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so there's lots of reaction tonight to sarah palin's endorsement of donald trump. some is pretty harsh. take a look at this. this is the front page of tomorrow's "new york daily news." very pointed headline, "i'm with stupid." seems kind of mean to me, but you know, we'll see who has the last laugh here. that's it for us. thanks for watching. see you back here tonight. "a.c. 360" starts in just a moment.
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good evening, thanks very much for joining us. tonight less than two weeks from iowa caucuses, nearly eight years since making the mark on the national stage sarah palin is back and standing with donald trump. >> god bless you, god bless the united states of america and our next president of the united states, donald j. trump! >> endorsement came at a rally late today in ames, iowa. the two will campaign together tomorrow. there are a lot of superlatives to describe what we saw on stage less than an hour ago. the superlative you use to describe the scene would probably will guided by your political leanings. all we can do is offer up some of the highlights and say to you, enjoy. >> when asked why i would jump in into a primary, kind of stirring it up a little bit maybe, and choose one over some friends who are running, and i've endorsed a couple others, in their races before they decided to run for president. i was told, you know, warned left and right, you are going to get so clobbered in the press, you are just going to get beat up and chewed up and spit out.
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and, you know, i'm thinking, and? yeah. you know what, you guys haven't tried to do that every day since that night in '08 when i was on stage nominated for v.p. and i got to say, yeah, i'll go, send me, you betcha, i'll serve. we are ready for a change. we are ready and our troops deserve the best. a new commander in chief whose track record of success has proven he is the master at the art of the deal. he is one who would know to negotiate. only one candidate's record of success proves he is the master of the art of the deal. he is beholden to no one but we, the people. how refreshing. he is perfectly positioned to let you make america great again. are you ready for that, iowa?
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no more pussyfooting around. our troops deserve the best. you deserve the best. he's from the private sector, not a politician. can i get a hallelujah? >> hallelujah! >> for the gop establishment to be coming after donald trump's supporters even, with accusations that are so false, they are so busted the way that this thing works. we, you, a diverse, dynamic, needed support base that they would attack. and now some of them even whispering they're ready to throw in for hillary over trump because they can't afford to see the status quo go, otherwise they won't be able to be slurping off the gravy train that's been feeding them all these years. they don't want that to end. well, and then, funny, ha-ha,
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not funny, but now what they're doing is wailing, well, trump and his trumpeters, they're not conservative enough. oh my goodness gracious, what the heck would the establishment know about conservatism? yeah, our leader is a little bit different. he's a multibillionaire. not that there's anything wrong with that. but it's amazing, he is not elitist at all. oh, i just hope you all get to know him more and more as a person and a family man and what he's been able to accomplish with his -- it's kind of this quiet generosity. yeah, maybe his largesse, i don't know, gets in the way of the quiet generosity and his compassion, but if you know him as a person and you'll get to know him more and more, you'll have even more respect not just for his record of success and the good intentions for america, but who he is as a person. he's not an elitist. he builds big things. things that touch the sky. big infrastructure that puts
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other people to work. he has spent his life looking up and respecting the hard hats and the steel-toed boots and the work ethic you all have within you. he, being an optimist, passionate about equal opportunity to work, the self-made success of his, you know that he doesn't get his power, his high off of opium. other people's money. like a lot of dopes in washington do. they're addicted to opium where they take other people's money and then their high is getting to redistribute it. right? then they get to be really popular people when they get to give out your hard money. well, he doesn't do that. i want you to try to picture this. it's a nice thing to picture. exactly one year from tomorrow, former president barack obama -- [ cheers and applause ]
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-- he packs up the teleprompters and the selfie sticks and the great columns and all that hopey-changey stuff where he heads on back to chicago where i'm sure he can find some community to organize there again. there, he can finally look up, president obama will be able to look up and there over his head he'll be able to see that shining, towering trump tower. [ cheers ] yes, barack, he built that and that says a lot. iowa, you say a lot. being here tonight, supporting the right man who will allow you to make america great again, god bless you, god bless the united states of america, and our next president of the united states, donald j. trump! >> oh, what's interesting is
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that wasn't the only potential boost for trump supporters today. iowa governor terry branstad called on fellow republicans to defeat ted cruz on caucus day, no endorsement for any other candidate. more like a loud anti-endorsement for cruz. a call from the state's best known republican, america's longest serving governor to pick anyone but cruz. some are calling it a rough day for the senator from texas. we begin with the real estate developer from new york. joining us for quick thoughts, chief national correspondent, john king, chief political analyst gloria borger, and reporter, david. john, the big question obviously how much impact does sarah palin's endorsement have in iowa and elsewhere? >> we don't know exactly much, anderson. in this unorthodox apolitical year, a guy who's not ideological like donald trump is the national republican front-runner, i don't want to overstate the value of any particular endorsement, even that of sarah palin. but donald trump is under attack right now from where? ted cruz say he's not a conservative. sarah palin, someone who has a great relationship with the conservative base say, of course, he's a conservative. the establishment is attacking
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donald trump saying he's not a republican. sarah palin who was the vice presidential nominee for the republican party and governor of alaska says of course he's a republican. i think most importantly, what does donald trump do that no other candidate can do? dominates the media on television, internet, social media. and who else in america if you're thinking about a big political figure who can do that? sarah palin. in a crowded race if you can take up so much oxygen, trust me, that helps. >> gloria, i mean, it's not just an endorsement. sarah palin agreed to campaign with donald trump the coming days which signals a much more active kind of support. >> yeah, she's going to be there to mobilize the republican base. to energize conservatives and evangelical voters who have had questions about donald trump particularly ones raised by ted cruz and others so i think what she does is she commands the vast audiences, she mobilizes the voters, and she's another celebrity. so you have a star and another star. >> david, i mean, sarah palin didn't throw direct jabs at ted cruz.
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she kind of gave a shout-out to rand paul. how much do you read into the fact she didn't even mention cruz directly because obviously palin and cruz have been allies up until now? she endorsed him and she credits her with helping him win the senate. >> that's right. there's no doubt she was a big help to him. in fact, he was sort of trying to preempt any attacks coming his way when he tweeted out earlier, there was speculation she was going to endorse trump tonight saying no matter what she decides in 2016, you know, he still has great respect for sarah palin. she's not going to be the donald trump attack dog i don't think and throw attacks toward ted cruz. i think she's an anonymous momentum halt at the moment for ted cruz just as talk radio conservatives were starting to get a little itchy about donald trump and his attacks against cruz, she sort of just is able to jump in and halt all of that for a moment. cruz isn't going to cede the ground obviously and he's going to fight like heck and get back on his message and taking his attacks to donald trump, but my
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god, sarah palin is going to be a great validater in these final 13 days before the caucuses for donald trump. >> i also want to look at what's in this for her doing this right now. everybody stay right there. i want to take a quick break. we're going to talk more after the break and talk about the long political romance that led up to this moment and the shared sensibility trump and palin at least seem to have. later, there's new polling that shows a truly striking lead for bernie sanders in new hampshire. hillary clinton says she's ready for a long, tough campaign. we'll look at whether the numbers in new hampshire and elsewhere are pointing in that direction and what each candidate has to do to win. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in the hudson valley, with world class biotech. and on long island, where great universities are creating next generation technologies.
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before we talk more with our panel about tonight's breaking news and the impact of it, i want to play you another moment from the event, sarah palin endorsing donald trump amplifying the message he's trying to send. >> he knows the main thing and knows how to lead the charge, so troops, hang in there because help's on the way because he better than anyone, isn't he known for being able to command,
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fire -- are you ready for a commander in chief -- [ applause ] are you ready for a commander in chief who will let our warriors do their job and go kiss isis' ass? >> clearly the ex-candidate and current candidate share a tone and a political sensibilities. randi kaye reports some of the signs were plain to see nearly eight years ago. >> reporter: the political romance between donald trump and sarah palin began in the campaign of 2008. >> made a tremendous impact. the impact that she has had on rejuvenating almost the republican party, it's been unbelievable. >> reporter: palin needed that vote of confidence coming less than three weeks after her announcement as mccain's vp. she was already facing tough questions about her experience. >> you know, i'm the new energy. >> reporter: questions that would hit critical mass just a
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week after trump's praise of palin. during his now infamous interview with katie couric. >> what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand -- >> i've read most of them, again, with a great appreciation for the press, for the media. >> like what ones specifically? i'm curious. >> all of them. >> reporter: palin did not go on to be vice president and resigned as governor of alaska in 2009. she became a full-time pundit and released two books. then in 2011 at the height of trump's so-called birther campaign against president obama, the two had a highly publicized pizza date while palin flirted with her own run for president. >> how about a trump/palin ticket? >> that sounds exciting. sounds unconventional. >> how's it sound to you, donald? >> sounds very good. >> reporter: palin in turn had trump's back on the birther issue. >> i respect what he's doing, putting his money where his mouth is. he's actually investigating his speculation there on obama's birth certificate. ♪
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>> reporter: fast forward to june 2015. donald trump announces he's running for president and says this. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists and some, i assume, are good people. >> reporter: it ignited a firestorm. palin defended him on facebook writing, "mr. trump should know he's doing something right when the malcontents go ballistic in the press." in july trump got another taste of presidential campaign backlash for saying this about senator john mccain. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren't captured, okay? i hate to tell you. >> reporter: many wondered if it would be the beginning of the end of trump's meteoric rise. palin called both men heroes in an e-mail to cnn writing "senator mccain dedicated his life to serving our country putting it all on the line to defend freedom is historic, and donald trump is a hero in another arena."
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in december another trump firestorm. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> reporter: and another defense by palin. >> he's talking about a temporary ban because we do have a very screwed up system that is resulting in the bad guys coming on over. >> thank you. >> reporter: and today, the political love affair continues. it's anybody's guess just how far it will go. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> the trump campaign got a reminder late today that sarah palin also brings her share of complications to the table. her son, track, arrested monday in a string of charges, domestic violence, assault on a female, interfering with domestic violence report and possessing a weapon while intoxicated. he's being held without bail until arraignment. back with the panel, john king, gloria borger, and david. john, when you hear ted cruz say he's still a huge fan of sarah
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palin, owes a lot to her, which obviously he does, he's trying to take the high road. i guess what else is he going to say? this endorsement has got to hurt, at least frustrate him. >> sure, it stinks. again, what are we talking about tonight, right? when you have 12 candidates in the race, even if one of them, ted cruz, is in a dead heat with donald trump in iowa, all of them are desperate to get attention. i had a republican strategist e-mail me the other guys would have to get arrested to get as nearly as much attention as trump is getting for the second week in row, this because of sarah palin. ted cruz is taking the high road. ted cruz thinks he has the organization in iowa, evangelical support in his corner he can run or come in a dead heat with donald trump. already you do see some, this was on the books i'm sure already. now donald trump has sarah palin. guess what, ted cruz is going to roll out glenn beck in iowa later this week. you try to bring in the celebrities you can to gin up attention. i'm betting in camp trump tonight. they prefer to have sarah palin. ted cruz will do what he can. don't count cruz out. he has a great organization on the ground. again, this complicates.
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cruz needs iowa. if trump can win iowa, a lot of people are saying the palin endorsement could be very valuable down the road if cruz falters, sarah palin can help donald trump with skeptical evangelicals in the south. let's watch this play out. >> gloria, cruz needs iowa. what does sarah palin need? what does palin want out of this? she's been out of the mainstream spotlight several years. she has a lot of clout among conservatives. published successful books, had television shows. but, you know, as the years tick by she becomes the distance grows between when she was actually in the mix as a candidate or even as a governor which she didn't complete her term. so what does she get? >> well, she gets to be a player again. she gets to be back in the mix. that she wants to be in. donald trump provides the perfect template for her. i think the most interesting part of her speech tonight was the kind of anti-establishment riff and i think that's what we're going to hear a lot of from sarah palin. she said they are so busted, and
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she said, you know, we're mad because we've been had. and that's what she's going to talk about. she's going to talk about political correctness, which donald trump talks about. so i think they're singing from the same page. he's a star. and i think she adds to his star power and, you know, it's going to be important to see the kind of crowds that she draws because that's going to be key for donald trump because she'll bring out those voters for him and if he wins, she's going to be an important part of that and he's going to owe her something. >> it's interesting, david, to have sarah palin saying that the establishment is claiming donald trump's not a conservative, but he really is. i mean, it's ted cruz who's claiming donald trump is not a conservative, among others. >> that is true. i mean, the establishment i think did it early on. remember, jeb bush tried that line of attack. it wasn't working when it came from jeb bush. what may work for ted cruz in iowa is that if it's coming from somebody who's perceived to be a real conservative and of that
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element of the party, it could have a little more sting for donald trump and trust me, talking to the cruz campaign today, they are going to continue that line of attack. that donald trump was, you know, for gay marriage or he was pro-choice, he supported t.a.r.p., the bailout in 2008, supported barack obama's stimulus package. these are all things ted cruz started sprinkling into his stump speech. they rolled out the 1999 interview with tim russert. that's where they're going to continue to press the case that donald trump is not tried and true and that is why sarah palin being out there day in and day out for these next two weeks for trump to try to push back on that is clearly going be helpful for the trump campaign. >> just even more fascinating today. david, gloria borger. john king, stay with us. we're going to have more on where all of this and governor branstad's anti-endorsement leaves ted cruz who as john king mentioned has his own very strong following in iowa. we'll be right back. these are the hands
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well, the breaking news, sarah palin endorsing donald trump. the other potentially big news, some might even say bigger news,
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iowa governor terry branstad denouncing ted cruz saying he'd be bad for the state, calling for his defeat. >> i believe that would be a big mistake for iowa to support him, and i know he's ahead in the polls but the only poll that counts is the one they take on caucus night and i think it could change between now and then. i think this event is an important, significant step to helping educate the voters in this state and this state is where it all begins. >> the question now, will this be a big boost, or as big a boost as it appears for donald trump? our next guest, sam, i assume has high hopes. donald trump's campaign co-chair and veteran of iowa politics. knows it better than most. also with us, cnn political commentator and former ted cruz strategist, amanda carpenter, and republican strategist, rich galen. sam, how good was today for your candidate? >> it was a great day for us. we had three big events. we were down in winterset, john wayne's hometown, then we did the renewable fuels summit then
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came up for a great event here in ames tonight with governor palin joining us here in the venue. >> how important is not only sarah palin's endorsement, but also the anti-endorsement of ted cruz by the governor? >> well, i think it's really -- it's a matter of which segment of the voting population they each might appeal to. i think with governor palin, she is a rock star still in the state of iowa. she has a tremendous following here. if you ever see social media associated with her, she has maintained a very high level, high profile here in the state so it really helps. i think for us it helps galvanize voters for us. we're working well on the track to get our people out to vote. i think this is huge. the other part of it is i think it softens the support for some of the other candidates. if we see governor branstad coming out here talking about something that's very important to the state of iowa, renewable fuels and we know the record of senator cruz, and so it's not
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anything that we ought to be surprised by because we have a governor who served longer than any other governor in the history of this country and he loves iowa and he's here to support iowa so he's going to do all he can to make sure iowa's taken care of. part of that is to keep after the renewable fuel issue for us in the state. >> amanda, conversely, how big a blow is this, both these things, for senator cruz, your former boss? >> well, i checked in with aides at the cruz campaign. here's how they put it. they said, you know, one day donald trump gets his day in the sun, but tomorrow he's going to have to quit standing behind sarah palin and governor branstad and explain to voters what kind of republican he is. frankly, i think this comes to why sarah palin's endorsement is so baffling to many conservatives. sarah palin came from the tea party movement. she was embraced at a time when we all were supporting conservative values, the constitution, and, you know, donald trump doesn't -- he hasn't shown to have those same
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principles. donald trump has been for the stimulus, the bailouts. he uses litigation as warfare against political opponents. he supports eminent domain and thinks he can tell private business where and how to do business. to me, that doesn't line up to what the tea party stood for so either donald trump is going to be supporting ethanol subsidies and not fighting for those tea party values or he's not. frankly he's never been made to explain it. and at some point he's going to have to do that and explain what he does stand for aside from donald trump. >> but, i mean, rich, jumping off amanda's point, he is going to be able to stand by sarah palin for the rest of the time, or at least for a while because she's going to be out campaigning with him. if -- how significant a day do you think this was for trump? >> well, on the sarah palin front, let me just say, first, that i'm in full curmudgeon mode. i hate them aill so i don't very >> full what? curmudgeon?
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sorry. >> i don't think sarah palin brings very many new voters to trump. i think what amanda was saying may have -- may have some -- what everybody's been saying, it may harden his support for people who are going to vote for him, anyway, but i find it hard to believe that somebody who is not going to vote for trump will now vote for trump because of sarah palin. >> doesn't it sort of suck the air out of, you know, what everybody else's -- >> that's right. it is true. the other side of that is suffocation of the two candidates, of both of them. trump/palin/trump, i practiced this all the way to the studio, you have a palindrome of snorkyness. and i think -- and we'll soon see if sarah palin is given the same teflon treatment that donald trump has been given when she starts spouting off. i'm not so sure that's going to be such a good thing. they may find it's the old saying, be careful what you wish for. >> sam, can you give us any sense of sort of how this
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endorsement came about? i mean, i assume they haven't necessarily been meeting a lot given, you know, donald trump's schedule, but perhaps they have. can you give us any sense of how the backstory on this? >> well, i think you ought to look at who we have employed in the campaign and that will give you a clear insight as to how the introduction may have occurred and i think that there's also something that we're not talking about, and that's the appeal of the message. this popular -- conservative populist message we have. i want to take exception to this because we have some of the strongest conservatives in the state of iowa and around the country working on this campaign, so i'm a little bit taken aback by the fact that we're, you know, we're accused of not being conservative because this campaign is staffed with conservatives and people who have a very strong sense of what the populist message is and that's exactly where we're going. america and americans first. so i think that this is really what the appeal of this has been all about. and i don't think it is out of sink with the tea party values
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at all. when i ran for the united states senate, i was endorsed by the tea party patriots and so i -- so i think that we understand what those values are. and i think also, if you take a look at how people evolve over time, you know, we can sit here and talk about flip-flops, we can do all of that. i think we ought to leave it at the fact that maybe people evolve over time and play when they get over they see their children grow and have grandchildren, things start to settle in on them and start to realize, hey, things respect going in the right direction, i better start paying attention to this, maybe i can do something about it. >> amanda, respond then we got to go. >> yeah, i was going to say one of the things i liked that sarah palin talked about in the speech was standing up to special interests. the biggest special interest in iowa is ethanol. if you're not willing to tell the truth about how you'll stop those subsidies in iowa, how are you going to stand up to the hundreds -- >> let's stop right there. there are no subsidies. there are no subsidies for corn ethanol in this state. the only part of the ethanol
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that gets any subsidies at all is biomass. that has been -- >> yeah, but there's -- >> so that's the only subsidies that exist. >> that's not fair, though. that's not fair. there is a requirement that fuel almost everywhere, gasoline, have an ethanol component, so it may not be a direct subsidy, but there is a federal requirement -- >> that's controlled by the epa. >> in iowa, if donald trump won't stand up for it, he should not be trusted to fight special interests. that is my main point. >> we'll have more on ethanol later on this week. >> not buying that. >> sam, always good to have you on. amanda carpenter. rich. thank you all. just ahead, more breaking news tonight. a surge for bernie sanders in new hampshire. a surge putting it mildly. according to new polling his lead over hillary clinton is getting bigger. john king is going to break down the numbers, next.
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the new poll was mostly conducted before the debate. john king is back. how big a lead does bernie sa sanders have? >> these numbers are stunning. bernie sanders up according to our numbers by 27 points. 60% of democrats and independents who say they're likely to vote in the democratic primary in new hampshire, 60% for sanders, 33% for clinton. a month ago bernie sanders was at 50%, hillary clinton at 40%. sanders still leads and with growing momentum. one top sanders ally in new hampshire joked with me tonight, can you please just say it's 15% or so? they don't want their team to get overconfident. 27 points according to this poll. there are others showing a closer race. there's no question at the moment bernie sanders has momentum. why? 26% of democrats in new hampshire say jobs and the economy are number one. 10% say income inequality. those are big issues for bernie sanders. let's compare this to a month ago when you had foreign policy was the number one issue. the economy is now back at number one. income inequality has gone from 3% to 10% in just a month,
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anderson. the issues portfolio among new hampshire democratic likely voters has tilted in bernie sanders' way. the economy is the number one issue to voters and by 57%-33% they think bernie sanders is better able to handle the economy. you do see secretary clinton maintains her edge on foreign policy but jobs and the economy now issue one and the voters, the democratic voters in new hampshire, think bernie sanders is the guy to handle that. >> does sanders have other things working in his favor in new hampshire beyond just sort of economic issues? >> yes, that is a key factor in his momentum as he makes a case that he's the movement candidate, a change candidate. hillary clinton has been trying to say, i'm a better president, i'm more electable, i don't need a tour of the oval office, for example. new hampshire democratic voters, those likely to vote in the democratic primary were asked who has qualities you want in a president? personal characteristics? look at this. 58%. nearly six in ten say bernie
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sanders, only 1/3 say hillary clinton. new hampshire, the upstart candidate, underdog candidate, at the beginning of the race, bernie sanders, more as a president. that's helping him in these polls. favorabili favorability, likability matters. there's no question, new hampshire democrats, 2/3. they like hillary clinton. 91% have a favorable rating of bernie sanders. they love bernie sanders in new hampshire right now among the democratic electorate. here's one other thing to take a look at. democratic voters were asked of your candidates who's the least honest? 55% said hillary clinton. only 2% said bernie sanders. 5% say governor martin o'malley. again, this is not democrats saying hillary clinton is dishonest but saying she's the least honest of their candidates. no question, anderson. not just the sanders attacks. remember, a lot of the republicans are in new hampshire all the time, too, attacking hillary clinton. it's taking a toll. >> john, thank you very much. fascinating numbers. joining us to talk about it cnn political commentator and "new yorker's" washington correspondent ryan lizza. also paul, political director and anchor at new hampshire 1 news. ryan, this poll, the clinton
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campaign, i saw on erin's show, saying look, this is an outlier. what do you make of it? secretary clinton has half the support senator sanders has with just three weeks to go. >> john pointed out you don't want to look at one poll, you want to look at the trend. but it is eye-popping, right? he has built-in advantages in new england. he's from neighboring vermont. voters in new hampshire know him. the favorability rating suggests the clinton campaign by not going after him by allowing his favorability to be in the high 90s among democrats and by not giving new hampshire voters alternative information about bernie sanders to raise some questions about him, you know, to go negative as the political consultants would say, may have been a big mistake just as a lot of clinton veterans thought it was a mistake not to go more negative on barack obama in 2008 until it was way too late and i wonder in the final stretch here if they're going to start to, you know, bring out -- go a little bit harder against bernie sanders. they have to do something to
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bring his numbers down. she is in danger of losing iowa and new hampshire at this point. >> paul, in terms of new hampshire voters, you pointed out in the past they don't necessarily make up their minds until closer to the actual vote, so could the end result end up being much different than what we're seeing right now? >> could be dramatically different. that's the history up here, the tradition. we got three weeks to go anderson, until the primary. look at the exit polls from 2008, the last time we had a contested democratic primary up here, almost half of the democratic primary voters didn't make up their minds until almost the last week. that's kind of the tradition up here on both sides in republican and democratic primaries. the big question, you had a lot of independents in your poll, where are the independent voters in new hampshire? they make un40% of the electorate. where are they going to go? are they going to vote in the democratic primary or republican primary? i talked to people close to the hillary clinton and bernie sanders campaigns tonight in new hampshire. both were saying they thought the poll was an outlier, too big a lead.
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both campaigns i guess are saying they don't believe the numbers but i will say, anderson, on a very bitterly cold night in new hampshire, your poll is making a lot of hot news. >> ryan, i mean, again, the numbers, 58% of those polls said sanders has presidential qualities. he got much higher marks on handling the economy than clinton. his favorability 91%. >> yeah. >> granted he has the advantage of being from a neighboring state. these kind of numbers, do they point, you think, to specific weak spots that clinton has in the minds of voters? >> i think two things. one, as the trust question, of course, suggests that even democrats have questions about her trust, even democrats that like her. the second thing is, as you point out, people are starting to see him as presidential material. that was a big hurdle starting off in this race. he's an independent, he self-identifies as a socialist. you know, he's an older candidate. all these things that were sort of burdens at the start of the sanders campaign that he's overcoming. remember, he's a candidate that matches up very well with a
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certain type of democrat. right? >> right. >> liberal white progressives. upper midwest and new england. they're plentiful. once the race leaves new hampshire and gets to the south, the conventional wisdom has been, well, non-white voters, latino voters, african-american voters, they have never shown any inclination to support sanders and the next thing is to watch for those numbers change. does sanders break through that wall and then hillary clinton has a very big problem. >> yeah. i kept wondering what joe biden thinks looking at this poll in particular. does he regret not jumping in the race? >> absolutely. showing some real clinton weakness. >> yeah, exactly. paul, quickly, if you look at the democratic makeup in new hampshire, doesn't represent the democratic makeup of the rest of the country. 94% white. how accurate of an indicator is it in terms of how the rest of the race will play out? >> you make a good point but the first two states, iowa, new hampshire, are overwhelmingly white. that plays to bernie sanders'
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advantage. momentum matters, anderson. if he does well in iowa, does well and wins here, momentum could make a difference. >> it is, again, fascinating numbers. ryan lizza, paul, good to have you on. just ahead, this week we're bringing you stories from cnn anchors and correspondents about the people who changed their lives. up next, dr. sanjay gupta introduces us to his mentor, how she's made a lasting impact on his life and career. >> did you already talk to the family? ♪ ♪so nice ♪so nice, so nice ♪ spend a few days in the u.s. virgin islands and return with a lifetime of experiences. that's virgin islands nice. ♪so nice, so nice
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all this week cnn anchors and correspondents are honoring the people who made a great impact on their lives. people who have changed their lives. it's leading up to a special airing this weekend called "the person who changed my life." tonight cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta's story of strength and p perseverance and lasting influence of a truly inspiring mentor. >> my job is to take off all of this bone here and some of the bone back here. >> reporter: okay. so it isn't hard to see why this woman is high impact. i mean, right now she's operating on the brain of this 2-year-old boy. she's training a team of surgeons. and nearly 25 years after we first met, she is still teaching me about the wonders of the brain. >> our job is to kind of recapitulate what should have happened in nature. >> reporter: yes, she's doing all of this from a wheelchair. i remember the first time i met
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her we were walking down the hall and just talking and she wore a brace on her leg. i didn't know how fast to walk. i didn't know if i should walk more slowly, but i didn't want to be disrespectful. so i was kind of lingering along and i'll never forget at some point she looked at me and said, why are you walking so slow? let's go. that set the tone for us right from the beginning. >> hey. >> reporter: you see, karin isn't the person who just changed my life. >> sanjay. >> yes, ma'am. >> reporter: she's changed thousands. most of them her patients. >> everything has gone well so far. all right, guys, take care. >> reporter: there's no doctor i've ever met that can truly understand the experience of her patients like karin. >> this kid has two -- >> reporter: born with spina bifida, a malformation of her spinal cord, expectations were not high for karin as a little girl, to put it gently.
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>> my mom and grandmother had philosophical conversations about what would be good for me. my grandmother would say to my mother, don't push her so much. you know, a handicap girl, the most she's ever going to do is sell pencils on a corner or be able to maybe help out in the library. and my mom would say, no, no, no, that's not true, you never know what kids can do. >> reporter: even her own mother couldn't have predicted how quickly karin would excel on the conventional playground of men. there's this great picture of you i think at columbia. >> columbia graduating from medical school. >> you're easy to pick out in that picture. it's all men. standing all around you. >> all men in gray and blue suits. and what you can't tell, because of the photograph you see it's black and white, is i'm in a red and white suit. at the apex of the triangle. sitting in the front row. >> how'd they treat you? >> i think that they treated me at times fairly and some people were just great mentors.
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some of my mentors were i think damn proud of the fact they could take someone who didn't look like the mold of a neurosurgeon and make them into a neurosurgeon. >> i present to you karin, 2015 distinguished service award winner. >> reporter: karin didn't just break the mold, she shattered it. today karin has been given one of the highest awards from the congress of neurological surgeons not just for her work in the united states but around the world. >> thanks very much, i appreciate it. okay. excellent. >> reporter: like here in guatemala where she's volunteering her time to the neediest of patients. >> to be able to take a scalpel to another human being and leave them with a scar, you have to have an awful lot in the faith in the fact you're going to be able to something good for them. things went really well. but if you truly believe that and never constantly ask yourself, am i doing the right
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thing, you're in trouble. >> tell me about when you guys first met. it was a blind date. >> blind date. >> first blind date either one of you had been on. >> never had a blind date before that. >> reporter: karin is also a wife to husband, scott, and a mother to paxton and alexandria. two amazing children they adopted from russia. as i sat with them, the question i kept asking myself, how does a person with such genuine humility who shattered all those molds, who redefined the rules, also become the first woman chair of neurosurgery in the entire country? >> oh, lord. i never aspired to be that. i'll be very honest. i was the last person standing. i mean -- >> come on. >> it's true. it's true. okay. >> karin you -- the modesty is -- >> it's the honest truth. >> it's not the truth. >> so she wasn't the last man standing. she was the first woman standing. >> i like that. that's great. before i got into medical school, i didn't really understand the value of mentorship, i think.
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and i think a lot of people who -- if you were to ask them how important is a mentor and if they told you, not that important, it probably means they never had a great mentor. karin always told me the things i needed to hear, not just what i wanted to hear. >> my job is to be a little bit like your mom or your dad. remind you a little bit about also what you are which is a doctor who took an oath, who cares so deeply about his patients who recognizes not an insignificant part of who he is is that physician, that surgeon. >> what i heard karin say throughout my residency was i don't care who you are, the person working in the hospital, the patient, a colleague, whoever it may be, everyone matters equally and infinitely, and i don't think there's a more powerful message in terms of shaping who i am and shaping a lot of the people that she's trained. can i have a hug? i love you. this all was a great reminder
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about how necessary it is to take the time to tell people how much they change your life. >> took you 25 years to get this. you realize one of your hardest won interviews. >> it probably is. you don't like to be interviewed. >> no. >> is this weird for you? >> yeah. extremely weird. >> i mean, what an incredible, incredible woman. how challenging is her job, given her disability? >> well, look, when you're training, when she was training, when i was training, you're talking over 100 hours a week. >> right. >> that's just training part of your life. some of the operations, they can take over a full day. so imagine her, she was in a brace, having difficulty even walking let alone standing for that long and she would do it, you know, and as part of this interview, sometimes you get to ask questions that i otherwise would never have asked. >> sure. >> she said she would come in earlier than everybody else en and leave later. i said, i never knew that. she said that was the point.
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she did it so it was never an issue when she was training people and working extra hard. >> she's so inspiring. for young girls to see. you have three daughters. >> yeah. >> she's got to be a role model for them. >> she absolutely is. there were a couple things. i think you'll appreciate this. sometimes you have to be faced with a really significant obstacle to really recognize how far you can soar. i mean, i'm really lucky i think to have her in my life. >> yeah. i'm so glad we all now have her in our lives. >> yeah, absolutely. >> thanks, sanjay. >> you got it. thank you. >> amazing woman. we'll be right back. mmm, a perfect 177-degrees. and that's why this road warrior rents from national. i can bypass the counter and go straight to my car. and i don't have to talk to any humans, unless i want to. and i don't. and national lets me choose any car in the aisle. control. it's so, what's the word?... sexy. go national. go like a pro.
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hey, that's it for us. thanks for watching. right now the cnn special report, "who killed freddie gray." the following is a cnn special report. >> the following is a cnn special report. >> this is where it happened, where mr. gray was arrested? >> exactly one week after he was critically injured and arrested in west baltimore, gray has died. >> a young man's life cut short while in police custody and without any clear explanation why. >> he did suffer a tragic injury to his spinal cord. >> a tragic injury some wl