got what they want and the sanctions lifted and iranians can coming home, and the u.s. has gotten the americans home, and the only people sufficienting is my f su. he is the only one suffering aun unimaginable nightmare and he is the only one over there who was serving the country. a and what does that say to those over there serving and abandoning them even after serving our country. >> and wolf, the u.s. believes that levinson is no longer in iran, and the last time that the family got any proof of life was 2010 and videos and photos of him pleading for help. they believe he is somewhere else in southwest asia, and the question is if the iranians will promise to provide information about his disappearance in iran those many years ago. >> and he has been disappeared so many years ago, and bob
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levinson a cia agent, and then he was went disappearing at kish islands, and what about these other two americans, and are they saying anything about how they are released and two more citizens held by the iranians? >> well, it is another question certainly for the attorney general, and they wanted to make sure that everybody was released and obviously, that is a disappointment now that it did not happen as well as the lack of information about levinson, simply because levinson was a former employee of the justice department, and it is important for them to know what happened to them, and all we have is promises of the iranians. >> and he was working on behalf of the u.s. government, too, and so there is a responsibility to get him out, and hopefully they will find him and get him out at some point. and thank you for that. evan, don't go too far away. and kimberly, you have been doing reporting on the ayatollah
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hama dishg hamadi, and he says that remarks of the american politicians have been cause for suspicion, and he says that the lifting of the sanctions is not enough to improve the economy and facilitate people's livelihood, and where does the ayatollah stand as far as the more moderate elements of iran move forward? >> well, the ayatollah had backed the deal, but he is sounding like the u.s. officials after the completion of the deal coming out with warnings that you can't trust the u.s. we have u.s. officials saying that you have to watch iran, and you can't trust them, and also, this is a real victory for the moderate president. we have elections coming up in february, february, and so it is as if the ayatollah who represents the hard-line of the parties is shy trying to take the shine off of
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the euphoria that the iranian public may feel, because he is saying, hey, we don't know how this is going to be turning out, and think about the long term security and think ahead when you are going into the voting booth for the parliament or the experts who might choose the next ayatollah, because he wants a hardliner. >> and joshing, you have been writing about this, because the hardliners are deeply concerned if the elections are free, the moderates will win, and now there is increasing pressure to prevent some moderates from running, and that is not acceptable, so what are you hearing there? >> well, we are seeing rouhani and hamadi battling over twitter, and we can see that they are campaigning against e rouhani and the hardliners. and so unlike here, the elections are fixed. and even if the moderates win
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all of the seats that they are up for, the hardliners are going to be winning the elections, and control iran and what that mean norse the future of iran relationships is that despite the nuclear deal and the prisoner swap which is positive, the basic fundamentals a of the mistrust, and the tensions off iran are likely to continue for the foreseeable future. >> yes, it is a complicated story, and it ist not going away any time soon, but an enormous amount of interest is at stake right now. thank you, all, very much. >> and now, the supreme court is going to take up the action of signature immigration reform, and one that prevents people from being deported from the united states. we will have more on that coming up. text mom. boys have been really good today. send. let's get mark his own cell phone. nice. send. brad could use a new bike. send.
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decided to take up president obama's executive actions on immigration. those were signed back in 2014, but after more than half of the state objected, federal courts stopped the executive actions from taking place. that is a huge setback to the president. here's the reaction today from the white house. quote, we are pleased that the supreme court has decided to review the immigration case. the policies will make our communities safer, and make our economy stronger, and they are consistent with the actions taken by presidents of both parties, and the laws passed by congress, and the decisions of the supreme court. we are confident that the policies will be upheld as lawful. our justice correspondent pamela brown is here with more. pamela, what exactly is the supreme court going to have to decide right now? >> well, basically the supreme court is going to have to look at whether or not the plan is constitutional, and which is what the court has looked at,
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and the second term is banned in texas, and several other states after they brought a lawsuit, and then it was upheld by the appeals court, and the supreme court taking up the issue and deciding whether or not the u.s. can allow the 4.3 million undocumented immigrants to stay inside of the u.s., and apply for work authorization, and other benefits, wolf. they are people who are parents of the lawful u.s. resident citizens, and also those children born outside of the u.s. who were raised in the country. the obama administration applauding the high court to decide to take it on, and this is what josh earnest had to say at a briefing at the white house. >> we have a lot of confidence of the legal arguments that we will be making before the court. the kinds of executive actions that the president took a little over a year from now to try to bring some reforms and greater accountability to the broken immigration system were clearly consistent with the precedent established by other precedents,
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and clearly within the confines of the authority of the president of the united states. >> this is looked at by the obama administration as a victory, and had the high court not decided to take up the case, the lower court's ruling would be banned in texas and elsewhere moving forward. and a big deal for the obama administration, and the stakes are high, and determining, you know, why the supreme court, why this is constitutional, and deciding why the nine justices before the end of june before they go into the summer break. thank you, pamela, very, very much. >> and the decision of the president's orders on immigration will come down right in the middle of the presidential campaign right here in the united states. joining us from chicago is democratic congressman luis gutierr gutierrez, and now sh, the decisions have been handed success for the administration for same-sex marriage, and affordable health care act, and so does that make you hopeful in
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this case the court will once again rule in the white house's favorite? >> first of all, wolf, thank you for having me on and great day in america, and a great day to be an american. i am proud of the fact that the supreme court has taken on the case. i am very joyful today. 4 million people, and the supreme court can give them a way to register with the government, and that is with their own money, take a going into the serious background check, and check out the fingerprint, and pay for it themselves, and register with the government, and go the work. i am optimistic that what the president has done is lawful, and constitutional and follows many, many other precedents that the other presidents and chief executives of the united states have already taken. so i i am very confident that when the supreme court -- wolf, you have to understand one thing about this. had the supreme court not taken it, it was dead. it was never going to be going anywhere, and in the 7th circ t
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circuit, it was over, and president barack obama would not have been the president of the united states, and it would have taken years, and the supreme court knows it, and it is great that it is going to become an issue in july this year as people are having the conventions, and we are looking forward to the presidential campaign with the nominees of each party. >> and it is by no means a slam dunk for the side, because the fact is that when he rejected this unilateral executive action, he said that he is the president of the united states,b and not the emperor, and so there is a legalt battle that is going to be unfolding, and conservative justices, and liberal justices as you well know, congressman. >> and let me give you a couple of the examples, wolf. so, president truman desegregated the armed forces of the united states after world war ii, and he said no longer would we have companies and battalions in the armed forces to segregate the latinos from
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the blacks from the native americans from asians and black men, and he did that, and it took us nearly 1963 when the law caught up to what president truman did. and the emancipation proclamation is not an order, but president lincoln did that. and then we had to change the constitution of the united states to do that to catch up. and it is precedent, and it is what the presidents have been able to do and especially when the congress of the united states refuses to act. look, wolf, if you and i were to evaluate honestly the congress of the united states, we'd come to conclusion that there are enough senators and enough member s members of the congress to fix the broken immigration system, and yet we do not do it. and so the president of the united states looking at the situation, and he said to himself, god, there are 5 million american citizen children whose parents are undocument undocumented and going to go through the criminal background check, and who present no risk to our company, and as a great
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benefit to the country, and shouldn't they be allowed the raise the children while the congress of the united states takes action. i get that the president said no, but i will share with you what i truly believe. i believe that the president really wanted to bring the democrats and the republicans together, and have a legislative solution. >> question quick question. >> and that is the response to us. >> and quick question, congressman, because it is an executive order, and say that the supreme court says that the president is right, and he could sign it intoing executive ord e, and starting in ju lishgs august and september, the process unfolds, but what happens if there is a republican president-elected in november? that republican president can unsign the executive order on day one, and obviously, reverse all of the gains from the respective, and you are aware of that possibility? >> sure. that the possibility exists. it is an executive order, but i want you to think one moment, wolf, and think of the millions of people coming forwards and registering with the government, and showing they represent no
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threat, and paying the taxes, and having american citizen children that they are raising, and i mean, who is going to be reversing that kind of situation? i don't see it happening, but listen, that is what the elections are for, bruce, wolf, and is so next november, when people walk into the ballot box, and one of the critical issues that they are going to have on the mind as they vote for the next president of the united states is who is going to be protecting the 4 million people, and who is not. and i think that a lot of the people in america want a sensible, just, immigration system, wolf, that is going to be protecting the moms and dads and let them raise their american citizen children. >> and before that happens, the supreme court has to make its decision, and we will see what that the nine justices have to do. >> they will. >> and thank you, luis gutierrez of illinois, thank you. >> thank you, wolf. and unfoch ral natural di s
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lawsuits, and the others like it? >> well, these are brand-new suits that are just filed now, and class actions, but they are on the state level versus the federal level, because that is a class action suit that is filed recently, and of course, the primary dependent is the governor of the state, and also, they are really focusing in on two state agency s fies for the defendants in the case, and michigan department of health and human service, and the michigan department of environmental quality, a one of the new things that we are hearing in the lawsuit is that they are talking about legionnairella bacteria, because there is a increase in legionnaires' disease here. and they are saying that the department of health and human services knew that there was a spike in disease and a spike of the lead level in the drinking water of this community, and there was a correlation, but they lied to the community, and never let them know the truth. they are also asking for the
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injunction that the water department does not require people to pay their bills for water that was affected, and if their water has been turned off, because they have not paid to turn it back on. and they are also saying that there is a taking of the property rights, that because the pipes of these people with that untreated water allowed the lead from the lead pipes to go into the water, because that is the allegation of the contamination right there, and then it went into their homes, and they drank it. so the property rights have decreased, and they say that if the governmental officials were only honest, they could have prevented the health issues of everybody in the community, and primarily the children and the eld elderly, and those affected by all of this, and they are asking there to be some accountability. >> we are going to get the e-mail, and we will demand them as part of the discovery, and there are going to be -- they will be coming forward.
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and the other thing with the discovery is sworn testimony by the public official, and the fact is that it is not going to be easy questions or softballs or dodgeable. these are going to be questions in which they are hard questions in which they are going to be posed to the public official, and they have to answer them, and they won't get away from answering the questions. >> and that accountability they say is going to be coming from the e-mails and government officials, and they are trying to get. they have not gotten yet, but under the freedom of information act, they believe they are due the e-mails to have the information, and of course, the government and the state of michigan and they will have to respond to the lawsuits, and the lawsuits are mounting class action suits, because the members of the community are going to be harm ed forever, an in many respects. >> and what a horrible, horrible situation in flint, michigan,
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the stronger nominee when she is pitted against the republican field. our senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny is joining us from north carolina, and dana bash is joining us from concord, new hampshire, and these numbers are so important, but much more important than the number numbers where you are in iowa and very close between trump, and cruz, and today, trump seemed to get a little assistance with a popular governor of iowa terry brandstead said that ted cruz must be defeat and must lose, and this is extraordinary for a governor to intervene in a caucus like this. give us the background. >> wolf, it is certainly is. and we have seen the governor waiting on the sidelines here. he is known to be very politically correct, and very careful in the assessments of the republican candidates, but i never have heard terry branstead
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in the three decades of governor saying that somebody needs to be defeted, and he is saying that ted cruz does not support ethanol which is the lifeblood of the ethanol economy, and terry branstead who is coming out to say that ted cruz needs to be defeated is significant, taand the question here is that ted cruz can use it to his benefit as well by saying, that look, people like the governor here, the establishment is trying to defeat me, but it is a significant thing for the governor today to say that he is should be defeated, and we will have to watch how it plays out, because he has the best ground game it looks like in iowa here, wolf. >> and what about how it looks in new hampshires s the republn side, because it looks very, very close in aiowa? >> most of the polls are showing that donald trump has a healthy lead, taand the race at this pot seems to be for who is going to be coming in a strong second. you can see that i am here at john kasich event, and he is
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going to be the governor of ohio, and he has been kind of going up and down here, and he has been putting all of the eggs at least in the short term in the basket of new hampshire, and he has had almost 50 town the ha halls, and this is another one here shortly, and he is in a race with the jeb bush, with marco rubio, and chris christie to get the so-called establishment vote. the more mainstream vote. and ted cruz is doing well here, and he is actually been here on the bus tour, also, but that is where it stands here. and donald trump had a huge crowd yesterday. i was with him here in new hampshire, and this is a more typical new hampshire event as you can see behind me, and it is low key, and john kasich is going to be answering the questions from the voters, and i will tell you that just talking about the voters here, there are a lot of people undecided. and one man who said that he has no clue who he is going to be voting for. and even though donald trump is doing well sh, you don't know w
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is going to be happening especially after the voters in new hampshire see what happens in aiowa. >> and back to jeff. and even though governor is saying that ted cruz must be defeat and he must lose the iowa caucuses, he is not endorsing anyone else, donald trump for example? >> no, he not. he is not endorsing donald trump, wolf. i would not expect him to do so. he has long talked about how a governor is the better type of candidate. so, look, all eyes here in iowa are on donald trump, and he has been talk about the endorsement that he is going to be getting tonight, and so, he is trumping it up if you will, and is so i think that similar case here in iowa, wolf to, what dana is hearing. the republicans are undecided. as you tuck to them, they are trying to sort it out, and campaigns are campaigns, and you will see how it plays out over the next 13 days. >> we will see how it plays out in the 66:00 p.m. eastern time when donald trump has a rally and bringing the high profile mystery guest as he is calling
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it. we will call it in "the situation room" in our 6:00 p.m. eastern hour. guys, thank you very much. and high stakes at the u.s. supreme court. and the supreme court will decide if president obama's legal orders are legal. our legal panel is standing by to discuss that and a lot more. stay with us. [cough, cough] mike? janet? cough if you can hear me. don't even think about it. i took mucinex dm for my phlegmy cough. yeah...but what about mike? he has that dry scratchy thing going on. guess what? it works on his cough too. cough! guess what? it works on his cough too. what? stop! don't pull me! spoiler alert! she doesn't make it! only mucinex dm relieves both wet and dry coughs for 12 hours with two medicines in one pill. start the relief. ditch the misery.
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or severe liver problems. tell your doctor about bleeding, new or unexpected shortness of breath, any planned surgery and all medicines you take. i will take brilinta today. tomorrow. and every day for as long as my doctor tells me. don't miss a day of brilinta. new details emerging right now with the federal response to disaster in flint, michigan, and we spoke about the disaster a few moments ago, and now president obama is set to meet with the mayor of flint, michigan, and karen weaver who is here for a conference, and the president is going to be in nearby detroit, and has no plans to visit flint, but mayor weaver is expected to push the president to make that visit. and we will update you more when
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we get that information. and also, updating you on the hot button political issue, the supreme court going to be hearing the challenge of the president's orders on immigration. it would allow hundreds off millions of undocumented worker workerer s to apply for employment here in the united states. the republican candidates call the act unconstitutional, and doug hathaway is a former senior advisory to hillary clinton's 2008 campaign, and christian selte selter, and a former pollster, and this could be a issue. and kristen, we don't know what the supreme court is going to do, but say they rule in the president's favor, and lot of the hispanics are thrilled by the decision, and the republicans as you know, they have been trying to make some inroads and potentially with the candidates who are saying that on day one, we will reare jekt the executive order, and turn it around, and it could have a political impact? >> kre yes, the politics will change whether it is the short
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term or the long term. long term, demographic change to reshape the country, and make sort of the political trajectory of the immigration issue clear, but on the other hand in the short term, a lot of the republicans are looking at what the president has done and say it is unconstitutional, and not the politics of immigration, but what article i and ii of the constitution say you can and cannot do, and so some republicans are excited to see the supreme court to bring up this issue, and bring it to the fore. >> and it was ruled that he was not constitutional ly able to sign this, and we have no idea how the supreme court is going to rule, in his favor or not, and how does this play out in the election though? >> well, it is going to be a big factor, and republicans have made immigration a huge factor, and it goes beyond the parameter of the case, and for democrats beyond the demographics, too. is it going to be inclusive politics or divisive ones. and the republicans have done
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themselves harm when it comes to the rashlgly tinged comments, and the young people are turned off by that, and depending on the ruling, it could affect the campaign, because a number of people are watching. and now, the governor of iowa has come out to say to the iowa republican caucusgoers not to vote for ted cruz, and he is not endorsing anybody else, but don't vote for him, and were you surprised for that? >> well, i was a little surprised, but ted cruz is always the had the ability to take the negative to turn it into his advantage. and so if this advice is to not vote for ted cruz is on the grounds of support for ethanol, that has divided the conservativism, and you have is limited government folks who say, i like his position on that issue. >> iowa is a huging a are ri cultural state, and it is a huge
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issue in iowa and i don't know about the rest of the country, but in iowa the accusation against him, and donald trump is saying that ted cruz is in the hands of big oil and he won't support ethanol subsidies which is an economic factor in iowa. >> and yes, that is the thing in iowa and it is a pocketbook issue, and not a special interest, but for most of the country, it is absolutely fine not the support the subsidies, branstad did this because his style is so low key and governors don't usually do that. >> donald trump says he's bringing a mystery guest who is going to bring a lot of excitement. you have heard all the speculation that's out there. sarah palin may be his mystery guest. let's say it's sarah palin. what kind of impact would that have? >> sarah palin has not been in the headlines as much. it was eight years ago that she was first brought into the national attention and since then her name hasn't appeared in
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a national poll to test her favorables or unfavorables in quite awhile. in a way, i don't know if she helps donald trump sochs donald trump would elevate her and make her more relevant again. >> i think the crowd would go wi wild. i think they've got a lot of energy for a few days. >> 6:00 p.m. eastern hour in "the situation room." we'll see who the mystery guest is. coming up, a very different story we're following in an exclusive look inside an isis intervention. >> for those who are already radicalized, please open your eyes to reality. don't go to searyriasyria. it's suicide. it's death. >> a 15-year-old girl tells cnn in chilling detail how isis terrorists almost won her over. stay with us. .
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cnn has had an exclusive look inside an isis intervention. a teenage girl in paris explains how she almost fell victim to the terrorist groups recruiting efforts on social media. . she gives us a look on what militants did to try to entice her into her poisonous ideology and what her family can did to save her. here's a >> reporter: in the midst of the terror attacks in 2015, a 15-year-old girl found herself in contact with one of the women directly involved in the attack. >> this woman spoke to me on social media. she wanted to go to syria with someone. she didn't want to go alone. she was also trying to control everything i was doing. >> joanna, not her real name, is
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one of the radicalization program along with mandatory counselling e she must report to police every day. >> she and her mother allowed cnn to observe her counselling session. both wanted to remain unanimous. she tries to explain the grip isis recruiters had. >> she was recruited entirely online, groomed by propaganda that painted isis as a defender of muslims. as a per vent convent seeking understanding of islam, joanna was an easy target.
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>> at first her mother chalked it up to teenage rebellion. . but she called the national hot line to alert authorities. >> i felt really bad. i was feeling guilty. our first reaction is to feel government as a mom. we try to find out the reasons our child suddenly changed. >> the program has allowed a way for her to reconnect with her
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family and still maintain her faith far from the toxic ideology of isis. >> i took the decision not to e gt a new phone. it's better this way. i need to learn how to think by myself. without a phone and internet, there's no one to tell e me what to do anymore. for now i don't feel like going back on social media. >> what advice do you have for other girls like you and how not to fall into those same traps? >> you should always be careful on the internet. don't even go there. don't speak with them. don't take any risk. r for those who are already radicalized, please open your eyes to reality. don't go to syria. it's suicide. it's death. >> there are some days when she's confident. she still fears a relapse. she refuses to have a smart phone and won't touch a computer with internet access. but it's a daily struggle, especially for a a girl so
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young. atika shubert, cnn, paris. >> excellent story. thank you for that. that's it for me. . i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation roo"." the news continues next on cnn. wolf blitzer, thank you so much. great to be with you on this tuesday. i'm brooke baldwin. let's begin with this it political stunner. . 13 days away from the first caucus votes in the state of iowa. the governor there says he wants the front runner defeated. not talking about donald trump here. he's talking about ted cruz. this is a huge development because it comes as donald trump teases a big announce. ment with a a special guest later today on his tour in iowa. neck and neck in iowa u. you see here
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