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anniversary joking. >> what if i were to choose donald trump as my running mate? and i can see russia from my house. >> reporter: i can see the snl folks desperately trying to track down one of these sold out sweaters for tina fey. thank you so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening, john berman in for anderson. breaking news on two fronts, new polling reveals the makings of a political avalanche in iowa and a very real, very dangerous blizzard. let's begin with the blizzard and believe it or not, these pictures you're looking at now just a preview. a single inch of snow did that in washington overnight and if the forecast holds, get ready for two more feet on top of that in some parts. take a look at the map. late computer models show 30 inches or more in the washington d.c. area. blizzard warnings there and in
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baltimore 30 million people right now, 30 million facing warnings and watches about 75 million from kentucky to maine in the storm's expected path. they could be facing in addition to snow, gail force winds, tornados, coastal flooding and airlines cancelling flights and amtrak scaling back service and new york taking steps to make sure what happened during sandy does not happen again. public transit in washington shutting down the only bright note came late today. police there say they will not stop kids from sliding on the capital grounds. we'll get the latest from chad myers shortly but first, the political avalanche. new polling in iowa shows big leads for donald trump and bernie sanders, big however, as you will also see, they also come with a big catch. tom foreman has been running the numbers and joins us now, tom? >> this is the big news from the cold fields of iowa out there. look at this, among republicans that say they are likely to caucus, donald trump is now at
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37%, a full 11 points ahead of ted cruz and for the democrats among those likely to caucus, bernie sanders, look at that, 51%. that's an eight-point lead over hillary clinton, a big jump for him and a significant decline for her. why is this happening? on the republican side it is simply a matter of asking the voter whose do you trust to handle the economy? donald trump by a big margin there. what about illegal immigration? donald trump by a huge margin and what about the best chance for winning in november against the democrat, again, donald trump with the big numbers there, john. >> all right. tom, what about the democrats? is happening on that side? >> same sort of thing. bernie sanders managed to grab some of the issues. same question, who do you trust to handle the economy? 58% to 36% for her. what about the question of health care? 51% in favor of him despite her experience in this field and despite her very vocal support
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of obamacare. she beats him in foreign policy and look at this, she also beats him when you ask the democrats in iowa who can beat the republican in november? but democrats there think he represents their values better and according to the poll and will help the middle close more, john. >> all right, tom. both trump and sanders seem to be drawing large numbers from people that neither never voted or don't vote all the time. how does that play into this equation? >> let's go back to the first big tally and talk about that. remember, we said likely iowa caucus goers but if you look at these numbers and change this from likely to who actually showed up the last time there was a contested election there for the republicans. watch how it changes. look at those people suddenly a dead heat with cruz with a tiny edge there and if you go to the democrats, same effect. likely iowa caucus goers, he's got a big lead but you go to the people that actually showed up last time, hillary clinton gets
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an even bigger lead. the question is going to be in that cold iowa snowy weather will all those people who say they will show up actually show up? if they do, it will be a very big exciting night no question, john. >> that's a huge discrepancy. tom foreman, thanks so much. clearly major potential for upheaval in the races that seems fitting for this campaign season that keeps getting wilder. we'll dig deeper into the shifting sands the starting with the republicans and bring in john king who is in secedar rapids, iowa and nia mallika henderson and dana bash in washington. john, i want to start with you on the likely voter screen. there is the issue of people that showed up to caucus before and there is a huge difference in this case. it gets to the issue of the ground game. what are you seeing in terms of the ground game when it comes to donald trump and ted cruz?
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>> it's a fascinating question, john, when you go from campaign to campaign, the trump people think you will have record turnout for the republican caucuses and if that is the case and people come out of the wood work, many would be there for the first time as you just discussed, many would have to register to vote as republicans. if that happens, if you see turnout numbers around 170,000, anywhere approaching 200,000, guess what? we'll have a good night for donald trump during the iowa caucuses. the other campaigns, ted cruz will go up because he thinks he'll turn out 30,000 evangelical voters. other campaigns think we'll have a traditional turnout. mitt romney shy of 30,000, two times in iowa. one time it was good for 25%. mike huckabee won in 2008 with 40,000 votes. that's all it took, 40,000 votes for huckabee to win in 2008 when the turnout for the caucuses was right around 120,000 people. so if you get 120 to 135, then rand paul thinks he'll surprise the pollsters and maybe come in third.
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if you get a bigger turnout they expect donald trump. what are we going to look for and gauge on the ground here are the younger voters going to turn out? are the older voters going to come if it's a cold night and drive on ice roads and stay at a caucus for 30 minutes, 45 minutes or an hour? are they going to show up? these are unvariables, if you will, unknowns in the final days of a campaign and some of the campaigns are saying we don't believe the turnout will be that high and we'll run a traditional operation like 2008, like 2012 that's the rubio campaign calculations. the trump campaign thinks we'll be surprised and guess what? we won't know until caucus night. >> no, a week and a few days. there seems to be an uptick in prominent republicans, bob doll criticizing donald trump. sorry, criticizing ted cruz. a lot of people quoting "the new york times", as well. donald trump spoke about the fact there are people saying he's a better option than ted cruz.
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listen. >> cruz is going down. he's going down. no, he's having a hard time. he looks like a nervous wreck. he's going down. he had his moment. he had his moment. he had his moment and he blew it. here is a united states senator, republican, doesn't have support of one other republican senator. there is something wrong there and i can tell you they like me, those guys, and there is nothing wrong with that, folks. we got to make deals. >> dana, you have spoken to ted cruz about this issue a lot. about the issue that he isn't seen as widely liked on capitol hill among senators but you also know, we both know from talking to the campaign, they see this a little differently. >> well, they are trying to wear it as a badge of honor and a big part of his stump speech and trying to appeal to voters. i was on the ground in iowa with him a couple weeks ago and he took great comfort in saying that he needs a food tester when he's with his fellow republicans
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in the senate. that is something that he says that is important as a guy who is going to break the washington cartel. he says that over and over again. he's not wrong. donald trump is not wrong that ted cruz is not well-liked among fellow republicans. he does not have one single senate supporter or endorsement. that is all true. but again, if you are the cruz campaign, trying to appeal to people who are so angry at washington, even and especially their own party, they think that this whole idea that donald trump is saying well maybe it's not so bad to be kind of establishment. they think he is walking into a trap. we'll see if that's true. >> they say low favorability in the senate. senator cruz keeps hitting donald trump on the so-called establishment issue. i want to play you sound of what cruz said today in new hampshire. >> and i would know perhaps one of the reasons the washington establishment is rushing so
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quickly behind donald trump. is that donald has been an active supporter and gave $100,000 to the clinton foundation. he's actively supported hillary clinton as a political candidate and chuck schumer and andrew cuomo. >> nia, i remember in the very first republican debate rand paul going after donald trump on this issue that donald trump supported democrats. it's been out there for months and months. for ted cruz. >> he's in a much better position to make this argument. he flubbed and you saw donald trump really come back at him but i do think this could work for him. if you look at the polls in iowa, especially 70% of iowa caucus goers on the gop side
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like it be it donald trump, be it ted cruz or be it carson. so he knows if he tags trump as sort of a figure of the establishment, a new york figure, most of those people he listed were from new york that this could ding some of his standing among these people who really want change. the voters i talked to today want a disrupter. if you look at the des moines disrupter, a leader, as well and so this plays as dana said into cruz' hands in a lot of ways because if he's able to in someways paint donald trump as part of the new york liberal establishment even which is what he seems to be trying to do, i think this does him good. the problem is he's got so short of time to do this. i mean, this caucus is coming up on monday and as you've seen from trump so far, he's been so anti establishment that's going to be hard to reverse that in
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voters' minds. >> john, some establishment folks, though, are also lashing out at donald trump. katy packer the deputy campaign manager for mitt room knee running a group putting out mailers and might do tv, the national review is coming out with this special issue, which bay sec basically says god help us, not donald trump. will this have any effect on him? >> it seems to be if not embracing trump, at least preparing to embrace trump and conservatives say wait a minute. this is a guy who said hillary clinton was great at one point and said single pair health care was great at one point and said he put his sister on the supreme court and she supported abortion right. a lot of conservatives are saying wait a minute, we're not ready for donald trump and we're going to fight donald trump. will it have an impact? this is such an unconventional year. trump supporters don't look to endorsements although perhaps the sarah palin endorsement helps. if it's a close race and moves a
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few people, it will help. look for this to be the tone. you mentioned the national review and look for ted cruz and evangelical pastors to get tougher in the last week because they have the same conclusion. why are our guys following this guy when he has this past history when he has this history of flip-flopping and changing his mind on issues, don't they want a consistent conservative? look for this to play out in the final ten days but the big question we've had about trump since day one, do the attacks work? >> he can say i've got sarah palin. you can take the national review. thanks so much. just ahead, they are some of the loudest voices when it comes to politics, the ones with the widest reach and loyal followers and they, too, are starting to take sides. we'll hear what rush limbaugh and conservative radio has to say about donald trump and other contenders next. and later, bernie sanders surging, hillary clinton launches her most forceful
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cruz now at last hitting back hard. cruz also got a big endorsement recently or he heard that glen beck will be appearing with him this weekend on "the stump" which brings up a storm cloud that is forming on donald trump's horizon and all over conservative talk radio. here again, tom foreman. >> you know, we won't wait, we'll go ahead, right? >> surrounded by adoring fans and roaring rallies, donald trump has enjoyed oceans of praise on conservative radio. >> the last ten minutes of what trump did last night sealed the deal. the sin sappreciation. >> reporter: now that he's taking on his closest challenger, ted cruz. the tide is turning. >> a genuine conservative, even in the republican field would not go after cruz this way. >> the attack on cruz in many ways is an attack on us. that's the problem. >> reporter: when trump and cruz were playing nice, it was a
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different story. last summer conservative radio gushed over the big city businessman. >> i'm for trump. point blank, best choice we have. >> reporter: but as the months passed and the battle with cruz became inevitable, the conservative talkers sharpened words. >> there is a lot of people in the gop that are like look, he's better than hillary clinton. maybe, i don't know. >> lawrence tribe and numerous of harvard, said there is a serious question as to whether or not ted can do this, okay? there are other attorneys that feel and very, very fine constitutional attorneys that feel that because he was not born on the land, he cannot run for office. >> reporter: trump's challenge to cruz' citizen ship brought a brutal response to mark leaven that posted new york city bully tactics, adding friendly advise, donald, either cut the crap or
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you will lose lots and lots of consecutives and rush limbaugh. >> i think trump is making a strategic error. it's unrealistic to expect they won't go after each other. >> the conservative talkers will almost certainly hurt trump if they keep hitting him this way but if he looks like he could win the nomination and the white house, they could change their tune again. after all, they have been mad at the democrats a whole lot longer. john? >> all right. tom foreman, thanks so much. a lot to talk about here. joining me now a familiar voice on consecutive radio, hue huet, host of the hugh hewitt show. i want to start with your thoughts on donald trump's reaction to glenn back appearing with ted cruz this weekend. donald trump tweeted whack o glen beck is a sad answer to the sarah palin endorsement that cruz so desperately wanted.
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glenn is failing krooiing lost soul. >> i had carly fiorina this week, marco rubio tomorrow. donald is coming back next week. jeb bush will be back. i have them all on and i will vote for whomever the party nominates, i'll endorse them. i have stayed switzerland. what is going on is those not oc doing the debates are picking upsides and telling you what they really think. that's what consecondtive talk radio has done is shift through everything and tell you what they think and amp fie the voice. senator cruz good friend of mine but i like all these people. i will say do not under estimate talk radio especially in south carolina where, you know, after new hampshire and iowa where
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it's easy to go into any acaucu, i doesn't work that way in a lot of primaries, you'll get a lot of closed primaries where talkers amp fie their audience voice. i remind people of the shy tory effect in 1992 john major won in england. nobody saw it coming because a bunch of people were too embarrassed to say they would vote for the dull and boring john major and remind the a audience the kentucky governor was supposed to lose. he won by nine. tom cotton was supposed to lose by a lot in arkansas and won by 17 in 2014. the british election, israeli, these polls, you know, cnn org polls are well done but the turnout model as john king painstakingly went through and i think for us, it's best for people like me and like you and like john and dana to just sit back and wait and see what happens and then try and figure
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out how to watch the next one. >> switzerland might be getting smaller, let me throw that out there. >> it's true. >> glen mark, mark leaven are clear going hard after donald trump. but it's not universal. rush limbaugh for instance and when some people will consider the dean of conservative talk radio, he's gone back and forth and in some cases given donald trump cover? >> rush is donald's friend and the big calhoon and maker of the feast as scrooge on christmas. he always makes the market and more than anybody else and he does like ted cruz a lot. i was listening to his show today and so maybe there is a tilt there, maybe there isn't. i don't think he's declared but laura ingraham is a big trump factor. trying hard to keep some of the other candidates up and buoyant
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and i think you'll see people like dennis and bill bennett and mike gallagher torn and of usualyoul -- of usually so. the republican party has been awakened. donald trump came out of the ocean like godzilla did in japan in the 1950s movies and took down the power structure and just completely evaporated it o? we'll wait and see. >> only you, hugh hewitt, thank you. just ahead, hillary clinton attacks bernie sanders on foreign policy and says it seems like he hasn't thought it through. later a different kind of storm ready to hit the nation's capital. washington could get two felt of snow or more. considering the problems an inch caused last night, can d.c. handle a blizzard? beyond that nearly 30 million people under blizzard watches and warnings.
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in the new cnn poll showing bernie sanders ahead and hillary clinton on the attack. on health care to foreign policy. jeff zeleny has been following clinton's campaign saw it all firsthand and joins us now from des moines. jeff, exactly what did secretary clinton say today? >> john, usually it's trump, trump, trump. today that was not the case. it was sanders, sanders, sanders. i was truck sitting in the audience how intently she was going after senator sanders. we got a bit of a hint that was coming from the telteleprompter. her campaign was filming this speech as a potential ad for next week. she went after senator sanders on health care to big liberal ideas but zeroed in on foreign policy, listen to what he said. >> senator sanders doesn't talk very much about foreign policy, but when he does, it raises concerns because sometimes it
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can sound like he hasn't really thought it through. for example, he suggested we invite iranian troops into syria. that is like asking the arsonist to be the firefighter. >> so special essentially sayin not fit to be commander in chief. what they are trying to do stop his growth anymore. of usually, she realizes that his supporters are true believers here but john, there was very strong language to a crowd of fellow democrats. >> you know, clinton is trying to show her tougher side. bernie sanders is trying to, what, show his musical side. he has a new ad. >> it was an optimistic ad that will start running tomorrow here in iowa and new hampshire. 60-second ad set to the 1968 anthem america. it's very optimistic. it looks like hope exchange. sort of reminds me of an obama-type ad. senator sanders had his fair
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share of shots against secretary clinton in terms of her speaking fees and other things but he is closing this campaign at least right now on an optimistic tone trying to make true believers believe again. he all but ignored her today campaigning in new hampshire. i don't expect that to continue. things are so close. she's leading in the cnn poll but both campaigns tell me they believe are deadlocked here so this final week of campaigning is so, so important. >> yeah, i doubt they will ignore each other on monday night, either. jeff zeleny, thank you. joining me now, peter and donna brazil, vice chair of the dnc voter project and, you know, donna, look, hillary clinton not holding back when it comes to bernie sanders today, especially on the issue of readiness to serve as commander in chief. is this what hillary clinton on the ropes looks like?
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hillary clinton the fighter? >> well, first of all, i think from day one she's been willing to not only raise her voice and talk about how she will champion issues facing the middle class, she talked about kitchen table issues, the economy of course. this is not really at the end of the day just about these very important issues facing this country. you have two distinct personalities who are running for the democratic party nomination. hillary clinton who in my judgement came in first place with voters in 2008 but didn't have enough delegates to get over the threshold and bernie sanders who caucused with the democrats in the united states senate but now running as a democratic as you know, a democrat for the presidency of the united states. this is a very spirited debate. i'm just glad they are not talking about birth -- their birth certificates. they are not hitting each other in a personal way. it is going to come down to closing arguments and look, as a democrat, i'm excited that these
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two candidates are out there and along with martin o'malley and taking into voters in iowa and who knows, we might see some surprises command, february 1st. >> peter, she's doing more than talking about herself. talking about bernie sanders and readiness to serve. we've seen this before. i mean, eight years ago, didn't we see this? isn't this the 3:00 a.m. phone call? it didn't work for her then. >> right, i mean, if bernie sanders could exploit this, she is vulnerable to say wait a second, this is the same line you tried on barack obama and on the biggest foreign policy decision of this century the decision to support the iraq war, barack obama and bernie sanders were against it. the problem is that bernie sanders doesn't have the same comfort level on foreign policy that barack obama did. barack obama felt confident enough to hit back very effectively. sanders seems to avoid the issue. >> but, and iraq is not the
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biggest issue in the world as it was in 2008. it's interest national terrorism now so maybe hillary clinton will have more residence. >> she's more hawkish than the democratic base on that. it's a pattern. if he was, he could exploit that. >> i want to talk about her interview with wolf blitzer. he asked if she was the establishment, listen to how she respond responded. >> but are you establishment? >> i just don't understand what that means. he's been in congress. he's been elected to office a lot longer than i have. i was in the senate for eight wonderful years representing new york. he's been in the congress for 25. and so i'll let your viewers make their own judgement. >> she's not wrong. bernie sanders has been in congress since 1991, before that a mayor of a city. he's been a politician for a long time. but she lived in the white house for eight years. is it hard for her to make the
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case she's not part of the democratic establishment? in someways there is a generation of the establishment based on the clintons. >> absolutely. you're looking at one and guess what? i own my, you know, credentials as a member of the democratic party, the vice chair of the party i'm proud of it. i'm an activists. like hillary clinton and bernie sanders, i spent many, many of my years and they have spent -- that's why they are politicians. they have been fighters for equality and champion fior children. i'm proud of both of them. they are not running because of who they are. they are running to help to level the playing field. that's what this election is about. so if hillary doesn't feel comfortable telling wolf, you know, that she's x, y and z. so what. she's hillary clinton and she's been a fighter for the underdog all her life and so has bernie
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sanders. >> so peter, you talk to many democratic insiders that will whit per to you that yes, person kn bernie sanders may win but at the end of the day, they think hillary clinton will win the come nati nomination. does this leave a mark? is there lasting harm to her brand? if bernie sander as democratic socialist can beat her in key states z that make her a weaker candidate? >> primary candidates hurt primaries when the general can pick up on. bernie sanders isn't doing that. he maybe moved her to the left a little bit, maybe on domestic policy and maybe republicans will try to exploit that and maybe gone further on guns to exploit that against him but in general, he's not really going after her in the kind of way that i think will hurt her in the general. >> peter and donna, thank you so much. again, a quick reminder, the
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democrats will get together monday night for a cnn town hall in des moines and face the voters and their questions, chris cuomo moderates. should be fascinating. gets underway at 9:00 p.m. a lot more ahead including the latest on the blizzard. new information coming and we'll check in with chad myers and why the washington area has skidded to a halt in the face of the storm. how a thin coating of snow and ice overnight did so much damage to the roads [expletive expecta the storm response may not be up to the challenge.
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late developments in the breaking weather news. airlines cancelled more than 3,000 flights tomorrow and saturday. 3,000. here is another staggering number. 75 million people tonight from the mississippi to maine are facing what could be record-breaking winter storm conditions. chad myers bringing together the very latest computer models of who may get hit and how hard. he joins us momentarily. first, rene marsh with washington's damaging sneak
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preview overnight. >> reporter: when cars could move, tires spun on black ice. but for hours last night, this is what much of the d.c. area looked like, a parking lot. >> i'm on my way to work. it usually takes me 20 to 25 minutes. i've been on the road close to five hours now. >> reporter: some gave up and decided to walk, making the situation go from bad to worse as abandoned vehicles blocked oncoming traffic. emergency personnel also brought to a standstill a fire truck and two ambulances here in fairfax county stuck for hours. virginia state police responded to 767 accidents. in maryland, at least one person died, a pedestrian hit by a snowplow in a d.c. suburb. even the president couldn't breakthrough the gridlock.
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his moder cade at points completely stopped in traffic, slipped and hit curbs on the usually short ride from andrews air force base back to the white house. how is all of this possible from one-inch of snow? >> we're very sorry for inadequate response. we believe that we did not provided a quit resources at a time where it could make a difference. >> reporter: a officials in d.c. and it's surrounding suburbs did not pretreat the roads with salt. the snow quickly turned the entire beltway into one big ice slick as daylight broke, all of those abandoned cars made the morning commute as painful as last night's. at regan national airport, many changed their flights to get out of town before the blizzard hit. this man opted for a last-minute get away. >> i'm going somewhere hot. i'm not going to be stuck in two feet of snow paralyzed for two or three days. >> reporter: so you made a
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last-minute trip. >> last-minute trip. >> reporter: american air rylin are cancelling flights out of d.c. and other airlines are preparing to do the same. as far as the rest of the city, officials are urging people to stay off the roads, to allow crews to deal with up to 30 inches of snow, residents in our nation's capital fearing if one inch of snow can do all this, what will 30 inches do? well the mayor of d.c. was on cnn earlier today and she said while the snow did catch them off guard yesterday, they will be well prepared for tomorrow. they plan on being out in full force. 6:00 a.m. just in case the snow comes early and they say that they will be pretreating the roads this time around. back to you, john. >> probably a good idea. thanks so much. chad myers with me in new york tonight. chad, that was an inch of snow and ice that did that to d.c. last night. that is nothing compared to what
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they are facing now. >> correct. but there will be nowhere near the number of cars on the road when this hits, right? they weren't prepared for it because they were looking at the big football, which is this. they weren't looking at the one inch last night. they took their eye off the ball and dropped the ball like running backs do when they try to do a screen pass. here is d.c., 15 inches. here is last year. here is what may come down in the next 48 hours, john. significant snow and this is and could be of course historic. there you go. 28 inches. the greatest d.c. picked up in one storm, not one day but one storm because this is a multi-day storm and it's coming to new york city, as well. >> history being made in d.c. potentially. you mentioned new york city. where is this going to hit? how broad are we talking about and what is going to happen here? asking for a friend. >> asking for me, too, because i'm up here. d.c., charlottesville,
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baltimore, those are for sure going to pick up a foot of snow probably two feet of snow, maybe more west -- >> that's a lot. for baltimore -- >> a tremendous amount of snow and heavy snow, too. east of there, there will be sleet but just as hard to move. i-95 that is two feet of snow. right there up and down i-95. new york city, i'm not sure because i have another model that's painting somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 inches of snow right there. that is not the forecast but it's possible. all i can guarantee you is that someone is going to get surprised by this storm and maybe richmond, virginia, if they don't get much maybe 20 inches. it could be new york city. right now six to ten and could be more. >> the line there is the dir difference between millions and
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in flint. last week headman admitted her department knew back in april the residents were at risk for lead poisoning and knew about the risk but did not alert the public. for 18 months, state officials ignored complaints about the nasty looking and foul-smelling water and belittled a local doctors' concerns. this man-made disaster started when the manager piappointed fr the state switched to the flint river to save money. dr. sanjay gupta shows us the consequences. >> look right at me. look right at me. >> reporter: when her son gavin started to become ill, it wfwas subtle, so subtle she wouldn't have been blamed for missing it. >> look at me. how many fingers? >> one. >> look up. look down. do your fingers feel numb. one day she looked at gavin and his twin brother side by side.
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the differences staggering. >> the size he is right now is pretty much the size he was last february, february 5th, of 2015. >> so almost a year ago. >> yes. >> how much does he weigh versus his twin? >> he's 35.8 and his twin is 5 many. >> gavin was showing effects of being poisoned by lead and such is the nature of lead poisoning, it can affect people very differently, even twins. do you remember the number? >> 6.5. >> what is normal? >> nothing. there is no safe exposure to lead. >> it's a mantra repeated by doctors all over the world, no lead, not even a little bit is acceptable because we know more than ever what it does to the body. when lead is ingested or inhaled, no organ in the body is spared. lead even attacks the d.n.a. affecting not just you, but your future children. all of it essentially irreversible, equally
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frustrating, the symptoms could show up now or years from now. >> wait, watch and see. how do you live your life like that? >> upsetting. >> he's 4. >> the lead was coming from the corroded pipes carrying water. the longer the water was in the pipes, the more hazardous it became. one of the problems is the walter's house is one of the fourth's away from the treatment facility and explains why testing here was among the highest, 13,000 parts per billion. to give you context, five parts per bill is concerning and 5,000 is toxic waste, this home, 13,000 parts per billion but of course, not just one home. it's an entire community here in flint. 100,000 people live here. 10%, 10,000 are under the age of 6. they are most at risk. >> when pediatricians hear anything about lead, we
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absolutely freak out. >> reporter: it wasn't a freak out at first but doctors in flint started hearing whispers about elevated lead levels in the water in 2014 so this doctor started looking at lead levels in her young patients and what she found was shocking. >> the percentage of children with lead poisoning doubled and in some neighborhoods it tripled. >> reporter: she sounded the alarm as loudly as she could but no one listened. >> instead. we were attacked and i was called an unfortunate researcher and causing near hysteria and the state numbers were not consistent with our findings. >> reporter: maybe denial was easy because of this, flint, a city surrounded by some of the largest fresh water lakes in the world was now delivering some of the world's most contaminated water to citizens. october of 2014, general motors you say stopped using the water because it was corroding their parts. >> right. >> reporter: that seems like an
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obvious clue. >> red plays, loud alarms, if it's corroding engine parts, what is it doing to our plumbing that is predominantly lead-based? >> reporter: water that could corrode engine parts, just imagine what it was doing to the body and brain of gavin walters. >> these kids did nothing wrong. they did nothing wrong except being poor. >> in may, professor mark edwards from virginia tech sounded an alarm about lead in flint's water. >> governor says look, you can having anything you want, anything? >> i want a rewind button to april of 2014. that's what i want. because you can't undo this. you cannot undo this. >> reporter: is there has ever been a u.s. city in need of a rewind button it's flint, michigan. life expectancy is ten to 20 years shorter than the rest of the state.
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there is not a full scale grocery store anywhere in sight. >> then we got lead like if you were to think of something to put in a population to keep them down for this generation and generations to come it would be lead. it's just a loss of words. >> reporter: but they, dr. mona leea leeann, the hundreds of thousands of citizens have toe believe clean water will return, one day soon. do you know why people have been putting you on tv lately? >> yeah. >> reporter: why? >> because they wanted to put this on tv so they can see us. >> because you're hand some. >> yeah. >> sanjay gupta is with us. thank you for explaining this so clearly. the water was changed back to detroit in october, right? so why is there still concern? >> reporter: this is a really important point, john. during the time that they were using the water from the flint river, it was so corrosive, there weren't any anti corrosive agents in the water so so
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corrosive it essentially damaged the pipes. many pipes are leeching lead. if you put new water in there, water coming from lake huron or detroit, it still has this leeching of lead process going on, so you got the better water in there, the pipes are now the problem and that's why you hear this number of a billion dollars needed to replace the pipes, infrastructure. >> got to put in new pipes. there is no way to reverse the effects of lead poisoning, right? there are doctors trying to treat it but you can't actually turn back the dang that's done. >> reporter: no, that's the unfortunate part this is a heavy metal that once it gets in the body, it binds very, very strongly. it binds to things and it doesn't let go. so that's the real challenge here and you don't know if the symptoms will appear now or years down the road, john. >> this could last a long, long time. a man-made crisis. dr. sanjay gupta, thank you so much. we'll be right back. soup and sandwich and somewhere to go,
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