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newsroom l.a. starts right now. we begin with the escalateding war between the u.s. presidential candidate donald trump and fox news. for military veterans instead of taking part in thursday's debate. >> meanwhile trump went on twitter wednesday to continue his battering of megyn kelly saying i refuse to call megyn kelly a bim bo. instead i will call her a light weight reporter. it was a challenging written and pr statement by fox that made me not do the debate, more so than megyn kelly. >> still mr. trump did an interview and this was his 133rd appearance on the fox news

channel. would you say that right now donald trump is a person who can let petty things and that's what i think this is all about, petty things, influence him to the extend that he doesn't do what maybe he should do? >> well, let me put it a little differently. i don't like being taken advantage of. in this case i was taken advantage of by fox. now when i'm representing the country, if i win, if i'm representing the kroept as president, i won't let our country, because it's a personality trait. >> not showing up will cost him support. >> one of the candidates has chose ennn not to attend. apparently mr. trump considers

megyn kelly very, very scarey. and you know donald is a fragile soul. she might ask a mean question and who knows what could happen. i mean his hair could stand on end. i've got to say, it is an amazing statement for a presidential candidate to say i'm not willing to show up for the debate. >> well, early this week cruz challenged trump to a one-on-one debate. on wednesday trump's campaign manager said it could happen if it becomes a two man race. bush suggests trump is acting like a child. >> i think it's a little weird. i don't see the benefit of him not debating. he seems to be worried about unfair questions when if in fact

he just dom nats the press. it's a strange thing for him to suggest. if that's hard, he's in the same position as barack obama. he doesn't do interviews with fox. that seems kind of weird. the fact that he thinks he's being treated unfairly when he's going to be president of the united states, life's unfair. you have to make tough decisions. you have to challenge things. you have to do deal with foreign leaders. you can't take your toys and go home. >> you can't take your toys and go home. i want to bring in political commentator. let me ask you this, this decision by mr. trump to bo cot thursday's debate, is this a smart move or miss calculation. >> i feel bad for jeb bush, he doesn't seem like he's having any fun and he feels like he's come down with a cold. so for tomorrow night's debate,

i worry about jeb bush. we really hope he gets his energy level up, but as far as trump. >> this is the question. >> stick to the question. i think it's a political master stroke and history will prove this because ronald reagan was running in his primary battle and he skipped the iowa debate. the next week because i was going to talk about what happened the following week because it's a story about control. so he had control. ronald reagan presented the picture of control. he dictated the terms of the debate. he paid for the debate and when he went up against the national paper and he said i paid for this microphone. because of that moment, the race changed. and then why he skipped iowa and took control in new hampshire, he was in control because they were looking to elect the

anti-carter. and so we're looking for the anti-obama and so when trump presents this type of control we like this. >> this is theater. this is as you say about control? >> all politics is part theater, right? that's been true since george washington, but i think it was the fox news announcement that really -- they tried to do it in an insulting fashion and what i like about cnn and i have to say this is that you behave like a professional news organization. you report the news. fox news thinks they are the news. and that's not the place of a news organization to taunt a candidate. that's not appropriate. >> in terms of the politics, i don't think anybody knows how this is going to play out. if trump wins by a land slide he's a genius, if loses everyone will say that's what happened.

>> we look back and hindsight is 20/20. if trump wins i'll say it was brilliant and if he loses we'll talk by why he's going to lose new hampshire. >> does trump have a problem with women? he he's called out female reporters. there is a long list. he's very good at seeing off the guys, jeb bush, rand paul, ben carson, he's been tough, but when it comes to the women there seems to be an issue. >> with all respect, i think you answered your own question that he goes after women, but he goes after men. jeb bush was labeled low energy. no donald trump is an equal

opportunity offender. i think he is talking the truth. i don't think he has a problem with women. there were many women in leadership positions and the idea you can run a multi billion dollar company. one thing is that donald trump is going to be running most likely against hillary clinton and we're going to have to bring up the fact that hillary clinton, we're not going to be talking so much about bill clinton and this guy has serious issues with women, but it's more about hillary clinton and how she helped bill destroy women trying to tell the truth. if hillary clinton is going do be a champion for women's rights, why did they try to destroy these women. >> that becomes a line of attack with hillary clinton, but to come back to donald trump and this issue about him being equal opportunity offender if you will, he has gone after megyn kelly if a sustained

symptomatsystem that could happen again. there is something particularly acute about the way he's gone after megyn kelly. why is that? he seems to have a problem with megyn kelly, a women who asked him what many believe to be a fair question. >> i think he has a problem with megyn kelly the journalist. he goes on cnn all the time. so the idea that he has an issue with anybody because of their gender or race is not accurate. if we look at the facts, the august 6th debate, the opening question was megyn kelly just going after trump. >> was she? did you really think so? >> i think she was. >> i'm with you. i think it was a tough question. >> think about this, it was a

brutally tough question to say what's your problem with women and if he hadn't thought of the rossy o'donnell question and i hate to be the one to bring this to the front, but the individual at fox news, his daughter she's the head of communications for marco rubio. so there are things like this we want them to be disclosed and i think he's doing this. >> this whole thing i was listening to rush limbaugh today, he said that fox news is no longer considered to be as conservative as it once was. it's no longer considered a conservative media. >> i think that's accurate. i think they're leaning more towards talk radio to hear the truth. i think fox news was an upstart

so there's a sympathy for the underdog so fox news was the upstart against that, but now we're 20 years in and the way that fox news has been behaving isn't an upstart. they're acting like they can treat anybody like they want to. conservatives don't like that. being a conservative myself being one, it is it in a way anti-establishment. it's small government, limited government and fox news is losing sight of that. >> let manage ask you about the people of iowa. how would they not feel disrespected by the fact that donald trump has refused to take part in a final debate. >> i will say there have been six of these debates before and the people of iowa are going to get a choice and a choice tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. they can tune in without donald trump and they can tune in to

cnn where they can see donald trump talk about the issues and celebrate the veterans and the people will decide. we'll see what happens. >> thank you. >> my pleasure. a little advice from one billionaire to another rupert murdoch says michael bloomberg should run for president. >> murdoch also says he thinks bloomberg hurts hillary clinton more than donald trump. he is considering an independent bid for the white house. on the democratic side bernie sanders seems to be gaining momentum in iowa just days before the caucus. he has a slim lead over hillary clinton in the latest university polls. he has 49% to clinton's 45%. this is within the poll's margin of error. >> sanders is still trailing 55

to 36, but clinton's lead is slinging. >> he's not seeking the current's president's endorsement. sanders called it productive and constructive. he says it will tough to match barack obama's momentum. >> i think what the iowa campaign ends up being about is a one word and that is turnout. we're feeling really good about where we are and if there is a large voter turn out. i'm not saying we could do what barack obama did in 2008. i wish with he could, but i don't think we can, but if there is a large turnout i think we win, if not i think we're going to be struggling. >> he says he will not take part of a newly proposed debate. the contest is not sanctioned by

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welcome back. a virus linked to terrible birth defects is spreading. >> they say the woman in began exhibiting systems. instead she had recently traveled to counties dealing with an outbreak the virus. in the u.s. officials are warning women traveling to those areas. there is no vaccine or medicine to treat the condition. >> this is the blood sucker everyone's after, the mosquito.

she's the main carrier of several dangerous viruses that spread around the world. zika is actively spreading in many spots such as mexico and bra zil. seeka has become of particular concern to pregnant women because bra zil is now ling linked to baby's born with the head and brain don't develop. health fifshls say nearly 4,200 babies have been born with this condition since october. that's compared to 146 in all of 2014. 51 of those babies have died. women living in these areas are now being told not to get pregnant at this time. and in the united states, the cdc is also sounding the alarm.

>> pregnant women should consider deferring travel to areas where the zika virus is currently circulating. >> if you travel to these destinations while pregnant, get tested because 80% of those infected have no symptoms. babies should be screened after birth. >> it's important for them to go in because we really don't know right now whether having symptoms or not having symptoms with zika virus infection has any impact on the possibility that there will be a birth defect in the child. >> one baby was born with symptoms in hawaii. also states are reporting confirmed cases of zika, but officials stress they did not get the virus here. all had recent lee traveled to countries where zika is circulating. but if and when it is

transmitted, the virus is usually mild and not a danger to future births. >> they will resolve the infection and have immunity. should they plan to get pregnant in a few years, there is no absolutely no cause for concern. >> cnn. dr. robert folly joins us now. he is the director of disease prevention. thank you so much for joining us. as we look at the news coming out of the america's it seems as if there are a let of cases of this virus. how fast is this thing spreading? >> i think we have to realize where it came from. it was first discovered in 1947. it really was not moving much out of africa and some bands of asia until basically 2007 it started moving across the

pacific island first, but the really big strike has now been in south america and briz il. in may of 2015 they've had over a million cases and a lot of children born with a small head. >> what is driving it though? did it decide to mig rate and explode? >> it's people traveling because basically this will be a situation where you contract it because someone is infected. they're bitten. >> people were traveling before 2007. so what happened in that year? >> someone got it and now it's -- it worked its way across, but now you have a large number of people infected in brazi brazile. >> explain to us why it's so difficult to control this mosqui mosquito. >> that's a good point.

it's particularly hardy in the sense that it takes only a bottle cap full of water to be able to reproduce and its eggs can survive drying for over a year. so twarts some of the efforts being done. make sure you don't have standing water or places where mosquitos can breed. >> there there's the warning that this has the potential to be a pan demmic. >> it means that it's gone around the world and i think that again. >> explosive pan emic sounds scarey. i think that you have to realize in the united states for kpefrp we have much stronger control programs that can suppress mosquito populations. i think we will have a hard time

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small head. >> dr. bob, thank you for coming in. the leader ammon bundy has asked the remaining protesters go home. >> his group has been protesting u.s. federal land policies which they claim are illegal. dan simon has more. >> reporter: more than three weeks after a malitia took over a refuge in oregon a deadly shot out. >> yesterday, the fbi with our partners took the first steps to bring this occupation to a conclusion. >> group leader and seven others were arrested tuesday night after the fbi and oregon state police pulled them over on a way to a meeting. bundy's brother was shot. a spokesman was killed.

>> it's time for everybody in this illegal occupation to move on. there doesn't have to be blood shed in our community. >> bundy's father said his son called him in the back of a police cruiser moments after the shot out. >> my son had been shot in the arm. fin i kun, they killed him. he was out and had his hands in the air. he wasn't armed. he wasn't any threat. they killed him. >> authorities say bundy and finicum did not obey orders to vournder. they took over to protest the sentencing of two ranchers and to make a stand with what they call government overreach. >> they pushed us to the point where we felt we had to make a stand to defend our rights. >> he told reporteders he was willing to give his life for the cause. >> there are things more

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welcome back everybody. you're watching cnn newsroom live. the headlines this hour. republican presidential candidate donald trump is continuing his battle with fox news over thursday's debate. on twitter wednesday he said he refused to call megyn kelly a bimbo. he has planned a funds raiser at the same time as the debate he's skipping. >> airlines are offering refunds to passengers traveling to countries are zika is prevalent. it's connected with a disorder

that results in birth defects. protest leader is urging his followers to go home. bundy and seven others were arrested in a traffic stop tuesday. another protester was killed after he tried to speed away. the union says greece has neglected its obligation when dealing with migrants and greece must step up boarders controls. some states are suggesting greece should be suspended from europe's passport free zone. more now on our top story. donald trump isn't backing down from his fox news debate boycott. he spoke with bill on riley. he tried to get him to reconsider. >> you went to church last week. you don't usually go and you

went to church in iowa. >> i do go. i go a lot. i'm not every sunday, but i go a lot. >> so in your christian faith, there is a very significant tenant and that's forgiveness. i think you should forgive not only journalists who come at you in ways you don't like, but i think you should be the bigger man and say i didn't like it and you should make that case all day long but i'm not going to take any action against it. don't you think that's the right thing do? >> it probably is, but it's called an eye for an eye i guess also you can look alt it that way. >> that's old testament. no, no, no. if you're the christian the eye for an eye rule goes out. turn the other cheek. >> you're taking this much more seriously than i am. i'm going to have a wonderful time tomorrow night.

>> trump plans to hold an event to raise money for veterans while his rivals take part in the debate. he is facing criticism from rand paul. >> i think donald trump's main addition that he's brought to the debate this year has been sill iness and calling people names and so i don't think he's add had much of substance the whole year so i don't think he'll be missed. in fact i don't donald trump's a conservative. i think he's a fake and really what he presents is not conservative at all. he says give me power, but i don't think he understands that most of us who are conservatives want to limit how much power is in washington and we want a smaller government. from what i hear from donald, he wants the power. he doesn't necessarily want to lessen the amount of power in washingt washington.

>> his rivals are lining up to take swipes, including marco rubio. >> i know all the press is here 90% of the coverage can on this thing drurch onald trump is not to show up. interesting side show. greatest show on earth. this is not a show. this is serious. we cannot lose this election. we have to turn this country around now. we cannot wait another four years. >> now in the eyes of trump's supporters it seems he cannot do wrong. they're pledging their allegiance. >> why do so many see trump as the best choice for president. we're on the campaign trail with some answers. >> i voted for barack obama four years ago. biggest mistake of my life. so now it's donald trump or nobody. >> in an extraordinary election

year, donald trump is drawing them by the thousands. >> i want to show the tremendous crowds that we get. it's not really a silent majority, it's a noisy as held majority. >> frustrated voters, mostly white, unhappy with the leads from both parties and the media and fearful of immigrants taking their place. they're longing for an america that used to be. >> we are going to make america great again. i love you. >> their distrust of president obama runs deep. some question whether he's a christian, others whether he was born in the u.s. >> i just think he is pro black. i don't know. i hate to say he's a racist, but i believe he is. >> some sense racial tension in america, but believe it's white americans facing discrimination. >> white americans founded this country, but we are being pushed

aside because of the present administration and the media. >> they feel left out of the economic recovery and worry about immigrants taking their jobs an getting ahead at american's expense. >> we do have an immigration problem in this country. you have people that come here and work under the table. >> reporter: in the wake of terror attacks in paris and san bernardino, they're nervous. >> 99.9 could be good. >> trump's rhetoric into ekz to that anxiety labeling undocumented imgrapts as dangerous criminals. >> they're bringing drugs, crime and they're rapist. >> reporter: even suggesting america ban muslims. >> calling for a to the al and committee shut down of muslims entering the united states. >> he's taken what was once

impolite conversation and made it acceptable to some, but his crowds are sometimes violent. trump's words have garnered a following, but there are millions who don't dpragree wit him. they have their own fears. >> being muslim today is not easy. they do to muslim today what they did to jewish in 1938. >> moving on now peace talks to end the syrian war will begin on friday, but it's not entirely clear who will be at the negotiating table. >> the syrian kurdish group was not invited. we gained exclusive access and has more on how the kurds are reacting to potentially being excluded. >> reporter: there are scenes of utter devastation like this across northern syria where the syrian democratic forces made up largely of kurdish fighters have

been battling against isis, thousands of them have been killed in the process, but a lo the of territory has been taken back and it's precisely because of the blood that has been spilled and the ground that has been retain from isis that the kurds feel so angry that they don't have a seat at the negotiating table in geneva. they see these talks as interests over the future of syria. they say only the regime and the sunni groups are represented at the talks and that miernts like the kurds and the christians have essentially been ignored. one commander told us he feels disappointed with the u.s., a key alley of the kurds in the battle against isis for not trying to support kurds in this political process. and he warned that the absence of the kurds at the negotiating table in geneva could threaten

the entire military effort with the coalition to defeat isis. cnn, syria. turning now to europe's refugee and migrant crisis, it is criticizing how greece has handle in had the situation. some states are suggesting greece dcould be kicked out of the european passport free travel zone. >> they say they've done the best to deal with the migrants. >> after the report concludes that greece seriously neglected its obligation and there are serious definitesies in boarder control that must be overcome and dealt with by the greek authorities. since november, greece has started to work towards complying with the rules, but

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welcome back. recent satellite imagery of a site in north korea has renewed concerns about a possible rocket test. >> it shows rocket related equipment and fuel in the station. we have the latest information

on this. is there a time frame on when this launch might in fact happen? >> reporter: well, it's not clear at this point. this is obviously what intelligence agencies around the world are trying to figure out at this point. what we know is that they have seen this movement at the site, the launching station, which is where we've seen launches in the past. we can look at a previous press dense to see what kind of time frame we had back in december 2012 is the last time they carried out a successful launch. they said it was a satellite launch to launch a satellite in space and that launch warned about a couple of weeks before it hand and two weeks before that we had some indications as well from other satellite ima imagery, other groups said they thought something was going on. so potentially we could be

looking at weeks here, but it's difficult to know for sure because the station itself, much of what goes on goes on underground. the parts are assembled underground and it's at the lost minute that we find out about it. they have warned about these launches in the past and they have to under international law they have to give a no navigation alert so boats and planes in the area know what's going to happen. >> north korea very much mindful of adhering to international law in this instance. this is not entirely unexpected. there is a predictable pattern here by the north koreans. >> reporter: that's right. back in 2012 they did a nuclear test a matter of weeks after that rocket launch.

now this time around they did the nuclear test back on january 6th. many experts don't rule out the possibility that this launch will follow that. remember, it's a big year nor north korea. they have this special congress. it hasn't happened since 1980. it's a big deal for pyongyang. it's a big deal to show his strength and he is in power and he rules the country with an iron grip and it's good for him to say i had this successful nuclear test. he wants to go and say he has had a successful rocket launch as well. >> there's some speculation if that goes ahead. thank you. liv live this hour in seoul. coming up on cnn newsroom shares a financial report.

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about the user. again, good to have you back. thank you for being here. stunning revenue for facebook all about mobile and video, right? >> so facebook killed it. they shattered expectations. they made about 5.8 billion, up 55% from the quarter before and 80% comes from mobile now. >> that's not bad for a project that doesn't cost you anything. >> free. >> and it's worth putting this great performance in context of other technology shares. like twitter which isn't doing well. >> facebook had that hard transition when people had to use it on computer and it went mobile. they so now they're making more money. they're really killing it on all ends of the spectrum. >> we're looking ahead to the most dramatic change that facebook has seen in years,

reactions. >> let's put them up. we have love, well said and angry. this is all changing the thumbs up. i thought it was a bit awkward with the whole thumbs up. >> it replaced the like. >> grandma died i'm really sad like. i just lost my job, i like it whop. so this takes away that problem. is this like a recipe for coca-cola. >> they tested it a lot for. they're not going to do this if they don't know what they're doing. the benefit is people are going to use them more. lieng you said you can't like a grandma dying, but you can give a sad face which means so much more interaction. >> why didn't they go with a thumbs down, the dislike. >> that's too negative. s sad, it's a little more mellow.

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this is cnn newsroom. ahead this hour donald trump isn't backing down from threats to boycott the republican debate. what's the strategy and could it backfire? >> police making an arrest after a jail break in california, but the inmates are still on the loose. >> and the leader in oregon is asking the remaining protesters to go home. great to have you with us. newsroom l.a. starts right

now. well, donald trump says he has countrier programming to the thursday night presidential dbtd he is skipping. >> the republican front-runner is planning a fundraiser at the same time as the debate. he's feuding with fox news and anchor megyn kelly and he said on wednesday that the fox network is in the wrong. >> i was not treated well by fox. they came out with this ridiculous pr statement that was drawn up by a child and there was a taunt and i said how much do you take? i have zero respect for megyn kel kelly. i think she's overrated and she's a moderator. i thought her question last time was ridiculous. >> who was donald trump really offended by fox news or is he trying to avoid a debate on where there could be tough questions. just a few days ago they urged

voters to choose anyone but trump. from all cnn politicalen commenter from washington. so ryan, is this really about fox news if donald trump is so mad at fox and why did he turn up with an interview with bill on reilly or does he think iowa is in the bag? >> i honestly think he was looking for an excuse to make some news. like any good reality tv show star he knows that the plot needs to continue and the following week there needs to be a new little fight. reality tv or wrestling -- world wrestling. take your analogy. he knows that and he knows how to stay as the main exacter and i think that's first and

foremost on his mind and then as you point out he is leading in iowa by just a little bit in every front-runner has one strategy in common. they don't want to debate the people behind them. they want to run out the clock and i think that was the second strategy here and we'll see how this makes him look in the eyes of some of those undecided voters in iowa. does it make him a genius and get him in front of the cameras more and have his names on the tips of everyone's tongue or do people look at this and say this is too cute by half. he's just ducking questions and he's attacking journalists and maybe i've had enough of him. >> right at the end of that interview with bill, bill was begging trump to do the debate. it was an odd moment. >> very odd. >> of milk shakes. let's listen to some of it. >> you've bought you so many

milk shakes you owe me. i want you to consider, think about it, say look, i might come back forgive, go forward answer the questions, look out for the folks. just want you to consider it. you owe me milk shakes. i'll take them off the ledger if you consider it. >> well, even though you and i had an agreement that you wouldn't ask me that, which we did, i will therefore forget that you asked me that, but it's not the fox, it's not up to me. >> the issue of the agreement was odd, but i mean let's just look at this for what it is. does this actually mean any kind of last minute compromise for donald trump to appear at that fox news debate on thursday because it's still possible? >> he sent out a press release tonight that he's having this event in iowa and he's on the hook for a chart event that will

benefit veterans. so i don't see how he does that event and also goes to the debate. i think it sounds like he's really dug in on this. he's already planned a separate event. one little piece of intrigue here is what's going on at fox news and there's a lot of rivalry at fox and a lot of different personalities there and i think there's a group of people who are just absolutely sick of donald trump and very productive of megyn kelly and don't like what he did. i think there's another group that is a little bit more supportive of trump and i think bill is more in that camp, one of the reasons that interview was so friendly. >> he didn't put up a vigorous defense of megyn kelly. tufrp is on the mind of every republican institution so far. what's the calculation here? >> i think that is one of the

most parts of this primary. he's at war -- he is at war with every power center in the republican party. that has not been a away way to win a nomination. on the one hand it gets him in front of the press, but previously fox news was considered too powerful with republican voters to pick a fight like this, but trump is not just fighting these institutions, he's winning and he's got this sort of what i call countrier conservative establishment that backs him. it's some of the more fringy blogs and web sites and frankly his 6 million twitter followers. he's building his own infrastructure that countier to the old republican infrastructure. if he wins that's what's going to take over the party. >> he's building that in real time before our very eyes with

every tweet and speech and phone interview. it's amazing to watch. thanks for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> it really is amazing. >> we've never seen anything like this before. >> and probably won't again. there's only one donald. >> trump's rivals are reacting saying his boycott isn't helpful to the voters. >> it seems kind of weird and the fact that he thinks he's been treated unfairly when he's going to be president of the united states, life's unfair. you have to make tough decisions. you have to challenge things. you have to deal with foreign leaders that won't agree with you. you can't take your toys and go home. >> i know the press is here and the coverage is on donald trump is not going to show up and ted cruz is challenging him to a bun on one debate. interesting side show. greatest show on earth. this is no the a show. this is serious. >> apparently mr. trump

considers megyn kelly very, very scarey. and you know donald is a fragile soul. she might ask a mean question and who knows what could happen. his hair could stand on end. >> senator cruz is using this to raise money. his website is taking preorders for the hat right there and it reads make trump debate again. a play on trump's slogan make america great again. >> cruz challenged trump to a one on one debate. even though i beat him, ted cruz wants to debate me again. can we do it in canada? that is a rreference to the controversy to cruz's citizenship. >> he went after megyn kelly saying i refuse to call her a bimbo because that would not be

correct, instead i will call her a light weight reporteder. >> this isn't the first time trump and fox news had a falling out. >> senior media correspondent takes a look at their bumpy relationship. >> the hat fields and mccows. a list of the most famous feuds add donald trump and fox news. trump and fox news are old friends. both are successful conservative businessman who know how to put on a show. >> i have the most loyal people where i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters. >> but their relationship is tortured and now at a breaking point. this might unprecedented for a tv news network. >> i county know what games they're playing. >> for years he helped bll trump up and trump brought him big ratings, with some comparing

this to a monster movie. megyn kelly is caught in the controversy as they preps to moderate a trump free debate. she clashed with trurp at the first debate of the season causing trump to threaten a boycott and insult her personally. >> she dpets out and she starts asking me oul sorts of questions and you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. >> he was if urus and he said that trump doesn't seem to grasp that telling candidates what to ask isn't how it works in this country. later they struck a truce and then broke it and then got back together and maybe they'll make up this time too, bult right now feelings are raw and trump is the butt of jokes in is the first gorgeous blond that he can't wrap around his finger. >> people are now choosing sides with influential conservative

radio host rush limbaugh siding with trump. >> donald trump knows that by not showing up he's owning the entire event. some guy not even present will end up owning the entire event. >> so who needs who more, fox or trump? thursday's ratings might start to answer that key question. cnn, new york. i want to bring in political comme commentator. let me ask you this decision by mr. trump to boycott the debate, is this a good move or major miscalculation. >> i think it's a smart move. ronald reagan was running and he skipped the iowa debate. >> he did lose, but the next week because i was going to talk about what happened the following week because it's a story about control. he had control, ronald reagan

present the perception of control. he dick nated the debate. he paid for the debate when i went up against the national paper and there's the famous moment i paid for this microphone and because of that moment the race changed but then reagan was in control because the republicans were looking to elect the anti-carter. the economy was terrible, oil spiking. so we're looking for the anti-obama and so when trump presents this type of kroem, we like this. >> it's not about fox at all, this is just theater. this is about control. >> all politics is part theater historically that's been true since george washington, but i think it was the fox news announcement that really they tried to do it in an insulting fashion and what i like about cnn and i got to say this is that you behave like a professional news organization.

you're not part of the story, you report the news. fox news thinks they are the new news. you can turn this into a promo. fox news thinks they are the story and that's not the place of a news organization to taunt a candidate. >> in terms of the politics i don't think anybody knows how this is going to play out. if he loses iowa this is the moment everyone is going to say that's what happened. >> i think it's brilliant. we look back and i agree if trump wins i'll be on here a week from now saying it was bril anlt and if he loses we'll talk boo why he's going to win new hampshire. >> this is going to sound like megyn kelly's question but trump have a problem with women. he called hillary clinton's bathroom break disgusting. he said rossie on don el was a

fat pig. he's very good at seeing the guys, jeb bush he's sort of -- rand paul, he's been very tough, but when it comes to the women it seems to be there's an issue. >> with all respect i think you answered your own question that he goes after women, but he goes after men. jeb bush labelled low energy. donald trump is an equal opportunity offender. i don't think he has a problem with women. i worked at the trump organization for seven years and there were many women in leadership positions and the idea that you can run a multi billion dollar company saying i don't like woman -- >> let me ask you about the people of iowa, how would they not feel disrespected by the fact that donald trump has refused to take part in a final debate. >> i will say there have been six of these debates before and

the people of iowa are going to get a choice when they vote, but they're going to get a choice tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. they can tune into a debate or tune into cnn where they're going to see donald trump get to talk about his issues and celebrate our veterans and the people will decide. so we will see what happens. >> thanks. >> my pleasure. we'll go to the democratic side of the race. bernie sanders met with the u.s. president at the white house on wednesday. >> the 45 minute meeting was the first time they have talked extensively since sanders started his run. he said obama was even handed in his views of the candidates and chd the geet together was constructive. >> we discussed a number of issues, foreign policy issues, domestic issues, occasionally a

little bit of politics, but i enjoyed the meeting and i thought it was a positive and constructive meeting. meanwhile hillary clinton is stepping up the pressure on bernie sanders ahead of the iowa caucuses at a campaign stop she criticized his proposal for a sing will health care system. >> he has a different idea and i fear it would lead to grid lock, not action. it would throw us into a contentious national debate that would not move us forward and i don't think the people i've met in iowa can wait. >> clinton is also calling on sanders to attend an unsanctioned democrat debate next week. the sanders campaign has not committed to the vaept so far. >> it's interesting how she wanted morless, he wand more.

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welcome back. at least five people have been arrested in connection with a jail break in orange county california last week. >> officials say some gang members are suspects in the escape. >> reporter: the sheriff came out and basically said the heat is on in the vietnamese communities. a series of arrests have been made and more are expected, some of gang members, some of not. they came out and revealed a new poster of the suspect. he was the man in for attempted murder. they say they have more identifying tattoos and better pictures. they said it's believed that he

successfully fled to iran once before was the ring leader of this jail break. >> we continue to work a number of leads. we are continuing to work around the clock and we will continue to do that until we have these folks back in custody. >> the sheriff also saying they are not ruling out that they fled the country and they have not found what was used as a cutting tool in the jail break. on a personal note, the sheriff did say when asked that this jail break is every sheriff's nightmare. back to you now. thank you for that. now we're joined by cnn law enforcement contributor, a retired special agent for the fbi. the law enforcement here in california look like they're putting the squeeze on the gangs. is that the best lead right now? >> i think so. when these people get out, you have to go to the people who might know where they are and squeeze them. you have to explain that you're serious about this and one of the ways you explain that very

artic latly is to arrest them. >> but the 15 hour head start before they realized they were missing. to use your words. >> they're in the wind. >> yeah. >> if you get them within an hour or two, you can set up a perimeter and they've only been out an hour they couldn't have gone far. 15 hours, they could be on a plane. >> where do you start in terms of what else is happening? >> you're starting a long term investigation. you're no longer in the first 48 hours where things can happen really quickly. this is starting from scratch. we missed them. now we have to talk to friends and go back and check film. now we have to me tick lusly go through everything back down to the camera film from the cell block. they're going to go back and find out how thick the blade was that cut the bars and find tool

marks and send it back to the fbi lab. >> one of the problems is the sheriff said there were no surveillance cameras in the dormitory. this jail is almost 50 years old and has changed. years ago 70% of the inmates were in there for misdemeanors and now 70% are in there for felony crimes. something is going wrong in this jail right now. the last three escapes were through the roof, which would be considered a teachable moment, yeah? >> you would think so but sometimes budgets don't keep up with the real world. it's like where they don't know unless you put them in hot water right away. it gradually change nld on the sheriff. it gradually changed on the department and they're trying to play catch up and maybe they should run faster. >> it has to be back to they're still on the loose that they will commit another crime and

another violent crime which has many worried if they're still around here. >> yeah, i don't see why they wouldn't be afraid. these people have murdered and tortured. right now that is why you're seeing the reward quadruple and you're seeing people getting locked up because the sheriff is trying to show the community of friends of these escapees we're serious here. people could get hurt. >> $200,000. money talks. >> we hope. >> thank you. cnn has just learned that the fbi has arrested three more people who had been occupying a wild life refuge. they said they turned themselves in at a police checkpoint. >> they join a leader and other protesters who were arrested tuesday. all face felony charges. the group has been protesting u.s. federal land policieies whh they claim are illegal.

>> reporter: more than three weeks after our malitia took over a federal wild life refuge in oregon, a deadly shot out between members aptd the police. >> yesterday the fbi, with our partners, took the first steps to bring this occupation to a conclusion. >> group leader and seven others were arrested tuesday night after the fbi pulled them over on a way to a meeting with community residents. his brother was shot and suffered wounds, but a spokesman was killed. >> it's time for everybody in this illegal occupation to move on. there doesn't have to be blood shed in our community. >> his father says his son called him from the back of a police cruiser moments after the shoot out. >> my son had been shot in the armed and finicum they killed him. he was out and had his hands in

the air, he wasn't armed, wasn't any threat and they cold bloo d bloodedly killed lymph. >> they say they did not owe bay orders to surnd surrounder and shots were fired. they took over the refuge on january 2th to make a stand against what they call government overreach. >> they continue to ignore us and pushed us to a point where we felt we had to make a stand to defend our rights. >> finicum said he was willing to give his life for the cause. >> there are more important things than your life. >> the sheriff said he had been trying to work with them to find a peaceful solution, but in the end he couldn't. >> we don't arm um and rebell, we bork through the appropriate channels this can't happen anymore it can't happen in america. >> reporter: as things remain fragile here one note is that the federal complaint mentions that authorities had reason to

believe that the occupiers had explosive and night visionen googles. we don't know if they were able to verify the presence of explosives. >> thanks there. activists filed a federal lawsuit and an angry community wants answers. coming up what michigan's governor says about flint's poisoned water. >> it can mean a decline in a child's i.q. forever. it has multi generational impacts. it can be passed on. >> talk directly to the parents of children in flints right now. actually be exactly what i am.

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you're watching cnn newsroom. it's wednesday night and time to check the headlines. police in california have made a number of arrests wednesday in the search of three escaped inmates. two of the inmates had ties to a gang. authorities are certain the three inmates had outside help, but it's unclear if they had help on the inside. the fbi has arrested three more people who had been occupying a refuge in oregon. they turned themselves in at a police checkpoint near the refuge. they join eight other protesters arrested tuesday. they have been protesting u.s. federal land policies which they say are unfair. presidential candidate donald trump is firing new shots at megyn kelly. on wednesday he said he refused

to call her a bimbo. he is skipping thursday's debate and holding a fundraising for veterans instead in turning to a virus causing a huge amount of alarm the zika virus has explosive potential to become a widespread outbreak and they're calling on the world health organization to meet and address it. >> the virus is active in at least 24 countries. it's linked to a disorder in babies born with small heads. there's no medicine to treat an infection. a group of organizations is filing suit demanding flint, michigan do more water testing and replace all lead piechsz. about two years ago the state changed the city's water supply source. >> high levels of lead were found and then outraged a

community asking whether its complaints were ignored because the people who live there are mostly black and people. the governor spoke exclusively with poppy harlow. >> can the people of flint today drink the water? >> no. we don't want them to. that's the terrible tragedy of all this. >> you said last week over 100 children here in flint have high levels of led in their blood. how many kids is it as we sit here today? >> it's about 100 and some if you go back over the last couple of years. >> there are a 100 children as of now. >> there can be more. >> that it can mean a decline in the their i.q. forever talk to the parents of flint right now who have a child that is going to live with this. >> this is awful and again our goal is to do whatever possible to minimize the damage, to help

support them through that. this shouldn't have happened. again, this is where there was a failure in government. >> for more now on the water crisis in flint and also some of the legal implications, we're joined now by greg math is. judge, thanks for being with us. we want to get to some of the legal issues in a moment, but from your perspective here you grew up in michigan and you spent time in flint and poor communities, so you know this area. how did this go from being a problem to developing into a crisis that no one really did anything about until now? >> well, what we do know is that when they switched the water over from detroit, which accessed the lake huron, one of the best sources of water in the country, it was for economic reasons and when they switched it over they did not test it or apply the formulas that would

reduce the toxins and as a result the people have been poisoned. i think a lot of this is because any getting that we throughout the world. no one really cared as we speak there's not one shovel in the ground to try and correct the pipes or remove any of the corroded pipes that caused the problem. general motors had removed their parts because they were being corroded. they couldn't sell the parts because that's how much corrosion there is. >> that's what people were drinking. >> not good enough for general motors for their parts, but good enough for people to put in their mouth. as we talk about these kmup communities you have concerns that the people can be taken advantage by by lawyers. tell us about your efforts to prevents that from happening. >> i'm holding a forum i've

brought in some of the best lawyers in the country not to solicit cases, but to give advice and correction on how to achieve justice and so i can then vet some of the lawyers who are coming in and trying to take advantage of the situation. katrina one of the biggest disasters there was the lawyers. the lawyers came in and they converged on that city and people walked away with $5,000 having lost all of their possessions. you even had the insurance companies some insurance companies said we can't compensate you because you didn't have hurricane insurance and those who had the insurance they said we can't compensate you because it was a flood. you're going to see that and you're going to see those in the community. one of the reasons i thought of it was because i was listen together a radio ad by a lawyer

who had come before me and was disbarred for incompetence. >> judge, you say there is a lot of legal action out there right now. some of it legitimate, some maybe not so much. one action was filed by a group of religious leaders and it's being filed under the safe drinking water act, alleging this is being violated by officials. is this the with unthat could get real improvement here very quickly? >> yes, i think that's a credible group. all of those are committed activists. ac luch aclu is a part of that. i think they will get some justice there. one of the other things i think we need is someone to pursue more testing. there's been a very minimal amount of testing among young

people and adults. what we do know is that if you don't test them in a timely manner the lead may not show up years later, however the effects will. >> judge, you talked just now about the pursuit of justice. what does justice look like for the people of flint? >> justice look like one the pure water, pure and clear water, justice looks like getting health care for those who have been and will be affected in the future that being educational support for those who might suffer from a developmental challenges as a result of this, support for those who may continue to endure rashes. educational support for those who wants to be prepared for higher education. we know that education is the way out of poverty and if you have a city that's over 40% in

provt and now the children are going to have educational challenges, you're really increasing the poverty and entrenching the poverty. >> you're condemning them. >> absolutely. >> 9,000 children have been drinking this water. so there are a lot of problems ahead. judge, always a pleasure. thank you so much for coming. >> thanks for covering this issue. a break here. when we come back for years australia has been sending migrants in camps to islandings to be processed. in a cnn exclusive you'll hear from one child who said those are like prisons. othis highly sought-after device "nafrom progressiveool. can be yours for...

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welcome back. much like europe, australia has always been dealing with an influke of migrants trying to sper the country illegally.

>> agents intercept boats of mig ants antd then assumum seekers are send to islands for processing. he spoke to the children in one of those karnz and filed this exclusive report are. >> reporter: children searched with metal defectors just one of the security measures imposed on children held for months and years by the australian government at one of their detention centers. how old were up when you first go the to the dedetention sneer? >> ten. >> reporter: persecuted muslim minority whose family tried years ago to reach australia by boat. they were intercepted by authorities who brought them to what she calls a prison.

>> it's all around the camp. >> reporter: is that a good place for children? >> it's the worst place i have ever seen for children. >> reporter: as of last december there were at least 68 children being held at this facility on an island with just 21 square kilometers of territory. the government established this condition skeshl center in response to the migrants who embarked on boats in a dangerous effort to reach australian shores. instead of keeping them in australia, the authorities shipped hundreds of migrants to this camp, an isolated under dropped nation. australian's immigration minister declined a request for an interview, but a government

spokesman said stopping the boat has enabled this government to return integrity to the refugee program and that australia and its partners comply with all international obligations and treaties. >> reporter: we wanted to go and check out the camp ourselves. first the government requires a $5,800 visa application fee per person and it says it does not want foreign journalists on this island. second the government forbids journ liss from interviewing detain es at the karpz so we've interviewed residents remotely about what it's like for children. >> i'm one of the few people have been able to go into the camp and walk around and talk to families inside and no journalists are allowed in. there is little information let out of the camp and staff who

work at the center are essentially gagged. >> this woman is an australian lawmaker who has lobbied to shut the camp down. >> there's absolutely no way the australian government can justify keeping particularly families, women and children, in those camps. >> reporter: children in the camp suffer from extreme levels of emotional and psychological distress. they also documented cases of sexual sexual assault, saying the children should be removed. australia says it's listening to the recommendations. in recent months australian and authorities have taken steps to open the camp up. among the lucky few to be resettled in containers outside the camp last month, this 12-year-old girl. she helped start a facebook campaign to draw attention to the plight of ref gu children

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hello everyone. barack obama is weighing in on the kent versesy krournding the oscars. >> many of the nominees are all white. a reporter with los angeles television station asked him about that controversy. >> i think that california is an example of the incredible diversity of this country. that's a strength. i think that when everybody's story is told, then that makes for better art, it makes for better entertainment. it makes everybody feel part of one american family. as a whole the industry should look for talent and provide an

opportunity to everybody. i think it's a broader issue of are we making sure everybody is getting a fair shot. >> president weighing in. >> yeah. a fair point. >> absolutely. well said. now donald trump, let's talk about that man who is dominating the news he's made it clear he's not going to the debate. >> they better be prepared for some criticism. it's the plight of the no show. >> he's a chaos candidate. >> reporter: donald ducks debate. >> refusing to debate. >> reporter: no shows get no respect since trump opted out one commenter suggested fox news set up an empty podium with a potato wearing a blond tu pay. the empty podium is the usual way to embarrass the no show.

>> terrified now representing george zimmerman has left that chair empty. >> a gutless twerp. >> reporter: so will fox drag out an extra podium and leave it center stage to shame donald? no, fox news has confirmed it will not set up an empty position so at least donald went goatest wooded. >> what do you want me to tell romney? i can't tell him to do that. he can't do that to himself. >> it's not just no shows, it's late shows too. >> we believe secretary clinton will be coming around the corner any minute. >> a few second's delay in the rest room sure put the p in podium. >> story. >> if an isn't podium isn't enough, imagine a moment of

silence. a candidate for president of argentina used 30 seconds of his time in silence to draw attention to the empty podium of the leading candidate who refused a debate and lost. but donald trump take heart, at least if you don't show up at a podium, you can't take it with you as italy's foreign prime minister did. like the donald, he kept talk g talking. cnn, new york. >> oh, dear. >> what are the chance that donald trump could still turn up on thursday night? that there'll be some kind of compromise reached in the coming hours, that everything's fine, fox gets huge ratings, donald trump continues to command the air waves and story. and this has all been a scam. >> i think he's going to turn up

because it i think it lends this line of how forgiving he is and he can work with those who slighted him. i see him turning up. >> they can have an empty chair there to sort of market there for donald trump. >> yes. they could do that. >> you're watching cnn newsroom live from los angeles. >> everyone else's, the news continues right after this. ♪ ♪

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tonight, punished for being a refugee. an exclusive report on the children detained on an island off australia. around the world every day the most vulnerable and the innocent are turned away, locked up, dying in a crisis that demands an answer. where is the world's conscience?

good evening, everyone, and welcome to the program. i'm christiane amanpour in london. suffer the little children and forbid them not to come unto me. so it says in the bible. today, though, europe and the united states are forbidding them to come and causing deep suffering to the children. a special task force on children on the move accuses european countries and institutions of failing refugee children, who risk death, illness, trafficking, separation from their parents, extortion by smugglers, exploitation, and abuse. we still cannot forget the sight of aylan kurdi's small body washed up on the turkish shore, and sadly, there are many, many more. these disturbing images show the tragic truth, which is that about 30% of all migrants who die crossing to europe are children, according to this same report. just last week another 17 children drowned off the coast

of greece, and aid workers say some young ones arrive so cold and so wet that they quickly die from hypothermia. this and the anti-rhetoric from here to the united states raises a serious question. have we finally lost our humanitarian heads and our hearts? we'll explore that in a moment. but first, let's look at the harsh reality for asylum seekers headed for australia. even children along with their families are sent to pacific island detention centers which they liken to prison. our ivan watson has this exclusive report about nauru island in the pacific ocean. >> reporter: children searched with metal detectors. just one of the security measures imposed on scores of refugee and migrant children who are held for months and even years by the australian government and one of their refugee detention centers on the pacific island of nauru. how old were you when you first

got to the detention center? >> i was 10. >> and now? >> 12. >> and now you're 12. >> reporter: misba ahmed is a member of myanmar's increasingly persecuted minority whose family tried years ago to reach australia by boat. they were intercepted by australian authorities, who brought them to what she calls a prison. >> the fence is all around the camp. >> reporter: is nauru a good place for children? >> nauru is the worst place i have ever seen for children. >> reporter: as of last december there were at least 68 children out of a total of 537 detainees being held at this facility on an island with just 21 square kilometers of territory. the australian government established this controversial detention center as a response to the tens of thousands of refugees and migrants who embarked on smugglers' boats on

a dangerous effort to reach australia's shores. instead of keeping them in australia, the authorities shipped hundreds of migrants and refugees to this camp in nauru, an isolated, economically underdeveloped pacific island nation. australia's immigration minister declined cnn's request for an interview, but in a statement to cnn a government spokesman said stopping the boats has enabled this government to return integrity to australia's humanitarian and refugee program and that australia and its partners comply with all international obligations and treaties. we wanted to go to nauru to check out the camp ourselves, but it's not easy. first the government of nauru requires a $5,800 non-refundable journalist visa application fee per person, and it says it does not want foreign journalists on this small island. second, the australian government forbids journalists from filming or interviewing detainees at its camps.

so we've interviewed seven current and former camp residents remotely about what it's like for children to live in this detention center. >> i'm one of the few people who has ever really been able to go into the camp and walk around and talk to families inside. no journalists are allowed in. there is very little information let out of the camp. and staff who work at the center are essentially gagged. >> reporter: sarah hanson-young is an australian lawmaker who has lobbied to shut the camp down. >> there's absolutely no way the australian government can justify keeping particularly families, women and children in these camps. they can't guarantee their safety. >> reporter: children in the nauru camp suffer from extreme levels of emotional and sieblg psychological distress, australian government reports concluded. they also documented cases of sexual assault, saying the children should be removed.

australia says it's listening to the recommendations. in recent months australian and nauru authorities have taken steps to open the camp up. among the lucky few to be resettled in air-conditioned containers outside the nauru camp last month, 12-year-old mizba ahmed. she helped start a facebook campaign to draw attention to the plight of refugee children stranded in nauru. dozens of children still live in the camp's moldy tents. despite her long incarceration, mizba says her family still dreams of one day reaching the country that imprisoned her. >> we just want to go to australia and make our future bright. >> reporter: ivan watson, cnn. >> you can see more of ivan's reporting on this extraordinary situation at cnn.com. alexander betts is the director of the refugee studies center at oxford university, and he joins me now in the studio. welcome, professor betts. what do you make of that and the

900 or so sfranl aaustralian ac that petition the government to let the children go and the government is saying you don't understand reality. >> australian processing has been a human rights disaster particularly for children. there have been damning reports by the australian human rights commission. in 2013 it said it was harish and unsuitable for children and yet just last year there about 81 children living in that detention center sometimes for many years. and it's shrouded in secrecy. australia has an act called the border force act which means that any officials working for the administration that speak to journalists or anyone else about the center face prosecution and prison. >> governor chris christie of new jersey said a few weeks ago, "i don't think orphans under 5 should be admitted into the united states at this point." what happened, professor betts? what happened that has turned the world even against children? to think even children can be terrorists. what's gone wrong with this refugee situation? >> the global refugee crisis is

a crisis of child protection. around half of the world's refugees are children or youth. so if people care about children they should care about the refugees. and yet we seem to be globally in ethical freefall. we seem to have lots our morals and our moral compass and we need to understand that we face a lost generation. to take the syrian example, some 2 million syrians have been outside formal education for three, four, sometimes five years. that's the future of syria. that's a lost generation that if we don't address will be disastrous for the region and for all of us. >> you know, it is holocaust memorial day. and there were horrendous historical incidents where men, women, and children were turned back and they went back to face death in the camps. it is extraordinary. what has europe done wrong? what is it they haven't faced up to? what is it they haven't been able to get together with that even today children can be tolerated drowning off our shores? >> we seem to have forgotten our

basic liberal values, the idea we have a human rights obligation to people fleeing persecution. it's holocaust memorial day. the legacy of the second world war was a recognition that nobody should face persecution, that everybody has a right to fundamental human rights. and yet collectively we're in denial. we see from hungary's border fence to denmark's recent policies, seizing assets from refugees, potentially denying family reunification for the first three years, that policies across the world are limiting those rights and failing to recognize that people should be entitled to basic fundamental dignity. >> do you think our politicians failed to take into account'll threat from those who would misuse the refugee situation like those terrorists who came in, you know, european obviously but came in to france and killed so many people there? >> well, we see moments of turning point. moments like the tragic death of aylan kurdi last september which was an opportunity for politicians to seize the initiative, to highlight to politicians that we have an obligation. but then at moments like the terrorist attacks in paris, like the tragic events around

cologne, politicians have succumbed to the pressure from xenophobic politicians from the far right to shift the needle back toward exclusionary policy. what we need is for politicians to show leadership to come out strongly and say we need to protect refugees, fine, genuine anxieties about security, there are genuine concerns with immigration, but amongst that many vulnerable people are fleeing persecution, if we can't save the lives of children, if we can't ensure basic access to people who will otherwise drown in the mediterranean and elsewhere, who are we, where are our liberal values and where is our humanity? >> so what we're seeing, islamophobia from the united states and right at the heart and center of the presidential race and all over europe as well. but what is the answer to that? this is not going to stop. they predict something like 2.5 million refugees or migrants will come here in the next couple of years. how is europe going to physically get to grips with

this? can it? >> well, it's the elephant in the room is the question of islam. few politicians are openly prepared to say that the real hindrance to policy that's are proactive in this area is the fact there are concerns about islam. we need to address that openly, have a frank debate, and ensure we address it with our liberal values. europe is facing a crisis of liberalism. and part of the problem is polarization of politics across europe and elsewhere. we see the extreme right pandering to xenophobia. we see the extreme left pushing often for an open doors policy. and there's been a death of centrist politics. there are few politicians putting forward a sensible, clear liberal line that says islam can and should be compatible with our values as liberal states and societies and to really address that fully, directly, and start a fundamental debate that says values of protecting people from persecution, values of human rights, values of freedom of conscience and religion should be fundamental to who we are as people, as western liberal

societies. and that involves address these issues but being clear, being humane, and not shifting to the lowest common denominator in policy or rhetoric. >> professor betts, thank you very much indeed. and after a break, we speak to the mayor of schengen, which is the birthplace of this borderless union. that's next. it started with a single connection. and the network was born. it soon grew from a luxury to a necessity. so at&t built a network just for you. one that connects your businesses, devices, cars, mobile entertainment, family and homes. we grow as you grow. always evolving to work for you how and where you need it. this is your network. the network of at&t.

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welcome back to the program. shape up. that is europe's new message for greece today. but athens is furiously hitting back at brussels and its threat to expel it. not from the euro this time but from schengen itself. europe's borderless union. greece says alone it cannot stop the flow to its shores of 2,000 refugees every day. and it's not the only one. and that's why the european commission is thinking the unthinkable, suspending schengen's free movement altogether for up to two years, ending europe as we have come to know it. but already temporary border checks have been reinstituted across the continent. in six ournts from sweden to germany, austria and hungary. schengen has become essential to life and business in these 26

european countries, and nowhere more so than in the town itself. schengen in luxembourg, where the agreement in 1985 and 1990 was signed, where france, germany, and luxembourg all meet. and to discuss it is the mayor of schengen, ben holman. welcome to the program. what do you make of this threat to close schengen, to suspend schengen? is that even possible? >> i think this should not be possible and it cannot be possible because you see, the whole world -- for what different nation realized in schengen by signing the schengen agreement. and we should do everything possible to conserve the schengen area because it's a great thing that we realized there. there are more than 40,000 people each year coming to a little village just to be in the place where this famous agreement has been signed. >> what about actual business and trade and the free movement

of people for employment, et cetera? how would that affect your specific town? >> let's say for schengen it's very important because we're living so near, so close to the border. if you're traveling or hungry, 150 meters, you travel the border. and for us it's very important to have these open borders. but not only for a little small village like schengen. also i think for very big countries about the schengen area it's very important because let me tell you that the german economic board calculated that the costs about closing the borders for the german economic would be about 10 billion euros of costs. >> do you think german leaders, other european leaders, has everybody miscalculated? have they been naive about the unity of europe and trying to deal with a crisis that surely a

continent of 500 million well off people should be able to deal with? >> i think that's one of the problem. i think we reacted too slowly and we should come back to what was our strengths. that's our union. you see, what we achieved we achieved it in common, and all the world is looking to europe because we achieved it in getting nations together and solving problems. you see, and i should think that the solution to this problem is we should try the solution in common. a solidary solution. we can't leave the problem to the countries on the outstanding border of the schengen area. we must find the solution in common. that was our strength in the past. >> mayor ben homan in schengennen, thank you so much for joining us. and just to note, it was a common solution by the european

commission president to resettle equitably 160,000 refugees. remember that? well, 331 have actually been resettled. and this is the biggest refugee crisis since world war ii. today, as we said, it's holocaust memorial day. january 27th, the day soviet forces liberated auschwitz. from that darkness, though, emerged powerful beacons of light. like nicholas wyntons, whose kindertransport operations saved 669 children from the nazis. children who grew up and gave back to the societies that rescued them. when we come back, donald trump's hate speech against refugees, migrants, and muslims have been likened to the stirrings of an ugly fascism, and all over the world people are asking will he really be the next president of the united states of america? but it's not just migrants and muslims. it's women too. and it's no joke. when we come back.

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and finally tonight, imagine a world where misogyny and sexism are part of mainstream political discourse. at least in this extraordinary race for the american presidency. donald trump, who leads the republican pack, has done it again. this time blasting fox anchor megyn kelly. trump tweeted, "i refuse to call megyn kelly a bimbo because that would not be politically correct. instead, i will only call her a lightweight reporter." well, megyn kelly is neither a bimbo nor a lightweight. she's actually got a law degree and is generally accepted to be fox news's brightest and most balanced star. but trump has taken his personal verbal boxing match with her to the mat, bailing out of fox's republican debate tomorrow night unless fox bails on kelly. trump wants her ousted as

moderator after her questions got under his skin in the last fox debate. >> you've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. [ applause ] >> no, it wasn't. for the record, it was well beyond rosie o'donnell. >> yes, i'm sure. >> reporter: he then went on cnn to add insult to insult with this incomprehensible follow-up. >> she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. and you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. >> but his anti-female tirades are legion. early on he rounded on fellow republican contender carly fiorina, attacking her looks, telling "rolling stone" magazine, "look at that face. would anyone vote for that? could you imagine that, the face of our next president?" on stage later she shot back.

>> you know, it's interesting to me. mr. trump said that he heard mr. bush very clearly and what mr. bush said. i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. >> they say that when you're in a hole, a deeply misogynistic one, you should just stop digging. this apparently is not advice that trump seems to heed. so we say sexism in any form is unacceptable. especially among those who would seek the highest office of any land and who must be expected to defend and promote women's rights and gender justice. and by the way, in case you missed it, women were the only ones who turned up to work in the u.s. senate during snowmageddon on tuesday. and that's it for our program tonight. remember, you can now also listen to our podcast, see us online at amanpour.com, and follow me on facebook and twitter. thank you for watching, and good-bye from london.

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hello there and a big welcome to viewers joining us from the united states and a very warm welcome back to our viewers watching around the world. this is "cnn newsroom." i'm errol barnett. let's update you on our top stories right now. the european union says greece has "neglected its obligations when dealing with the flood of migrants arriving on its shores" and that greece must step up border patrols. some eu states are suggesting greece should be suspended